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Sunday, January 08, 2017

Oh, they'll curse you

But not because the EU broke up. They'll have much, much better reasons to do so.
Germany's insistence on austerity in the euro zone has left Europe more divided than ever and a break-up of the European Union is no longer inconceivable, German Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel told Der Spiegel magazine.

Gabriel, whose Social Democrats (SPD) are junior partner to Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives in her ruling grand coalition, said strenuous efforts by countries like France and Italy to reduce their fiscal deficits came with political risks.

"I once asked the chancellor, what would be more costly for Germany: for France to be allowed to have half a percentage point more deficit, or for Marine Le Pen to become president?" he said, referring to the leader of the far-right National Front.

"Until today, she still owes me an answer," added Gabriel, whose SPD favors a greater focus on investment while Merkel's conservatives put more emphasis on fiscal discipline as a foundation for economic prosperity.

The SPD is expected to choose Gabriel, their long-standing chairman who is also economy minister, to run against Merkel for chancellor in September's federal election, senior party sources said on Thursday.

Asked if he really believed he could win more votes by transferring more German money to other EU countries, Gabriel replied: "I know that this discussion is extremely unpopular."

"But I also know about the state of the EU. It is no longer unthinkable that it breaks apart," he said in the interview, published on Saturday.

"Should that happen, our children and grandchildren would curse us," he added. "Because Germany is the biggest beneficiary of the European community - economically and politically."
The myopia of the European elite, particularly the German elite, is astonishing. They think their children and grandchildren will be hate them for accepting the obvious untenability of the EU, while blithely permitting Islamic invasion of their own nation and encouraging it in other European nations.

Thereby proving, once more, that socialists are stupid.

It's not at all unthinkable that the EU will break apart. In fact, it is inevitable.

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54 Comments:

Anonymous #8601 January 08, 2017 7:50 AM  

It is not a question of if, but when.

But that doesn't mean the value of the Euro will drop to zero. The French, for example, will likely be able to exchange them for Francs at a fixed rate (one-time only, then the Franc will float if they're smart). The question is what will be that fixed rate? And will, say, the Italians have a different fixed rate than the Frogs?

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable January 08, 2017 7:56 AM  

Social proof. They're genociding themselves by jailing the messengers telling them that they're being invaded. An extension of "kill the messenger" syndrome, which is perfectly normal human behavior that never ceases to amaze me.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable January 08, 2017 8:02 AM  

#8601 wrote:The question is what will be that fixed rate? And will, say, the Italians have a different fixed rate than the Frogs?

Good question! It will definitely be different; that necessity is in fact a causal factor. To determine it, I think that dividing each (the leaver and the remaining EU) by its percentage of Muslims, and then multiplying each by its latitude, would give a close enough ratio to the truth as would make no difference.

Anonymous #8601 January 08, 2017 8:08 AM  

SciVo - that's a quality formula right there!



Anonymous Yann January 08, 2017 8:09 AM  

In general, any union between countries involves transference of wealth from the rich part to the poor one. This is usually a cause for conflicts, as people in Spain and Italy know well.

So a United Europe would mean surely transference of wealth from the North to the South. But it would have the benefit of reducing strongly the number of European wars to come.

But now, add the transference of wealth to the immigrants in their own country. Tell any German tax payer that his has to pay money for countries in the South, and he has to pay money to immigrants in his own country. That's too much. Europe breaks.

As the proverb says: if you are greedy you may end up with nothing. What is worse: problem here was not greed, but stupidity.

Blogger wreckage January 08, 2017 8:26 AM  

There is absolutely nothing useful about the EU that cannot be replicated better, leaner, and without the need for the useless imperial trappings of the EU.

Blogger Old Ez January 08, 2017 8:26 AM  

Ideological socialists are definitely stupid, but the effete degeneracy of the German elite has more to do with the facts that (1) the nation was subjected to genocidal extermination/dysgenics campaign in the first half of the 20th Century, and (2) the survivors were subjected to Soviet and Judeo-American brainwashing and civilizational subversion for 60 years. The world literally tried to exterminate the German nation in the 20th Century - twice! Its amazing that Germany survived the assault at all (most other nations would have perished), so its not a mystery why the elite installed by Germany's occupiers is diseased and effete.

