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Thursday, January 12, 2017

The Deep State's war

Against Donald Trump and democracy in America:
FOR MONTHS, the CIA, with unprecedented clarity, overtly threw its weight behind Hillary Clinton’s candidacy and sought to defeat Donald Trump. In August, former acting CIA Director Michael Morell announced his endorsement of Clinton in the New York Times and claimed that “Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation.” The CIA and NSA director under George W. Bush, Gen. Michael Hayden, also endorsed Clinton, and went to the Washington Post to warn, in the week before the election, that “Donald Trump really does sound a lot like Vladimir Putin,” adding that Trump is “the useful fool, some naif, manipulated by Moscow, secretly held in contempt, but whose blind support is happily accepted and exploited.”

It is not hard to understand why the CIA preferred Clinton over Trump. Clinton was critical of Obama for restraining the CIA’s proxy war in Syria and was eager to expand that war, while Trump denounced it. Clinton clearly wanted a harder line than Obama took against the CIA’s long-standing foes in Moscow, while Trump wanted improved relations and greater cooperation. In general, Clinton defended and intended to extend the decadeslong international military order on which the CIA and Pentagon’s preeminence depends, while Trump — through a still-uncertain mix of instability and extremist conviction — posed a threat to it.

Whatever one’s views are on those debates, it is the democratic framework — the presidential election, the confirmation process, congressional leaders, judicial proceedings, citizen activism and protest, civil disobedience — that should determine how they are resolved. All of those policy disputes were debated out in the open; the public heard them; and Trump won. Nobody should crave the rule of Deep State overlords.

Yet craving Deep State rule is exactly what prominent Democratic operatives and media figures are doing. Any doubt about that is now dispelled. Just last week, Chuck Schumer issued a warning to Trump, telling Rachel Maddow that Trump was being “really dumb” by challenging the unelected intelligence community because of all the ways they possess to destroy those who dare to stand up to them:

And last night, many Democrats openly embraced and celebrated what was, so plainly, an attempt by the Deep State to sabotage an elected official who had defied it: ironically, its own form of blackmail.
Greenwald warns about what will happen if the Deep State's claims turn out to be, not only unverified, but false. "Many people will conclude, with Trump’s encouragement, that large media outlets and anti-Trump factions inside the government are deploying “Fake News” to destroy him. In the eyes of many people, that will forever discredit — render impotent — future journalistic exposés that are based on actual, corroborated wrongdoing."

The example he chose - Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's trip to Prague - has already been shown to be false. So, what Greenwald should have said is that many people will correctly conclude that the media and the Deep State are utilizing Fake News to attack the God-Emperor Ascendant, and that they are doing so in vain.

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92 Comments:

Blogger Sillon Bono January 12, 2017 5:17 AM  

The secret services aren't this stupid... wait,they aren't? aren't they?

Blogger CYPHER January 12, 2017 5:20 AM  

The overly politicized hacks at the top echelons most certainly are.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor January 12, 2017 5:22 AM  

Only ten years ago the left was denouncing the CIA for wrongly claiming that Iraq was actively preparing new WMD's. Now that it's to their momentary political advantage, they're acting as though the intelligence community is infallible.

Blogger cavalier973 January 12, 2017 5:24 AM  

I imagine that the Intelligence community is at a loss at how to control Trump, since he's not been "groomed" by them in the manner that career politicians seem to be. There are no pics of Trump enjoying "pizza", as it were.

Just idle speculation on my part.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore January 12, 2017 5:24 AM  

The "Deep State" results from big government, complex government, and distant government.

Anonymous Garrulus January 12, 2017 5:28 AM  

"While many of the claims are inherently unverified, some can be confirmed. One such claim.."

It's unclear if Greenwald refers to the former or the latter here.

Anonymous Garrulus January 12, 2017 5:32 AM  

@1 no they are not stupid, mkultra is their main game, the only conclusion can be this is all done deliberate and they are all in on it against us. FBI and CIA may hate eachother, but they hate their common enemy the people more. Kinda blackpilly.

Anonymous simplytimothy January 12, 2017 5:33 AM  

If I thought like a David Frumm or a Bill (let me get my billionaire friends together for a meeting at a private island) Kristol, I would want my people in power in the Deep State.

The thinking is entirely "not-American". It is entirely consistent with the "public position / private position" cackle-pants mouthed.

Elections are not to gain elected power, but deep state power, as that is where they believe real power is exercised.

The loss of that power explains the emotional wreckage of Kristol, Rubin, McCain...and the lesser emoting of the Deep State lap-dogs like Rubio or Kasich.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy January 12, 2017 5:34 AM  

Garrulus wrote:"While many of the claims are inherently unverified, some can be confirmed. One such claim.."

It's unclear if Greenwald refers to the former or the latter here.

