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Thursday, January 26, 2017

Don't resist the truth

One of Rod Dreher's readers feels the irresistible pull of the Alt-Right:
I’m a white guy. I’m a well-educated intellectual who enjoys small arthouse movies, coffehouses and classic blues. If you didn’t know any better, you’d probably mistake me for a lefty urban hipster.

And yet. I find some of the alt-right stuff exerts a pull even on me. Even though I’m smart and informed enough to see through it. It’s seductive because I am not a person with any power or privilege, and yet I am constantly bombarded with messages telling me that I’m a cancer, I’m a problem, everything is my fault.

I am very lower middle class. I’ve never owned a new car, and do my own home repairs as much as I can to save money. I cut my own grass, wash my own dishes, buy my clothes from Walmart. I have no clue how I will ever be able to retire. But oh, brother, to hear the media tell it, I am just drowning in unearned power and privilege, and America will be a much brighter, more loving, more peaceful nation when I finally just keel over and die.

Trust me: After all that, some of the alt-right stuff feels like a warm, soothing bath. A “safe space,” if you will. I recoil from the uglier stuff, but some of it — the “hey, white guys are actually okay, you know! Be proud of yourself, white man!” stuff is really VERY seductive, and it is only with some intellectual effort that I can resist the pull. And yet I still follow this stuff, not really accepting it, but following it just because it’s one of the only places I can go where people are not always telling me I’m the seed of all evil in the world. If it’s a struggle for someone like me to resist the pull, I imagine it’s probably impossible for someone with less education or cultural exposure....

I’m sorry, but there are two alternatives here. You can push for some kind of universalist vision bringing everybody together, or you can have tribes. There’s not a third option. If you don’t want universalism, then you just have to accept that various forms of open white nationalism are eventually going to become a permanent feature of politics. You don’t have to LIKE it. But you have to accept it and learn to live with it — including the inevitable violence and strife that will flow from it.
This is why the Alt-Right Revolution is inevitable. Despite the propaganda in which the young man has been steeped for his entire life, despite being "smart" and "informed" and "well-educated", which is to say "brainwashed" and "misinformed" and "maleducated", truth and tribe attract him.

There are not two alternatives. Universalism is dead, because it only ever had appeal to a) white Anglo imperialists and b) Jewish globalists. Universalism can only hold lasting mass appeal in a homogeneous society where everyone is the same tribe; once the society becomes sufficiently heterogeneous, tribalism and identity politics will inevitably rise to the fore. This is the process we have witnessed in the post-1965 USA.

Indeed, even in the Jewish State of Israel, identity politics are rising to the fore; "identity" is the literal translation of the term "zehut". But the USA is not a Jewish state, it is a white state, an Anglo-American state, and therefore some form of white American nationalism is as inevitable in the USA as Swedish nationalism and Russian nationalism and Catalonian nationalism and Jewish nationalism are inevitable in Sweden, Russia, Catalonia, and Israel. Identity is the only way a nation can preserve its values; to paraphrase the Zehut founder, a nation that loses its identity will eventually lose the sense of meaning for its existence as well as its legitimacy.

The Alt-Right is not a temptation, it is the answer for those who wish to save America from its loss of meaning, identity, and legitimacy. It is not the nationalism of the Alt-Right, but the civic nationalism of the Alt-Lite that is a mirage and a false ideal. Civic nationalism is no more true nationalism than social justice is true justice. And there is no reason for American men and women to resist the pull of the Alt-Right, because the Alt-Right is the only current political philosophy that is in harmony with science, history, reason, and current events.

Be sure to read the comments there. The speed with which the cucks and SJWs rush in to condemn men expressing even modest sympathies with their white identity is educational.

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112 Comments:

Blogger Gaiseric January 26, 2017 8:14 AM  

What's even more amazing is how fast the doubling down from the Left has been. It was kind of a low grade irritant for many years for most people in Heritage America, but in the last couple of months or so, they Left has turned into full-blown Brown Nazis where brown people are the master race and white people are the Jews, in need of genocide. It's not just some weird, shrill voice like Lena Dunham saying white men should just die, it's now mainstream candidates for the DNC chair saying that white people need to shut their mouths.

It's like a flood of red-pills sweeping across the nation. The most cucked, "nice guy" civic nationalist muh Constitutionalist pseudo-conservatives I know are looking at the Democrats in dismay and wondering what in the world kind of crazy has gotten into them. And slowly starting to realize that that crazy has always been there; they were just cunning enough to keep it on simmer until now.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 26, 2017 8:14 AM  

This guy's the Muddy Middle.

The next good chimp-out will cause him to vault to the right.

PS: I'll match IQ, education and arts-involvement with this guy all day long. I've sung the lead in operas and soloed with symphony orchestras.

And I know that Mozart, Puccini, Brahms, Beethoven, et.al. were white guys, while I also know that if rap is the best blacks can do, their blues predecessors are spinning in their graves.

Anonymous Philipp January 26, 2017 8:16 AM  

I have read this article and thought exactly the same: He points out why the Alt-Right will rise.

Blogger pyrrhus January 26, 2017 8:20 AM  

Another comment from a PhD candidate in English:
I remarked to my wife a couple of weeks ago that witnessing the left’s histrionics for the past several months has made me more racist, more sexist, and more homophobic than I ever would’ve been otherwise. Now, I don’t like that about myself, and I try to self-critique and keep in check some of the more knee-jerk impulses (I must strive for Christian charity above all else, of course), but that’s obviously way more than the left is willing to do. What the left doesn’t get is it’s turning people like me—reasonably moderate, go-along-to-get-along types—into full-blown reactionary radicals. Ideas that I once would’ve rolled my eyes at I’m now willing to give a hearing. I don’t think I’m some paragon of rational thought and self-control by any means, but it concerns me that if I’m willing at least to entertain some of these ideas (critically and deliberately), what about the people who embrace them more impetuously or because their circumstances seemingly leave them no other option? If the left wants to make this all about tribes, I’m siding with my own tribe. That means the Church above all else, of course, but it may come to mean some of those other categories, too. What follows from all of this cannot bode well.

Blogger SouthRon January 26, 2017 8:21 AM  

OT: Today's Google Doodle "honors" black-female aviatrix Bessie Coleman.

As soon as I saw it, was betting she was a victim of the Dunning–Kruger effect.

Sho' 'nuf. She died at 34 while flying a poorly maintained Curtis without a seatbelt, lost control and was thrown 2,000' to the ground. It was found that a maintenance wrench had jammed the controls.

Google really has lost its mind.

Blogger Nate January 26, 2017 8:28 AM  

the comments...

We could call them "How to great an alt-right activist 101"

Blogger Cail Corishev January 26, 2017 8:38 AM  

Be sure to read the comments there. The speed with which the cucks and SJWs rush in

Rod trained them well during the campaign. They know his comments are a safe space for anyone shooting rightward.

Anonymous LastRedoubt January 26, 2017 8:40 AM  

@dc.sunsets

And I know that Mozart, Puccini, Brahms, Beethoven, et.al. were white guys, while I also know that if rap is the best blacks can do, their blues predecessors are spinning in their graves.

We went from Jazz and blues to.... rap.

Anonymous DJF January 26, 2017 8:40 AM  

SouthRon writes """"It was found that a maintenance wrench had jammed the controls.""""

I bet the wrench was made by a white guy. Need I say more?

Anonymous Who Dat January 26, 2017 8:43 AM  

Holy hens, Batman! That's a lot of cucking in those comments. My personal favorites are 'Universalism hasn't truly been tried' and 'No such thing as white Americans'

Blogger Joshua_D January 26, 2017 8:44 AM  

Being a "well-educated intellectual who enjoys small arthouse movies, coffehouses and classic blues" doesn't make you a Leftist Proggy, it makes you civilized. Come on into the Alt Right Pool, Zapollo, the water is fine.

Blogger Harsh January 26, 2017 8:51 AM  

Must be rough waking up one day and realizing you're a kulak.

Anonymous PinochetsChopperPilot January 26, 2017 8:52 AM  

SouthRon, Blacks have the strongest cognitive bias I've ever seen, in any field, at any age, in/of any social or financial class. They literally are so dumb that they don't realize how dumb they are. Even the "smart ones" (usually mixed with White) are prone to this--although they are more often "rescued" by white knights of white culture, and promoted to safe spaces and places within any organization. Left to themselves, they will completely FUBAR any project.

As to the author Rod, I think the single most important thing--that I practice regularly in my own personal life, is to not only red pill men like him (double bluing/negging to show how ridiculous the Left is, for example), I MAKE A POINT of drawing in white women (usually racial negging) to ensure they ALWAYS are part of the target group of the left.

