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Friday, January 27, 2017

The Melting Pot is no paradise

As evil is wont to do, they even warned you with their symbolism from the start. Does it look as if anything good is going to come out of that witch's cauldron? The concept of "The Melting Pot" is an overtly anti-American, overtly anti-Christian lie straight from the Pit of Hell.

Every. Single. Time.

I very much doubt any of those who romanticize the lie and brazenly declare that U.S. citizens born in Portugal and Somalia are realer Americans than the posterity of the Founders have ever actually read the play itself. I highly encourage you to do so, particularly if you believe in America the Melting Pot or think you subscribe to Judeo-Christian values. Guess what the play is really about? This exchange begins with the FIFTH line of the dialogue.

FRAU QUIXANO Wos schreist du? Gott in Himmel, dieses Amerika!_

KATHLEEN What's that ye're afther jabberin' about America? If ye don't like God's own counthry, sure ye can go back to your own Jerusalem, so ye can.

MENDEL One's very servants are anti-Semites.

KATHLEEN Bad luck to me, if iver I take sarvice again with haythen Jews. Och, I thought ye was out!

MENDEL And so you dared to be rude to my mother.

KATHLEEN She said I put mate on a butther-plate.

MENDEL Well, you know that's against her religion.

KATHLEEN But I didn't do nothing of the soort. I ounly put butther on a mate-plate.

MENDEL That's just as bad. What the Bible forbids----

KATHLEEN Sure, the Pope himself couldn't remimber it all. Why don't ye have a sinsible religion?

MENDEL You are impertinent. Attend to your work.

KATHLEEN And isn't it laying the Sabbath cloth I am?

MENDEL Don't answer me back.

How quintessentially turn-of-the-century American....  Here is how it ends, with the Christian Vera rejecting her Christian father, who has massacred Jews in Russia for the Tsar, in favor of the universalist vision of the Jew, David.

DAVID It is the fires of God round His Crucible. There she lies, the great Melting Pot--listen! Can't you hear the roaring and the bubbling? There gapes her mouth--the harbour where a thousand mammoth feeders come from the ends of the world to pour in their human freight. Ah, what a stirring and a seething! Celt and Latin, Slav and Teuton, Greek and Syrian,--black and
yellow----

VERA Jew and Gentile----

DAVID Yes, East and West, and North and South, the palm and the pine, the pole and the equator, the crescent and the cross--how the great Alchemist melts and fuses them with his purging flame! Here shall they all unite to build the Republic of Man and the Kingdom of God. Ah, Vera, what is the glory of Rome and Jerusalem where all nations and races come to worship and look back, compared with the glory of America, where all races and nations come to labour and look forward!

The Melting Pot is the very anti-Christian globalist vision of New Babel and the One World Order that conservatives claim to violently oppose. It is the United Nations, the European Union, NATO, NAFTA, and the Trans-Pacific Partnership. It is Somalis in Minneapolis, Liberians in Coon Rapids and Mexicans in Des Moines. It is Tikkun Olem and Heal the World and Judeo-Christ.

America is not, and never was intended to be, a place for "all races and nations". To claim that it is, or was, is a direct attack on the identity, legitimacy, and existence of the American people. The Constitution was not written for Universal Man, it was written to secure the liberties of Englishmen living on the American continent and no one else, not even their "British brethren" back in England.

Open your eyes. Stop believing the lies. Yes, the truth can be hard and bitter at times. What of it? Did Jesus Christ promise us a wide and easy stroll on which everyone would applaud and admire us?

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Anonymous Just another commenter January 27, 2017 1:10 PM  

If a million white Americans headed for Africa, set up a town (or took over existing buildings), demanded our ways be respected, demanded they pay us to be there, and created no-go sectors where locals were not permitted, it would rightfully be opposed and the whites would be colonists.

So, when thousands of Africans move into a western nation, take over a section of town and make it a no-go territory, demand welfare support and all, they'd be....?

But I'm not racist. We should just end all welfare and economic subsidies to anyone who chooses poorly or is a parasite to the system. It would allow the problem to sort itself out.

Anonymous Damn Crackers January 27, 2017 1:14 PM  

Good God...

That cover appears to be souls descending into Hades.

Any thoughts on this speech?

http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2017/01/26/milo-white-nationalism-is-not-the-answer/

Anonymous Hundred January 27, 2017 1:14 PM  

Such a large amount of white Americans are the dependents of non-Anglo Europeans. Is there any place for them in the Alt-Right America, or will there have to be another nation for those who are not the true posterity of the Founders?

Blogger Nick S January 27, 2017 1:16 PM  

Can the precepts set out in the 16 points be supported with specific rallying points of scripture? That would be handy.

Blogger VD January 27, 2017 1:17 PM  

Any thoughts on this speech?

Not really. Mike and Milo have always been civic nationalists. But denying identity is like denying gravity. It's futile.

Have you ever heard me say that the future lies with the Alt-Lite?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 27, 2017 1:18 PM  

Free my people

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus January 27, 2017 1:18 PM  

Question: If you are stirring up a batch of brownies, and you put a little dog s*** in the mix, and then bake it, you know what you have?

S***ty brownies.

THAT'S yer melting pot.

Blogger VD January 27, 2017 1:18 PM  

Is there any place for them in the Alt-Right America, or will there have to be another nation for those who are not the true posterity of the Founders?

I have no idea. It's not for me to decide where the lines will be drawn. I can only say that there is a very high probability that lines will be drawn. Precisely where, my guess is no better than anyone else's.

Blogger Robert What? January 27, 2017 1:24 PM  

@Vox, it is impractical to think that America will ever again be for the posterity of the Englishmen that settled it considering demographics and birth rates. We'd better accept that American born in Portugal you mentionec as a "true" American or we're just pissing into the wind. (Definitely not the one born in Somalia though). BTW - what about the American born in Holland? Didn't they settle America too?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 27, 2017 1:26 PM  

That ol' debil Blank Slate Theory working its dark arts upon the squishies.

