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Wednesday, January 11, 2017

Metafake news and golden journalism

Apparently it's not that hard to provoke the mainstream media into eviscerating itself:
The saga over alleged Russian interference in the U.S. elections took another sinister turn Tuesday, as it was claimed that U.S. intelligence officials provided President-elect Donald Trump with a charge that the Russians had obtained dirt on him.

U.S. officials allegedly included a two-page synopsis of 'kompromat' – Russian for compromising material – as part of their security briefing of Trump on Friday.

The material was based on memos compiled by a British intelligence operative who was considered 'credible' by the U.S. intelligence community, CNN reported. Disclosure FBI sat on damaging allegations will enrage Democrats after Comey went public with Anthony Weiner material just before election

What is believed to be the 35-page document itself was published by Buzzfeed, which pointed out that it contained errors. Little of its contents can be independently verified, while there has been no official confirmation of the details of the briefing and Donald Trump has branded the claims as 'fake'.

The document claims Russian sources told the operative that they had extensive material on the now president-elect - including a secret film of him in the suite where President Obama stayed in Moscow, watching prostitutes committing degrading sex acts on the bed where the president slept.

Trump himself has already dismissed the claims, tweeting: 'FAKE NEWS - A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!'
See, now THIS is how you mock the media and take away its credibility and power, not NAZI-Larping. Let's just say any time you manage to get Rick Wilson, the CIA, and CNN to bite - and inspire a formal denial from the Kremlin - you have achieved MegaTroll status. One simply has to give the media what they desperately want in a multilayer package that sounds sufficiently believable to them.

MILO himself is looking on with appreciation and thinking, "damn, this guy is good! I mean, like ME good!"

It's really rather remarkable that neither the conservative nor the mainstream media have developed any ability to scent the presence of channers at work yet. This tends to support the notion that they mostly consist of hypersolipsistic women and socially challenged gamma males, neither of whom have any idea how humans actually work.

From Writeup for Cernovich:
On january 10, Buzzfeed posted a story under the byline of Ken Bensinger, Mark Schoofs and Miriam elder titled “these reports Allege Trump Has Deep Ties To Russia” and posted a link to a document alleging, among other things, that russia has been cultivating trump for 5+ years, that trump has been in constant contact with the kremlin for information on his opponents, and perhaps most inflammatory, that there are many recorded instances of blackmail of trump in sexual misconduct. A prominent claim is that trump rented the presidential suite of the Ritz Carlton Hotel in moscow, where he knew that the Obamas had slept in; he them hired a number of prostitutes to perform a 'golden shower' (pissplay) on the bed and in the room.

Noted #nevertrump voice Rick Wilson later commented on twitter, stating that the report “gave a new meaning to Wikileaks” and that the report was the reason everybody was fighting so hard against the election of Trump.

The remarkable thing? It's all fake. And not only fake; it's a prank perpetuated by 4chan, on Rick Wilson himself. A post on 4chan on october 26 stated “mfw managed to convince CTR and certain (((journalists))) on Twitter there'll be an October surprise on Trump this Friday” along with a picture of a smug face with a hash name.

on november 1, a person without a picture but is assumed to be the same person posted “So they took what I told Rick Wilson and added a Russian spy angle to it. They still believe it. Guys, they're truly fucking desperate - there's no remaining Trump scandal that's credible.”

on january 10, moments after the story broke and began to gain traction on social media, a person with the same smug grin face, and the same hash title for the picture, stated “I didn't think they'd take it so far.”

This story has taken on something of a life of it's own. Going through Rick Wilson's twitter, you can find many different stories from the time that he had shown the story to a wide number of anti-trump news sources, trying to find a news organization that would actually publish the story. During that time period, he referred to it often as 'the thing', and often playing coy with followers on the content with the story with anybody who was not also a #Nevertrumper. Unconfirmed sources has people as high up as John McCain giving the story to FBI Director James Comey to attempt to verify the story. Given that Rick Wilson runs in Establishment circles, it is not an impossible scenario that long-serving senators are falling for what amounts to a 4chan troll trump supporter creating an ironic October Surprise out of wholecloth to punk a GOPe pundit who derogatorily referred to them as single men who masturbate to anime.
I remember Rick Wilson's "October Surprise" hints and assuming that they would amount to nothing. But I was wrong. /pol/ rickrolled him. This truly exceeds expectations.

UPDATE: The Kremlin has officially denied the story.

UPDATE: Even a cursory read should have been sufficient to determine the report was fake. From Instapundit: British intelligence describes events surrounding the "World Cup Soccer tournament." This is a dead giveaway. First, the Brits don't say "soccer". Second, as far as the Brits are concerned, there is only one World Cup. "World Cup Soccer tournament" sounds about as credible as "The National Tackle Football Premier Cup".

UPDATE: Jake Tapper was involved in CNN pushing the story. He must be really desperate to move the focus away from Pizzagate. I wonder why?

UPDATE: Downing Street sought to distance itself from a report - apparently compiled by a former MI6 operative - claiming the Russians have a file of incriminating material on the president-elect.

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127 Comments:

Blogger Akulkis January 11, 2017 5:37 AM  

/b/tards and /pol/tards are so awesome.

Blogger Krul January 11, 2017 5:38 AM  

Yellow journalism.

Blogger Orville January 11, 2017 5:41 AM  

Local talk radio were pissing themselves in delight on the drive home yesterday. They were totally buying it saying that no one should diss the intel community as they will destroy you. I hope Trump goes on offense bigly during his 10 am conference.

Blogger Orville January 11, 2017 5:50 AM  

He should appoint Thiel as his Fake News Czar to go after and shut down buzzfeed and sue Rick Wilson into oblivion. CNN should be permanently barred press access to the White House.

