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Friday, January 06, 2017

Incoherencies and the Alt-Right

The Alt-Right is both dangerous and pathetic.

That's a neat trick. Una Mullally is amusingly incoherent in her frothing-mad attempt to simultaneously dismiss the Alt-Right while warning of the dire danger it presents:
What you actually need to know about the so-called “Alt-right movement” is that it is a cohort of pathetic but dangerous right-wingers trying – and often succeeding – in making their opinions more palatable to the mainstream over the past couple of years. The Irish Times was wrong to publish the article by Nicholas Pell. There are of course many ways to talk about the so-called “Alt-right” – a purposefully fluffy term for white supremacists, fascists, Nazis and others – but publishing a racist, misogynistic, trolling glossary is not one of them. I do not believe we should be interested in humouring fascism. I believe we should be invested in destroying it....

Meanwhile, the so called “Alt-right” – again, a rage-filled, whining, impossibly sensitive and overly-emotional cohort of white supremacists, racists, anti-women internet trolls, Nazis, conspiracy theorists, anti-Semites and more – is effectively trolling the media, contesting reality with fake news, writing off any kind of criticism as liberal whining, refusing to engage, harassing critics and adopting playground tactics to interviews so that when the words they say are presented back to them, they pretend never to have uttered them.

Having successfully mastered dog-whistle politics, the “Alt-right” has gained the confidence to drop euphemisms or insinuation and be outright bald in its beliefs. It thinks it has the upper hand, that its idiotic and circular debating techniques are smart, that it can say something and call “irony” or “humour” as a defence. But it is transparent and cringingly juvenile. And it is also dangerous.
The Alt-Right is both White Nationalist and Neo-Nazi.

Because most people are not only idiots, but historically ignorant, they forget that National Socialism was, first and foremost, a pan-Germanic supremacist movement that violently looked down on every other white nation, including the Eastern and Southern Europeans. They also didn't hesitate to make war on Western and Northern Europeans on the basis of their belief in Teutonic supremacy. Considering that the Swiss were described contemptuously as "a mongrel race" unworthy of the Greater German nation, what do you think the Nazis made of the even more mongrelized Americans? "White Nationalist Nazi" is a rhetorical left-wing conflation that doesn't survive even rudimentary contemplation of the historical and conceptual realities.

Furthermore, as I've repeatedly pointed out, "white nationalism" is an American phenomenon that is the direct result of this American mongrelization, and pan-racial bonhomie notwithstanding, it is not compatible with the actual European nations either. As a consequence of their experience with the EU, most European nationalists want nothing to do with any globalist or pan-nationalist schemes. Ironically, this European/American distinction tends to upset both white and civic nationalist Americans, who are proud to be "part-Dutch" or "part-Irish" or "100 percent Swedish", only to discover that Europeans don't consider their distant American kin to be part of their various nations; after all, the Americans can't even speak the language.

So, pan-white pan-nationalism is not, and will never be, viable anywhere outside of the United States, where a second white American identity is gradually being forged under the pressure of immigration and anti-white hatred. Meanwhile, Nazism, historical or neo, is not even a coherent concept once removed from its pan-Germanic context; one might as reasonably describe oneself as a Palestinian or a first-century Roman legionary as to claim on is a Nazi on the basis of being at war with global Jewry. Regardless, one cannot be both a white nationalist and a neo-Nazi, any more than one can be a libertarian and a neo-Communist or a red-tailed hawk and a fish.

The correct description of the Alt-Right is neither white nationalist nor pan-nationalist, but omni-nationalist. White nationalism is, obviously, an integral element of the Alt-Right, and it is supported by all white Alt-Rightists, but the Alt-Right also supports Hungarian nationalism, and Japanese nationalism, and even, in almost every case, Israeli nationalism. The Alt-Right does not want a pan-white nation to rule the world; it has learned from the failures of British, Spanish, French, Japanese, German, Soviet, and American imperialism.

NB: I ran the 16 Points of the Alt-Right by an academic expert on Fascism and National Socialism. His conclusion? While he did not agree with most of the 16 Points, he also observed that they contained nothing that could credibly described as neo-Nazi. Nothing. His words, not mine.

The Alt-Right is Fascist

This is simply ridiculous. The Alt-Right is even less influenced by historical Italian Fascism than it is by historical German National Socialism. The Alt-Right is a political philosophy of the Right, it is not of the right side of the European Left. It certainly doesn't believe in proportional political representation for women; indeed, it tends to be considerably more populist and genuinely democratic than the liberal democrats, let alone the Fascists.

One of the great ironies is that self-styled "antifas" would enthusiastically support the greater part of the actual Fascist program. When one considers their self-ignorance, it should be no surprise that they get the Alt-Right so hopelessly wrong.

The Alt-Right avoids debate

This is a flat-out lie and an inversion of the truth. The media is desperate to avoid any genuine discussion of what the Alt-Right actually believes, because they know its political philosophy is not only of great and growing appeal to many across the West, but is the only credible political philosophy in light of the obvious failures of communism, socialism, liberalism, multiculturalism, globalism, and representatism. That is why Mullally and others are so panicked by a simple partial glossary of Alt-Right terminology; it is the same reason that the New York Times failed to include a single answer to the questions they asked me about the Alt-Right in the article it ran last month.

This is a more intelligent take on the Alt-Right, although Angela Nagle fails to grasp that the zero-sum tribal antagonism of identity groups is a necessary and inevitable consequence of the universalist ideas that have, by being put into practice, destroyed the national cohesion of the Western nations and presently threaten Western civilization.
A new generation of liberal left-identitarians display chilling levels of pack pleasure when conducting career-ending, life-destroying hate campaigns against people for minor infringements against the liberal moral code such as off-colour jokes. Some examples were chronicled in Jon Ronson’s So You’ve Been Publicly Shamed. I think what has led so many young white men in the US in particular to openly flirt with the Alt-right online is a sense that one may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb. Why grovel when you can join an anonymous army of trolls to fight back with pure offensiveness. This is what the Alt-right offers.

But like the US socialist writer Shuja Haider recently argued: “It should go without saying that left-liberal identity politics and Alt-right white nationalism are not comparable. The problem is that they are compatible.” Tumblr needs 4chan just as neo-masculinist misogynists need a perpetual supply of listicles about man-splaining, and the Alt-right needs finger wagging “Dear white people” liberal commentary to denigrate ordinary white people at every opportunity. None of them would make sense without the other. While Spencer’s plans are unlikely to catch on any time soon, the emergence of the Alt-right should warn us of a now imminent nightmare vision of what the coming years might hold – a public arena emptied of any civility, universalist ideas or openly competing political visions beyond a zero-sum tribal antagonism of identity groups, in which the boundaries of acceptable thought will shrink further while the purged will amass in the fetid forums of the Alt-right.
The fact is that it doesn't really matter what people say about the Alt-Right, what it is called, who is hailed as its leader du jour, or whether the media is honest about it. The great waves of history are in motion, and there is very little we can do besides observe them and describe their effects.

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Blogger Shimshon January 06, 2017 8:18 AM  

Time to drag out the scalzimeter. I've never seen such a density reading before.

Blogger wreckage January 06, 2017 8:19 AM  

Funny how the people who want racial extermination, state-approved culture, the end of families and ethnic groups in favour of giant collectives, the end of free speech, and total control of the workplace and industry...

... think everyone but themselves to be a fascist.

Blogger Mighty Lou January 06, 2017 8:21 AM  

It's becoming painfully annoying to see liberals continuously trying to control the narrative while living in complete denial of the reality of a changing political landscape happening in real time right before their very eyes.

Anonymous Rocklea January 06, 2017 8:21 AM  

"rage-filled, whining, impossibly sensitive and overly-emotional"

The essence of the tolerant liberal.

Blogger Phillip George January 06, 2017 8:24 AM  

Rhetorical but is a dumb white useful idiot libtard progressive multicultic less "my nation" than a black born again?
When Jesus was on trial the fools all cried out we have no king but Caesar. Now Today even! Caesar could be a born again. I still have no nation but Christendom. As ironic as this might sound the British Crown - actual Monarch is theoretically there only for Protestant reformed Christianity. That hidden empire was real and is history, A dumb black Christian is still more my brother at arms than the useful idiot white fool...
I can see what you are saying. I can't see any possibility of making it a plan.

Blogger James Dixon January 06, 2017 8:25 AM  

> Meanwhile, the so called “Alt-right” – again, a rage-filled, whining, impossibly sensitive and overly-emotional cohort...

What was the third law of SJWs again? If only I had something to help me remember...

Blogger VD January 06, 2017 8:27 AM  

A dumb black Christian is still more my brother at arms than the useful idiot white fool...

You're wrong. Christ's kingdom is not of this world. And you are still a citizen of Rome, and as one, you are at war with the enemies of Rome. Even those who are your brothers in Christ.

Blogger James Dixon January 06, 2017 8:28 AM  

> ...a public arena emptied of any civility,

The left hasn't practiced civility in the public arena in over 50 years. Why should the opposition?

Blogger darkdoc January 06, 2017 8:28 AM  

Sticks and stones...

They clearly are projecting just how much they hate to be called names themselves.

So have at it - let the name calling commence. Blind them in their tears.

Anonymous Steve January 06, 2017 8:29 AM  

Beefy lesbian Una Mullally should lay off the pies.

Blogger Harsh January 06, 2017 8:31 AM  

They started it.

Blogger VD January 06, 2017 8:31 AM  

Look, Christian morons. You cannot deny the existence of nationality and still affirm the existence of sex. The reason Paul writes "in Christ" is that the equality he mentions in Galatians 3:28 DOES NOT EXIST in any other context.

And frankly, to deny the very existence of Jews is considerably more antisemitic than anything Hitler ever did.

Blogger James Dixon January 06, 2017 8:32 AM  

> ... think everyone but themselves to be a fascist.

Like I said, what was that third law again?

> A dumb black Christian is still more my brother at arms than the useful idiot white fool...

You make think so, but does he? And even if he does, when it comes time to choose between you and his family/friends, which will he finally choose?

Blogger AdognamedOp January 06, 2017 8:32 AM  

Was that first bitch Megan Kelly's mom. Dang.

Blogger wreckage January 06, 2017 8:33 AM  

"Go and make disciples of all nations, unicorns, and other things that don't exist."

Anonymous Steve January 06, 2017 8:36 AM  

The left hasn't practiced civility in the public arena in over 50 years. Why should the opposition?

Uh... SHUT UP WHILE I CALL YOU A RACIST!!!!

Blogger Mighty Lou January 06, 2017 8:36 AM  

I believe that the Chicago incident should be magnified, amplified and through continuous commentary come to be understood as the catalyst that is the beginning of the end of the identity politics scam.

Blogger Salt January 06, 2017 8:38 AM  

"white nationalism" is an American phenomenon... proud to be "part-Dutch" or "part-Irish" or "100 percent Swedish"... actual Europeans don't consider their distant American kin to be part of their nation

That class of Americans are White, unlike their European counterparts who are merely Caucasians.

Blogger wreckage January 06, 2017 8:38 AM  

@13 Golly, its so hard to remember
1. They always lie.
2. They always double down.
3. They always... confect? Prospect? Grow jets?

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown January 06, 2017 8:45 AM  

@4 "rage-filled, whining, impossibly sensitive and overly-emotional"

SJWs always project.

Blogger Phillip George January 06, 2017 8:51 AM  

I count it good that you have opened it up for discussion. The brilliance was in utterly 'defanging' the Rayciss slur. As fractured a personality as he was Lenny Bruce had some success in deconstructing false narratives.

A White Nation is as perfectly legitiimate as a Japanese Island. In this you spoke well.

And every nation without Christ as Captain are a ship of fools.

Blogger Zaklog the Great January 06, 2017 8:53 AM  

Gee, where might the alt-right have learned the tactic of saying something unpleasant or offensive and then claiming, "Hey, just joking"? Hmmm . . . I'm thinking of a name here. It's not quite coming to me, but it rhymes with Don Blewart.

Seriously, every single thing they attack in others is only things they've done to death themselves.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 06, 2017 9:01 AM  

The Omni-nationalist part of the Alt-Right philosophy merits more publicity. Especially since it lets us throw the whole "diversity" mantra into the SJW's faces...wrapped around a brick. The Alt-Right believes in REAL diversity, not the "diversity" of forced reduction to the lowest common denominator.

