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Tuesday, January 24, 2017

The Right Alternative

It's all but a dead letter now, but this little photo montage from Twitter should suffice to demonstrate why the American Alt-White's Master Plan to embrace a long-defunct German political ideology was, in a word, retarded.


Is it fair? Not particularly. So what? It's funny and effective. It is excellent rhetoric. It's the first time the Left has outmemed the Right in ages, and all because some amateurs thought they were playing underwater 5D chess. Sometimes, what looks stupid is just stupid.

And while the media's power is on the decline, it is still formidable. They should not be feared, but they should not be trusted or dismissed as irrelevant either. Richard Spencer thought he could play the media, but he learned the hard way that they played him instead. If your marketing plan ends up with you being beaten, in public, to the applause of tens of thousands of people, you should probably rethink your strategy and its underlying assumptions.

None of this will have any effect on the rise of the Alt-Right; the media's attempt to paint us as National Socialists will only build interest in us and sabotage their own credibility because their claims are observably false. Which, of course, is precisely why they are afraid to run my answers to their own questions about the Alt-Right. Indeed, the mere disclosure of an interview I did today would be sufficient to shatter their false Narrative like a nuke in a Waterford Crystal factory.

We don't need to dance for the media to win. We don't need to play-act or engage in theatrics. We need to do nothing more than speak the truth without fear. Liberalism has failed. Conservatism has failed. Neoconservatism has failed. Communism has failed. Secular liberal democracy has failed. Multiculturalism has failed. Feminism has failed. Progressivism has failed.

The Alt-Right is the Right Alternative.

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Anonymous Edgy Ebook Merchant January 24, 2017 11:50 AM  

"The Alt Right is dead." Mike Cernovich

Blogger Nate January 24, 2017 11:55 AM  

This is why we called that particular branch Alt-Retard.

Anonymous Reenay January 24, 2017 11:56 AM  

At least the Alt-White serves a good purpose as bait for the Left. They allow us to reveal how the Left paints in big brushstrokes, especially the MSM. Essentially, they allow us to exploit the Left's overreach and convert their momentum facefirst into the ground.

Blogger Red Emma January 24, 2017 11:56 AM  

Haha! You can explain the trivial sectarian differences between various strains of the Nazi/fascist/reactionary/contra tradition all you like. Everyone knows what you are.

Blogger VD January 24, 2017 11:57 AM  

"The Alt Right is dead." Mike Cernovich

Obviously not.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 24, 2017 11:57 AM  

Before, threatening to call someone a Nazi/Racist/etc. produced kowtowing. Rinse and repeat for a couple generations and the Left let all other tactics atrophy.

Now, threatening people with this just makes them angrier. Not a great idea when "they" outnumber you.

The Media-celebrity-Theocrats think they're herding the Muddle Middle back into the pews by upping their volume. Instead, they're doing exactly what every group does after their peak, speeding their coming irrelevance.

The only tactic the Left seems determined to resurrect is rioting. What they don't grasp is that instead of appeasement, this time it will almost certainly drive those in the Middle to the Right, and if the Left does what seems certain, eventually the Bill Ayers of the world will be doing life sentences or pushing up daisies.

This time it really is different.

Blogger VD January 24, 2017 11:58 AM  

Haha! You can explain the trivial sectarian differences between various strains of the Nazi/fascist/reactionary/contra tradition all you like. Everyone knows what you are.

(smiles) Your explanatory model is deficient.

Blogger Elocutioner January 24, 2017 12:01 PM  

Mike had some interesting quotes in the Atlantic this past week. I urge everyone to go read them.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) January 24, 2017 12:04 PM  

No one can ever convince Americans that punching nazis is bad.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 24, 2017 12:05 PM  

Leaders don't steer. This is what everyone doesn't grasp. The Left thinks they can find a "leader" (like Spencer), hang him with epithets (and his own words, sure) and then redirect people back into the fold.

It simply doesn't work that way. The old Narrative is dying, a new Narrative is taking form and it is the spontaneous organization of that which eventually chooses the "leaders."

It's fascinating and funny to watch them invest their whole being into stage-managing something that is irrelevant. Spencer, Cernovich, even VD are irrelevant in the sense that if not them, someone else will suffice. The process behaves metaphorically like a multicelled organism. No one cell or even a group of them matters all that much.

The Trump Phenomenon doesn't require a drum major. The band is picking its path, it always did.

Blogger Baldwin IV January 24, 2017 12:06 PM  

This is why you build your own platform rather than use the media because unless you have Trump-like media skills, the media will play you like a damn fiddle.

Anonymous Edgy Ebook Merchant January 24, 2017 12:09 PM  

"Obviously not."

vs.

“The alt-right’s dead,” Cernovich said. “Well, the alt-right’s dead as to most of the people in this room.”

“The media has overstated the scope and influence of the alt-right,” he said.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/the-new-right-and-the-alt-right-party-on-a-fractious-night/514001/

Blogger Sam Spade January 24, 2017 12:10 PM  

I like Richard Spencer, but it's true that it was a mistake to try to play on media's field.

To his credit he was very solid in his Vice, Al Jazeera and Atlantic interviews, in my opinion, and they didn't managed to crushed him, or maybe they didn't try. There is certain fascination in the left about the alt right. They are more ruthless with beta cuckservatives. I remember the Vice girl interviewing him was literally lubricating wih him.

His big mistake was to feed to the press the Hitler salute narrative in his NPI conference. But I think he is no finished. I think Vox is underestimating him.

Of course the Alt-Right journey will continue with or without him, in that I agree.

Blogger Gaiseric January 24, 2017 12:13 PM  

It's so very Jewish chutzpah to run around calling the very people who bailed your sorry butts out of the Holocaust Nazis, just to bludgeon them into giving you everything you want from them.

Anonymous User January 24, 2017 12:13 PM  

You're just as much a nazi as Spencer is, which is to say not at all. This matters to the media even less than it matters to you.

I respect your strategy on engaging with the media and only giving battle on ground you deem favorable. This is however largely a defensive posture. Since you believe victory is inevitable since truth and God are on our side this makes sense.

But some people will want to give battle regardless and Spencer is one of them. How do we turn failed engagements with the media into successful feints? The protect free speech angle is cucked so what's better? At the very least it can be useful recon demonstrating where the enemy is too strong to hit for the slower among us.

Apologies if I misread your position.

Blogger Matthew McDaniel January 24, 2017 12:17 PM  

Found a cool counter meme that shows Indy shooting a middle easterner with the caption "it's American to shoot Muslims."

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) January 24, 2017 12:19 PM  

Found a cool counter meme that shows Indy shooting a middle easterner with the caption "it's American to shoot Muslims."

You're trying to counter rhetoric with dialectic

Anonymous Longtime Lurker January 24, 2017 12:20 PM  

Perhaps that Indiana Jones meme can be culture jammed by using Photoshop to replace that Swastika with "SJW." During the 60s, the left took Churchill's two-fingered Victory sign and turned it into the "Peace" sign. Two can play that game. So why not make SJWs as the new Nazis and hoist em by their own petard?

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 24, 2017 12:21 PM  

Trump signs 5 more EO's. One overturns Obama's on the Keystone pipeline. Another specifies the pipeline must be made of US steel.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) January 24, 2017 12:21 PM  

So why not make SJWs as the new Nazis and hoist em by their own petard?

SJWS ARE THE NEW NAZIS will work as well as DEMS ARE THE REAL RACIS has

Blogger VD January 24, 2017 12:21 PM  

His big mistake was to feed to the press the Hitler salute narrative in his NPI conference. But I think he is no finished. I think Vox is underestimating him.

We'll see. He's experienced some hard lessons. Perhaps he'll learn from them. Perhaps he won't. But he didn't listen to my advice, and didn't learn enough from the NPI debacle, or he wouldn't have managed to get punched - twice - on camera.

Perhaps you may recall my advice post-NPI: don't talk to the media on camera or on the phone.

Blogger SteelPalm January 24, 2017 12:22 PM  

A fine analysis about rhetoric, but while I'm no fan of the guy, I don't view this as being nearly as negative for Richard Spencer as you do, Vox.

A lot of people indifferent or marginally negative to Spencer, like myself, are very sympathetic/supportive of him here.

And he was one of the biggest stories during the God Emperor's Ascension, no mean feat. That will bring many more detractors and enemies, but some new supporters/fans, too.

That stupid meme was popular and effective, no doubt, and it badly hurt Spencer's projected image, but I would still call it a mixed bag based on the previous considerations. Unless I'm missing something.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian January 24, 2017 12:23 PM  

Spencer is not a Nazi. That the Media j'accuses him of such is par for course. It is the narrative. He never gave a salute, he raised his glass. Of course the Media ran the narrative with the four morons offering the salute back to his glass raise.

Spencer is not perfect. But he leads/helps others to see.

Jared Taylor is not perfect, but he helps.
Steve Sailer is not perfect, but he helps.
Collin Flaherty is not perfect, but he helps.