Blogger Basta Con La Droga January 08, 2017 8:29 AM  

The sooner, the better.

Anonymous Rocklea January 08, 2017 8:39 AM  

Germany's Gabriel calls for Salafist preachers to be expelled
http://news.trust.org/item/20170107151200-j5jdt/?source=hpbreaking

Just words obviously, but definitely angling for Merkel's job, not sure of the split of the coalition and this may just be an attempt to reduce the AFD vote.

Blogger Johnny January 08, 2017 8:42 AM  

Wealth is a slippery word. Sometimes it is assets and sometimes it is income. When rich and poor get together that commonly produces a transfer of spendable money because the poor tend to borrow. Wealth stays the same or grows for the rich, and the poor get a transitory benefit along with social discontent.

The EU has the usual problem that goes with free markets mixed in with regulated ones. Unless everything is set up well the two systems end up fighting each other. The core problem is that the core economies in country are too relegated to function well with a currency that has a value controlled externally.

The idea of the union is good, but the implementation not so much. And now they have a leadership that is all SJW all the time.

Anonymous Mark Auld January 08, 2017 8:54 AM  

The turning away from globalism in the U.S. and G.B. Will have a much harder slog in Germany,we watch with keen interest.

Anonymous Rocklea January 08, 2017 8:58 AM  

The CDU, Merkel's party, has 255 seats. The SPD, Gabriel's party has 193 seats. The economic argument, combined with his anti-salafist stance, means he is positioning himself as the stay in Europe, anti extremist but not islamophobic candidate. Politics.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft January 08, 2017 9:12 AM  

@11. I'm starting to think that they will either come out of it with a political system that will make Nazi Germany look like petulant children, or they won't come out of it at all.

Blogger Some Dude January 08, 2017 9:12 AM  

If most EU countries didn't have hate speech and censorship laws unlike America, the EU would already be dead. Le Pen would win a landslide. As it is europeans trust their (((media))) a lot more and social media showing 'hate' speech is banned and you can go to jail and be fined, lose your job and of course face social condemnation and public name and shame.

Blogger Some Dude January 08, 2017 9:12 AM  

#like america.

Blogger Some Dude January 08, 2017 9:15 AM  

There was a story of a guy that shared an infographic on facebook of the rotterham, leeds, hull etc muslim paedo rings and I think someone reported it and he was arrested and sent to trial.

This is the end game.

Some (((people))) looked at Mordor, 1984, etc and said "I hate the Shire. I think they are better blueprints".

Anonymous badhairday January 08, 2017 9:15 AM  

Perhaps they will thank our present rulers.
Its easy to forget how good we Europeans actually have it.
Meeting Islam face to face might be the wake up call that's needed.

Anonymous BBGKB January 08, 2017 9:15 AM  

If most EU countries didn't have hate speech and censorship laws unlike America, the EU would already be dead. Le Pen would win a landslide.

Even the cops are told not to let people know about crimes. It took 3 months for last new years eve moslem attacks to make news in Cologne

Blogger Some Dude January 08, 2017 9:25 AM  

John McCuckold pushing this Russia stuff is stomach churning. People should just chant cuck-old, cuck-old whenever he's walking by.

Such slime. McCain makes Ryan look somewhat conservative. And that's mightayy low praise indeed suh!

Bum Chum no .2 Graham is another urinal cake.

Was delighted when Trump humiliated Romney. Trump should have handed him his dirty laundry and old underwear and told him to wash it in public while Melania watched and supervised it.

Anonymous torpedo January 08, 2017 9:28 AM  

What made me realize that Gabriel is a complete communist lunatic was his attempt to ban school homework a few years ago.

He wanted to eradicate the "unfair advantage" children with intact families have over children with broken families, by not allowing parents from intact families to help their kids with learning and homework, in an attepmt to slow down "growing inequality".

This attempt sounds even more lunatic when you consider that he is a teacher by profession. A teacher that is investing effort to make children not learn.

So a obese socialist who is obsessed by state-enforced Gleichschaltung has a fair chance to win power over Germany within a few months.