White women have for decades exempted themselves from the very things they bash "white people" for, so I NEVER miss an opportunity to neg them, in any situation over any topic.

Wanna talk about "good or safe schools" for your pretty white kids--I'll neg the conversation until it's clear you mean "no black people around them" and then double-blue that you should want that...their understanding that I am trolling is optional, based upon their openness and ability to see what I am doing/showing them.

New supervisory position at work? "Sorry Julie, the last thing we need (as you prepare to apply) is 'yet another white person in management'...

Guys like this Rod guy, and all white people, should CONSTANTLY be drawn into the battle, isolated, and made to know they are part of "the problem", the privilege, etc. When they disagree or try to compartmentalize (white women ALWAYS DO THIS), I'll play the liberal and remind them about their upbringing, educated parents, money, ancestry, whatever, in a way that makes arguing against me (the liberal line) unsavory.

Anonymous W. Lindsay Wheeler January 26, 2017 8:54 AM  

To be of the "right" is to be a monarchist and a monarchist is always a part of nationality. Monarchism is tied to nationality. It was always there from time immemorial. Who protected national custom and traditions and identity from Jewish predation of universalism? The Catholic Monarch. It was the American and French revolutions that killed the Old Order. Tribe and identity that goes along with that is the Old Order. The true rightists that resisted the French Revolution. It was the Loyalists, the monarchists, that resisted the American Revolution. It is the Monarchists that were the original nationalists. Monarchy and Nationalism go hand in hand.

Blogger wreckage January 26, 2017 8:56 AM  

Identity is real and has consequences. Ideologically I'm, I dunno, civic nationalist? Nationalist Libertarian? But tribes are real. It's not about hatred, inferiority, superiority or anything else: racial tension is real, tribes are real, identity is real, and we have to acknowledge that and deal with it rationally and humanely, because otherwise it will be dealt with irrationally and inhumanely.

Blogger Paul R January 26, 2017 8:57 AM  

The greater the belief in one concept, the greater the antipathy towards that concept once illusions get shattered. Once these big anti-racists have the scales fall from their eyes, they will be the ones screaming loudest for GTKRWN and clamoring to man the gas chambers. The pendulum swing is going to be absolutely brutal.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 26, 2017 8:58 AM  

PinochetsChopperPilot wrote:... not only red pill men like him (double bluing/negging to show how ridiculous the Left is, for example), I MAKE A POINT of drawing in white women (usually racial negging) to ensure they ALWAYS are part of the target group of the left.

That sounds worth trying. Not many liberals around here, few open cuckservatives, but maybe online.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus January 26, 2017 9:05 AM  

We'll make an ethnonationalist out of the boy yet.

Anonymous PinochetsChopperPilot January 26, 2017 9:08 AM  

Ominous: It's really true of any white, but I think once we "win" white women back--things will move faster. They've largely lived outside the racial reality bubble, receiving White Knighting and Affirmative Action since birth--the only political exceptions being largely married white women (who see their husbands/sons suffer).

Here in the urban area I live in, when I run into any type of even moderate SJW professional (money-making) W/F, and any convo comes up where I can (esp since I'm an actual White Hispanic), I make a point of making some seemingly innocuous remark to that eggs-drying while we speak 32-year old SWPF like, "To be honest, I think it's noble that so many women like you get up at 5am, do that long commute, and work so hard, so that we can all pay more taxes and help support the women from poorer countries coming here with hardships and children". Insert Somalia or whatever for effect.

You will never see a woman's smirky tone change so fast, as they walk away and digest what you are really saying "YES WHITE WOMEN, YOU PUT OFF MARRIAGE, CHILDREN--GO WORK LIKE MEN, SUFFER, AND PAY TAXES FOR BROWN WOMEN AND BABIES...YOU ARE NOBLE !!!"

All day long, all the time. Double Blue and Negging on anyone left of center.

Blogger Robert Divinity January 26, 2017 9:13 AM  

The latter comments turned semi-supportive of white nationalism, at least as something inevitable. The only question is how long will it be until Dreher shuts down comments.

As to the excerpted PhD candidate above, that's sort of where most cucked white men are now. It's tremendous progress, and the Alt-Right, at a minimum, has moved the Overton Window tremendously. White genocide now is acknowledged, at least intuitively, and the push back continues to spread. The speed is amazing.

Blogger mushroom January 26, 2017 9:14 AM  

My favorite comment over there was the guy who had been to the Episcopal retreat with the memory of the rainbow of children playing together still fresh in his mind.

You know that meme with Batman slapping Robin? I'm Batman.

Blogger YIH January 26, 2017 9:16 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:Be sure to read the comments there. The speed with which the cucks and SJWs rush in

Rod trained them well during the campaign. They know his comments are a safe space for anyone shooting rightward.

He's also as aggressive in filtering for sycophants as Scalzi.
Also, even calling him a ''conservative'' is increasingly becoming a misnomer, over the past couple of years there has been a distinct drift to the left from him - as in 60's-70's mainstream Democrat. Christian, egalitarian, uncomfortable with social change but ultimately tolerant of it - and staunchly ''anti-racist''.
Which, when you look at his background it's hardly any surprise. Often he was ''the genteel pet right-winger'' in some newsroom (or guesting on NPR).

Blogger Elizabeth January 26, 2017 9:20 AM  

A female friend called me yesterday and said, "I'm really getting to hate blacks" and went on to talk about their sense of entitlement. She owns a second home in Maine and said that she might move there permanently because there aren't any blacks in the area (Maine is the whitest state in the US). This woman moved from being a liberal Democrat to the Republican Party via Ron Paul and finally voted for Donald Trump. I don't think that she is alone.

Blogger Dirtnapninja January 26, 2017 9:20 AM  

The universalist position isnt really universalist.

Its based on the notion that the culture, symbols and history of euros are universal properties which can be freely appropriated and subverted. The result is all the non whites feel free to lay claim to their share of the good we have done, while leaving our crimes and vices only to us. They want to eat from our plate, but don't want to do the dishes.

Blogger Undocumented Pharmacist January 26, 2017 9:20 AM  

So he doesn't like people calling him a monster, but feels he has to resist others who tell him he's not a monster?

Blogger dienw January 26, 2017 9:22 AM  

Wheeler needs to rejoin his Tory kin in Canada.

Blogger tz January 26, 2017 9:23 AM  

I think the militant gay marriage was the tipping point (burn down memories pizza, sweet cakes, Eich, etc.), doubled down with transgender locker rooms in schools.

Black people might go to the suburbs, but they'd be served, and they can't insist a lack of soul food at olive garden is racist.

But militant gays - darlings of the left - sought out Christians to destroy. That was a cultural Pearl Harbor. Remember SJWs project when they say "straight white men want to destroy us".

The pushback started, and the intellectual left were cucked by the SJWs, so it is now SJWs vs the alt-Right.

On the left, for every Greenwald, there are 1000 Madonnas. The authors of the letters watched. Filthy nasty women threatening violence when they weren't full potty-mouth.

There is nothing there to argue with, either dialecticly or rhetorically. Rabid, feral cats just need to be put down before someone gets hurt.

The letter writers have no one telling them why they are wrong, just that they are shameful for existing.

The Overton window split. A small SJW slit on the left, and the large one on the right that runs from Sarah Palin to Richard Spencer.

The letter writers will never go to the left slit, but find the middle somewhere around Milo now.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer January 26, 2017 9:24 AM  

And I know that Mozart, Puccini, Brahms, Beethoven, et.al. were white guys, while I also know that if rap is the best blacks can do, their blues predecessors are spinning in their graves.

I have read, don't know if it is true, that Louis Freakin Farrakhan, thinks rap is the result of a conspiracy (of whites of course) meant to degrade blacks and steal blues and jazz from them.

Anonymous PinochetsChopperPilot January 26, 2017 9:24 AM  

Let's be honest, some of the red pilling will be accelerated by the DNC naturally. Even for cucked white women (and men for that matter) who are left-of-center, watching that dumb broad from Idaho debase herself before her black masters ("tell us white people how to better shut up and serve you" stuff)...will completely red pill them.

Per Dalrock and TheRationalMale and other men's sites, women--white women, are very solipsistic, narcissist and ego-driven..as the left increasingly turns on them, you're going to see more of them do the whole "I'm not accepting that shit!"

I've watched it on the micro-level in otherwise polite discussions between white women and Latinas, where all these (alleged) positive stereotypes from the Latinas eventually were recognized as offensive to white women, their mothering skills, wife skills and culture. I always help it along of course...

