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Wednesday, January 11, 2017

The fear of woman

Is the beginning of dyscivilization. Pastor Doug Wilson addresses one way in which modern Churchians have attempted to neuter the Christian man.
If over the course of a few months of pastoral counseling, say, I encounter three instances of husbands and fathers getting angry in the home, you can expect that problem to start showing up in sermons—either in sermons on anger, or passing illustrations about anger in sermons on something else. My assumption is that the instances I have found out about are the tip of the iceberg.

Now suppose—just suppose—the presenting problem in three marriages I am trying to help is the problem of lazy and idle housewives. Is there any practical way, without becoming a Pariah for the Ages, to preach on “Lazy Housewives”? I could get myself into a fit of the giggles just thinking about it.

Anything said along these lines will be immediately translated into an “attack on all women.” The violent response will insist that what you said about a small subset of women is to be understood by the entire world as an attack on all women, and the violent response will be led by women who also insist that they are every bit as rational as men, and should therefore be trusted to preach and teach and handle the text of Scripture, and they will do this when they have just finished parsing a statement that some mammals are marsupials into the clownish doctrine that all mammals are marsupials, and how dare you say that all mammals have pouches? Whales don’t have pouches, you maroon.

The reason for this reaction is that Satan hates women, and does not want them to have any pastoral care. He does not want them to have husbands who protect them. He wants them to be surrounded by feckless cowards, who refuse to tell them the truth.

He wants them to have men in their lives who would rather lie than lead.
I don't know if I can go along with this hateful attack on women. After all, did not Judeo-Christ say: "I do not permit a husband to criticize or to assign blame to his wife; he must be silent in his servant-leadership. For Adam was formed first, then Eve."

I am confident all right-thinking Churchians will agree with me that it is both wrong and sinful for a man to criticize any woman, but particularly a woman to whom he is, or was formerly, married, and that the proper role of a husband is to provide, without complaint, for his wife and his wife's son.

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74 Comments:

Anonymous Bob January 11, 2017 8:06 AM  

Is that sarcasm?

Blogger dc.sunsets January 11, 2017 8:28 AM  

I truly pity those men who married GoGrrrl daughters of divorced hags and emasculated fathers.

I've said it often; when the Rage Dam collapses and a Krakatoa-level of rage-magma flows down the valley, we'll rediscover that the most dangerous creature on Earth is a man. Not a woman, who needs a male slave, preferably a eunuch, to carry out her will, but a MAN.

Woe be it to women trapped then between when GoGrrrl was their milk language and the new times where giving in to BPD behavior becomes a death sentence. Women who embraced consequence-free torment of men will likely discover there are no bars on the cages of the 500-lb tigers they poked with (family court) sticks.

The times that approach strike me as a valley through which humanity will pass, and large swaths won't emerge from it. Domineering, narcissistic, BPD behavior among women is not a survival asset.

Blogger modsquad January 11, 2017 8:33 AM  

It's never been about men who would rather lie than lead. No one other than the career criminal (or politician) would prefer lying as a way of life. But if you don't want the truth, I'm under no obligation to force it upon you. You're free to drive this car (civilization) over a cliff (Thelma and Louise) just as I'm free to get out of the car before you do.

In older days when a village would suffer through a period of severe drought and food scarcity, everyone would cut back in order to survive. If the starvation worsened and continued, the adults would cut off the children first from food and let them die, knowing they could reproduce again when conditions improved. If conditions worsened further still, the men would abandon the women knowing their chances for survival improved on their own without sharing any resources. They would first seek better conditions for survival and then eventually a new source of women for reproduction.

The only difference with today's society is that the starvation is for truth, and it's been a self-imposed suffering. Many men have already cut bait and left, and they're not coming back. The mainstream of society hasn't fully noticed yet, but when they do you can be guaranteed the truth as to why it's happening will not be on the menu. We are all witness to Atlantis slipping into the sea, in slow motion. Everyone alive on the planet today will watch a world civilization fall.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 11, 2017 8:36 AM  

I might add that, just as SJW's won't likely need to be killed outright (they'll be prey to their religious totem zoo animals or they'll sit down and passively die in place), the spread of vicious behavior among women will self-limit as such individuals will find themselves utterly unprotected by those whose strength and devotion they squandered by disrespecting the self-evident order of human biology.

Times were too fat for too long, almost like someone who jumps so high that they forgot that gravity exists and the landing will be bone-crushing and organ-rupturing. Damn this once-in-300-years mass mania.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 11, 2017 8:41 AM  

You're free to drive this car (civilization) over a cliff (Thelma and Louise) just as I'm free to get out of the car before you do.

