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Wednesday, January 18, 2017

The toll

There is a common phrase one hears among skeptics of biracial relationships between blacks and whites, "burn the coal, pay the toll". But given my background in economics, I couldn't help wondering what, precisely, is the toll? Here are some relevant facts, figures, and probabilities for white women contemplating the costs and benefits of coal-burning.

  • 100 percent greater chance of getting divorced.

Marriages that took place between African American men and white women had twice the potential of ending up in divorce in comparison to marriages involving a white man and a white woman. White female and African American male couples also had the greatest chances of divorce out of all non-white and white marriages.
- "Is Interracial Marriage More Likely to End in Divorce?"

  • 3 percent chance of having legitimate children

92% of biracial children with African American fathers are born out of wedlock,with Caucasian mothers leading in that percentage [at 97%]. 90% of women who have children out of wedlock with African American men will not end up marrying that man, where as 10% will wed,  yet those that wed, or do have their children in wedlock, typically end up a single mother nonetheless due to divorce.
- "Ninety Two Percent: Examining the Birth Trends, Family Structure, Economic Standing, Paternal Relationships, and Emotional Stability of Biracial Children with African American Fathers"

  • 98 percent chance of not being financially supported by the child's father

Does the father of your children support financially? Caucasian: NO 98% YES 2%
- "Ninety Two Percent: Examining the Birth Trends, Family Structure, Economic Standing, Paternal Relationships, and Emotional Stability of Biracial Children with African American Fathers"


  • A one-in-three chance of encountering herpes.

White infection rate: 6 percent. Black infection rate: 32 percent.
- "Percentage of Adults Aged 20--29 Years with Genital Herpes Infection, by Race/Ethnicity", National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey

  • 1,524 percent greater chance of encountering gonorrhea

White male infection rate: 28.8/100,000. Black male infection rate: 467.7/100,000.
- "STD/HIV incidence rates in the US (breakdown by race) 2014", Centers for Disease Control

  • 1,524 percent greater chance of encountering gonorrhea

White male infection rate: 28.8/100,000. Black male infection rate: 467.7/100,000.
- "STD/HIV incidence rates in the US (breakdown by race) 2014", Centers for Disease Control

  • 670 percent greater chance of being murdered 

In this paper we examine patterns and trends in homicides between marriage partners in the United States for 1976 through 1985 using data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Supplemental Homicide Reports (FBI-SHR). We identified 16,595 spouse homicides accounting for 8.8 per cent of all homicides reported to the FBI-SHR during this 10-year period…. The risk of victimization was greater for spouses in interracial than in intraracial marriages … Spouse homicides in marriages where the husband was Black and the wife was White constituted 1.4 per cent of the total … Spouse homicide incidence rates were 7.7 times higher in interracial marriages relative to intraracial marriages.
- “Fatal Violence among Spouses in the United States, 1976-85,” by James A. Mercy and Linda E. Saltzman.

So, that's the toll involved. It's not even close to the cheerful middle-class picture so often presented by the television commercials. In light of the statistical probabilities involved, any parent who remains silent for fear of being called "racist" fully deserves the 18-year penalty that so often results from biracial relationships. I note that any parent who permitted their children to take such similarly high risks in other circumstances would probably be charged with abuse.

On the macro level, the obvious conclusion is that the media's propagandistic push for biracial relationships is just another front in its 52-year war on the family, of every race and color. And on Gab, a biracial individual commented on the truth of these observations concerning illegitimacy and child support: @voxday Hitting me right in the childhood

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Blogger Orville January 18, 2017 8:10 AM  

Sadly facts will not deter the hamster, only strong fathers willing to shame and shun their daughters, and keep them without cars, phones and social media if still in the house.

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Anonymous Luke January 18, 2017 8:12 AM  

Not to mention, way higher chances of being given fun STDs like genital herpes, Hepatitis, HIV, etc. (Blacks both carry these at much higher rates than do whites, and black males are considerably less likely to be faithful when dating or in marriage than are white men.)

Blogger VD January 18, 2017 8:12 AM  

Sadly facts will not deter the hamster

That's untrue. Women are entirely capable of surmounting their base instincts and desires, as are men. And they are considerably less likely to do so in complete ignorance, or worse, when operating under a false conceptual model instilled via media propaganda.

Yes, some foolish women will deny and attempt to defy the odds. But most women are influenced by fear and will not readily embrace high risks in the full knowledge of those risks.

Blogger VD January 18, 2017 8:19 AM  

Good point. I added the rate for gonorrhea, which is 1,524 percent higher for black men than for white men.

Blogger FUCK GOOGLE January 18, 2017 8:25 AM  

It's probably a good strategy to make examples of conspicuous coal-burners as well - if a woman wants to degrade herself, don't pretend that she isn't degraded. When it comes to women, it seems necessary to be cruel to those who make obvious and public mistakes so that the rest will realize the social stigma exists and avoid it. Women are generally much more in tune to social stigma.

Unfortunately, there are many cucks who will white knight for the stigmatized women, but as long as decent, high value men won't give them the time of day it should still be an effective strategy, cucks or no.

Anonymous #5454 January 18, 2017 8:25 AM  

Masterful. This is just masterful. Hits with ferocity of a brick to the head.

Blogger Orville January 18, 2017 8:26 AM  

Just saw an episode of Judge Judy this week where the white woman was suing the former black boyfriend for medical costs for the newborn kid with congenital syphilis from the father. Coal burning disasters are fairly frequent on that show.

Anonymous #8601 January 18, 2017 8:27 AM  

It is amazing what some women will do to avoid being called racist.

Blogger FUCK GOOGLE January 18, 2017 8:32 AM  

@8 Most women will do whatever they feel like if there is no real social consequences (or they can foist the consequences off on some other party). Make coal burning have social consequences and it will decrease quite a bit. I doubt reading statistics will have much of an effect on women who would consider coal burning anyways - but social stigma will effect them or at least the women who see its effects on the coal burner.

Anonymous #5454 January 18, 2017 8:39 AM  

This is aimed more at the parents than the kids so who cares if little lady understands statistics or not

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 18, 2017 8:40 AM  

Thanks, Vox. I'll share that with my daughters. We live in a low risk area for this, but that means we don't get much chance to innoculate against it.

Blogger VD January 18, 2017 8:43 AM  

Most women will do whatever they feel like if there is no real social consequence

Few white women have any desire to support themselves and their children alone. The more who understand that is what they are signing up for when they get involved with black men, the fewer who will be willing to do so.

They don't know that now. I had no idea how bad it was statistically even though I personally observed how NONE of the mixed-race children at Disneyland had a father present. There were white couples with kids, black couples with kids, there were mixed-race couples, there were white women with mixed-race kids but no mixed-race couples with kids.

From the study: "the affiliation between the parties tended to last on average until the disclosure of the pregnancy."

Anonymous Homesteader January 18, 2017 8:51 AM  

You forgot the domestic violence BEFORE the murders!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3611980/#!po=5.78947

OpenID paworldandtimes January 18, 2017 8:58 AM  

A young woman might know all the facts and have the right control over her base impulses, but all it takes is one slip. And that single mistake arrives in the form of a Black suitor who defies the indolent, diseased nigger stereotype.

The best prevention against one "slipping through" begins in early childhood. She has to know and value her own identity, even before she's wary of others.

PA

Blogger Michael Maier January 18, 2017 8:59 AM  

With those kinds of stats.... How is MILO not dead yet?

Blogger Michael Maier January 18, 2017 9:01 AM  

VD wrote:Most women will do whatever they feel like if there is no real social consequence

Few white women have any desire to support themselves and their children alone. The more who understand that is what they are signing up for when they get involved with black men, the fewer who will be willing to do so.

They don't know that now. I had no idea how bad it was statistically even though I personally observed how NONE of the mixed-race children at Disneyland had a father present. There were white couples with kids, black couples with kids, there were mixed-race couples, there were white women with mixed-race kids but no mixed-race couples with kids.

From the study: "the affiliation between the parties tended to last on average until the disclosure of the pregnancy."


Forget Disneyland... how about ANYWHERE? It's damned rare to see a coalburner broad with her mulatto spawn and a man present in any venue whatsoever.

Anonymous #5454 January 18, 2017 9:02 AM  

This joker is unintentionally honest and represents the opinion of the "fathers"

" Cherry mama, please don't die and leave me stuck with these kids!

Blogger JP January 18, 2017 9:04 AM  

Interracial is code for cuck

OpenID elijahrhodes January 18, 2017 9:06 AM  

I've posted this observation before but it's relevant here:

Search Google images for the term "black couple" and the result will be what you expect. 100% images of black couples.

Search Google images for "white couple" and you'll get a lots and lots of black/white couples interspersed with the white ones, along with various other ethnicities.

Blogger chris January 18, 2017 9:11 AM  

What are the statistics on white men viewing white women who do interracial as marriage/commitment worthy (if there are any)?

I imagine the hit that women's long term sexual market value to white men that white women receive from having gone black would be quite the wake up call.

Anonymous #5454 January 18, 2017 9:19 AM  

Once she goes black, she ain't never coming back.

(That's because she is tainted and not wanted.)

Blogger Elizabeth January 18, 2017 9:19 AM  

A friend's mentally-disabled niece was knocked up three times by a black fellow. He pays no child support and only comes to visit infrequently. The girl is on disability and won't pursue him for child support. I assume that the kids get gubmit money because they are dependents of a person on disability. I suggested to my friend before this happened that she should be sterilized as a preventative measure, but legally her parents couldn't do it.