"It is true Jessica, white women do put their kids in day care while most Latinas stay at home with their kids"

Jessica: Ya, but I have to work and my husband and I have a nice home...

Me: (interrupting, wave of hand) Look, I totally get that, no one gets that more than me..your boy Bernie was right, we NEED educated folks like you and your husband to work hard and pay taxes...I just saw on the news how these Somalian women in Maine were having problems feeding their kids (shaking my head)...I mean damn...

THE JESSICAS OF THE WORLD WILL GET IT EVENTUALLY.

Blogger Lovekraft January 26, 2017 9:26 AM  

r-selective becoming a K. Not very confusing at all. Called growing a pair.

Anonymous Isotalo January 26, 2017 9:27 AM  

Gaiseric wrote:What's even more amazing is how fast the doubling down from the Left has been.

That has amazed me as well. In a year or so, these people have gone from "whites are evil racists and privileged and need to pay for it" to "whites just need to disappear from the earth" and don't even seem to notice it themselves. And of course, being morons, they're working against themselves, not understanding that if you blame an innocent man for something he didn't do long enough, eventually he'll decide to screw it and go ahead and do this thing he's going to be blamed for anyway. Oh well.

Blogger pyrrhus January 26, 2017 9:32 AM  

@28 "I have read, don't know if it is true, that Louis Freakin Farrakhan, thinks rap is the result of a conspiracy (of whites of course) meant to degrade blacks and steal blues and jazz from them."

Calypso Louie might be on to something. Whose media is promoting this rubbish, anyway?

Blogger tz January 26, 2017 9:38 AM  

I think I understand "The female eunuch" now.

Groacet causes women to have ovaries - and care about motherhood.

The million slut walk helps the polarization - "You're one of those nasty women who swear and talk about menstrual blood?"

(There's a new "the children are watching" ad at CTH showing kids watching the speeches with a lot of bleeps).

Anonymous PinochetsChopperPilot January 26, 2017 9:38 AM  

I dunno but diversity is (still) our strength!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2709224/two-afghan-migrants-revealed-as-those-arrested-over-horrific-three-hour-rape-streamed-on-facebook-live-in-sweden/

Blogger William Meisheid January 26, 2017 9:40 AM  

23. Elizabeth Re: Black sense of entitlement.

My wife worked on a government contract for Northrup Grumman for five years and about two years in they brought in a black woman as manager. She immediately began things like telling the office manager to go out during lunch and get her dry-cleaning. When my wife called out another member of the team (who was a black woman) for improperly altering my wife's project documents without permission, she was dressed down by the black woman manager and brought in for a "counseling session" because she was obviously prejudiced. this went on across the board on the whole project.

Complaints to NG management went unheeded until a formal complaint was made through HR, which never resulted in any real change and only offers to find employment on another contract. Things got so bad they eventually promoted the manager out of the situation but it changed forever a lot of people's viewpoints.

OpenID paworldandtimes January 26, 2017 9:42 AM  

Possibly, three emergent White American nations: Yanks (non-Southern conservative leaning Anglo core intermarried with nth generation Euro immigrants), Pacifica (liberal mostly west coast Whites), and South (self explanatory, open question on the future of carpetbaggers: absorption or exclusion?)

PA

Anonymous PolarBearBalls January 26, 2017 9:45 AM  

William, in other words, the more frequently/intensely a white interacts with blacks the more likely that white is to have negative thoughts about blacks.

Actual interaction is typically the missing ingredient for most white libs and cucks.

Anonymous Athor Pel January 26, 2017 9:48 AM  

" 29. Anonymous PinochetsChopperPilot January 26, 2017 9:24 AM
...
"It is true Jessica, white women do put their kids in day care while most Latinas stay at home with their kids"

Jessica: Ya, but I have to work and my husband and I have a nice home...

Me: ...we NEED educated folks like you and your husband to work hard and pay taxes...I just saw on the news how these Somalian women in Maine were having problems feeding their kids (shaking my head)...I mean damn...

THE JESSICAS OF THE WORLD WILL GET IT EVENTUALLY. "




Just because they aren't personally grabbing your wallet and pulling out the $bills doesn't mean they aren't stealing your money.

Now, just think what that dawning realization will do for their overall attitude to taxes or their relationship to government.

Once an false idol is toppled everything connected to it gets questioned; with prejudice.

Blogger Stilicho January 26, 2017 9:52 AM  

They rush to condemn because they recognize the truth at some instinctive level and they fear and loathe it.

Anonymous Just another commenter January 26, 2017 9:57 AM  

"White privilege" denies the individual, denigrates his personal experience, situation, skills, abilities, and background. It reduces the complexity of a man to the single dimension of "race," and simultaneously making it equivalent to "aggressive oppressor, taker, looter, wrecker, evil." It strips a man a dignity and agency. It judges a man by the color of his skin, not the content of his character. It is racist hate speech, and should be vigorously condemned in no uncertain terms.

On a related note, I came across this yesterday:
Why Liberals are ALWAYS wrong, a speech given by Evan Sayat called "Regurgitating the apple" at the Heritage Foundation.

Blogger Johnny January 26, 2017 9:58 AM  

W. Lindsay Wheeler wrote:To be of the "right" is to be a monarchist and a monarchist is always a part of nationality. Monarchism is tied to nationality. It was always there from time immemorial. Who protected national custom and traditions and identity from Jewish predation of universalism? The Catholic Monarch. It was the American and French revolutions that killed the Old Order. Tribe and identity that goes along with that is the Old Order. The true rightists that resisted the French Revolution. It was the Loyalists, the monarchists, that resisted the American Revolution. It is the Monarchists that were the original nationalists. Monarchy and Nationalism go hand in hand.



Close but not actually correct.

Prior to the French (and American) Revolution, Europe was led by a feudal nobility that regarded its governed territory as property, and they associated that with their ethnic character almost not at all. What the French Revolution along with the new political ideologies accomplished was to reinvent populist government, something the feudal orders did not have. The ennobled political order was largely indifferent to what the peasants (lower classes however defined) thought about anything because they were not involved in the power struggle.

Even though the talk of the revolution said nothing about race, the peasants identified with their own family, clan, local group, linguistic or they look like us group, and that common identity brought back cultural affiliation as an important consideration.

Before Roman Empire there were tribes that had an almost perfect alignment between affiliation and biology. After the French Revolution Europe got a close enough affiliation between popular support and biology as defined by culture.

Also, it really did change history. Despite the revolution creating a multi-cultural empire, it undermined all multi-cultural empires by getting the masses to think in terms of a national identity rather than a local or village identity. In Marxist terminology, it politicized the masses.


Blogger Stilicho January 26, 2017 9:59 AM  

Wheeler already lives in what is essentially southern canuckistan

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 26, 2017 9:59 AM  

Pinochet you are evil and I love you.

Now think of all the intellectuals who wasted years writing essays at anyone time were just going to change the feminine mind from the fashion of the day. FAIL

Blogger Viisaus January 26, 2017 10:01 AM  

"Universalism can only hold lasting mass appeal in a homogeneous society where everyone is the same tribe; once the society becomes sufficiently heterogeneous, tribalism and identity politics will inevitably rise to the fore."

Muslim fundamentalists have made some serious efforts to fight tribalism - take, for example, the Almoravids, the bunch who eventually fought against El Cid in Spain:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almoravid_dynasty#Origins

"Invoking stories of the early life of Muhammad, Ibn Yasin preached that conquest was a necessary addendum to Islamicization, that it was not enough to merely adhere to God's law, but necessary to also destroy opposition to it. In Ibn Yasin's ideology, anything and everything outside of Islamic law could be characterized as "opposition". He identified tribalism, in particular, as an obstacle. He believed it was not enough to urge his audiences to put aside their blood loyalties and ethnic differences, and embrace the equality of all Muslims under the Sacred Law, it was necessary to make them do so."

I would say that this, and also the modern ISIS phenomenon, is a more sincere and deeper attempt to "transcend race" than anything that modern SJW posers and phonies are capable of.

Blogger Cail Corishev January 26, 2017 10:03 AM  

Also, even calling him a ''conservative'' is increasingly becoming a misnomer, over the past couple of years there has been a distinct drift to the left from him

I enjoyed his book Crunchy Cons back in the day, but in retrospect, the seeds of cuckservatism are obvious in it. He interviewed people of various religions, cultures, and backgrounds, and concluded that as long as they sign onto certain conservative social beliefs (the ones Rod happens to share), they can all get along. Those conservative beliefs will trump their other differences. A representative paragraph:

"Unlike in past eras, when the faithful persecuted each other over religious differences, contemporary America is forging new bonds of fellowship among Catholics, Protestants, Eastern Orthodox, Jews, and sometimes even Muslims -- all of whom, however they answer the God question, agree on the objective nature of Truth. It is a postmodern paradox that those of us who cannot agree on what is true agree that truth matters. As such, we are all comrades in the conservative counterculture."