Still no matter what alt or cuckiness or outright delusional cultist of the Left the offer still stands, I want proof of the BST's validity

Anonymous JI January 27, 2017 1:31 PM  

Liberians in Coon Rapids? Sounds appropriate, but I'm not familiar with Minnesota.

Blogger Bodo Staron January 27, 2017 1:32 PM  

I only knew the term but didn't know it's based on a play. That picture alone. Imagine you put just random ingredients in a pot, what will the outcome be? Something nasty.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Melting_pot
"The melting pot is a metaphor for a heterogeneous society becoming more homogeneous, the different elements "melting together" into a harmonious whole with a common culture."

Nice rhetoric.

Blogger Cail Corishev January 27, 2017 1:33 PM  

It's not for me to decide where the lines will be drawn.

I suspect that the sooner the lines are drawn, the wider and looser they can be. In other words, if we do it soon, maybe drawing the line at "1965 demographics" will be good enough. If we put it off and let the pressure keep building, we could see different tribes of whites turn against each other as well as against other other races. Imagine the mild bickering that goes on here about which whites are responsible for screwing things up, but multiplied by millions of people.

That conversation from the play is a good example of why the popes taught that Christians should not hire or work for Jews.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian January 27, 2017 1:35 PM  

Every. Single. Time.

Hey fellow goys, errr whites, let's talk about why white privileged, supremacist, heteronormative, patriarchal culture must be destroyed.

F'cking ever single time.

Anonymous fop January 27, 2017 1:36 PM  

How many remember this?

Che Che Kule,
Che Che Kofisa,
Kofi Salanga,
Kaka Kifasa,
Kum Adayde.

Blogger praetorian January 27, 2017 1:38 PM  

Immigration, usury (Say it, Keen! Say the word! Say the word you were born to say!), Hollywood, bolshevism, cultural marxism, neoconservatism...

You are coming to a sad realization. Cancel or allow?

Blogger VD January 27, 2017 1:38 PM  

Vox, it is impractical to think that America will ever again be for the posterity of the Englishmen that settled it considering demographics and birth rates.

Your very language indicates that you don't understand the issue. America IS the posterity of the Englishmen. The only question is what remnant of the USA will belong to them when the inevitable crack-up takes place.

The Real Americans from Portugal are irrelevant. They don't have a tribe, unless the civic nationalists somehow manage to form some sort of identity, which is a legitimate possibility.

Blogger Robert Coble January 27, 2017 1:40 PM  

The Melting Pot - the "passing through fire" of their children to Molech.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor January 27, 2017 1:42 PM  

Would be interesting to hear from dh on this about how people split into different groups and how quickly he saw that happen.

Blogger Fenris Wulf January 27, 2017 1:43 PM  

Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus wrote:Question: If you are stirring up a batch of brownies, and you put a little dog s*** in the mix, and then bake it, you know what you have?
OT, but I recently came across this clip from "The Help" and I couldn't believe they put something this vile into a mainstream film. Yeah, making whitey eat your shit is hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD9Ua7FuzyA

Anonymous VFM #6306 January 27, 2017 1:44 PM  

I remember as a little kid that I mistook the epithet to mean "a pot that is melting."

I didn't see an illustration of the concept until I saw it in a junior high textbook of foreigners being cooked in a pot.

His imagery sucks. It doesn't conjure anything but violence and death.

That (((dude))) had some awfully good pr for a playwright.

Anonymous VFM #6306 January 27, 2017 1:50 PM  

MENDEL [_Shrugging shoulders, hopelessly_]
It is only Jewish history!... David belongs to the species of _pogrom_
orphan--they arrive in the States by almost every ship.

VERA
Poor boy! Poor boy! And he looked so happy!
[_She half sobs._]

MENDEL
So he is, most of the time--a sunbeam took human shape when he was born.
But naturally that dreadful scene left a scar on his brain, as the
bullet left a scar on his shoulder, and he is always liable to see red
when Kishineff is mentioned.

VERA
I will never mention my miserable birthplace to him again.

Anonymous fop January 27, 2017 1:59 PM  

And yet - Zangwill was a very vocal territorialist when it came to his own people.

Blogger Makeshift January 27, 2017 2:02 PM  

Any advice for the unfortunately mixed?

Anonymous Bobby Farr January 27, 2017 2:05 PM  

We need a new heuristic to describe America's immigration reforms and those laws advocated by the alt right? The garbage bin? Something suggesting the goal of an emmigration system where anyone not of pre-1965 NW European descent or a slave or an Indian is continually excreted from the population.

Blogger pyrrhus January 27, 2017 2:08 PM  

The ultimate melting pot...EU plans to build "contemplation Temple" on moon..http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4162296/The-incredible-lunar-TEMPLE.html

Blogger Robert What? January 27, 2017 2:09 PM  

@Vox,

" America IS the posterity of the Englishmen."

Yes, an in a couple of generations from now, the last American of pure Anglo descent can keep telling everyone that.

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Anonymous Bobby Farr January 27, 2017 2:12 PM  

@9 An American born in Portugal? Unless you are talking about children of American tourists or expats, this person doesn't exist.

OpenID elijahrhodes January 27, 2017 2:12 PM  

Vox, I wish you would tell us how you really feel...

Anonymous BBigGayKoranBurner January 27, 2017 2:12 PM  

That looks more like the cannibal's pot

If a million white Americans headed for Africa, set up a town (or took over existing buildings), demanded our ways be respected, demanded they pay us to be there

What do you think happened when the breadbaskets of Africa Rhodesia & South Africa happened? The areas were sparsely populated & even thought as cursed land until whitey came and made nice things. The deepwater port of Johannesburg was considered even more undesirable land than the swampland whitey drained because tides couldn't be understood.

appears to be souls descending into Hades. Any thoughts on this speech?