If the crowd wants to go jump in the lake, be sure they'll try to drag you in with them. The mob doesn't allow bystanders. This metaphor holds true today. It is exceedingly difficult for any individual or family to extricate from the conflagration already baked into the cake. This is a consequence of the scale of politico-economic systems. The globalists all but succeeded in making a Single System World, just in time for that model to detonate like Mount Vesuvius.

Blogger modsquad January 11, 2017 8:47 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:You're free to drive this car (civilization) over a cliff (Thelma and Louise) just as I'm free to get out of the car before you do.

It is exceedingly difficult for any individual or family to extricate from the conflagration already baked into the cake.


There is no spoon, or in this case, no cake.

Blogger Sagramore January 11, 2017 8:51 AM  

As I told the taxi driver the other day, my knees may be soggy, but who paid your rent this month, sweetheart?

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable January 11, 2017 8:59 AM  

As a regular reader of Doug Wilson, my amusement knows no bounds, Vox. Also, I don't expect the Judeo-Christ meme to retire any quicker than the Chuck Tingle imitations. Oh well. Good rhetoric is good rhetoric.

OpenID basementhomebrewer January 11, 2017 9:07 AM  

Honesty is where things really break down on this topic. I am lucky enough to have found a woman who is willing to be honest. Whenever she has an episode she later apologizes and admits she was being irrational. Furthermore, she usually doesn't have an episode to begin with because she realizes it when it starts happening and immediately apologizes. Most woman have been raised to be dishonest and never admit fault in anything they do because "their feelings are valid".

Blogger John rockwell January 11, 2017 9:11 AM  

I think the west had this problem for some time. Where man is figurehead and woman is real head:
https://gynocentrism.com/2013/09/19/petticoat-government-1702-2/

America seemed to have this problem for some time for at least 2 centuries:
https://gynocentrism.com/2013/09/04/gynarchy-in-america/



Blogger Bodichi January 11, 2017 9:13 AM  

If churches were not worried about the lease on the building, the after service catering, supporting young single women doing missionary service (finding HAWT foreign men to ave with their vaginas), baseball teams, parking lots, building additions, coffee shops, restaurants, praise band rock groups, and maintaining their 501c3 certifiaction, well, maybe just maybe them pastors might have the intestinal fortitude to say what needs to be said.

Blogger John rockwell January 11, 2017 9:14 AM  

Excerpt from ''Female Power, Influences, and Privileges'' Female power and privilege in 1835

https://gynocentrism.com/2014/08/17/female-power-influence-and-privileges-1835/

Blogger Richard Stone January 11, 2017 9:17 AM  

"I could get myself into a fit of the giggles just thinking about it."

I know he's on our side, but no man should ever write a sentence like this.

Blogger John rockwell January 11, 2017 9:19 AM  

More on petticoat government in America in 1896 by MaxO’Rell:
https://gynocentrism.com/2013/10/27/petticoat-government-1896/

Blogger Johnny January 11, 2017 9:21 AM  

Feminism is not about freedom from submission, it is about women switching to a new defender, the government.

And then there is good old Thelma and Louise. At times I feel like watching the movie again to see if my response is the same. When the two of them went over the cliff it surprised me and seemed like a non sequitur. The babes got pretty much what they wanted in the movie, free from male bondage, free to drive around in a convertible in what was actually a life of indulgence (no work day BS to put up with), and occasionally got to be mean to this or that man. And then we are to suppose that this was such a horrible life they had to end it. The rule seems to be - never satisfied, too much is not enough.

Anonymous BBGKB January 11, 2017 9:29 AM  

The reason for this reaction is that Satan hates women, and does not want them to have any pastoral care

Perhaps he simply understands women, that's why most women hate other womnen

-Judo Christ couldn't even stop the Puerto Rican airport moslem http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2017/01/airport-shooter-converted-islam-identified-aashiq-hammad-years-joining-army/

Anonymous Faceless January 11, 2017 9:34 AM  

@13

Remember John, we Bond villains only get three comments for our monologues and then Malwyn comes out. Good stuff, but you've covered it now.

Anonymous ThirdMonkey January 11, 2017 9:40 AM  

If you want your head to explode, or have a "fit of the giggles," go to the original post and read the comments. Snowflakes on parade. One career woman talks about the superiority of how her equalitarian household functions while at the same time lamenting the fact that her 30+ yr old daughter is still not married. MPAI indeed.

Anonymous The OASF January 11, 2017 9:41 AM  

@12 "I could get myself into a fit of the giggles just thinking about it."

That made me scratch my head as well.

"He wants them to have men in their lives who would rather lie than lead."

A truly profound statement that explains a lot. Many men who are befuddled by the behavior of the women around them, especially the women they may unfortunately have to work with or do business with, might wanna think about this one for a while. Also, links up nicely with my central controlling theory that feminism-is-suicide-is-genocide.