He means “inherently unverifiable”; “inherently unverified” doesn't make sense regardless of the context. Sloppy writing, but I probably shouldn't be surprised by that—if he were capable of precise thought, he would already have joined the Alt-Right.

Blogger Duinne Eile January 12, 2017 5:35 AM  

@ Bono, I remember reading a story about an English man who joined MI6 or MI6, a few weeks after he joined he concluded that he was not yet part of the actual real MI5/6, he must be involved in some outer group where he was being watched and groomed for possible promotion to an upper level, where the real serious work would take place

However six months down the line the horrible truth occurred to him, he really was in MI5/6 and most of his colleagues were idiots

just google the name David Shayler to see what I mean

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor January 12, 2017 5:35 AM  

Even Greenwald can't bring himself to report the whole truth - that the best evidence indicates that the memo was wholly fabricated by a /pol/ack and passed off through political backchannels as legitimate. If people understood this they would never again respect CNN or the CIA.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy January 12, 2017 5:46 AM  

Noah B The MacroAggressor wrote:Even Greenwald can't bring himself to report the whole truth - that the best evidence indicates that the memo was wholly fabricated by a /pol/ack and passed off through political backchannels as legitimate. If people understood this they would never again respect CNN or the CIA.
The 4chan guy posted that ‘they’ were running with his bogus story about the golden showers, but that they had added the Russian spy stuff to that themselves.

Blogger wreckage January 12, 2017 5:48 AM  

On the Australian Right we have a saying.

"Shut it down.
Fire them all."

Enjoy! No charge.

Anonymous Be Deplorable,Not Afraid January 12, 2017 5:52 AM  

"In the eyes of many people, that will forever discredit — render impotent — future journalistic exposés that are based on actual, corroborated wrongdoing."

Ah, Greenwald, you're so close to seeing what most people have already learned about you and your colleagues: you simply cannot be trusted to actually tell the truth. The application to journalism school of anybody who writes "I want to change the world" ought to be tossed in the recycling bin.

Blogger Cato the Elder January 12, 2017 5:56 AM  

@Wreckage

You missed "sell them all into slavery and salt the earth"

(A different Cato)

Blogger Bob Loblaw January 12, 2017 5:57 AM  

You gotta hand it to the Democrat-academia-media axis - they've managed to work themselves into a position where if they actually do find something damning on Trump nobody will believe it.

OpenID neocolonial January 12, 2017 6:02 AM  

wreckage wrote:On the Australian Right we have a saying.

"Shut it down.

Fire them all."

Enjoy! No charge.


Rabz Doctrine. Possibly inadequate entertainment for the ilk, but nevertheless.

Anonymous Icicle January 12, 2017 6:04 AM  

It's incredible Vox. It is like the Praetorian Guard running Rome instead of the Emperor being exposed in public. I guess Trump has no choice now but to curbstomp the surveillance state.

I was right.

I imagine that the Intelligence community is at a loss at how to control Trump, since he's not been "groomed" by them in the manner that career politicians seem to be. There are no pics of Trump enjoying "pizza", as it were.

They like to couch that in the phrase "vetting a candidate."

Does anyone else find it weird that two of the post Cold War presidents were the CIA director and his son, and then they tried to push Jeb on us? Of all the possible choices we could have.

no they are not stupid, mkultra is their main game,

They said they stopped that program in 1970s. Is that actually true?

However six months down the line the horrible truth occurred to him, he really was in MI5/6 and most of his colleagues were idiots

Even idiots can do a lot of damage. And even a coward can kill you. Remember that.

Anonymous Eric the Red January 12, 2017 6:17 AM  

"In the eyes of many people, that will forever discredit — render impotent — future journalistic exposés that are based on actual, corroborated wrongdoing."

Oh, the horror! Therefore us rubes should unconditionally accept every piece of tripe the establishment feeds us, because reasons.

Long ago the CIA lost whatever integrity it may have had with the release of the Iraqi WMD reports. Since then, the CIA has proven itself to be a thugocracy beholden to globalists, leftists, and corporatists. Brennan and the CIA are part of the swamp, and Trump is going to drain it with a cold grim smile on his face.

Blogger Lazarus January 12, 2017 6:18 AM  

Ike warned about all this, plus financial insolvency in 1961 and his warnings were studiously ignored for the next five and a half decades.

Ce'est la vie.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 12, 2017 6:21 AM  

This is going to get ugly, fast. I'm seeing a precedent here. In the early days of the administration of Bush the Younger, they wound up sacking an Army Chief of Staff for trying to publicly undermine SECDEF. Trump will need to do the same thing.

He'll also need to make arrangements for a stand-alone intelligence analysis capability. No telling how deep the rot goes..