Other than it would be like me giving a speech in defense of $5 home depot wetback BJs, note at the Bottom of the article "MILO wears glasses by Givenchy, $350. Distressed blue jeans by True Religion, $329. Brown leather belt...Louis Vuitton, $450...shirt by Brooks Brothers, $92...suit jacket by Angelino, $225...slippers by Crockett & Jones, $370"

Makes me wonder is someone is paying him Gay Alimony.

America will ever again be for the posterity of the Englishmen that settled it considering demographics and birth rates

We are at the point were there is not enough White posterity to support all of the non-Asian minorities in the manner they have gotten used to.

OpenID elijahrhodes January 27, 2017 2:14 PM  

p.s. I enjoyed the reference to Sarah Hoyt.

Anonymous Tipsy January 27, 2017 2:15 PM  

Damn Crackers wrote:Good God...

That cover appears to be souls descending into Hades.


That somehow brings to mind two things of which Mary spoke to the children of Fatima. Concerning politics: "If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world..." and concerning hell: "Plunged in this fire, we saw the demons and the souls [of the damned]. The latter were like transparent burning embers, all blackened or burnished bronze, having human forms. They were floating about in that conflagration, now raised into the air by the flames which issued from within themselves, together with great clouds of smoke."

I could add to that St. Teresa of Avila's vision of the damned: "“I saw souls falling into hell like snowflakes.”

Blogger VD January 27, 2017 2:20 PM  

Yes, an in a couple of generations from now, the last American of pure Anglo descent can keep telling everyone that.

And a couple generations from now, your 80-IQ descendants, who are totally Americans, will wonder what the Konstitushun was.

Blogger SteelPalm January 27, 2017 2:20 PM  

How very interesting, Vox! Did you read the entire play?

I should note that the blatant animus towards Jews by characters in the play is typical of a lot of early 20th century literature set in New York, and by white authors as well. For instance, there is the famously Jew-hating Edith Wharton's (who found herself an expatriate in France) The House of Mirth.

Incidentally, those pogroms by the Tsar you mentioned? That's why so many Jews, especially those immigrating to the US (most descendants of those from the Russian Empire) were such rabid leftists/socialists.

A huge mistake, obviously, but not obviously so at the time, before Lenin had even taken power.

Anonymous Anonymous January 27, 2017 2:21 PM  

I grew up in Ohio. I could argue that the Anglo classical liberal foundations of the country went to shit when eastern european and Catholic peasants flooded in. Look at a bunch of south side Clevelanders or Toledoites with surnames names like Wodka (vodka) if you want to see white dysgenics and cultural decline on display. After that, no way I can buy into white nationalism or notions of pan-European genetic superiority.

Blogger Doc Rampage January 27, 2017 2:22 PM  

Modern Americans aren't bound by the intentions of the founders, we are bound by the literal meaning of the words, as with any legal document.

Anonymous Tipsy January 27, 2017 2:28 PM  

Yes, the truth can be hard and bitter at times.

From the prophet Solzhenitsyn's Harvard 1978 address:

Harvard’s motto is “Veritas.” Many of you have already found out and others will find out in the course of their lives that truth eludes us as soon as our concentration begins to flag, all the while leaving the illusion that we are continuing to pursue it. This is the source of much discord. Also, truth seldom is sweet; it is almost invariably bitter. A measure of bitter truth is included in my speech today, but I offer it as a friend, not as an adversary. Three years ago in the United States I said certain things that were rejected and appeared unacceptable. Today, however, many people agree with what I then said.

Also:

A decline in courage may be the most striking feature that an outside observer notices in the West today. The Western world has lost its civic courage, both as a whole and separately, in each country, in each government, in each political party, and of course, in the United Nations. Such a decline in courage is particularly noticeable among the ruling and intellectual elites, causing an impression of a loss of courage by the entire society. There remain many courageous individuals, but they have no determining influence on public life. Political and intellectual functionaries exhibit this depression, passivity, and perplexity in their actions and in their statements, and even more so in their self-serving rationales as to how realistic, reasonable, and intellectually and even morally justified it is to base state policies on weakness and cowardice. And the decline in courage, at times attaining what could be termed a lack of manhood, is ironically emphasized by occasional outbursts of boldness and inflexibility on the part of those same functionaries when dealing with weak governments and with countries that lack support, or with doomed currents which clearly cannot offer any resistance. But they get tongue-tied and paralyzed when they deal with powerful
governments and threatening forces, with aggressors and international terrorists.

Must one point out that from ancient times a decline in courage has been considered the first symptom of the end?


To the last comment, I'll say this. One striking feature of Trump and his key advisors and cabinet members: They all have an ample measure of courage. It is probably the most masculine administration I've ever seen.

Blogger VD January 27, 2017 2:28 PM  

How very interesting, Vox! Did you read the entire play?

Yes.

Incidentally, those pogroms by the Tsar you mentioned? That's why so many Jews, especially those immigrating to the US (most descendants of those from the Russian Empire) were such rabid leftists/socialists.

I doubt that. Millions of Jews are still rabid leftists and socialists and the Tsar hasn't been around for 100 years. I suspect it has considerably more to do with them having been have-nots at the time. Have-nots reliably favor socialist distribution theories.

Socialism was always an obvious mistake given its reliance upon the labor theory of value. I spotted that when I was 13. One would think that a few million Jews could have managed the same.

Blogger Resident Moron™ January 27, 2017 2:31 PM  

According to God (some people claim to listen to him) it is Jerusalem that is to be "for all people",

Ironic aside.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 27, 2017 2:33 PM  

Doc Rampage wrote:Modern Americans aren't bound by the intentions of the founders, we are bound by the literal meaning of the words, as with any legal document.
If you want to argue intentionalism head over to Protein Wisdom. Jeff will be happy to waste your time, for days.
The short answer is that, both legally and morally, the meaning of the words is determined by the intention of the parties of the compact. As with any legal document. In this instance, the word "literal" is simply a noise added for emphasis. The meaning of words changes over time (c.f. "well-ordered" in the 2nd Amend).