Blogger Mighty Lou January 06, 2017 9:05 AM  

At this point they're just digging their own mass graves.

http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2017/01/05/university-washington-leftists-post-racist-class-flyers-republican-presidents-face/

Blogger Old Ez January 06, 2017 9:06 AM  

"first and foremost, a pan-Germanic supremacist movement that violently looked down on every other white nation, including the Eastern and Southern Europeans. They also didn't hesitate to make war on Western and Northern Europeans on the basis of their belief in Teutonic supremacy."

That's fair, but rather insubstantial considering that many nations felt - and acted - this way. The French certainly did. God knows the English believed they were the Master Race and destined by God to rule the planet, and they actively tried to do so. The only reason Germany is apprehended as singularly reprehensible is because she lost. If England had lost WWI or WWII today we'd be talking about how murderous and genocidal the supremacist Anglos were.

"white nationalism [/identity]....it is not compatible with the actual European nations either" - Yes, yes. True. And at one time a "German" identity was not compatible with the actually existing German states and at one time "French" was an identity incompatible with that of the Franks, Lombards and Savoyards. Ethnogenesis is an ongoing process.

"globalist or pan-nationalist schemes" - What do those have to do with white identity? No one - literally no one - on the Alt Right advocates for any kind of globalism or any kind of pan-European or pan-white superstate. A nexus or a federation is not a state.

"pan-white pan-nationalism is not, and will never be, viable anywhere outside of the United States" - Yep, people said the same thing about Germany. "A German state can never exist! It's impossible!" It was impossible until it wasn't. The more Europeans interact with African and Semitic phenotypes, the more they will realize that "white" is an identity and its one they will be forced to embrace by the logic of history and the cunning of reason.

Blogger Markku January 06, 2017 9:15 AM  

"a public arena emptied of any civility"

This would be SO damned great. We would no longer have to pretend to think the SJW interlocutor as something other than we actually think. Everybody would just say what they think. This is the way of the Finn.

Blogger tuberman January 06, 2017 9:17 AM  

Yeah, Una is just upset that she sees Leftist tactics coming back at them, yet she does not see the Foundation stones underneath the alt-Right, so she cannot see History's pendulum swing, and that she's now on the wrong side. So just keep doubling down dear, and speed up the process.

Blogger seeingsights January 06, 2017 9:18 AM  

Perhaps the Alt-Right could be called ethno-nationalist.

Blogger Buybuydandavis January 06, 2017 9:18 AM  

VD: "white nationalism" is an American phenomenon that is the direct result of this American mongrelization

If America were *only* white, it would still be one of the most multi ethnic societies. White multiculturalism basically worked in the US.

Is there an Asian equivalent? African equivalent? I don't think so.

I don't know enough about South America to venture an opinion there.

Blogger VD January 06, 2017 9:19 AM  

I believe that the Chicago incident should be magnified, amplified and through continuous commentary come to be understood as the catalyst that is the beginning of the end of the identity politics scam.

You don't understand the situation. Identity politics is not a scam. It is the new reality. Wake up and smell the demographics.

That's fair, but rather insubstantial considering that many nations felt - and acted - this way.

Irrelevant. If you have read the literature - and I have - National Socialism is a conscious ideology of pan-Germanic supremacy. To apply the phrase rather more accurately than Greg Johnson has, "if it's not pan-Germanic supremacy, it's not Nazism."

What do those have to do with white identity? No one - literally no one - on the Alt Right advocates for any kind of globalism or any kind of pan-European or pan-white superstate. A nexus or a federation is not a state.

Clearly you have not spoken in sufficient detail with Richard Spencer. Moreover, based on your example, you're demanding the same thing the EU did, and using the same tactics. I'm not saying a white ethnostate cannot exist; it can, and on the North American continent. I am saying a pan-white ethnostate will never exist, unless and until whites are put on a single reservation by their replacements.

It was impossible until it wasn't.

The German identity is that of the Prussian nation writ large. The French identity is that of the Ile de France writ large. You've failed to understand the process of ethnogenesis, which is that the identity is that which subsumes all the others. What you are fantasizing about is the idea of Europeans becoming Americans, which simply is not going to happen. That's why one almost always hears this nonsense from Americans.

Indeed, the very reason you guys use the term "white identity" rather than "European identity" is because you're not Europeans.

Your argument completely misses the point. There is no "white nation". There is no "white language". Therefore, there will be no "white state".

Blogger dc.sunsets January 06, 2017 9:23 AM  

In determining ones allies, keep in mind that the immigrant from Timbuktu may be a great neighbor but his kids, born at your local hospital, will often loathe you. People don't much control their offspring, which is where the predispositions of their DNA will exhibit.

NA_ALT is the same folly as "look at how appreciative are these Somalis who we imported." I believe my ancestry is English and Scottish, and my innate clannishness could surely derive from Scotland being outside the Hajnal Line.

We are no more or less than the code inscribed in every cell of our bodies, and no matter how much we desire to fly like eagles or swim life fish, our nature is fixed.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 06, 2017 9:26 AM  

American whites retain the innate peculiarities of their European ancestors. Keep that in mind when choosing allies even in the USA. When German immigrants replaced the English stock in Wausau, WI they turned the place from solid Republican to out-and-out Socialist Party.

That same kind of people keep returning the Paul Ryans of the world to Congress.

Anonymous Crossphased January 06, 2017 9:30 AM  

There are many black nations. There are many Asian nations. Why can't there be many white nations? Why do people assume there should be one white empire? We can have our own nations and be separate.

Anonymous karsten January 06, 2017 9:32 AM  

"and even, in almost every case, Israeli nationalism."

Well, I certainly support Palestinian Nationalism, not leastwise because they are the indigenous people of the land (unless one actually takes seriously the Big Book of Jewish Fairy-Tales, aka the ancient version of the (((tribal))) propaganda that is omnipresent today.

Blogger VD January 06, 2017 9:34 AM  

When German immigrants replaced the English stock in Wausau, WI they turned the place from solid Republican to out-and-out Socialist Party.

Exactly. The English are not the Germans any more than the Watusi are the Igbo. It doesn't mean they can't be allies, but they are never going to be co-nationals without losing who they are.

Anonymous Dan January 06, 2017 9:37 AM  

What you are fantasizing about is the idea of Europeans becoming Americans, which simply is not going to happen.

It's a nice fantasy. Think about russian-western europe combo, the military and infinite resources of Russia alongside the technological ingenuity of the germanic people united under one christian rule.

Blogger Elizabeth January 06, 2017 9:37 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:In determining ones allies, keep in mind that the immigrant from Timbuktu may be a great neighbor but his kids, born at your local hospital, will often loathe you. People don't much control their offspring, which is where the predispositions of their DNA will exhibit.

NA_ALT is the same folly as "look at how appreciative are these Somalis who we imported." I believe my ancestry is English and Scottish, and my innate clannishness could surely derive from Scotland being outside the Hajnal Line.

We are no more or less than the code inscribed in every cell of our bodies, and no matter how much we desire to fly like eagles or swim life fish, our nature is fixed.


From what I've read, African black immigrants are critical of American blacks, but their children will identify with American blacks.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 06, 2017 9:38 AM  

Translation for the first piece, being that she is a fat white unattractive woman she is about the perfect example of the meta mind of the left, Una cannot attract and keep an Alpha white man and therefor we get these screeds from these carbohydrate annihilators.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 06, 2017 9:40 AM  

To bring jews back into the conversation I suggest they go watch Kubrick's "Clockwork Orange", they started this stupid shit and now look who is running the show, the Una's of the world.

Blogger The Kurgan January 06, 2017 9:45 AM  

Seriously, some of the commenters here seem to have the reading comprehension of a retarded newt on meth. Literally accusing VD of the exact opposite of what he's saying.

Blogger Elizabeth January 06, 2017 9:47 AM  

I don't understand why anyone in the Alt-Right identifies with the Nazis. Even if they hate Jews and wish them ill, they forget that the Nazis directly and indirectly killed millions of white people: shot them, bombed them, starved them. The eastern Europeans fared especially badly because they were considered untermenschen and targeted for enslavement and outright extermination. The Nazis were after lebensraum, not launching a holy Crusade against the godless Communists.

There are neo-Nazis in Russia. I guess that Naziism morphed into a more-expansive.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable January 06, 2017 9:56 AM  

Beefy lesbian Una Mullally should lay off the pies.

Thanks, Steve. That picture goes a long way to explaining all the butthurt.

Blogger wreckage January 06, 2017 9:56 AM  

@34, rather than basing your position on a rejection of a text that isn't relevant in any case, you could try a quick read of some of the genetic and language surveys of the region.

Genetically, the Jews are Canaanites. Palestinians are generally desert Arabs, although some are Persian or Syrian. The Greeks have been settled in the region for longer than the Arabs.

Your rejection of the Jewish religious histories should have led you to the fact that the Jews were there much, much longer than mere Abraham's lineage, but it didn't. You're still suckling at the teat of MSM ignorance. It's not even propaganda, since that would imply they know but lie. They don't. They disseminate anti-information from a bottomless pit of ignorance.

Blogger CynicalMan January 06, 2017 9:58 AM  

"...purposefully fluffy term for white supremacists, fascists, Nazis...", "...racist, misogynistic, trolling...", "...rage-filled, whining, impossibly sensitive and overly-emotional...", "...white supremacists, racists, anti-women internet trolls, Nazis, conspiracy theorists, anti-Semites and more..."

With such a command of SJW rhetoric I would have thought she easily could have elaborated on "more".

Blogger VD January 06, 2017 10:00 AM  

I don't understand why anyone in the Alt-Right identifies with the Nazis.

1. It upsets Jews.
2. It draws attention.

Neither of which is a credible justification.

Blogger Mocheirge January 06, 2017 10:06 AM  

What you actually need to know is that when someone starts a sentence like that, they are about to tell you the wholly honest, undistorted, untwisted truth about something they perfectly understand.

(Does urinalism 101 teach froshies to open every hit piece with that line?)

Blogger Elizabeth January 06, 2017 10:07 AM  

VD wrote:I believe that the Chicago incident should be magnified, amplified and through continuous commentary come to be understood as the catalyst that is the beginning of the end of the identity politics scam.

You don't understand the situation. Identity politics is not a scam. It is the new reality. Wake up and smell the demographics.

That's fair, but rather insubstantial considering that many nations felt - and acted - this way.

Irrelevant. If you have read the literature - and I have - National Socialism is a conscious ideology of pan-Germanic supremacy. To apply the phrase rather more accurately than Greg Johnson has, "if it's not pan-Germanic supremacy, it's not Nazism."

What do those have to do with white identity? No one - literally no one - on the Alt Right advocates for any kind of globalism or any kind of pan-European or pan-white superstate. A nexus or a federation is not a state.

Clearly you have not spoken in sufficient detail with Richard Spencer. Moreover, based on your example, you're demanding the same thing the EU did, and using the same tactics. I'm not saying a white ethnostate cannot exist; it can, and on the North American continent. I am saying a pan-white ethnostate will never exist, unless and until whites are put on a single reservation by their replacements.

It was impossible until it wasn't.

The German identity is that of the Prussian nation writ large. The French identity is that of the Ile de France writ large. You've failed to understand the process of ethnogenesis, which is that the identity is that which subsumes all the others. What you are fantasizing about is the idea of Europeans becoming Americans, which simply is not going to happen. That's why one almost always hears this nonsense from Americans.

Indeed, the very reason you guys use the term "white identity" rather than "European identity" is because you're not Europeans.

Your argument completely misses the point. There is no "white nation". There is no "white language". Therefore, there will be no "white state".


Whites will stick together in a prison setting for the obvious reason of mutual defense.

People by nature prefer their own kind - birds of a feather flock together. Non-whites and Jews are very tribal and are criticized if they don't favor their own kind. Whites will learn to stick together for mutual defense, like the whites in jail must do or be destroyed.

I've read that Indian Hindu nationalism is a reaction to Moslem fundamentalism and Sikh nationalism.



Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 06, 2017 10:10 AM  

I just want to be free, is that too much too ask?

All the intellectuals and nazis and other assorted types of the alt-right fall right back into the old traps the Left sets, and they seem to for the most part like it.