Blogger James Dixon January 12, 2017 6:24 AM  

> The secret services aren't this stupid... wait,they aren't? aren't they?

Who knows. What we do know is that Obama has had eight years to put his people in at all levels, and the only thing that matters to him is ideology, not competence.

Blogger James Dixon January 12, 2017 6:28 AM  

> Brennan and the CIA are part of the swamp...

One part of the swamp, the NSA, has been extremely quiet during this fiasco. I wonder what's going on with them.

Blogger Melampus the Seer January 12, 2017 6:30 AM  

My European friends can't understand why Americans are "so stupid about their government". I tell them there are reasons to have sympathy not antipathy. Americans are the victims of perhaps the most sophisticated and diabolical propaganda and subversion campaign ever conducted on a people.

In a short fifty years this campaign has destroyed the family, created widespread hatred of whites, reduced politicians to fearful sycophants of the deep state.

The election of Trump may be the most important domestic political event of the century.


Blogger Tom Kratman January 12, 2017 6:32 AM  

I've said it before and I mean it; simply purging the Agency is not enough. Large numbers of them need to be stood against a wall and shot.

Anonymous Icicle January 12, 2017 6:36 AM  

"Regimes may fall and fail, but I do not."
As Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord said. You can apply that to the current Deep State.

Anonymous Eric the Red January 12, 2017 6:43 AM  

@20:
The thing about Ike, his warning always seemed a little hyperbolic; after all, who doesn't like a reasonably strong military? These days it brings to mind the UFO people claiming there's a breakaway civilization set up to fund a secret space program of advanced FTL craft, or something like that.

Also, "military-industrial" smacks of leftist conspiracy theories. Instead, there's a leftist-globalist-corporatist cabal trying to take over the world. They have a temporary alliance that allows each of them access to levers of world power. That unholy tryst makes more sense, plus it's supported by daily events in the US and EU along with their adventures in other parts of the world.

OpenID basementhomebrewer January 12, 2017 6:52 AM  

Napoleon 12pdr wrote:

He'll also need to make arrangements for a stand-alone intelligence analysis capability. No telling how deep the rot goes..


He has a proven ally in Thiel. Thiel just happens to own a company called Palantir which is all about data gathering and analysis. I have a friend that worked for them and now he is on the transition team. I am guessing Trump is planning on leveraging their expertise and resources when it comes to needing real intelligence.

Blogger Lazarus January 12, 2017 6:55 AM  

Eric the Red wrote:Also, "military-industrial" smacks of leftist conspiracy theories.

If you read the actual text of the speech, it is presented as simple common sense.

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.


Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961

Blogger Sagramore January 12, 2017 7:04 AM  

@4 It's been pretty clear to me Trump has been running his own intelligence operation for several decades and is probably more robust and agile then the Company.

@18 Does anyone else find it weird that two of the post Cold War presidents were the CIA director and his son, and then they tried to push Jeb on us?

Not at all now that I have a deeper understanding of things.

Anonymous Eric the Red January 12, 2017 7:09 AM  

@29:

"unwarranted influence" is vague. It doesn't really spell out what kind of influence it might have on the US government, nor coversely what kind of US government might be already predisposed to use it. There could be a fascist state, a socialist state, an honest-to-God Constitutional Republic, or something else altogether. Neither Ike nor anyone else has ever made clear how a military-industrial partnership is per se a bad thing. The only thing I've ever seen is the rabid 'peace-now' crew insisting on its evil influence to create endless wars for no particular end goal. Yes there are a lot of wars, and yes somebody's making a profit, but unless you're prone to the logical fallacy of sweeping generalization, the wars are fought for some overriding purpose.

Anonymous Icicle January 12, 2017 7:11 AM  

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions.

Large agglomerations from industrialization. I wonder if that will start to reverse itself now that technology has proliferated; like 3D printers for manufacturing.

Not at all now that I have a deeper understanding of things.

Of course if you want to get all spergy HW Bush was already in before the Cold War ended. But I think you get the point.

Blogger Shimshon January 12, 2017 7:20 AM  

The Deep State is not monolithic. There are factions. Globalists and nationalists.

In a post in 2015 to his Political Blog (which I have not been able to find since), Lew Rockwell said one of his Deep State contacts (he didn't use the term, but meant the same thing) said Trump was going to win, because elements of the Deep State were sick of the wars.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY January 12, 2017 7:28 AM  

25. Tom Kratman
I second that, and throw in drawing and quartering for the upper echelon.

Blogger Ken Prescott January 12, 2017 7:34 AM  

@29

Most people forget the next part of that speech:

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.
Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.

It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 12, 2017 7:34 AM  

The only reason this all came to ahead is because Buzzfeed, which wants to be part of the Deep State Club but isn't, ran with the report. This report was just fine for Deep State objectives so long as no one in the general public never saw it.