VD Land blog is en fuego already in 2017. Prise Judeo-Christ lol...

Blogger Richard Stone January 11, 2017 9:57 AM  

"maybe just maybe them pastors might have the intestinal fortitude to say what needs to be said."

It's not resources that's holding them back. They actually believe the feminist claptrap.

Blogger pyrrhus January 11, 2017 10:01 AM  

When women rule, your church/society/civilization are living on borrowed time.....

Blogger haus frau January 11, 2017 10:03 AM  

The lazy housewife issue is indefensible. If a wife stays home she does so with the purpose of pulling the domestic weight of the marriage. Ive quite a few women my age who stay home with one or two kids and their house looks like a dump. What do they do all day when their husbands are paying the bills? But they don't save any of the slack they cut for themselves for the husband. A stay at home wife has a full time job, unfortunately she is largely her own boss anymore and has no one to answer to.

Anonymous VFM#7916 January 11, 2017 10:04 AM  

The second verse is "Adams creation was flawed, for all things shall be his fault."

Blogger Nationalist Flicka January 11, 2017 10:04 AM  

I will tell you what I see here in middle to upper middle class suburban Phoenix. (and I just commented to my daughter the other day about it, "these women's lives suck" were my exact words)

I see women who work long hours. I never see the women. Rarely.

I see men who have cars that are always in the driveway, or they are at the gym during the day hours when I go or they are out washing their cars, doing the kid runs to and from school, etc. in the middle of the day, etc.

Granted not all of them obviously but enough of them that I notice. And I am talking just in my direct proximity.

I presume they work from home in some capacity. I hope, at least.

Whether the wives are bullies, who knows? I would be a raving miserable bitch too.



Blogger JP January 11, 2017 10:08 AM  

I had a friend who would start giggling about 5 seconds before he beat someone half to death. I wouldn't dare call him a pansy.

Blogger Rabbi B January 11, 2017 10:21 AM  

As for My people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them.
O My people! Those who lead you cause you to err, and destroy the way of your paths.” (cf. Isaiah 3)


This is how it is. Every. Single. Time.

Anonymous Avalanche January 11, 2017 10:33 AM  

@8 "Furthermore, she usually doesn't have an episode to begin with because she realizes it when it starts happening and immediately apologizes. Most woman have been raised to be dishonest and never admit fault in anything they do because "their feelings are valid"."

It's NOT dishonest,and their feelings ARE valid! However, it takes two to tango, and women didn't fall into this pit on their own!

When a person is hungry,and not sure if food will be found, that person becomes grasping and desperate and UNtrusting that there will ever be any more. (And ALWAYS focused on food: getting it, having, it, protecting it.) When a girl is raised that her (natural, normal, biological) feelings will be mocked and denied or ignored and rejected, she becomes desperate to get the comfort and support (and protection) she needs. (Biological / genetic: it's how we survived thousands of generations!)

Men who provide that comfort and support (and esp. protection) find that their woman ceases to be grasping of it... If a person is SURE that food will always be available, that person can cease to be always on guard, always on the hunt, always desperate to survive. If a woman KNOWS her man will protect and cherish her, she ceases to need constant reassurance of it. (The biological, not necessarily conscious, equation is: "If, woman, you are not provided for and protected by a strong man, the tiger will get you!")

In this pathological society: men are taught to disparage women's fear(s), and women are taught that NO ON WILL COME to their aid, (not even their husband)! So, men get pissed that women have turned desperate and grasping, and women have NO trust that they will survive. (If no one protects you from "the tiger", then EVERYone looks like a tiger!)

Oh, what a wonderful way to DESTROY our civilization we have been swamped by / buried in / surrounded by!
(And, we're back to: what are the young men here going to marry 14-yr-olds?! Even THEY are now grasping and untrusting!)

Anonymous Paul Willard January 11, 2017 10:33 AM  

Judeo-Cuckstians.

Blogger Bodichi January 11, 2017 10:35 AM  

@Avalanche

"Men who provide that comfort and support (and esp. protection) find that their woman ceases to be grasping of it"

HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHA

You sadist troll you. So precious.

Anonymous Avalanche January 11, 2017 10:42 AM  

@27 No, having counseled some hundred "young" (mostly late 20s and 30s) women (on how to get out from under the brainwashing!) ... and having found this true in my own life with my own husband, this is so. Perhaps it requires a certain base level of intelligence (on both sides) to be able to help the woman see this, but the gratitude of the young women was real.

Do you deny the analogy to food?! Why then refuse to consider the analogy to relationship?

Blogger Johnny January 11, 2017 10:43 AM  

@21 haus frau
@22 Nationalist Flicka

What I see of the previous generation of women, one might say the pre feminist raised class women, is that the lazy housewife is not common. Most of them keep the house in adequate or better shape.