But there is light, and it shines from this blog, and before this blog it was from Bob Whitaker.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 06, 2017 10:11 AM  

1. It upsets Jews.
2. It draws attention.

Neither of which is a credible justification.


Anyone who throws a "right hand flat, arm outstretched" salute today is just a publicity whore, not one bit different than the special snowflake who announces as loudly as possible that he's always been a girl.

"Look at me! Look at me! Look at me!" is among the most nauseating, disgusting and loathsome behaviors to afflict anyone. It doesn't matter how it manifests, those who live their lives only in the light reflected from others are pathetic.

Blogger Elizabeth January 06, 2017 10:13 AM  

VD wrote:When German immigrants replaced the English stock in Wausau, WI they turned the place from solid Republican to out-and-out Socialist Party.

Exactly. The English are not the Germans any more than the Watusi are the Igbo. It doesn't mean they can't be allies, but they are never going to be co-nationals without losing who they are.


"Massholes" moved from Massachusetts to the live free or die state of New Hampshire and turned it blue. Hillary Clinton won with a slim margin in 2016.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 06, 2017 10:15 AM  

@48 I concur. I don't hate anyone. I just want to stop being forced to pay, in too many ways to enumerate, for others' folly or incapacity. I didn't make them self-destructive, or stupid, or impulsive. I shouldn't be forced to try to mitigate the natural consequences for their condition, or pay for the Utopian idiocy of turning their lead lives into spun gold.

Blogger Elizabeth January 06, 2017 10:19 AM  

VD wrote:I don't understand why anyone in the Alt-Right identifies with the Nazis.

1. It upsets Jews.

2. It draws attention.

Neither of which is a credible justification.


You're right - "yanking someone's chain" to aggravate them. It's childish and makes us look bad.

Blogger Bodo Staron January 06, 2017 10:23 AM  

It's amusing to me how many Americans discover their roots in Europe. Even going so far as to submit themselves to a DNA test, just to see where they came from.

Also somewhat amusing are the differences among whites in the US. It's a norm in Europe. Some readers think Germany is this great unified country? I wish you could read online commentary if the subject is "Bavaria".

You can read from "segregate them" to "build a wall around them" all the time.

I also would like the Jew hating 1488ers to understand that is not world Jewry that fights for more invasions. Because invasions are happening in Israel (lot's of Africans of different non Jewish background).

Right wing Jews fight this invasion. They also hate people like Soros.

Left wing jews in the west are trying to "transform" Israel too, make it more "diverse".

It's sick ideology not some ethnic or religious believe. Non religious Jews seem to be very much in favor of diversity.

Of course it's perfectly fine to use Israel as an example and also all the other countries that wish to exist as they are, and not getting diversified.

Blogger Ezekiel January 06, 2017 10:35 AM  

Buybuydandavis wrote:VD: "white nationalism" is an American phenomenon that is the direct result of this American mongrelization

If America were *only* white, it would still be one of the most multi ethnic societies. White multiculturalism basically worked in the US.

[b]Is there an Asian equivalent?[/b] African equivalent? I don't think so.

I don't know enough about South America to venture an opinion there.

Singapore?

(Note that Singapore is also about as close as you can get to philosophical fascism without getting Freedom'd by NATO these days. Funny how that works, eh?)

Blogger Sagramore January 06, 2017 10:35 AM  

Oprah?

Blogger Johnny January 06, 2017 10:38 AM  

Canaan (Palestine) is a passable region, a bridge between, several large population groups. As such it got invaded repeatedly, and the invaders often left portions of their population behind. If ever there was a mongrel group, it was the Canaanites at the time of Abraham. The Bible supports this indirectly in the various listings of Canaanite groups left to be conquered.

Abraham was probably Aramean, an ethnic group located around Damascus and the upper reaches of the Euphrates River, and maybe other places. Then again maybe he was Hittite, the people from Asia Minor. Realistically (for want of a better term) the Abraham group did not displace the locals except in some places and effectively added their genetic type to the local population.

I doubt the the current Palestinians are strongly related to the Canaanite population at the time of Abraham, as it is an easy to invade region with frequent population displacements. A hundred years ago the population of the region was very small.

The people who lived in the southern part of Palestine in the hill country came to be called Jews, as they were the people who lived in in Judea. They had the life shortening habit of rebelling from Roman rule, and what we now call Jews consists of those who were scattered in the final, lethal rebellion from Roman rule. Plus there was, apparently, already a Jewish diaspora in the Roman empire. Right from the start they were a trading people with ethnic enclaves in other parts of the empire.


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Blogger tz January 06, 2017 10:40 AM  

@5 in the war between the states and both World wars there were Christians on both sides killing each other.
The Christian "dumb black brother" - from a single mom? No job? Theft in some form? Lying?Breaking commandments and being disobedient to God - while claiming Christ? Do you as a brother CORRECT him, and will he still call you a brother?

Blogger Daniel January 06, 2017 10:40 AM  

Awesome comment! Pls post it in the original site

Blogger Daniel January 06, 2017 10:44 AM  

I have read about the germans and i think tvose were not their motivations. There are different versions and interpretations, and most of we think we know is soviet and jewish made up propanganda. Worth checking

Blogger Daniel January 06, 2017 10:45 AM  

Typing in an old lumia. Sry

Anonymous Dan January 06, 2017 10:45 AM  

53.Bodo

I also would like the Jew hating 1488ers to understand that is not world Jewry that fights for more invasions. Because invasions are happening in Israel.

That is not why people dislike jews. There is this jewish rabbi that constantly appears on a television program in my counry that constantly describes countries by dividing them into good and bad hosts. He also had the audacity to tell orthodox priests that the ottomans were the best hosts & that the great danger in Europe are not muslims but football hooligans. Also he is the nice one, the other jews just blatantly say that my country is backwards and call us racists at every step. Even our chief prosecutor was blackmailled by former Assad agents, thinking they could extort some easy money from the easily-manipulable goyim. And we don't even have that many jews here, think of places like Usa or GB.

Blogger August January 06, 2017 10:50 AM  

A little while ago I listened to econtalk: Thomas Leonard on Race, Eugenics, and Illiberal Reformers

The supposed Nazi doesn't sound like a Nazi, he sounds like Woodrow Wilson. Arguably, the guys at therightstuff.biz (at least some of them) are just pounding the original progressive line, and that's probably what scares the hell out of the left. Hilary can tell the minorities just didn't show up for her like she needed them to. Bernie and his supporters all know what color the crowds were.

Politicians are mostly interested in getting elected. The perceived status hit of being 'racist' is weakening. I won't be surprised to see leftists adopting some interesting stances in order to get elected.

Blogger tz January 06, 2017 10:53 AM  

@12 - This is the most common form of spirit cucking.
1. Everyone is created equal.
2. But men and women are different and have different roles.
Consider white "fraternal" twins, one a boy and one a girl. The same conservative will insist that even though they barely differ in DNA, the girl should be wife and mother, the Man breadwinner. Then say someone from Africa with very different DNA should be treated practically identically.

Even Revelation names Nations in the New Jerusalem.

It doesn't mean one nation is genetically less fallen than any other (the standards go up with grace). Equally hell bent. But nations can covenant with God, and he will both discipline and bless them.

Blogger Sheila4g January 06, 2017 11:01 AM  

@54 Ezekiel: "Singapore?"

While there exists a significant minority of Malaysians and Indian Hindus in Singapore, approximately 75% of the population is Han Chinese and identifies as such. Singaporeans are very much a self-conscious Chinese people. Back when we lived there for a few years, we hit the tail end of a public campaign to increase the birth rate - but very specifically, the Han Chinese birth rate. The previous campaign had succeeded, but only among the least desirable non-Chinese residents. This time, every poster specifically featured Han Chinese and their smiling children.

Talk to any Asian and, if he's being honest, he'll delineate for you what he perceives as the Asian pecking order (usually Japanese at the top, Laotians or Cambodians at the bottom).

Blogger Glenn Phillips January 06, 2017 11:02 AM  

@50
I must disagree. What turned NH blue was libs from the greater NY area and beyond wanting the country life. Tax averting Massholes are what keeps NH from looking like VT.

You're welcome.

Blogger Ezekiel January 06, 2017 11:04 AM  

Bodo Staron wrote:Left wing jews in the west are trying to "transform" Israel too, make it more "diverse".

It's sick ideology not some ethnic or religious believe. Non religious Jews seem to be very much in favor of diversity.

I can understand why so many Jews in Christian nations are non-nationalist and non-religious, since it's always been my assumption that the ones not like that are more likely to put their money where their mouth is and move to Israel... but why would a godless leftist ever be caught dead in Israel? What's the point of living in a desert, surrounded by other desert-dwellers who despise you, just because your particular patch of desert was given to your ancestors by a God that you personally don't believe in?

Blogger tz January 06, 2017 11:05 AM  

@48 I just want to be free, is that too much too ask? 
Yes. Beyond the problems of anarcho-libertarianism, you won't be free in Caracas (carcass?) on the southwest lake Michigan, or in LaCa, or Seattle.
Liberty is hard, takes eternal vigilance, and the 2nd amendment.

@50 the west's version is Californication. You need to militantly preserve and IMPOSE a culture so either people won't move in, won't stay, or will assimilate. Montana has a democratic governor courtesy of the pockets of SJWs (see the Spencer Mom in Whitefish ongoing dustup for an example). The LGBTQ advocates and traditionalists can't and won't coexist despite the bumper sticker.d

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 06, 2017 11:07 AM  

Why leave the Moral Level of war uncontested and in the hands of people like Una? Cucks have, intellectuals deathly fear the loss of their smart badges if they throw a rhetorical pilum but the alt-right gently tip toes onto the most important level of conflict and the Left has a meltdown, it's a good start.

Blogger Harsh January 06, 2017 11:08 AM  

If they just scream Nazi and racist a few more times, it will be true.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 06, 2017 11:09 AM  

@dc.sunsets
"Anyone who throws a "right hand flat, arm outstretched" salute today is just a publicity whore, not one bit different than the special snowflake who announces as loudly as possible that he's always been a girl."

Oy vey. If a Roman salute is that effective in triggering you, just think what it does to the Left...

Anonymous Eduardo January 06, 2017 11:10 AM  

Well the Left only really need to say that they are the only ones that will stand up to Minorities. People that vote or are open to vote to Left-Wing politicians usually perceive the Government as a problem solver, never a problem creator; so you guys have a race problem, so let's get the government to settle the issue (in favor of the non-Whites of course).

By 2020 the Democrats will defend that White people should pay reparations for everybody and that they should be banned from certain areas of the country, because if whites are allowed in these areas, the next level of Safe-Space policy, there will be fight and deaths

It is pretty clear this is a race-war from now on, so why not line up with the many races and declare those races "the TRUE American races". You will probably see stuff like politicians openly saying that the end of the White Race will be great for America (Non-White variant), and the necessity of bringing in more people of different colors to stabilize the racial tensions in America.

I mean all the Alt-Right will change in the Left's Narrative is that now they can come out of the Closet of Anti-White behavior with a perceivable moral High Ground, now they come out as heroes and protectors and providers; before they would come out as A-Holes and bigot and fascists.

Blogger Natalie January 06, 2017 11:11 AM  

We should also remember that pan-European nationalism hasn't work in the "United" States. Anyone who knows a modicum of history and who can look at an electoral college map can see this.

The Puritans in Yankeeland weren't the Cavaliers of the coastal South who weren't the Quakers of the midlands who weren't the Scotch-Irish who settled the back country of Appalachia.

We'll see how this plays out in the future....

Blogger tz January 06, 2017 11:12 AM  

@51 I just want to stop being forced to pay, in too many ways to enumerate, for others' folly or incapacity.
Then you will have to eject those "others" because when you don't volunteer to be their host, they will hate you and use violence (including government proxy).
At best we might get enough blue collar jobs back to allow many to work again, but I don't know if they will want to - claiming racism or disability. You have to be as ruthless in forcing them to work as they are in making you tax cattle.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 06, 2017 11:13 AM  

@Elizabeth
"You're right - "yanking someone's chain" to aggravate them. It's childish and makes us look bad."

Excellent point. Would you like to sign on to my "anti-trolling" campaign? Also, in order to make the Alt Right seem more mature, I've decided that we must get rid of those "memes." Much too puerile for a serious political movement, don't you agree?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 06, 2017 11:13 AM  

#67 I want to be free of them, free from them.

