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Monday, January 16, 2017

Happy Robert E. Lee Day

From Men of the West:
Today, according to Google, is Robert E. Lee Day.    As proven in the screen shot above, Google’s desktop version is reporting the holiday not as honoring Martin Luther King Jr, but Robert E. Lee.
That would actually make for a potentially effective meme next year. Instead of celebrating the sacred martyr of an alien tribe, celebrate a true American and a heroic man of Virginia and the South.

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Anonymous Discard January 16, 2017 4:55 PM  

My uncle, born in Washington state and the descendant of Union veterans, was named after him. Some models of the M-3 tank were known as "Lees". Which demonstrates that he was a national icon, not only a Southern hero.

Blogger Ezekiel January 16, 2017 4:55 PM  

That, or remind the dindus that the government on whom they now depend so heavily may or may not have had a hand in killing their martyr.

(I think the Memphis Mob whacked him myself, but blaming the CIA for it works from a rhetorical perspective.)

Blogger Silly But True January 16, 2017 5:00 PM  

People might forget it every so often but the South still knows you don't fuck with the General: https://www.google.com/amp/s/wdsu.relaymedia.com/amp/article/former-confederate-monument-contractor-finds-200k-lamborghini-burned-1/3383873

Blogger Michael Maier January 16, 2017 5:03 PM  

Ezekiel wrote:That, or remind the dindus that the government on whom they now depend so heavily may or may not have had a hand in killing their martyr.

(I think the Memphis Mob whacked him myself, but blaming the CIA for it works from a rhetorical perspective.)


WHY WOULD ELVIS KILL MLK????

Anonymous kmadison1 January 16, 2017 5:09 PM  

Lee-Jackson Day was last week. Two of the greatest Americans ever. Bravo Vox!

OpenID brefaucheux January 16, 2017 5:16 PM  

I approve!

Blogger Nate January 16, 2017 5:19 PM  

Can you imagine how horrified the SJWs at google are over this?

Blogger Bard January 16, 2017 5:23 PM  

I demand a REL BLVD in every city.

Blogger Billy January 16, 2017 5:27 PM  

Teddy Roosevelt called him "the finest gentlemen who ever drew breath." I mean fuck, thats a compliment

Blogger dc.sunsets January 16, 2017 5:29 PM  

Instead of the Lord's Prayer, of course, we're expected to recite the catechism of Homogenous Diversity while facing south toward Selma and invoking the name of the Prophet King, Jr., PBUH.

Recognizing this is a theocracy explains everything AFAIC.

Blogger Billy January 16, 2017 5:29 PM  

There has never been – nor will there ever be – a mortal man more admired, more esteemed, or more revered than Robert E Lee. His enemies were few, his friends legion. By war’s end, he was already a legend. He had become the embodiment of the South, and his name synonymous with it. He was the soldier-statesman, and the ultimate hero of th Lost Cause. Today, he is, without a doubt, the fundamental southern hero.”

Blogger Michael Maier January 16, 2017 5:32 PM  

TP with MLK's name on it isn't worthy of wiping my arse.

Blogger cheddarman January 16, 2017 5:33 PM  

A great Christian warrior!

Blogger pyrrhus January 16, 2017 5:35 PM  

A great man, if a poor strategist. If only Stonewall had lived....

Anonymous Mark Auld January 16, 2017 5:44 PM  

He wasn't a poor strategist until Gettysburg, and he acknowledged it the next morning.Until then,he ate the Yankees lunch.

Anonymous Jamie January 16, 2017 5:44 PM  

The great General never beat up a prostitute like Saint Martin liked to do.

Blogger VD January 16, 2017 5:45 PM  

First, don't post OT, Pyrrhus. Second, that appears to be fake. There is no link to the actual Wikileaks email, which is a pretty reliable indicator of a fake claim about Wikileaks.

Blogger LES January 16, 2017 5:45 PM  

Addressing mail to Martin Luther Blvd will still get it delivered.

Anonymous Desert Rat January 16, 2017 5:49 PM  

I have always held Robert E. Lee as a role model of what it means to be a truly honorable man. He was five times the man King could ever hope to be.

Anonymous Cadwallander J January 16, 2017 5:51 PM  

Pyrrhus - man do you have a perfect handle to comment on Lee's poor strategy. Jackson fundamentally understood the warfare of the day far better than Lee. The firearms at the time had advanced to a degree that precluded any successful breaching of a fortified position, and even in victorious engagements, Lee lost far too many men.

That said, Lee was the epitome of the honorable southerner. Better to have been the Confederate president, IMHO.

Anonymous Philalethes January 16, 2017 6:00 PM  

Hmm. That's why no mail today; I'd forgotten about the holiday.

One of the commenters at the link thinks the screen cap is photoshopped. I did a Google search for "Academy Sports", apparently what the author of the blog did, and got the location of a store in my area, with the note "Martin Luther King, Jr. Day might affect these hours."

So I did a search for "Academy Sports Alabama", where the author is apparently located, and got a map showing central Alabama (Birmingham - Montgomery) with the same note.

So I tried "Academy Sports Mobile Alabama" (what the blogger seemed to have been searching for) and got a map showing a location in Mobile, with the note "Martin Luther King Jr. Day/Robert E. Lee's Birthday might affect these hours."

I tried to duplicate the blogger's search (as shown in the screen cap) but got nothing – an empty page.

Anyway, at least some searches come up with Lee, even if paired with King. Interesting. I wonder what other locations summon up Robert E. Lee, either with King or by himself?

Blogger Beowulf the Geat January 16, 2017 6:01 PM  

Deo Vindice, Mr. Lee.

Anonymous Gee G January 16, 2017 6:03 PM  

Lee: Fine General. But one of those loathsome sort that sought to interpret the Bible in such a way to justify the moral evil he knew slavery to be:

"How long their (slaves)servitude may be necessary is known and ordered by a merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild and melting influences of Christianity than from the storm and tempest of fiery controversy."

I wonder if he recognized the fiery controversy that he lost so badly to be a result of His merciful providence? I'm guessing not. Not because it wasn't, but because that's not how hypocrites see things.

Anonymous Anonymous January 16, 2017 6:11 PM  

The State of Alabama has long observed Robert E. Lee's birthday as a state holiday. In more recent times, they simply added MLK's birthday to the stated reason for the holiday. They share the same birthday so it was easy for them to do.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 16, 2017 6:15 PM  

Silly But True wrote:People might forget it every so often but the South still knows you don't fuck with the General: https://www.google.com/amp/s/wdsu.relaymedia.com/amp/article/former-confederate-monument-contractor-finds-200k-lamborghini-burned-1/3383873

Well, since the contractor is being sued by employees of his lawn care business for failure to pay overtime or payroll taxes, I'd say there's a very good chance Jose and Emilio torched his expensive car.


Shame that a Lamborghini had to die to make the point, though.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 16, 2017 6:18 PM  

Gee G wrote:I'm guessing not. Not because it wasn't, but because that's not how hypocrites see things.
Anything else you want to tell us about the interior state of a man who died a hundred years before you were born?

What a fucking asshat you are. "Does this ass on my head make me look fat?"
Yes. Yes it does.

Anonymous Gee G January 16, 2017 6:22 PM  

"Anything else you want to tell us about the interior state of a man who died a hundred years before you were born?"

It's not necessary. Lee's loathsomeness tells the story.

Anonymous deplorable six pan January 16, 2017 6:22 PM  

@Gee G:

You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 16, 2017 6:26 PM  

What single piece of evidence do you have for his perfidy and loathsomeness, besides he was on the side you dislike?