The most common pattern is that the women takes the household over and is the de facto boss in the house, although she may not admit it even to herself. Her dominance arises not from authority but from being so much more intense about it that it is not worth the fight to have it otherwise, and the man gets the benefit of a properly maintained living space.

Helen Gurley Brown (spelling??) used to preach that the women could have it all, career and husband and family. In practice, "You can have it all," is closer to 'you can do it all'. Most men do not have an enthusiasm for the house, and if there is role reversal in that he doesn't work, the women ends up doing most of it. Which if you think of it is what happens with the single mother. Lacking generous government support or a truly indifferent housekeeper, the women ends up with two jobs at once. And she does not have the alleged career so much as a job.

Anonymous Avalanche January 11, 2017 10:45 AM  

@29 "women takes the household over and is the de facto boss in the house, although she may not admit it even to herself."

In the Navy, we referred to this as "CinC Household." (CinC = Commander in Chief))

Blogger Bodichi January 11, 2017 10:53 AM  

@Avalanche

Obvious Troll is Obvious

However I am going to glove my hand and touch the poop

@27 No, having counseled some hundred "young" (mostly late 20s and 30s) women (on how to get out from under the brainwashing!) ... and having found this true in my own life with my own husband, this is so. Perhaps it requires a certain base level of intelligence (on both sides) to be able to help the woman see this, but the gratitude of the young women was real.

This is an "Anecdote" The real data says women initiate 70% of divorce. EPIC FAIL TROLL. Go back under your bridge.

Blogger VD January 11, 2017 10:55 AM  

Obvious Troll is Obvious

Don't be stupid. She's not a troll.

Blogger Bodichi January 11, 2017 11:05 AM  

@Avalanche

When a girl is raised that her (natural, normal, biological) feelings will be mocked and denied or ignored and rejected, she becomes desperate to get the comfort and support (and protection) she needs. (Biological / genetic: it's how we survived thousands of generations!)

When has a woman raised in the last 40 years in the USA ever had her feelings mocked? They are treated like special snowflakes and their feelings are lauded, applauded, put on a pedestal and treated as holy writ.

OpenID basementhomebrewer January 11, 2017 11:10 AM  

Avalanche wrote:@8 "Furthermore, she usually doesn't have an episode to begin with because she realizes it when it starts happening and immediately apologizes. Most woman have been raised to be dishonest and never admit fault in anything they do because "their feelings are valid"."

It's NOT dishonest,and their feelings ARE valid! However, it takes two to tango, and women didn't fall into this pit on their own!



Never admitting a mistake or fault in a relationship is dishonest and destroys trust. Irrational fear, or as in the OT purposely conflating "some women" with "me as a woman" is wrong. If they can't admit that they were wrong there is no way to ever improve anything or move forward.

Blogger Nationalist Flicka January 11, 2017 11:16 AM  

**When has a woman raised in the last 40 years in the USA ever had her feelings mocked? **

See Oprah who built a billion dollar nest egg validating women's feelings.

OpenID basementhomebrewer January 11, 2017 11:23 AM  

Bodichi wrote:@Avalanche

When a girl is raised that her (natural, normal, biological) feelings will be mocked and denied or ignored and rejected, she becomes desperate to get the comfort and support (and protection) she needs. (Biological / genetic: it's how we survived thousands of generations!)

When has a woman raised in the last 40 years in the USA ever had her feelings mocked? They are treated like special snowflakes and their feelings are lauded, applauded, put on a pedestal and treated as holy writ.


To add to the point, when your feelings are based on a lie they are absolutely invalid.

If I told you, your husband is cheating on you, and you then get angry at him that is a invalid feeling because I lied to you and he is in now way deserving of your anger.

Your feeling was a valid response to believing he was cheating on you, but it is, in fact, invalid because he isn't cheating on you. The appropriate response to the revelation that he wasn't cheating on you would be to apologize to him and say "sorry, I thought you were because Bhomebrewer told me that and I should have investigated more before becoming angry." The correct response is not "I had a right to be angry because I thought you were cheating on me so screw you."

Anonymous Jack Amok January 11, 2017 11:24 AM  

There is no spoon, or in this case, no cake.

Actually, there is a spoon, and a cake. It's called civilization. Or at least "the gene pool." I'm not copacetic with morons driving the gene pool over a cliff.

Blogger modsquad January 11, 2017 11:45 AM  

Actually, there is a spoon, and a cake. It's called civilization. Or at least "the gene pool." I'm not copacetic with morons driving the gene pool over a cliff.

Civilizations have been falling for millennia and morons have been forever driving the gene pool over cliffs; it's what removes morons from the gene pool.

