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Tuesday, January 24, 2017

Darkstream: Democrats against democracy

Tonight at 7 PM Eastern I'll be talking about the Democratic Party and why it should seriously consider changing its name.

UPDATE: The replay link is here. Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Blogger Brian S January 24, 2017 4:27 PM  

enjoying these, but I haven't able to make it to a live one.

you mentioned covering news events in a previous stream, will that be part of the stream or something else?

Blogger VD January 24, 2017 4:40 PM  

you mentioned covering news events in a previous stream, will that be part of the stream or something else?

Soon. Not yet.

Blogger tz January 24, 2017 4:40 PM  

For some reason (maybe my ad-blockers), I can't get periscope video.

But as to the "Democrats", consider CA Prop 8 - the one where Eich was driven out. It passed by a significant majority, even in CA. But no, we need a dictator in a judicial robe (who was gay but did not recuse) to overturn it.

This is also related to a comment I left on a politico "Small county in WI, the MN lefties are fearful" story.

I pointed out that the right didn't want to burn down any gay pizzeria, but they wanted to burn down Memories' pizza. That they cause people to be fired and destroy their business.

The left is violent and militant, but the "nice sheep lady" in the story wouldn't pull a gun herself, she'd have the SWAT show no mercy to people or businesses that broke the laws she would wish to impose.

This became clear during Obama's second term. The left was out to destroy the right. The response was the alt-right. The Muslims took a longer time to instigate the Crusades, but the idea is the same. People can be tolerant for a long time, but when the line is crossed and it is a matter of survival, the response will be swift and brutal.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 24, 2017 4:46 PM  

As Codevilla put it, now that the Left has destroyed any respect for rules, they're busy reminding their adversaries (us) that we'll be given no quarter, while at the same time they forget that we vastly outnumber them still.

Timing is everything.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 24, 2017 4:50 PM  

@3 tz, The left is violent and militant, but the "nice sheep lady" in the story wouldn't pull a gun herself, she'd have the SWAT show no mercy to people or businesses that broke the laws she would wish to impose.


"Let's you and him fight." Rabbitry 101.

Once the Narrative fully shifts and the agencies of the state are aligned "Right Justified," I think that strategy will backfire. I have in mind triangulating a phone from which a "swatting" call was made and sending a unit to exterminate the source.

Heads-on-pikes time.

Blogger Brian S January 24, 2017 5:02 PM  

thanks for the reply, looking forward to it

Blogger Salt January 24, 2017 5:07 PM  

"Enter the right-wing postmodern antihero. Unlike just about every other presidential candidate who ran on the Republican ticket, Trump grasps our postmodern culture intuitively, and put it to use with devastating effect.

If our opponents are going to accuse us of being evil-minded bigots, regardless of what we say or think, then what’s the point in bothering to convince them otherwise? Let’s play by their own rules of relativism and subjectivity, dismiss their baseless accusations, and hammer them mercilessly where it hurts them the most: their hypocrisy. After all, if there is no virtue greater than authenticity, and no vice worse then phoniness, then the purveyors of contrived PC outrage are distinctively vulnerable.

Protesting an accusation from the Left that you’re not a racist, sexist, etc. on its own terms is a recipe for failure. Recall what happened to Romney when he desperately tried to demonstrate otherwise with his “binders full of women.” Trump offered an alternative: rather than make a fact-based, reason-driven argument, let’s neutralize the charge by denying its very premises, and in so doing, deny the power of the accuser to render any judgment in the first place."

Right after famously referring to the “rapists” Mexico was sending into the United States when he first announced his campaign, Trump responded to shocked critics by claiming that “Latinos love Trump and I love them.” Similarly, after the emergence of the infamous “Access Hollywood” tape, Trump claimed boldly to audible snickering that “nobody has more respect for women than I do.

Did anyone really take Trump’s rebuttals seriously? Obviously not. Still, his preposterous responses demonstrated that accusations of racism and sexism had no power over him, and in our postmodern culture, that alone is all that really matters."


http://thefederalist.com/2017/01/23/donald-trump-first-president-turn-postmodernism/

Blogger The Scribe January 24, 2017 5:12 PM  

My suggestion for the Democrats new party name should be the Bourbon Party. They've forgotten nothing and learned nothing.

Blogger Worlds Edge January 24, 2017 5:18 PM  

Sorry for my fatuousness, but I'm uncertain how you watch a periscope feed. Is notification/linking done via Twitter? Gab? Here? Thanks.