That's a muddled mess of nonsense; but as far as I can tell, he's done nothing but double-down on that belief since. But the paradox he claims doesn't exist. It does matter what Truth is, especially to people who think truth matters. If you believe that God is Truth, as Christians do, then people who disagree about who God is disagree about what is True. So the only way to get along is to water down your beliefs about Truth until you're left with something everyone can agree on, which is the Moralistic Therapeutic Deism that Rod used to rail against. While he may be willing to sign on for that, Muslims aren't, and Jews only do as part of a larger strategy.

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative January 26, 2017 10:04 AM  

@19 PinochetsChopperPilot:

"I think once we "win" white women back--things will move faster..."

Good suggestions.

Women are PC because of (1) peer pressure and (2) virtue signaling. You fight peer pressure by unplugging from the media.

Virtue signaling is something else. It's the female version of men acting tough -- showing you're valuable to the tribe. Everyone knows this instinctively: You'll never embarrass a woman by showing she's weak, no matter how much feminist brainwashing she's received. But point out she's evil and you'll cut deep.

Don't treat them like they're good but misguided people. That just reinforces their behavior. Don't let them think they're getting some kind of status or good reputation from PC platitudes. Treat them like the traitors they are. Tell them outright that what's happening is their fault. Because it is.

Anonymous PinochetsChopperPilot January 26, 2017 10:05 AM  

The overwhelming majority of left-leaning white women who are married or dating, either have or will have white children--never miss an opportunity to remind them that "other" children deserve more/better opportunities than their own children "out of fairness/equality" etc.

From school clubs, to teams, to college admissions, whatever, ALWAYS amplify the rights of browns and blacks over their white children..and if they protest in the slightest, gauge your response utilizing standard blue-pill language/scripting. Especially when you've identified your target as an Obama-voting white woman type.

I also expand and amplify the concept of "minority" (over her white children), as liberals are want to do, to include ANY hispanic (even the most Spaniard of us, from any socio-economic group), ALL Middle Easterners, ANY MUSLIM ON THE PLANET, LGBT etc.

Whites and white women especially, must be offered a symbolic alter in which to sacrifice themselves and their children at each and every decision point, consistent with Leftist philosophy--until the double-blue pilling and negging is so completely absurd (yet oddly consistent with actual Leftist policies) it shatters any illusions they have of what's really going on in the US and Western World.





Anonymous Taco Town January 26, 2017 10:06 AM  

This blog post over at Ace of Spades sums this up perfectly:

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=368084

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 26, 2017 10:10 AM  

#45 you ain't quite there yet. Sure you can try and scold them and then they turn back to the mainstream which rewards their stupid virtue signaling.

Blogger tz January 26, 2017 10:13 AM  

@31 - no, the innocent man won't become guilty, he will become indifferent to the charge, so when a cross burning or lynching does happen, he'll just shrug.

This is the danger the police face when they become traffic ticket tax collectors instead of protecting and serving. Their moral capital is rapidly being drawn down. But they may become the alt-Blue.

Either there is a return to the rule of law, or the tribalism will get worse. If the government won't protect people, or worse oppresses them, the people will look to the tribe. Even Ferguson or Baltimore - Crimes? meh, but the city needs the millions in ticket revenue.

The mirror is what has been happening to men, whites, and Christians. Family courts, anti-discrimination if you don't bake a gay cake, etc.

Anonymous Sheiko29 January 26, 2017 10:18 AM  

"I’m a well-educated intellectual" and "I am very lower middle class." Wat.

Anonymous sqeekie January 26, 2017 10:19 AM  

Well done pyrrhus #4, you copied and pasted a chunk of Rod Dreher's article. Anything original to add?

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer January 26, 2017 10:21 AM  

And I know that Mozart, Puccini, Brahms, Beethoven, et.al. were white guys, while I also know that if rap is the best blacks can do, their blues predecessors are spinning in their graves.

I have read, don't know if it is true, that Louis Freakin Farrakhan, thinks rap is the result of a conspiracy (of whites of course) meant to degrade blacks and steal blues and jazz from them.

Blogger Lovekraft January 26, 2017 10:22 AM  

Re yesterdays reddit AMA of a Canadian feminist professor, looked for it, couldn't find. Perhaps the questions were too close to the mark?

Blogger Vi M January 26, 2017 10:25 AM  

Vox, this is off-topic but a question for you and your readers who are also writers.
I want to do a series of blog posts on my blog bookhorde about right-leaning book related professionals that right-leaning writers can consider using if they want to avoid dealing with SJWs.
I'm thinking of starting with cover artists / illustrators.
Do you have any freelance artists you would recommend?
Thanks!

Blogger Dexter January 26, 2017 10:26 AM  

Universalism is dead, because it only ever had appeal to a) white Anglo imperialists and b) Jewish globalists.

There are plenty of nauseating open-borders Catholics.

Anonymous Hugh G. Gaines January 26, 2017 10:27 AM  

@Sheiko Bohemian; they're smart enough to not wallow in poverty but stupid enough to remain stuck in it.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 26, 2017 10:28 AM  

Is it not time we state the obvious about Dreher? That he is a clown.

I think we send in Pinochet to agree and amplify Dreher into oblivion. Dreher should make a white privilege confession and apology

Blogger Gaiseric January 26, 2017 10:31 AM  

Stilicho wrote:Wheeler already lives in what is essentially southern canuckistan
Wheeler's just-so story is ignorant and stupid. Most of the monarchs in Europe were trans-nationalists who were all closely related to each other, and who intermarried exclusively with each other, regardless of nationality.

And his characterization of tribes during Roman times is equally ignorant. Most "tribes" described by the Romans were of dubious biological heritage, being the retinue that was attracted to successful warlords. The prevailing opinion of the Huns, to use just one example, by the time that they were raiding the Romans is that their make-up was as much Goth as it was everyone else combined.

Anonymous CC January 26, 2017 10:34 AM  

I had noticed how bad the anti-white rhetoric was becoming a few years ago and I knew it was only going to get worse, that this was only going one way. I couldn't understand where this hatred originated from: the left? I thought they'd been vanquished and besides, why would leaders and elites come to hate their fellow people so much? It was only after I had opened my eyes and begun investigating things like the craziness of PC and its corollaries like mass immigration, support of Islam, promotion of gay rights did I understand how bad it really was and how sincere they were.

But I had always sensed this hatred against me and my people and White Western Civilisation, it was everywhere: in the advertising and newspapers, movies and magazines. It was so subtle, imperceptible really, but I know it still affected me as it did everybody else who mouths the platitudes of equality and oppression. This is "education".

I remember thinking when I was young that it was as if the ads were being made by aliens from outer space who had learned how to manipulate humans but also didn't really understand, let alone care for them. Ironically enough, I think this cultural emptiness is what makes you vulnerable to arguments blaming capitalism and the West, where young people will even be more inclined to embrace lefty ideals to their own detriment.

And this has only gotten worse, looking at people even just a few years younger than me, they're even more brainwashed, because of an increasingly corrupted school system to the internet which reinforces all their preconceptions and the Western governments which have been pushing all these sick agendas.

But I understand a lot more now, cultural marxism and PC was designed to attack Western societies and ultimately obliterate them (especially by targeting the men). But like I wrote, even before that, when reading baffling quotes about the evilness of whiteness, I knew where this was all headed.

The reason the anti-whites are going full-speed ahead is because Trump has forced them to unmask themselves by not accepting their false premises, standing up to them and fighting back. I'm sure our slow steady slide would've continued at the same pace had he not appeared, but now he that he has they have to abandon their silly pretenses of equality and declare open war. So we're lucky that Trump came along when he did, the sooner more people like this writer become aware of the inevitable conflict, the better it is for all of us as time is not on our side.

Blogger Gaiseric January 26, 2017 10:34 AM  

Sorry; the Roman stuff was Johnny not Wheeler.

Blogger Gunnar Thalweg January 26, 2017 10:35 AM  

The oldest continuously running organization(s) in the world today are the foundational Christian churches -- Catholicism and Orthodoxy. They have shown that universalism is possible and possible over a long period of time. St. Patrick's can exist right down the street from Our Lady of Czestochowa. Meanwhile, the Holy Roman Empire was multi-ethnic and gave it a good nine-century run. Ninety-percent of China is ethnic Han -- and boy, have they ever had a successful, peaceful run as an ethno-state. They've had wars no one ever heard of that have killed tens of millions.