The feuding with in the alright makes me think that ALL (AltRight, AltWhite, AltWest, and AltLite) of them are a bunch of preening faggots.

But they all help to some degree.

Blogger Cecil Henry January 24, 2017 12:23 PM  

What you need is some picture of Indiana and his family now surrounded by thousands of dindus in his own country.

And then ask something like 'maybe apple pie should be eaten in moderation'.... or 'apparently apple pie can kill too'

Something with this theme:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0otvUeUkAAWl5G.jpg

Blogger Salt January 24, 2017 12:24 PM  

There's a meme of the inauguration, showing it a bit empty, captioned that the white spaces are not empty but people wearing sheets. Funny stuff.

Anonymous BBGKB January 24, 2017 12:25 PM  

It is excellent rhetoric. It's the first time the Left has outmemed the Right in ages

It only relies on 60 years of jews controlling movies and comic books. With reality being the guy who punched Spenser lets post wall women shit on his face. What are the chances the media arranged the attack like it arranged Rosa Parks and the younger version of Rosa Parks 2 weeks before.

Blogger VD January 24, 2017 12:25 PM  

I respect your strategy on engaging with the media and only giving battle on ground you deem favorable. This is however largely a defensive posture. Since you believe victory is inevitable since truth and God are on our side this makes sense.

It's not a defensive posture at all. Read Sun Tzu.

But some people will want to give battle regardless and Spencer is one of them.

Spencer is not even remotely ready to give battle of any kind. Neither are any of the tough-talking faux-Nazi LARPers. Merely exposing their identities was enough to shut them down.

So why not make SJWs as the new Nazis and hoist em by their own petard?

Because it won't work. You're accepting the enemy frame. As noted, "Dems are the Real Racists" is the failed strategy of the moderate.

Blogger Old Ez January 24, 2017 12:26 PM  

"speak the truth without fear"

Absolutely. I've been telling people for years that Germany, rather than the Judeo-American Bolshevik goliath, was the "good" side in World War 2. I've been fearlessly shouting this truth from the rooftops for many years.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) January 24, 2017 12:27 PM  

When you've managed to make Jeb! look cool...you're not winning:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChevreBoueri/status/823027164509536256/photo/1

Blogger VD January 24, 2017 12:28 PM  

Spencer is not a Nazi. That the Media j'accuses him of such is par for course. It is the narrative. He never gave a salute, he raised his glass. Of course the Media ran the narrative with the four morons offering the salute back to his glass raise.

Of course they did. That's precisely WHY YOU DON'T INVITE THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

This really isn't that hard. Richard is neither the first, nor the ten thousandth, amateur to fall for the "hey, we're just here to report the news, we want to tell YOUR story" line.

Blogger SteelPalm January 24, 2017 12:28 PM  

@23

Spencer is not perfect. But he leads/helps others to see.

Jared Taylor is not perfect, but he helps.
Steve Sailer is not perfect, but he helps.
Collin Flaherty is not perfect, but he helps.


Terrible comparisons.

I love Jared Taylor (who is one of Spencer's two mentors, and who Spencer is simply paraphrasing but with far less intelligence and extra stupidity thrown in), Sailer is excellent, and Colin Flaherty is cool and useful, if very repetitive. (I prefer Paul Kersey for black crime)

Spencer should never be included with those three, and outside of his personal following, arguably does more harm than good.

Blogger VD January 24, 2017 12:30 PM  

I've been telling people for years that Germany, rather than the Judeo-American Bolshevik goliath, was the "good" side in World War 2.

That's not the truth. There were no good guys. There is nothing good about violent German imperialism. Were the Japanese good guys too? Was the Italian invasion of Ethiopia good?

Your binary frame is ludicrous. Moreover, Germany declared war on the USA and attacked the Soviet Union. They were, inarguably, the aggressors.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker January 24, 2017 12:30 PM  

@20: Yes. The SJWPA - Social Justice Workers Party of America. The possibilities for memetic mayhem are unlimited.

Blogger IrishFarmer January 24, 2017 12:30 PM  

I disagree that Spencer caused much if any damage. I know nothing about media except what I see, but Spencer doesnt come off as a nazi, just an extremist. Him being punched, especially in the larger context of violence and degenerate hissy fits, the left looks worse and worse. Average joes may not like Spencer but it makes them very uncomfortable to see people getting sucker punched by a guy who lets women poop on his face.

Anonymous Stryker4570 January 24, 2017 12:31 PM  

VD, I think this is something along the lines you have suggested. Brilliant. https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2017/01/23/more-mockery/

Anonymous Bz January 24, 2017 12:33 PM  

I don't much care about a long-dead political movement, even if it excites some beyond all reason. Referring to it is mere misdirection. However, over the last few years I've gone from "what are those people going on about" to "why doesn't the police do something about those violent weirdos" to "they need a taste of their own medicine".

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) January 24, 2017 12:34 PM  

Average joes may not like Spencer but it makes them very uncomfortable to see people getting sucker punched by a guy who lets women poop on his face.

The average Joe has no idea who punched him. All they see is a dude with a Hitler youth haircut getting punched in the face, probably set to music.

Blogger Nathan Wright January 24, 2017 12:35 PM  

Vox, I see you have a good point here. But I'm curious, have you read Mein Kampf? One thing that stands out starkly is its broad agreement with Alt-Right ideas.

Notice that things like "Hail Trump! Hail Victory", the Bellamy Salute, even the Swastika, were not originated by the Nazis but came to be associated with them. How many other good and sensible things are likewise associated? If you say you want to preserve your race, for example, then to most normies, you're just as big of a Nazi as Spencer.

So you can disavow the NSGWP all you like, but how are you going to fix the line between banning Nazi imagery and cucking on vital political interests?

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian January 24, 2017 12:36 PM  

@31

Spencer is young and will (hopefully) learn. He is still helping. Again, he isn't perfect. He engages and is generally not bad in how he does so.

There is much bitching.

Blogger VD January 24, 2017 12:36 PM  

I disagree that Spencer caused much if any damage.

I didn't say he caused any damage. Quite the opposite. The only person he is damaging is himself. I repeat: he needs to stop going on camera.

Blogger Lovekraft January 24, 2017 12:37 PM  

The thing is, the coward that took a cheap shot at Spencer is no Captain America (or Harrison Ford on his worst day). The internet has a way of playing things out until a natural balance is achieved or it becomes stale.

When the photos and details come out of the coward, the left will have to respond by typical sjw insanity that Spencer will end up looking like the good guy.

Same for our side. If one thinks taking someone on the left out is a good idea, he better have his internet history squeaky clean.

Anonymous Viidad January 24, 2017 12:37 PM  

"Germany declared war on the USA and attacked the Soviet Union. They were, inarguably, the aggressors."

An argument could be made that WWII was simply a continuation of WWI in which the USA jumped in against Germany on behalf of the Brits.

Blogger SS January 24, 2017 12:37 PM  

VD wrote:

But some people will want to give battle regardless and Spencer is one of them.

Spencer is not even remotely ready to give battle of any kind. Neither are any of the tough-talking faux-Nazi LARPers. Merely exposing their identities was enough to shut them down.



If thats in reference to TRS, the only ones it shutdown were the more moderate (least likely ones for you to call nazis) show at FTN. TDS is still going.

Blogger VD January 24, 2017 12:41 PM  

But I'm curious, have you read Mein Kampf? One thing that stands out starkly is its broad agreement with Alt-Right ideas.

Yes. No, not really. The pseudo-science, false history, and Teutonic supremacism alone are sufficient to disqualify it.

how are you going to fix the line between banning Nazi imagery and cucking on vital political interests?

That question doesn't make any sense. It's like asking how I would fix a line between fish and computers. I'd also advise people not to defecate on camera; I don't see how that toilet discipline would incline anyone to retreat on vital political interests.

Look, if you're even bringing up Nazis in 2017, you're either a liar or a clown. You might as reasonably bring up Whigs or Optimates.

Blogger Wolfman at Large January 24, 2017 12:42 PM  

but but but LARPing for Hitler is fun! How else am I supposed to impress my internet girlfriend?

Anonymous User January 24, 2017 12:42 PM  

By far the best rhetorical work the TRS goys have done is their music; for example grab them by the Pussy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkJNaZNGsyw) and Dindu Vibrations (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLbqIC4iRSw).

Every normie I've played that stuff for can't help but laugh, and we all know it's not true unless it makes you laugh.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker January 24, 2017 12:44 PM  

@27: So why not make SJWs as the new Nazis and hoist em by their own petard? - Because it won't work. You're accepting the enemy frame. As noted, "Dems are the Real Racists" is the failed strategy of the moderate.

Vox, if the goal is to inflict to cause the other side to drop their preferred Nazi meme, I can see where you are coming from, e.g., "antiracist" SJWs are incapable of seeing themselves as anything but antiractist and will therefore will not be dissuaded from pushing their Nazi meme.

But if the enemy meme cannot be defeated outright through culture jamming, perhaps a second best outcome can be achieved: To make the enemy meme as confusing as possible to as many as possible so that no one can make any clear sense of it, thereby diminishing its value as a tool against the Right.