Everyone was counting on the general belief of,"where there's smoke, there's fire somewhere." CNN knew better than to mention Golden Showers but instead hinted at business malfeasance. Which the briefing did mention long enough to say that there wasn't any. The rest was just too hilariously stupid to be taken seriously.

Blogger Ken Prescott January 12, 2017 7:37 AM  

@32

Large agglomerations from industrialization. I wonder if that will start to reverse itself now that technology has proliferated; like 3D printers for manufacturing.

Not really. The biggest change since World War II is the concept of the weapon system: the integration of numerous diverse pieces into a complete whole, and this has only gotten worse with the rise of the information age. Your average fast attack submarine is a supercomputing node with a nuclear reactor, torpedo tubes, and an ice cream machine...

Anonymous Incurvatus January 12, 2017 7:38 AM  

Steve Pieczenik wasn't exaggerating when he described the Trump campaign as part of a counter-coup.

Anonymous JAMES January 12, 2017 7:40 AM  

The real eye opener has been the disconnect.

Ever since this became a thing the net has been full of right wingers chortling.

But many leftist journalists from mainstream outlets until recently seemed to have no idea at all that there was anything amiss about this far fetched tale.

As another Aussie I can only add my endorsement to the Rabz doctrine.

Shut it down.

Fire them all.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric January 12, 2017 7:43 AM  

Icicle wrote:Even idiots can do a lot of damage. And even a coward can kill you. Remember that.
That's why it was "the horrible truth." Otherwise, it would merely be the exasperating, frustrating truth.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY January 12, 2017 7:44 AM  

And that better be a soft serve ice cream mo-sheen with a sprinkles bar on that there high dollah nukie sub.

Anonymous Incurvatus January 12, 2017 7:48 AM  

@15 Cato:
Cato the Elder wrote:@Wreckage

You missed "sell them all into slavery and salt the earth"


As a reminder: the 13th Amendment permits slavery as punishment for a crime.

Not only will Mexicans pay for the wall, the ones here illegally will build the wall.

Just imagine the shrieking and wailing of "Muh Constitution!" from the cuckservatives.

Blogger Jack Ward January 12, 2017 7:57 AM  

#25
Yes, this. Mr. Trump will have to try, somehow, to remain alive until 1/21/17. And, beyond.
Remember Jack Kennedy? I do. And, his fate. For all his faults, and there were plenty, he was a half decent President. Too decent, it seems. Who really was back of his fate? CIA do come to mind as a prime candidate.
Watch your back Donald.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 12, 2017 8:08 AM  

Keep in mind that the Deep State faces no external competition; internal jockeying between members is not a substitute for the forge of battle.

That, and it's a largely staffed by nepotism & the exact clannishness that characterizes mideast satrapies.

Monopoly + Incest = Idiocracy.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable January 12, 2017 8:10 AM  

Melampus the Seer wrote:In a short fifty years this campaign has destroyed the family

The family court system -- or should I say (((family court system)))? -- has been a gleeful and lawless agent in that, and needs to be destroyed root and branch. Even worse to blacks than whites, actually.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable January 12, 2017 8:23 AM  

Oh, and I say that as a mere observer, not even one with any relatives that have been put through the family court meat grinder. If you look at the arbitrary way they work -- no civil liberties, heavily biased against men and intact families, feelz-based instead of fact-based, actually re-introducing debtor's jail (?!) -- our "family" "court" "system" is un-American in every way.

Blogger Timmy3 January 12, 2017 8:29 AM  

Interesting how Trump's enemies have defanged themselves before Trump even began his term. He can now pursue his agenda without interference.

Blogger wreckage January 12, 2017 8:35 AM  

I admit, given the propensity for solutions like "mince them all finely and fire them out of a canon into the faces of their shocked next-of-kin in a kind of obscene cannibalistic bukkake", that "Shut it down. Fire them all." might seem tame.

Nevertheless, the Rabz doctrine is never carried out, because, well, cuckservatives.

It's not an extreme position. It's just a simple necessity. The left must be defunded; you do not win a war by carefully leaving the enemy's supply lines intact, their logistics undisturbed, and their manufacturing base unmolested.

The left's long march was primarily about scuring employment and funding to run the rest of their war of extermination against Western civilization. It must be reversed, forcefully, quickly, and without mercy.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric January 12, 2017 8:45 AM  

wreckage wrote:I admit, given the propensity for solutions like "mince them all finely and fire them out of a canon into the faces of their shocked next-of-kin in a kind of obscene cannibalistic bukkake", that "Shut it down. Fire them all." might seem tame.
Stuff like this is exactly why Americans like Aussies.

Blogger Zeke OF Confettii January 12, 2017 8:49 AM  

Science Fiction seems to be an excellent vehicle to convince the people that captivity to such an elite is a GRRREEEAAATE idea.
Migh explain a Hugo number of things.