Blogger SteelPalm January 27, 2017 2:39 PM  

Yes.

Did you like it, socialist message aside?

I doubt that. Millions of Jews are still rabid leftists and socialists and the Tsar hasn't been around for 100 years.

Only in the US, where they have had a vastly easier time of it than Jews in Europe or Israel. Jews in the latter two locations have rejected the leftist/socialism of their forefathers, since they have seen the evil inherent in it. Particularly in the form of the Soviet Union, where I was born.

This is why the old Labor Party of Ben-Gurion in Israel had to re-brand itself as the "Zionist Union" (SJWs always lie!) and still gets crushed by Likud, and is now even being surpassed by various third parties.

American Jews, almost half the world's Jews, by contrast, live in an idyllic bubble, seeing and experiencing nothing of this. Yes, incredibly, many still have the same beliefs as their ancestors 100 years ago.

Socialism was always an obvious mistake given its reliance upon the labor theory of value. I spotted that when I was 13. One would think that a few million Jews could have managed the same.

Yeah, I've never thought we were particularly smart in large groups.

Although of course there have been some genius individuals who were/are socialists, white and Jewish alike. Man is strange.

Blogger William Hughes January 27, 2017 2:40 PM  

Socialism also cannot compete with a market. A nation that uses a market system will provide a much higher standard of living to its people. It is an interesting correlation that various types of people cannot understand or benefit from a market system seem to fall back to a socialist system.

Blogger Ostar January 27, 2017 2:42 PM  

If we're alt-right, then these liberals/progressives are ctrl-left.

Anonymous NateM January 27, 2017 2:44 PM  

"Liberians in Coon Rapids"

Well that one seems to make sense...

Blogger Justin C January 27, 2017 2:44 PM  

I get that America was founded as an ethnically British- theologically Protestant nation. I also accept the fact that Irish Catholic immigrants and their political leanings didn't possess the concept of the rights of Englishmen.

I think a clarification needs to be made though that this is because they were Irish, not because they were Catholic. Here's why;

I have both William Brewster and Stephen Hopkins as Mayflower ancestors. They no doubt were Protestant Englishmen. However, all of their ancestors from their grandparents back for nearly a thousand years were Catholic.

When the Constitution was written, Britain had scarcely been Protestant for more than 200 years. Also keep in mind, that the puritan denomination of my mayflower ancestors, lasted no more than 4 or 5 generations before it abandoned what ever orthodoxy it possessed and turned into Unitarian Universalism, and liberal Congregationalism". The very church in Plymouth Massachusetts that claims historical and theological descent with the church that the Pilgrims started is a Unitarian Christ denying rainbow flag waiving sodomy approving abortion praising Church.

This is the case for all of the colonial protest churches that later became what is known as mainline Protestant churches. I disclose that the majority of my ancestors we Irish Catholics that came over in the 1840s. When they became the early 20th century democrats, it wasn't because of their belief in Real Presence in the Eucharist, but because the were weakly catechized and allowed to be manipulated by ((( Bolshevik))) organized labor operations.

The American public school system , as founded by a Unitarian socials Horace Mann from Massachusetts, had the sole aim of compulsory education to de Catholicize the immigrant Irish and other groups, and turn them into "broad minded" Protestant Americans. I think he largely succeeded. Except for me...Lex Oriandi, Lex Credendi Lex Vivendi

Blogger praetorian January 27, 2017 3:00 PM  

Modern Americans aren't bound by the intentions of the founders, we are bound by the literal meaning of the words, as with any legal document.

(kek)

Guys, guys... He thinks we are still falling for rule 4.

We read your book, Doc. God Emperor is the law now.

Anonymous ZhukovG January 27, 2017 3:09 PM  

Vox has the right of it. But I think it’s a little early in the fight to obsess over your own or someone else’s ancestry. We in the Alt-Right must concentrate on winning.

Winners aren’t the ones who get deported.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) January 27, 2017 3:16 PM  

28. Bobby Farr January 27, 2017 2:12 PM
An American born in Portugal? Unless you are talking about children of American tourists or expats, this person doesn't exist.



that's an offhand reference to Sarah Hoyt. who was born in Portugal but who married an American and moved here.

she told the world that she is "more American" than almost every Native Born.

she then proceeded to demonstrate that she has less than zero understanding of American culture, religion and Constitutional Law.

but, dagnabit, she FEELZ more American than me.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction January 27, 2017 3:31 PM  

Vox never necessitated one be pure English, your doing that. Look up what posterity means.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 27, 2017 3:35 PM  

Justin C wrote:When they became the early 20th century democrats, it wasn't because of their belief in Real Presence in the Eucharist, but because the were weakly catechized and allowed to be manipulated by ((( Bolshevik))) organized labor operations.
They became Democrats in the 19th century, before the Bolshies and (((Socialists))) even got here. They became Democrats because;
1) Democrats were anti-Black
2) GOP was pro-Black and anti-Catholic
3) Democrats were the conservative party
4) the Irish like working for the government and the big city governments, where they all lived, were controlled by democrats.
5) the Irish controlled the gambling and prostitution businesses, and were pretty comfortable with political corruption. The GOP was always blathering on about reform and cleaning up the town.
In short, the reasons the Irish became and largely to this day remain Democrats are cultural. It's only the conservatively religious that have become Republicans.
And the labor movement was a direct and real boon to the working class Irish. Nothing to do with manipulation, and everything to do with net income and, more importantly security.

Blogger tz January 27, 2017 3:52 PM  

Pat Buchanan

I think the line will be both space and time. I don't know the space, but the time will be 1955-1960.

If you don't wish to live in a patriotic Ozzy and Harriet, Leave it to Beaver, updated and revised, then you will have to leave by deportation, secession or worse.

There won't be the petty, racist Jim Crow, but it will be both better and worse. Better as it will be equal and more comprehensive and accurage, and worse as it will be more brutal. (Not that I'd approve, only that it will happen).