Blogger Elizabeth January 18, 2017 9:25 AM  

A friend remarked that every women he knew who dated black men was rebelling against her parents.

On another note,how many black dads support their black kids? It also goes without saying that a dad is more than a monthly check.

Child support laws are "racist":
http://fusion.net/story/335124/child-support-hurts-poor-parents/


Anonymous Anonymous January 18, 2017 9:30 AM  

Genesis 27:46  Then Rebekah said to Isaac, "I'm sick and tired of these local Hittite women! I would rather die than see Jacob marry one of them."

Anonymous sqeekie January 18, 2017 9:34 AM  

Genesis 27:46  Then Rebekah said to Isaac, "I'm sick and tired of these local Hittite women! I would rather die than see Jacob marry one of them."

Blogger JohnofAustria January 18, 2017 9:35 AM  

B-b-b-b-b-but you can't draw lessons about groups and likely outcomes from trends!

Blogger Michael Maier January 18, 2017 9:38 AM  

NANALT?

Blogger horsewithnonick January 18, 2017 9:40 AM  

Ouch. Those are some brutal numbers - but good to know.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 18, 2017 9:50 AM  

Another leftist screw up propped up by the right. From cucks who believe in all that wordist nonsense (truly the last true believers) to intellectuals who per usual miss the forest for a stunted sapling they obsess over.

Interracial dating cannot be that good because the left simply does not promote it beyond the usual "gift" to black men.

Question of the Left are your friends, use them.

Blogger Dave January 18, 2017 9:51 AM  

Orville wrote:Just saw an episode of Judge Judy this week where the white woman was suing the former black boyfriend for medical costs for the newborn kid with congenital syphilis from the father. Coal burning disasters are fairly frequent on that show.

Just think if Judge Judy used some of that $25M a year she gets to edumacate the wimmins.

Blogger Natalie January 18, 2017 9:55 AM  

paworldandtimes wrote:A young woman might know all the facts and have the right control over her base impulses, but all it takes is one slip. And that single mistake arrives in the form of a Black suitor who defies the indolent, diseased nigger stereotype.

The best prevention against one "slipping through" begins in early childhood. She has to know and value her own identity, even before she's wary of others.

PA


I call that the "Sidney Portier affect." Here are some points I've discussed with other along those lines:

A. That's a form of selfishness a la your daughter is appropriating one of the "talented tenth" and depriving a black woman of a quality husband and the race in general of the chance to improve itself.

B. Regression to the mean. Her children are likely to revert, at least somewhat, to the lower IQ side of the curve. She can't count on popping out three little perfectly white brained babies even if her partner is high IQ

C. Medical issues - race mixing designer babies (as has been noted here) can have more complicated medical issues due to their genetics. Organ matching, inherited weaknesses, etc can all become more complex.

D. Culture - it's hard enough at time raising kids with someone from a very similar white, Southern Christian culture (speaking for myself). Staying on the same page regarding discipline, education, home life - all that stuff where parents need to present a unified front - can be hard even when both of you have similar backgrounds. Throw in an entirely different set of cultural assumptions, and I'm not sure how some people do it. Plus you have kids caught between two cultures. Who will they claim? Who will claim them?

E. Plus the obvious points about diluting and negating the centuries of cultural and genetic forces that made your daughter who she is today. She owes something both to her ancestors and her descendants that has nothing to do with whether her proposed suitor doesn't fit some mold.

And all of the above assumes an otherwise eligible suitor.

Anonymous Maj January 18, 2017 9:56 AM  

Are there also statistics about the likelihood that a black man will be faithful when dating/married to a white woman?

Blogger David Power January 18, 2017 9:59 AM  

Do the offspring of mixed raced coupled run a greater risk of birth defects?
Does the race of your partner affect the potential IQ of your children?

Blogger VD January 18, 2017 9:59 AM  

Go away, Epimandes. Your virtue-signaling is not required here. Go do it somewhere else.

Blogger Dave January 18, 2017 10:01 AM  

Search Google images for "white couple" and you'll get a lots and lots of black/white couples interspersed with the white ones, along with various other ethnicities.

Walmart ran a commercial this past weekend during the playoffs that showed an Asian father at home preparing a meal with a couple of mixed kids. He texts "the wife" to pick up some Ranch dressing. Then we see a black woman leaving Wallyworld with her "white" dressing.

Anonymous Just another commenter January 18, 2017 10:05 AM  

If you bring any of this up, of course, they will immediately demonstrate their lack of understanding of statistics and probability, as well as the difference between facts and hopes. The number of straw-men erected against you would feed a squadron of horses. The ways they will mischaracterize you will be legion. The doubling-down will be loud, proud, and extremely virtuous.

And you can laugh. "Keep telling yourself that, but the odds are I'll be able to tell you I told you so all too soon."

Blogger Cail Corishev January 18, 2017 10:05 AM  

In the 1950s, there were movie shorts telling girls not to be a slut if they didn't want to end up a spinster. They were given specific advice about modest dress, being respectful to dates, etc. This wasn't coming from traditional churches; it was coming from mainstream entertainment. Girls back then weren't any less inclined to bad choices, but they were told exactly what would happen.

Now it's just the opposite: their entertainment encourages them to indulge their worst impulses and everything will work out fine. It's not just coal-burning; it's also girls chasing after pointless careers and thinking they can start families when they're done having their single fun. They've been raised on a script that's designed for failure.

Anonymous To Mock a Killingbird January 18, 2017 10:12 AM  

"Walmart ran a commercial this past weekend during the playoffs that showed an Asian father at home preparing a meal with a couple of mixed kids. He texts "the wife" to pick up some Ranch dressing. Then we see a black woman leaving Wallyworld with her "white" dressing."

Major product advertising is more and more pushing this theme; the worst is the soup company formerly known for its chubby cherubic children; there's a woman standing at a stove, claiming to be "making soup" (as if opening a can and heating the contents is making it) asking if "babe" wants some.

The camera pans two women on a couch.

If they are going to show cohabitating lesbians, they ought to depict them more accurately-older, short hair and overweight.


Blogger Off The Wall January 18, 2017 10:15 AM  

Dave wrote:Search Google images for "white couple" and you'll get a lots and lots of black/white couples interspersed with the white ones, along with various other ethnicities.

Walmart ran a commercial this past weekend during the playoffs that showed an Asian father at home preparing a meal with a couple of mixed kids. He texts "the wife" to pick up some Ranch dressing. Then we see a black woman leaving Wallyworld with her "white" dressing.


Seeing a lot of this lately. Advertising aimed at essentially straight white audiences features mixed race, mixed sexuality all out of proportion to reality. It is going to back-fire on the advertisers. Like Starbucks CEO saying if you support traditional marriage we don't want your business ... that's okay by me. See ya!

Blogger dc.sunsets January 18, 2017 10:18 AM  

On last night's Wizard of Oz remake (the NBC Nightly News) they had a heartwarming story about a woman who fell into a coma, the family pulled the plug but she recovered.

Wondering (as I did) why NBC ran this?

1. The doctor interviewed was black.
2. The woman's daughter was married to a black.
3. The woman's grandkids were half&half.

Leftists are so obsessed with the Story Line that their sifting the day's billion stories for the one they'll carry is NAKEDLY biased.

This wizard doesn't even bother hiding behind the curtain any more. This is how desperate they've become.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor January 18, 2017 10:18 AM  

The bias in this study is easy to spot. The murdered women weren't available to answer the question about whether their children were financially supported by the father.

Blogger michaeloh59 January 18, 2017 10:19 AM  

When I owned a dance club that catered to blacks I noticed the same, although do not discount the giant suction of peer pressure-particularly in the absence of strong parental counter-pressure.

Blogger Shimshon January 18, 2017 10:27 AM  

Vox went to Disneyland?! Maybe this was Paris Disneyland?

Blogger Bard January 18, 2017 10:28 AM  

I saw that wal mart commercial and asked my boys what they thought. Never saw an Asian man with a black women was the reply. I told them they probably never will. It is the least likely of interracial mixing and complete horseshit. Black women are just ugly.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 18, 2017 10:29 AM  

That's untrue. Women are entirely capable of surmounting their base instincts and desires, as are men. And they are considerably less likely to do so in complete ignorance, or worse, when operating under a false conceptual model instilled via media propaganda.

As a socionomist I believe it's a biological fact of human neuroanatomy that people herd.

Propensity to herd, however, exists on a spectrum; some people do it a lot, some people do it less, others do it 100% of the time.

I believe women are, by their social nature, higher-spectrum herders. On average, women are more likely to be obsessed with fads and fashions (exhibits of herding behavior) and today's PC Narrative is the ULTIMATE expression of herding impulses.

Some women cannot extricate themselves from this Narrative any more than they could extricate themselves from alcoholism (if that, instead, was their impulsive-minded vice of choice.)

This is why WHO we choose to associate with, and especially marry, is an inescapable determinant of the lives we lead.

Some women are capable of resisting today's saturation-bombing of PC culture via strength of character and internal mastery of their impulsive mind. Some women are capable of doing so with assistance. Some women cannot resist it no matter what.

Avoid those in the last category as though they are carriers of ebola.