It starts with a mindset, not trying like a contard cuckservative having fruitless endless debates trying to convince lunatics to change their ways. But intellectuals still chase the Left's tail trying to make sense of "ists", "isms" and phobias of various sorts, I prefer freedom from all that, it starts there.

Same with the Jewsers, they never learn that they are being used in the Jew's morality play, endlessly. They should try the concept of Freedom as a starting point.

Anonymous BiigGayKoranBurner January 06, 2017 11:14 AM  

the coming years might hold – a public arena emptied of any civility

The only civility was on the right.

Beefy lesbian Una Mullally should lay off the pies.

The first lesbian hate hoax of the year is a registered dietician who claims to have quit because she was going to be fired for having a rainbow screensaver in that conservative bastion of Boulder CO. That place is almost as bad as NYC where a waiter is suing for $1mill because his boss said he dressed like a fag.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/boulder-hospital-employee-quits-over-gay-pride-flag-screen-saver?autoplay=true

keep in mind that the immigrant from Timbuktu may be a great neighbor but his kids, born at your local hospital, will often loathe you

The immigrant has a good idea of what a nation filled with people like him is like. The spawn think the only reason their homeland didn't have running water is because whitey didn't build it for them because he was selfish.

NA_ALT is the same folly as "look at how appreciative are these Somalis who we imported."

I don't believe anyone has ever honestly said that.

Anyone who throws a "right hand flat, arm outstretched" salute today is just a publicity whore,

What is the name of the new antijew one they do with the arm down, started by a moslem comic in France?

I also would like the Jew hating 1488ers to understand that is not world Jewry that fights for more invasions.

I wish they fought instead of sabotaging for shekels, your complaints about their tactics spilling into Israel just means they are sloppy with the poisoned kool aid. In the book Sea of Skulls one character wouldn't use poison arrows because of that risk of nicking oneself.

Blogger Technocratic Union January 06, 2017 11:15 AM  

So why do you hate white people?

Anonymous Eduardo January 06, 2017 11:16 AM  

Intellectuals have no Smart Badges when it comes to telling people what THEIR lifes are all about. It is the reason why Bozos like Hawking wonder why his Ivory Tower looks even more Towery.

They don't know why things are happening, they replaced their values a long time ago, and shoved inside their own heads that Humanity's "thought" are better off as similar as it gets to theirs. Ever saw any intellectual drooling in passion that someone is different than they are??? Because I sure as heck never saw anyone like that.

Yeah many of them defend that is important to be challenged but that rules does not apply to perfect people like them, no one defend that rule if they perceive that there is a good chance they will prey to it.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 06, 2017 11:18 AM  

@tz
"the Spencer Mom in Whitefish ongoing dustup for an example"

Are you referring to (((Tanya Gersh)))'s attempt to extort money from Spencer's mom, by any chance?

Blogger tz January 06, 2017 11:20 AM  

@68 demand any SJW denounce #BLMKidnapping, and if they hesitate, tell them "oh, I see, you're one of those white genocide types and agree with the thugs and want to kidnap, torture, and kill me", and just keep up the "you hate me" rhetoric until they collapse. It even gets to be fun.

And the race war has just been livestreamed.

Blogger Ezekiel January 06, 2017 11:21 AM  

Sheila4g wrote:@54 Ezekiel: "Singapore?"

While there exists a significant minority of Malaysians and Indian Hindus in Singapore, approximately 75% of the population is Han Chinese and identifies as such. Singaporeans are very much a self-conscious Chinese people. Back when we lived there for a few years, we hit the tail end of a public campaign to increase the birth rate - but very specifically, the Han Chinese birth rate. The previous campaign had succeeded, but only among the least desirable non-Chinese residents. This time, every poster specifically featured Han Chinese and their smiling children.

Talk to any Asian and, if he's being honest, he'll delineate for you what he perceives as the Asian pecking order (usually Japanese at the top, Laotians or Cambodians at the bottom).

...yeah. Switzerland, that other oft-cited example of successful multiculturalism, looks like it was historically about the same. If you have to have multiculturalism, that's probably about as good as you can do unless you want to do Brazilian-style "everyone fucking everyone until we're all the same shade of pinkish-brown and speak the same language", and that didn't work either.

Anonymous User January 06, 2017 11:24 AM  

Victory is the supreme political principle because without it nothing else matters. History is replete with examples of what happens to losers, be they nations, religions, sects, tribes, or any other identifiable people.

So unless you want your men killed, your women raped, your cities sacked, your monuments toppled, your songs forgotten, and your faith recalled only in Heaven, it is absolutely essential to take an ideological posture that leads to victory.

I'm ok with calling that posture fascism for the same reason I'm ok with calling our government a republic despite its bearing little resemblance to the pre-principiate SPQR. It's simple, evocative, cheeky, and visual.

Blogger tz January 06, 2017 11:25 AM  

@79 Yes. That was the start, now "Love Lives Here" is doing anti-racist rallies (in -40 windchill, or at least plan to - blubber is useful for some things). The Stormers are also planning a march. Then there's MLK day.

SJWs and Muslims ("refugees") need to be banished or there will be no peace. This is not hate, just fact because they will neither assimilate or coexist.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 06, 2017 11:26 AM  

A good analysis, Vox, but critiquing Mullally's screed as if it were rational dialectic is shooting fish in a barrel. Perhaps "Triggered!" Would suffice? On a related note, I'll have to start calling people "neo-Bolsheviks" more often.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 06, 2017 11:30 AM  

what was that third law again?

I make a conscious effort to not draw the Venn diagram of the intersection of Leftists, SJWs and Gammas as a single circle. But some days it is very hard not to do that.

In the comment section on Nagle's article - an article where she mentions "...chilling levels of pack pleasure when conducting career-ending, life-destroying hate campaigns against people for minor infringements against the liberal moral code...", two commenters patted each other on the back about how horrible internet anonymity was. It's an interesting sort of blindness.

Blogger tz January 06, 2017 11:31 AM  

Glenn Greenwald is purged

He will eventually notice it is war and truth doesn't matter to his side.

But I really haven’t experienced anything even remotely like the smear campaign that has been launched by Democrats in this really coordinated way ever since I began just expressing skepticism about the prevailing narrative over Russia and its role that it allegedly played in the election and, in particular, in helping to defeat Hillary Clinton. I mean, not even the reporting I did based on the Edward Snowden archive, which was extremely controversial in multiple countries around the world, not even that compared to the attacks now.

Blogger Ezekiel January 06, 2017 11:34 AM  

Francis Parker Yockey wrote:@Elizabeth

"You're right - "yanking someone's chain" to aggravate them. It's childish and makes us look bad."

Excellent point. Would you like to sign on to my "anti-trolling" campaign? Also, in order to make the Alt Right seem more mature, I've decided that we must get rid of those "memes." Much too puerile for a serious political movement, don't you agree?

Over on everyjoe, Tom Kratman has suggested that we actively try to drive the leftists into a psychotic frenzy. I think he's hoping that it'll push a number of them into doing something truly stupid (a series of half-serious assassination attempts perhaps) which will give Trump the excuse he needs to send Delta Force after Soros and start tossing their professors out of helicopters.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl January 06, 2017 11:35 AM  

This is the 3rd Law in Action, to a tee.

Leftists follow Hitlerism generally, except their disagreement is on who the master race is, that's all. For the modern Leftist, the Master Race! is an admixture of brown peoples.

Where Hitler found strength in pagan and Eastern philosophies, the modern Left/SJW finds it in a strange mixture of Lysenkoism and Islam, the latter being for the foot soldiers.

But the Left, being the Left, has no argument besides projection and distraction. They simply brand Nazism as the Right because the Nazis fought the Bolsheviks. Most of the Left is just as anti-semitic as Hitler, and would jump at the chance to eradicate the Jews as well.

So, yes - Alt-Right =/= Nazi as the Alt-Right is anti-Left.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 06, 2017 11:36 AM  

Speaking of Venn diagrams, perhaps some people are confused by the fact that a pan-white ethnostate and Western Civilization are two very different things that just happen to include roughly the same group of people.

Anonymous BBGKB January 06, 2017 11:40 AM  

OT: molesting schoolteacher couple kills selves because society is unfair to them, no remorse.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2017/01/04/a-teacher-and-his-husband-were-found-dead-in-august-police-say-theyd-sexually-abused-8-teens/?utm_term=.a00dd1071682

"Deyo’s parents gave investigators a suicide note that the couple sent them a few days earlier, according to the Pioneer Press. It stated that the accusations were “too great to overcome” that the couple decided to “choose their own destinies rather than experience the embarrassment, ridicule, hatred and inevitable loss of freedom that the justice system would give.”

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 06, 2017 11:41 AM  

@DemonicProfessorEl
"Leftists follow Hitlerism generally, except their disagreement is on who the master race is, that's all. For the modern Leftist, the Master Race! is an admixture of brown peoples."

Just be sure to remember that "Master Race" and "Chosen People" are TOTALLY different concepts. Very important.

Blogger pyrrhus January 06, 2017 11:42 AM  

The great thing about the Alt-right is that it mainly consists of the realization that western civilization is in danger of being destroyed, and that it cannot survive without large numbers of whites. Ideology is not important, and neither are leaders...

Blogger Cail Corishev January 06, 2017 11:43 AM  

I wrote an explanation of the Alt-Right and where it came from for family and friends who are generally conservative but also Midwest Nice and easily swayed by charges of Nazism or meanness or whatever. I don't know if it gained any converts, but it seems to have calmed some of their media-whipped-up fears.

Blogger Johnny January 06, 2017 11:43 AM  

Intellectuals have no Smart Badges when it comes to telling people what THEIR lives are all about. It is the reason why Bozos like Hawking wonder why his Ivory Tower looks even more Towery.

The thing about intellectuals is that their social circumstance is more important than their ideology. To change what they think, change the situation.

Way back when college under the Greeks and later the Romans was a mix of philosophy and warrior training. Eventually it became a mix of training for the priesthood along with noblemen wanting to turn their sons into gentlemen. The output was ministers and class snobs.

Some degree of communist/socialist training developed, and after WWII skill training for the new high tech industries became more important. Eventually the government took to funding any kind of education and it the social sciences it became the current clap trap stuff we have now: a mix of virtue signaling along with collectivist ideology. The logic of it is that the intellectual class implicitly expects to be the class that will run the multi-culture or globalist society. As always it is self serving.

Blogger Austin Ballast January 06, 2017 11:45 AM  

A dumb black Christian is still more my brother at arms than the useful idiot white fool...

Neither are good associates.

I recently heard a story of a woman in our church who was joking around (as normal per her) with those on her job and got reported for a racial charge by the black wife of a worship leader at another church.

This woman had no issue using the power of the state to attack another Christian. The woman who got charged was not one I would spend lots of time with, but I find this use of the idiotic rules to be more reprehensible.

Being willing to use SJW tactics, as many blacks do today, exposes their true allegiance. God can sort things out in the next life, but we have to live here.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 06, 2017 11:46 AM  

Beefy lesbian Una Mullally should lay off the pies.

Are we sure that's not Scalzi doing another one of his drag-queen photoshoots?

Blogger Robert Divinity January 06, 2017 11:46 AM  

refusing to engage

Ignoring and marginalizing (admittedly they do the latter themselves quite well) the Social Justice Warriors sticks in their craws the most.

Add to We. Don't. Care. "About. You."

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl January 06, 2017 11:54 AM  

Francis Parker Yockey wrote:Just be sure to remember that "Master Race" and "Chosen People" are TOTALLY different concepts. Very important.

True. For what I wrote, it really depends on the Leftist scholarship. Mostly, I base it off the concept of the "Cosmic Race" and how it's getting utilized now and in the past 10 years or so.

They dance around the rhetoric and split hairs, but the Left's new "beige horizon" shows this. Instead of picking a single "race," they've gone the route of positivism and said "Whites are the dirty peoples and must be genocided."

Which, when examining the history, is not that surprising. Look at Arabic or sub-Saharan societies - all top down, hierarchical, redistributionist cultures that don't believe in progress, or, well, anything really. The perfect slate for the Communist scam. This is contradictory to Marx, who felt that only white people (Europeans, Americans) could be true communist societies.