Blogger modsquad January 12, 2017 9:06 AM  

All of the world's intelligence agencies are interconnected. None of them answer to their own governments or military, they answer to their central banks.

Anonymous a_peraspera January 12, 2017 9:07 AM  

I would hate to be the CIA director trying to bring Trump some intelligence on a REAL threat now.

He'll probably just stare at the guy and tell him, "I hope your source for this wasn't 4chan this time."

Anonymous Dyskord January 12, 2017 9:20 AM  

I think the problem the CIA and other security agencies suffer from, regarding the public, is perception.
Normal people look upon them with awe and amazement. Intelligent people look on in dismay and exasperation.
The fact is they are no different than any government agency run by beauracrats.
How did 4chan troll U.S intelligence, easily.
The Deep State is run by Shallow thinkers.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Hair January 12, 2017 9:26 AM  

"The integration of numerous pieces..." Do you mean combined arms breach?

Blogger seeingsights January 12, 2017 9:46 AM  

I think the institutional self interest of the NSA is in some ways different from the CIA. My sense is that NSA didn't care for Hillary because of the way she handles electronic communications. The NSA is not necessarily against Trump.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) January 12, 2017 9:47 AM  

Greenwald
In the eyes of many people, that will forever discredit — render impotent — future journalistic exposés that are based on actual, corroborated wrongdoing."



notice that i pointed this out yesterday ...



1. Sillon Bono January 12, 2017 5:17 AM
The secret services aren't this stupid... wait,they aren't? aren't they?


the US secret services are the ones who are spying on the entire internet.

they think YOU are this stupid.


25. Tom Kratman January 12, 2017 6:32 AM
Large numbers of them need to be stood against a wall and shot.



who are you and what have you done with the real Kratman?

Blogger Cail Corishev January 12, 2017 9:58 AM  

Even Greenwald can't bring himself to report the whole truth

He's still on the left, trying to get the rest of them to back away from the cliff before they all go over and drag him along. He can't just come out and say it's fake, because that would help us. So he says, "You know, guys, one of these times [wink wink] one of these things could [nudge nudge] turn out to be fake and burn us, so maybe we should back off now and spend some time writing about other things, like vaguely bashing the intelligence services for a while."

Anonymous Longtime Lurker January 12, 2017 10:29 AM  

We worry about civilian control of the military almost to the point of being fetishistic about it. But its the necessity of civilian control over the IC that needs be emphasized more at this point in the country's history. Most presidents are expected to let the IC (i.e., Langley) do its thing or else. Depending upon how hard Trump pushes back against the IC, we are going to get perhaps one of the best looks into the Deep American State since the 1970s.

Blogger Duke Norfolk January 12, 2017 10:30 AM  

Ken Prescott wrote:Most people forget the next part of that speech:

Exactly right. And it has done at least as much damage to our society as the M-I complex aspect. One huge part of the fed govt beast that has grown so large and out of control.

Anonymous Just another commenter January 12, 2017 10:31 AM  

The left and the Dems (but I repeat myself) crave control of the nation by the Deep State because they believe they can control it, or perhaps they even think they ARE it. They do not understand that such state Organs always eat their own. Always.

Blogger Akulkis January 12, 2017 10:42 AM  

Of course not -- we use 8chan now.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 12, 2017 10:47 AM  

Cataline, yep, that part stood out to me too. Like Moltke said, the stupid and energetic are dangerous. Our enemies cultivated energetic useful idiots for decades and they're well-supplied with stupid and energetic fellow travelers.

Anonymous BBGKB January 12, 2017 10:48 AM  

Chuck Schumer issued a warning to Trump,

"Oy Vey believe our lies or we will be even more underhanded"

The secret services aren't this stupid... wait,they aren't? aren't they?

Ask Kratman what a joke Military Intelligence is. Keep in mind (((they))) rarely have an opponent who was protected by aware security personnel for life to prevent blackmailing.

#33thing) said Trump was going to win, because elements of the Deep State were sick of the wars.

The Conservative Treehouse guy also claims White Hats in the Intel Agencies have been helping TRUMP since he started to run.

25. Tom Kratman I second that, and throw in drawing and quartering for the upper echelon.

You guys need to leave at least enough for one season of "Don't Garrote Fewer Felons Than A Faggot"

journalists from mainstream outlets until recently seemed to have no idea at all that there was anything amiss about this far fetched tale

Maybe the Russians under the NY Times reporters beds should wear raincoats. People who pay home depot wetbacks to pee on them wouldn't consider the story odd.

the US secret services are the ones who are spying on the entire internet. they think YOU are this stupid.