It's all a game. It's always been a game and you play it until you're bored of it. When you're bored of it, there's other games to play. You're not a man with a soul, you're a soul pretending to be a man. The prize isn't an everlasting civilization (something which is unattainable through identity politics, not matter how often it's tried). Just as the hunter will abandon his own wife and children in times of starvation in order to preserve himself, the soul will abandon its own human priorities when there's no truth to be found. The morons driving civilization over a cliff serves a greater purpose than removing the morons from our midst: they do it to wake you up.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 11, 2017 12:01 PM  

it's what removes morons from the gene pool.

Actually, it's MGTOW who remove themselves from the gene pool. The civilization that goes over the cliff takes the gene pool with it, and whatever's left at the bottom has to rebuild. The MGTOWs who bailed out up top are genetic dead ends. You can laugh at everybody suffering down at the bottom of the cliff, but after you die, it'll be their children who carry on.

Blogger Cail Corishev January 11, 2017 12:03 PM  

A "traditional Catholic" woman I know expressed it this way some years ago: "My husband is the head of our household, and he'd better be, if he knows what's good for him."

They're getting divorced now.

Blogger modsquad January 11, 2017 12:35 PM  

Actually, it's MGTOW who remove themselves from the gene pool.

I wasn't referring to MGTOWs.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft January 11, 2017 1:09 PM  

@25. I've personally experienced giggling when lifting an item so heavy that I was on the verge of not being able to remain standing with it.

I now take out-of-context giggling as a very clear sign that someone is at their utmost limit, either physically or psychologically.

Out of context giggling should scare the living daylights out of you.

@43. He's got a point though. There's definitely a "don't be a MGTOW, be a MAN point to be made. Really though, it removes both from the gene pool, because both are morons. The moron driving the gene pool over a cliff, and the moron not stopping him.

Blogger Escoffier January 11, 2017 1:12 PM  

Bodichi wrote:If churches were not worried about the lease on the building, the after service catering, supporting young single women doing missionary service (finding HAWT foreign men to ave with their vaginas), baseball teams, parking lots, building additions, coffee shops, restaurants, praise band rock groups, and maintaining their 501c3 certifiaction, well, maybe just maybe them pastors might have the intestinal fortitude to say what needs to be said.

This X1000! How about if we just followed the Scriptural model for Ekklesia? Too crazy?

Blogger Duke Norfolk January 11, 2017 1:26 PM  

Richard Stone wrote:"I could get myself into a fit of the giggles just thinking about it."

I know he's on our side, but no man should ever write a sentence like this.


Ain't that the truth. Made me cringe a bit. Goes to show how far the feminization has crept.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable January 11, 2017 1:55 PM  

I know he's on our side, but no man should ever write a sentence like this.

Don't make the guy an offender for a word! He's fathered three (white) children who produced 16 grandchildren.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Douglas_Wilson_(theologian)

Done his manly bit, I'd say, giggles or no.

I love Infogalactic.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 11, 2017 3:20 PM  

Avalanche wrote:In this pathological society: men are taught to disparage women's fear(s), and women are taught that NO ON WILL COME to their aid, (not even their husband)!
Absolutely false. Men are trained from earliest infancy, enforced by all the power of society, the Church and the State, NEVER to mock, denigrate, or ignore women's feelings EVER.
Women, on the other hand, are taught from childhood that their feelings are more important than reality and should always be catered to. If they are not, she should raise holy hell and destroy anyone and anything standing in the way of her emotional validation.
You must live in a different country than I do.

Blogger Happy LP9 January 11, 2017 4:13 PM  

Women do not belong in any leadership or any authority over men in church or overall unless its mother and son or perhaps an daughter with elderly mother. Perhaps in teaching/homeschooling...

Here, we know facts override feelings, baby Nero (my Milo) talks about this a great deal so has everyone else. Feelings are important but hold pple down and hold them back, feelings are important but too much feelz, too much empathy is foolish. Feelings in fact, lead to major illnesses (just like the fork), I like to go on objective observation mode when faced with issues.

Women (good ole LP) was pulled aside and saved from wrong headed thinking, I am beyond grateful, let us women be open to being called on the carpet for stupidity, errors, issues, etc., to reject correction is to reject wisdom, to reject a better, higher way to think xyz or do xyz all as a solution NOT an insult or sneer or snark or neg but to help women.

Now if us ladies can keep the men working out and staying fit for their own health!

OpenID rufusdog January 11, 2017 4:33 PM  

The only robustly masculine preachers I can think of are black. Almost all the white preachers I’ve known over the years are…introverted, dorky, thoughtful, academic sort of men, John Piper like I suppose. Always seemed to me that a certain personality type was drawn to ministry.

I’ve told my oldest that the one thing he must get right is marrying well, marry a good women, he must not screw that up. I then point to some of the crazier women we know, pointing out how miserable it would be to have to live with someone like that.