What happened in white countries that adhered to communism? Communism never really took hold - Russian culture was too strong, Polish culture, Serbian culture, and on and on. Even the post-war Germans and Italians regarded the forays into Nazism and Fascism as embarrassments (before the Reds took over the institutions again, that is), and their cultures just went back to what they were.

Marx, and the 19th century Progressives (who liked eugenics to get a "master race" to be the intellectual vanguard) were proven wrong, essentially.

Globalist Communism fails in Western countries. So, their modern strategy is to import genetic communalists from other countries to usher in the utopia.

Blogger Johnny January 06, 2017 12:11 PM  

Which, when examining the history, is not that surprising. Look at Arabic or sub-Saharan societies - all top down, hierarchical, redistributionist cultures that don't believe in progress, or, well, anything really. The perfect slate for the Communist scam.

The problem with the tribe, the village, the commune of whatever sort is that social standing determines the justifiable level of well being. They all tend to be economic levelers because being more productive does not merit a person getting a better material return. Greater material well being without higher social status is seen as the individual being unjustly rewarded at best. The manner of redistribution varies.

What we call progress was achieved through a mix of the application of science to production along with letting the more productive keep at least some of their gains. It required a shift in what was regarded as social acceptable behavior. That is why Adam Smith's "invisible hand" ideology was important. It argued in favor of allowing people to openly seek material gain without being seen as evil, and than in turn allowed the early capitalists to achieve an element of social acceptance, and thus, getting to keep what they earned.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl January 06, 2017 12:14 PM  

Not to write another thread-killer, but one thing that's reliable about the Left is that they'll never actually engage with the argument, either dialectically or rhetorically (except at the infancy level).

All one has to do to win an argument with a Leftist is to say something, then let them fly off the handle. Any people with two marbles will see it.

Human instinct is pretty powerful. When people see all the lies coming out about the Alt-Right, they move away from the people slamming shoes on the ground and crying, much like animals shy away from the rabid.

Blogger SDaly January 06, 2017 12:19 PM  

OT - Thoroughly enjoyed "Amazon Gambit" thanks for that, Vox.

Blogger VD January 06, 2017 12:19 PM  

Oy vey. If a Roman salute is that effective in triggering you, just think what it does to the Left...

That's irrelevant. Why do you guys find it so difficult to understand that different objectives call for different tactics?

The ironic thing is that the Alt-White obsession with "triggering" is almost identical to the SF moderates whose singular goal is to "explode heads". Neither of you have any concept of what winning involves or even looks like.

Yes, the meme magic is great. It is effective. But it is of limited utility, and of negative utility in certain battlegrounds. It's a rhetorical tactic that is worse than useless in all dialectical conflicts and many rhetorical ones.

Imagine if Donald Trump had gotten up at the third debate wearing a Swastika armband and started making faces, throwing Nazi salutes, shouting "WHOOO, PRAISE KEK!" If you can understand that would have been counterproductive, you should be able to make this grand conceptual leap.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl January 06, 2017 12:20 PM  

Johnny wrote:The problem with the tribe, the village, the commune of whatever sort is that social standing determines the justifiable level of well being. They all tend to be economic levelers because being more productive does not merit a person getting a better material return. Greater material well being without higher social status is seen as the individual being unjustly rewarded at best. The manner of redistribution varies.

What we call progress was achieved through a mix of the application of science to production along with letting the more productive keep at least some of their gains. It required a shift in what was regarded as social acceptable behavior. That is why Adam Smith's "invisible hand" ideology was important. It argued in favor of allowing people to openly seek material gain without being seen as evil, and than in turn allowed the early capitalists to achieve an element of social acceptance, and thus, getting to keep what they earned.


Precisely this. Which is why the Left is so adamant on nullifying all orders and instituting chaos. What you describe is a decentralized, natural order to primarily Western civilization (though variations are found elsewhere), and is how the West became dominant.

The Left's desire is to break down all those natural components while centralizing authority. The earlier Marxists thought you could just take over the system then, pow!, communism. But the cultural underpinnings were too strong. Which is why the chaotic-authoritarianism (anarcho-tyrannism) of Islam works well for them.

But you have it exactly right :)

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor January 06, 2017 12:22 PM  

@41 The mythos that 4chan /pol/ culture has created ignores many of the ugly historical realities of National Socialism while heralding it as the ultimate anti-globalist, anti-establishment movement. I would suggest that it isn't proper National Socialism that Alt-Righters are identifying with, but rather the 4chan culture that isn't quite grasped by those who haven't been immersed in it. You find the same phenomena on the left as they, for example, celebrate the avowed white supremacist Abraham Lincoln as a liberating savior and champion of equality. Everyone needs heroes, and sometimes the heroes who inspire us are not entirely real.

I do believe that the Nazi amime Twitter accounts served a valuable purpose in triggering journalists into ridiculous overreactions over the past 18 months, but it would be an error to assume that a tactic that was effective in one situation will be equally effective in another. Real life Nazi-larping isn't going to win over many people.

Blogger Thucydides January 06, 2017 12:23 PM  

@37

Educators and the rest of the Deep State apparatus make every effort to indoctrinate blacks into the "Black" identity of learned helplessness and servile gratitude to their Democrat plantation masters. It is a political project, and it is easy to see when you look at the vitriol unleashed at high performance people who defy the "narrative", despite their accomplishments as General officers, doctors, diplomats or Justices (Collin Powell, Dr. Ben Carson, Dr. Condeleeza Rice, Justice Clarance Thomas).

While these are admittedly exceptional individuals, they are certainly not being held up as exemplars of what Black Americans can be or can aspire to become. Black immigrants should perhaps be indoctrinated to use these people as examples, rather than let their kids be dragged down into the crab bucket. Culture really does have a huge influence, which should be emphasized as much as genetics. If we want better outcomes, we need to gather and deploy all the tools that can assist us as well.

As for the initial subject of the post, I am trying out Samizdat: printing the 16 points and posting them on physical bulletin boards, bus shelters and so on. While more labour intensive, it is also more difficult for SJW's to delete it from blog posts, the media etc.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl January 06, 2017 12:28 PM  

Thucydides wrote:As for the initial subject of the post, I am trying out Samizdat: printing the 16 points and posting them on physical bulletin boards, bus shelters and so on. While more labour intensive, it is also more difficult for SJW's to delete it from blog posts, the media etc.

How very Alt-Right of you :) Perhaps we should just make "altright" be a synonym for "hardcore" or "badass" now? A little helpful rhetoric haha.

Anyway, that's a really good idea. It's hard to dox a flyer.

And agreed on the black community. While the majority may fly under the SJW banner, a good chunk do not. Time will tell, but for the moment, they're allies more than some white cuck in Wisconsin, Iowa, or Belgium.

Blogger Elizabeth January 06, 2017 12:36 PM  

@50
I must disagree. What turned NH blue was libs from the greater NY area and beyond wanting the country life. Tax averting Massholes are what keeps NH from looking like VT.

You're welcome.

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65 @ Glenn Phillips

I didn't know that. Someone told me about the influx of folks from Massachusetts (like Scott Brown) and called them "Massholes." I never heard the term before.

Two couples I knew from here in NJ moved to New Hampshire, but they were definitely live free or die people.

I would think that New Yorkers would head south for the country life because it's warmer.

Blogger James Dixon January 06, 2017 12:40 PM  

> Over on everyjoe, Tom Kratman has suggested that we actively try to drive the leftists into a psychotic frenzy.

I don't think we have to do much. Trump's election is doing a lot of that that all by itself. All we have to do is be visible and vocal, and the rest will take care of itself.

Though I think it might help if Trump made https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EqWN4fT79s the theme song for his inauguration.

Blogger Chiva January 06, 2017 12:43 PM  

a public arena emptied of any civility

Foolish liberals. You set up the battlefield, you set up the rules, now you complain when we show up to fight?

Foolish liberals have you not read Rudyard Kipling?

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl January 06, 2017 12:44 PM  

@107 Elizabeth

Overall, that's what I've found to be true. I lived in South Dakota for a while, and met some Californians and Illinoisans just for the fact that they could live in "America" as they called it. First things they did was to buy guns haha.

That happened in rural Michigan too. The Lefties don't last long when they find out they're surrounded by rednecks and have a winter with feet of snow (not just inches). Lefty Democrats and nature don't mix well.

(Believe me, they tried to change stuff out in the country to suburban rules, but they were laughed away. I remember one time they tried to get a law passed making it illegal to have chickens. Out in the woods. Again, they didn't last very long.)

Blogger Elizabeth January 06, 2017 12:49 PM  

tz wrote:@48 I just want to be free, is that too much too ask? 

Yes. Beyond the problems of anarcho-libertarianism, you won't be free in Caracas (carcass?) on the southwest lake Michigan, or in LaCa, or Seattle.

Liberty is hard, takes eternal vigilance, and the 2nd amendment.

@50 the west's version is Californication. You need to militantly preserve and IMPOSE a culture so either people won't move in, won't stay, or will assimilate. Montana has a democratic governor courtesy of the pockets of SJWs (see the Spencer Mom in Whitefish ongoing dustup for an example). The LGBTQ advocates and traditionalists can't and won't coexist despite the bumper sticker.d


I can imagine a bunch of New Jerseyans retiring to a real-life Mayberry in North Carolina because of the warmer winters and lower cost of living and then complaining about the lack of government services. Duh! That's one reason why the cost of living is lower! Want high taxes to find an abundance of government services - stay in New Jersey.

Reminds me of immigrants who come to America and then seek to replicate their homeland (Moslems come to mind with their missionary "dawah" impulse).

Blogger James Dixon January 06, 2017 12:52 PM  

> I can imagine a bunch of New Jerseyans retiring to a real-life Mayberry in North Carolina...

Well, there is no Mayberry as such, but he was from Mount Airy, and they seem to claim the title. The New Jersyans would be better served by Winston Salem an hour or so down the road.

Anonymous Tom of Aquino January 06, 2017 12:55 PM  

"But Jesus replied, “Who is My mother, and who are My brothers?” Pointing to His disciples, He said, “Here are My mother and My brothers. For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”…

Blogger Elizabeth January 06, 2017 12:56 PM  

Francis Parker Yockey wrote:@Elizabeth

"You're right - "yanking someone's chain" to aggravate them. It's childish and makes us look bad."

Excellent point. Would you like to sign on to my "anti-trolling" campaign? Also, in order to make the Alt Right seem more mature, I've decided that we must get rid of those "memes." Much too puerile for a serious political movement, don't you agree?


Choose your battles. The Nazi salute is a turn off to an awful lot of people. Too many Americans, like myself, had relatives who fought them in Europe. We can do it in private, but Alt-Rights must be careful about doing it in public, even jokingly. I saw the photo and realize that it was a joke, but the media made a big deal about it.

Of course, leftists can wear Che Guevera t-shirts. They could wear Joe Stalin t-shirts and that could be fine with the media.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl January 06, 2017 12:57 PM  

@112 James Dixon

From what I've seen, the Jerseyans seem to prefer the vibrancy of Charlotte and Concord.

Blogger Elizabeth January 06, 2017 12:57 PM  

Natalie wrote:We should also remember that pan-European nationalism hasn't work in the "United" States. Anyone who knows a modicum of history and who can look at an electoral college map can see this.

The Puritans in Yankeeland weren't the Cavaliers of the coastal South who weren't the Quakers of the midlands who weren't the Scotch-Irish who settled the back country of Appalachia.

We'll see how this plays out in the future....


You read the book "Albion's Seed" I didn't, but read about it. I will read it some day.

Anonymous GregMan January 06, 2017 1:00 PM  

"Beefy lesbian Una Mullally should lay off the pies.

Thanks, Steve. That picture goes a long way to explaining all the butthurt.
"

And that's a LOT of butt to hurt.

Blogger Innostran January 06, 2017 1:03 PM  

Great post! I think the neo-Nazi types that insist they are part of the alt-Right really can't (at least dialectically) justify their membership in a movement that supports nationalism for all peoples and politically right-wing principles while simultaneously declaring their affinity with a movement (national socialism/fascism) that did not believe in nationalism for most white peoples (especially Eastern Europeans and Baltic peoples) and sought to destroy and/or subjugate them while supporting left-wing socialist economic and social policies at home.