Thanks to affirmative action and relying on electronic surveillance + hooker cams they have gotten away with being sloppy.

He can't just come out and say it's fake, because that would help us. So he says, "You know, guys, one of these times [wink wink]

I actually was telling people it was a bad idea to push for trannies in women's bathrooms during an election year knowing most would double down.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 12, 2017 10:49 AM  

On similar news, turns out Soros isn't really as smart as commonly believed. He just lost $1 billion betting against Trump, whereas the fellow who actually advised Soros in his famous bet against the pound in the 1990s, Stanley Druckenmiller, betted ON Trump and picked up some money:

Billionaire George Soros Lost Nearly $1 Billion in Weeks After Trump Election

They're not omnipotent or omniscient, folks.

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 12, 2017 10:50 AM  

neocolonial wrote:Rabz Doctrine.
A search turns up references to this, but nothing resembling a definition.

Provide one, please?

Blogger tz January 12, 2017 10:55 AM  

What Greenwald misses is the lügenpresse IS part of the deep state.

Yes, they are that stupid. Back in the 1980's, like with Ray Donovan, innuendo and calumny was high art.

I suspect the group has been converged, the stuff reads like bad sci-fi plots.

Greenwald is a true journalist, but is alarmed that 90% of his industry are presstitutes, and they have the prestige properties - the networks, wapo, nyt.

He was properly shocked at the "we must abandon any pretense of truth and get Hillary elected". Now they are in that hole and can't climb out. Worse, Trump Derangement Syndrome is progressive (pun intended). It's like they are upping the dose of a hallucinogen. They are somewhere between National Enquirer and Weekly World News. Compare the (generally falsified) Ted Cruz mistress story with this golden shower. You can be skeptical of the former, but the latter is BS on its face. Which CNN reported. BuzzFeed's error is to expose the raw data so the innuendo and spin blew apart.

Anonymous Icicle January 12, 2017 10:55 AM  

Not really. The biggest change since World War II is the concept of the weapon system: the integration of numerous diverse pieces into a complete whole, and this has only gotten worse with the rise of the information age.

There goes that dream.

Blogger Beau January 12, 2017 11:04 AM  

Remember Jack Kennedy? I do. And, his fate.

Lord Jesus protect him. Amen.

Anonymous Gen. Kong January 12, 2017 11:08 AM  

Deep state is Neo-Kohannim central. No surprise there. Best thing Trump could do would be to grant Assange full pardon and expose the lot of them. Have the military arrest all dual-citizens on charges of Treason and proceed with a total purge - up to and including speedy trials and executions.

Blogger Sevron January 12, 2017 11:14 AM  

I don't understand what the CIA is doing really. It's obvious it's not in the US citizens' best interests, nor any national interest, but they don't really seem to be helping anyone at all.

Anonymous Philalethes January 12, 2017 11:17 AM  

All this brouhaha notwithstanding, it seems Trump now believes what the "intelligence community" has been trying to sell:

Trump, Priebus Think Russia Behind Hacks Despite Lack of Public Proof

Little is known about the contents of last week’s secret meeting between Trump, Obama, and four intelligence heads. It is unknown whether the meeting provided more information than the widely discredited report released by BuzzFeed yesterday.

This is what I've been fearing. Trump is a smart man, and a fighter, but whatever he's dealt with in NYC is dwarfed by the level of evil power in DC. They'll work on him night and day with all the pressure they have available, until he doesn't know what he thinks. As Lew Rockwell put it:

“Trump acknowledges Russia role in U.S. election hacking”

If this report is not more fake news and Trump continues bending, he will be in the ruling establishment’s hands by the time he is inaugurated.


Trump has stepped right into this one. He's made bad moves before, and recovered; but the stakes are growing higher now by the day. 

@30: It's been pretty clear to me Trump has been running his own intelligence operation for several decades and is probably more robust and agile then the Company.

If so, why didn't Trump come out and say "It was the Russians" long ago? He had to be convinced – and apparently the "four intelligence heads" convinced him.

Anonymous Gen. Kong January 12, 2017 11:33 AM  

Icicle:
It's incredible Vox. It is like the Praetorian Guard running Rome instead of the Emperor being exposed in public. I guess Trump has no choice now but to curbstomp the surveillance state.

It is similar to the Praetorian Guard, except it's actually worse. The Praetorians were chiefly loyal to themselves at the end of the day. At one point they even auctioned off the office of Imperator - and disposed of the winning highest bidder (a Senator) around nine months later. The Deep State serves the likes of Soros and Carlos Slim - with unchecked resources to ensure that folks like Miss Lindsay Graham and Juan 'Batshit' McAmnesty are continually re-elected (though having an Alzheimers voter base helps with Juan). While the Praetorians may not have been loyal to the Romans, the Banana Imperium's Deep State is actively devoted to genociding the posterity mentioned in the Preamble of the Constitution. That's treason. They need to be dismantled and destroyed.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 12, 2017 11:41 AM  

There's a little irony in the "Trump aide went to Prague" fake news.
Back in the late 60's, early 70's, a young man named Bill Clinton really did go to Eastern Europe, to Prague, when it was all part of the Warsaw Pact under the domination of the USSR. To this day no journo-list has ever really tried to find out who Clinton met with and what he did in Prague, at the time when it was crawling with Communist agents.