OpenID rufusdog January 24, 2017 12:45 PM  

Just the normal in group fighting between men vying for money and power when they see an opening.

All this Alt BS is just the same men attempting branding to solidify a vehicle for said power and money.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) January 24, 2017 12:45 PM  

How else am I supposed to impress my internet girlfriend?

Hitler wouldn't approve of her because waifu

Anonymous Treason January 24, 2017 12:46 PM  

The media still considers Glenn Beck a "nazi."

When leftists start punching us all, at least Vox Day and Cernovich have the sucker-puncher's back. It's 6D chess you see.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 24, 2017 12:48 PM  

Black masked anarco-Commies interact with normies.
One arrested, then hear "Show me what a police state looks like!" from some punk who is clueless. More like "Show me what a crybully looks like".

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian January 24, 2017 12:50 PM  

@45

No Wolfman, you get her to LARP Nazi for you.

Blogger pyrrhus January 24, 2017 12:50 PM  

Exactly true, it is politically unsound to fight the existing zeitgeist in anything but the most gradualist manner. Besides which, the goal we are seeking must realistically accept that a degree of multiracialism is already baked in the cake, but we can definitely suppress a lot of multiculturalism, and that will eventually produce an acceptable result.

Blogger Lovekraft January 24, 2017 12:50 PM  

There's Red Emma again. Just woke up from your nap?

How do you propose, constructively, we engage the media in order to present a fair view of our ideas?

How do you propose we react when we are met with vitriol, assuming you even think our grievances (as we define them) are valid?

and, finally,

What has your movement's leaders actually done to address our problems that would qualify them worthy of our attention?

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents January 24, 2017 12:54 PM  

Some LARPer showed up at Shia Lebouf's livestream "He will not divide us" and didn't do well at all.

LARPers can't even out shout a low grade actor for a few seconds, but gonna lead all the rest of us?

Anonymous Michael Maier January 24, 2017 12:55 PM  

And FB dindus beating disabled folks are just "silly children".

I agree Spencer is a silly distraction.

But were Ann Coulter shot dead in public at a rally, I bet the majority of SJWs would literally cheer.

These idiots savages don't show any signs of backing down. There is always an excuse, even when BLM kills cops.

This bodes ill.

Blogger VD January 24, 2017 12:57 PM  

Vox, if the goal is to inflict to cause the other side to drop their preferred Nazi meme, I can see where you are coming from, e.g., "antiracist" SJWs are incapable of seeing themselves as anything but antiractist and will therefore will not be dissuaded from pushing their Nazi meme.

That is not the goal. They will NEVER drop the Nazi meme anymore than they will stop calling the Right stupid. It's not about us, it's about how they see themselves.

But if the enemy meme cannot be defeated outright through culture jamming, perhaps a second best outcome can be achieved: To make the enemy meme as confusing as possible to as many as possible so that no one can make any clear sense of it, thereby diminishing its value as a tool against the Right.

That's stupid and counter-productive. The way you diminish their credibility is not to SUPPORT their freaking Narrative, but to make it obvious to all and sundry how false it is.

You UTTER FREAKING MORONS are trying to build a strategy around responding to a tactic. I find it difficult to even conceive, let alone articulate, how vastly stupid that is. It's like Eisenhower deciding that the right way to take back Europe is to figure out how to diminish the effectiveness of LMG bullets. It's not even wrong, it's a fucking category error.

Blogger Lovekraft January 24, 2017 12:58 PM  

@ 48 Longtime Lurker:

Possibly. Whatever this morphing body naturally determines is enough of a threat, it will face. Will the left defeat such an unfocused, unconcentrated foe, or merge with it?

If we determine it's important enough to fight (Nazi association that sticks is a death sentence, for example), we take them on.

I believe the alt-right will eventually become more hierarchal.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) January 24, 2017 12:58 PM  

32. VD January 24, 2017 12:30 PM
There is nothing good about violent German imperialism.
...
and attacked the Soviet Union.



feels good, man.


didn't Red Emma get banned already?

Blogger VD January 24, 2017 12:59 PM  

When leftists start punching us all, at least Vox Day and Cernovich have the sucker-puncher's back.

The irony is that both Vox and Cerno, unlike Richard, are more than prepared for the punching to begin. You guys talk tough, but none of you have ever punched anyone or taken a punch.

Blogger Beau January 24, 2017 12:59 PM  

We need to do nothing more than speak the truth without fear. Liberalism has failed. Conservatism has failed. Neoconservatism has failed. Communism has failed. Secular liberal democracy has failed. Multiculturalism has failed. Feminism has failed. Progressivism has failed.

A succinct statement of reality. Stark, observable, and true.

Therefore say to them, Thus declares the LORD of hosts: Return to me, says the LORD of hosts, and I will return to you, says the LORD of hosts. Zechariah 1:3

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian January 24, 2017 1:00 PM  

@57

How old is that little, larpy kid? Shia really is a tough fellow.

Blogger Lovekraft January 24, 2017 1:01 PM  

VD says "It's not about us, it's about how they see themselves."

Tied into the narrative, which allows the funding to flow in the right direction. Funding including all other social benefits of being on the 'winning' side.

To unlock VD's meaning requires going beyond humanistic meanings of morality. In other words, if it turns out things have to go the way of a Cambodia, turning our bibles into ak-47s may be the only choice.

That is, if you determine the left is evil.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 24, 2017 1:06 PM  

@64
How old is that little, larpy kid?

No clue. A lot of millennials look young for their age, that's what living only through your phone can do. The Feldgrau cap is a big LARP tell, though. The mumbling shows exceptional leadership skills, too, doesn't it?

Shia really is a tough fellow.

Oh, yeah. Anyone can see that by the way he shouts in that guy's ear, while a whole crowd has his back.

Anonymous Bz January 24, 2017 1:06 PM  

I'm just someone with an interest in historical reenactment.

Blogger Austin Ballast January 24, 2017 1:10 PM  

Richard Maybury had a good series of books (starting with _Whatever Happened to Penny Candy_) that discussed WWI and WWII near the end (dd and dd). WWII definitely flowed out of WWI and everyone would have been better off letting Stalin and Hitler beat each other up rather than helping either side.

The people in the US probably would have stayed out of WWII except for FDR's manipulation to get Japan to attack the US (and then not be ready for that). Behind the scenes manipulation caused a lot of poor choices.

No one was faultless in these wars, as VD notes. Things were bad, but it is not the job of those in the US to fix everything wrong around the world.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian January 24, 2017 1:12 PM  

@67

The Mrs. is really something in her Hugo Boss officer's coat, mini skirt, and rocking the German side of Panzer Blitz

Blogger VD January 24, 2017 1:15 PM  

Go push your repetitive narrative elsewhere, Red Emma. Spammed.

Blogger Happy LP9 January 24, 2017 1:16 PM  

Wow just wow! I love this!

Blogger Stilicho January 24, 2017 1:18 PM  

Who's paying Red Emma to discredit Democrats? Fess up.

Anonymous LastRedoubt January 24, 2017 1:19 PM  

@68 Red Emma

VD, as this incident shows, no one is buying your "Nazis? Us?" "rhetoric." No one.

Well, your side does pride itself on how ignorant they've made the masses through taking over education, even if they're not as docile as they'd like. Can't say you're a shining example of an informed shopper either.

Come back when you learn something.

Blogger Harsh January 24, 2017 1:19 PM  

Your problem, Red Emma, is you don't know what is rhetoric and what is dialect so your observation is simply meaningless.

Blogger praetorian January 24, 2017 1:20 PM  

Spencer will be alright.

I disagree w/ him on a lot and fully admitting that he's made some mistakes, he's a net positive, if only for providing a Schmittian clarification of who our enemies are.

Anonymous Eduardo January 24, 2017 1:22 PM  

You know what we have to change tactics and swtich to muslim type of brainwashing... that IS RIGHT! We will play Gazebo's "I Like Chopin" 7 minute-long version from Loud Speekers from the top of every tall buidling! The entire left will be flooded with thoughts of longing and love thus allowing the right to take over peacefully... or we can broadcast "The Adventures of Pepe the Frog" on giant TV's from those same towers.

...or we can have Vox, a mega phone, a #MEGA shirt, a MEGA-Man costume and a giant human sized Kite and use our imaginations. (It's cheap folks!!!)

Blogger Happy LP9 January 24, 2017 1:24 PM  

61, 62, so true! Let us love the Lord and yes Shia was unhinged like Madge, it was disgusting, feminists are evil, violent, irrational to retarded women. Let us never EVER enter a victim disarmament zone like DC marches. Richard Spencer was punched, others were doxxed, my advertising was pulled from 2 local papers just for it to go viral at Facebook when I dont advertise; its just a ballet, yoga even art classes/art/craftshows, just women, music and some paint. The blowback was more job offers and more Trumpers wanting to be with us or our kind to workout, learn routines, improve or do art work led by me, altrighty then!

TRULY I am over the moon cloud 9 thrilled!! POTUS TRUMP, wow!!!