Blogger Elizabeth January 06, 2017 1:05 PM  

@87 - Ezekiel

Over on everyjoe, Tom Kratman has suggested that we actively try to drive the leftists into a psychotic frenzy. I think he's hoping that it'll push a number of them into doing something truly stupid (a series of half-serious assassination attempts perhaps) which will give Trump the excuse he needs to send Delta Force after Soros and start tossing their professors out of helicopters.
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Trolling can be fun - refer to Donald Trump as the God Emperor Ascendent to a liberal, especially a touchy one. He he! I would lay off the Nazi salutes at this point because the Alt-Right movement is still in its early stage. Again, my opinion is too choose your battles.

Blogger Elizabeth January 06, 2017 1:15 PM  

VD wrote:Oy vey. If a Roman salute is that effective in triggering you, just think what it does to the Left...

That's irrelevant. Why do you guys find it so difficult to understand that different objectives call for different tactics?

The ironic thing is that the Alt-White obsession with "triggering" is almost identical to the SF moderates whose singular goal is to "explode heads". Neither of you have any concept of what winning involves or even looks like.

Yes, the meme magic is great. It is effective. But it is of limited utility, and of negative utility in certain battlegrounds. It's a rhetorical tactic that is worse than useless in all dialectical conflicts and many rhetorical ones.

Imagine if Donald Trump had gotten up at the third debate wearing a Swastika armband and started making faces, throwing Nazi salutes, shouting "WHOOO, PRAISE KEK!" If you can understand that would have been counterproductive, you should be able to make this grand conceptual leap.


Great response! Amongst ourselves, we can crack in-jokes about Kek and even flash a Nazi salute, but outsiders would either not understand or be turned off.

Blogger James Dixon January 06, 2017 1:25 PM  

> From what I've seen, the Jerseyans seem to prefer the vibrancy of Charlotte and Concord.

Hey, Winston Salem is vibrant. They have Wake Forest University and a Martin Luther King, Jr. Drive and everything. :)

But yeah, I'm sure they would prefer the big city of Charlotte and it's bedroom communities.

Blogger Elizabeth January 06, 2017 1:32 PM  

Noah B The MacroAggressor wrote:@41 The mythos that 4chan /pol/ culture has created ignores many of the ugly historical realities of National Socialism while heralding it as the ultimate anti-globalist, anti-establishment movement. I would suggest that it isn't proper National Socialism that Alt-Righters are identifying with, but rather the 4chan culture that isn't quite grasped by those who haven't been immersed in it. You find the same phenomena on the left as they, for example, celebrate the avowed white supremacist Abraham Lincoln as a liberating savior and champion of equality. Everyone needs heroes, and sometimes the heroes who inspire us are not entirely real.

I do believe that the Nazi amime Twitter accounts served a valuable purpose in triggering journalists into ridiculous overreactions over the past 18 months, but it would be an error to assume that a tactic that was effective in one situation will be equally effective in another. Real life Nazi-larping isn't going to win over many people.


Great response! Thanks. Think of the deification of Martin Luther King by some in the right. I'm not familiar with 4Chan culture. I guess that some people see Hitler as a champion of white people, ignoring the fact that Hitler and the Nazis were responsible for the deaths of millions of people, most of them white, throughout Europe, north Africa and the middle east.

I read that the first German troops entering the Soviet Union were greeted as liberators. The Nazis made both a tactical and moral mistake is treating the Soviet people as untermenschen. The SS did raise a division of Ukrainians living in Polish Galicia to fight the Soviets. I guess that they weren't untermenschen at that point.

Blogger Elizabeth January 06, 2017 1:40 PM  

James Dixon wrote:> From what I've seen, the Jerseyans seem to prefer the vibrancy of Charlotte and Concord.

Hey, Winston Salem is vibrant. They have Wake Forest University and a Martin Luther King, Jr. Drive and everything. :)

But yeah, I'm sure they would prefer the big city of Charlotte and it's bedroom communities.


I hear people talking about moving to North Carolina after they retire. NJ and the entire NYC area are expensive to live in and many retirees cannot afford to stay.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 06, 2017 1:41 PM  

The Alt-Right avoids debate

Actually so far as she's concerned this is accurate.

Mind you, you have to frame the term "debate" the way she does.

Which means beginning by implicitly or better still explicitly accepting the SJW paradigm before the "debate" begins.

And in her defense up until the rise of the Alt Right journalists like her could count on conservatives doing exactly that.

Accepting the left's world view was the price of admission if the right wing wanted to get even a severely watered down version of their viewpoint across.

Of course we are happy enough to engage in debates with them but we always start by rejecting their paradigm. And at this point they have no way to cope with that. So far as they are concerned there is no starting point for the discussion because that would involve examining their own viewpoint and they don't dare do that for a second.

Blogger Elizabeth January 06, 2017 1:53 PM  

Innostran wrote:Great post! I think the neo-Nazi types that insist they are part of the alt-Right really can't (at least dialectically) justify their membership in a movement that supports nationalism for all peoples and politically right-wing principles while simultaneously declaring their affinity with a movement (national socialism/fascism) that did not believe in nationalism for most white peoples (especially Eastern Europeans and Baltic peoples) and sought to destroy and/or subjugate them while supporting left-wing socialist economic and social policies at home.

Excellent observations. The Nazis did not conduct a war against the Soviet Union with the goal of liberating the captive people within it. They planned to enslave and exterminate the Slavic people and colonize eastern Europe. As time went on, even the SS recruited troops from among their subject peoples, under the guise of fighting Bolshevism.

Blogger tz January 06, 2017 1:55 PM  

@124
I'd love to see Glenn Greenwald debate Milo. Even more than Milo v. Shapiro.

Blogger Elizabeth January 06, 2017 1:57 PM  

DemonicProfessorEl wrote:@107 Elizabeth

Overall, that's what I've found to be true. I lived in South Dakota for a while, and met some Californians and Illinoisans just for the fact that they could live in "America" as they called it. First things they did was to buy guns haha.

That happened in rural Michigan too. The Lefties don't last long when they find out they're surrounded by rednecks and have a winter with feet of snow (not just inches). Lefty Democrats and nature don't mix well.

(Believe me, they tried to change stuff out in the country to suburban rules, but they were laughed away. I remember one time they tried to get a law passed making it illegal to have chickens. Out in the woods. Again, they didn't last very long.)


Libs are usually urban or suburban folk.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl January 06, 2017 2:16 PM  

@121 James Dixon

For sure Winston-Salem is vibrant, but have seen less Yankees there (from a few visits).

You're probably more an expert than I am though - I'm a newb to the area! PS - I'm no Yankee either. The Rust Belters are not Yankees!

Elizabeth wrote:Libs are usually urban or suburban folk.

For sure. They try to make the rural into little enclaves, but I've found it doesn't work well for them.

I wonder if Colorado and Montana got libbed up because of government job expansion? Most of their growth is libs moving to granola towns in those places...

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros January 06, 2017 2:31 PM  

Elizabeth wrote:I guess that some people see Hitler as a champion of white people, ignoring the fact that Hitler and the Nazis were responsible for the deaths of millions of people, most of them white, throughout Europe, north Africa and the middle east.

It's far less literal than that. Hitler-worship ignores everything about Hitler that is inconsistent with what the Alt-White wants and believes, and focuses on the points of agreement. The reason Hitler and Nazis are the symbol is because they are the number-one rhetorical weapon of our enemies. The Holocaust was stamped into our psyche as the worst thing that ever happened, which we must all intensely focus our eyes on and heedlessly walk backwards from as fast as possible.

The strategic thought behind Nazi LARPing is the expectation that people will slowly realize that the "actual Nazis" of today post cartoon frogs, and are less actually violent than the average African-American, for example, and then re-evaluate their moral kneejerk reactions.

But it's also a form of magical thinking; it is an act of defilement similar to dunking crucifixes in urine. The Alt-White doesn't use it to represent socialist economics, deporting the Poles from Poland, or innovations in tank warfare. It is a gleeful declaration that "everything you hate and fear is now our flag."

As with all magical thinking, of course, some will come to take it literally, and foot-soldiers, especially green recruits, have no concept of strategic nuance.

Blogger Sillon Bono January 06, 2017 3:15 PM  

The great waves of history are in motion, and there is very little we can do besides observe them and describe their effects.

The great redpilling has begun, nothing can be done to stop it now, the left worked hard for it, good peoples of the left, SJW et all, enjoy your endless supply of red pills! You're going to drown in them.

They wanted so desperately an enemy to fight isn't? behold an entire army before your eyes!

Blogger Bodo Staron January 06, 2017 3:17 PM  

Dan wrote:53.Bodo

That is not why people dislike jews. There is this jewish rabbi that constantly appears on a television program in my counry that constantly describes countries by dividing them into good and bad hosts. He also had the audacity to tell orthodox priests that the ottomans were the best hosts & that the great danger in Europe are not muslims but football hooligans. Also he is the nice one, the other jews just blatantly say that my country is backwards and call us racists at every step. Even our chief prosecutor was blackmailled by former Assad agents, thinking they could extort some easy money from the easily-manipulable goyim. And we don't even have that many jews here, think of places like Usa or GB.


What country is that?
It's perfectly fine to mock and attack this Rabbi with articles and Youtube videos. Thinking about, why the hell is he in your country if it's so backward and racist?
There is some stuff available about Nazis and Muslim collaboration, so you could also attack using this information. Call him suicidal.

Blogger Bodo Staron January 06, 2017 3:28 PM  

Ezekiel wrote:

I can understand why so many Jews in Christian nations are non-nationalist and non-religious, since it's always been my assumption that the ones not like that are more likely to put their money where their mouth is and move to Israel... but why would a godless leftist ever be caught dead in Israel? What's the point of living in a desert, surrounded by other desert-dwellers who despise you, just because your particular patch of desert was given to your ancestors by a God that you personally don't believe in?


As far as I have figured it out there are two groups:
Jews in the West who are ultra-liberals and want to transform Israel into something else.
I don't actually think these people would like to move to Israel. They might go there for vacation, then dwell on the hardship of the Palestinians and think from their posh apartments in New York the solution will be a diverse Israel.

The other group are Jews actually living in Israel and are simply very leftist thinkers. They will use the same words as other leftists, human rights, diversity is strength, be more open yada, yada.

Anonymous Kel January 06, 2017 3:49 PM  

Vox, thanks for this. Sometimes I read the altright Reddit group and it is dominated by neo-Nazis and people who think Hitler was great. I wonder if they are merely doing it to troll or if they actually believe it. There's also a heavy dose of holocaust denial as well.

While I understand that there are no enemies to the right, sometimes the stupidity of them all makes it insufferable. I would kindly encourage you to continue on this vein of how the Alt-Right is not fascist, Nazi, or nationally socialist, while still being white nationalist in America as well as pro-nationalism for all other peoples.

Blogger Elizabeth January 06, 2017 4:00 PM  

Elizabeth wrote:
I guess that some people see Hitler as a champion of white people, ignoring the fact that Hitler and the Nazis were responsible for the deaths of millions of people, most of them white, throughout Europe, north Africa and the middle east.


It's far less literal than that. Hitler-worship ignores everything about Hitler that is inconsistent with what the Alt-White wants and believes, and focuses on the points of agreement. The reason Hitler and Nazis are the symbol is because they are the number-one rhetorical weapon of our enemies. The Holocaust was stamped into our psyche as the worst thing that ever happened, which we must all intensely focus our eyes on and heedlessly walk backwards from as fast as possible.

The strategic thought behind Nazi LARPing is the expectation that people will slowly realize that the "actual Nazis" of today post cartoon frogs, and are less actually violent than the average African-American, for example, and then re-evaluate their moral kneejerk reactions.

But it's also a form of magical thinking; it is an act of defilement similar to dunking crucifixes in urine. The Alt-White doesn't use it to represent socialist economics, deporting the Poles from Poland, or innovations in tank warfare. It is a gleeful declaration that "everything you hate and fear is now our flag."

As with all magical thinking, of course, some will come to take it literally, and foot-soldiers, especially green recruits, have no concept of strategic nuance.

A few Alt-Righters have an idealized picture of a Hitler that didn't exist - they ignore what is inconvenient.

Different people have difference reasons. Some people will cheer the Nazis because they know that that will drive other people nuts. The Holocaust is stamped as the worst atrocity of all time. Communist mass murderers such as Stalin, Mao are Pol Pot are either ignored or excused.