Love Jesus, be tough, and marry well.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 11, 2017 4:34 PM  

@basementhomebrewer
"as in the OT purposely conflating "some women" with "me as a woman" is wrong"

I'm not sure where you get the "purposely" part from. The near-solipsistic conflation of "some women," or of any statement that might possibly be relevant to females, with "me personally," seems to operate at a subconscious level in many women.

Blogger Happy LP9 January 11, 2017 6:12 PM  

What a wonderful post into the 11th day of 2017!


Another issue that Roy Masters talk about is the Eve Matter, men cannot be cajoled into womens' beauty but to ignore her beauty, remain objective and investigate is the women is a good choice or not? I acknowledge women are not dumb or stupid but its our lady fallen nature that needs a man to guide us and love us the hell out of us.

A common traditional view that a woman me) does NOT leave her fathers care until a husbands arrives. Ladies, the men run the church as our leaders, we can tell others of Christ's love but we must or its best to go from our fathers care into our husbands care - its just best that way. Sure I know. not all issues are like that but its best for her safety, celibacy and fertility.

OT: Anyone whom insults my group to SP, to Milo etc., will be ignored at Gab. They are free to speak and slander whatever but I will ignore them in order to document their patterns of dysfunction.

Blogger Happy LP9 January 11, 2017 6:13 PM  

Edit; SP is Spacebunny. Dear Lord, I'm going to go lay down!!! This post uplifted me and validated my upbringing.

Blogger Natalie January 11, 2017 6:37 PM  

I think I sort of get what Avalanche is saying.

Women and emotions today are like a kid being spoiled on candy and starved on hugs. On one hand all girls are pretty, but it's hard to find people (at least among my FB moms) who are willing to address beauty seriously and practically. There was a blog post that went around and drove me up the wall - basically it was a mom who said that when her daughter was upset about her legs she'd talk about how well her legs worked and never give practical advice on flattering pants/skirt/etc.

Ditto so many other areas of women's lives. We're told we're strong we're vulnerable, safe when we're in danger, fulfilled when we're lonely, etc. So yeah, some women get out of that "let them eat cake" environment and are grateful, and some become raging bitches if you cut off their supply of cake.

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Blogger Bodichi January 11, 2017 6:43 PM  

@Natalie

"Women and emotions today are like a kid being spoiled on candy and starved on hugs"

Nice story but wrong. You are rebuilding the mound. If you don't get the reference go to dalrock and learn about what you are doing.

Spoiled on Candy, hugs, encouragement, ribbons, outright ridiculous fantasies. Let them eat cake? Their entire world is cake. No human in the history of Earth has ever had it quite as easy as white women in the USA.

Proverbs 13:24 "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes."

Guess you figured the rod only applied to sons right?

Anonymous Avalanche January 11, 2017 8:13 PM  

@51 “The near-solipsistic conflation of "some women," or of any statement that might possibly be relevant to females, with "me personally," seems to operate at a subconscious level in many women.”

Thank you for this. After my last (unsuccessful) attempt (some threads back) to explain my view of “modern” men and women (when I relinquished the field after causing some the men to get angry/upset or both); I spent a good deal of time considering the two apparent major objections. First, and more easily answered, that: “just like a woman” I had “made it all about me.” In my case, not subconscious but probably innate to women.

My late husband and I discussed ways he would have preferred I behaved (and I tried very hard to meet his desires!). (Alas. He wanted a Southern woman; I was raised -- less than optimally – on Long Island by what he ruefully teased was a gypsy sorority -- including my late father!) (Yes, yes, I know – talking about myself again.... Here’s my point!) He would state his overarching principle; e.g., he wanted “ladylike behavior.” I would then struggle mightily to try to figure out just what specific behaviors her intended to be included under that principle. (I had never even MET a Southern lady – and Northern “ladies” sure behaved differently!)

For him -- for most men it seems -- the general principle is enough to guide behavior. My impression (from my own confusion with my husband and) the questions and confusion of the young women I counseled, is women start from the specific case, to work upwards (when they can?) to the general principle. And when they hear a general principle, they try to see how it will affect their own situation or the situation(s) of people they love.

As Dave Barry wisely writes: “If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base.” The overarching principle, the thing men’s honor requires them to follow regardless, doesn’t always make sense to women. (And, importantly from the women’s side: doesn’t always take into account the actual ‘specific’ life of the/an individual woman!)

Lots of the objectors to the earlier thread said that women without a male to provide (e.g., my husband dying at 60, and me having to take up and run “his” manufacturing co.) could live on sufferance in, say, a church barracks or otherwise fall to charity-ward type situations. I would ask these men: look at your wife, daughter, sister, mother -- is that an ‘end’ you would want them to fall to? Your overarching principle does not (apparently) consider the ‘specific case’; women seem to work in the other direction.