Anonymous Mathias January 11, 2017 5:53 AM  

Lol, so this is the big scandal? That the Russians are going to blackmail Trump with a video of him generously paying a couple of consenting adults to pee on a bed? It's like that scene in Batman: The Dark Knight where one of Bruce Wayne's subordinates finds out he is the Batman and attempts to blackmail him over it. Even if he could convince everyone that his claims where true, why would anyone care? I've seen nastier fetishes in evangelical fundamentalist baptist book clubs.

Blogger Wanderer January 11, 2017 5:56 AM  

So according to leftists they believe that transvestism and pedophilia are normal, but a piss fetish is somehow scandalous.

Blogger Shimshon January 11, 2017 5:59 AM  

Sorry Godfrey Elfwick, you have been kicked off your pedestal. Still a great troll, and you are to be commended. I hereby give you a Lifetime Troll Achievement Award. But this is now the Greatest Troll of All Time.

Blogger Lazarus January 11, 2017 6:02 AM  

I'm not cleanin' that up....

Blogger Shimshon January 11, 2017 6:03 AM  

Prostitutes was bad enough, but had they stopped there, it has a mild ring of credibility. But golden showers? On the bed Obama slept in? As revenge?! They bought it because they're gamma, and gammas are passive-aggressive, so it makes sense to them. Trump is not gamma or passive-aggressive. If he wants revenge, he gets it, and often quite out in the open.


They would've been better off portraying him as a Satanic pedophile.

Anonymous Mathias January 11, 2017 6:08 AM  

@9

I highly doubt that the people who are running this want the American public to believe that ANY government official is a satanic pedophile. Trust me, once you put that idea into the public's head, they will never get it out.

Blogger JACIII January 11, 2017 6:11 AM  

Still not tired of winning.

Blogger VD January 11, 2017 6:12 AM  

As revenge?! They bought it because they're gamma, and gammas are passive-aggressive, so it makes sense to them.

Bingo.

Anonymous Icicle January 11, 2017 6:13 AM  

This certainly is an unusual way for Trump to end up curbstomping the surveillance state. I had a hunch they were after him.

Reminds me of Anthony Weiner saving the day.

Anonymous Mathias January 11, 2017 6:26 AM  

@13

Those two things are far too co-incidental, clearly Heaven itself sides with Trump, and conspires to raise him up, and topple his adversaries.

Blogger pdwalker January 11, 2017 6:29 AM  

That really is a great surprise.

This year just keeps getting better... It's like it's raining sunshine on the mainstream media.

Anonymous Steve January 11, 2017 6:32 AM  

IRL Humpty Dumpty cosplayer and two-Moms-haver Evan McMuffin knows a thing or two about piss, and he says IT'S ALL TRUE YOU GUISE

Evan McMullin ‏@Evan_McMullin
It is you, sir, who must explain your bizarre affection for a foreign adversary that is actively undermining our democracy. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/818990655418617856


Translation: WHAT ON EARTH POSSESSES YOU TO NOT GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO PICK A FIGHT WITH A NUCLEAR SUPERPOWER THAT ISN'T EVEN THREATENING US? GOOD DAY, SIR! GOOD DAY! (plz reply)

Mr. McMuffin still hasn't denied masturbating on a squirrel in a public park.

Anonymous Simon January 11, 2017 6:34 AM  

This link pretty much has proven to me that 4chan is the source of this info, especially the post at the bottom of the page

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/rick%20wilson/start/2016-09-01/order/asc/page/17/

Anonymous URL IRL January 11, 2017 6:35 AM  

@6 yep

Blogger Stilicho January 11, 2017 6:35 AM  

Gives a new meaning to "rickrolled"

Never forget: people find it easy to believe what they WANT to believe.

Blogger James Dixon January 11, 2017 6:36 AM  

> Trump is not gamma or passive-aggressive. If he wants revenge, he gets it, and often quite out in the open.

Which he's doing, by destroying Obama's "legacy". Did anyone think this wasn't personal?

Given this as an example, I'm beginning to wonder about Rathergate and whether the media wasn't deliberately set up for it.

Blogger Wolfman at Large January 11, 2017 6:42 AM  

Stop the Trump train! There's just too much winning!

How the hell is this real?

Blogger Phillip George January 11, 2017 6:42 AM  

I'll meet your fake and raise you three fakes.
Democrates call for 911 style Commission to investigate Russian Hacks
We really need a Warren Commission to bury all vestiges of truth forever.
These prostitutes were passing bio warfare mind control agents that mean Trump is susceptible to neurolinguistic programming in trigger situations. For example if its daylight outside he's susceptible to job loss data. If its nighttime he's susceptible to terrorist infiltration data. They have him on the run.
They have him wasting billions of Rubles on National defence when every progressive nation knows that transgender toilets brings prosperity.

Anonymous Miso Hawny January 11, 2017 6:48 AM  

Only thing missing is the British agent yelling out "Bababooey". Maybe then they would have figured it out.

Anonymous Icicle January 11, 2017 6:48 AM  

This year just keeps getting better... It's like it's raining sunshine on the mainstream media.

And shit, we are only ELEVEN D-A-Y-S in.

We also had the Meryl Streep speech producing that wonderful Mel Gibson and Vince Vaughn photo-op.

FREE MEL GIBSON! FREE HIM FROM THE JEWISH BLACKLIST!

Donald Trump: Mel Gibson was just wonderful in Braveheart! One of the great movies of the 90s. Made me be proud to be Scottish. The pedophile revelations about Hollywood are troubling. Mel Gibson will be my liaison to Hollywood! We have work to do!

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume January 11, 2017 6:49 AM  

@15 -pdwalker,

Hold on, let me fix that for you:

"This year just keeps getting better...it's like the mainstream media is receiving a Golden Shower."

I would add that the MSM just seems to sit there with mouth wide open, in rapturous anticipation of the Big Story, they just know (THEY KNOW, DAMMIT! The truth IS OUT THERE,) is coming their way.

I've never seen anything like this in my life and, no, I'm not even close to being tired of the winning.