Blogger tz January 18, 2017 10:35 AM  

They aren't going after a Clarence Thomas.
Aren't there enough white "bad boys"?
Hypergamy doesn't seem to explain it, or are black men natural "pick up artists"?

Today's hook-up culture amplifies mistakes. Zero in the stats "waited until marriage".

Blogger LonestarWhacko January 18, 2017 10:50 AM  

I reckon the attraction has several components....sex appeal, and defiance of parental wishes. The only thing that can be done after the fact is withdrawal of support. It's sad, but Darwin rules.

Blogger SteveK January 18, 2017 10:50 AM  

I know a couple that are part of the 1%. He's a great father, Marine, cop and they have 3 kids.

Anonymous Eduardo January 18, 2017 11:01 AM  

Hey Vox that is a low-blow man!

Back to your corner, give them some time to put their childhood in order.

Blogger S1AL January 18, 2017 11:10 AM  

"I know a couple that are part of the 1%. He's a great father, Marine, cop and they have 3 kids."

Almost every successful mixed-race couple I've known involves a military dad. There's something to be said for Kratman's thesis.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 18, 2017 11:15 AM  

#44 Spot on, and it's why in a "debate" its best to start off discrediting their source.

Blogger pyrrhus January 18, 2017 11:19 AM  

@44 Female hypergamy has been a known fact and social problem in every human culture. Most cultures have institutions designed to combat it, such as arranged marriages, which are still the rule rather than the exception in India, and shaming. Black culture in the US, as documented by Thomas Sowell, was strongly marriage oriented until ADC and the other disasters of the '60s.

Blogger VD January 18, 2017 11:22 AM  

Black culture in the US, as documented by Thomas Sowell, was strongly marriage oriented until ADC and the other disasters of the '60s.

Not really. Their marriage culture was about halfway between normal white marriage culture and what passes for gay marriage culture.

Please keep in mind that some of us here are familiar with actual African norms. US blacks are about 18 percent white on average and have been acculturated to white norms for 200 years.

Anonymous BBGKB January 18, 2017 11:31 AM  

I have heard blacks tell blond girls that they are racist for not dating them, so I went up to the girls and told them never to fall for it because groids think its a magic word that gives them whatever they want.

It's not even close to the cheerful middle-class picture so often presented by the television commercials

Even worse (((COmmon Core))) 1-12 grade zero pictures of a white girl next to a white boy.

98 percent chance of not being financially supported by the child's father

Is there a T-shirt message short phrase that would put this information out?

With those kinds of stats.... How is MILO not dead yet?

Milo is realistic about black dysfunction but so few white guys will date blacks he can choose the best. MILO could get away with cheating on Kanye West.

It's damned rare to see a coalburner broad with her mulatto spawn and a man present in any venue whatsoever

David French was the Israel First American Fifth Column candidate

Interracial dating cannot be that good because the left simply does not promote it beyond the usual "gift" to black men.

Some shows like "the flasher" have male mudsharks. A black man won the Mrs Helsinki beauty pageant

they had a heartwarming story about a woman who fell into a coma, the family pulled the plug but she recovered.Wondering (as I did) why NBC ran this?1. The doctor interviewed was black.

The moral of the story is patients are better off with the plug pulled than receiving care from black doctors. Stopping the black doctor's care made her better.

between normal white marriage culture and what passes for gay marriage culture

Not every gay marriage has a partner willing to drive 18+ miles in Philly for a gridr hook up.
http://www.vocativ.com/underworld/crime/death-grindr-swipe-right-murder/

OpenID everybodyhatesscott January 18, 2017 11:42 AM  

What about herpes? I'm sure that's gotta be higher too. Gonorrhea isn't as scary as herpes. My gf told me one of her friends got herpes from a one night stand.
'that sucks'
'yeah, it was from a black guy'
'Considering their known rates of std's, she deserved it'

Blogger Boko Harambe January 18, 2017 11:45 AM  

Seeing a lot of this lately. Advertising aimed at essentially straight white audiences features mixed race, mixed sexuality all out of proportion to reality. It is going to back-fire on the advertisers. Like Starbucks CEO saying if you support traditional marriage we don't want your business ... that's okay by me. See ya!

Converged or not, this is why I prefer My jailbroke Firestick or Netflix to canker satellite. No commercials. The other night Mr. was watching a movie on satellite tv, 8 p.m. or thereabouts. We saw a commercial for Ashley Madison, the infidelity website. He switched channels right quick, our kids were in the room. Kids absorb it all even if they don't seem to pay attention or if the media is not specifically targeting them. We don't need that junk in our house. I want tv gone altogether but Mr. Harambe wants to keep it, and he pays the bills so he wins. Bit by bit, though, he understands what a pernicious influence it is.

Blogger Elizabeth January 18, 2017 11:50 AM  

VD wrote:Black culture in the US, as documented by Thomas Sowell, was strongly marriage oriented until ADC and the other disasters of the '60s.

Not really. Their marriage culture was about halfway between normal white marriage culture and what passes for gay marriage culture.

Please keep in mind that some of us here are familiar with actual African norms. US blacks are about 18 percent white on average and have been acculturated to white norms for 200 years.


The black illegitimacy rate was about 20% in 1955. It was 24% in 1965 when Daniel Patrick Moynihan warned about the breakdown of the black family. Part of the problem is that the responsible blacks aren't reproducing themselves (1-2 kids) and the dregs are.

It may have been Tom Sowell who wrote that at one time it was common for a black woman to have an illegitimate child or two, but she eventually married. Marriage rates were actually higher among blacks than whites until the 1930s(?).

Blogger Elizabeth January 18, 2017 11:52 AM  

S1AL wrote:"I know a couple that are part of the 1%. He's a great father, Marine, cop and they have 3 kids."

Almost every successful mixed-race couple I've known involves a military dad. There's something to be said for Kratman's thesis.


What is Kratman's thesis?

Blogger Boko Harambe January 18, 2017 11:52 AM  

As for the race mixing, I've ample opportunity to point out to my kids why it's awful. As they get older I can be less careful with how I couch my explanations, but they're starting to understand.

The issue of depriving a good black woman of a good black man is a powerful wedge I can use, and that my knowledge do can understand. Also, a profound pride in their heritage matters. One of their grandfathers is descended from pre-Revolutionary War Anglo Dutch colonists. The rest, assorted undesirables like French Canuck, Poles, and Russians. But white, nonetheless.

My dad real-talked me about blacks. My experiences with blacks in school bore out everything he told me. A few good ones here and there did not extrapolate in any way to the broader group.

Blogger Zapp Brannigan January 18, 2017 11:53 AM  

@36

Cail,

I'm a big fan of MST3K and RiffTrax. Most of the shorts they lampoon come from those 1950's era educational films. Now, I admit that I find their commentary on these films hilarious but I always experience a twinge of sadness as well. While ripe for comedy, it strikes me as sad that we as a society used to inculcate good values in our children as a matter of course. The country was united in its view of what was acceptable and what was not, and was confident enough to present this view in a clear, unapologetic manner. Bad behavior was shown to have bad consequences and good behavior ("square" in the parlance of the day, "repressive" to the post-60s Left) was rewarded with success. It was heavy-handed, but then again, they had to be in order to show how the world worked in a 15 - 20 minute window of time.

Blogger SteveK January 18, 2017 11:56 AM  

Of course, these statistics don't tell any woman what to do because numbers don't tell her the underlying causes that created theses dire situations.

A wise woman will learn the underlying causes and proceed to avoid as many as possible if she insists on being in a mixed race relationship. We know skin the color of coal by itself causes none of these outcomes so she wisely ought to look past that. No different than any other relationship I would argue.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric January 18, 2017 12:04 PM  

SteveK wrote:I know a couple that are part of the 1%. He's a great father, Marine, cop and they have 3 kids.
Good for you! Do you want a cookie?

Anonymous Iron Spartan January 18, 2017 12:04 PM  

Along the same lines, non-obese black women who marry white men have a divorce rate of near zero, no matter how the husband behaves.

Blogger SteveK January 18, 2017 12:10 PM  

@61 sure, if you have one to give.

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative January 18, 2017 12:19 PM  

Add to that list:

Stupid Babies

IQ is genetic. It's inherited. The effect of environment is near zero. Look at this graph:

Genetics and environment and IQ

During childhood the correlations are lower. But by adulthood the genetic contribution to IQ stabilizes at over 80%. The remaining influences are divided into shared environment and non-shared environment.

Notice how the contribution of shared environment drops to near zero?

The important thing to understand is that ALMOST ALL environmental influences are contained in shared environment

Non-shared environment. is only labeled "environment" because of the generally left-leaning ideology of psychology. It's just leftover variance. That's all. It's the contribution to IQ that's effectively random.

In essence, your adult IQ comes from:

(1) deterministic genetic contribution from your parents DNA: over 80%

(2) random roll of the dice contribution from unknown causes: near 20%

(3) upbringing, education, socio-economic status, environment: near 0%

Black IQ


Blogger VD January 18, 2017 12:23 PM  

Of course, these statistics don't tell any woman what to do because numbers don't tell her the underlying causes that created theses dire situations.

They don't tell her what to do, they tell her what her odds are. The underlying causes are irrelevant.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 18, 2017 12:24 PM  

If you put a chart of CDC-sourced STD rates broken out by race on a T-shirt and wore it to any mall in the USA, you'd be lucky if you went home in one piece.

"Shoot the messenger" isn't just a saying.