Blogger Some Dude January 08, 2017 9:29 AM  

AFAIK France, UK, and Germany you can go to jail for posting 'rac-ist' slurs on your personal facebook, instagram, twitter, myspace and fuck it, maybe even tinder. America's free spech constitutional right is looking fucking farsighted these days. Well done Jefferson and co.

Although if they get more jews on the supreme court, like they nearly did with Garland, I estimate 10 weeks before they take on a 'hate speech' case and rule 'hate speech' unconstitutional. I would bet my house they would do that.

Anonymous BBGKB January 08, 2017 9:36 AM  

This attempt sounds even more lunatic when you consider that he is a teacher by profession. A teacher that is investing effort to make children not learn.

The only way to get equality is by dragging down east Asians and whites, that's one of the goals of Common Core.

“The reason why I helped write the standards and the reason why I am here today is that as a white male in society I am given a lot of privilege that I didn’t earn,” (((Pook))) stated to the audience.
http://conservativetribune.com/common-core-real-goal/

Anonymous BBGKB January 08, 2017 9:46 AM  

OT:Pronoun game killer http://www.unz.com/isteve/fugitive-berkeley-chicanxlatinx-studies-major-wanted-for-stabbing-homicide-only-answers-to-pronoun-they/

Blogger Old Ez January 08, 2017 9:46 AM  

OT: this is the best analysis yet of the Alt-Lite/Alt-Right/Alt-White divisions: http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2017/01/08/the-alt-lite-and-conservatism/

Blogger Lazarus January 08, 2017 9:53 AM  

"Because Germany is the biggest beneficiary of the European community - economically and politically."

I am surprised he admitted it openly. Why should anyone else be in it? To serve Germany?

Blogger haruman January 08, 2017 10:01 AM  

In fact, EU can now be considered as 4th Reich : a large territory ruled for the sole benefit of Germany.
You could say it is much more successful than the 3rd one, but the German people is no longer a major concern for the 4th.


Lazarus wrote:"Because Germany is the biggest beneficiary of the European community - economically and politically."

I am surprised he admitted it openly. Why should anyone else be in it? To serve Germany?


Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 08, 2017 10:03 AM  

#21 The Mantra by Bob Whitaker is "legal" and sure is more effective than just spewing "racist" invective.

Blogger VD January 08, 2017 10:29 AM  

The idea of the union is good, but the implementation not so much. And now they have a leadership that is all SJW all the time.

No, the idea is not good. It is evil.

Blogger Dave January 08, 2017 10:33 AM  

When does the alt right meme war against that cunt Merkel really begin to take off? How do we conquer the free speech restrictions in Germany?

Unleash the memes!

Anonymous Eric the Red January 08, 2017 10:35 AM  

No eurocrat has ever tried to make an honest economic case for immigration. Instead, they pull some fantasy out of their ass, and expect both their constituents and reality to catch up.

I say nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

Blogger Salt January 08, 2017 10:44 AM  

The idea of the union is good

If that were true then NAFTA would also be beneficially true. Perhaps Germany, France, and Belgium might have had a go at it, but as water seeks its own level, one would necessarily have to rise or fall to meet the new equilibrium.

Of course, to do that one must rob Peter to pay Paul. That is evil and liberals get a warm fuzzy doing it. The bigger the fuzzy the warmer they feel.

Blogger Thomas Henderson January 08, 2017 10:45 AM  

"This attempt sounds even more lunatic when you consider that he is a teacher by profession. A teacher that is investing effort to make children not learn."

So the Vice Chancellor of Germany is a teacher. So too is the Prime Minister of Canada. The next G8 meeting with Gabriel and Trudeau teamed up would inject a bit of high school drama: will they insist Trump and Putin stay after class? Will the head masters fire them instead?

The only thing that would make it more entertaining is if LePen joined the club.

Something about the contemporary converged teaching profession that makes it a soapbox for globalism.

Anonymous Henry Havelock January 08, 2017 10:46 AM  

@7 Interesting reading of history.