The press has been lying by commission and by omission for a long time. Probably longer than a lot of us have been around.

Anonymous BBGKB January 12, 2017 11:52 AM  

All this brouhaha notwithstanding, it seems Trump now believes what the "intelligence community" has been trying to sell

No during his speech yesterday they claimed he admitted that Putin's hacking helped him win the election when no such thing happened. In his speech he pointed out that the president and vice president have been immune from the conflict of interest rules that was even verified during Bubba Clinton's presidency, yet news had jewyjews talking about what a conflict of interest his kids running the company is. "oy vey he should have a fire sale of all his properties, or have his kids take on (((debt)) to buy it"

If you don't see TRUMP actually saying what the ludenpress claims he likely didn't say it.

Blogger kurt9 January 12, 2017 12:04 PM  

It is not hard to understand why the CIA preferred Clinton over Trump. Clinton was critical of Obama for restraining the CIA’s proxy war in Syria and was eager to expand that war, while Trump denounced it.

Guys, its much more fundamental than that. The CIA employs thousands of bureaucrats who basically do nothing all day long. The vast majority of them are not even willing to live abroad and either be or support the case officers which supposedly is the reason for the CIA to exist in the first place. The federal government as a whole employs about 2 million people, most of whom do absolutely nothing productive at all. Then you have the huge number of consultants (beltway bandits) who make up much of the population of the DC metro area (Virginia and Maryland suburbs) who are also on the gravy train. The gravy train began expanding under Clinton in the 90's and continued to expand under both Bush II (who was really a democrat for all practical purposes) and Obama.

Trump wants to end the gravy train. Of course half the population of the D.C. Metro area (including the thousands of "M's" and "Moneypennu's" at CIA) are going to push back.

Guys, this is not a war between globalism vs. nationalism or cosmopolitanism vs. traditionalism. Its much more fundamental than that. Its the war of the productive vs. the non-productive. That is the reason why we must win this war.

Blogger tuberman January 12, 2017 12:05 PM  

#71
Concern noted.

Blogger Johnny January 12, 2017 12:33 PM  

>>Guys, this is not a war between globalism vs. nationalism or cosmopolitanism vs. traditionalism. It's much more fundamental than that.

Part of it is globalism because globalism empowers the Washington establishment.

While I don't agree with a lot of the anti free trade stuff, it has become apparent to me that having an abundance of free trade causes foreign interests to have a stake in our internal politics. Thus they seek to meddle with our politics internally. This is inherently corrupting because they are beyond the reach of our laws.

Anonymous ZhukovG January 12, 2017 12:40 PM  

People worried about Trump being turned by the establishment need to understand that Trump remembers who JFK was. He will likely be careful about which crusades he undertakes and will always try to appear malleable.

Blogger Cail Corishev January 12, 2017 12:55 PM  

Trump has stepped right into this one.

2016 called; it wants its failed narratives back.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 12, 2017 12:56 PM  

BBGKB wrote:If you don't see TRUMP actually saying what the ludenpress claims he likely didn't say it.

Trump often speaks for effect rather than to impart facts. Even if he said it, he might not have meant you to take it seriously.

Blogger Johnny January 12, 2017 1:03 PM  

The reason Trump won't be turned by the establishment is that even if he turned the establishment would still want their pound of flesh. Punting isn't an option, he has to go for a touchdown. To quote Churchill, "When you ride a tiger you can never get off."

Why Trump does what he does I don't know. But what I admire about him is that he is willing to do it.

Anonymous Philalethes January 12, 2017 1:08 PM  

@78: People worried about Trump being turned by the establishment need to understand that Trump remembers who JFK was.

I'm sure he does, and so do I – and where I was (in my college dorm room, a foot of snow outside) when I heard. That (and so much since then) is how I know these people know no restraint – except as a tactic.

Trump has fooled (most) everybody before, and recovered well from significant stumbles. This one, unfortunately, has the added effect of (possibly) damaging the effort to thaw relations with Russia – thus playing right into the hands of the neocons. I'm pretty sure Trump is a good man and sincere, but these are some very bad people he's now confronting. I certainly hope Rockwell's worry doesn't pan out. Can only wait and see. Certainly will be a pleasure to see him fool 'em again. If…

Blogger Johnny January 12, 2017 1:09 PM  

The thing you got to get is that the Russian hacking thing is an effort to imply that Trump was installed by the Russians. Evidence for this is at best too weak to be taken seriously, and at worst non existent. The core purpose of the argument is rhetoric not dialectic, thus one needs to be opposed to the notion of Russian interference regardless of merit or extent.