Universalism is not dead. Those on the left who are destroying it through identity politics think they will create a new universal socialist man. They won't.

Perhaps a little dose of the Alt-Right will make people come to their senses.

History is not inevitable. It is based on choices.

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative January 26, 2017 10:39 AM  

@48 Mr.MantraMan

No, pointing out that their children and grandchildren will hate them for what they've done to the country works sometimes.

But you have a point about the mainstream culture. That's why the media is really the worst enemy we face. How many hours per week does the average left-lib waste watching propaganda like The View or The Daily Show? The studio audience barking like trained seals at every cue is an important part of how progressive propaganda works. When you try to discuss something with someone who has been indoctrinated by the media, their amygdala triggered the whole time because they've been trained to associate non-PC views with being jeered by a large crowd. It's frightening to them. They can't refute what you're saying, but still won't agree, and can't articulate why.

Subconscious conditioning is a huge part of this. It's a big part of why some people won't acknowledge reality even when it's biting them in the ass every day. It's not stupidity - it's cowardice.

Leftist street violence is part of this conditioning too.

OpenID paworldandtimes January 26, 2017 10:43 AM  

But I had always sensed this hatred against me and my people and White Western Civilisation, it was everywhere: in the advertising and newspapers, movies and magazines. It was so subtle, imperceptible really, but I know it still affected me

Watch a minute of a family sitcom with the volume off. You will be struck by the preternaturally imbecilic look on the face of every actor (except the sassy daughter).

PA

Blogger Robert Divinity January 26, 2017 10:46 AM  

23: This woman moved from being a liberal Democrat to the Republican Party via Ron Paul and finally voted for Donald Trump. I don't think that she is alone.

29:Even for cucked white women (and men for that matter) who are left-of-center, watching that dumb broad from Idaho debase herself before her black masters ("tell us white people how to better shut up and serve you" stuff)...will completely red pill them.

White women, for reasons explained in previous comments, simply are lagging behind white men in embracing identity politics. Given the lightning speed with which the men are coming to accept ethnic nationalism, the same rapid acceptance likely will happen to the women.

This was not supposed to happen yet, but at a time in the not-so-distant future when the communists felt numerically powerful enough to kick bourgeois white women to the curb. The ludicrous, incoherent, spectacularly vulgar Million Upper Class Leftist White Women's March Saturday helped accelerate the exit of middle and working class women from the Left, as does the words of Caucasian Step 'n Fetchits like Ms. Idaho. The Alt-Right is ascendant, in part, because it has received inadvertent help from the insane opposition.

@47:

That blog post at such a conventionally conservative website was telling, too. The white reawakening is intensifying and the anti-European forces are speeding it along.

Anonymous PinochetsChopperPilot January 26, 2017 10:50 AM  

Mr.MantraMan, as a White Hispanic (totally of Spanish descent), I have actually nearly taken a dozen or so cucks and lib types to the point of near apology, simply by leap-frogging them down the primrose path of Leftism, regardless of how illogical or absurd the pathway is, this is primarily because virtue signalling and it's close cousin, political correctness, have so dulled the collective white mind that any objections to what I say (which are actually accurate reflections of the Left) are immediately handled internally by the brainwashed white mind. ONLY THE CONCLUSION, like a magicians reveal, and the actual personal consequences seem to wake up the (left-leaning) observer.

-I'm Hispanic.
-Hispanics can be of any race.
-I'm of any race (white as hell), their running scriptware prevents objection.
-I speak Spanish.
-Some Hispanics like my children don't speak Spanish.
-Not ALL Hispanics speak Spanish, nor is that a litmus test. "We can be of any race"...you've agreed to that for decades.
-My wife is brown (Latin American mix), my kids are basically white.
-We are culturally white, and my ancestors fought for the South.
-That's all forgiven since I'm "Hispanic"
-We make good money and live in your neighborhood.
-It doesn't matter.
-Some Chicanos (Mexicans) decades ago were discriminated somewhere in the Universe, and someone wrote a poem about it.
-White people in corners of Ivy League colleges teared up.
-Those Mestizos are like my cousins for the purposes of the discussion I am having with you white person.
-Your kids are privileged, mine are "first generation" (due to their mother).
-My kids are "minorities" like black kids.
-Any program, affirmative action, quota, system or "thing" that is meant for blacks is meant for me and my (white) kids who don't speak Spanish and live in your rich neighborhood.
-It's awful what people who potentially looked like you, did to people who look like other people that I don't look like but am associated with for a variety of reasons that you've already stipulated to for your entire life.
-It doesn't matter if any of this is true-It's "my truth" you've been agreeing by way of the ballot box/voting patterns, PTA meetings, virtue signalling and even head nods during this entire conversation.
-My kids get scholarships.
-You should be thanking me.
-On behalf of my republican wife and I, and our family, we accept your apology.

Blogger praetorian January 26, 2017 11:01 AM  

Whose media is promoting this rubbish, anyway?

Oh gawd! Hello, sir, hi.

History is not inevitable. It is based on choices.

Interesting comment.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 26, 2017 11:05 AM  

Honestly Chopper that post went a bit astray in my mind.

I look at it this way the intellectuals for decades tried to play father figure and reason their way with crazy.

I personally don't care about a cuck or libtard, I am Wormwood I am the devil, I will watch a conservative intellectual waste their time trying to reason and rationally debate people whose soul I want to crush.

Nothing better than finding that weakness and then tossing in a soul grenade of a quip that sails past the defenses and down to the center of that person.

Now at first glance at my above words the holy Christians on this site are going to be aghast and are going to want to scold me, but I look at myself as an exorcist so frack their holy ineffectualness.

Anonymous PinochetsChopperPilot January 26, 2017 11:15 AM  

They have to be shown the absurdity of their positions, and I would argue that every awoke white has some opportunity to spread the pill, in whatever way, shape or form.

Our next big project has to be to get Keith Ellison elected as head of the DNC. Project Full Tilt.

Anonymous fish January 26, 2017 11:17 AM  

I personally don't care about a cuck or libtard, I am Wormwood I am the devil, I will watch a conservative intellectual waste their time trying to reason and rationally debate people whose soul I want to crush.

Nothing better than finding that weakness and then tossing in a soul grenade of a quip that sails past the defenses and down to the center of that person.



^^THIS!^^

Blogger Elizabeth January 26, 2017 11:22 AM  

@43 - Viisaus:

Muslim fundamentalists have made some serious efforts to fight tribalism - take, for example, the Almoravids, the bunch who eventually fought against El Cid in Spain:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almoravid_dynasty#Origins

"Invoking stories of the early life of Muhammad, Ibn Yasin preached that conquest was a necessary addendum to Islamicization, that it was not enough to merely adhere to God's law, but necessary to also destroy opposition to it. In Ibn Yasin's ideology, anything and everything outside of Islamic law could be characterized as "opposition". He identified tribalism, in particular, as an obstacle. He believed it was not enough to urge his audiences to put aside their blood loyalties and ethnic differences, and embrace the equality of all Muslims under the Sacred Law, it was necessary to make them do so."

I would say that this, and also the modern ISIS phenomenon, is a more sincere and deeper attempt to "transcend race" than anything that modern SJW posers and phonies are capable of.

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The irony is that Moslems in many largely Moslem countries are probably the most clannish people on Earth due to high rates of cousin marriage. The natural human and animal prefer for relatives becomes intense. Another result is lowered IQ and high rates of pregnancies leading to miscarriages and birth defects.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Cousin_marriage_in_the_Middle_East

Northern Europeans are probably the least clannish and are the most prone to universalism.

Blogger Johnny January 26, 2017 11:25 AM  

The first and initial affiliation of all people is tribal. In order of strength starting with the strongest it is: family, clan, tribe.

During the time of the Roman empire there were other multi ethnic empires, but they were put together through the use of force, and thus fell apart when the local army ceased to dominate. The fall back would be tribal identity.

Mainly it was these tribal identity groups that the Romans had to fight against. The Greeks, for example, could form an alliance, but loyalty was to the city. Same thing for the Germans, temporary tribal alliances. Apparently the Egyptians were already feudal, had peasants that didn't give a rip. And so on and so on.

Recall that it was the Jews in Palestine that kept revolting, not the population that lived in the region. Rome originally was an alliance of seven tribes. Later they got around the issue with a professional army that had as its primary affiliation the army itself.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 26, 2017 11:26 AM  

69 you missed the point where I said I was an exorcist. Some are beyond saving well let them suffer and don't virtue signal any Christian guilt over it (that is a big deal with phonies).