Blogger SemiSpook37 January 11, 2017 6:50 AM  

Have a friend who posted the original allegation of this as compiled by HuffPo. It's been agonizing to me as to whether or not to point out he's been hilariously trolled by 4chan. Then again, the guy is a true believer, and deserves to look like a complete ass. I'm torn.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein January 11, 2017 6:55 AM  

Will R Kelly play at the inauguration?

*Asks innocently*

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 11, 2017 6:58 AM  

Cerno is getting more respectable. He was way more polite about this than I was.

So just reading this tweet discredits the entire story.

This memo was generated by #nevertrump oppo research. Then when Egg McMuffin failed to set the house on fire, it got lateraled to Team I'm With Her. Who thought it was way too to stupid to run with at the time but then in a snit, at having lost the unlosable fed it in turn to Obamabots at CIA and Justice. Who would be required to brief the president elect on it. What they weren't required to do was leak it to the press but they somehow managed to do that anyway.

It started life as utter bullshit, remained utter bullshit and is now the Golden Bullshit.

But unlike CNN, the Dark Herald will let you my reader judge for yourself. Here is a link to a PDF of the document in question, which was hosted by Buzzfeed.


The link to the PDF still works as of this posting BTW.

Blogger Phillip George January 11, 2017 7:01 AM  

Laura Silsby was down in Haiti stealing children for
"The New Life Children's refuge".

ANYTHING. Absolutely anything to keep shit like that out of the news will be run with.
They were doing it to save the Children.

What happened to the real Wikileaks. The jail?

Blogger wreckage January 11, 2017 7:02 AM  

I was pretty confident it was fake when it included "kompromat" but also reckoned the intel professional was saying things like "perverted sex perversions of grossness". I've read for example, Human Terrain reports on Pashtun boy-fucking and they didn't use those kinds of terms.

Oh, and "defiling the bed Obama slept on" is just fucking hilarious. No actual successful male bothers with that shit. As has been said, he gets his revenge AS ACTUAL REVENGE.

Anonymous Philipp January 11, 2017 7:04 AM  

So this proves that a large part of the American mainstream media, political establishment and intelligence services have gone insane in their desperation to deny Trump the presidency. They believe anything what furthers (or what they think will further) their cause.

They are not yet as batshit crazy as academics, college students and Hollywood stars but they will get there.

Unbelievable.

It is only 11th January 2017 and it looks already like 2017 will overtake in 2016 in the greastest year ever rankings.

God knows what the rest of the year will bring.

Anonymous Donald Trump January 11, 2017 7:08 AM  

Happy election! We've updated the menu with pelmeni and olivier salad. The best borscht is made in Trump Tower Grill. I love Russians!

Blogger Robert What? January 11, 2017 7:09 AM  

Am I the only one who thinks this is truly odd as the "big news" of Trump being supposedly compromised by the Russians? I mean, they don't claim he was engaging in military or corporate espionage for the Russians. They don't claim he hired hackers to hack the election. They have him watching prostitutes from a hotel bed. Well at least they weren't young boys. We at least know that Trump, unlike the current White House occupant fancies grown women. What a breath of fresh air among the political class.

Anonymous Steve January 11, 2017 7:10 AM  

Here's how it went down apparently:

ANONYMOUS: Lol. Sending troll email to Rick Wilson.

RICK WILSON: Dammit, stop sending me emails about my son--wait, this is about Drumpf! Wait till Evan hears of this!

EVAN MCMUFFIN: OMG thath's hot! I'll thend this to John McCain! Heeere, thwuirrel-thquirrel!

JOHN MCCAIN: GRRR! WOOF! RRRROOOOWL!

CIA: Meh. Might as well add it to the rest of the shit in the dossier. Now... which news outlet is fucktarded enough to leak this to?

BUZZFEED: BREAKING NEWS U GUISE!

Truly, this is a bonfire of the inanities.

Anonymous Icicle January 11, 2017 7:15 AM  

McCain, what a fossil. I hear he still polishes his commemorative Civil War pistol.

Anonymous Eric the Red January 11, 2017 7:18 AM  

The yellow press is floated by yellow-stream journalism.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume January 11, 2017 7:19 AM  

@34

Now that's funny!

Anonymous Philipp January 11, 2017 7:26 AM  

"World Cup Soccer tournament"

What a give away indeed. Only an American would have written that. No way a Brit would have.

Anonymous Eric the Red January 11, 2017 7:30 AM  

The left has doubled-down. Instead of trying to be moderately clever with fake news, their propaganda arm is now simply trying to flood news outlets with as many lies as possible. Their strategy is to overwhelm quality with quantity, such that real news sites will be unable to effectively keep up with counter-responses.

Anonymous Eric the Red January 11, 2017 7:36 AM  

@35:
I hear he also mumbles communist slogans in Vietnamese in his sleep.

Anonymous A Brit (NOT a 4chan troll) January 11, 2017 7:39 AM  

We Britishers love the World Cup Soccer Tournaments and huzzah lustily when our storied franchise (the Englandshire Eagles) scores a touchdown.

Goooooo Eagles! Pip pip! Cheerio!

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl January 11, 2017 7:55 AM  

wreckage wrote:Oh, and "defiling the bed Obama slept on" is just fucking hilarious. No actual successful male bothers with that shit. As has been said, he gets his revenge AS ACTUAL REVENGE.

Shimshon wrote:But golden showers? On the bed Obama slept in? As revenge?! They bought it because they're gamma, and gammas are passive-aggressive, so it makes sense to them. Trump is not gamma or passive-aggressive. If he wants revenge, he gets it, and often quite out in the open.



Someone should tell these guys that in the world of men, this is often called a "prank," not revenge. Except maybe the urination, but that's more of a grey area (depends on the friend).

To which you one-up with another prank, like cinnamon in the toothpaste or something or Playgirls under the pillows or somesuch.

Again, very astute - gammas don't know any of this stuff and are petty loons.