Anonymous BBGKB January 24, 2017 5:22 PM  

consider CA Prop 8 - the one where Eich was driven out. It passed by a significant majority, even in CA. But no, we need a dictator in a judicial robe (who was gay but did not recuse

TRUMP could impeach both that judge and the 3 Supremes who conducted gay weddings before ruling on it. At the very least he should make hate hoaxes count as full hate crimes. Also that anchor baby La Raza judge that went after him personally.

Blogger Brian S January 24, 2017 5:23 PM  

@ Worlds Edge... there are links in previous posts you can find it through, once you find it you can see a list of them all

Anonymous Mark Auld January 24, 2017 5:29 PM  

I am still concerned for the liberal friends who are rational and good people but fail to see the beast they are siding with,but siding with they are and lines are being drawn.War is hell,but I remain locked and loaded.

Anonymous wEz January 24, 2017 5:44 PM  

Vox, really looking forward to a quality news site that is geared towards the growing alt-right and paleoconservative viewpoints without cucks and neocon spins. There is a yuge niche here to be tapped. Can't wait.

Blogger Elocutioner January 24, 2017 5:53 PM  

@tz I couldn't get the last one to play live in Chrome or Pale Moon (blank rectangle, no streaming, no live data) but it ran fine in Brave. Previously replays ran fine in Chrome.

Blogger John P January 24, 2017 6:04 PM  

How do we listen on line? Vr JP

Blogger John P January 24, 2017 6:04 PM  

How do we listen on line? Vr JP

Blogger VD January 24, 2017 6:07 PM  

Download the Periscope App on Android or iOS.

Anonymous #8601 January 24, 2017 6:23 PM  

A fruity drink would nicely complement your tight t-shirts.

Anonymous Eduardo January 24, 2017 6:29 PM  

Dude he will look so NOT-TUFF with a margarita in his hand or anything with fruits.

Naahhh I say Vox should have hold a flaming sword all the time.

Anonymous JAG January 24, 2017 6:36 PM  

Eduardo wrote:Dude he will look so NOT-TUFF with a margarita in his hand or anything with fruits.

Naahhh I say Vox should have hold a flaming sword all the time.


Copies of Al Azif and Unaussprechlichen Kulten displayed on a shelf behind him as he speaks would work well here too.

Blogger Nerb Z January 24, 2017 7:16 PM  

Vox, I really dig that you've been doing these periscopes! It's all the enjoyment of VP with all the flash and penache of a casual conversation around the campfire with the Dark Lord. The only thing really missing are the steched skins of our enemies draped upon your walls. I suppose books suffice for now.

Sadly, I will likely be unable to catch most when they go live, as I work in Japan, so I usually end up catching them after work.

I hope you're able to keep it up.

Blogger SteelPalm January 24, 2017 7:19 PM  

You proposed a good strategy worth trying out, Vox.

At first, I was slightly disappointed that we didn't spend any time mocking that insane DNC Chair event, but then I appreciated the more mature, analytical approach.

Blogger Dr Caveman January 24, 2017 7:21 PM  

There is an interesting direct democracy experiment happening in the Netherlands, where a party (GeenPeil) is running on the promise that their members can vote on each resolution in Parliament. The party will then vote according to the majority decision

Blogger JACIII January 24, 2017 7:22 PM  

FFS. VD wore that shirt just to lord his Babymetal concert tickets over the rest of us.

Where's the downvote????

Blogger Cerdic Ricing January 24, 2017 7:22 PM  

It was a great video.

I'll have to reevaluate my opinion on direct democracy now. I'm not sure what my thoughts are yet, but your point that representative democracy is worse is definitely spot on, so I'll have to think about it and consider it.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore January 24, 2017 7:26 PM  

Pros of Direct Democracy - transparent, eliminates the confusing complexity of our current legislative process (which hides corruption), will lead to simple and easy to read bills

Cons - assuming if it's done in an large territory of geographic diversity, there could be sectionalism; assuming if it's done in a area with a population of diverse values and beliefs, there could be conflict

In my opinion, direct democracy is worthwhile but only in a small geographic area with a culturally homogenous population.

Blogger SteelPalm January 24, 2017 7:27 PM  

There are HUGE problems with direct democracy. It's bad for a litany of reasons.

However, there are a litany of problems with representative democracy too, and it's getting worse thanks to mass communication, worldwide travel, and the ease of influencing electors, which obviously didn't exist in 1787.