Yes I might be a dreaded gamma for searching for people's weaknesses and then sailing a verbal JDAM down thru the opening, but you know what, it takes all types.

I'm not a believer but this era of Trump is like the Lord's gift to me, virtue signalers with a bullseye all but saying "Drop soul crushing JDAM here"

I feel sorry for the intellectuals and shriekers on our side, oh what fun they are missing.

Anonymous BBGKB January 26, 2017 11:29 AM  

"I’m a white guy. I’m a well-educated intellectual who enjoys small arthouse movies, coffehouses and classic blues" No BLACKS NO JEWS NO WETBACKS. Be Drug & Disease Free.

FIFY

Google Doodle "honors" black-female aviatrix Bessie Coleman....a victim of the Dunning–Kruger effect.Sho' 'nuf. She died at 34 while flying a poorly maintained Curtis without a seatbelt

That's why there are more black doctors than black pilots, pilot mistakes kill themselves.

so that we can all pay more taxes and help support the women from poorer countries coming here with hardships and children".

Someone's got to pay for Latrina's 29 crackbabies. I say things like that in places I can't talk about Latrina's crackbabies.

a second home in Maine and said that she might move there permanently because there aren't any blacks in the area

Lewistown Maine had a male nurse beheaded by a Somali moslem. Tell her to look for the tag Maine on Refugee Resettlement Watch.

"I’m a well-educated intellectual" and "I am very lower middle class." Wat.

At the beginning of the Obama economy I meet a PHD working at a movie rental store.

OT:Fake 7yo Syrian girl with better English than every black on the planet offers to be TRUMP's best friend. She should have gone for Wiener
https://www.yahoo.com/news/bana-alabed-asks-trump-help-syrian-children-if-you-can-i-will-be-your-best-friend-200209008.html

Blogger Johnny January 26, 2017 11:30 AM  

All value assertive social movements oppose tribalism to some extent, or end up covertly embracing it. The reason is that tribal identity is the other lure for social identity.

In the group of value assertive social movements there are. The politically active modern progressive stuff, the all the Jewish derived religious movements including Islam, and most or all nationalist movements.

Blogger Elizabeth January 26, 2017 11:34 AM  

Dexter wrote:Universalism is dead, because it only ever had appeal to a) white Anglo imperialists and b) Jewish globalists.

There are plenty of nauseating open-borders Catholics.


One of the reasons is because they see Latin American immigration as increasing the Catholic population in this country. Hispanics are more likely to attend Church. Catholic Charities makes money off of resettling refugees (thank you, George Bush for faith-bases initiatives).

Ironically enough, many Hispanics in Latin America and in the US are Protestants, typically Pentecostal.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Religion_in_Latin_America

Anonymous Edjamacator January 26, 2017 11:39 AM  

SouthRon wrote:Sho' 'nuf. She died at 34 while flying a poorly maintained Curtis without a seatbelt, lost control and was thrown 2,000' to the ground. It was found that a maintenance wrench had jammed the controls.


Sure it wasn't a monkey wrench?

Anonymous BluePony January 26, 2017 11:52 AM  

"Ironically enough, many Hispanics in Latin America and in the US are Protestants, typically Pentecostal."

Hmm. The ones here in enemy occupied California appear to be of the Mexican Mafia denomination, it I'm reading their sacramental tattoos correctly.

Blogger Frank Gappa January 26, 2017 11:57 AM  

Peter Brimelow captured this a few years back in this interview. He realized that eventually when pushed to the edge Whites would organize in a tribal fashion for their own interests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpua2feEUc8

Anonymous BluePony January 26, 2017 12:04 PM  

You know, I used to fantasize about the usual guy stuff involving, say, femme fatales of the 40s noir era.

Now I fantasize about stuff like this.

"Our next big project has to be to get Keith Ellison elected as head of the DNC."

I nearly had to excuse myself from the room when the news hit about Sally Boynton Brown claiming whites need to be shut down in the Party. I spread that one as far as I was able.

Anonymous PinochetsChopperPilot January 26, 2017 12:12 PM  

BluePony, I would assume a team of gamergate types have trolled the shit out of her email (since she broadcast it), double-bluing all the way...

"You go girl...I'm white and I have been WAITING for a strong, independent woman like you to get us white folks to finally shut up, move to the back of the bus and send in our money to our black, brown (and Mulsim!) brothers and sisters...keep speaking truth-"

#enoughWhitePrivilege@DNC
#WhiteFolkFundingDNCColor!

If any trolls are worth their weight, they will follow up in a month or so and note that:

"Upon further reflection, no offense, but we need you to publicly apologize for us, and your campaign, and then you need to (for us sister!) throw your support behind Keith Ellison! You know it's the right thing to do! PS: It wouldn't hurt to apologize for us white folks, again...just sayin'

love--white guy who gets it!

Anonymous old man in a villa January 26, 2017 12:19 PM  

I'm curious why he fails to articulate the pull of the left. He also seems to comletely ignore it's violent attributes while fretting over the ones that have yet to manifest from the alt-right side.

Never a lot of deep thinking with these folks. Rather it is always skin deep.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 26, 2017 12:22 PM  

vox
The speed with which the cucks and SJWs rush in to condemn men expressing even modest sympathies with their white identity is educational.

It's Rod Dreher's site. I'd be amazed if it were not infested with cucks and SJW's. It is remarkable to read anything other than the usual handwringing "Oh, dear, oh, dear, nothing can be done!", frankly.

Blogger Cail Corishev January 26, 2017 12:35 PM  

I'm curious why he fails to articulate the pull of the left.

The cuckservative takes it for granted that leftists are well-meaning, for the most part, so he doesn't see the need to articulate that. He may think their solutions are wrong, even dangerous, but he takes it as given that they want peace and love and all the stuff they say they want. He feels a kinship with them over those shared desires. He doesn't feel the same kinship with right-wingers, because right-wingers don't go around talking about how much they love everyone and have ideas that will bring peace on earth. In the cuckservative's eyes, we don't seem to care, and caring is very, very, very important to the cuckservative.

So, when leftists do something that seems cruel, the cuckservative gives them the benefit of the doubt and assumes that they were just misinformed or misled. If he can just get through to them with his superior ways, they will surely cotton on, because they want what he wants. Their caring harnessed to his conservative principles will work wonders in the world.

When he sees right-wingers doing something that appears cruel (to him), he assumes that they're just being cruel. It confirms what he already thought, that right-wingers don't care enough.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 26, 2017 12:46 PM  

vox
The speed with which the cucks and SJWs rush in to condemn men expressing even modest sympathies with their white identity is educational.

It's Rod Dreher's site, where I used to read and attempt to discuss things, until I realized that was a waste of time. I'd be amazed if it were not infested with cucks and SJW's. It is remarkable to read anything other than the usual handwringing "Oh, dear, oh, dear, nothing can be done!" jabber.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 26, 2017 12:47 PM  

vox
The speed with which the cucks and SJWs rush in to condemn men expressing even modest sympathies with their white identity is educational.

It's Rod Dreher's site, where I used to read and attempt to discuss things, until I realized that was a waste of time. I'd be amazed if it were not infested with cucks and SJW's. It is remarkable to read anything other than the usual handwringing "Oh, dear, oh, dear, nothing can be done!" jabber.

Blogger FUCK GOOGLE January 26, 2017 1:00 PM  

For a long time, I had relatively little real interaction with blacks. Then I got a job where most of the employees were black. I really had absolutely no idea how incredibly disfunctional blacks are in general. Even the few black employees that were doing better than any of their peers were still single moms with children from multiple men, or men who were constantly in and out of court for petty crime/child support. Of all the blacks I worked with who had children, none were married, and all constantly referred to their "baby daddy(ies)/baby momma" as if that were a normal thing instead of a huge insult.

It's also unbelievably eye-opening to your average indoctrinated white person who has been told that everyone is colorblind and race doesn't matter to actually find out that 90% of black people are openly and casually racist against white people. I left and got a better job within 3 months - yet that 3 months completely destroyed the previous 2 decades of public school/university "diversity" indoctrination I had been victimized by.

And it occurred to me that the leftists that pushed for this indoctrination to be in the curriculum and who oversaw its implementation had to know it was all a lie. It hit me like a ton of bricks how fucking evil they had to be to construct a civilization-wide web of propaganda, knowing how much damage it has done and will do. How many people had their lives ruined because they ignorantly believed the propaganda they had been taught, only to be disabused by violence or treachery?