Hitler was a big government guy. Conservatives like to point out the Nazi is short for National Socialist.

You're right about magical thinking, too. I call it wishful thinking. Don't overestimate the intelligence of the American public.

Naziism has mutated and its appeal has spread. Read this article about Russian neo-Nazis:

http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Neo-Nazi-Russian-beauty-queen-stripped-of-title-409832

Blogger James Dixon January 06, 2017 4:35 PM  

> You're probably more an expert than I am though

Not really. I just drive through the area a couple of times a year, though we did take a driving tour through Mount Airy one time. But you can't miss the Martin Luther King Jr. Drive exit as you go through.

Anonymous Rip January 06, 2017 6:12 PM  

refusing to engage

That was my favorite part.

They're refusing to engage. Shut them down!

Blogger tz January 06, 2017 6:14 PM  

@110 +1 - we need a "like" since I really have no comment beyond that you are spot on.

Blogger VD January 06, 2017 7:44 PM  

The strategic thought behind Nazi LARPing is the expectation that people will slowly realize that the "actual Nazis" of today post cartoon frogs, and are less actually violent than the average African-American, for example, and then re-evaluate their moral kneejerk reactions.

That's incompetent. And unnecessary. It's FAR more effective to point out, correctly, that no one gives a damn about the Holocaust anymore except a) the Jews, and b) those who pretend to do so for rhetorical purposes. It's no more relevant to anything today than Masada or the siege of Jerusalem.

Blogger William Meisheid January 06, 2017 7:52 PM  

18.  Salt "That class of Americans are White, unlike their European counterparts who are merely Caucasian."

You may find it interesting that when I gave blood Thursday, the black nurse filling out my paper work asked me if I was Caucasian. The Red Cross deals with reality because blood is bound by medical science and not political expediency. It just shows the complete break there is with reality once you step across to anything that has a political connection.

Anonymous Grinder January 06, 2017 8:06 PM  

125.  Elizabeth
January 06, 2017 1:53 PM
Innostran wrote:
Great post! I think the neo-Nazi types that insist they are part of the alt-Right really can't (at least dialectically) justify their membership in a movement that supports nationalism for all peoples and politically right-wing principles while simultaneously declaring their affinity with a movement (national socialism/fascism) that did not believe in nationalism for most white peoples (especially Eastern Europeans and Baltic peoples) and sought to destroy and/or subjugate them while supporting left-wing socialist economic and social policies at home.


Excellent observations. The Nazis did not conduct a war against the Soviet Union with the goal of liberating the captive people within it. They planned to enslave and exterminate the Slavic people and colonize eastern Europe. As time went on, even the SS recruited troops from among their subject peoples, under the guise of fighting Bolshevism.


There is no conflict with national socialists and supporting nationalism for others. The caveat is that this support is conditional on the existence of the white race and a future for white children having been secured. If whites can reclaim their nations from their current (((occuppiers))) they will want to maintain their independence. Whites wanting to having their own country and running it for the benefit of their own people, maintaining a military only for national defence and not "democracy" building adventures might upset some people. Now say a nation of such people, let's call it ISIS, sure, is so upset at our hypothetical white country that they endlessly call for jihad, holy war, whatever against Whiteland, and they use their wealth and influence to stir up other countries to level economic sanctions or blockades and lastly send a steady stream of assassins, saboteurs, spies and covert agents to launch terrorist attacks to destroy Whiteland targets, murder their leaders, poison their people (either literally or figuratively with morale destroying subversive propaganda) - all this without letting up. If your people's very existence is threatened by such a toxic group of outsiders who refuse to cease their attacks then who here would still say that they guarantee the right of hypothetical ISIS to nationhood?

Blogger William Meisheid January 06, 2017 8:15 PM  

All things considered I guess I am screwed. My grandparents were English, Irish, Polish, and German. A mongrel I will ever be, with warring factions forever fighting to gain control of my soul...

Blogger VD January 06, 2017 8:18 PM  

You may find it interesting that when I gave blood Thursday, the black nurse filling out my paper work asked me if I was Caucasian.

I hope you explained to her that you don't see color and accused her of being racist.

There is no conflict with national socialists and supporting nationalism for others.

There most certainly is. Pan-German supremacy and imperialism is not compatible with nationalism for other white nations, or other non-white nations.

You cannot be a Nazi and a white nationalist. The two concepts are not conceptually compatible. The only people who insist this is possible are either a) retarded, b) lying, or c) ignorant.

Give it up already. It's worse than useless for anything beyond rhetorically defanging Jewish journalists crying Holocaust on Twitter.

Blogger tz January 06, 2017 8:24 PM  

"The great redpilling has begun"

Does this mean we have red-pill states and blue-pill states. Or counties or precincts. Would explain much.

Blogger Elizabeth January 06, 2017 8:38 PM  

VD wrote:The strategic thought behind Nazi LARPing is the expectation that people will slowly realize that the "actual Nazis" of today post cartoon frogs, and are less actually violent than the average African-American, for example, and then re-evaluate their moral kneejerk reactions.

That's incompetent. And unnecessary. It's FAR more effective to point out, correctly, that no one gives a damn about the Holocaust anymore except a) the Jews, and b) those who pretend to do so for rhetorical purposes. It's no more relevant to anything today than Masada or the siege of Jerusalem.


I agree with you there. As I wrote earlier, don't overestimate the intelligence of the American people. Also, people don't care. Jews are very ethnocentric, but the rest of the world is not judeo-centric, nor should they be.

Anonymous Grinder January 06, 2017 8:49 PM  

The jew lies are thick around national socialism. Constantly trying to give the impression that all national socialists are about is the worst mistakes of Adolf Hitler would be like saying it is stupid for an American Indian to support Constitutional Republicanism because CR was all about genocide of indigenous Americans from coast to coast with repeated episodes of racial cleansings of choice territories > solemn treaties > broken treaties > more racial cleansing repeat as desired and throw in deliberate biological warfare and engineered starvation as a weapon of war. And aside from Indian pacification/extermination there was also slavery - a cause so big that CR people ended up fighting a war over the practise.

Or how about those followers of a 'movement' or ideology whose defining period was a failure - and giving respect to the symbols of that failed movement? How is USA not a classic example of such a grand failure. It was truly great once - a nation carved out of a wilderness of hostile natives and defended from King George's globe spanning empire to where it is now: becoming an irreparably racially mongrelized, politically (((occupied))) by bought traitors, de-industrializing, debt-ridden and defrauded, wealth concentrated like never before in its history. While its elites get ever richer from their own machinations and rewards for selling off its wealth, current and future to countries who are making America their economic bitch, why would people still want to wave a US flag or stand for the Star Spangled Banner - when they are relics of a lost country that are still in use by the (((new owners))) of what remains of the rusting hulk of the Republic? Would the Founding Fathers happily have gone along with everything that has happened to the US up to the present day? I don't think so but these things happened (frequent VP readers know what without me listing them) because the FF and their posterity are not in charge of the US. It is now in the hands of an (((alien))) fifth column that has been embedded for well over a century.

Even when you recognize the truth of what I said, you Americans are not going to just quit identifying with your flag and anthem even though the America of the FFs exists just in memory and empty affirmations of a much trampled Constitution. I suggest you stop wasting time spouting off jew lies regarding national socialism and focus on regaining your nation. WN or WS people are not your enemy. If they were in power the white race would not be in steep demographic decline, if nothing else.

Anonymous Dan January 06, 2017 8:55 PM  

131. Bodo Staron
The guy was born here and he comes to visit now and then.
Country is Romania. I have just seen him on TV again. Listen to this story that he told: the jews from abroad demand money for their cemeteries(from europeans ofc), but forbid anyone to come to inspect the places to see how they have renovated it, calling anyone that does so racist. You cannot make this stuff up, this dude asked the politicians to help fix the current state of the cemeteries and the only guy that gave a hand was the only white nationalist that our country had(he is dead now). This nationalist even helped with money eventough he died broke, while the jews(all of them fairly rich) shat on their holocaust ancestors.

Anonymous Grinder January 06, 2017 9:06 PM  


There is no conflict with national socialists and supporting nationalism for others.

There most certainly is. Pan-German supremacy and imperialism is not compatible with nationalism for other white nations, or other non-white nations.

You cannot be a Nazi and a white nationalist. The two concepts are not conceptually compatible. The only people who insist this is possible are either a) retarded, b) lying, or c) ignorant.

Give it up already. It's worse than useless for anything beyond rhetorically defanging Jewish journalists crying Holocaust on Twitter.


I reject your characterization of Nazism or national socialism. You said you read the relevant documents but it seems you completely missed the writings of G.L. Rockwell. He completely rejected your ideas of national socialism as it related to NS post WWII. Are you asserting that he was lying? Was he not a Nazi because he did not advocate pan-Germanism? What was he then? How do you reconcile NS people of today who have no desire for pan-Germanism or extermination of any much less white race? Mass confusion? Denial? All lying? Some lying, some confused? The use is for causing Jews to froth at the mouth and a quick identifier for fellow anti-(((communists))). It is noticeably better at discouraging entryists than your approach to Alt-Right has been so far. (((They))) still keep coming to plant seeds to neuter your movement from this entry point or subvert it. Like a commenter here, not mentioning names but his handle rhymes with "heel bomb" who lights up to warn about the threat of a nuclear armed Iran in the hopes to build support for a US intervention to save the world from the scourge of a nuclear armed Iran - just another Israel Firster.

Blogger VD January 06, 2017 9:13 PM  

I reject your characterization of Nazism or national socialism.

As I said, you're a retard. It's not MY characterization of National Socialism. It is what history shows it to have been.

You said you read the relevant documents but it seems you completely missed the writings of G.L. Rockwell.

No one gives a shit about the National Socialism of G.L. Rockwell. You might as well write about his position on unicorn farts. Everyone cares about the National Socialism of the German National Socialist Workers Party. So, yes, if he did not advocate pan-Germanism, he was not an advocate of the ideology of the German National Socialist Worker's Party. This isn't that hard.

How do you reconcile NS people of today who have no desire for pan-Germanism or extermination of any much less white race? Mass confusion? Denial? All lying? Some lying, some confused?

They're retards and historical illiterates who stupidly decided to glom onto something they clearly are not.

The use is for causing Jews to froth at the mouth and a quick identifier for fellow anti-(((communists))).

That's nice. Neither of those things are going to a) save the European nations or b) save Western civilization. Not completely irrelevant, but pretty damn close.

It is noticeably better at discouraging entryists than your approach to Alt-Right has been so far.

Of course it is. No one with any intelligence wants anything to do with them. I certainly don't. It is, and will remain, irrelevant, so long as anyone else is willing to defend the white race. People will only turn to them in absolute extremis.

Anonymous Grinder January 06, 2017 9:17 PM  

I read here just about daily because this site is not exclusively focused on just one thing like WN sites. I have other interests and am interested in reading comments of brights from other points of view than what are found in converged sites. My seldom offered comments here are not intended to derail any thread. I am looking forward to Trump's inauguration and am hopeful for success in rolling back cultural Marxism.

Blogger VD January 06, 2017 9:17 PM  

The jew lies are thick around national socialism. Constantly trying to give the impression that all national socialists are about is the worst mistakes of Adolf Hitler would be like saying it is stupid for an American Indian to support Constitutional Republicanism because CR was all about genocide of indigenous Americans from coast to coast with repeated episodes of racial cleansings of choice territories > solemn treaties > broken treaties > more racial cleansing repeat as desired and throw in deliberate biological warfare and engineered starvation as a weapon of war.

You're incredibly stupid. No one is saying National Socialism is about invading Russia in winter or issuing ridiculous Fuhrerbefahlen or whatever they were called. We're saying that it was a specific historical political ideology, well-documented, and clearly delineated. Hitler didn't invent the concept of Lebensraum, it was a German concept dating back to 1871.

You're way too short for this ride.

Blogger kurt9 January 06, 2017 10:31 PM  

Considering the liberal boneheads that criticize it, even a hardcore Randian libertarian such as myself easily supports the alt-right. These liberals are utterly stupid, self-defeating idiots.

Anonymous Avalanche January 06, 2017 10:40 PM  

@120 "Amongst ourselves, we can crack in-jokes about Kek and even flash a Nazi salute, but outsiders would either not understand or be turned off."