PS: lead paint and racism must cause affected persons to screw any 'ole thing.

Blogger SteveK January 18, 2017 12:27 PM  

"They don't tell her what to do, they tell her what her odds are."

I said that. We agree.

Blogger SteveK January 18, 2017 12:29 PM  

Furthermore, they ONLY tell her what her odds are IF she in fact is the same situations that created those odds.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 18, 2017 12:30 PM  

@64, as I've stated in other forums, 0% attributed to parenting is the Poster Child for sample bias.

This statistic is derived from studying identical twins raised apart, a group of people that is actually not that large, <2000 individuals IIRC.

Teasing out subtleties of parenting is a gross error of scaling that data. What parenting amounts to is providing "tips, tricks and shortcuts." Given that most people don't know any T, T's and SC's, it follows that it would require the study of very large numbers to surface differences among the MPAI raising kids and those who actually have a clue.

I truly do tire of people who think you can study something in even 40,000 persons and grasp what will happen when you scale up to a million. By now, the experience in the Pharma industry should disabuse people of this notion.

Anonymous Joe Blowe January 18, 2017 12:32 PM  

Elizabeth wrote:It may have been Tom Sowell who wrote that at one time it was common for a black woman to have an illegitimate child or two, but she eventually married.

Did the illegitimate kids count as legitimate in the statistics when mom got married? Look, blacks screwed around back then just as much as they do now except when they did it back then they were married ON PAPER so their kids were "legitimate" even though the father wasn't the same man the woman was married to. So the legitimacy rate is a misleading indicator. What we have to look at is the rate of infidelity. Booker T. Washington was lamenting the outrageous levels of infidelity at the turn of the last century and it got worse when blacks moved from the rural South to Northern Cities.

Blogger Cail Corishev January 18, 2017 12:36 PM  

I'm a big fan of MST3K and RiffTrax.

Zapp, same here, so that's where I've seen them, and I know what you mean. Fortunately, the guys find a lot of other things to joke about, so it's not like they spend the whole time laughing at the supposed sexism. While those shorts can seem heavy-handed and cheesy at times, they reflect a culture that knew what was important and was willing to promote and defend it. If that meant being a bit cheesy and pushy, so be it.

Blogger VD January 18, 2017 12:42 PM  

Furthermore, they ONLY tell her what her odds are IF she in fact is the same situations that created those odds.

No, they tell her what her odds are if she's in the USA. They're even worse outside the USA.

What about herpes? I'm sure that's gotta be higher too.

White infection rate: 6 percent. Black infection rate: 32 percent. Hispanic infection rate: 3 percent.

Blogger John Williams January 18, 2017 12:47 PM  

"I know a couple that are part of the 1%. He's a great father, Marine, cop and they have 3 kids."

Then there's that mean & the reversion to it thing. Kudos to the military, but the point here is it's high risk.

Anonymous Gen. Kong January 18, 2017 12:52 PM  

So, that's the toll involved. It's not even close to the cheerful middle-class picture so often presented by the television commercials.

The gaslighting of YT has been going on well over a century, at least since the Judeo-Christ proclaimed slavery the evilest of all evils (before holocaust of course) in the late 18th century, despite the fact that the practice is actually mentioned in both sections of the bible and not actually listed among the sins of the ten commandments, merely admonitions not to abuse or mistreat the slaves. Even a third-world place like Brazil, with a considerably larger slave populace, managed to abolish 'the peculiar institution' by 1888 without a massive war to destroy half the country and leave over half a million (mostly white men) dead. The invisible hand of economics perhaps?

Blogger Elizabeth January 18, 2017 12:54 PM  

Joe Blowe wrote:Elizabeth wrote:It may have been Tom Sowell who wrote that at one time it was common for a black woman to have an illegitimate child or two, but she eventually married.

Did the illegitimate kids count as legitimate in the statistics when mom got married? Look, blacks screwed around back then just as much as they do now except when they did it back then they were married ON PAPER so their kids were "legitimate" even though the father wasn't the same man the woman was married to. So the legitimacy rate is a misleading indicator. What we have to look at is the rate of infidelity. Booker T. Washington was lamenting the outrageous levels of infidelity at the turn of the last century and it got worse when blacks moved from the rural South to Northern Cities.


I didn't think of that and don't know. So, if Susie had a baby by Joe and later married Tom, is the child still counted as illegitimate? I also didn't know about Booker T. Washington's observation.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 18, 2017 12:54 PM  

My dad real-talked me about blacks. My experiences with blacks in school bore out everything he told me.

My dad was an inveterate racist (WWII vet.) I grew up in a 100% white suburb, so K-12 taught me his references to blacks as "Jigs" and "Jungle Bunnies" were deplorable.

College opened my eyes, even about those who could somehow get into college, but now that the interdiction of race facts by the Holy Homogeneous Diversity Cult is breaking down, I know he only scratched the surface.

Things are even worse than he said. If the Cult had their way, no one would know about the Knoxville Horror, the Wichita Massacre, the >30,000:<10 interracial rape statistics and other profound indications that people of mostly African ancestry and those of mostly Northern European ancestry are truly different across a spectrum of traits that can be life-and-death.

Anonymous Loki7 January 18, 2017 12:56 PM  

The whole of the US Gulf Coast from LA to the FL panhandle is rife with the degen `Nawlins Multi-Kulture`. All you see are white and mulatto women with black males. Talk about breeding down.

Anonymous Pennywise January 18, 2017 12:59 PM  

Of course, context is important here about “coal burning”.

Most studies conducted on interracial marriages conclude that same race marriages tend to last longer. However, the results of some studies led to the opinion that factors like the age of marriage and educational qualifications had greater bearing on the stability and longevity of such marriages than the racial identities of the individuals. When the background factors like the age of marriage and the level of education have been adjusted in these studies, the differences that cropped up in black male-white female and white male-white female marriages were negligible. Furthermore, it has been found through meta-analysis that the higher the educational level, the lesser the rate of divorce for both same race and interracial marriages. In addition, marriage between same race and interracial individuals which took place earlier in life had increased chances of ending in divorce.

Indeed, there is a tendency for interracial marriages to “swirl out of control”. But percentages vary across a certain period of time. The probability of divorce by the 10th year of marriage, in comparison to an all-white couple, changes considerably. In case of an Asian husband and a white wife, the chances of the couple ending up in divorce are 59 percent higher than a regular white couple. The percentage dips down to 50 percent when the couple consists of a black man and a white wife. However, there is a tremendous decrease to 4 percent involving a white man and an Asian woman in contrast to a couple consisting of a white man and a white woman. Marriages that took place between African American men and white women had twice the potential of ending up in divorce in comparison to marriages involving a white man and a white woman. This indicates that, compared to the earlier findings, the greater rate of divorce between interracial couples, especially involving African American men and white women, is not just due to the background aspects.

Regarding the Christian view toward interracial marriage, the wife of Moses wife was of another race. In Numbers 12:1-15, Aaron and Miriam were punished for criticizing this interracial marriage. The book of Ruth also details how a foreigner became part of the lineage of Christ. Rehab the harlot, also of another nation, is included in the lineage of Christ as recorded in Matthew 1. Colossians 3:11 makes it clear that from God's perspective all are one in Christ.

Refer to Exodus…“take heed to yourself, lest you make a covenant with the people of the land where you go (the Promised Land the Israelites were to inherit), lest it be for a snare . . . 14. For you shall worship no other god . . . 15. Lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go whoring after their gods . . . 16. And lest you take from their daughters for your sons (marriages), and their daughters go whoring after THEIR gods and make your sons go whoring after THEIR gods (Exodus 34:12, 14-16)

To whom is God giving the above warning? To those who he led out of Egypt, a great mass descended not only from Jacob but also from other peoples and nations (Exodus 12:37). What does the warning concern? It concerns marriages between those who will enter the Promised Land with those already living in the area. Why is the warning given? Notice that "interracial" relationships for their own sake are the focus of the passage. The warning is given to keep those who worship the true God from being led astray to worship FALSE deities by their pagan mates. God is not forbidding interRACIAL dating and marriage in the effort keep people racially pure, He warned against interRELIGIOUS matrimony, meaning marriages between those who follow Him with those who do not follow Him.

From a biological perspective, mixed-race relations are desirable.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3146070/Mixed-race-relationships-making-taller-smarter-Children-born-genetically-diverse-parents-intelligent-ancestors.html

Blogger Benjamin Kraft January 18, 2017 1:00 PM  

@68. "The situations that created those odds" are just one, single, situation. White female + black male. Everything else is in the statistics, which are precisely what is displayed.

Period.

Your "Only" is either deludedly pointless, or intentionally disingenuous.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 18, 2017 1:03 PM  

@73, exactly. Just like the Somali immigrant in MN will have kids who are MORE likely to be ISIS-inclined than is he, unless a black has a family tree full of equal-to-European-intelligence (and cultural behaviors) ancestors, the reversion-to-the-mean target will be lower.

One-offs absolutely occur. We know this. But just because a blond, blue-eyed waif finds a smart, kind, well-socialized black to date doesn't give her any assurance at all that his progeny won't hew toward a Soweto slum norm.

If "hypergamy" is supposed to be nature's way of directing women toward "higher value" fathers for their children, then this is another demonstration that genetic drift in humans is NOT directed toward something we'd call "better."

Blogger SteveK January 18, 2017 1:07 PM  

VD,
"No, they tell her what her odds are if she's in the USA."