After that, I lost all empathy with anyone who pushes "diversity" as a virtue. Send them to God and he will judge rightly.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 26, 2017 1:13 PM  

I worked for J&J, a firm whose managers literally slated promotions for "diversity candidates" and which held diversity seminars where >50% of the room was female, >15% of the room was black, and >20% of the room was "hispanic" (whatever that means.) My white male territory partner and I noted the irony.

Of course, given this discussion I guess I should have expected it. This bullshit dates back to when I was a kid.
http://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/the-dead-end-of-disparate-impact

Blogger Elizabeth January 26, 2017 1:43 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:I'm curious why he fails to articulate the pull of the left.

The cuckservative takes it for granted that leftists are well-meaning, for the most part, so he doesn't see the need to articulate that. He may think their solutions are wrong, even dangerous, but he takes it as given that they want peace and love and all the stuff they say they want. He feels a kinship with them over those shared desires. He doesn't feel the same kinship with right-wingers, because right-wingers don't go around talking about how much they love everyone and have ideas that will bring peace on earth. In the cuckservative's eyes, we don't seem to care, and caring is very, very, very important to the cuckservative.

So, when leftists do something that seems cruel, the cuckservative gives them the benefit of the doubt and assumes that they were just misinformed or misled. If he can just get through to them with his superior ways, they will surely cotton on, because they want what he wants. Their caring harnessed to his conservative principles will work wonders in the world.

When he sees right-wingers doing something that appears cruel (to him), he assumes that they're just being cruel. It confirms what he already thought, that right-wingers don't care enough.


You're correct. I've been pointing out to conservatives for years that liberals are not well-meaning, but, at best, are motivated by virtue-signalling. They may be motivated by self-interest or, at worst, the desire for revenge. They know what they are doing and don't need to be "educated." The cliched "liberal guilt" doesn't exist.

Anonymous Tipsy January 26, 2017 1:44 PM  

Elizabeth wrote:@43
The irony is that Moslems in many largely Moslem countries are probably the most clannish people on Earth due to high rates of cousin marriage.


A map of the worldwide incidence of consanguinuity illustrates this point. The root cause of this is polygamy in Islam.

I cannot emphasize this enough: Polygamy is evil. In its islamic form, it results in cousin marriages and honor killings. In its sub-Saharan African form, it results in infidelity, promiscuousness, and the proliferation of half-siblings. In both, it fosters tribalism, malevolence, and societal distrust.

Why the West wants to import these pathologies is beyond me.

Blogger Elizabeth January 26, 2017 1:54 PM  

FUCK GOOGLE wrote:For a long time, I had relatively little real interaction with blacks. Then I got a job where most of the employees were black. I really had absolutely no idea how incredibly disfunctional blacks are in general. Even the few black employees that were doing better than any of their peers were still single moms with children from multiple men, or men who were constantly in and out of court for petty crime/child support. Of all the blacks I worked with who had children, none were married, and all constantly referred to their "baby daddy(ies)/baby momma" as if that were a normal thing instead of a huge insult.

It's also unbelievably eye-opening to your average indoctrinated white person who has been told that everyone is colorblind and race doesn't matter to actually find out that 90% of black people are openly and casually racist against white people. I left and got a better job within 3 months - yet that 3 months completely destroyed the previous 2 decades of public school/university "diversity" indoctrination I had been victimized by.

And it occurred to me that the leftists that pushed for this indoctrination to be in the curriculum and who oversaw its implementation had to know it was all a lie. It hit me like a ton of bricks how fucking evil they had to be to construct a civilization-wide web of propaganda, knowing how much damage it has done and will do. How many people had their lives ruined because they ignorantly believed the propaganda they had been taught, only to be disabused by violence or treachery?

After that, I lost all empathy with anyone who pushes "diversity" as a virtue. Send them to God and he will judge rightly.


Where I used to work, I knew a 35-year-old black fellow in Office Services with 5 kids by 3 different women.

Liberals have been saying for years that "prejudice is ignorance." That's sometimes true, but it's also true that "familiarity breeds contempt." A person may be justified in fearing, despising or seeking to avoid particular groups of people. One of the many problems with anti-discrimination laws is the assumption that discrimination is irrational. It may not be.

Blogger Elizabeth January 26, 2017 2:33 PM  

Tipsy wrote:Elizabeth wrote:@43

The irony is that Moslems in many largely Moslem countries are probably the most clannish people on Earth due to high rates of cousin marriage.


A map of the worldwide incidence of consanguinuity illustrates this point. The root cause of this is polygamy in Islam.

I cannot emphasize this enough: Polygamy is evil. In its islamic form, it results in cousin marriages and honor killings. In its sub-Saharan African form, it results in infidelity, promiscuousness, and the proliferation of half-siblings. In both, it fosters tribalism, malevolence, and societal distrust.

Why the West wants to import these pathologies is beyond me.



Barring a massive war that kills off most of the male population, polygamy inevitably means that some men won't be able to find a mate. If there are 200 men and 200 women of marriageable age in a village, and 1 man has 2 wives, 1 man doesn't have a date on a Saturday night or any other night. This leads to the mania for segregating the sexes found in Moslem societies and attempts by love-lorn bachelors to seduce married women in much of non-Moslem Africa.

It's been long known that marriage civilizes men - it channels the greater male aggressiveness into a socially and personally useful direction. It gives a man a stake in a peaceful, well-functioning society. There's a father in the house. Monogamy is also democratic - one wife to a customer. Even a poor man can find a wife. In a polygamous society, the rich will scoop up women, leaving some men alone. This may create resentment towards the rich. It also gives a man the incentive to go to war in the hope of getting a woman.

Here's a piece by the great Steven Sailer:

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2002/01/17/Feature-The-problem-with-polygamy/83131011296548/

Anonymous Tipsy January 26, 2017 3:17 PM  

Elizabeth wrote:
It's been long known that marriage civilizes men


It civilizes women as well, as William Tucker notes in the article linked above:

Family values are basically the belief that monogamy is the most peaceful and progressive way of organizing a human society. Dislike and distaste for anything that challenges the monogamous contract easy divorce, widespread pornography, legalized prostitution, out-of-wedlock child bearing, blatant homosexuality-are not just narrow or prudish concerns. They come from an intelligent recognition that the monogamous contract is a fragile institution that can easily unravel if dissaffections become too widespread.

What is likely to happen if we abandon these values? People will go on reproducing, you can be sure of that. But families won't be formed ("litters" might be a more appropriate term). And the human beings that are produced in these litters will not be quite the same either. If marriage is a compromise between men and women, then the breakdown of monogamy can only let loose the natural egocentrisms of both.


Thanks for the Sailer link - I'll take a look.

Blogger tz January 26, 2017 3:20 PM  

@72 I feel sorry for the intellectuals and shriekers on our side, oh what fun they are missing.

They aren't on our side, they are either cucks or moderates.

Blogger tz January 26, 2017 3:32 PM  

@64 White women, for reasons explained in previous comments, simply are lagging behind white men in embracing identity politics. Given the lightning speed with which the men are coming to accept ethnic nationalism, the same rapid acceptance likely will happen to the women.

See Molyneux' take on the million slut walk.

It will be harder for women. Men have the legal oppression, Women still not only have to abandon the crazy leftism, but the Grrrl power where they went into debt and arts and what passes for a career. The second red-pill is harder to swallow. Not that being a wife and "mommy" is easy, only that women will be happier.

I have no idea how to help black women because they are often mothers without husbands - for 4 generations. And they've ruined their MMV.

Women are the key to the restoration though. It isn't so much MGTOW, but men refusing to follow women into the feminist hookup and career culture.

It isn't mere hypergamy, but it used to be the women trying to find the best Father, and men competing on that basis. Now it is just status for a one night stand.

Blogger S. Misanthrope January 26, 2017 3:34 PM  

From my vaguely liberal hipster roommate (who is a non-white immigrant "citizen of the world") the other day:
"I watched Richard Spencer's speech where he supposedly gave that Nazi salute. He wasn't saying anything more than what every minority group says when they feel unempowered. I don't get why this surprises people."

Blogger tz January 26, 2017 3:44 PM  

@61 Catholic = Universal as in Church, but the Irish and Poles were apart, so you can have "diversity" but not - proximity isn't quite the correct term, more like attempted integration. If the Catholic Church insisted that St. Patrick's be torn down for Martin De Pore's you'd see an even worse reaction. I forget the name of the Marian church in Hamtramck (Detroit) that was sold to GM for their Poletown plant. That almost caused an insurrection.

In a recent Tom Woods podcast the head of the Mises institute got that we had to have subsidiarity, so if CA wants to be socialist, let them, but let other states that want to be independent do so.

Even for the US, a "nation state" needs to be small, or at least not interfere in cultural minutiae, much as the Church has a number of rules and regs for the church but there is a line. Diversity is not homogenization.