Blogger VD January 24, 2017 7:36 PM  

There are HUGE problems with direct democracy. It's bad for a litany of reasons.

It is much, much, much better than representative democracy. This is no longer theoretical, or even reasonably debatable. There is absolutely no question which is more legitimate or better represents the will of the people.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore January 24, 2017 7:41 PM  

I'm of the opinion that the governing structure formed under the Constitution is not the best way to evaluate democracy for it gave greater power to the national (federal) government than to the States. Under the Constitution's model, state governing power was subject to that of the national government.

Under the Articles, the national government was subject to the will of the States. The Constitution changed this and from that point forward, the States eventually became instruments to express the will of whichever faction was in control of the national government.

The Bill of Rights and the Constitution's general body are two documents at war. The Constitution's general body is a document weighted against the Bill of Rights. The result of this configuration was inevitable, a national government that overwhelmed the state legislatures by consolidating them.

In my opinion, the governing structure formed by the Articles was correct for it made national government a tool of the States. The Constitution flipped the script, so to speak.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore January 24, 2017 8:11 PM  

Lotta folks who fetishize the Constitution attempt to depict Madison's break with Hamilton as being ideological. I am of the opinion that Madison, after Hamilton's loose construction which resulted in the rationale for a national bank, had a case of buyer's remorse. After all, he fell in with the "wrong" crowd - the critics of the Constitution who reformed as Democratic (Jeffersonian) - Republicans.

I often wonder how the Philadelphia Convention had unfolded if Jefferson were not in Paris and Thomas Burke had lived beyond 1777. I think things would have been much different. Add to that George Clinton's decision to include Hamilton in the NY delegation to Phila. Cannot remember the other dudes who accompanied Hamilton but they were both harsh critics, like Clinton, but Hamilton was not.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) January 24, 2017 8:15 PM  

10. BBGKB January 24, 2017 5:22 PM
Also that anchor baby La Raza judge that went after him personally.



no, that fails the Moral level.


i'm sure Vox is aware of this, but Algeria was France's loss.


anybody else having problems with Periscope hanging during replay and refusing to restart?

i mean, i can force a restart by reloading the page but then i have to begin at 0:00 again. any attempt to skip ahead in playback also hangs playback for me.

using PaleMoon.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy January 24, 2017 8:20 PM  

VD wrote:There are HUGE problems with direct democracy. It's bad for a litany of reasons.

It is much, much, much better than representative democracy. This is no longer theoretical, or even reasonably debatable. There is absolutely no question which is more legitimate or better represents the will of the people.

But Dieboldocracy would be much worse. We don't have the technology to do direct democracy securely quite yet.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 24, 2017 8:55 PM  

The history of initiatives demonstrates pretty conclusively that direct democracy produces better legislation than representative demo does.

HOWEVER...

That same history also shows that who interprets and enforced legislation is far more important than what is actually written in the law. Direct democracy might do away with the agent problem of the legislative branch, but we still have the problem of the executive branch.

Blogger Gromm January 24, 2017 8:57 PM  

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Anonymous DissidentRight January 24, 2017 9:06 PM  

Direct Democracy + Universal Suffrage > Representative Democracy + Universal Suffrage

DD + Male Suffrage > RD + Male Suffrage

Obviously restricting suffrage does not make for good rhetoric like direct democracy does. Right?

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams January 24, 2017 9:43 PM  

Thank you for doing these periscopes, Vox.

No relevant commentary, only a question. What is up with all those hearts? (Chrome on android.)

Blogger Nick S January 24, 2017 10:11 PM  

LurkingPuppy wrote:But Dieboldocracy would be much worse. We don't have the technology to do direct democracy securely quite yet.

A properly constructed Ethereum scheme would have much more national integrity and be more secure than what we have today.

Blogger Nick S January 24, 2017 10:29 PM  

+

A national ID card equipped with an EVM connected to a personal government issued vote token account and ATMs equipped with biometric (Iris, fingerprint, voice, facial recognition or some combination...whatever works best) verification could turn every ATM machine into a extremely secure voting kiosk.

I believe a good plan for this could be implemented within 10 years, but 20 is probably more realistic.

Blogger Nick S January 24, 2017 10:31 PM  

+ Raise the voting age to 25!

Anonymous Malwyn's apprentice January 24, 2017 10:39 PM  

I'm liking your periscope series. The length (15-20 min) is just right for a brief discussion that highlights a few key points.