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett January 16, 2017 6:26 PM  

Gee, Gee G. You seem semiliterate. The quote you offer has nothing to do with Scriptural exegesis.

You don't need to show anyone what lowlife imbeciles Yankees can be.

Anonymous Gee G January 16, 2017 6:38 PM  

"Gee, Gee G. You seem semiliterate. The quote you offer has nothing to do with Scriptural exegesis"

The Bible is the Word, is it not. So, let's assume that Gen. Lee, like other Christians, takes his understanding of God from that WORD. And here we have Gen. Lee asserting that slavery is "ordered" by God. That's convenient for someone who would rather fight to preserve slavery rather than properly oppose its continued existence. Oddly, though, we have no indication that Lee understood the South being smashed in the Civil War as part of what God ordered.

Loathsome hypocrite he was indeed.

Blogger mgh January 16, 2017 6:40 PM  

In Alabama, today is legally Robert E. Lee-MLK Day. Lee Day came first and they tacked on MLK when the Feds passed it.

Blogger Matamoros January 16, 2017 6:42 PM  

Happy Robert E. Lee Day to all!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 16, 2017 6:44 PM  

Regarding the letter you cite above;
Have you read the whole letter?
Do you realize that Lee is writing about the abolitionists who were attempting to stir up a slave rebellion or a civil war? That Lee believed the inevitable results of the abolitionists efforts would redound not only to the detriments of Whites, but to Blacks as well? That Lee was proven correct in the actual event?

Oh, but you revel in the death of a half million Americans. well, really, many, many many more, because the official death toll for the Civil War do not include the thousands starved, burned and murdered, nor even the deaths of tens of thousands of slaves occasioned by Northern war crimes. Nor does the death toll encompass the millions of lives and fortunes ruined. Nor does it include the death of the Constitutional Republic that perished on the fields of Bull Run.

But that's all fine because now Blacks are free to shoot each other in the streets, consume incredible quantities of drugs, live on the charity of Whites, and spawn enough bastards to overwhelm the nation.

Go on, call me a raaaaacist, you shallow-minded loathsome hypocrite. You know you want to.

Blogger Kenny January 16, 2017 6:47 PM  

If black people are an Alien tribe how are white people not as both black and white Americans have been in the States for the same amount of time. Or do years spent as a slave mean that somehow you aren't in America

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 16, 2017 6:48 PM  

Gee G wrote:And here we have Gen. Lee asserting that slavery is "ordered" by God. That's convenient for someone who would rather fight to preserve slavery rather than properly oppose its continued existence.
Demonstrate that slavery was not part of the order of the world. From scripture.

Of course, you misuse the order "order" as if it meant "command" in this instance. Because you are a liar.

I do note that you do not argue as a Christian. You argue as a an Atheist or Jew telling Christians what real Christianity is.

I hate when Atheists and Jews try to tell me what I believe.

Anonymous Gee G January 16, 2017 6:48 PM  

"Do you realize that Lee is writing about the abolitionists who were attempting to stir up a slave rebellion or a civil war?"

Yes, I do. Lee preferred there be no abolition of slavery and no slave uprising. He preferred blacks to remain slaves until God ordered otherwise. Well, I guess God did him some ordering when the North let loose with some whoopass on folks like Lee the Loser.

Anonymous Gee G January 16, 2017 6:50 PM  

"I hate when Atheists and Jews try to tell me what I believe"

Me too.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 16, 2017 6:50 PM  

Kenny wrote:If black people are an Alien tribe how are white people not as both black and white Americans have been in the States for the same amount of time. Or do years spent as a slave mean that somehow you aren't in America
If you had the IQ to follow the discussion, you'd know that "American" does not mean "resident in North America for x years" but rather "a member of the nation of English settlers that created the United States as an expression of their political culture."

But you don't, so I don't even expect you to follow the sentence.

Blogger Kenny January 16, 2017 6:52 PM  

@36 Why do they keep saying the alt-right are neo-nazis????!??

Anonymous Discard January 16, 2017 6:52 PM  

Gee G, you ignorant cunt: Robert E. Lee freed the slaves he had inherited before the war. He fought for his native state, Virginia, not for slavery.

Blogger Kenny January 16, 2017 6:52 PM  

@37 if only you could cut the bullshit and just say "Only white people can be Americans"

Blogger liberranter January 16, 2017 6:53 PM  

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Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 16, 2017 6:53 PM  

Gee G wrote:Yes, I do. Lee preferred there be no abolition of slavery and no slave uprising. He preferred blacks to remain slaves until God ordered otherwise. Well, I guess God did him some ordering when the North let loose with some whoopass on folks like Lee the Loser.
Again, deliberately misusing the the word "order" in order to continue your lie. Stop doing that.
He preferred orderly society to civil war. As any rational person would. Which I guess explains why you don't.
He also knew the end result of a general slave revolt would have been the genocide of Blacks. But that's better than not signalling your virtue, isn't it, faggot?

Blogger Salt January 16, 2017 6:54 PM  

Robert E. Lee Day. Yup. Hell, Rhode Island still celebrates VJ Day. All your holidays belong to us.

Anonymous Gee G January 16, 2017 6:54 PM  

"Gee G, you ignorant cunt: Robert E. Lee freed the slaves he had inherited before the war. He fought for his native state, Virginia, not for slavery."

But was happy to see blacks enslaved until God ordered otherwise. #coward. But, I guess his getting his ass beat was so ordered by God?

Blogger Kenny January 16, 2017 6:55 PM  

@42 how come these faggots keep saying the alt-right are homophobes???

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 16, 2017 6:55 PM  

Kenny wrote:if only you could cut the bullshit and just say "Only white people can be Americans"
If only you'd cut the bullshit and go live among some Blacks for a while.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 16, 2017 6:55 PM  

Gee G wrote:But was happy to see blacks enslaved until God ordered otherwise. #coward. But, I guess his getting his ass beat was so ordered by God?
Again with the lie. Stop lying.

Blogger LES January 16, 2017 6:56 PM  

Gee G, I can't find where the Bible says that slavery is wrong. Onesimus was a slave.

There were 15 slave states when the South seceded over tariffs.
Seven states seceded leaving eight slave states in the Union.
When Lincoln decided war was his solution to secession four slave states joined the South leaving four slave states in the North. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation didn't free the slaves in the North.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 16, 2017 6:56 PM  

Kenny wrote:@42 how come these faggots keep saying the alt-right are homophobes???
How come you love taking up the ass?

Blogger liberranter January 16, 2017 6:56 PM  

He wasn't a poor strategist until Gettysburg, and he acknowledged it the next morning.Until then,he ate the Yankees lunch.

Lee's downfall was in believing that the Confederacy could fight a Second Generation war like the Union was fighting, without the economy, logistics, or infrastructure with which to make that a viable option. If Lee had held up John Singleton Mosby, Jubal Early, and William Quantrill as examples of how to fight a war against the invading Yankees and convinced the Confederacy to reorganize its military doctrine along purely defensive lines accordingly, things might have turned out entirely differently. This is not to say that the South would ultimately have won the war, but a Yankee victory would have taken much longer and been much costlier if the South had waged 4GW, as they were best positioned to do.

Anonymous Gee G January 16, 2017 6:57 PM  

"Again, deliberately misusing the the word "order" in order to continue your lie. Stop doing that.
He preferred orderly society to civil war. As any rational person would. Which I guess explains why."

Naw.....we are taking about that moral coward, Lee. Not me, as you'd like to. Why do you want to put your dick in my ass?