Anonymous Philalethes January 12, 2017 1:14 PM  

@83: The core purpose of the argument is rhetoric not dialectic, thus one needs to be opposed to the notion of Russian interference regardless of merit or extent.

Exactly. Give them an inch and they'll make it a mile in the public's mind (such as it is).

Anonymous a_peraspera January 12, 2017 1:30 PM  

Yes, exactly. It was a huuuge mistake by Trump to acknowledge any Russian hacking at all.

Now the Democrats can say Hillary would have won without the Russian hacking and therefore Trump is not the properly elected President. And now, if you argue with them, they can always point out that Trump admitted on live TV that the Russians hacked the election.

It would have been much smarter (and probably more accurate) to say that obviously SOMEONE hacked the DNC's emails, but that we can't really tell who.

Because the DNC's cyber-security was so laughably bad that anyone could have done it, up to and including your kid brother. In fact the DNC was most likely hacked by multiple parties at multiple times.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 12, 2017 2:13 PM  

@71 Philalethes
If so, why didn't Trump come out and say "It was the Russians" long ago? He had to be convinced – and apparently the "four intelligence heads" convinced him.
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I took it as he was agreeing that in general all nations hack or attempt to hack each other. We know for sure that China hacked for instance.

Anonymous BBGKB January 12, 2017 3:08 PM  

The conservative treehouse called this out months ago as a reaction of the corrupt deep state & good White Hats in the intel community.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/01/11/tripwire-alert-the-intelligence-shadow-war-final-act/

"We stated in September 2015:
[…] Donald Trump, a serious student of the entire decades long game, is waging a 360° war against the entire DC apparatus, on every single level of its construct. And yes, that also means the monolithic media empire which facilitates all of the aforementioned usurpations.

Donald Trump is campaigning against EVERY ADVERSE INTEREST to the U.S.A. This is the essential underpinning of the “Make America Great Again” campaign...

Slightly more than a week after winning the 2016 Presidential Election, the head of the NSA Cyber Command, Admiral Mike Rogers, went to New York and met with the new President-Elect Donald Trump inside Trump Tower.

A month prior to that specific visit, DNI Director James Clapper advised President Obama to fire Admiral Mike Rogers....


All activity from that mid-November meeting through to now, points to Rogers giving advanced notice to Trump of a political intelligence scheme which culminated today with the public embarrassment of the those politicized intelligence agencies, operatives and their vessels for disinformation – the media.



OT: Swamp reporter took pics of Tillerton's notes https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/01/12/washington-posts-doris-n-truong-caught-on-video-taking-pictures-of-rex-tillerson-notes/

Blogger Happy LP9 January 12, 2017 4:18 PM  

I'm elated, I adore it! Trump placed the media or CNN/MSM into check! Thrilled!

Blogger Rambam January 12, 2017 5:23 PM  

Didn't know there still was a Russian Federatiion.
Does everyone get glorious hat if they join?

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident January 13, 2017 5:58 AM  

If you want a window on "intelligence community" (IC) thinking, follow @20committee on Twitter.

Those treasonous bastards are openly plotting new "no Whitehouse" classified tags and actual open warfare against Trump. They will stop at nothing to get their war against Russia.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 13, 2017 5:35 PM  

@a_peraspera

"It would have been much smarter (and probably more accurate) to say that obviously SOMEONE hacked the DNC's emails, but that we can't really tell who."


Not really. "Hack" =/= "leak." The establishment narrative deliberately conflates the junior high school level phishing "hack" used to expose Podesta the Molesta's emails with the leak that exposed the evidence of crimes contained in the DNC's emails. There is absolutely zero evidence that the DNC was ever hacked. Assange has resolutely maintained that he obtained the DNC evidence from an individual, not a state actor, and has implied that it was a leak by an insider.

Even more tellingly, the DNC has flat-out refused to let the FBI do any direct forensic examination of their servers. Even leading fake news outlet CNN admits this:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/01/05/politics/fbi-russia-hacking-dnc-crowdstrike/index.html

On an unrelated note, Seth Rich's killer has yet to be caught...

Anonymous ZJ January 15, 2017 11:28 PM  

Once again we see how Trump appears a grand strategist to his friends while appearing the fool to his enemies. This has the benefit of both strengthening his support while making his opponents underestimate him.

I have to admit it's still painful to watch his opponents fall into such blatant traps. But as I believe Napoleon once said "Never interupt your opponent when he is in the process of making a mistake."

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