No, this is what our Neo-Nazi's and actual Nazi's don't understand. Not EVEN "amongst ourselves" can we flash a Nazi salute. In a world of cell phone cameras and security filming, you cannot ever be sure you're not being filmed. DUTY requires doing in private the same thing you would do in public. It also requires NOT doing in (what you believe to be) private a thing that will cause damage to your allies and our future.

For all that our God Emperor is about to ascend the Cherry Blossom Throne? We still live BEHIND ENEMY LINES! We are surrounded by major forces, which still have much power (police, academe, the "just-us" system, the media, "entertainment," etc. etc.) and literally thousands of feral NAMs already fighting a race war against us, and primed to build it up, both sets of whom who are dedicated to our -- and our God Emperor's -- destruction.

We are ALSO surrounded by herds of sheep and cows who know only one reaction when "exposed" to a thing (Nazism, of any sort) they have been inculcated from childhood to respond to with fear, loathing, and a stampede away. Doesn't matter if you're right, you'll still get trampled in a stampede.

All (our legitimate emotional) desire to force these enemies to accept the truth about Nazism will only damage US! Even in private, even "just amongst us." The point of what we do now is WINNING, not resurrecting a noble force that is now lost in history.

Fight the current war, not any other/earlier war. And fight with the weapons that WORK in the current war, not the ones that make us feel good and lose ground for us!

Anonymous Avalanche January 06, 2017 11:07 PM  

@145 "you Americans are not going to just quit identifying with your flag and anthem even though the America of the FFs exists just in memory and empty affirmations"

When I first met my oh-so-Southern gentleman husband, he took me to see Stone Mountain, the memorial to Jeff Davis and the Confederates. While there, discussing our backgrounds and histories, he provide a concept that had never ever crossed my (Northern Yankee) mind. The fact that the South had lost the war did NOT mean he (/the Southerners) had given up their allegiance to the South and the Confederacy, nor had they taken on allegiance to the (conquering and despoiling) North. That concept, even, had never crossed my brainwashed mind!

Our loyalty to America-that-was, America-as-was-intended, does not die or go away because our nation has been (((taken over))) and filled with foreigners. (Thus: we are living behind enemy lines. In our own lands!) A laser-like focus on regaining as much of that as we can, rather than LARPing or trying to divide up what's left, will serve us better. No?

Blogger kurt9 January 06, 2017 11:47 PM  

The proper context for understanding the alt-right is that it is a rather aggressive chemotherapy intended to eradicate the cancer of the liberal-left. The previously applied treatments - conventional conservatism, libertarianism, and the tea party - proved insufficiently strong as medicine. Hence the need for the alt-right.

Blogger Elizabeth January 07, 2017 12:12 AM  

Avalanche wrote:@120 "Amongst ourselves, we can crack in-jokes about Kek and even flash a Nazi salute, but outsiders would either not understand or be turned off."

No, this is what our Neo-Nazi's and actual Nazi's don't understand. Not EVEN "amongst ourselves" can we flash a Nazi salute. In a world of cell phone cameras and security filming, you cannot ever be sure you're not being filmed. DUTY requires doing in private the same thing you would do in public. It also requires NOT doing in (what you believe to be) private a thing that will cause damage to your allies and our future.

Fight the current war, not any other/earlier war. And fight with the weapons that WORK in the current war, not the ones that make us feel good and lose ground for us!


I was thinking of a group of people who know each other.

You are right about the lack of privacy. Most people today have a cellphone with a camera. A joke Nazi salute could be photographed and end up on Facebook or wherever. As the Alt-Right grows and meet-ups are arranged, expect to be infiltrated by SJWs looking for Nazis.

Sheesh, it's like living in Nazi Germany - we must be careful what we say or do. As much fun it might be to drive the SJWs crazy, this is a long war and we're out to win. The Nazi imagery is just a turn-off to too many potential allies.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 07, 2017 12:19 AM  

I reject your characterization of Nazism or national socialism.

And this is why the Hugo Boss Brigade has problems with rest of the Alt-Right. The Alt-Right is about accepting the truth, accepting the world as it is and doing what we can to make that world work, rather than pretending the world is whatever we would like it to be so we can indulge our fantasies.

Vox's characterization of Nazism is correct. It is reality and it is truth. Rejecting that truth is no more viable than a you-go-girl feminist rejecting the truth that she can't win a fist-fight with a man.

I'll ask the same question I've asked before: it's easy to list the negative baggage that comes with anything associated with the Nazi brand. What advantages are the in using it that offset that baggage?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 07, 2017 12:54 AM  

@VD
"That's irrelevant. Why do you guys find it so difficult to understand that different objectives call for different tactics?"

Perhaps you're taking me a little too seriously here, for a post that was intended merely to point the rather, uh, overwrought tone of dc.sunsets' post...

Blogger Nathan Braun January 07, 2017 1:23 AM  

"but historically ignorant, they forget that National Socialism was, first and foremost, a pan-Germanic supremacist movement that violently looked down on every other white nation, including the Eastern and Southern Europeans."

The irony is staggering here, Vox

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor January 07, 2017 2:20 AM  

@122 Great response! Thanks. Think of the deification of Martin Luther King by some in the right. I'm not familiar with 4Chan culture. I guess that some people see Hitler as a champion of white people, ignoring the fact that Hitler and the Nazis were responsible for the deaths of millions of people, most of them white, throughout Europe, north Africa and the middle east.

I read that the first German troops entering the Soviet Union were greeted as liberators. The Nazis made both a tactical and moral mistake is treating the Soviet people as untermenschen. The SS did raise a division of Ukrainians living in Polish Galicia to fight the Soviets. I guess that they weren't untermenschen at that point.


Post-WWI Germany had legitimate grievances and was, at that time, the focal point of the same ongoing struggle between nationalists and global capitalists that has now subsumed the entire West. But while the grievances may have been legitimate, the post-Anschluss actions by Germany were largely misguided and counterproductive.

Predominantly accepted historical accounts do claim that abuses of Western Soviet peoples led to popular uprisings against the Nazis, but I would argue that such accounts should be viewed with a great degree of skepticism. Much of the news and film footage fed to the US and Britain from that period was Soviet propaganda, no more or less trustworthy than contemporary CNN, and we have somewhat recently learned that atrocities once blamed on Germany were actually done by Soviets - the Katyn massacre in Poland, for example. Therefore I don't believe it's at all unreasonable to speculate that other atrocities for which NSDAP Germany was historically blamed were actually carried out by NKVD operatives and paramilitary, with the aim of inflaming local populations into partisan action. In many case the Soviet Union made little effort to disguise its own ethnic cleansing. The Volga Germans were forcibly relocated far to the East, and Germans in the city of Königsberg were forcibly relocated West while Russians were moved in. The city today is now called Kaliningrad and is still predominantly Russian.

@142 There most certainly is. Pan-German supremacy and imperialism is not compatible with nationalism for other white nations, or other non-white nations.

Vox, while I agree with you on the relevant issue that embracing National Socialism is probably not a viable strategy for contemporary Westerners, I do disagree with you on this specific point. NSDAP Germany allied with many non-German nations including Italy, Finland, Croatia, Romania, and Hungary. I don't deny the possibility of ignorance on my part, but I know of nothing to indicate that implemented German policy treated these people as subhumans, Hitler's rhetoric notwithstanding. Quite the contrary, Germany expended a great many men and a good deal of materiel defending Italy when abandoning it to the Allies, while cutting off the few land routes around the Alps, may have been strategically sounder.

Arguably, Germans had a more positive outlook on Turks, Arabs, and possibly the black Africans than did the British. I can expound on this if you like but I doubt you'll dispute this assertion. Overall, I believe that NSDAP Germany's policy could most accurately be described as supporting their allies while condemning their perceived enemies, often with racial rhetoric. Historically there is nothing unique about that approach, although Nazi Germany may have been the first to use mass media to effectively spread racial propaganda.

All that said, we would be foolish if, in crafting our messages, we did not consider popular perceptions that have arisen due to decades of propaganda and the lack of inquisitiveness of most people. But popular perceptions can change for many reasons, and it can be difficult to detect and measure those changes. It is indeed possible that the contemporary view of NSDAP Germany is considerably more positive than is generally believed.

Blogger VD January 07, 2017 4:30 AM  

I don't deny the possibility of ignorance on my part, but I know of nothing to indicate that implemented German policy treated these people as subhumans, Hitler's rhetoric notwithstanding.

It is. You know the Germans invaded those totally non-white, non-Northern European countries Holland and Norway, right?

It is indeed possible that the contemporary view of NSDAP Germany is considerably more positive than is generally believed.

That's irrelevant. It's still astonishingly stupid in the current year and any year. It's a movement for retards and spergs. To say nothing of the idea of trying to get anyone on the Right to sign up for a variant of socialism.

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Anonymous Pigskinner January 07, 2017 7:56 AM  

Vox,you stated at the end of the article," that great waves of history are in motion".
God agrees,as the universe is in motion.
Writer said the Ancients found this is a great time to " birth a president" and an excellent time for an inauguration! God emperor Trump arrives in an astrological phenom. SJWs heads exploding in 3,2,1
http://theusualroutine.com/2017/01/04/rare-astrological-event-january-7th-2017-planets-moving-direct/

Blogger Unknown January 07, 2017 9:21 AM  

Hehe. The Alt-Right is proving to be exactly as expected: a porcupine in a rubber dinghy. Those holes the wide sargasso sea is coming through are like little hope springs for abandoned white boys, if you imagine real hard.

Blogger Ron January 07, 2017 6:02 PM  

the people

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor January 07, 2017 6:19 PM  

You know the Germans invaded those totally non-white, non-Northern European countries Holland and Norway, right?

As did the Allies. And atrocities were committed by both sides, particularly in Holland.

Blogger Billy Ray January 07, 2017 7:55 PM  

if you all would do some real analysis of yourself, you would see that you aren't alt or right, you are OLD LEFT with your anti immigration, segregation pro white agendas

Blogger herfsi January 07, 2017 11:26 PM  

them "you're a nazi!"
me: "i'm not even socialist."
technically though, i am a worker, part German, & i've been to parties. so, partially NSDAP!

Anonymous Discard January 08, 2017 1:47 AM  

164. Noah B: Britain fought to defend Norway in 1940. They also bombed German ships in Norwegian harbors. The U.S. did nothing in Norway at all. What atrocities were committed there by the Allies?

And what atrocities were committed by the Allies in Holland? Failing to liberate most of the country? Negotiating a truce with the Germans to air drop food to civilians?

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor January 08, 2017 4:09 AM  

@167 Prior to Germany's invasion of Norway, the Allies moved to stop iron ore exports to Germany and violate Norwegian neutrality with Operation Wilfred, which involved mining Norwegian waters. Britain hoped the German reaction would provide them with an excuse to invade and occupy Norway, which they dubbed Plan R 4.

After Germany fell, the Allies purged the de facto government of Norway, executing much of its leadership, in at least somewhat questionable legal circumstances.

In Holland, Rotterdam was bombed at different times by both Germany and the Allies. Both bombings - the German blitz and the drawn out Allied strategic bombing campaign - killed hundreds of Dutch people on the ground, about 900 in each case.

But Norway and Holland were not willing German allies, unlike non-Germanic Italy and Romania. Vox's argument is that National Socialism "violently looked down" on those nations. Although I'm not clear on what precisely Vox means by this, my rebuttal is that, in practice (and to the best of my knowledge) NSDAP Germany loyally stood by its willing, non-Germanic allies.

Anonymous Discard January 09, 2017 2:16 AM  

168. Noah B: I did not know that the British mined Norwegian waters when they were still neutral. Don't know if that constitutes an atrocity rather than a simple piece of strategic warfare.
Hanging Quislings without an ACLU approved trial is not an atrocity.

Deliberately leveling a big chunk of Rotterdam as vengeance for a Dutch Army soldier wounding a German officer, Kurt Student, is definitely an atrocity. Bombing Dutch factories doing war work for the Germans is not.

Blogger Tuatha January 09, 2017 3:42 PM  

"Seriously, some of the commenters here seem to have the reading comprehension of a retarded newt on meth."

Well, you really can't blame them, they believe in JEBUS after all.

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