On another note Mike Cernovich to the other men don't need me to defend them or link to their work but I do at Gab. Markku has my account info, its known I am on the up and up using social media for the best. I will ignore insolence or invective tones, I require that any critic can present their case at Gab

Blogger Happy LP9 January 24, 2017 1:26 PM  

73 Again Genxers are trying, just like POTUS Trump is trying too, we've got to give them a chance and just listen or read.

We have Katie Hopkins to Milo also saving the world too. They understand whats at stake.

Blogger Wanderer January 24, 2017 1:26 PM  

@68

No one cares.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer January 24, 2017 1:26 PM  

VD wrote:When leftists start punching us all, at least Vox Day and Cernovich have the sucker-puncher's back.

The irony is that both Vox and Cerno, unlike Richard, are more than prepared for the punching to begin. You guys talk tough, but none of you have ever punched anyone or taken a punch.


Gavin showed how it was done. A whiny SJW starts trying to get in your face or starts trying to get the rest of the crowd to come after you? Get in their face with maximum force and move on when then shrink back. Most of these rioters are only brave in the face of pepper spray, or people who will shrink back in fear from their advances. They tend to turn tail when someone shows the willingness and ability to hit them back twice as hard.

Blogger VD January 24, 2017 1:26 PM  

Adios, Edgy Ebook Merchant. I am not the subject here. Better go hide your Swastika Panties before someone doxes you.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus January 24, 2017 1:28 PM  

They tend to turn tail when someone shows the willingness and ability to hit them back twice as hard.

We have it on good authority that only Vox and Mike Cernovich are ready when the punches start flying. Everyone else is just an internet tough guy whose never, ever been in a fight or punched anyone before.

Anonymous User January 24, 2017 1:30 PM  

Edgy Ebook Merchant wrote:"The Alt Right is dead." Mike Cernovich

Vox is fighting effectively. His strategy of reclaiming a small but important part of our culture is clever and effective. It also happens to be making him a few bucks which, speaking as a satisfied customer, is fantastic. He assures us that Mike has greatly increased his effectiveness, and for that I am grateful to Mike.

I and many others perceive that Mike's strategy is enriching himself and is doing it by selling rehashed motivational advice to gammas. Fine, a man has to earn a living. The Internet is thick with branding and motivational experts, but to his credit he has demonstrable expertise and even showed that he can personally share that expertise with at least one other person. Yet few if any of the sad sack gammas who keep him in business have benefited at all. The more Mike attacks those who love the West the more it looks like he does not.

Blogger Happy LP9 January 24, 2017 1:34 PM  

77, Red Emma, I'm at Gab; LP9, lets talk it over before you foolishly dismiss OUR host. A smart man with a smart gracious kind wife, you are lucky to speak so freely here, did you even read the 16 alt right points or even bother to think 5 steps ahead before you posted? You can debate me at Gab any day. Your ill will is obvious to all, spammed.

Anonymous MR January 24, 2017 1:35 PM  

"I may not make an honest buck, but I am 100% American. I don't work for some two bit Nazi."


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x28e1ua_rocketeer-gangsters-fbi-vs-nazis_shortfilms

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 24, 2017 1:38 PM  

All the old fame whore scripts are the nearly useless remnants of conservatism. Fame whore wants to become an "educator" and educate the masses, blah blah blah FAIL.

For the love of god you intellectuals first discredit and disqualify liberalism.

Blogger Nate January 24, 2017 1:40 PM  

also... that little larper could've broken that idiot actor's jaw about 6 times.

Blogger VD January 24, 2017 1:40 PM  

We have it on good authority that only Vox and Mike Cernovich are ready when the punches start flying.

Watch the Spencer videos again. Look at Mike Enoch or whatever his name is. These are not people who have ever stepped into a ring, or, I suspect, ever even fired a gun. The Dread Ilk are CONSIDERABLY more prepared for any form of conflict than all the Swastika Panties combined. Nate alone probably outguns them all.

They bitch about Jews. We write and publish military manuals utilized by more than one national armed force.

I and many others perceive that Mike's strategy is enriching himself and is doing it by selling rehashed motivational advice to gammas.

That's ridiculous. Why would he make Silenced? That was a massive effort. He could have written three motivational books and made a lot more money. Why would he waste so much of his time in places like Romania and Washington DC? Do you think he's simply that stupid or are your assumptions incorrect?

Blogger Dr Caveman January 24, 2017 1:41 PM  

In that sense, the hard left branding themselves as anti-fascists is excellent marketing, because whoever they protest must be a fascist and a Nazi
The right needs something similar...

Anonymous Swed January 24, 2017 1:42 PM  

Theirs is the ideology of the Gulag but for now they have to settle for just sucker punching their political opponents.

Blogger Bard January 24, 2017 1:43 PM  

I like Spencer, but that is funny. I rate it 8/10 KEKS.

Few have experience with real violence. It changes you. The left truly believe safe spaces exist. Wait until Mythbusters dispels that fairytale.

Anonymous Eduardo January 24, 2017 1:47 PM  

Dr Caveman

Yes the Right has something like that. The Truth. Just show people what the left does, and soon their positions will sound so phoney people would not even be able to dare voting Left.

There is definately something out there the Left Ruined that can swing people to the Right's side, doesn't matter who is it. Except maybe the psychos.

Blogger Steve Lawrence January 24, 2017 1:50 PM  

Which one of you Good Goys doxxed Mike Enoch? Anyone here admitting credit for that yet?

Anonymous User January 24, 2017 1:56 PM  

That's ridiculous. Why would he make Silenced? That was a massive effort. He could have written three motivational books and made a lot more money. Why would he waste so much of his time in places like Romania and Washington DC? Do you think he's simply that stupid or are your assumptions incorrect?

Mike is fully aware of the value of growing his talent stack. Why stop at best-selling author when he can be an award winning film-maker too? In DC he added party planning to his talent stack. I have no idea what he did in Romania but I doubt it was a waste. He knows as well as we do that selling self-help books to gammas has limited upside. Please don't claim I insulted his intelligence or ability when I've done nothing but acknowledge that he is a formidable man. My concern is solely whether or not he is on the side of the West and will remain so.

Anonymous Eduardo January 24, 2017 1:59 PM  

Oh that is dude with the Supposedly Jewish wife according to my in depth 2 minute long search on the web.

Yeaahhhh you got the wrong site. Here let's think about it: Who in the Alt-Right Blames jews for all the problems in society?

hint: It is not in this site ;-)

Blogger Nate January 24, 2017 2:00 PM  

"Nate alone probably outguns them all."

with just the guns on display in the office. Which is just scratching the surface.

Blogger Gaiseric January 24, 2017 2:02 PM  

Viidad wrote:An argument could be made that WWII was simply a continuation of WWI in which the USA jumped in against Germany on behalf of the Brits.
That argument has been made quite explicitly (and convincingly), by John V. Denson in his book Reassessing the Presidency published by the von Mises Institute.

Blogger Nate January 24, 2017 2:07 PM  

"Which one of you Good Goys doxxed Mike Enoch?"

never heard of her.

But if she's someone who actually fears being doxxed... then she's obviously not ready to get in the octagon.

Blogger Were-Puppy January 24, 2017 2:07 PM  

@87 Dr Caveman
The right needs something similar...
---

We have plenty - they are all SJWs or Pizza Monsters

Blogger Were-Puppy January 24, 2017 2:09 PM  

@91 Steve Lawrence
Which one of you Good Goys doxxed Mike Enoch? Anyone here admitting credit for that yet?
---
I dont know anything about him but his last name sounds jewish

Blogger Orville January 24, 2017 2:12 PM  

This is a fucking circular firing squad! Get a life people. What a wasted thread. Gawd you'd think there were Nazi's everywhere. You all have been taking LSD while watching "Man in the High Castle".

Anonymous User January 24, 2017 2:12 PM  

Nate wrote:"Which one of you Good Goys doxxed Mike Enoch?"

never heard of her.

But if she's someone who actually fears being doxxed... then she's obviously not ready to get in the octagon.



He's just a kid, most of them are. I hope he enjoys his crash course in anti-fragility.

There are formidable men over at TRS though. The Vandal brothers are the two most high profile.

Anonymous Dan January 24, 2017 2:13 PM  

89. Bard
Changes you? No it doesn't. You just adapt to it, it becomes part of everyday life. It's actually good because living in dangerous neighbourhoods makes you see minorities as retarded apes, not as helpless victims.

Anonymous BBGKB January 24, 2017 2:19 PM  

You guys talk tough, but none of you have ever punched anyone or taken a punch.

Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face.

Blogger Robert What? January 24, 2017 2:23 PM  

Why are we falling into this trap of associating everything Nazi with evil? Hitler was a vegetarian. Does that mean that vegetarians are suspect? Well, vegans maybe.

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 24, 2017 2:23 PM  

Spencer and the Nazi saluting was thrown in my face by family members. Yeah, it causes problems.

Keeping it short, I just asked my kinfolks: So, you think me a Nazi?