Anonymous PinochetsChopperPilot January 11, 2017 7:56 AM  

This is also a reflection of how technology and socially illiterate Boomers and late Gen-Xrs are. As a Gen-Xr myself, I've marveled at the trolling abilities of the Gen-Y and Gen-ZOmbies. Their ability to marry outside the box thinking (for our generation )and technology is without peer.

Btw, this "Dickrolling" ? Never gonna let you down...

Blogger Nate January 11, 2017 7:59 AM  

2017 is off to a fantastic start.

Blogger Cail Corishev January 11, 2017 8:01 AM  

Trump is not gamma or passive-aggressive.

Yes. All along, his enemies have been projecting their own attitudes and perversions onto him, which is why none of their claims about him have rung true.

Conservatives said he would drop out when the election got tough and scandals hit -- because caving in when pressured is what they do. But Trump doesn't give up; if anything he bulls ahead even though it sometimes ends in bankruptcy. So that never rang true.

Leftists assume everyone's as perverse as themselves, so they accuse him of whatever comes along, from raping a teenager to watching golden showers. Those things don't ring true of Trump either, but they show that leftists put such perversions on the same level as adultery in their own minds.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl January 11, 2017 8:05 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:Conservatives said he would drop out when the election got tough and scandals hit -- because caving in when pressured is what they do. But Trump doesn't give up; if anything he bulls ahead even though it sometimes ends in bankruptcy. So that never rang true.

This makes me think of Andrew Breitbart's response to "liberals" - "So?"

Whatever one thinks of the man himself, I always that was a good rejoinder and never really employed by conservatives, libertarians, et al.

"But we'll lose an acre of trees? What about the one student with a 'peanut allergy'?"

"So?"

Blogger Basil Makedon January 11, 2017 8:06 AM  

This one is just unreal.

I agree with the above that Godfrey "Wrongskin" Elfwick needs to make a strong move to reclaim the top spot now.

Blogger N Matheson January 11, 2017 8:07 AM  

"World cup soccer tournament" is like a Brit taking the piss out of Americans. Reminds me off the Mr. Hilter sketch from Monty Python. Off now I am going to eat chip and fish with a nice class of dandelion and burdock style soda drink.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 11, 2017 8:11 AM  

I still think the battle before us is between the Top Line Deep State (permanent government & fat pigs one step removed) & the Really Deep State (the government-within-the-government we call the CIA).

If this is part of the CIA's frontal assault, it's evidence of inbred idiocy at the top.

Actually, that's scary as hell.

Blogger Lobo Util January 11, 2017 8:11 AM  

I am grateful for CNN and the CIA. They have done the USA a great service.  Even the 3 stooges do not produce comedy this amazing!!   

Anonymous PinochetsChopperPilot January 11, 2017 8:12 AM  

The greatest trolling job in the US since...well...Tom Scholz wrote and recorded an entire album in his basement using a buddy to sing (Delp)...and convinced Epic records and later the entire culture that Boston was actually a band (in 1975/6) when their album debuted.

Anonymous starr January 11, 2017 8:14 AM  

Let's just say any time you manage to get Rick Wilson, the CIA, and CNN to bite - and inspire a formal denial from the Kremlin - you have achieved MegaTroll status
I don't think calling it a MegaTroll does it justice, but then I can't think of an adjective that would

Blogger CarpeOro January 11, 2017 8:23 AM  

First rule of electronic intelligence - don't get it from the humint guys (CIA) that have been proven wrong most of the last .... well basically my life time - regarding humint. It is that freaking simple. You go to the electronic intelligence service if you want a chance of being correct.

Blogger JohnR219 January 11, 2017 8:25 AM  

If this is the US intelligence agencies doing this, doesn't this constitute and act of war/treason on the US...Aren't they opening themselves up for federal charges of treason/sedition?

Anonymous Rocklea January 11, 2017 8:29 AM  

Such a ridiculous story makes me wonder if they are trying to analyze the alt media's responsiveness, who the effective players are and will targeted censorship be an effective means of combating the threat. Am I crediting them with too much intelligence?

Blogger Lobo Util January 11, 2017 8:33 AM  

Recipe for a great troll:

1. Write a story that the libs are desperate for.
2. Send "source materials" to a couple of gammas desperate to be important who have ties to media and government.
3. Write a multi-layer scoop quoting those gammas and send it to 50 in the media so that the media will fact check with the gammas.
4. Wait patiently for a while.
The government has to investigate it and you can bet someone will leak that they are looking at an explosive story.
The media will desperately call the gammas and each other to try to get a scoop.
If one outlet publishes it, everyone else will have to comment on it being published.

What a wonderful lesson we have been taught!!

I learned something important from this amazing troll.

Blogger Robert Divinity January 11, 2017 8:47 AM  

This is hilarious and helpful. Trump can use this troll promotion as proof positive the CIA needs to be purged and restructured.

Blogger Cail Corishev January 11, 2017 8:50 AM  

I'm slow this morning: it just hit me that this is what the NeverTrumpers were so excited about that week before the election. They were sure some big scandal was going to drop and take Trump out. When that woman who had claimed rape dropped her case without even showing up, after being shown to be a shill, I think most of us guessed that was it, but it wasn't. It was this.

Awesome.

Blogger Old Ez January 11, 2017 8:55 AM  

"See, now THIS is how you mock the media and take away its credibility and power, not NAZI-Larping."

If you ask the TRS guys, or Richard Spencer or Andrew Anglin of the Daily Stormer, all of them would tell you that 4chan and 8chan (i.e., /pol/) are pretty much the most hard-core of the Nazis LARPers in the Alt Right and that they frequently go after the rest of us for not being hard core enough. This is a great example of how the conceptual divisions imposed on the alt right absolutely fail to obtain in reality. Many "channers" - particularly /pol/ - are "NAZI larpers" and vice versa. They're good boys though. Dindu nuffin. \o

Anonymous Cadwallander J January 11, 2017 8:55 AM  

Drudge's headlines are priceless, and yet not 15 minutes ago I was listening to NPR reporting on this in super-serious tones. It was sanwiched between another lame story about business conflicts and some subcontractors not getting paid for the new Trump hotel.