Anonymous IncoherentM January 24, 2017 11:27 PM  

I haven't listened to this specific Darkstream yet, but I want to thank-you for taking the time to do these and post them up. I hope to listen in live someday.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy January 25, 2017 12:44 AM  

Nick S wrote:A properly constructed Ethereum scheme would have much more national integrity and be more secure than what we have today.
A national ID card
Who makes the ID cards and issues the keypairs? NSA, China, Russian hackers, or Mossad?
equipped with an EVM
The Infogalactic article you linked to states that the whole Ethereum network can handle 25 transactions per second. How will these smart-card EVMs grind through verifying the blockchain faster than a bunch of big servers manage to, on the relatively rare occasions when a user connects their card to a power supply and data source?
connected to a personal government issued vote token account
So you're also throwing out the secret ballot entirely—not merely not making an effort to conceal a person's votes, but actively requiring that every voter's identity be publicly recorded along with all of his votes, and stored forever. That turns a system which could have removed the Left from power into one which cannot tolerate an authoritarian or authoritarian population with non-trivial power (not even a mildly important patent) anywhere in the world ever again.
and ATMs equipped with biometric (Iris, fingerprint, voice, facial recognition or some combination...whatever works best) verification could turn every ATM machine into a extremely secure voting kiosk.
So the ATM is a trusted component of the system, and anyone who gains physical access to the ATM can modify it to record the biometric and other secret inputs needed to perform a voting transaction and spoof the card's outputs, and reuse those secret inputs to do whatever they want whenever they can connect to the card in the future. Not good.

You have not thought this through at all.

At the bare minimum, the hardware for an electronic voting device must be built, down to the silicon or vacuum tubes, by a party whom its user trusts, and must have trusted UI hardware, both input and output, attached to it (i.e. about one UI terminal per household; not necessarily separable from the trusted voting device itself), and the software for it must be simple enough that any reasonably competent programmer can verify that the machine code being loaded into it is bug-free. (The latter will happen on its own once suitable hardware is made by enough independent manufacturers to be trustworthy.) A voting protocol is the easy part.

Blogger Happy LP9 January 25, 2017 1:09 AM  

Awesome!!

Blogger Shimshon January 25, 2017 1:10 AM  

Are the glasses a new thing? Going for the professorial look?

Blogger Happy LP9 January 25, 2017 1:12 AM  

I hope Ivan, Vox and Stefan can meet up! Thank you for making this available for 24 hours, it helps my dad at the nursing home. Thank you, it validates how us forgotten people are not alone and not forgotten, great work!

Our Dear Gentlemen, you have MAD support!! Carry on the great, great work!!

Blogger Duke Norfolk January 25, 2017 7:51 AM  

Once again you've made me reexamine my "priors"; this time on DD vs RD. I find myself wanting to fight this, but of course that's because it's a sacred cow of the right in the country. Sometimes those need to be slaughtered. We'll see.

Blogger Nick S January 25, 2017 12:35 PM  

LurkingPuppy wrote:You have not thought this through at all

Bah! Details. Just get 'er done, Skippy.

Blogger Aeoli Pera January 25, 2017 12:48 PM  

Remember not to use abstract ideas for rhetoric. Concrete demonstrations of this principle would be very good rhetoric. E.g. "The EU over-ruled the will of the British people, that's BAD!" Not "Direct democracy is GOOD!" That won't work.

Blogger Nick S January 25, 2017 12:57 PM  

Clearly, civilization needs more people who believe that because they can't imagine a way to make something work it must be impossible.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 25, 2017 1:16 PM  

Wouldn't the endless propaganda from the media become even more powerful under a direct democracy?

Blogger Nick S January 25, 2017 1:48 PM  

I have my doubts about the wisdom of a direct democracy, but concerning the mechanics I think it's possible.

Perform an experiment. Temporarily entertain the notion that you personally might be able to solve the problems that appear insurmountable to you. I believe you will discover you're smart enough to come up with some innovative plausible scenarios that you too think could work.

Blogger John Williams January 25, 2017 2:57 PM  

Download the Periscope App on Android or iOS.
Log in & follow Voxday. When he goes live, you'll be notified.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy January 27, 2017 1:36 AM  

Nick S wrote:Clearly, civilization needs more people who believe that because they can't imagine a way to make something work it must be impossible.
I just told you what would be necessary to make it work. Making computer hardware trustworthy is expensive.

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