One of the big counter-productive Lefty policies was when Judges (we don't need no steenkin democracy) imposed cross-town busing to integrate schools. This is rarely mentioned, but it caused white-flight and where there was already some integration, it reversed into far worse segregation. Detroit, Boston, Baltimore, and other cities are almost dead as a result. Zimbabwe and South Africa writ small and decades earlier.

Blogger Elizabeth January 26, 2017 4:29 PM  

Tipsy wrote:Elizabeth wrote:

It's been long known that marriage civilizes men


It civilizes women as well, as William Tucker notes in the article linked above:

Family values are basically the belief that monogamy is the most peaceful and progressive way of organizing a human society. Dislike and distaste for anything that challenges the monogamous contract easy divorce, widespread pornography, legalized prostitution, out-of-wedlock child bearing, blatant homosexuality-are not just narrow or prudish concerns. They come from an intelligent recognition that the monogamous contract is a fragile institution that can easily unravel if dissaffections become too widespread.

What is likely to happen if we abandon these values? People will go on reproducing, you can be sure of that. But families won't be formed ("litters" might be a more appropriate term). And the human beings that are produced in these litters will not be quite the same either. If marriage is a compromise between men and women, then the breakdown of monogamy can only let loose the natural egocentrisms of both.


Thanks for the Sailer link - I'll take a look.


You're welcome.

I still haven't gotten around to reading this book by William Tucker:

https://www.amazon.com/Marriage-Civilization-Monogamy-Made-Human/dp/1621572013

After the Russian Revolution, the Bolsheviks promoted what they called "free love" - easy divorce and abortion, legalized homosexuality - but quickly reversed themselves and the official Soviet culture became quite puritanical. They were quite tough on gays, lesbians and druggies even in the 1980s. Some ways of living work and some don't.

Blogger Avalanche January 26, 2017 5:07 PM  

@61 "Catholicism and Orthodoxy. They have shown that universalism is possible and possible over a long period of time. St. Patrick's can exist right down the street from Our Lady of Czestochowa."

?? Except there is a strong desire on the part of many "Brits" to send the Poles packing back to their own country! There is no "universalist peace" between them; there is a "immvasion" into Britain forced by their overlords -- NOT a Catholic communion of happy tribalists all singing from the same hymnal!

Blogger SteelPalm January 26, 2017 5:36 PM  

Yep, even some "goodwhites", per John Derbyshire's excellent nomenclature, are suddenly realizing that the Alt Right sounds mighty attractive compared to what is coming for them on the New Left.

And that is indeed why the Alt Right will last. It's very imperfect and a has a litany of problems.

However, it's the only viable alternative we have at this time.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 26, 2017 6:02 PM  

Elizabeth wrote:

Where I used to work, I knew a 35-year-old black fellow in Office Services with 5 kids by 3 different women.


I knew a 42-year-old White woman with 5 kids by 5 men, none of them married to her. You could actually look at ehr kids lined up and see her declining SMV; White, White, Hispanic, Asian, Black, cat, cat, cat and an "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" poster.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 26, 2017 6:19 PM  

@88 Elizabeth
It's been long known that marriage civilizes men - it channels the greater male aggressiveness into a socially and personally useful direction.

Men build civilization. Women socialize.

Marriage socializes men, we are generally civilized before then. A female civilization would consist of grass huts in a circle around one Big Man's larger hut, that was built for him by the women.

Another great feature of the alt Right is realism about what women are, and thus are capable of, and not capable of.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 26, 2017 6:22 PM  

@96 Steel Palm
Yep, even some "goodwhites", per John Derbyshire's excellent nomenclature,

Do you recall when he first started using that term? I would really like to read whatever essay introduced it. Because it reminds me of the Berzerkers series by the late Fred Saberhagen: the worst dregs of humanity, the most damaged, the most perverse, who sold out to the killer machines were termed Goodlife.

Such an apt term no matter what the lineage.

Anonymous Tipsy January 26, 2017 7:04 PM  

Elizabeth wrote:
After the Russian Revolution, the Bolsheviks promoted what they called "free love" - easy divorce and abortion, legalized homosexuality - but quickly reversed themselves and the official Soviet culture became quite puritanical. They were quite tough on gays, lesbians and druggies even in the 1980s. Some ways of living work and some don't.


Yep. Destroy the family and the individual is naked and powerless before the almighty state.

Engels promoted abortion on demand for that very reason. Interestingly, he was merely the second author in Europe to propose it. The first? Marquis de Sade in la philosophie dans le boudoir.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 26, 2017 7:09 PM  

@PinochetsChopperPilot

"To be honest, I think it's noble that so many women like you get up at 5am, do that long commute, and work so hard, so that we can all pay more taxes and help support the women from poorer countries coming here with hardships and children". Insert Somalia or whatever for effect.

I like it. That's even better than telling the White woman with a mulatto child: "What a beautiful baby! And she looks SO much like you!"

Plus your targets are more salvagable.

Blogger Harold January 26, 2017 7:11 PM  

Elizabeth January 26, 2017 1:54 PM
Where I used to work, I knew a 35-year-old black fellow in Office Services with 5 kids by 3 different women.


And I'll bet dollars to doughnuts he bragged about what a great father he was. Because I've seen the same thing. What I'm surprised at, though, is 5 kids by 3 women instead of 5 and 5. If I were him, I'd DNA test the extra kids. That doesn't sound right....

Blogger Escoffier January 26, 2017 7:15 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:Another

I remarked to my wife a couple of weeks ago that witnessing the left’s histrionics for the past several months has made me more racist, more sexist, and more homophobic than I ever would’ve been otherwise.

pyrrhus wrote:Another What follows from all of this cannot bode well.


So long as you are becoming more consonant with reality it honestly bodes very well. That's the question, is your perspective becoming more or less attuned with reality or less so? it sounds to me like you are becoming more reality based and while this process can be uncomfortable it is a very good thing.

As I never attended any of the advanced communist training camps, and I'm just kind of an asshole, it fascinates me just how deep the hooks go, and man oh man they go deep. It's called conditioning you should work to eliminate it not make excuses for it.

Blogger tz January 26, 2017 8:05 PM  

Marquis de Sade in la philosophie dans le boudoir.
Ah, an enlightenment philosopher. Helps explain the French revolution.

Liberals have been saying for years that "prejudice is ignorance."
That is actually true. But looking at the hard evidence and drawing conclusions so you are NOT ignorant means you aren't prejudiced either - Stefan Molyneux has been fighting on that field. There IS human biodiversity, but instead of admitting it and helping those less well endowed genetically succeed, we tend to make the environment worse so they are likely to do far worse than they would have otherwise.

Anonymous Anonymous January 26, 2017 8:37 PM  

To be a little fair, her mechanic/publicity agent was supposedly white, and he also died.
"William D. Wills, the young white mechanic-pilot who flew her plane to her from Love Field, made three forced landings en route. Two local pilots who witnessed his touchdown at Jacksonville's Paxon Field said later that the Jenny was so worn and so poorly maintained they couldn't understand how it made it all the way from Dallas.
Read more at http://biography.yourdictionary.com/bessie-coleman#5r0jZ1rVQfK4rWH0.99"

That's the only thing I found mentioning his race, and there's no pics or any other evidence.

Still, the fact is she was a professional aviator, in an age when pilots generally fixed their own planes, who trusted the advice of someone who was clearly incompetent. She's also only being lauded for being the first black ___, not for being a particularly good ___, which is only noteworthy because it proves blacks are not completely incapable of ___.

Anonymous Marvin Boggs January 26, 2017 8:52 PM  

@8: I assume that "rap" is an abbreviation of a four letter word that begins with "c" and ends with "rap".

That said, rap is useful for identifying low IQ, low class individuals.

Blogger Nathan January 27, 2017 6:39 AM  

Vox,

Re: "an Anglo-American state" vs civil nationalism, why is it that we are now at the point where the distinctions among Europeans (i.e. British vs. German vs. Swedish vs. Irish vs. Polish) no longer matter? They were different tribes right? Or do these distinctions still matter, but because of the "common enemy" they are in the background for now? If white is now a "tribe" in America, is it stable? Is there the possibility of that "tribe" being expanded in any way that does not wholly sync with skin color and race? Perhaps due to another common enemy or something else?

Hope you see this and are kind enough to respond.

+Nathan

Anonymous Discard January 27, 2017 9:18 AM  

106. Nathan: Speaking for myself, as a British-German-Swedish-Irish-Polish-American, what tribe do I have, except "White"? Blame my great-grandparents.

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