It's non-stop anti-Trump on government radio. Pathetic losers.

Anonymous krymneth January 11, 2017 8:58 AM  

I was just coming back here to comment on how this story is a huge tactical error for BuzzFeed, because of the Kremlin disclaims it, even if it were somehow true, it would put huge egg on the press's face. I was going to point out how risky that was to them.

But it seems they've already disclaimed it.

So, let me still point it out: huge tactical blunder. But they don't think about that, do they? Just the simplest, first-orderest thinking about how they want to hurt someone and no thought about what happens next.

No wonder Trump is tearing them to shreds. It doesn't take 18D underwater megachess... it just takes being able to look one move ahead. Which appears to be two more moves then they can manage.

Blogger VD January 11, 2017 9:00 AM  

This is a great example of how the conceptual divisions imposed on the alt right absolutely fail to obtain in reality.

I don't see how. The guys who did this one are more likely to be connected to GamerGate and Cernovich than to anyone in the Alt-White.

But regardless, my point is that this sort of op is vastly more effective at tearing down the media than dancing for them.

Anonymous FP January 11, 2017 9:05 AM  

I love the current year. Just ten days in and this happens. You can't stump the Trump. Rick Wilson the piss cuck no less!

From /pol apparently:
http://i.imgur.com/hwaTsnq.png

But for the so called intel establishment to buy into this, even the faction that loves Obama/Clinton/Bush? Truly they are desperate.

Anonymous BiigGayKoranBurner January 11, 2017 9:07 AM  

Not only did TRUMP not get Russians under his bed but on Sunday the FBI dumped proof Crooked Eye shared classified materials with Sidney Bloomingthrall and others https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/01/10/the-mysterious-fbi-sunday-document-dump-5-and-the-missing-clinton-seagate-hard-drive/

secret film of him in the suite where President Obama stayed in Moscow, watching prostitutes committing degrading sex acts on the bed where the president slept.

Why would anyone watch prostituted? But then again he probably gets better than $5 home depot wetbacks.

So according to leftists they believe that transvestism and pedophilia are normal, but a piss fetish is somehow scandalous.

Only adult piss fetishes, R Kelly is still good in their book.

OT: SeNigger Booker chimps out over Sessions as AG
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/unprecedented-move-sen-cory-booker-testify-jeff-sessions/story?id=44679221&yptr=yahoo

Anonymous Donald Trump January 11, 2017 9:15 AM  

It's non-stop anti-Trump on government radio. Pathetic losers.

It's sad all that money is going to NPR and PBS! Let's give it to the wounded veterans of the globalists' wars who are suffering and need it!

Blogger Cail Corishev January 11, 2017 9:17 AM  

Many "channers" - particularly /pol/ - are "NAZI larpers" and vice versa.

Context. You can larp anonymously on /pol/ all you want, and you're not helping the Fake News discredit the Alt-Right. What are they gonna do, write headlines like "There are Nazis on the Internet!" Of course there are; there's everything on the Internet. That's not news. The channers understand context.

Anonymous Bob Just January 11, 2017 9:19 AM  

@VD

Just to expand your argument: gammas are passive-aggressive AND
staunch believers in retrocausality


How else would peeing in a bed that someone has already slept in and wasn't going to sleep in again have any effect?

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer January 11, 2017 9:22 AM  

Trump is not gamma or passive-aggressive. If he wants revenge, he gets it, and often quite out in the open.

Exactly. Its not revenge if the person you want revenge against doesn't know you have retaliated successfully. And the act of revenge has to actually cause harm or pain.

And getting elected President and totally owning the ascendant Republican party is probably the most revenge ever gotten against a former Democrat president ever.

Blogger JohnofAustria January 11, 2017 9:22 AM  

Can confirm the chans are where the majority of LARPing started and exists. We all began it from there in some way, just most of us know to keep it under wraps for optics' sake.

Anonymous the management January 11, 2017 9:23 AM  

According to the link to The Daily Wire, Jake Tapper (CNN) and Ben Smith (Buzzfeed) are the main promoters of the fake news story. Both are, according to wiki bios ... drumroll ... jewish.

Why are lying and scatological projection such a part of this culture?

Blogger pyrrhus January 11, 2017 9:28 AM  

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-10/4chan-claims-have-fabricated-anti-trump-report-hoax

Anonymous CC January 11, 2017 9:35 AM  

Shimshon wrote:Sorry Godfrey Elfwick, you have been kicked off your pedestal. Still a great troll, and you are to be commended. I hereby give you a Lifetime Troll Achievement Award. But this is now the Greatest Troll of All Time.

Didn't realise trolling would turn out to be a pissing contest!

Anonymous Desert Rat January 11, 2017 9:35 AM  

I have been chuckling all morning over this. I sent an email to my senator, Mr. McCain, suggesting it is time to retire and take a rest. I haven't the imagination to envisage what might come next but I can hardly wait.

BEST. ELECTION. EVER.

Anonymous Mark Goldberg Horowitz Cohen January 11, 2017 9:36 AM  

According to the link to The Daily Wire, Jake Tapper (CNN) and Ben Smith (Buzzfeed) are the main promoters of the fake news story. Both are, according to wiki bios ... drumroll ... jewish.

There are a lot of immensely talented people in the media. Like Jon Stewart and his replacement Trevor Noah. But for some reason I seem to only like half of Trevor's jokes.