Anonymous NotGump January 16, 2017 6:57 PM  

Gee G,

For the record the biography of Lee that I read stated that Lee believed slavery was contrary to the gospel of Christ, and that the spread of genuine Christianity throughout the US would lead the slave owners to free their slaves willingly.

He fought to defend Virginia because Virginia decided to leave the Union and join the Confederacy after Lincoln called for volunteers to subdue the Confederacy after the Fort Sumter "event".

Blogger Kenny January 16, 2017 6:58 PM  

@46 I'm from America, even though I'm in London, but nice try disqualifying. Also there are black people here, go figure!

Blogger liberranter January 16, 2017 6:58 PM  

If only you could cut the bullshit and just say "Only white people can be Americans"

If blacks would start living like civilized human beings, then maybe they could become Americans too.

Anonymous Discard January 16, 2017 6:58 PM  

33. Kenny: Blacks are an alien tribe because they either choose to not be like us or they can't be like us. They are, by and large, too stupid, lazy, horny, violent, and careless to fit into 19th Century society, let alone the 21st Century. As Paul Kersey of SBPDL says, they are obsolete farm equipment. Unfortunate, but true.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 16, 2017 6:59 PM  

Gee G wrote:Naw.....we are taking about that moral coward, Lee. Not me, as you'd like to. Why do you want to put your dick in my ass?
You're the coward and a liar.
Stop dreaming. Sorry, I don't swing that way.

Blogger Kenny January 16, 2017 6:59 PM  

@49 I don't like taking it up the ass, that's a weird assumption. A bit preoccupied with gay sex huh?

Anonymous Luke January 16, 2017 6:59 PM  

Kenny #37, I will quote to you from the U.S. Constitution:

http://www.beholdonline.info/essays/preamble.html
"WE THE PEOPLE of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." Preamble of the United States Constitution, 1787.

...the men that framed the Preamble and the Constitution were all of the white race and the Christian faith."

"POSTERITY -- 1. Descendants; children, children's children, &c. indefinitely; the race that proceeds from the progenitor... ." An American Dictionary of the English Language, Noah Webster (1828)

That is the deal under which the U.S. was set up, and it has NEVER legally been set aside under the only procedures (Constitutional Convention or amendment) that could overturn it. If someone doesn't like that deal, there are Greyhounds going into Mexico every day.

Blogger Kenny January 16, 2017 6:59 PM  

@33 I can't imagine why the alt-right are called neo-nazis... truly it's comletely out of left field.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett January 16, 2017 7:00 PM  

@29. In the quote you provide, Lee is not claiming slavery was ordered by God. Nothing of the sort. Learn to read.

And don't let your Mama catch you on her computer.

Blogger Billy January 16, 2017 7:01 PM  

To Kenny and GeeG. Fuck You and Fuck You.

Blogger Kenny January 16, 2017 7:02 PM  

@58 Your word salad just speaks to your confused mind. Just say outloud that you hate non-whites and simplify your argument to your own level.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 16, 2017 7:03 PM  

Kenny, I assume you're gay because you're more concerned about appearance than truth.
You're also a low-T low-IQ punk, but that's probably not your own fault.
If you're living in London, you're not living among American Blacks. Try it some time. They are not the same tribe, the same culture, the same nation as Whites, and there's no use pretending they are. Hell, they intentionally corrupted their language to emphasize the cultural difference.

Anonymous Mathias January 16, 2017 7:05 PM  

@62

You sound like you are rolling a d20 against a table of logical fallacies. Try coming up with an argument that is relevant to the responses you are receiving.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 16, 2017 7:05 PM  

I can't imagine why Kenny is called a bathhouse troll... truly it's completely out of left field.

Blogger Kenny January 16, 2017 7:05 PM  

I've never had my Ts counted, so I don't know if I have a rebuttal to your WATER TIGHT argument, but I have had my IQ tested and I'm sure it's double yours. And I have lived with "American Blacks" as well as "American Neo-Nazis" and I definitely know which I prefer.

Anonymous Discard January 16, 2017 7:09 PM  

44. G Spot: By what reasoning do you assume that a man who frees his own slaves is happy that other men keep their slaves? Had you a brain in your head you'd see that manumission was an act consistent with opposition to slavery, and the farthest thing from hypocrisy. You ignorant cunt.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 16, 2017 7:11 PM  

Kenny wrote:'ve never had my Ts counted, so I don't know if I have a rebuttal to your WATER TIGHT argument, but I have had my IQ tested and I'm sure it's double yours. And I have lived with "American Blacks" as well as "American Neo-Nazis" and I definitely know which I prefer.

I count 4 lies.
You do know you have no rebuttal.
Your IQ is definitely lower than the average here.
You have never lived in a Black community.
You have never lived with Neo-Nazis.

I have no doubt you know which you prefer, but that's because you're willing to rationalize rape, theft, robbery, murder, violent assault, filth, disease and adopt self-loathing rather than think clearly and risk bad thoughts.

Because you're a virtue-signalling moron.

Blogger Kenny January 16, 2017 7:13 PM  

My brother is in jail for murdering a black woman and has an iron cross on hiss chest. Is that neo nazi enough for you?

It's so funny how you guys got your shitty wish with Trump and still aren't happy

Anonymous Luke January 16, 2017 7:13 PM  

So, Kenny, tell us what you like most about Detroit?

(It's the place chronicled in the Marchand's photo book "The Ruins of Detroit", if memory fails you.)

Blogger Kenny January 16, 2017 7:15 PM  

I've never been, but what I like most about Detroit is Motown Records

Blogger Bogey January 16, 2017 7:15 PM  

Checking social media today, everyone's coming out to say "not racist" now Kenny comes into the lion's den to shout raciss! This day just keeps giving.

Anonymous Discard January 16, 2017 7:17 PM  

Kenny is too stupid to recognize the difference between racists and National Socialists. Racists are White progressves who live in mostly White neighborhoods, whereas Nazis are dead guys from 70 years ago.

Blogger Kenny January 16, 2017 7:18 PM  

I'm here as an SF fan who had read a bit of castalia houses blog and enjoyed it til the racist overtones became unignorable. My very low twitter followers will not be impressed

Blogger Kenny January 16, 2017 7:19 PM  

@discard just keep moving those goal posts pal

Blogger Bob Loblaw January 16, 2017 7:21 PM  

I'm no Southerner, but I have a lot of respect for Lee. He was offered command of the union armies but decided to fight for his people in a cause that was clearly hopeless once the states chose a side.

Anonymous Discard January 16, 2017 7:25 PM  

When I was a schoolteacher, some of the White kids really swallowed the Whites-are-racist-guiltyguiltyguilty line, and their heroic fantasies showed it. Instead of daydreaming about being rock stars or models, they liked to imagine themselves as bravely defending their Black friends from evil racists. Kids like Kenny, who has fantasized himself a Neo-Nazi brother who murdered a Black woman. Now he will be the Great Avenger of oppressed Negroes, and all the cute White girls will fuss over him. (Splooge)

Blogger LES January 16, 2017 7:29 PM  

The Civil War was not about slavery and WW2 was not about the Holocaust.

Anonymous Discard January 16, 2017 7:30 PM  

75. Kenny: No goal posts being moved. I am a racist, just like all those progressives who put their kids in private schools, not a Neo-Nazi.
Don't call me a Nazi. A German with an Iron Cross once bombed my uncle's unit and killed some White guys.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros January 16, 2017 7:30 PM  

Kenny wrote:@37 if only you could cut the bullshit and just say "Only white people can be Americans"

Looooool. You're new here, I can see.