Civil War 2 is on. Blue and Red this time. The Blue side is the weaker on all levels. And the blue depends on the red. You don't need Sherman, just cut off power and EBT cards to the blue areas and they will burn themselves.

@37 You don't see things that will lower your income.
Socialism was always an obvious mistake given its reliance upon the labor theory of value. I spotted that when I was 13. One would think that a few million Jews could have managed the same.

Blogger Justin C January 27, 2017 3:59 PM  

Snidley Wiplash wrote " And the labor movement was a direct and real boon to the working class Irish" This is what I meant by manipulation.

Either way the comentary stands, it is related to Irish economic position as a group that caused them to be a problem to the american polity, not their adhereance to Catholicism

Blogger Jed Mask January 27, 2017 4:08 PM  

Yikes!

The pot's boilin' ova!

Need somebody in the kitchen to know what they doin' lol. Amen!

~ Bro. Jed

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 27, 2017 4:17 PM  

Justin C wrote:This is what I meant by manipulation.

So, somebody voting for their own economic benefit is being manipulated? Dude, that's a stretch.

Blogger Justin C January 27, 2017 4:19 PM  

Slightly OT but what does being British mean in terms of the founding population? The act of Union in 1801 created the United kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, but I guess before 1801 the Irish could be considered not British subjects?

The Penal laws didn't apply to the non Catholic minority in Ireland. Technically you could convert to Anglicanism, and become a member of Parliament. I don't really care Im not trying to say the Irish should be included in being considered American, I know they're not. A great deal of harm was done to American politics by their coming here.

Blogger Justin C January 27, 2017 4:21 PM  

Snidley whiplash wrote " So, somebody voting for their own economic benefit is being manipulated? Dude, that's a stretch.

Not really

Blogger Justin C January 27, 2017 4:25 PM  

Snidley Whiplash also wrote "It's only the conservatively religious that have become Republicans"

There is no conservative Catholic or liberal Catholic. There's orthodox, heterodox, and heritic

Anonymous Sam thre Man January 27, 2017 4:26 PM  

A comment on utopian socialists in general:

I have observed that the bright children of professionals who do not go into challenging occupations such as engineering and sciences seem to be seduced by socialist/leftist dreams. The sons of businessmen who try to make a buck honestly,and the up and comers from the working class, not so much. The well to do daughters of all hard working folks who made it and grow up in a comfortable life: they want some on to take care of them, yes overwhelmingly socialist on some level, though they see their particular world view being in charge of it.

This applies to Jews and Gentiles alike, at least in my observation.

I have seen the split in families and it seems to essentially follow: Does the person fundamentally take responsibility for themselves, or do they want a big daddy to be out their to take care of them.

Blogger Roger G2 January 27, 2017 5:07 PM  

I'm guessing the ranks of the AltRight have experienced some considerable swelling over this past month.
The events of only the past week have been just enough to make the blood boil for many who happen to love their country and take exception to those who would replace it with a garbage dump.
I was just reading in another post here that pretty much any talk of multiculturalism is a direct slap in the face of the Americans and our forefathers who built this country, an assault on our very identity if you will.
I'm playing loosely with the terms and not quoting directly of course, but I agree with the notion 100%.

Anonymous Henry Havelock January 27, 2017 5:11 PM  

@54

The Act of Union of 1801 created the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Ireland. And the Act of Union of 1707 created the United Kingdom of Great Britain. The second Act expanded the territory of the state created by the first Act.

The three realms - England, Ireland, and Scotland - had been in personal union since the ascension of James I (James VI of Scotland) to the throne of all three in 1603. The King of England had been King of Ireland since 1542.

Blogger Wild Olive January 27, 2017 5:17 PM  

The tower of Babel centralization of the late 19th century centered around political power, Civil War and rejection of Christianity, Darwinism. The goal has always been the Marxist dream of a monoculture controlled by a global elite, who make themselves gods.

Blogger Montrose January 27, 2017 5:26 PM  

Socialism was always only a way to destroy gentle society and make it more... inclusive, let's say.

Anonymous Henry Havelock January 27, 2017 5:29 PM  

@54

I should add as well that 'Britain' has referred to all the isles for the entire history of its usage (c. 2400 years in writing), with the exception of Irish nationalists after 1922.

The Irish started arriving in numbers America at around the same time that Irish nationalists began constructing an 'Irish' identity that was explicitly Catholic and "Celtic." This process was complete by the early 20th century. Padraig Pearse (Catholic, 'Celtic') and James Connolly (Socialist) were the two 1916 leaders that embody the two main traditions of modern Irish nationalism. The socialist tradition lost out in post-1922 Ireland but remained part of the fabric of nationalism in Northern Ireland.

Wolfe Tone (1798 Rebellion) and Charles Stewart Parnell (Nationalist leader c. 1890s) were both Protestants, and nationalism had a strong Presbyterian character before that time. Many nationalist leaders were Protestant landowners who wanted their own Parliament restored.

The various national cultures of the British Isles are significantly more similar to each other than they are to anywhere else. Ireland is more of an outlier, with stronger extended families and higher religiosity although this is fading. The political culture in Ireland is actually broadly centre-right. The two main parties that have alternated in power since the Free State are both centre-right, and the joke is always that they differ only on which side they took on the 1922 Treaty that ended the Anglo-Irish War. And that's not too far from the truth.

Genetically the Irish are, like all the peoples of the British Isles, descended in the most part from Paleolithic people emerging from the Iberian refuge at the end of the Last Glacial Maximum in 15,000 B.C. They have generally lower contribution from later admixture, although populations with similar levels of remaining Paleolithic input are found in North Wales and Cornwall.

Anonymous Henry Havelock January 27, 2017 5:34 PM  

@54

Oh - and Presbyterians were also targeted by the Penal Laws. Hence why they were a big part of early nationalism. I'll stop now.