Anonymous Bob Just January 11, 2017 9:38 AM  

@VD and others:

I'm curious as to the potential of MegaTrolling or MAGAtrolling backfiring with increasing gammafication -

- on some PJW and InfoWars videos ~ 40% or more of those interviewed were believing this stuff

- 10-15 years ago this MegaTroll (before the rise of Alt-media) might have resulted in a HiLiary win

if Buzzfeed hadn't released the documents - would we have known what they (MSM- mainstream mccain) were basing all the bs on?

When is the optimum time to end/reveal a troll? Let it ride or "go out on top"?

Anonymous Silly but True January 11, 2017 9:41 AM  

Buzzfeed is helpful to the cause. It noted the new rules of engagement for 2017: "We published the complete document because we wanted Americans to make up their own minds."

There is no such thing as jouralistic integrity (presuming there ever was at some time).

Buzzfeed's rewritten the RoE. Don't whine or quibble. Embrace them. Make them pay for doing so. There is going to so much more winning to come at this allegation game.

Anonymous Galactic Starfleets of Deplorable Spartacus January 11, 2017 9:44 AM  

Cadwallander J wrote:not 15 minutes ago I was listening to NPR reporting on this in super-serious tones. It was sanwiched between another lame story about business conflicts and some subcontractors not getting paid for the new Trump hotel.

It's non-stop anti-Trump on government radio. Pathetic losers.


Very interesting. Ten days out from an executive order shitstorm. Going out with a suicidal bang or do they think they will be able to rip a new hole in the spacetime continuum?

Blogger Salt January 11, 2017 9:47 AM  

Waiting for the double down. Should be epic.

Anonymous Icicle January 11, 2017 9:51 AM  

What comes after golden shower? Uhhhhhh...

Blogger Twisted Root January 11, 2017 9:54 AM  

Philipp wrote:"World Cup Soccer tournament"

What a give away indeed. Only an American would have written that. No way a Brit would have.


@38 Can confirm.

Blogger glad2meetyou January 11, 2017 9:54 AM  

Ha! Goteem!

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar January 11, 2017 10:36 AM  

I need to see my doctor about this persistent erection.
bbl.

Blogger cheddarman January 11, 2017 10:36 AM  

In their failing attack, These people just handed Trump an M-1 tank with a full combat load of ammo and fuel. It will be hilarious to watch Trump us it on them.

Blogger Shimshon January 11, 2017 10:51 AM  

As has been observed, we are only 11 days into 2017. At the rate things are going, I fully expect Skittles-shitting unicorns to be discovered before the year is out.

Blogger SSYSSY January 11, 2017 10:55 AM  

Twitter is blocking either this site address or the link to the page. I am not so savvy on this. So pardon the assumption. But I have tried to post this 5 times and there is a new pop up saying I am sending Spam on the site.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 January 11, 2017 11:03 AM  

SSYSSY wrote:Twitter is blocking either this site address or the link to the page. I am not so savvy on this. So pardon the assumption. But I have tried to post this 5 times and there is a new pop up saying I am sending Spam on the site.

Twitter has registered this site as spam for a while now. VD looked into it, found Twitter to be extremely unhelpful, and decided it wasn't worth the effort to fix it, especially with the release of Gab.

Anonymous Col. Clusins January 11, 2017 11:04 AM  

@23 mega-dildos!

Media trolling culture was arguably initiated by Stern in the eighties. A rabid zionist btw.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 11, 2017 11:05 AM  

This is a great example of how the conceptual divisions imposed on the alt right absolutely fail to obtain in reality. Many "channers" - particularly /pol/ - are "NAZI larpers" and vice versa.

The key difference is this MAGAtroll didn't involve anyone putting on armbands, throwing out salutes, etc. Maybe they are Nazi-LARPers, but they weren't Nazi-LARPing when they did this.








Blogger Bill January 11, 2017 11:07 AM  

If as there was any doubt, pizzagate is real.
They "took the bait" on this one because it serves both purposes; slime Trump just by association (remember facts don't matter in a propaganda war), and get this kind of gross stuff in the news to dilute what they're worried about being revealed. Only the cannon fodder actually believed this stuff - DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE OUR ENEMIES. They can play 4D chess too, when their backs are against the wall and someone is asking if they want a cigarette.

Blogger Dave January 11, 2017 11:14 AM  

God-Emperor upcoming presser:

http://planetfreewill.com/2017/01/11/13262/

Blogger Student in Blue January 11, 2017 11:17 AM  

The key difference is this MAGAtroll didn't involve anyone putting on armbands, throwing out salutes, etc. Maybe they are Nazi-LARPers, but they weren't Nazi-LARPing when they did this.

Exactly. You score a major point when you make a group that relies on credibility, lose credibility. Not when you give them credibility by playing to their narratives.

Blogger Lazarus January 11, 2017 11:18 AM  

NYT is criticising CNN for spreading fake news. Oh, my! They are each others throats. Whatever shall we do?

Blogger Giraffe January 11, 2017 11:18 AM  

This was still reported on radio news this morning.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros January 11, 2017 11:19 AM  

It's on this subject. Pence is discussing it right now, calling it fake news. The guy who introduced him read a short statement in which they gave alibis for some of the people accused.

Blogger Dave January 11, 2017 11:23 AM  

Trump attacking Big Pharma

Blogger Gordon January 11, 2017 11:26 AM  

I guess they're no longer the "mainstream" media. Now we have to call them the "yellow stream" media.

Blogger Gordon January 11, 2017 11:27 AM  

Okay, "golden stream" media.

Anonymous MIG January 11, 2017 11:35 AM  

I thought that a golden shower is something an executive receives when he retires.

Anonymous WTFyou January 11, 2017 11:35 AM  

See, now THIS is how you mock the media and take away its credibility and power, not NAZI-Larping

4chan, especially /pol/ where this originated, is literally Nazi LARPers. So being a Nazi LARPer is not the issue, it's using that militarized autism in constructive (destructive?) ways FOR the cause instead of counterproductive acts. That being said, Richard Spencer and all other sell out media whores are not NAZI LARPers, just idiots weakly attempting to signal edge.