Blogger Chris Mallory January 16, 2017 7:30 PM  

Kenny wrote:@37 if only you could cut the bullshit and just say "Only white people can be Americans"

It isn't "only white people". It is "only those of us descended from the British Protestants who founded the United States". But we can make a small concession, if your paternal ancestor was a citizen in 1800, you can be an American. If not, no you might have US citizenship but you will never be an American.

Blogger Kenny January 16, 2017 7:30 PM  

@discard I don't think arguing on a blogspot blog could ever be as important as that. To be honest I don't even know why I am doing this, part of me thinks that maybe you guys deep down know how evil your opinions are and occasionally running into someone who calls it out will shake something loose and you may confront the paranoid fear you live under and declare as intelligence and power.

Of course I can never do that but there'd be no posts on the internet without ego.

And unfortunately I haven't made up my lost brother. I wish to God I had

Anonymous Jay Will January 16, 2017 7:31 PM  

If MAGA requires the destruction of Europe and Russia then I feel sure that the American Spirit is strong enough to do what needs to be done.

Another blog commented that the big wars were utterly destructive. This is COMPLETELY WRONG. The European economies recovered very quickly, their pussified men were easier to manage. It was a RESOUNDING SUCCESS. More wars, if they are manageable, are ESSENTIAL to progress.

I look forward to the further destruction of the human spirit in the interests of humanity. And Americans can feel most proud that they will be at the forefront.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 16, 2017 7:36 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:But that's all fine because now Blacks are free to shoot each other in the streets, consume incredible quantities of drugs, live on the charity of Whites, and spawn enough bastards to overwhelm the nation.

Go on, call me a raaaaacist, you shallow-minded loathsome hypocrite. You know you want to.


Snidely, you're wonderfully raaaaacist. You're a role model for us all.

I think I'm going to call you Snidely Whoopass.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros January 16, 2017 7:40 PM  

" To be honest I don't even know why I am doing this, part of me thinks that maybe you guys deep down know how evil your opinions are"

Oh god. Oh no. We believe that ignoring the actual differences between humans in favor of some utopian fantasy will not realize that utopia, but said efforts will instead cause great misery and bloody war, and we don't want that?

How evil.

I mean, that's sort of vaguely like why the Nazi KKK did the lynching Holocaust.

Blogger Billy January 16, 2017 7:42 PM  

I can't believe we fell for it. Let this faggot troll Kenny hijack a beautiful thread celebrating Robert E Lee. Even Google recognizes his greatness. Kenny I hope you burn in a fiery hell for eternity. Absent men, only women so you'll truly be in a faggot hell.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 16, 2017 7:45 PM  

Kenny wrote:And unfortunately I haven't made up my lost brother.

I'm sorry about your brother's misfortune. You have obviously not learned the correct lessons from it. Talk to your brother, get his guidance and input on how you should deal with the fix he's in. Try to understand what he did, and his reasons, and what he's learned since. He may be less lost than you imagine - perhaps less lost than you.

Blogger Kenny January 16, 2017 7:45 PM  

Wow, your anger truly makes me believe that your way of life is a good one to live!

Blogger JP January 16, 2017 7:45 PM  

Are you aware of all the thousands of blacks that voluntarily fought for the Confederacy? Pretty strange behavior until you know that the South saw the war as an invasion regardless of their position on slavery.

Anonymous Mathias January 16, 2017 7:53 PM  

@81

Extend that to the first 3 maternal ancestors (who themselves have a proper paternal ancestor and are not violating breeding conventions.) and that's a standard I could get behind. If you leave out maternal ancestors, you would be splitting a lot of legacy american Families in half. Also, for places like Texas, the standard should reference that founding population instead of the population of New England.

Myself, my mothers family comes from 1690s South Carolina Irish Plantation Indentures, and my Fathers family are a combination of Texian Settlers and their later Noble cousins fleeing from the Czech communists. Note under your standard I would not qualify, because my fathers ancestors were Texan Settlers at the time of the founding of the Republic, but had nothing to do with New England.

Anonymous Discard January 16, 2017 7:55 PM  

82. Kenny: Do you imagine that our views are not called out every day, by every "respectable" authority? I had to go against a lot of conditioning to realize that race was a lot more than skin color. Living amongst Blacks in the military, watching the neighborhood I grew up in being destroyed by Mexicans, noticing how the well-educated Whites I knew kept themselves and their kids away from Blacks and Mexicans while damning those less well off Whites who actually had to live and work with other races, all this shook something loose. Most convincing was being involved with "at risk" kids. I took a boy to his appointment with a psychologist, and while browsing in a professional journal, I read that the average IQ for American Blacks is 85. I asked the shrink about it and he hemmed and hawed and told me what an average is and what it means...aaand yes. He said average Black IQ is 85, and it's not just a statistical footnote, it's reality. Not a paranoid fear. And it's not just IQ, there are all sorts of phenomena that vary greatly between the races. Once I got the hint, I did some reading, and racism makes a whole lot more sense than racial equality, which is completely at odds with what I actually observe among other races, and with the observed behavior among the liberals I know. They may not admit it, but their actions are no different than any Klansman. They buy houses in White neighborhoods and send their kids to schools that are mostly White and where the non-Whites are cherry picked.

Anonymous Gee G January 16, 2017 7:57 PM  

"For the record the biography of Lee that I read stated that Lee believed slavery was contrary to the gospel of Christ, and that the spread of genuine Christianity throughout the US would lead the slave owners to free their slaves willingly. "

Lee didn't have the courage of the abolitionists. And if he thought it was contrary to the gospel of Christ, he didn't have the courage of his convictions.

So great...three states celebrate cowardliness.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable January 16, 2017 7:59 PM  

There's a lot of stuff being attributed to God here that I'm pretty sure he had diddly squat to do with. I doubt he ordered slavery. I doubt he ordered its abolition. Nobody has demonstrated either one from the Bible, which means all this back-and-forth amounts to a lot of white noise for anyone who actually cares what Scripture says.

Anonymous BBigGayKoranBurner January 16, 2017 8:00 PM  

If Bath House Barry Obama dies this week would it be a holiday? I wore my WHITE LIVES MATTER shirt today.

People might forget it every so often but the South still knows you don't fuck with the General:

Please tell me the bastard only had a $60,000 bond on it for insurance coverage.

What a fucking asshat you are. "Does this ass on my head make me look fat?"

This probably isn't the place for off topic George Michael's death news.

I hate when Atheists and Jews try to tell me what I believe.

Its always the same "gold is shit & shit is gold"

Kenny how come these faggots keep saying the alt-right are homophobes???

Even the faggots around here have thicker skin than you do. Also eat steak and own guns.

I'm from America, even though I'm in London, but nice try disqualifying. Also there are black people here,

At least you didn't call them African Americans. Last time someone who claimed they where in London and talking about African Americans we had a good laugh about that being why the world hates the US, they think blacks come from there.

Kenny I don't like taking it up the ass, that's a weird assumption

Tops tend to be the more manly gays, and in the minority.

" To be honest I don't even know why I am doing this, part of me thinks that maybe you guys deep down know how evil your opinions are"

I believed in equalism, being gay I had a vested interest in it, but I worked at inner city hospitals for years, but never meet a black as (((smart as seen on TV))). I even have jew & mestizo ex boyfriends, but I am willing to give up $5 Home Depot wetback BJs for less black/brown crime.

Anonymous Discard January 16, 2017 8:02 PM  

G Spot: Bravely spoken.

Blogger JP January 16, 2017 8:02 PM  

An ironic takeaway from this board is that the trolls make a wonderful case for segregation! Here we were having a nice discussion, until trolls started disrupting it to try to destroy the conversation and bring it down to their level. Without a moderator the discussion would devolve to who can most frantically shitpost rather than who can actually bring valuable insights. Congrats trolls, you're aping the exact behavior of the apes you're trying so desperately to "protect".