Blogger liberranter January 27, 2017 5:34 PM  

If a million white Americans headed for Africa, set up a town (or took over existing buildings), demanded our ways be respected, demanded they pay us to be there, and created no-go sectors where locals were not permitted, it would rightfully be opposed and the whites would be colonists.

The inmates of that diseased, dyscivilizational shithole of a continent should be so lucky as be blessed by white Americans benevolent enough to do such a thing. Fortunately, white Americans have better things to do with their time and treasure.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor January 27, 2017 5:34 PM  

Genetically, English and Germans aren't that different.

Your Regional Ancestry: Reference Populations

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 27, 2017 5:40 PM  

The various national cultures of the British Isles are significantly more similar to each other than they are to anywhere else. Ireland is more of an outlier, with stronger extended families and higher religiosity although this is fading

See: Hajnal Line. Ireland was outside of it, along with upland Scotland, and southern Italy. The Irish and Sicilians are not English, and have never really understood what the Rights of Englishmen are all about, except some intellectually.

Blogger SteelPalm January 27, 2017 5:43 PM  

@61

Socialism was always only a way to destroy gentle society and make it more... inclusive, let's say.

I highly doubt this. Socialism was started by white Frenchman in the early 1800s like Charles Fourier and Henri Saint-Simon.

I'm not an enormous expert on either man's biography, but from what I have read of their work, I highly doubt that was their intention.

Anonymous PinochetsChopperPilot January 27, 2017 6:00 PM  

Damn, we are right.on.schedule. If we can get Ellison in at DNC and this "black" chick to run as prez (from California no less)...Ivanka could possibly be running everything in 2024.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-for-california-a-return-to-center-1485541242-htmlstory.html

They would absolutely DESTROY the alt.right...in California..with all it's electoral votes and population centers. We'd have zero chance of winning NYC, CA and Chicago---for realz guys.





Anonymous Henry Havelock January 27, 2017 6:13 PM  

@66

Actually, Hajnal's research didn't have a line around Ireland. Medical studies of cosanguinity in European populations actually put the Irish as well within northwest European norms. See this table of findings: http://consang.net/images/6/6a/Europe.pdf

Many studies have shown a lower average IQ in Ireland than the rest of the British Isles, and tried to fit this to a narrative about cosanguineous marriage. I think it's much more likely to be as a result of very serious "brain drain" selection pressures. It is, after all, the only country with a lower population today than it had in the 19th century. It experienced net outward migration every year from the early 19th century until the start of the 21st.

Yes, Ireland has a less individualistic culture than England. England is an extreme outlier in this category. But it is still significantly more individualistic than, say, Austria or Germany.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 27, 2017 6:29 PM  

Did Jesus Christ promise us a wide and easy stroll on which everyone would applaud and admire us?
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Judeo Christ did !

Blogger Were-Puppy January 27, 2017 6:33 PM  

@11 JI
Liberians in Coon Rapids? Sounds appropriate, but I'm not familiar with Minnesota.
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Wasn't the trip to Liberia a one way trip?

Anonymous Henry Havelock January 27, 2017 6:35 PM  

@66

I should add... 30% of the population of Australia are of partial Irish ancestry. They contributed more to the founding settler populations of Australia than they did to the USA. And Australia is #2 on the Geert Hofstede's Individualism Index (http://www.clearlycultural.com/geert-hofstede-cultural-dimensions/individualism/). USA is #1 and UK is #3, with a substantial drop and the Netherlands at #4. So the Irish were very much able to understand the Rights of Englishmen in another colonial setting. Their association with centre-left politics is something unique to the Irish-American experience.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 27, 2017 6:37 PM  

@15 fop
How many remember this?

Che Che Kule,
Che Che Kofisa,
Kofi Salanga,
Kaka Kifasa,
Kum Adayde.
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I remember this
Fight!
Fight!
Black and a white!
The n****r gonna win then we all jump in!

Blogger Were-Puppy January 27, 2017 6:42 PM  

@33 VD
Yes, an in a couple of generations from now, the last American of pure Anglo descent can keep telling everyone that.

And a couple generations from now, your 80-IQ descendants, who are totally Americans, will wonder what the Konstitushun was.
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But..but.. Muh E. Plebnista!

Anonymous Hesiod January 27, 2017 6:45 PM  

"...but from what I have read of their work, I highly doubt that was their intention."

The road to Hell, good intentions, etc., etc.

Blogger tz January 27, 2017 6:45 PM  

Does the "Melting Pot" make people Christian? No. Does it make them believe in the 2nd Amendment? No. The 1st, 4th, 5th or the rest? No. Does it make them reject dyscivic behavior? No.

So it doesn't make them American in any measurable way, yet somehow turns them into "Americans"?

Maybe we need to add more magic dirt.

Or turn up the heat until the pot is melting.

Blogger Percival Doctrine January 27, 2017 6:58 PM  

It seems the melting pot fetish is the result of the combination of Jewish political action encouraging immigration and the innate altruism of European stock.

Blogger Bard January 27, 2017 7:00 PM  

"Did Jesus Christ promise us a wide and easy stroll on which everyone would applaud and admire us?"

Where is my compliment?

Blogger rcocean January 27, 2017 7:15 PM  

"For instance, there is the famously Jew-hating Edith Wharton's (who found herself an expatriate in France) The House of Mirth."

"Jew-hating?" Doubtful. Given the hysterical anti-anti-semitism now prevalent, I assume "Jew Hating" means she disliked a couple particular Jews or made a few bigoted remarks.

Blogger rcocean January 27, 2017 7:16 PM  

Anyone who can read a play full of dialect, wins my admiration.

Blogger Lazarus January 27, 2017 7:25 PM  

PinochetsChopperPilot wrote:They would absolutely DESTROY the alt.right...in California..with all it's electoral votes and population centers.

That is why California should be encouraged to secede, BUT, if America is divisible, California is divisible. Let each county decide to secede or not.