The odds of the entire data set boiled down to one number are not the odds of the individual situation that created that one number. I'll give an example.

Ex: the odds of winning while gambling in a casino are X, but those odds tell me nothing about the odds of winning my *specific situation* while in the casino.

So living in the USA, like gambling in a casino, tells me nothing about the odds of my specific situation while living in the USA.

I know you respect WM Briggs because you recently posted about his new book on probability and statistics. It appears you are falling prey to some of the things he mentions often on his blog.

"Probabilities Aren’t Decisions"
http://wmbriggs.com/post/12877/

Blogger Benjamin Kraft January 18, 2017 1:09 PM  

@78. We've been over the whole "hybrid vigour" thing. It only exists in populations that are extremely homogeneous, to an extent that the individual races of humans are, by and large, nowhere near.

Pretty much the entire rest of your post is word-salad/weasel words that really don't mean anything we didn't already know. It's like you're trying to teach a child about something you don't even understand yourself. There's always another way to look at the statistics, and your ways are completely pointless in this matter.

Blogger Happy LP9 January 18, 2017 1:09 PM  

I think this intro is Renee Fleming's voice; Ave Maria then Baby Metal begins, again their choreography is worth practicing and learning, wonderful happy work out when looped a few songs for an hour, our ballet group is now willing to do more baby metal first then go do ballet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWggmY2BDhE

Also this act; it is literally in step to the music, this 2015 act defines what ballet and modern dance tries to attempt; consistency in routines that incorporate varied dance disciplines; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH_lvgvhjwc

I never understood the attraction factor, I dont understand how other races/colors/wish to mix or blend. It's a hardship - it also a displacement factor; the black women are separated from their men and displaces the white men from their women.

Given the facotr of attraction, I dont understand why white women our age and younger go to black men, what is the factor I'm missing? Aren't all women attracted to masculine faced blonde/dark hair men with cute contacts or glasses who are fit and Christian?

The most real/documented toll factor is violence then poverty, working harder to make the relationship work and higher divorce rates. Parents of the couples who say, "son, can't you find a black girl or daughter, can't you land a white guy - for the honor of our family name, this isn't good for us."

It just does not work. I only know of one couple that made it work and they were ostracized for it but they've been married for 30 plus years.

When we speak of how opposites attract, that is fundamentally wrong and terrible in that sure it can happen but one white man and white woman will have to work much more and struggle more to connect and love one another while life would be easier with someone else better suited to them.

Birds of the same feather must glock together in that an alike couple; white, Christian values shared, common worldview, chemistry is most likely to create bliss. Yet its still to love one another is no walk in the park for many even when well matched.

This Toll factor is just as bad when the churches wrecked old fashioned wedding vows, those vows were in place for a reason as it and should not be altered or jacked in anyway that contributed to blurring what is required and obvious in marriage.

Blogger Happy LP9 January 18, 2017 1:11 PM  

Edit; Aren't all Caucasian women attracted to Caucasian masculine faced blonde/dark hair men with cute contacts or glasses who are fit and Christian...

Blogger VD January 18, 2017 1:14 PM  

I know you respect WM Briggs because you recently posted about his new book on probability and statistics. It appears you are falling prey to some of the things he mentions often on his blog.

No, Steve, I'm not. Now stop cucking. Your motivations are entirely transparent, now shut up and move along. You're done here.

Blogger Happy LP9 January 18, 2017 1:20 PM  

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/01/16/alpha-dad-of-the-month/
« Slut Velocity
Alpha Dad Of The Month

Alpha Dad of the Month winner, right here. (The mom probably disapproved, too, but it takes a father to deliver a real threat and back it up with action.) This is the ++++lineage destruction++++ that her father is trying to save her from..."

4 years later it will be all heartache and the girl will be regretful, harmed, etc. Black parents, White parents all said the same damn thing; "don't do this, it does not end well."

Blogger Benjamin Kraft January 18, 2017 1:23 PM  

@80. But what about when the entire data set is a pure amalgam of the individual situations that created those numbers? Especially when the data set is actually already narrowed to a better-than-average window?

Vox's post never said not to play blackjack or roulette.

It said not to go into the casino.

We don't care about the breakdown by situation, because that's a pure and obvious attempt at rationalization of what was already desired. No one cares about specific situations in the casino unless they're already inside.

This isn't difficult.

Blogger Boko Harambe January 18, 2017 1:24 PM  

Eliza, I look around my workplace no class, mostly white but lots of divorce and single-mommery town with a healthy dose of 'sharking spice, and see that by and large the mixing is low IQ, low SMV/MMV white women. Black men take the white dregs. The white women are usually fat and unattractive; in one case I know for certain the white woman in question is retarded (not Down's syndrome) and was mainstreamed into the public school system and made to feel or think she was normal and deserved normal attention/respect/life prospects. She was impregnated by a low life black guy who ended up in jail before graduating high school. Guess who is raising the nog-sprog while retarded mom works her shifts at Walmart? Grandma, who is only a few years older than me.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft January 18, 2017 1:27 PM  

Vox, you're really starting to make me see the light as to why you never seem to use the @#. function.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) January 18, 2017 1:29 PM  

talking about stupid White women, i guess you shouldn't let one guest in your home:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjUzkVrEV1o

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/mac-s-convenience-shooting-susan-wachowich-murder-assault-1.3916174


100% White neighborhood, mudskin skells have been trolling the house all day, she keeps opening the door. they wind up breaking in, ransacking the house and stealing a car.

a car which is used to commit two murders at convenience stores a couple of weeks later.

she's a bit unhappy that the homeowner isn't helping her out for her stupidity. although i do also suspect that the homeowner MAY have ties to these clowns, they seem to have had a bit too much knowledge of what they could expect to find in the house.

notice that she's taken self defense classes ... and it didn't accomplish a damn thing. she herself notes that it's a good thing that she's "old", otherwise she probably would have gotten raped and/or kidnapped.

Anonymous BBGKB January 18, 2017 1:31 PM  

I know a couple that are part of the 1%....Good for you! Do you want a cookie?

Bake the cake.

If you put a chart of CDC-sourced STD rates broken out by race on a T-shirt and wore it to any mall in the USA, you'd be lucky if you went

You would be protected by black illiteracy. I wore my "white privilege is evolution that's why Asians have it also" shirt to amusement parks around hundreds of blacks & only 1 old light skinned black woman recognized it out of blacks. Remember (((professors))) that had BLM shirts on still got beat up because of illiteracy after SKITTLES/Brown.

Literacy ability of whites/Asians to read a T shirt is a super power just like doing math in your head.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/18/start-up-ceo-shares-a-surprising-trick-for-getting-ahead-at-work.html

""The executives at Amazon and all the [vice presidents] were able to do math in their head really quickly," he says. "It was so stark, their ability to manage numbers so quickly."

the odds of winning while gambling in a casino are X, but those odds tell me nothing about the odds of winning my *specific situation* while in the casino.

I know casino odds, but the odds of walking out of a casino with any money in your pocket is higher than a white woman receiving money from a black father.

the black women are separated from their men and displaces the white men from their women...what is the factor I'm missing?

(((Common Core))) 1-12th grade not one picture of a white girl next to a white boy in any school material.

Anonymous the management January 18, 2017 1:37 PM  

Bard wrote:I saw that wal mart commercial and asked my boys what they thought. Never saw an Asian man with a black women was the reply. I told them they probably never will. It is the least likely of interracial mixing and complete horseshit. Black women are just ugly.

Agreed one hundred percent on the horseshit 24/7 anti-white interracial propaganda*, but the "black women are ugly" thing is bad rhetoric and untrue. I think it was Robert Heinlein, not exactly an SJW, who once said that every woman is beautiful in some way.

Each race produces its own standards of beauty, and there are many attractive women found in all races. I suspect that black and other non-white men who pursue white women overtly do not view them as inherently more attractive than their own, but rather as a public trophy or conquest. White girls need to be taught that.

But a blogger on the early alt-right (Robert Oculus?) once said it's more important for us to love our own than to hate the other. So, whites should prefer whites for their own sake, and their ability to produce children who look like them and who are likely to continue their civilization and culture - that's a solid enough metric.

*The continuous propaganda is especially aggravating because it ramps up antagonism toward the rare, interesting, and civilizationally harmless interracial marriage prompted by real love at the borders of cultures.

Anonymous BBGKB January 18, 2017 1:40 PM  

The white women are usually fat and unattractive; in one case I know for certain the white woman in question is retarded

The only white guy I knew IRL married to a black woman was literally a dwarf that encountered every ugly stick in the ugly forest. He is such a cuck that my one ex is still friends with him even though he took advantage of the dwarf's drunk brother down by the railroad tracks.

Blogger The Rev January 18, 2017 1:52 PM  

I live in some sort of an alternate universe. The families living on both sides of my house are both black men married to white women, taking care of the white woman's children from previous marriages to white guys. In both cases, the white guys bailed.

I know this is statistically irrelevant, but it always gives me cognitive dissonance when I see the overall stats.

Blogger Dexter January 18, 2017 1:53 PM  

From the study: "the affiliation between the parties tended to last on average until the disclosure of the pregnancy."

I'm trying to remember the name of the 1990s comedy movie where one black guy says to the other, "If she gets pregnant, that's her problem, you're outta there!"