Anonymous Bobby Farr January 16, 2017 8:03 PM  

I guess no troll needs to worry about going hungry around here.

Anonymous Gee G January 16, 2017 8:03 PM  

"The Civil War was not about slavery and WW2 was not about the Holocaust."

If Southerners had the moral courage of the abolitionists rather than the Lazy Gene, there would not have been a civil war.

Blogger Bob Loblaw January 16, 2017 8:04 PM  

Lee didn't have the courage of the abolitionists. And if he thought it was contrary to the gospel of Christ, he didn't have the courage of his convictions.

It doesn't take a lot of courage to impose your will on other people through the political system.

Blogger EG January 16, 2017 8:05 PM  

Arkansas is one of a few states that officially celebrate both days. One of the nearby towns even has a REL parade, much to the disdain of the Little Rock liberals. We plan on moving there this year. We've had enough diversity in our current neighborhood.

Anonymous JAG January 16, 2017 8:08 PM  

All three of the SJW laws on display in this discussion. Like clockwork.

Blogger Ransom Smith January 16, 2017 8:09 PM  

Oh look, some Yankees sperging out over the War of Northern Aggression.

How surprising.

Blogger Tuatha January 16, 2017 8:10 PM  

"I hate when Atheists and Jews try to tell me what I believe."

Just admit you hate everyone smarter than you and need some critical counseling. Only then can the healing process begin.

Anonymous Gee G January 16, 2017 8:11 PM  

"Oh look, some Yankees sperging out over the War of Northern Aggression"

You mean the God ordained victory of the morally courageous against the lazy people eaters of the South?

Anonymous Mathias January 16, 2017 8:14 PM  

@104

Bitch, I'm a Purple People Eater.

You sound Purple.

Blogger Rusty Fife January 16, 2017 8:15 PM  

Gee G wrote:the lazy people eaters of the South?

What does that even mean? Is it like #Pizzagate Friends of Moloch or something?

Anonymous BBigGayKoranBurner January 16, 2017 8:15 PM  

greatness. Kenny I hope you burn in a fiery hell for eternity. Absent men, only women so you'll truly be in a faggot hell

Faggot hell would be being old ugly & having a small PP. Kinda like Podesta without comet pizza.

Wow, your anger truly makes me believe that your way of life is a good one to live!

When the food stamps run out and the groids are chimping out don't lie if people ask you if you voted for Obama.

If Southerners had the moral courage of the abolitionists rather than the Lazy Gene,

Less than 1% of white households before the civil war owned slaves but over 50% of jewish households did. Jews also owned the slave boats and ran the auctions. Slaves drove down the wages of poor whites who were taxed to keep slaves in line. The stereotype of rednecks being lazy came from them being afflicted with hook worms that blacks brought to the US but blacks were resilient to them since they coevolved. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/bodyhorrors/2011/04/25/blood-money-hookworm-economics-in-the-postbellum-south/

Blogger James Dixon January 16, 2017 8:20 PM  

> I wonder what other locations summon up Robert E. Lee...

It's Lee Jackson day in Virginia.

> And here we have Gen. Lee asserting that slavery is "ordered" by God.

You are aware that Paul ordered an escaped slave to return to his master, aren't you? Yeah, I know, a rhetorical question. We all already know the answer.

> It's so funny how you guys got your shitty wish with Trump and still aren't happy.

No, what's so funny is how unhappy it makes you. Here, something to help with the pain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwYN7mTi6HM

...if only you could cut the bullshit and just say "Only white people can be Americans"

Nonsense. The American Indians are as American as any white.

> But, I guess his getting his ass beat was so ordered by God?

Actually, yes it probably was. And he probably understood that, and chose to fight for his native state anyway. But then he wasn't an Internet troll.

Blogger praetorian January 16, 2017 8:29 PM  

You can tell this is an effective meme by the trolls in the thread.

2018 REL Day is gonna be fun.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft January 16, 2017 8:29 PM  

@ Gee G. Philemon.

Not saying that how slavery was practiced in the states wasn't wrong, but there's definitely a case to be made for moral forms of forced labor which is very difficult to distinguish from slavery from most non-functional perspectives.

Specifically in the case of criminals. There's a reason that prison labor has been a thing, and it's because other people shouldn't be paying (even more than they already have) for the behavior of criminals.

Anonymous Gee G January 16, 2017 8:37 PM  

"Not saying that how slavery was practiced in the states wasn't wrong, but there's definitely a case to be made for moral forms of forced labor which is very difficult to distinguish from slavery from most non-functional perspectives."

Bit off topic. It's not as though the slaves in the south were slaves due to having committed crimes.

Slavery in the south was defended as the best thing for human beings with dark skin and was rationalized by citing God's will.

Meanwhile, abolitionists in the North were the ones with genuine courage. Lee? Not so much. He could have done the right and moral thing and accepted the offer to be General of the Northern armies. No...instead, he chose to defend a slave economy.

So yeah....let's celebrate that.

Blogger Ransom Smith January 16, 2017 8:41 PM  

You mean the God ordained victory of the morally courageous against the lazy people eaters of the South?

I love when Yankees get all serious about the civil war. It's cute.

Anonymous Nergol January 16, 2017 8:44 PM  

The problem with Gee G is that he's one of those liberals who thinks their values are so universal that *other people* are hypocrites if they violate *their* beliefs.

No, you're only a hypocrite if you violate *your own* beliefs, not if you violate *someone else's* beliefs.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 16, 2017 8:47 PM  

I have serious doubts about Lee's generalship, but his nobility of character cannot be questioned by any honest man.

Blogger Bob Loblaw January 16, 2017 8:47 PM  

Lee's downfall was in believing that the Confederacy could fight a Second Generation war like the Union was fighting, without the economy, logistics, or infrastructure with which to make that a viable option.

Having been the man at the head of Union armies in Mexico, I'm pretty sure Lee knew there was little chance of a Confederate military victory. That's not to say it was impossible for the South to win, but the win would ultimately have to come from an erosion of will in the North.

Blogger Robert What? January 16, 2017 8:59 PM  

I like it. Happy Robert E. Lee Day! Damn, and I haven't done any gift shopping yet.

Blogger Doom January 16, 2017 9:04 PM  

Remind, maybe a couple of times, in the lead up. I'd be happy to pitch for General Lee. That it would bump mlkjr would just be an add. Each, alone, is worthy. Both together is a civil and social woody. Activism with a bonus. Well, as close to activism as I get mostly.

Blogger James Dixon January 16, 2017 9:19 PM  

> ...but his nobility of character cannot be questioned by any honest man.

Well, that's not a problem for Mr. G, now is it?

Anonymous BBGKB January 16, 2017 9:21 PM  

Oy Vey talk about white washing, a white actor was hired to play Michael Jackson

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sky-scraps-tv-movie-with-joseph-fiennes-playing-michael-jackson/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=33376658

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 16, 2017 9:25 PM  

Give us General Forest and his critter company

Blogger Lazarus January 16, 2017 9:25 PM  

Gee G wrote:So yeah....let's celebrate that.

Happy Robert E. Lee Day, GG!!

Anonymous Discard January 16, 2017 9:26 PM  

Lee was a great and good man, but why did he never have Northern Virginia properly mapped? Every winter, the Army of the Potomac and the Army of Northern Virginia were largely idle, and the job could have been done without interruption. But every time the Southern troops went marching, they were having to send cavalry to knock on citizens' doors to ask if there was a short cut to this and such. A serious failing in man who had been in the Corps of Engineers.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 16, 2017 9:26 PM  

Bob Loblaw wrote:Lee didn't have the courage of the abolitionists. And if he thought it was contrary to the gospel of Christ, he didn't have the courage of his convictions.