Anonymous Avalanche January 11, 2017 8:13 PM  


Second, and it may follow from the first: “the positions I was discussing are liberal/feminist ones.” It may be that I was/am presenting my intended point unclearly ( or with too much detail, which we all agree men neither like nor often need). (I am hesitant – seemingly wisely – to participate with long messages here; intending not to trespass on my host’s kindness or appear to be a troll (and deep thanks, Vox, for your defense).
Is it a liberal feminist position to ask: “what about me?” When my husband lived, I was a kept wife – and grateful and happy to be so.

(Here’s another example from the specific leading up toward the general: some years ago, when Michael mowed the lawn in Georgia’s horrific heat and humidity, I would come out every half hour or so with ice water and some paper towels for him. The neighbor’s teen, also out suffering over a mower, asked just HOW he “managed” to get me to do that?! I said: “he takes such good care of me; he provides, protects, and cherishes –and I am always, continually, and consciously grateful to him! If you treat your wife so, she will learn gratitude too!” My overarching principle that I hope will offer hope to young men surveying the seemingly hopeless pool of potential wives is that SOME of these women can be recovered to reality, to themselves, to the right way to live. Otherwise? Are they going to try to marry 14-yr-olds?)

(And Natalie in @54 has it!)

@56 “Spoiled on Candy, hugs, encouragement, ribbons, outright ridiculous fantasies. Let them eat cake? Their entire world is cake. No human in the history of Earth has ever had it quite as easy as white women in the USA.”

And Bodichi? You sound jealous. Are you angry because you’re jealous, or because you’ve never spoken seriously to a woman and gotten to know her under her defenses?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 11, 2017 8:20 PM  

I said: “he takes such good care of me; he provides, protects, and cherishes –and I am always, continually, and consciously grateful to him! If you treat your wife so, she will learn gratitude too!”

Most women will learn that they are to be served, as is their absolute right, and he'd better get than damned lawn mowed.

Seriously, have you ever met an American woman?

Blogger VD January 11, 2017 8:21 PM  

My impression (from my own confusion with my husband and) the questions and confusion of the young women I counseled, is women start from the specific case, to work upwards (when they can?) to the general principle. And when they hear a general principle, they try to see how it will affect their own situation or the situation(s) of people they love.

That's called "solipsism". She wants to make it all about herself, and her situation, and define the general principles from that.

It's a counterproductive approach.

Blogger VD January 11, 2017 8:21 PM  

My impression (from my own confusion with my husband and) the questions and confusion of the young women I counseled, is women start from the specific case, to work upwards (when they can?) to the general principle. And when they hear a general principle, they try to see how it will affect their own situation or the situation(s) of people they love.

That's called "solipsism". She wants to make it all about herself, and her situation, and define the general principles from that.

It's a counterproductive approach.

Blogger Michael Maier January 11, 2017 8:24 PM  

basementhomebrewer wrote:Honesty is where things really break down on this topic. I am lucky enough to have found a woman who is willing to be honest. Whenever she has an episode she later apologizes and admits she was being irrational. Furthermore, she usually doesn't have an episode to begin with because she realizes it when it starts happening and immediately apologizes. Most woman have been raised to be dishonest and never admit fault in anything they do because "their feelings are valid".

That's a good point. My feelings of wanting to slap a bitch for being irrational are just as "valid" as hers for being so.

Anonymous Avalanche January 11, 2017 8:41 PM  

@59 "Seriously, have you ever met an American woman?"

Uh. I are one?

Anonymous Avalanche January 11, 2017 8:43 PM  

@60 "That's called "solipsism". She wants to make it all about herself, and her situation, and define the general principles from that.

It's a counterproductive approach."

Thank you Vox, I will research/consider further.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 11, 2017 8:45 PM  

@58 Avalanche
And Bodichi? You sound jealous. Are you angry because you’re jealous, or because you’ve never spoken seriously to a woman and gotten to know her under her defenses?

Yeah, ok, Not All Women Are Like That. So new.
Or it just might be he knows more about American women under the age of 60 than you do.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 11, 2017 9:17 PM  

Avalanche wrote:@59 "Seriously, have you ever met an American woman?"

Uh. I are one?

You were giving that young man incredibly bad advice, "Do these things to serve your woman and she will be grateful and treat you well."
About 80% of women will simply take it as their due, never even consider the effects of their own behavior on a man. It will never occur to them to be grateful of all things, to a man for taking care of them.
The vast majority of women are selfish, self-centered and solopcistic. Feminism only makes it much much worse.

Your advice to him should have been "Get yourself a woman who is sweet, kind, affectionate and appreciative, and you can live as well as my husband."