Blogger rumpole5 January 18, 2017 1:53 PM  

At the risk of being repetitive, I would like to again point out the bright side (for the rest of society) of stupid mudsharkers doing their thing, viz:

1. The practice culls the character and wisdom impared women right out of the white race. The remaining white women who are wise enough to marry white men will produce better charactered offspring.

2. The practice produces blacks (the mixed race progeny) who will be raised with white values by white mothers, and who will be much easier for the rest of us to interact and deal with.

Unfortunately, these fact do not undercut the main point, that mudsharking almost always results in personal disaster for those involved.

Blogger Boko Harambe January 18, 2017 2:03 PM  

Non reproduction is preferred over mudsharking and producing lower(ed) IQ mixed race people who will spread the sins of the fathers and mothers to the seventh generation.

At one point I remember battles over whether mentally retarded due to any variety of circumstances ought to be allowed to reproduce. You know when you have a dud. Doesn't mean locking them in a literal cage, but restricting their behavior and mating, even if painful...you have to excise it. "This you will purge the evil from your midst."

And, yes, I recognize this can be taken to the extremes of eugenics in our most fevered imaginations.

But, if one is not even minimally sufficient in self care and independent living, then conceiving and rearing a new generation is a bit beyond his grasp (or hers, in the case of single shark moms).

Blogger VD January 18, 2017 2:04 PM  

I know this is statistically irrelevant, but it always gives me cognitive dissonance when I see the overall stats.

One woman survived a fall from 30,000 feet too. Doesn't make parachutes optional.

The practice produces blacks (the mixed race progeny) who will be raised with white values by white mothers, and who will be much easier for the rest of us to interact and deal with.

American blacks are 18 percent white. How's that working out for you the last 200 years?

Blogger Boko Harambe January 18, 2017 2:06 PM  

2. The practice produces blacks (the mixed race progeny) who will be raised with white values by white mothers, and who will be much easier for the rest of us to interact and deal with.

Great google-moogly Rumpole! If the mothers had any white values in the first place, they wouldn't miscegenate.

OpenID timwburke January 18, 2017 2:06 PM  

I have the same problem as The Rev. All the interracial couples I know etc etc.
BBGKB do you live in a Tom Waits song?

Blogger S1AL January 18, 2017 2:08 PM  

@Elizabeth - You'd have to ask Kratman for details, but it's basically that the tribal bonds created by the military are strong enough to subsume generic tribal bonds in a civil society. Hence why black guys in the military are regularly known to hate ghetto blacks more than anyone else.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor January 18, 2017 2:12 PM  

Non reproduction is preferred over mudsharking and producing lower(ed) IQ mixed race people who will spread the sins of the fathers and mothers to the seventh generation.

"Miscegenation is worse than holocaust." - Golda Meir

Blogger Makeshift January 18, 2017 2:12 PM  

"a biracial individual commented on the truth of these observations concerning illegitimacy and child support"

Can also confirm. I have never in my entire life met another biracial individual who also had an intact family with the father present.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric January 18, 2017 2:15 PM  

VD wrote:American blacks are 18 percent white. How's that working out for you the last 200 years?
It worked out well (right up until it didn't because they got swamped) for the Americo-Liberians when their competition for power and influence were 100% East Africans in Liberia.

One of the few ideas Lincoln had that was actually good; he recognized that Africans and Americans would never combine peacefully into a single nation, so he wanted to send them all away somewhere else.

Too bad that the only good idea he had is the only one that he didn't really get to implement.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric January 18, 2017 2:16 PM  

Sorry; West African, not East African. It's curious to me (or maybe rather not) that even the Americo-Liberians had very little conjugal mixing with the natives too.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor January 18, 2017 2:21 PM  

Call it the Inverse Black Swan Effect: outliers that are unusual, but not so infrequent as to never be observed, grab more attention and are more memorable than the typical cases. Thus giving us a distorted perception of reality.

Examples: a responsible black father of mixed race children, the woman surviving a 30,000 foot fall without a parachute, an honest politician making America great again.

Blogger Chris Mallory January 18, 2017 2:29 PM  

Boko Harambe wrote:At one point I remember battles over whether mentally retarded due to any variety of circumstances ought to be allowed to reproduce. You know when you have a dud. Doesn't mean locking them in a

I used to work with a population of mentally retarded (developmentally disabled in newspeak).
They would screw like rabbits. Male, female, animal, vegetable, mineral. It didn't matter as long as it had a hole or an appendage.
The males should be neutered and the females should be spayed as soon as it is apparent that something is wrong with them mentally.

Of course the people who advocate otherwise have probably never spent more than an hour at a time with this group.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 18, 2017 2:32 PM  

I'm trying to remember the name of the 1990s comedy movie where one black guy says to the other, "If she gets pregnant, that's her problem, you're outta there!"

This makes me think of Cleavon Little in Blazing Saddles doing his "Nobody move, or the nigger gets it" shtick, but I'm not sure why.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 18, 2017 2:38 PM  

I used to work with a population of mentally retarded (developmentally disabled in newspeak).
They would screw like rabbits. Male, female, animal, vegetable, mineral. It didn't matter as long as it had a hole or an appendage.


Now that "Special Ed" kids are mainstreamed, this is quite literally what you might see at a H.S. dance, right on the dance floor.

I. Kid. You. Not.

This is not a drill. Actually happened a few years ago where my kids attended.

(Not sure if this is worse than the HS where my wife graduated, where a white cheerleader intentionally came to school without panties/shorts under her uniform so her (black athlete) BF could get over on her in a stairwell.

Right out of a porn video. In reality. At a fairly affluent H.S.

THIS is what it has come to.)

[PS: when they were caught, she couldn't understand the hubbub. "Why the fuss, he was wearing a condom." (presumably Just Like We Were Taught In Health Class.)]

Blogger FALPhil January 18, 2017 2:53 PM  

@82 Happy LP9
I never understood the attraction factor, I dont understand how other races/colors/wish to mix or blend.

My experience with people who hook up or marry outside of their culture is that they are very uncomfortable with their own culture.

Blogger FALPhil January 18, 2017 2:54 PM  

@82 Happy LP9
I never understood the attraction factor, I dont understand how other races/colors/wish to mix or blend.

My experience with people who hook up or marry outside of their culture is that they are very uncomfortable with their own culture.

Anonymous BBGKB January 18, 2017 2:56 PM  

One woman survived a fall from 30,000 feet too. Doesn't make parachutes optional.

Better make sure the Pinochet helicopters only fly over hard surfaces.

BBGKB do you live in a Tom Waits song?

I don't know who he is but I am certain I am a statistical outlier, of course most gays think that's someone who has come out as a liar. I was a healthcare traveler and worked in inner city hospitals for years, I have stories I wouldn't believe if I didn't live them.

The ex involved with the railroad tracks was friends with the guy R I snitched out for having underage drug/booze/sex parties while R lived with a guy on probation for sexually assaulting a minor in a McDonalds, so that bit of crazy was all related. The dwarf's brother even tried to kill himself after he was taken advantage of while drunk by the railroad tracks which ran not far from R's place (that had black plastic covering all the windows)yet the dwarf was so cucked by inclusion he was still friends with him.

I have also worked with a black doctor that malpracticed himself to death with a medication error before computerized pharmacies made it difficult.

Blogger D. Bay January 18, 2017 2:57 PM  

"21. #5454
Once she goes black, she ain't never coming back.

(That's because she is tainted and not wanted.)"

Not true. Sarah Palin came back.

Blogger Koanic January 18, 2017 3:00 PM  

The most depressing statistic in this post is the percentage of commenters who attempted to disagree with it.

Anonymous BBGKB January 18, 2017 3:01 PM  

I meant to post this above:
woman celebrating the fact that under Obama, money was literally stolen under the color of law and used to pay for birth control for affluent women who could easily afford it on their own.
http://www.gq.com/story/thanks-obama-sex?mbid=social_twitter

Thanks, Obama, for 4 Years of Glorious, Worry-Free Sex
A fond farewell to the golden age of not getting anyone pregnant by accident

Blogger D. Bay January 18, 2017 3:12 PM  

"34. Dave
Search Google images for "white couple" and you'll get a lots and lots of black/white couples interspersed with the white ones, along with various other ethnicities.

Walmart ran a commercial this past weekend during the playoffs that showed an Asian father at home preparing a meal with a couple of mixed kids. He texts "the wife" to pick up some Ranch dressing. Then we see a black woman leaving Wallyworld with her "white" dressing."

Couples like this are actually more common in China and Africa now. A lack of available Chinese women is creating an increase of Chinese men marrying African women. Especially now that China is taking over large sections of Africa.

Blogger Elizabeth January 18, 2017 3:17 PM  

Boko Harambe wrote:Eliza, I look around my workplace no class, mostly white but lots of divorce and single-mommery town with a healthy dose of 'sharking spice, and see that by and large the mixing is low IQ, low SMV/MMV white women. Black men take the white dregs. The white women are usually fat and unattractive; in one case I know for certain the white woman in question is retarded (not Down's syndrome) and was mainstreamed into the public school system and made to feel or think she was normal and deserved normal attention/respect/life prospects. She was impregnated by a low life black guy who ended up in jail before graduating high school. Guess who is raising the nog-sprog while retarded mom works her shifts at Walmart? Grandma, who is only a few years older than me.



BH:

Yup, my friend's mentally-disabled niece is living with her mom and dad and they're the ones actually raised the three kids.