That ended that nonsense.

Anonymous #8601 January 24, 2017 2:27 PM  

The Alt Right is dead

I believe Cerno and others define Alt-Right as Alt-White, in which case they are probably right. But if one uses VD's broader definition of the Alt-Right, in which the Alt-White is one small subset, then it is certainly NOT dead.

Blogger Gaiseric January 24, 2017 2:27 PM  

Eduardo wrote:We will play Gazebo's "I Like Chopin" 7 minute-long version from Loud Speekers from the top of every tall buidling!
I haven't heard that song in years. And now it's stuck in my head. (shakes fist) EDUARDO!!!

Shadilay aside, I'm not really sure that italo-disco is going to ever be taken seriously as the soundtrack of the alt.right...

Blogger Avalanche January 24, 2017 2:32 PM  

(To explain to those who don't get the depth of ... mind-blindness ... in the propagandized population:)

When I first met my late husband, a true Southern gentleman, he took me to Stone Mountain, to show me his heroes. (Raised a NYer, I had only the barest -- but strongly inculcated -- knowledge about the eeeevil Southerners.) In our discussions, I was completely astonished when he said that, no, the Battle Hymn of the Republic was NOT his national anthem; HE was a son of the South! That they had LOST the war did not mean he had switched his allegiance to the conquerors. (!!!)

He was (and I later chose to consider myself) a Nazi. Not "Neo"-Nazis (wasn't it Vox who wrote here the "Neo"s have no knowledge about the actual programs, plans, and history of the National Socialists?); but sorrowful, living behind enemy lines, Nazis. Too bad. What he and I considered the last gasp of White Europe had been strangled. (Anything that comes out of this next Crusade will likely NOT be Europe...)

Wishing and hoping (and LARPing) that we could go back 70 years is fruitless -- in fact is damaging! It does not MATTER whether the Germans were right; it's history, it's over, we lost: learn to live behind enemy lines and start to convert the sheep.

The South may rise again, but the Nazi's won't.

Anonymous 3000Feet January 24, 2017 2:35 PM  

Spencer's dubious assumption (assuming he thought this through at all (doubtful)) is that he could be edgy, provocative, and overturn 6 decades worth of full court press cultural programming that the Nazis were the only true villains of the 20th Century. What he ended doing was simply throwing red meat to the feeble minded who were famished for some confirmation of their Alt-Right = Monster fantasy. He ended up making a lot of peoples lives quite precarious in order to feed his ego needs for attention. He also failed to understand that you build your credibility up with pain staking precision, and forethought. When the fate of western civ is at stake, you don't just wing it for hoots & hollers.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 24, 2017 2:36 PM  

Spencer's problem is that he's from Generation Attention Whore.

Anonymous Galactic Starfleets of Deplorable Spartacus January 24, 2017 2:37 PM  

Besides, the new White House website doesn't even allow German-language content anymore-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4148978/White-House-English-website-nixing-Spanish-content.html

Anonymous Eduardo January 24, 2017 2:37 PM  

Imagine the Power Gazebo will have on the weak-minded!!!

As a matter of fact I heard this song when I had 8... Best mental-trip indulced by music ever, every single time the beginning of the song started playing it gave me goosebumps. I guess I was born 10 years too late.

But yeah we can just add any song, it could just be a 24 hour long DJ gig. We can even broadcast Hitler's speeches XD, now that ought be funny, especially if done EXACTLY when they are marching engry through the streets, the result was demonstrated in "Mars Attacks!" movie.

Anonymous BBGKB January 24, 2017 2:41 PM  

OT: Podesta not the only one doing spirit cooking https://warisboring.com/praying-for-death-blood-sacrifice-and-drug-cartels-in-latin-america-befc85364f07#.c9h37tjxy

Blogger S1AL January 24, 2017 2:43 PM  

Once again, since the monomaniacal struggle with it so much: the point of rhetoric is not too convert the opposition. It is to discredit the opposition, and sway the undecided. 99%+ of Americans think Nazism is a wholely evil, failed ideology for losers. You're not going to change that.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 24, 2017 2:44 PM  

@Treason

Retard much?

Blogger Mr. B.A.D. January 24, 2017 2:46 PM  

Yeah. The 16 points help. I've referred to them several times in having to explain how alt-right isn't Nazi.

Blogger VD January 24, 2017 2:47 PM  

Which one of you Good Goys doxxed Mike Enoch? Anyone here admitting credit for that yet?

Why would we have done that? I didn't even know about it until well after the fact. And I think Mike heard about it from me.

What would it have gotten us? Wouldn't one of the Jewish wife's friends be a little more likely candidate for unmasking Nazis?

Anonymous DDT January 24, 2017 2:49 PM  

Spencer's dubious assumption (assuming he thought this through at all (doubtful)) is that he could be edgy, provocative, and overturn 6 decades worth of full court press cultural programming that the Nazis were the only true villains of the 20th Century.

I wonder how much of Spencer's antics are animated by the idea that standing up boldly to the full-on media assault is necessary to gain traction. To some degree that's true. Trump's whole campaign was largely one extended exercise of questioning whether the warning of "This is The Thing You Can't Say, The Idea You Can't Assert" was really valid. At least for him, a lot of that turned out to be complete bullshit.

But I wonder how many people realize, Trump wasn't just bold. He was a combination of bold and very, very fucking smart. He makes things look easy, and that's an illusion.

Anonymous David-093 January 24, 2017 2:49 PM  

"Spencer's problem is that he's from Generation Attention Whore."

He's an Xer, not a Millennial.

Anonymous TheShrike January 24, 2017 2:52 PM  

I'm getting quite a bit of flak on Twitter for defending this post against Hunter Wallace's new piece. Man, these people are dumb. I like a lot of Spencer's stuff too, but I think the LARPers are a disgrace.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 24, 2017 2:53 PM  

@bz
Then be prepared to get shot in a cold, wet field, akong with all of your friends.

Blogger Student in Blue January 24, 2017 2:54 PM  

Vaguely on the topic of rhetoric and fighting the fight, I was reading some fiction on the web when I ran across this line (admittedly by a disturbed individual):

“Above a diligent bastard is an insensitive bastard, and above an insensitive bastard is an insane bastard. That’s why, if you want to win at war then you need to first become a crazy bastard.”

It's unclear to me just how accurate the author is via his character, but there's a very interesting parallel between Ilk in the past growing into "We Don't Care", with the diligent and insensitive bastards.

It'll be interesting to see if we morph into something that the uninformed outsider believes to be craziness, if we're not at that stage already. After all, there's a very fine line between genius and insanity.

Anonymous BBGKB January 24, 2017 2:59 PM  

What would it have gotten us? Wouldn't one of the Jewish wife's friends be a little more likely candidate for unmasking Nazis?

Not if it was controlled opposition.

OT: for everyone asking why DACA wasn't repealed day 1
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/01/24/no-president-trump-does-not-need-to-take-immediate-action-on-daca-heres-why/#more-127610

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/01/24/no-president-trump-does-not-need-to-take-immediate-action-on-daca-heres-why/#more-127610

Blogger VD January 24, 2017 3:00 PM  

I'm getting quite a bit of flak on Twitter for defending this post against Hunter Wallace's new piece.

I am amused by the bizarre connections he thinks I'm drawing. Especially when he manages to completely miss the point. The Communications Gap strikes again!

Blogger Ransom Smith January 24, 2017 3:04 PM  

Vox, with the talk of Nazism, here's a question for you.

What are your thoughts on Bismark?

Anonymous TLM January 24, 2017 3:06 PM  

@122 That article was written in the language of pure cuckanese. Afraid of McCain, Grahman, blah blah blah. Trump needs to act now, this is why he was put there, not f*cking pipelines & overseas abortion money.

Anonymous Bz January 24, 2017 3:09 PM  

Only with blanks, I hope, or the Gettysburg meet will become kind of lonely.

Blogger Basil Makedon January 24, 2017 3:10 PM  

There are a few things I reread every once and awhile to reground, reset or test my current thinking against previous thoughts.

This essay is one of those items. It might seem a bit off topic, because it is superficially about AQ and is a bit dated (2002) but I think some of you will get the point:

http://www.hoover.org/research/al-qaedas-fantasy-ideology

Blogger S1AL January 24, 2017 3:13 PM  

"I am amused by the bizarre connections he thinks I'm drawing. Especially when he manages to completely miss the point. The Communications Gap strikes again!"

I don't know how you can read "Spencer's stupidity opened him up to a rhetorical beatdown," and walk away concluding "Vox said Spencer deserved to be punched in the face." Either Hunter is far dumber than I thought, or he's proceeding from false assumptions. And the "guys, Vox isn't even white!!11!!" commenters are as hilarious as always.

Anonymous Gen. Kong January 24, 2017 3:14 PM  

Spencer's problem is that he thinks he knows how to deal with the (((fake news))) but he really does not. He does not comprehend that they are an enemy who needs to be destroyed. The fact that some antifa sucker-punched him - twice - also demonstrates a failure to understand that these are not folks who are going to be reasoned with via gentlemanly political discourse. He should have had his own wall of meat if he didn't have the physical ability to fight them on his own or weaponry to deal with them in short order.