It doesn't take a lot of courage to impose your will on other people through the political system.


Lee didn't have the courage to have millions of Blacks killed to get at the people his tribe had been at war with for 300 years.
Even the loser troll here is demonstrating it wasn't Blacks or slavery the Yankees were concerned about, it was getting punishing the Rednecks and Borderers. To this fucking day it's about punishing Southerners.

Gee G wrote:Meanwhile, abolitionists in the North were the ones with genuine courage. Lee? Not so much. He could have done the right and moral thing and accepted the offer to be General of the Northern armies. No...instead, he chose to defend a slave economy.

You mean he could have violated the Constitution, spit on the legacy of his ancestors, and betrayed the liberty that they and he held precious, so that losers like you would talk nice about him 150 years in the future.

@Kenny,
I have been told, to my face, that I am a racist because of my skin color. Well, I'm not going to feel guilty because of my skin color. And I'm not going to accept second-class citizen status because of my skin color. And I will not refuse to see what is in front of my fucking face just because it will make idiots like you call me a racist.

Go ahead and call me raaaaacist again. I'm sure it'll work this time.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 16, 2017 9:28 PM  

JP wrote:Are you aware of all the thousands of blacks that voluntarily fought for the Confederacy?

Even more fun, there were black slave owners. The issues were far less black and white than the Union propaganda would have you believe.

Anonymous BBigGayKoranBurner January 16, 2017 9:36 PM  

Holy Coincidence Batman, Newest Project Veritas video records meeting held at COMET PING PONG

project-veritas-releases-undercover-video-highlighting-plots-against-trump-inauguration

Anonymous BBGKB January 16, 2017 9:37 PM  

Sorry https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/01/16/project-veritas-releases-undercover-video-highlighting-plots-against-trump-inauguration/

Blogger Rusty Fife January 16, 2017 9:41 PM  

BBigGayKoranBurner wrote:Holy Coincidence Batman, Newest Project Veritas video records meeting held at COMET PING PONG

project-veritas-releases-undercover-video-highlighting-plots-against-trump-inauguration


Where is all the edgy artwork I heard so much about? The walls are bare concrete. Surely the must have had SOME non-pedo art to display.

Blogger Ezekiel January 16, 2017 9:42 PM  

Gee G wrote:"Not saying that how slavery was practiced in the states wasn't wrong, but there's definitely a case to be made for moral forms of forced labor which is very difficult to distinguish from slavery from most non-functional perspectives."

Bit off topic. It's not as though the slaves in the south were slaves due to having committed crimes.

Slavery in the south was defended as the best thing for human beings with dark skin and was rationalized by citing God's will.

Meanwhile, abolitionists in the North were the ones with genuine courage. Lee? Not so much. He could have done the right and moral thing and accepted the offer to be General of the Northern armies. No...instead, he chose to defend a slave economy.

So yeah....let's celebrate that.


Seems to me that the wisest thing for the South to have done, when told by a militarily superior force that they couldn't have slaves any more, would have been to say "ok"... and then put all their slaves to the sword, Old Testament style. I'm sure King Solomon would have approved.

Blogger liberranter January 16, 2017 9:45 PM  

Kenny I hope you burn in a fiery hell for eternity. Absent men, only women so you'll truly be in a faggot hell.

Faggot hell for Kenny is being surrounded by Alpha men who, rather than respond positively to his IOIs, beat his ass to a bloody pulp. Over and over and over again. For eternity.

Blogger Rusty Fife January 16, 2017 9:45 PM  

Ezekiel wrote:Seems to me that the wisest thing for the South to have done, when told by a militarily superior force that they couldn't have slaves any more, would have been to say "ok"... and then put all their slaves to the sword, Old Testament style. I'm sure King Solomon would have approved.

Yankees: "let my people go!"
South: "They're all yours"
Blacks: Exodus II

Blogger Silly But True January 16, 2017 9:48 PM  

@Snidely:
That's most likely true. I recall the FBI had been called to investigate as hate crime. And that was it, nothing. On a sensational case a year ago. The fact that all reporting died suggests that it probably was Mexican illegals and not a Baton Rouge gentleman who torched the lambo.

Blogger IreneAthena January 16, 2017 9:50 PM  

To prevent the continuation of "War of Northern Aggression" (aka "Civil War") the nation needs a thorough non-BS discussion about race. All perspectives--and both emotional and rational aspects of those perspectives--need to be heard. Civil, healing and problem-solving dialog needs to be mediated.

This blog attracts people having a wide variety of perspectives on what constitutes "problem-solving," even though most call themselves Alt-Right. Liberals who accuse all Trump-supporters of being racists are way off the mark. Still, I've been wondering about the composition of the mix represented here. About what percentage would consider Dylann Roof's action at Emmanuel A.M.E church in Charlotte to be laudable, timely and heroic?

What percentage would consider the murder of unarmed individuals in a church, under any circumstances, including during war time, to be murder? (I'm guessing, 75 percent?) And to that group: what concessions do you think people at various points along the spectrum need to make so as to avoid a second civil war?

[I have relatives in Kentucky. We all share the same grandparents, but overhearing their conversations, I fear they will take up arms against one another should a war over race/immigration begin. So I'm concerned about finding ways to make peace, but I'm not a concern troll.]

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 16, 2017 9:50 PM  

liberranter wrote:Faggot hell for Kenny is being surrounded by Alpha men who, rather than respond positively to his IOIs, beat his ass to a bloody pulp. Over and over and over again. For eternity.

So he's already in hell and he isn't even dead yet....

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 16, 2017 9:57 PM  

IreneAthena wrote:So I'm concerned about finding ways to make peace, but I'm not a concern troll.]

No, you're a moron

They cry peace, peace, but there is no peace.

Anonymous BBigGayKoranBurner January 16, 2017 10:02 PM  

Where is all the edgy artwork I heard so much about? The walls are bare concrete. Surely the must have had SOME non-pedo art to display

There is little room for anything else on the screen with those 3 noses on hidden camera, also their heads could be blocking the Comet Ping Pong art. James Okeefe must have edited out the bathroom video.

About what percentage would consider Dylann Roof's action at Emmanuel A.M.E church in Charlotte to be laudable

Roof isn't laudable, he is the race reversed version of Omar Thornton. If Roof went and shot a bunch of gang bangers like the Native American in TULSA, from the gang that killed his father you would have never heard of him on lamestream media.

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 16, 2017 10:06 PM  

Corwin Amemdment, quietly pushed by Lincoln himself and mentioned in his girst inaugural address. You know G, where Lincoln threatened invasion if fed taxes were not collected.

Blogger Ezekiel January 16, 2017 10:06 PM  

IreneAthena wrote:
[I have relatives in Kentucky. We all share the same grandparents, but overhearing their conversations, I fear they will take up arms against one another should a war over race/immigration begin. So I'm concerned about finding ways to make peace, but I'm not a concern troll.]


Luke 12:53

Blogger Rusty Fife January 16, 2017 10:08 PM  

IreneAthena wrote:

[I have relatives in Kentucky. We all share the same grandparents, but overhearing their conversations, I fear they will take up arms against one another should a war over race/immigration begin. So I'm concerned about finding ways to make peace, but I'm not a concern troll.]


Nah. That's just the Scots-Irish looking for a fight when there isn't one to be had. Don't worry you're pretty haid about it.

Anonymous Clay January 16, 2017 10:11 PM  

You have no truth in your words.