Also, it's been my observation that the white women who go out with blacks and Moslems tend to be unattractive and unable to get a white guy.

OpenID timwburke January 18, 2017 3:21 PM  

@113
As a famous philosopher once said, "Who are you going to believe, statistics or your lying eyes?"

Blogger Elizabeth January 18, 2017 3:22 PM  

S1AL wrote:@Elizabeth - You'd have to ask Kratman for details, but it's basically that the tribal bonds created by the military are strong enough to subsume generic tribal bonds in a civil society. Hence why black guys in the military are regularly known to hate ghetto blacks more than anyone else.

Thanks. Men facing danger together will form very tight bonds. Steven Sailer also once pointed out that blacks do well in authoritarian churches, sports teams and the military. I daresay its because they provide strict rules and discipline.

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Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric January 18, 2017 3:32 PM  

Elizabeth wrote:Thanks. Men facing danger together will form very tight bonds. Steven Sailer also once pointed out that blacks do well in authoritarian churches, sports teams and the military. I daresay its because they provide strict rules and discipline.
It's not very far from that to "slavery was actually good for them." Be careful (or at least attentive) where your thoughts take you lest you find yourself in secular heresy. Heh.

Blogger Elizabeth January 18, 2017 3:32 PM  

Chris Mallory wrote:Boko Harambe wrote:At one point I remember battles over whether mentally retarded due to any variety of circumstances ought to be allowed to reproduce. You know when you have a dud. Doesn't mean locking them in a

I used to work with a population of mentally retarded (developmentally disabled in newspeak).

They would screw like rabbits. Male, female, animal, vegetable, mineral. It didn't matter as long as it had a hole or an appendage.

The males should be neutered and the females should be spayed as soon as it is apparent that something is wrong with them mentally.

Of course the people who advocate otherwise have probably never spent more than an hour at a time with this group.


The severely autistic are often quite violent. I think that boys with severe autism should be castrated so as to calm them down. Unlike individuals with Downs Syndrome, they can be big and strong.

Sterilizing the mentally retarded is considered "eugenics" and is a big no no among cuckservatives. I daresay that if a family had to bear the cost of supporting a retarded child's offspring, they would want to sterilize them. As it is now, the taxpayer gets stuck with the bill.

Blogger Ingot9455 January 18, 2017 3:33 PM  

@118 To quote Thomas Sowell in his great essay on education, "The biggest secret is that there are no secrets, unless work is a secret. Work seems to be the only four-letter word that cannot be used in public today."

It goes on, but essentially, work and discipline make great strides over IQ, as is regularly stated.

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative January 18, 2017 3:36 PM  

@69 dc.sunsets wrote:

"0% attributed to parenting is the Poster Child for sample bias..."

Whatever the actual number is, it's very small. Angelina Jolie's adopted African babies will have an adult IQ around 70 despite growing up with all the wealth and privilege and connections anyone could hope for.


"This statistic is derived from studying identical twins raised apart, a group of people that is actually not that large, <2000 individuals IIRC"

Here's the source study:

Genetic and Environmental Influences on Human
Psychological Differences

Blogger Elizabeth January 18, 2017 3:42 PM  

Deplorable Gaiseric wrote:Elizabeth wrote:Thanks. Men facing danger together will form very tight bonds. Steven Sailer also once pointed out that blacks do well in authoritarian churches, sports teams and the military. I daresay its because they provide strict rules and discipline.

It's not very far from that to "slavery was actually good for them." Be careful (or at least attentive) where your thoughts take you lest you find yourself in secular heresy. Heh.


Well, I wouldn't go that far. The combination of lower IQ, higher testosterone, greater impulsiveness and lower time orientation makes structure more necessary for blacks than whites.

In a strange way, Islam works because it micromanages a believer's life, right down to the proper Islamic way to relieve oneself. It's been pointed out that people who think that their lives are out of control might turn to Islam because they want to be told what to do.

Secular heresy, is right.

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative January 18, 2017 3:47 PM  

@124 Elizabeth:

"In a strange way, Islam works because it micromanages a believer's life, right down to the proper Islamic way to relieve oneself."

Sharia is an excellent legal system for a population with an average IQ of 85 or so.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 18, 2017 3:51 PM  

I have heard blacks tell blond girls that they are racist for not dating them, so I went up to the girls and told them never to fall for it because groids think its a magic word that gives them whatever they want.

@53 BBGKB
I suspect that it's the black Gammas who are most likely to pull the racist card on the girls.

My experience with people who hook up or marry outside of their culture is that they are very uncomfortable with their own culture.

@109 FALPhil
Funny you should say that. White men who race-mix tend toward Gamma or Omega. The fruit of such unions, such as the half-Asian males like Elliot Rodger, have become notorious. And I've said before that black women are the latest go-to option for white Gammas, and I haven't seen anything since then to disprove that.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 18, 2017 3:54 PM  


In a strange way, Islam works because it micromanages a believer's life, right down to the proper Islamic way to relieve oneself. It's been pointed out that people who think that their lives are out of control might turn to Islam because they want to be told what to do.


@124 Elizabeth
Islam appeals to stupid people. There's a reason why in the United States it took off among black convicts but not among anyone else, and is not gaining very many converts in Europe (aside from women who get involved with Muslims). I suspect it has to do with its appeal to the stupid's Secret King complexes.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) January 18, 2017 4:13 PM  

126. VFM #7634 January 18, 2017 3:51 PM
I suspect that it's the black Gammas who are most likely to pull the racist card on the girls.



by that definition, all Blacks are Gamma.

because the Race Card gets played all the time by almost all of them.

Blogger Red Emma January 18, 2017 4:25 PM  

One thing that occurs to me reading all this determinism: VD is at the top of the hierarchy he, with complete objectivity, chooses to recognize. Yet, for all his high iq, English ances and ability to attract b!andly pretty women, his achievements are actually quite thin. Dance records, genre fiction and video games aren't exactly representative of the finest of western civilization. His father got him a gig writing a column and bankrolled minor publishing company. He is now cashing in on the popularity of what can be loosely categorized as the alt-right, but so are boneheads like Roosh and carnival barkers like Milo. How do you all explain this to yourselves?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 18, 2017 4:29 PM  

Because, Red Emma, he actually has accomplishments, unlike you.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable January 18, 2017 4:31 PM  

How do you all explain this to yourselves?

Vox is actually a very decent, hardworking, intelligent, creative human being. You have no clue what you're talking about, so talk elsewhere.

Blogger Student in Blue January 18, 2017 4:36 PM  

@Red Emma
VD is at the top of the hierarchy

Aaaaand you've already proven you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Blogger Red Emma January 18, 2017 4:49 PM  

SiB, I'm wrong about that? That's not your/his ideal? What are his failings?

Blogger MycroftJones January 18, 2017 4:52 PM  

Regarding Kratman's thesis, there is some historical data. Genghis Khan broke up a lot of tribes and jumbled them together and forced them on pain of death to become new tribes. More than half of the tribes dissolved within a hundred years of his death. But a few of them did manage to stick it out and become new ethnicities. So, yes, the military thing can bond men together powerfully. In the long run, natural ethnicity is best, military bonding notwithstanding.

Blogger Red Emma January 18, 2017 4:52 PM  

131, that may or mey not be true, but it was not my point. Surely, we should be able to expect more from someone so statistically perfect.

Blogger Red Emma January 18, 2017 4:54 PM  

SW, that's a non sequitur. His accomplishments are mediocre because he has accomplishments and I have none?

Blogger VFM #7634 January 18, 2017 4:56 PM  

by that definition, all Blacks are Gamma.

because the Race Card gets played all the time by almost all of them.


@bob kek mando
They's Secret Kangs!

It definitely helps explain why most mudsharks are butt-ugly.

Blogger DrAndroSF January 18, 2017 5:02 PM  

Mr Milo just put up a vid of a Black guy harassing a Black male/White female couple, as an example of incredible ignorance. The commentors are all piling on in horror at the "racism." The Virtue Signalling runs deep in these ones.

Blogger kennymac January 18, 2017 5:02 PM  

Red Emma, another Nazi LARPer. We get it RE, you guys are still butthurt about discovering that one of the big names in your little Nazi fantasy world is a Jew. Find another way to deal with your anger, this sniping at Vox just makes you look pathetic.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 18, 2017 5:05 PM  

@123 Vermithrax Pejorative Re intelligence & heredity:

No disagreement here; Intelligence (IQ-tested or not) is overwhelmingly hereditary, anyone who has minimal contact with people across the spectrum (e.g., teachers) knows this, even if their leftism blinds them to it.

The HBD'ers and I part company at their insistence that parenting has zero influence. As I've noted on many occasions, all human attributes occur on a spectrum, and within an individual there's predisposition to a high and a low falling ON each subcategory.

Good parenting can bring out the highest predisposed goods, and hopefully move to the lowest endogenous value a child's innate bads (we all have them.)

Each of us then, as adults, makes ourselves BETTER by inching along our innate range, away from the negatives and toward the positives. We can make ourselves be less lazy and more industrious, for instance, than would be the case if we----stayed as lazy as our "highest lazy" set point.

There's only one kind of improvement in the world, self-improvement. Parenting is the sole exception, and even then it's challenging.

Good parenting can't raise a child's intelligence, but it most surely can assist them in making the most of it by intervening to help them learn self-control and self-discipline as small children.