@10 The idea of the Union is very bad. There has never been a functional, stable state with so many national and linguistic identities within it. Almost nobody in Europe thinks of themselves as "European", it is largely a confected identity held by metropolitan liberals who wish to virtue signal. We are a continent of peoples, and our primary identity is always national or even sub-national (Scottish, Flemish, etc).

Wildly divergent economies in a single customs, movement and currency bloc is why the EU is going to fail, not varying degrees of regulation. Free trade helps international finance and state-supported manufacturing pretty much exclusively. "Europe isn't Working" - Elliott & Atkinson demonstrates this pretty clearly.

@14 Trust in media is in terminal decline in the EU, and is of course variable across the Union. Countries that were part of the Warsaw Pact have noticeably lower media trust than elsewhere. The last Europe-wide survey is from March 2016 and puts distrust of newspapers at 55%. Anecdotally I would say it has declined since then.

@25 Yes, of course they are in it to serve Germany. That is the bargain that the elites of Europe made. Go to Romania or Bulgaria, see that every single tiny town has at least one derelict factory and then note what industry is actually functioning: mega factories for BMW or Miele or Mercedes. They fly German flags outside the complexes to help the slow ones figure it out.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 08, 2017 10:46 AM  

The idea of the union is good, but the implementation not so much. And now they have a leadership that is all SJW all the time.

No, the idea is not good. It is evil.
This chimera of Euro-unity isn't new The postard is from Vichy France. A broody hen, Notre Mere L'Europe, is facing east with the chicks gathered beneath her facing the same way. The Nazi chick doesn't seem to have been given any special prominence.

There are three stray chicks.

Switzerland and Sweden are looking at their mother with speculative interest.

And the recalcitrant British chick is about to be trapped in the evil Jew box with the American flag on it.

This is from 1942 before the invasion of North Africa when Vichy was something more than a puppet.

The view appears to be, however it happened we have European Unity now and we should just move forward with it.

Anonymous Henry Havelock January 08, 2017 10:48 AM  

@32 The saying "Those who can't, teach." springs to mind.

Blogger 1337kestrel January 08, 2017 10:57 AM  

@wreckage
Sure, the Euro could be saved by privatizing It and ending government scam banking. But that's not credible. The common market might work, if no country manages to harness cheap migrant labor.

Blogger pyrrhus January 08, 2017 11:11 AM  

@36 The Euro can't work for reasons understood by many 20 years ago. It's a German straight jacket for countries who have differing cultures, work ethics, and economic situations. Southern europe is never going to "converge" to the German model. Why should they, with German families having a median net worth that is the second poorest in Europe?

Blogger tuberman January 08, 2017 11:38 AM  

#24 Old Ez

Even though I'd been reading Vdare, and people like Jared Taylor and Ann Coulter for years, I did not fully realize the foundation work being done by the Alt-Right until I read some European Alt-Right sites about a year before Trump started his office run. I was searching for the truth about what was going on in Europe, and it was on those blogs I found it. I was floored by Millennial Woes discussions with various other Alt-Righters, and his observations about Rotherham. I came back to people like Taylor, Sailor, and Coulter with a stronger respect and I added others like Spencer.

The Alt-Lite does little to no foundation work on the Truth, but jumps in later when it's "okay." Some of them do an excellent job of increasing the the pressure on the MSM (Mike), and Feminism (Milo). The Alt-Right should understand the fantastic foundations they have laid and continue to lay, but they need to keep a "big tent" for most of the people on the Alt-Lite with all their problems including specialization, branding, click baiting, and so forth. There is a need to see what new gaps are opening up in the (((others))) control such as the failing of the MSM, and the lack of effectiveness of the Soros money recently.

On the other hand, the destructiveness of the Left/Globalists and the swing around of history at this point will push Identity Politics to the tipping point with little help. The Left has no choice but to continue doubling down deeper into Identity Politics, forcing people to wake up, often in stages.

I expect Europe to change faster than the USA, as our multiculture problems go deeper, but the turn around in Europe will echo back to here.

Blogger Michael Maier January 08, 2017 11:45 AM  

@ Cataline Sergius:

That's a great postcard. Thanks for sharing.