Robert E. Lee was given the option of being General Of The Federal Army, at the onset of the War of Aggression..

He refused it, because he knew he would be fighting against his STATE, Virginia.

He was right.

Blogger Beau January 16, 2017 10:18 PM  

I recommend The Wartime Papers of R.E. Lee for a firsthand look at an American hero.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft January 16, 2017 10:19 PM  

@111. You're right, they were slaves because they lost tribal wars in Africa, and instead of going down fighting or fleeing unto the death, they submitted like a uke (you and Kenny [cowards]) and were sold by the other Africans to the Jews who sailed them over here for sale. Do you really want me to continue?

There were biblical arguments both for and against slavery. They arguments for were much stronger when applied to people with behavior patterns like yours.

The Civil War wasn't about slavery, even Lincoln said:

"As to the policy I ‘seem to be pursuing,’ as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt. I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored the nearer the Union will be ‘the Union as it was.’ If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. What I do about slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union."

Slavery was second bitch. His primary goal was to keep the union together, and slavery didn't hold a candle to it. On top of that, this was the consensus context of the war at the time, the south was trying to escape from tax domination by the north, and the north was trying to keep them from escaping. The north won, and because the victors write the history books, of course it became "all about the moral social justice of ending slavery" when in reality, slavery was second fiddle at best.

Abolitionists existed in both the north and the south, stop implying lies. Lee chose to fight for his home, Virginia, which was not a slave-owning state. Again, remember, slavery was considered to be the second issue at the time and still is today (from today's perspective), except by liars and the deceived. Try again, liar.

On top of the above, Abolitionists in the north were far away from the war. Lee fought in it. You're a pathologically lying fuck, you realize that?

I'll be glad to celebrate an exemplary moral gentleman and ethical warrior. Degenerate subhuman filth like what you've made of yourself can burn in hell the way you're already choosing to.

Blogger gbob January 16, 2017 10:19 PM  

The old testament is simply awash in instructions for slaves to be obedient. And as far as the new testament is concerned, Philemon is the only book that deals with the topic of slavery directly. And if there is an admonition against slavery, I haven't seen it. Not defending slavery (it was a different system in biblical times for the most part), just saying that scripture does not make a hypocrite out of Lee

Blogger ZhukovG January 16, 2017 10:23 PM  

Happy General Robert Edward Lee Day!

"In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution is a moral & political evil in any country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages."

"A Union that can only be maintained by swords and bayonets has no charm for me. If the Union is dissolved and government disrupted, I shall return to my native state and share the miseries of my people, and save in defense will draw my sword on none."

Deo Vindice!

Anonymous Discard January 16, 2017 10:27 PM  

124. Ominous Cowherd: There is a cemetery near here where, on every Memorial Day, one of the graves has a Confederate flag placed on it by the Daughters of Confederate Veterans, and a Union flag as well. The doubly honored man was a Quadroon from New Orleans who was captured in 1862, and was then allowed to join the Union Army to guard the frontier in Minnesota, a "galvanized Yankee" as they were called. Much more complex than what the SJWs would allow.

Blogger IreneAthena January 16, 2017 10:29 PM  

@138 Impressive! I hope you're as good at telling the future as you are guessing at genetics.

Blogger flyingtiger January 16, 2017 10:29 PM  

Sorry, Lee lost his war, and Americans love a winner.

Anonymous Luke January 16, 2017 10:29 PM  

Re the Confederacy's chances for military victory, just two things would IMO have put them over half way to achieving that:

1) Have Lee dial back (by brutally direct/impolite orders from Richmond as needed) his overwillingness to make frontal attacks and/or invade the North (the latter of which Vallandingham specifically advised him NOT to do, around early 1863).

2) Have had N.B. Forrest in command at Forts Henry & Donelson, at Shiloh, and in command of everything south and west of North Carolina early (ideally by mid-1862).

If #2 is too much to intellectually swallow, then having Bragg and Pemberton thrown from horses and die before 1860 would have helped a lot.

Likewise, the Confederacy not unilaterally embargoing cotton exports early on (before the Union blockade became much more effective) in a misguided attempt to politically influence European neutrals, instead going on a military material and machine tool buying spree would have been VERY handy.

Anonymous Discard January 16, 2017 10:32 PM  

141. Benjamin Kraft: You've erred. Virginia was a slave-owning state, as were Maryland and Delaware to its north.

Anonymous Luke January 16, 2017 10:36 PM  

141. Benjamin Kraft January 16, 2017 10:19 PM
"Lee chose to fight for his home, Virginia, which was not a slave-owning state"

I wholeheartedly agree with what you're doing here, but in this clause you are in error:

From http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Slave+states

slave state
n.
"1. Slave State Any of the 15 states of the Union in which slavery was legal before the Civil War, including Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia."

Blogger Benjamin Kraft January 16, 2017 10:38 PM  

@148. You're right. Now I have to figure out where I got that idea from to stop it from happening again. Something to do with W. Virginia maybe?...

Blogger Benjamin Kraft January 16, 2017 10:40 PM  

Yep I was apparently conflating W. Virginia splitting to the union somehow.

Anonymous Clay January 16, 2017 10:50 PM  

Yes...that's why you are considered Yankees now.

Vote for The Democrats,

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 16, 2017 10:54 PM  

If only Gen. Lee had the canon fodder and lack of principles his failures would not have mattered. Gen. Lee was human and fallible but only the ignorant attempt tp besmirch him.
Of Honest Abe the same cannot be said. To his dearh still trying to figure out how to send free blacks to their own colonies, anywhere not in uSA.

Anonymous AT January 16, 2017 10:57 PM  

5343 Kinds of Deplorable wrote:There's a lot of stuff being attributed to God here that I'm pretty sure he had diddly squat to do with. I doubt he ordered slavery. I doubt he ordered its abolition. Nobody has demonstrated either one from the Bible, which means all this back-and-forth amounts to a lot of white noise for anyone who actually cares what Scripture says.

Leviticus 25

44 And as for your male and female slaves whom you may have—from the nations that are around you, from them you may buy male and female slaves. 45 Moreover you may buy the children of the strangers who dwell among you, and their families who are with you, which they beget in your land; and they shall become your property. 46 And you may take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them as a possession; they shall be your permanent slaves.

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 16, 2017 10:58 PM  

West Virginia split off without the consent of Virginia"s Legilature in violation of the uSA Constitution ... unless Virginia was really legally out of the union.

Anonymous Just another commenter January 16, 2017 11:00 PM  

Any musicians in the house? We might need to cut a remake of "Surfing USA" called "Trolling USA."

Anonymous Icicle January 16, 2017 11:01 PM  

Sending African-Americans back to Africa?

That gave us Liberia... not our finest hour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo

Real-life vampires, cross-dressing cannibals, and please to be shitting on the beach.

Anonymous Clay January 16, 2017 11:01 PM  

Lord have mercy. Now, we have to have us some Bible crap.

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 16, 2017 11:02 PM  

Cannot remember the passage but there is a prohibition against man hunting and waging war without God's permission. Slaves taken under prohibited cirumstances violated God's law. And there is the issue of the Jibilee

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 16, 2017 11:03 PM  

Jubilee, that is.

Anonymous Clay January 16, 2017 11:13 PM  

Jubilee. What a joke,

Just who get's God's permission to wage war and kill theses days?

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable January 16, 2017 11:37 PM  

The old testament is simply awash in instructions for slaves to be obedient.

Actually, no, unless you're talking about Jews taken captive in the Diaspora, which was God's judgment on them for idolatry.