Anonymous DissidentRight January 24, 2017 3:17 PM  

I originally heard about Spencer through this blog.

Him being punched bothers me because he is white and says controversial things. However, he should know perfectly well that this is war, and walking into an ambush is stupid.

People should stop taking it personally when Vox points out that many (the "vast majority") of us are not prepared to deal with thugs or be anywhere near a camera. It's true. So get prepared.

If the thought of being sucked-punched by a literal shit-eating goon does not motivate you, I have no idea what will.

Anonymous TheShrike January 24, 2017 3:17 PM  

I am amused by the bizarre connections he thinks I'm drawing. Especially when he manages to completely miss the point. The Communications Gap strikes again"

That was essentially my point. That he missed the argument. I lost so much respect for these people in the last 20 minutes. This guy Julius Ebola kept coming after me until he said "I am tired of making this argument. Done it so many times. We will blaze a path, and Vox will make you a 'safe' brand. Oven jokes are funny. We will LARP because we don't care. We ARE NOT A BRAND"
The funniest part was, "We don't need you in our movement because we have the numbers to be choosy!"
I'm pretty sure you mentioned something about them just wanting an echo-chamber for LARPing is all they really care about.

I've got the Jesus Mindset, so I'm good at keeping my cool while they start to get agitated. Then, when you point out their growing agitation, it's "NO, you are!"

Blogger Degenerate Slayer January 24, 2017 3:17 PM  

VD wrote:Perhaps you may recall my advice post-NPI: don't talk to the media on camera or on the phone.

To be fair, Richard Spencer operates on a fairly interpersonal visual medium because that is where he excels the most, and where he has made much improvement over the years. Seeing a real person - who actually looks presentable - argue for something is far more persuasive than simply reading a quotation from a name you probably never heard of. Being able to put the faces of well-spoken people behind ideas which are derided as horrible fascist hate can have a humanizing effect on them.

Those are at least some positives. I support Richard Spencer and this assault on him could just as well been recorded had he not been speaking to media, captured on a phone or something. Cowardly anti-fa violence can happen to anyone.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) January 24, 2017 3:19 PM  

113. S1AL January 24, 2017 2:43 PM
99%+ of Americans think Nazism is a wholely evil, failed ideology for losers. You're not going to change that.


of course it's a failed ideology for losers. it says "Socialist Worker's Party" right there in the name.

the point isn't to rehabilitate National Socialism, it's to point out that NatSoc works just as well as ( probably better than ) International Socialism.

why would anyone have expected a result different than what Lenin and Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot and Shining Path gave?



116. VD January 24, 2017 2:47 PM
What would it have gotten us? Wouldn't one of the Jewish wife's friends be a little more likely candidate for unmasking Nazis?



amusing that the Jewish wife appeared on the Daily Shoah more than once, making racist comments herself.

Jews, running the fake racist front orgs that the FBI and CIA haven't gotten around to creating yet.

makes you wonder how much the SPLC is paying them.

Blogger Someguy January 24, 2017 3:21 PM  

Why would Spencer stop going on camera? He has taken his lumps(literally), but people are so quick to forget the good he has done. I have personally used his videos to great effect in helping to explain my positions. There is a reason he is targeted so harshly. It is because he is effective. Is he perfect? Nope.

As for the whole nazi question, Spencer is not a nazi, and fewer and fewer people care about the holocaust and WW2 in general as time goes on. Folks, there will come a point where WW2 will just another conflict in history. I know that is hard to conceive right now because of your upbringing, but it will happen. In fact the "browning" of America will accelerate it. The only people that care about WW2 are Jews and Whites. No one else cares about it other than that they can use the term "nazi" to bash Whites over the head.

Anonymous TheShrike January 24, 2017 3:23 PM  

Oh yeah,"Stop tagging Spencer!" was another good one. I'm not uber well versed on Alpha\Beta stuff besides having grown up with a brother who became a Green Beret and Bronze Star recipient, so I know Mr. Ebola is not one of the Alphas from that response.

Sometimes, a good back and forth with these types is a good reminder of what it actually means to be intelligent.

Blogger Silly But True January 24, 2017 3:24 PM  

Trump was best to have written but one executive order on Day 1: "All Executive Orders since Jan. 20, 1989 are hereby rescinded."

First, no single issue would be highlighted. Next, the media would be frenzied trying to divine what of Obama's legacy remained vs. what did not. DACA would have been rolled up with a bunch of other crap.

From there, Trump could then begin issuing laser focused EOs on new legislation subsequent to 1989 if need be; i.e. Obamacare limits. And also EOs to reiterate with emphasis if need be: "repeal" of TPP which was not being executed as a law anyway.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros January 24, 2017 3:24 PM  

"It'll be interesting to see if we morph into something that the uninformed outsider believes to be craziness, if we're not at that stage already. After all, there's a very fine line between genius and insanity."

My first exposure to what Vox said about Africans-can't-do-Western-civilization was physically painful. Rest assured, you are well past that point by now.

Blogger S1AL January 24, 2017 3:24 PM  

"the point isn't to rehabilitate National Socialism, it's to point out that NatSoc works just as well as ( probably better than ) International Socialism."

A) You already failed by favorably comparing Nazism to something. Even if it's accurate, it's bad rhetoric.

B) I'll believe that when I see it happen, and not "hail our people" with associated salute.

C) Yes, obviously, and the correct framing is "Just as bad as Hitler", not "Hitler was better than..."

Anonymous TheShrike January 24, 2017 3:25 PM  

To be fair to Spencer, I have heard him say the Nazi LARPing needs to be put to rest in order for the Alt-Right to become a more serious movement. I don't see him LARPing himself.

Blogger Gaiseric January 24, 2017 3:27 PM  

S1AL wrote:99%+ of Americans think Nazism is a wholely evil, failed ideology for losers. You're not going to change that.
It was. So what if it was better than the Soviets and that if we really had to back one evil dictator to defeat the other (a dubious proposition to begin with) that we should have allied with Hitler against Stalin? We should have left them both to rot.

I do think it's kinda funny that Neville Chamberlain gets so much flack for being the appeaser and Roosevelt doesn't. Roosevelt was so hard for Stalin that he probably had orgasms every time he looked at him.

Blogger ThePainTrain January 24, 2017 3:30 PM  

I really don't think this assault is being viewed as positively as you think. While the far left is jumping for joy over the attack on Richard, normal people seem to be counter signaling the left's cheering over physical attacks for political beliefs. Hell, Jontron, one of youtubes biggest personalities who says nothing about politcs (outside of counter signaling the craziest SJWs) said that the attack on Spencer was wrong (and never even countersingaled with a "Richard's beliefs are bad, but..". He just went straight to political violence is inexcusable).

Blogger S1AL January 24, 2017 3:31 PM  

@Gaiseric - Yeah, I'm fairly certain that FDR's greatest regret was being born into the least authoritarian-amenable country on the planet.

Blogger Cicatrizatic January 24, 2017 3:34 PM  

@140. Churchill was also enamored by Stalin. There is a passage in his letters from WW2 in which he chides Chamberlain for having trusted Hitler at Munich, and then, in the very next sentence, states flatly that "I don't believe Stalin will do the same to me." It's quoted in Buchanan's WW2 book.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 24, 2017 3:39 PM  

@132
To be fair, Richard Spencer operates on a fairly interpersonal visual medium because that is where he excels the most, and where he has made much improvement over the years.

That stupid HitlerJugend haircut put me off before he even opened his mouth. It's not as bad as if he grew a tiny little Charlie Chaplin moustache, but it's pretty close.
Shave the head, or grow normal looking hair. Stop hair-LARPing.

He's still not ready for standup video. His situational awareness is zero for a start.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 24, 2017 3:50 PM  

The big picture is that the Alt White comes with a built in image problem.

"Nazis are bad," isn't the end product of an education that carefully taught people through history, economics and political philosophy.

"Nazis are bad," is a narrative stereotype and has been our cultural mainstream for seventy years.

This is from John C. Wright: The defining characteristic of stereotypes is that they are unadmitted, unthinking, unconscious and unselfconscious, and using a stereotype in an expected way brings to the reader’s attention that he has these stereotypical sets of assumptions floating around in the back of his mind — and many a reader (especially readers who think of themselves as thoughtful) is a little miffed to discover that these unthinking assumptions are there, or are being played upon.

You can't hope to defeat a stereotype unless you control all of the media in a way that not even the Media does anymore.

Which is why association with Nazism is still effective rhetoric.

I've gotten so used to being called a Nazi I could barely figure out what the problem was here.

I was rather surprised that Red Skull and I seemed to suddenly see eye to eye on so many things, to include using Millennial as suicide bombers. (*The secret is to tell them they are best and most unique suicide bomber there has ever been.*) I think Red Skull and I still have major disagreements about free market economics as well as First and very much especially Second Amendment rights, (the Nazis weren't too big on either of those).