Anonymous Anonymous January 11, 2017 10:23 PM  

https://insanitybytes2.wordpress.com/2017/01/11/pastor-wilson-about-radicalizing-young-men/

Anonymous Camilla Cameo January 11, 2017 10:43 PM  

Anything said along these lines will be immediately translated into an “attack on all women.”

"Women take everything personally."
"Well *I* don't!"

When I started commenting here, I continually had to repeat to myself: don't take things personally. It's a besetting fault of women. Being here has helped me with it, I think, for which I am grateful.

An aside: I'm also currently very grateful for SJWAL, being currently under my first SJW attack, on tumblr. Why the hell are you on tumblr!- yes, I know, but as a freelance artist it was the place to be. Anyway, had I not read SJWAL, I would have thought I should be civil, even apologetic, and felt devastated. As it is, I'm not backing down and feel fine.

Back to the matter at hand: women have been coddled, given unfair material advantages, and told that their every feeling must be affirmed and validated. But they've also been strongly instilled with the despair-inducing fear that every man is their enemy and will rape them if possible, and the hope of a happy home and children has almost entirely been taken away. They haven't been taught how to find a good man or how to keep a good home. They've been indoctrinated to give their bodies to lowlife negroes and live as welfare sucklings, and abandoned to Muslim hordes that actually will rape them by the same government that made them its chattel. Under feminism, a despicable, ambitious woman can live high on the hog of corporate favoritism and gold-digging divorce rape. But an honest, unassuming woman is left somewhat high and dry. Feminism is a plague that has caused both sexes untold suffering.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 11, 2017 11:20 PM  

@67 Camille
When I started commenting here, I continually had to repeat to myself: don't take things personally. It's a besetting fault of women

Huh. It's also a known feature of gamma males. Go figure.
Wonder how much of gammatude is just low T?

Blogger Happy LP9 January 12, 2017 2:14 AM  

My gammatudes are low T but I am compassion for them until I am stalked, laughs.

Female solipsism, hyper esotrogenic states, hyper feelings even mania to feminism gotta go. No good for men or women. Destroying America but genx and mil lens will not tolerate alot of the SJW/feminism narratives.

When I stated about "loving the hell out of the girl and eventual wife," I meant that man cannot give into Eve's feelings on shifting sands, he must be the leader, she must follow him, love and encourage him, he must help her level up her thinking in that a man cannot benefit from giving into the Eve matter, he has to realize she is fallen and requires much. Also its dyscivic, to borrow Vox's term, to not understand marriage is survival and NEVER a walk in park to love one another, life is life, its not easy or perfect but damn it, you work it out and move on.

Anonymous Avalanche January 12, 2017 9:26 AM  

@66 "Your advice to him should have been 'Get yourself a woman who is sweet, kind, affectionate and appreciative, and you can live as well as my husband.'"

Ah, perhaps I am, indeed, trying to explain my point the wrong way? My hope is to GIVE hope to the (rightly) angry young men who do not see the possibility of a grateful woman coming out of today's damaged pool. It is surely the case that everything in our modern world is intended to (and is very successful at it) destroy women's natural desire to 'belong' to (and yes, 'submit' to) a good man.

WHERE is today's 25-yr-old man to look to FIND "a woman who is sweet, kind, affectionate and appreciative"? Even most church-going, true Christian women seem to have been contaminated by our foreign overlords' program for destruction.

If every 'pool' around you is contaminated, but you really really need a drink, then advice on how to DECONTAMINATE water (as I wrote about in my years-ago StormFront essay "How to Awaken a Woman") -- or how to find the rare clear pool -- seems useful. But, as my husband used to remind me (here's self-directed frustration again -- cause: solipsism?): "Don't help unless you're asked." I was not asked (despite young men's pain calling out to me). I will stop.

Blogger Bodichi January 12, 2017 9:30 AM  

@70

"Don't help unless you're asked." I was not asked (despite young men's pain calling out to me). I will stop."

This is the correct response. There is no advice a woman can give to a man that will help him romantically. Ever.

Also this. 1 TIM 2:12

"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. "

Blogger Happy LP9 January 12, 2017 5:42 PM  

61 American Women have never been so snark-cist and narcissistic in that after the 1960's and into the time when the Church did away with the old fashioned wedding vows is when marriage/family imploded. Those modern wedding vows or writing your own vows (are an abomination but seemingly cute) play 2nd fiddle or 2nd stage to the real needs of men. Us ladies sign up for marriage and its marriage with all its issues - relax your bf or husband not stress them out.

71 There is nothing wrong with taking a vow of silence to pray, fast, etc., but without mentioning it

Blogger Pteronarcyd January 12, 2017 9:57 PM  

Bob wrote:
"Is that sarcasm?"

Either that or the cornerstone of the Cuckservative Manifesto.

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