And as far as the new testament is concerned, Philemon is the only book that deals with the topic of slavery directly.

Again, no. Check a concordance.

And if there is an admonition against slavery, I haven't seen it.

The fact that God doesn't condemn something doesn't make it right (abortion, transgenderism, gay marriage, carry on ad infinitum).

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable January 16, 2017 11:44 PM  

@154.

I stand by my statement. That's not an order, it's an accommodation to an existing system.

Further, it's an order only to Israel, which had a unique position as God's holy nation, not a general command for all nations. The alternative was the extermination of those nations. Those taken as slaves instead were quite likely grateful.

I don't think God cares one way or another about slavery. He's conferred the responsibility for how societies order themselves on the leaders of those countries. The commands in Old and New Testament are designed to insure that when Jews or Christians kept slaves, they did so in a fair and kindly way compared to the nations around them.

Nothing in the Bible either justifies or directly condemns slavery AS AN INSTITUTION, nor does the Bible address what was done in the U.S. one way or the other.

Anonymous Discard January 17, 2017 12:03 AM  

151. Ben Kraft: I figured it was some sort of brain fart like that. When it happens, you get commenter's remorse.

Anonymous Epimandes January 17, 2017 5:44 AM  

I think Robert E. Lee and Martin Luther King are two of the greatest Americans to ever live.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 17, 2017 5:45 AM  

Then you have no idea who King was or what he did.

Anonymous Epimandes January 17, 2017 7:04 AM  

@166 The unthinkable. He said black people were equal in value to white people. And because of people like Vox Day we can rest assured that MLK's dream is still just a dream.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric January 17, 2017 7:59 AM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:Of Honest Abe the same cannot be said. To his dearh still trying to figure out how to send free blacks to their own colonies, anywhere not in uSA.
Had he been successful, we could perhaps forgive him today his other follies.

Anonymous Ryan January 17, 2017 8:06 AM  

Lee sent thousands of poor whites into the teeth of union guns in order to maintain his class's position at the top of Southern society. Super guy.

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 17, 2017 8:45 AM  

And what did Sherman do?

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler January 17, 2017 8:47 AM  

Martin Luther King was a Communist Agent, a tool of the Jews to destroy White America. MLK is the Hero of Communist/Marxist America. America is Marxist and so it is honoring one of its greatest heros, Martin Luther King, a storm trooper for the Jewish Agenda.

I don't celebrate MLK, he is a curse upon America.

Blogger Harsh January 17, 2017 9:14 AM  

I'd like to congratulate Kenny on his epic display of emotional incontinence. Bravo!

Anonymous Ryan January 17, 2017 9:26 AM  

@170

Assuming you're replying to me, what Sherman did is beside the point. Nobody here is saying Sherman was a moral, honorable, or great man.

Since you ask, Sherman did the worst thing possible. He humiliated the elites of Southern society and because of that will never be forgiven.

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 17, 2017 10:09 AM  

@173
Just wondering. Good take on Sherman.

Your take on Gen. Lee is wrong, though. Have you read any biography of his?

Lee's decision in not accepting to be the commander of the Union armies was according to principles that he understood would put him in, and Virginia, under much distress and suffering and Lee saw himself as part of that suffering. But, Lee was not about to commit treason and aid the invading forces to come.

Gen. Lee was "top of Southern society" in the same way as Gen. Washington was.

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 17, 2017 10:18 AM  

BTW, if Lee had thrown bodies into the "teeth of union guns" like the union did into the teeth of southern guns", the war would have ended in 2 years (my guess) and the south would have been depleted of almost all fighting capable men. The devastation wold have been even worse than it was.

Another thing, Lee's being born a descendant of Light Horse Harry was not his to control. He did his duty to Virginia just like many other commanders that were very much born into humble families.

Anonymous Ryan January 17, 2017 11:41 AM  

@175

I'm aware that Lee was generally more hesitant to send his men to slaughter than his Union counterparts and he should be commended for that. He should also be commended for his decision to decline command of the Union army. That said, he should be condemned for the poor free whites he sent to die.

What bio of Lee would you recommend?

Anonymous Discard January 17, 2017 12:29 PM  

167. Epimandes: It is not thanks to Vox Day that MLK's dream of racial equality remains a dream. It is thanks to Blacks' innate inequality. Mr Day merely provides a forum where such matters can be freely discussed.

Anonymous Discard January 17, 2017 12:43 PM  

Ryan: Lee did not send his men anywhere. He led them.

Blogger rcocean January 17, 2017 1:54 PM  

When are peeps going to stop making the ignorant statement that Lee "bleed the Confederacy white with his frontal assaults"?

The Confederacy had 1 million men of military age. They lost twice as many men thru sickness and desertion than battle. Further, the A of P lost as many, if not more men while being on the Defensive.

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 17, 2017 8:50 PM  

Ryan. I have a biograhy around somewhere but uablr to find.

Check these out:http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2909981-leehttp://astore.amazon.com/civiwarprestr-20?_encoding=UTF8&node=61

Blogger Polly Graff January 17, 2017 9:15 PM  

Gutless Google ...

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2017/01/google_apologizes_for_citing_r.html

Blogger DonReynolds January 18, 2017 12:36 AM  

Today is Tuesday.....January 17th......the day AFTER MLK Day.....and it is Ben Franklin's birthday.
He is a great Patriot, one of the Founders, and a Great American. His face is on the hundred dollar bill but his birthday is not a Federal Holiday. He was also the first Postmaster General of the new Nation....but I saw no mention of his name at the big local post office or any Ben Franklin stamps being offered for sale.
Obviously, greatness is not one of the criteria for your birthday to be a Federal holiday.

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 18, 2017 7:35 AM  

Tomorrow, January 19, is the birthday of Robert E. Lee, Gen. CSA, soldier, citizen, gentleman, Christian.
Deo Vindice

Blogger flyingtiger January 18, 2017 12:16 PM  

#116,#122
In the Mexican war, Captain Lee was an engineering officer who scouted behind enemy lines. His efforts helped to win a few battles. When Civil War historians get together, they joke about how often Lee was lost. I still do not know why he never mapped out Virginia.
Forrest was a leader at the battle of Shiloh. The Commander was A.S. Johnson. If he had lived, he would have been the best Confederate commander.

Anonymous Luke January 18, 2017 8:49 PM  

180. rcocean January 17, 2017 1:54 PM
"When are peeps going to stop making the... statement that Lee "bleed [sic]the Confederacy white with his frontal assaults"?"

When no one any longer understands the historical references to Malvern Hill, the Seven Days battles, Pickett's Charge, etc., where Lee did exactly that. Even Chancellorsville was (if quietly) criticized by at least one Confederate generals of the time for excessive casualties taken in the attack. The circa-1970s history book "Attack and Die" makes more than a little mention of this. Remember, General Hood (of the Franklin and Nashville disasters) served a long time under Lee, so A) learned from him, and B) found such inclinations acceptable to Lee.
Better the South had planted mines ("torpedoes" in that day), sniped, burned more Union rail lines, done more commerce raiding, etc., than making 1/10 the frontal assaults on fortified positions they did.

Anonymous Luke January 18, 2017 8:54 PM  

185. flyingtiger January 18, 2017 12:16 PM
#116,#122

"Forrest was a leader at the battle of Shiloh. The Commander was A.S. Johnson. If he had lived, he would have been the best Confederate commander.

Comparing how weird (and nonadaptively) A.S. had set up the initial attack at Shiloh with Forrest's masterful generalship at Brice's Crossroads, I don't think that Johnson could have beaten even Grant on even terms late 1862 or later. You also forget Stonewall Jackson, better by far than Johnson.

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