Blogger Gaiseric January 24, 2017 3:51 PM  

FFS, he does have normal hair. You only think it's a Hitler Jugend haircut because Richard Spencer has it. When Brad Pitt and Adam Levine had the same haircut, nobody said they had a Nazi haircut.

Anonymous Eduardo January 24, 2017 3:51 PM  

Spencer obviously think he is WAYYYY too smart and way too loveable for that to happen.

How much will you bet he right now wants to murder the guy who hitted him? He just have a unrealistic view of himself and the situation, if he was afraid he might got hit he would have moved close to the wall and never gave his back to anyone, but he thinks everybody there is understandable, well at least was not and that is all it takes to start a fight.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 24, 2017 3:52 PM  

Sad to see Vox so eager to sign on with Slave Ray and the Antifags...

OpenID elijahrhodes January 24, 2017 3:54 PM  

Even Prager correctly understands we are in the nascent stages of Civil War II, but oy vey, how many errors can one find in this paragraph:

"Liberalism -- which was anti-left, pro-American and deeply committed to the Judeo-Christian foundations of America; and which regarded the melting pot as the American ideal, fought for free speech for its opponents, regarded Western civilization as the greatest moral and artistic human achievement and viewed the celebration of racial identity as racism -- is now affirmed almost exclusively on the right and among a handful of people who don't call themselves conservative.”

1. The Judeo-Christian Oxymoron.
2. The melting pot lie.
3. The racial identity is racism lie.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/01/24/americas_second_civil_war_132880.html

Blogger VD January 24, 2017 3:57 PM  

What are your thoughts on Bismark?

A greatly skilled politician, but ultimately disastrous for his nation.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 24, 2017 3:59 PM  

FFS, he does have normal hair.

No. I've seen high 'n tight, I've worn high 'n tight, that's not what Spencer's hairdo looks like.

You only think it's a Hitler Jugend haircut because Richard Spencer has it.

Dude, I know what I see, and before I knew who "that guy" was I wondered "WTF is he wearing that cut for?"

When Brad Pitt and Adam Levine had the same haircut, nobody said they had a Nazi haircut.

So? I didn't see them with that cut, so I don't know what they looked like. As for "nobody", I don't care.

Spencer on that face-punch video looks like an extra for some kind of badly made, SciFy channel "NAZI time traveler" movie. It's a stupid optic, just as stupid as the LARPy kid who showed up at Shia Laboef's livecam wearing a Feldgrau hat.

Look, this stupid stuff is like walking into church with your zipper down and your underwear hanging out, that's how stupid it is. Getting other men to walk around with open fly and stuff hanging out won't make it cool, either.

LARPing is stupid. Doing it with your hair is still stupid.
Dude, I thought the "Alt-Retard" label was too harsh but I'm coming around on that point.

Blogger VD January 24, 2017 3:59 PM  

Sad to see Vox so eager to sign on with Slave Ray and the Antifags...

Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing. Morons.

You guys can't even take criticism of obvious stupidity without declaring war and blindly attacking. No wonder you idolize historical losers. That's why you are, and will continue to be, irrelevant.

Blogger Old Ez January 24, 2017 4:00 PM  

@100 - FYI, the Vandals are hardest of hardcore Nazis in the Alt Right. Do you think Space Marine Rape Gangs is just a meme?

Blogger Cicatrizatic January 24, 2017 4:00 PM  

@149. That Prager paragraph is pretty much the same pseudo-history that Ben Shapiro and Andrew Klavan peddle.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 24, 2017 4:05 PM  

@149

What year is Prager writing from, 1994? 1986? For sure he's not anywhere near Current Year. This is as bad as that stupid video Geraghty made, where "Ward Cleaver was a stud!" was his main argument.

Maybe we could get Prager to hire Spencer. That would be entertainment.

Blogger Bard January 24, 2017 4:21 PM  

#stophairlarping

Blogger Bard January 24, 2017 4:21 PM  

Hair larping, that made me laugh

Blogger VFM #7634 January 24, 2017 4:26 PM  

Dude, I thought the "Alt-Retard" label was too harsh but I'm coming around on that point.

I'd go with "Alt-Gamma".

People already hate Gammas, so those who LARP as Nazis are just asking for a beatdown.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 24, 2017 4:36 PM  

@VD
"Sad to see Vox so eager to sign on with Slave Ray and the Antifags...

Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing. Morons."

Ya gotta admit, it's got potential as a band name, though. Maybe a kind of a retro-gay-punk look. You could even mime beating up da evil not-sees as part of your act-- maybe some blond, blue-eyed guy in an SS uniform? Throw in some BDSM gear, and you've got a show.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) January 24, 2017 4:37 PM  

FFS, he does have normal hair. You only think it's a Hitler Jugend haircut because Richard Spencer has it. When Brad Pitt and Adam Levine had the same haircut, nobody said they had a Nazi haircut.

Wrong.

From 2014:

Many stars have been rocking what we could call an Extreme Hitler Youth (but let's not) for some time, though Brad Pitt really classed it up when he debuted his haircut at the Academy Awards in March. Before Pitt, David Beckham, the aforementioned Michael Pitt, Miguel and Justin Timberlake were seen with versions of the look. Recently Adam Levine has been spotted with it, except this time he's made it super hype by shaving just one side of his head, while the other remains just short.

http://jezebel.com/this-is-the-haircut-every-dude-you-know-is-getting-1563929769

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 24, 2017 4:40 PM  

@158. VFM #7634

Keep in mind there is difference between Gamma and Omega.

Blogger SteelPalm January 24, 2017 4:42 PM  

@155 Maybe we could get Prager to hire Spencer

Wouldn't be the first time a Jew hired and mentored Spencer.

Older folks like Prager and Klavan are nice enough, and I think the latter is damn funny with his short videos (seriously, look them up), but they're hopelessly behind the times.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 24, 2017 4:49 PM  

Keep in mind there is difference between Gamma and Omega.

@161 Cataline
Sure, but they do have significant overlap: pedantry, sperging, social blindness, creepiness, tendency to oneitis, etc.

Anonymous c0pperheaded January 24, 2017 4:50 PM  

The Dread Ilk are CONSIDERABLY more prepared for any form of conflict than all the Swastika Panties combined. Nate alone probably outguns them all.

Well, I was well prepared, but my fishing boat sank last weekend with all my firearms inside.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros January 24, 2017 4:58 PM  

"Keep in mind there is difference between Gamma and Omega."

Mostly, the difference between saying you don't care that people don't like you, and ACTUALLY not caring that people don't like you because to hell with all of them.

Blogger Jakob Niedzwiecki January 24, 2017 5:11 PM  

My grandfather killed both Nazis and Commies. I'm on his side.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian January 24, 2017 5:16 PM  

@151 @160

In Texas, you walk into the barber shop and ask for an undercut. Voila mes amis.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 24, 2017 5:16 PM  

But a heck of a battleship.

Blogger Ezekiel January 24, 2017 5:18 PM  

VD wrote:We have it on good authority that only Vox and Mike Cernovich are ready when the punches start flying.

Watch the Spencer videos again. Look at Mike Enoch or whatever his name is. These are not people who have ever stepped into a ring, or, I suspect, ever even fired a gun. The Dread Ilk are CONSIDERABLY more prepared for any form of conflict than all the Swastika Panties combined. Nate alone probably outguns them all.

They bitch about Jews. We write and publish military manuals utilized by more than one national armed force.

One good thing about Spencer and other doughy gamma LARPers is they they do, in fact, make such good punching bags for SJW's. They wouldn't try something like this on the God Emperor or one of y'all because they haven't (yet) worked their way up to signing their own death warrants. But they'll eventually make a misjudgement, and if they keep working to normalize political violence[1] then the repercussions will be truly apocalyptic for them.

(I really like Tom Kratman's previous suggestion of having the military pull a Charlie Hebdo on WaPo before marching on one of the colleges.)

1. Yes I know that Spencer's a "Nazi" and therefore beyond the normal coniderations of a civilized society. But then Trump, Cruz, Ben Carson, all of their voters, Benjamin Netanyahu and most Israelis, and every Republican presidential candidate since Dewey are also "Nazis", so many Americans will doubtless come down on the side of the Nazis.

Anonymous Jay Will January 24, 2017 5:19 PM  

The winners get to to do the fight write up. If you lose your ALL Nazis's or equivalent. And you ALWAYS started it.

The US govt has been lying about its aggressive empire for the last century. They paint themselves as toppling bad guys, its lies to manufacture consent. Their lies have worked, there is no intrinsic reason why the truth will out. Its little stretch to regard a large proportion of the great war narrative as a lie. Particularly, the moral narrative and the financial narrative. Who funded the German war machine? Rich Jews? Bankers?

If the US empire comes crumbling down, the last century wont be regarded as the death of freedom, the victors will badge it as the death of an authoritarian empire and show its worst colours.

There is nothing intrinsic to evil that makes its demise inevitable. On the contrary history shows that evil killers, liars, and schemers succeed over and over again. Embrace evil if you want to win. To be good handicaps you. If skinning children alive effectively scares the opposition to surrender, its worked. That it is evil is irrelevant.