Blogger Gordon January 11, 2017 11:36 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:I still think the battle before us is between the Top Line Deep State (permanent government & fat pigs one step removed) & the Really Deep State (the government-within-the-government we call the CIA).


This might explain why they shut down the physics project that was running at the bottom of the Soudan mine in Minnesota. They needed the mine for the Profoundly Deep State.

Anonymous GunShowTrash January 11, 2017 11:40 AM  

...and something I've been saying for years: The Chans are the best test-market on the planet. Use your trolls to test quips, sound-bites, and memes; learn from the counter-attack; prepare your counter-counter-attach; then go to battle IRL.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 11, 2017 11:44 AM  

Old Ez wrote:... 4chan and 8chan (i.e., /pol/) are pretty much the most hard-core of the Nazis LARPers in the Alt Right ...

Notice that they did this glorious deed in spite of Nazi LARPing, not because of Nazi LARPing. If anonymous Nazi LARPing keeps their spirits up and annoys the lefties, that's cool - as long as it doesn't get in the way of doing cool stuff like this!

Anonymous Jack Amok January 11, 2017 11:57 AM  

I'm curious as to the potential of MegaTrolling or MAGAtrolling backfiring with increasing gammafication -

- on some PJW and InfoWars videos ~ 40% or more of those interviewed were believing this stuff


So? There's two necessary elements for it to be damaging - one, people have to believe it, and two, they have to care.

The only people who care were already against Trump. The White, Working class voters who gave Trump the win want jobs and functional communities for their families. If Trump has to piss on a couple of Russian hookers to get that for them, fine. Whatever it takes.

Anonymous Mark Auld January 11, 2017 12:26 PM  

While reading this,I've got the confirmation hearing on and Murphy D-Conn. Just used this story to try and smear Tillerson...they are solo dumb!

Anonymous tublecane January 11, 2017 12:53 PM  

@5-As I recall, that scene wasn't "why would anyone care?" It was "Batman spends his nights punching criminals in the face. What's he going to do with your Mr. Nerdy Accountant?"

As for who would care, pee is gross and prostitutes still bring down politicians, but that's not the whole thing. It wouldn't so much be that Trump was brought down by a fetish. Being a Russian stooge is what the FNN (fake news network) and others were running with last night. The pee-pee was useful to keep the story in people's minds and embarrass him.

I never understand these "who cares?" questions. Bear in mind to whom these stories are supposed to play. Also, even the most burnt-out, porn-addicted, degenerate would use this kind of story to make fun of him. Just like our side would were it about Clinton instead.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 11, 2017 1:03 PM  

I never understand these "who cares?" questions.

It's identity politics. The people who believe are the people who care are the people who were already opposed to him in the first place. Everybody is preaching to the choir these days, so figure out which choir you belong in and sing.

Blogger praetorian January 11, 2017 1:03 PM  

That being said, Richard Spencer and all other sell out media whores are not NAZI LARPers, just idiots weakly attempting to signal edge.

Objectively that isn't the case: heil-gate went basically nowhere, swallowed up by events. Spencer is still getting press and putting out interesting content. (I don't agree with quite a bit that he says, but he's always reasonable and interesting.)

I hope we are reaching an armistice in the post-election purge. The various flavors of the Alt-right/new right need each other: the alt-lite is a gateway, the /pol/-tier national socialists hammer the window relentlessly to the right and come up with stuff like this, which I think we can agree is more effective and funny than most stuff that us normies can come up with.

Humor is the key weapon and unifying force, and it was just lying there to be picked up since the left abandoned it for subjectivist purity spiraling.

Anonymous tublecane January 11, 2017 1:12 PM  

@59-Yes, I've been there and it's full of Nazi jokes. Though that's enough to trigger a lib (what isn't?), it's too obviously a joke. However many of them take it seriously themselves, I can't possibly take it seriously. Anyway, they can act as they like in their bubbles (as Obama calls them). What matters is how they act in public.

The role-playing Vox is speaking of takes place in mixed company, where it's impossible to rely on normal people to get the joke.

Anonymous tublecane January 11, 2017 1:26 PM  

@106-Identity politics rules in general , but it does not decide the fates of individuals and specific scandals. There's still a pool of regular people, which you might call "normies," who will be disgusted should, for instance, Pizzagate break or should it be revealed that Trump is, in fact, in the employ of a foreign power and so happens to enjoy watersports. That's the sort of person these stories are supposed to play to.

Of course, it doesn't always work. Edwards went down because sick wife, whereas nothing could bring down predatory Clinton. Trump wasn't ruined by talking about grabbing pussies, but something could ruin him. He's not immune because white people need jobs.

Anonymous VFM#1819 January 11, 2017 2:44 PM  

The MSM failed on many levels, but the two that stand out most are 1) publishing fake news about the one person who has the power and will to dole out massive amounts of reputation-destroying retaliation and 2) attempting to build outrage about the President-elect's involvement in a watersport related kink orgy after their side has been accused of the far far far far more sick shit exposed in Pizzagate. Golden showers? Not even a blip on the public radar after months of reading of ritual sex abuse, torture, and sacrifice of little children. Epic fucking fail by the globalists.

Blogger Martin X January 11, 2017 2:49 PM  

@ #59 - yep the Right is so compartmentalized, they don't really understand the role that other groups are playing, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Everyone has their role to play. There's definitely a spectrum that includes the well constructed arguments and ideas fit for normies that you find at places like this blog, the more edgy content from TRS network and the chaotic cauldron of muck found in the chans.

Blogger Student in Blue January 11, 2017 2:57 PM  

@99. WTFyou
4chan, especially /pol/ where this originated, is literally Nazi LARPers. So being a Nazi LARPer is not the issue

You're missing the point in a huge way.

The point against Nazi LARPing wasn't that we think the people doing it are icky and gross, but that parading said LARPing in front of cameras just dances for the media and gives them credibility.