Blogger tz January 27, 2017 7:31 PM  

Civic Nationalism requires 50-100 million people to give up THEIR identity politics.
Maybe if there are a lot of blue collar jobs and people either deport or get a job when welfare goes away.
Maybe if the inner city blacks start having intact families.
Possible? yes, especially with an Awakening or Revival reestablishing Christ. Likely, not without such a miracle.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 27, 2017 7:31 PM  

Anyone else notice that Trump hasn't released his "extreme vetting" EO to the public that he signed today, only a draft two days ago that was likely incomplete?

My guess: the actual EO is more effective and restrictive than the draft.

Still winning!

Anonymous Ain January 27, 2017 7:37 PM  

"As evil is wont to do, they even warned you with their symbolism from the start. Does it look as if anything good is going to come out of that witch's cauldron? The concept of "The Melting Pot" is an overtly anti-American, overtly anti-Christian lie straight from the Pit of Hell."

The symbolism they use is highly important. Most people don't realize how significant it is. It's as if they're saying "We warned you, but you didn't speak up, so now we have your blessing."

Blogger Lovekraft January 27, 2017 7:38 PM  

A main reason for marxists pressing on is that there can be no allowance for a review of past actions that followed from said ideology.

Everyone wants to pin them down, to completely expose their true intentions but they are elusive.

Multiculturalism is one such concept that everyone absorbs without having time to truly discuss its meaning and premises.

Rhetorical response then would be something like "no standards no standing"?

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 27, 2017 7:49 PM  

@69

Actually, Hajnal's research didn't have a line around Ireland.


Actually it does. The manoral system that developed in the low countries never made it to Ireland. The Irish are more tribal than the English. This was amply demonstrated for many years in the 19th and 20th centuries in the US, in various ways.

The Irish gave us a series of political machines in NYC for a couple of generations, just as the Italians and the Jews gave us organized crime gangs for at least two generations.

Tribalism is tribalism is tribalism. Cousin marriage seems to be a driver, but there are other factors as well. Your pdf on genetics will be out of date in a few years when we know more.

Anonymous the management January 27, 2017 7:49 PM  

I'm beginning to view references to "Marxist" influence in these discussions as a cuckservative whitewash of "Jewish" influence, especially given the OP.

Also, another post about Jewish anti-nationalist propaganda somehow gets sperged into a debate about the nation-destroying influence of the Irish. This seems to be a pattern here lately.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 27, 2017 7:52 PM  

@81
That is why California should be encouraged to secede, BUT, if America is divisible, California is divisible. Let each county decide to secede or not.

Cali secedes, NorCal secedes from Cali and joins with seceding counties from Oregon to form the state of Jefferson; inland Cali counties secede from Cali and petition to become part of Arizona or Nevada...

Popcorn!

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 27, 2017 7:56 PM  

@72
I should add... 30% of the population of Australia are of partial Irish ancestry.

So? Partial isn't the same thing as full. Look, you are grasping at straws here - Australia of the 19th century isn't the US of the same period, for many reasons.

Do you subscribe to the "melting pot" idea, or not? Is Emma Lazarus's doggeral and the new Zeroeth Amendment part of your world view or not?

Direct questions.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 27, 2017 8:05 PM  

@Justin C
"The American public school system , as founded by a Unitarian socials Horace Mann from Massachusetts,"

Let's not forget to give good ol' John Dewey credit for "improving" things a little later on.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 27, 2017 8:16 PM  

Looks familiar. I have to admit, though, that I never actually read the play. Now you've made me feel obligated to at least skim through it...

Anonymous Ulick McGee January 27, 2017 8:45 PM  

You accept a few of us can understand intellectual concepts? Progress! You English have come a long was since you decided to mass genocide us in the 1840's. Now, now, don't get excited. I know it was your right as an Englishman.

Anonymous ReluctantMessiah January 27, 2017 9:28 PM  

Civic nationalism can work, but it faces a much harder task. In terms of survival and tribalism, ethnicity simply makes it easier to differentiate between people. The longer the Left engages in racial warfare, the harder it will be to sell civic nationalism.

Anonymous Ulick McGee January 27, 2017 9:47 PM  

Due to continous and continuing heavy Irish immigration, many Irish, now Aussies, continued and continue to marry among their own ethnic group. The Irish influence in Australia during the formation of the culture was formidable. Australian Rules Football and Gaelic Football are very similar, a trivial example unless you consider the massive cultural impact of both games in their respective countries.

The Irish are not as impressive a race as the English but we are not as far off as you seem to think. As a bonus, we are less cucked and when the fighting starts, we will be on the front lines defending the Rights of Englishmen and those of their wives' sons.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 27, 2017 10:15 PM  

If we're going to talk about Irish (Catholic) Australians:
Link

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 27, 2017 10:55 PM  

Henry Havelock wrote:The King of England had been King of Ireland since 1542.
Only if you define Ireland as Ulster, Dublin, and parts of County Cork.

Henry Havelock wrote:I should add as well that 'Britain' has referred to all the isles for the entire history of its usage (c. 2400 years in writing), with the exception of Irish nationalists after 1922.
Simply false. Yes It's a claim of the Orangemen, but they're hardly unbiased observers. The island on which England (and Wales, Scotland and Cornwall) exists is named Britain. This island does not include Ireland, Man, the Channel Islands or even the Orkneys. The original inhabitants, so far as we know, did not have a name for it. Britain is the Latin name, derived from the name of one of the tribes, the Pretanni (now resident in Brittany and called Bretons). This is still the modern usage
"Great Britain" is an invention of the Stuarts, trying to tie Ireland and Britain together as a single entity, in an attempt to make the Union a logical, tribal thing, and not a mere assertion of power.

Henry Havelock wrote:The Irish started arriving in numbers America at around the same time that Irish nationalists began constructing an 'Irish' identity that was explicitly Catholic and "Celtic." This process was complete by the early 20th century. Padraig Pearse (Catholic, 'Celtic') and James Connolly (Socialist) were the two 1916 leaders that embody the two main traditions of modern Irish nationalism. The socialist tradition lost out in post-1922 Ireland but remained part of the fabric of nationalism in Northern Ireland.