Blogger S1AL January 24, 2017 5:27 PM  

What level of cognitive dissonance is required to bitch about the United States and then advocate for skinning children alive?

Blogger Rusty Fife January 24, 2017 5:35 PM  

bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) wrote:Jews, running the fake racist front orgs that the FBI and CIA haven't gotten around to creating yet

That's news to me.

Anonymous VFM #6306 January 24, 2017 5:36 PM  

Hitler reacts to the Spencer memes.

Blogger Alexandros January 24, 2017 5:45 PM  

I'm a little confused: is Richard spencer actually a nazi for all intents and purposes? If not, what exactly is he trying to accomplish?

Anonymous Jay Will January 24, 2017 5:50 PM  

@S1AL

Your deliberately misrepresenting what I said.

Anonymous VFM #6306 January 24, 2017 5:58 PM  

No. Richard Spencer is a white identitarian who advocates for a white homeland and peaceful ethnic cleansing. So he's maybe a utopian who has gotten called Nazi enough times that he kind of half-way embraces the slur. The actual Nazi-LARPers think he's cool because of his haircut and "close enough for the ignorant" rhetoric that makes them think he could be Hitler as soon as he earns just a little more Kampf.

All of that is too nuanced for most people, and his Nazi vibe is enough for the regular conditioned Nazi-hating American. Add to that his own idiocy of painting a target on his back, embracing the public, but forgetting basic security principles (which would have gotten him long-knived by the SS if he had been around in Nazi days).

https://infogalactic.com/info/Richard_B._Spencer

Blogger S1AL January 24, 2017 6:01 PM  

@Jay Will - You said, and quote: "embrace evil if you want to win". Own what you said.

Blogger VD January 24, 2017 6:08 PM  

is Richard spencer actually a nazi for all intents and purposes? If not, what exactly is he trying to accomplish?

No. Garner enough attention and support to set up a think tank, if I understand correctly.

Anonymous Eduardo January 24, 2017 6:12 PM  

I love how Hitler is man of vision XD.

"At least those Dank Memes yo"

Anonymous Eduardo January 24, 2017 6:17 PM  

btw... so the supreme court ruled that the Parliament must vote for Brexit.

Could it be they will force Britains to stay?!?

Looks like the Age of Ultras is upon thy.

Anonymous Hesiod January 24, 2017 6:18 PM  

Also as American as apple pie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdnA-ESWcPs&feature=youtu.be&t=110

Blogger Nate January 24, 2017 6:20 PM  

"No. Garner enough attention and support to set up a think tank, if I understand correctly"

Does he realize its not 1978?

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros January 24, 2017 6:21 PM  

@181
Perhaps that may be useful rhetoric the next time a would-be Muslim terrorist is stopped in the act. But until that exact situation makes national news, it cannot be.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 24, 2017 6:21 PM  

@179
Garner enough attention and support to set up a think tank, if I understand correctly.

Really? Sigh. Probably right. Sure, great plan, it worked so well for the libertarians, the TEA party, the old school GOP, etc. over the last 40 years. Wrong century, wrong tactics.

Blogger SirHamster January 24, 2017 6:22 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:Dude, I thought the "Alt-Retard" label was too harsh but I'm coming around on that point.

I'd go with "Alt-Gamma".

People already hate Gammas, so those who LARP as Nazis are just asking for a beatdown.


The Secret Nazis are the Secret Kings of the future rebuilt society!

Anonymous Hesiod January 24, 2017 6:30 PM  

@183

I believe you're right:

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/12/10/ohio-state-student-protesters-claim-police-went-too-far-by-shooting-killing-islamic-terrorist/

Anonymous VFM #6306 January 24, 2017 6:31 PM  

"No. Garner enough attention and support to set up a think tank, if I understand correctly"

Does he realize its not 1978?


Does he realize that's not how to take a punch?

Blogger Derrick Bonsell January 24, 2017 6:32 PM  

Spencer's profile is now higher than ever.

That punch was the best thing that's happened to him in a while, your fascination with memes aside.

Anonymous VFM #6306 January 24, 2017 6:36 PM  

Madonna has a high profile too.

Anonymous Jay Will January 24, 2017 6:42 PM  

@S1aL

I am attempting to state reality as it is not as I want it to be. There are any number of historical examples of evil "working". Look at gang wars that escalate, groups back down BECAUSE the opposition took the most evil path.

How do you combat evil if evil adds strings to your bow? What if evil is an advantage in life? Not in the barefaced evil of beheading innocents but by undermining societies through deception, by buying mercenaries to pretend to be "rebels". Is it evil to do this?? US funds people to do this. Because it WORKS.

That evil works is a statement of reality. Im arguing that to fight evil you either need good plus extra capacity (the US can do nicer war/killing due to massive advantages), or you need to choose better evil.

Higher ups know that evil is just how the game is played. Meanwhile the sheep are kept away from this reality as much as possible.

Watch as evil escalates in the USA. It will get uglier and uglier because evil WORKS.

Im telling the truth. Dont pretend to me you dont know where all this is heading. Mass genocidal rages are about to be unleashed, many will lay down and die. If you fight you will choose evil as your friend because it WORKS.




Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 24, 2017 6:46 PM  

Madonna has a high profile too.

Plastic surgery is really amazing now, isn't it?

Blogger Nate January 24, 2017 6:48 PM  

"That punch was the best thing that's happened to him in a while, your fascination with memes aside."

Dude. He got punched by one of the 10 biggest pussies on the planet.. and he ran away crying.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 24, 2017 6:49 PM  

how are you going to fix the line between banning Nazi imagery and cucking on vital political interests?

Displaying the imagery of ancient, failed political parties is not a vital political interest.

Blogger SteelPalm January 24, 2017 6:52 PM  

@169

and every Republican presidential candidate since Dewey are also "Nazis", so many Americans will doubtless come down on the side of the Nazis.

You're giving them too much credit. FDR, an evil son-of-a-bitch himself who condoned/admired Hitler, was calling Republicans Nazis while the failed Austrian painter was still alive.
From

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/262157/every-republican-presidential-candidate-hitler-daniel-greenfield

Accusing Republicans of being Hitler for assorted petty reasons dates back to the time when Hitler was still around. FDR accused Republican candidate Wendell Willkie of using “Hitler tactics” by repeating his slogans frequently.

Although my personal favorite is still Barry Goldwater, Republican candidate for 1964 and a Jew, being called "Hitler".

Amusingly, Goldwater lost in a landslide in part because influential Republican traitors sought to destroy him, most notably Romney.

Romney's son tried the same thing 52 years later, only it didn't quite work...

Anonymous ReluctantMessiah January 24, 2017 6:55 PM  

We don't need to dance for the media to win. We don't need to play-act or engage in theatrics. We need to do nothing more than speak the truth without fear.

Some people just don't like the simple and mundane task of working every day to spread the message. They try to get cute and complicated it backfires. It's like football. It's not about the trick plays and complex elaborate schemes. It's about fundamentals and execution.

Blogger Achilles January 24, 2017 6:56 PM  

I guess it all depends on whether you want the Left to normalize political violence.

I agree he should have brought bodyguards. I agree trusting the media is a foolish endeavor. But if you want blood stirred in the Right. If you want the Left to pick the wrong fight. If you want the ammunition box to be opened? This incident, and the bragging by the entire Left, works well.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 24, 2017 7:02 PM  

Trump to sign some EO's on immigration tomorrow we will see what we see.


@196
I guess it all depends on whether you want the Left to normalize political violence.

Right now it looks like the left is busy doing just that, regardless of what anyone else wants.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 24, 2017 7:09 PM  

"That punch was the best thing that's happened to him in a while, your fascination with memes aside."

Dude. He got punched by one of the 10 biggest pussies on the planet.. and he ran away crying.


@192 Nate
I wasn't aware of that. Yup... Alt-Gamma. A punch from someone like that shouldn't have even hurt.

Anonymous TheBoom January 24, 2017 7:14 PM  

Vox's logic is flawed. Anyone, including Vox, who doesn't want the destruction of white culture and for white's to be made a minority in their own country is considered a Nazi now. The left would use this same meme to support Trump being attacked or anyone else on the right no matter how unNazi like they were. When that loon rushed Trump's stage during the primaries, he was treated as a hero not as a terrorist.

Spencer, unfortunately, plays into their hands by playing along but if it wasn't Spencer being demonized and attacked, it would be someone else. We have to quit caring what lefties think and continue to undermine them like what was done with Fake News.

Blogger S1AL January 24, 2017 7:14 PM  

@Jay Will - Your logic assumes an unjustified binary: effective evil or ineffective good. Your assumption is incorrect. Also, what's with the over-the-top apocalyptica?

Re: Spencer getting punched - every other act of violence by leftist agitators was more relevant than Spencer. See OP for details.

Re: Everyone is Hitler - You know what makes that kind of rhetoric way more effective? Acting like god damn Nazis. Don't act like god damn Nazis.

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