It's not about the people believing in the Reich, but about the ACTION of parading it about. Because the parading wasn't helping them or us.

This bit of trolling, however... this is what works.

Anonymous tublecane January 11, 2017 4:24 PM  

@112-That's the main thrust of the criticism: that they shouldn't do it where it can make us look bad. But too often the argument instead is phrased as, "pseudo-nazis are loser, weirdo basement-dwellers and of no benefit," up to and including calls for drumming them out of the movement. (Movements?) I have no problem personally with overstating the case, and frankly don't care if Nazi-signalling, humorous and serious alike, disappears altogether.

But give the above poster a little credit. He's not missing the point so much as taking people at their word and making them clarify themselves. (That's some people, not necessarily Vox or you or anyone I can specifically think of.)

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 11, 2017 4:28 PM  

Akulkis wrote:/b/tards and /pol/tards are so awesome.
Probably the first time those words have ever been used in that sequence. If you are female, I believe a singularity could occur.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 11, 2017 4:50 PM  

@Old Ez
"If you ask the TRS guys, or Richard Spencer or Andrew Anglin of the Daily Stormer, all of them would tell you that 4chan and 8chan (i.e., /pol/) are pretty much the most hard-core of the Nazis LARPers in the Alt Right"

Bingo.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 11, 2017 5:04 PM  

"It's really rather remarkable that neither the conservative nor the mainstream media have developed any ability to scent the presence of channers at work yet."

The flip side of this is the Left's near-complete inability to troll effectively. Perhaps immersing oneself in a counterfactual narrative leads, over time, to seriously impaired reality-testing?

Anonymous tublecane January 11, 2017 5:15 PM  

@116-The Left didn't used to be that way. They were the Merry Pranksters, when they weren't being thugs or scolds.

(The New Left was a strange mix of ironic...I don't want to say "wit," but humor of some kind, "Free to be you and me," "Up against the wall, butterfinger!;" and Puritanism. Puritanism won.)

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 11, 2017 6:14 PM  

Time to dredge up a term that's over 100 years old, from back when William Randolph Hearst decided he wanted the US to go to war with Spain in the 1890's.

Yellow Journalism

Use whenever and wherever you like.

Blogger Ben Sanderson January 11, 2017 7:04 PM  

"See, now THIS is how you mock the media and take away its credibility and power, not NAZI-Larping."

This is key right here. Vox is projecting : TRS and the daily stormer aren't trying to mock the media, and they aren't trying to be edgy. They are unapologetically white nationalists. They mean what they say. It's not a marketing ploy to increase self esteem, build confidence, learn alpha game, or get an orangutan mindset.

The Alt light will fade... but the Alt Right will only get bigger and bigger. Join - or fade away.

Blogger DonReynolds January 11, 2017 7:39 PM  

No one seems to mention that the Russians have about as much credibility as the former Soviet Union....which is about zero. Their lies and pure inventions have been discounted since Potsdam....UNTIL we get to the 2016 US presidential election. Suddenly, and for no apparent reason, Russians are the ONLY PEOPLE speaking the "truth". Of course, they are the past masters of disinformation but the Democrats and HateTrump media are willing to suspend their disbelief on any story they believe is negative about Donald Trump. Yes, that is a pretty good definition of "fake news".

Anonymous buybuydandavis January 11, 2017 10:03 PM  

"One simply has to give the media what they desperately want in a multilayer package that sounds sufficiently believable to them."

Exactly this. I made this point when VD was counseling *against* talking to the media.

Give them something they think they want that makes them look like asses.

My favorite was Trump asking a rally to raise their hands to pledge to vote. The media bit and called everyone Nazis. What buffoons.

SJ is mental illness. Prey upon that illness. SJW whistle politics.

Anonymous tublecane January 12, 2017 2:41 AM  

Another thing about the press: they're not that smart. They're thinking on a day-to-day basis, except for the Next Big Thing, which they'll talk about for years if need be. But they're trapped in short-term thinking, in time with the news cycle, so they're constantly resetting and forgetting things. They could be suckered by something they laughed off a week ago, simply because they forgot.

I have a feeling many people heard about this and thought not much of it before the election, then it suddenly felt like news because CIA. If they had been able to bear in mind earlier misgivings, they wouldn't have run with it and made themselves foolish.

Anonymous Anonymous January 12, 2017 3:23 AM  

Gibson has plenty of Jewish support. Hacksaw Ridge is a Hollywood film, with a Jewish lead.

Anonymous Mathias January 12, 2017 3:53 AM  

@105

Pardon me, the following statement was not meant to expand on the previous one, there is an ambiguity there. Also, it wasn't that Batman would hard the guy, it was the idea that a billionaire playboy would spend his nights dressing up in a costume and chasing maniacal psychopaths was a bit of a hard sell in the sniff test department.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 12, 2017 4:41 AM  

Also, it wasn't that Batman would hard the guy, it was the idea that a billionaire playboy would spend his nights dressing up in a costume and chasing maniacal psychopaths was a bit of a hard sell in the sniff test department.
The actual quote is:
Lucius Fox: Let me get this straight. You think that your client, one of the wealthiest, most powerful men in the world, is secretly a vigilante who spends his nights beating criminals to a pulp with his bare hands; and your plan, is to blackmail this person?
[pause, Reese looks nervous]
Lucius Fox:Good luck.


The clear implication is that a smart person does not blackmail psychopaths.

Anonymous Mathias January 12, 2017 1:29 PM  

@124

When I first saw that movie, I never got that. I ALWAYS thought he was pointing to the difficulty of trying to convince others of something that would so obviously violate normalcy bias, and that if he tried that Bruce could use his money and power to easily have him moved to a loony bin. This isn't really a threat of direct harm, and the more powerful argument for a man in a high ranking corporate position is one of social loss and not personal harm.

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident January 13, 2017 7:04 AM  

If you want to post Vox on twitter, use tinyurl. It works.

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