Wolfe Tone (1798 Rebellion) and Charles Stewart Parnell (Nationalist leader c. 1890s) were both Protestants, and nationalism had a strong Presbyterian character before that time. Many nationalist leaders were Protestant landowners who wanted their own Parliament restored.


Again simply false. The 98 rebellion was indeed inclusive of both Presbyterian and Catholic groups. That was because the Catholics were still in the mode of lining up allies to help in their fights. But thery allies, not brothers in arms. The Protestants provided money, intelligence, and political cover, the Catholics provided troops. Or rather, in the actual case, didn't provide troops, as most of them never showed up. The moral case for liberty was persuasive. The moral case for empowering their Anglo-Norman and Scottish landlords was somewhat less so.
I will agree that the religion was not necessarily the determining factor, but you've been sold a very biased account by people with skin still in the game.

Anonymous Pennywise January 28, 2017 12:46 AM  

Friedrich Trump, a penniless German immigrant, was one of those “huddled masses” back in 1885, ineligible for inclusion in the American body politic, along with his relatives, under VD's rationale.

Blogger MycroftJones January 28, 2017 1:10 AM  

@96 and Trump is the third generation. Under Bible Law, which the founding Puritans of the USA covenanted to keep, Germans can have full citizenship rights in their third generation, as they are a kindred people.

Blogger tublecane January 28, 2017 1:44 AM  

@9-You can go ahead and use the word "American," but if they are Americans then there is no such thing as the American nation. Because you can't build a nation in the traditional sense from everyone in the world who happens to stop by.

That's what I believe: we are not a nation. Just a bunch of people, lots of land, a government, and the lies that bind us.

Blogger IreneAthena January 28, 2017 2:08 AM  

Inselaffen and Jerries, kindred peoples, occasionally.

Blogger IreneAthena January 28, 2017 2:12 AM  

99 is at 97

Anonymous Jay Will January 28, 2017 2:43 AM  

The hubris of global humanitarianism is that they can manage the experiment they are undertaking like technicians in a lab. That the reformation of Islam, via war, and the social engineering of mass immigration is something they can oversee with various controls.

The experiment is likely to blow up in their face. More importantly mine. Ironically, given the greater good of Israel being fundamental to this process, it is the Jews themselves who are in most danger from its likely collapse.

What if, rather than Islam being reformed, it via its leftist friends subverts globalism and takes power in Europe? This is VERY BAD for Jewish people. Why do these superior Jewish overseeing minds not see the insanity of the monster they are creating in Europe.

They are unleashing a Frankenstein, and like the hubris of the geneticists, the monster will not be tamed and will likely destroy them and us.

Anonymous John January 28, 2017 3:37 AM  

Tz, you're of Polish descent. Since you're not a real American when are you going to return to Poland? We had our own system of liberties in Poland, and I would say a superior one to that of the English, where real liberties were earned through merit. So will you and others return now that it looks like the real Americans no longer want you? What do you think?

Blogger Laramie Hirsch January 28, 2017 4:40 AM  

This kind of mixing of Japetites, Hamites, and Semites--by force, on an inescapable continent with no geographical land attachment to the rest of the world--is a new and unique phenomenon in human history. At Babel, God had His angels lead the different nations to the different corners of the Earth. But with the United States, it is as though those populations afflicted with "the confusion of tongues" had returned to the City of Babel, and cut the idea of retreat out of their minds.

With America, either the people will attain a unifying moment of Pentacost, or the continent will suffer a never-ending bloodbath. The Aztecs converted an masse to Christianity in the 1500s, courtesy of a miracle, so it is possible.

Personally, though, I think God will kill off most of America, settling the problem.

Blogger William Hudson January 28, 2017 9:11 AM  

For rumination by Evangelical Christians, i.e., those of "us" who believe in a Pre-Tribulation rapture of Christ's Church:

If "we" are correct in our eschatological beliefs, then THAT event is what will spell the final doom of this place that we all call America, The United States of.

Are we right or wrong? Only time itself will tell the tale. Meanwhile, I personally support the "temporary" God-Emperor, Donald John Trump.

As I sometimes like to say to people, his name could be a "sign" that the Last Trump is nigh.

Blogger tz January 28, 2017 11:16 AM  

@102, if it were Hillary, I'd be in Kracow now.
I've thought about it especially after the Poles now introduced a Militia (I'll have to see the 2nd amendment depth). 40% go to weekly Mass and Abortion is all but banned.
I think I could resolve the language barrier in 3 months, and find a high-tech job, but moving is expensive.
The downside is they still regulate (still like biggish government), and have ties to things like NATO and ran a CIA black site. And joined the EU. Maybe after #Polexit.
But for now, I know more about the USA, and with Trump can help.

Blogger tz January 28, 2017 11:22 AM  

h/t WRS - the observer sees what Vox sees

It would be more correct to term this what it actually is: nationalism. Ethno-racial nationalism is an enormously potent political force; wise politicians know this and employ it cautiously. Nationalism arouses genuine passion and is a political motivator like no other, which it explains why a majority of white women voted for Trump, to the bitter consternation of outraged feminists.

Moreover, once nationalism becomes the main political factor, there’s no putting that troublesome genie back in the bottle. Politics become tribal, ethnic conflicts waged at the ballot box rather than on the battlefield. Having done most of my scholarly work on multiethnic societies like the Habsburg Empire and Yugoslavia, I can attest that the fires of nationalism, once stoked, are only put out with great difficulty—and that ethnically diverse societies that play games with nationalism are living dangerously.

Nationalism transforms politics from ideology to tribe. As Lee Kwan Yew, whose founding and prosperous running of multiethnic Singapore for three decades made him one of the most successful politicians of the 20th century, expressed it concisely, “In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion.”

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