Blogger Some Dude January 08, 2017 11:53 AM  

@34

Fucking hell. Is that a legit stamp? That's an incredible historical artifact. Good discussion too. I remember doing a project in school on the Russo-Finnish war, the Finns did very well for a nation of their size...Hitler could easily have made the mistake of thinking the soviets were inept, not that fighting a defensive war in those environmental conditions is a distinct advantage despite a shoddy millitary.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 08, 2017 12:07 PM  

@34 Cataline Sergius

An anti-Communist European alliance was what came to mind in my case, rather than the EU superstate.

Blogger Johnny January 08, 2017 12:21 PM  

@34 Cataline Sergius

When the United States was being formed out of the Continental Congress a seldom stated but covert goal was foreign policy, the need to keep the predatory European powers at bay. That consideration included a united front against aggression and territorial control or expansion.

By my way of thinking that would be the apparent advantage of the EU, as no one country is strong enough to be a heavy hitter. But unfortunately even that isn't playing out well.

Neat postcard. Unless it has gotten reversed visually the chicks are facing west and England facing east, which in both cases would seem to be the wrong direction.

Anonymous Henry Havelock January 08, 2017 12:34 PM  

@42

This isn't how the EU functions in practice at all. The major powers in Europe are much heavier hitters than Slovenia or Lithuania or Romania. Germany leads. Only France, the hopefully soon to exit UK, and Italy are big enough not to always have to follow.

Blogger Keef January 08, 2017 12:51 PM  

The change to 4 teams per division happened yearsbefore Gooddell became commish.

It's possible Gooddell was influential in making it happen as a Paul Tagliabue underling, but it wasn't Gooddell.

Blogger Johnny January 08, 2017 12:56 PM  

@43

Viewed as potentially a defensive alliance the EU is a duplication of NATO, and NATO was formed to keep out the USSR. Whether that is still a consideration depends on whether or not Russia is a predatory power.

Anonymous Henry Havelock January 08, 2017 1:10 PM  

@45

The EU is not a defensive alliance. It was not formed as a duplication of NATO. The Treaty of Rome in 1957 established the EEC as a customs union. The clue is in the name 'European Economic Community.'

Article 42 was included in the Maastricht Treaty of 1992 but no work has ever been done on making it a reality due to the UK's recalcitrance. Finland, Ireland, Sweden and Austria are also not NATO members and have worked with the UK to block military integration of the EU.

Russia is a predatory power only in the most deranged fantasies of the neocons.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Blogger Johnny January 08, 2017 1:34 PM  

@46

So, everything is set and anybody who does not agree is beneath your intellect. Okay, be that way.

Blogger Dystopian Jackanapes January 08, 2017 1:37 PM  

The breakup of the EU is more then inevitable it is Biblical Prophecy!

Blogger Benjamin Kraft January 08, 2017 2:48 PM  

@47. Just admit error. Don't double down, you'll only regret it later.

Blogger JWM in SD January 08, 2017 3:02 PM  

Vox,

The elites are counting on their children not knowing better. Of course, I suspect a lot of them don't actually have children so they don't care.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 08, 2017 3:33 PM  

@41. VFM #7634

An understandable reaction but there was plenty of pan-European sentiment in the occupied countries.

When I was in college I took a course on Vichy France, while that hardly makes me an expert on the subject, I learned that there was a lot of sentiment in the territories of France that were controlled by Vichy, that European unity was a good thing.

Helping that along was a major goal of French fascists.

The French prefer to forget all about it but for a while Vichy and it's goals enjoyed wide spread support in France.

Anonymous BBGKB January 08, 2017 4:21 PM  

elites are counting on their children not knowing better. Of course, I suspect a lot of them don't actually have children so they don't care

The elites have children just not their own. Did you miss the Pizzagate stuff?

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 08, 2017 6:29 PM  

@34 Cataline: The EU we know today is evil. The idea of a union of nations in Europe seems a lot like the old Holy Roman Empire.

Blogger Eric Slate January 08, 2017 11:26 PM  

The biggest problem currently choking the EU is a one currency system for many sovereign nations with radically different monetary policies dictated by deeply rooted cultural factors.

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