There are a host of useful behaviors that are learned early or (usually) never. By the time a kid is 7, 8 or 9 it is largely too late to teach them self-control, for instance. A kid that age will either already be a self-starter or in all likelihood it doesn't matter how high is their IQ.

My sons are all quite bright, but they each operate in the real world like maybe 1 in 10,000 (or more.)* All three of them. The odds of this are minute, unless my wife and I, all of their grandparents and maybe great-grandparents had IQ's around 150 or more. I kind of doubt this is the case.

[*that's 1 in 10,000 random Americans, but because MPAI and thus not worthy of benchmark, that's 1 in maybe 500-1000 respect-worthy people.]

Blogger dc.sunsets January 18, 2017 5:07 PM  

@136 Red Enema, pray tell, dear, what do you consider an accomplishment? Does it require celebrity?

Blogger rumpole5 January 18, 2017 5:10 PM  

Re: "American blacks are 18 percent white. How's that working out for you the last 200 years?"

Just think barbecue' spirituals and "ragtime! Shameless music that will drive your son, your daughter to the arms of the jungle animal instinct - mass hysteria! Trouble!" (in River City)

I am also put in mind of the old joke - "What do you have when a lawyer is buried up to his nose in sand?" Answer, "Not enough sand".

Blogger Red Emma January 18, 2017 5:10 PM  

Kenny, satisfactorily answering my question mignt make me look pathetic. Your inability to do so, however, does not.
I don't see what Milo's ethnicity has to do with VD having such a sad resume for such a Superman.

Blogger de ti January 18, 2017 5:11 PM  

"Black culture in the US, as documented by Thomas Sowell, was strongly marriage oriented until ADC and the other disasters of the '60s."

"Not really. Their marriage culture was about halfway between normal white marriage culture and what passes for gay marriage culture."

An excellent point. Marriage has been important to black culture up until about 1965. Blacks often married and stayed married until death. But it was common for black men to have extramarital affairs, even more or less out in the open, and remain married. And it was common for married black women to put up with it and use that to extract concessions from their husbands. Premarital sex was more common among young black men and women than it was among young white men and women. (I don't have research; just impressions and what blacks have said about their sexual and marital culture.)

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 18, 2017 5:17 PM  

@Red Enemy,
No matter how much you snipe enviously at Vox, lie about the Ilk, make a pathetic fool of yoyself, it won't make the pain of being a completely unimportant and uninteresting person go away.
You'd be better served improving yourself.

Anonymous FP January 18, 2017 5:19 PM  

Minnesota man in love with Florida harpy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSAS-J9zg5k

If I remember correctly, it all fell apart just after the wedding, on camera.

Blogger Red Emma January 18, 2017 5:20 PM  

Mr. Sunsets, of course it doesn't. He's always yapping about his superior intelligence, genes, command of logic, artistic discernment, etc. That should be good for, say, one composition that will stand the test of time or maybe an historically significant action.

Blogger Elizabeth January 18, 2017 5:20 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:

In a strange way, Islam works because it micromanages a believer's life, right down to the proper Islamic way to relieve oneself. It's been pointed out that people who think that their lives are out of control might turn to Islam because they want to be told what to do.


@124 Elizabeth

Islam appeals to stupid people. There's a reason why in the United States it took off among black convicts but not among anyone else, and is not gaining very many converts in Europe (aside from women who get involved with Muslims). I suspect it has to do with its appeal to the stupid's Secret King complexes.


In the US, the Number 1 source of converts to Islam is jail. One reason why Islam is so dangerous is that it appeals to people who are disaffected from society to begin with. Do you what you want: rob, rape, murder, just do it in the name of spreading Islam. It gives carte blanche to the worst impulses that a human being might possess.

Interestingly enough, women to the left of center are sometimes attracted to Islam, perhaps due to disaffection from society. Too Republican to go to church. Their brand of Islam tends to be highly selective because they imagine Mohammed (piss be upon him) to have been a feminist.

You are right about women getting involved with a Moslem and converting. Marriages between Western women and Moslem men rarely succeed, even if she does convert. Islam appeals to the "Secret King" because Moslems are taught to regard themselves as "the best of peoples."

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 18, 2017 5:23 PM  

Nobody here, even the Vile Faceless Minions, think Vox is a superman. You know that and continue to lie about it. We do think he is an intelligent (unlike you), interesting (unlike you), perceptive (unlike you) erson who host an interesting, intelligent discussion.

So stop beating the straw horse. You're just coming across as annoying, not the font of cognitive dissonance you seem to think you are.

Blogger de ti January 18, 2017 5:26 PM  

@ Happy LP9:

"Given the facotr of attraction, I dont understand why white women our age and younger go to black men, what is the factor I'm missing? Aren't all women attracted to masculine faced blonde/dark hair men with cute contacts or glasses who are fit and Christian?"

Happy, from what I can see, certain white women gravitate to dating and having sex with black men for one or more of these reasons:

1. They are very unattractive and low value women; white men don't want to date or have sex with them, but black men will.

2. Whether attractive or unattractive, they have had extensive experience dating white men, and want to experience dating/sex with black men.

3. The pool of white men are unattractive or will not approach the available white women. But black men will approach them, whether those black men are or are not attractive.

(this seems to be a common assertion of many white women on why they date black men. The pool of white men in their vicinity are unattractive, boring or don't seem to want to date them. The black men in their vicinity are more sexually and relationally forward and assertive. "Black men are the only ones who approach me. So I date them.")

A common thread is that white men aren't sexually forward enough, aren't sexually assertive enough, and aren't attractive or masculine enough. Black men step into that void and do act sexually forward and aggressive, and are attractive and do present as masculine.

Blogger Red Emma January 18, 2017 5:26 PM  

SW, I'm not sniping at VD and I certainly don't envy, but, even if I were positively seething with envy, you still have not addressed my question. He's always harping about his superiority and, this discussion as an example, about determinism based on iq, ethnicity, etc. So, why haven't his superior traits produced anything superior?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 18, 2017 5:27 PM  

Rebel Moon was a Work of Genius. Unlike anything Picasso did after 1920.

Blogger de ti January 18, 2017 5:29 PM  

Women of most races in the US state or claim that, whether or not they perceive black men as more attractive than men of their own race, they do perceive that black men are more sexually assertive, more sexually forward, and present as more masculine, than men of their own race. In other words, they have more and better Game.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable January 18, 2017 5:33 PM  

That should be good for, say, one composition that will stand the test of time

Er ... I hate to state the obvious, but the test of time involves ... er ... time. How about we do this again in 20 years and you can tell us all what a loser Vox was?

By the way, have you ever accomplished anything?

Blogger Red Emma January 18, 2017 5:34 PM  

SW, I admit I haven't read it and that I like most people, disagree with you about Picasso. Is that the answer? That most people are so lacking in what it takes to appreciate greatness that we fail to recognize his? Fair enough, I guess: he's a sort of Secret King.

Blogger Some Dude January 18, 2017 5:35 PM  

Magic Negro is so amazing.

Magic Negro is smart.

Magic Negro helps Zion get country club access.

Magic Negro takes gentile places in harvard.

Magic Negro is a bullwhip to beat up whites.

Magic Negro destroys your culture and lowers its IQ.

Magic Negro is dysfunctional psychopath race unleashed on your families.

We love Magic Negro.

Signed Zion.

PS We hate Magic Negro Ethiopian Jews in Israel.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 18, 2017 5:37 PM  

No, you are harping about his superiorty. I'm not particularly impressed, I'm a full SD higher in IQ than he is.
This article is absolutely NOT based on determinism. It is explicitly, in the first paragraph about probability. The fact that you think it's about determinism just shows your stupidity and inability to read for meaning.

Indeed, no Christian can EVER be a determinist.

But you're eaten up with envy. "Why does HE have an audience? Why do people treat HIM with respect, and not MEEEEEEE?"

Blogger Red Emma January 18, 2017 5:41 PM  

5343, true enough, but does he have any candidates? Usually, discerning readers can see greatness long before something makes it into the Canon, sort of like Sainthood. Sure, something that seems timeless now, might seem less so later, but producing a possibility is an achievement one would expect from such a specimen. If, that is, his criteria are really the ones we should be looking for.

Blogger Some Dude January 18, 2017 5:42 PM  

Well here's the very high IQ answer to why white women go for black men.

(a) Most americans think blacks make up 50% of the population, not 13%

(b) Media portrayal is almost religious in its worship. In the 1990s, the older among you may remember shows like Cops or Unsolved Murders which portrayed blacks, as they are.

(c) Zion promotes black music and bans white music

(d) AA president Obama

(e) ITS A PLAN

(f0 ITS A ((PLAN)))

IST FNWBIDSM@@P&£%^ they is so angry for the holocaust. So angry at white people. They teach their children to hate white people. They children feminine and gamma and lash out at gentile men. They convince white men to be pussies. They so angry. .

Win the kulturkampf. Hit the gym. Unleash the barbarian. Watch what your daughter watches and reads.

Anonymous kennymac January 18, 2017 5:42 PM  

"My heavens, I certainly am not sniping at Vox, I merely want one of you sycophants to explain why he's a poopy head and a dumdum face to my satisfaction"

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 18, 2017 5:43 PM  

What do you count as accomplishment? I chose Picasso specifically as a hack who is lauded as a master of art. Contrary to your assertion, most people don't think of him as a master, but as a drunken con artist. Which he was. Only people who are themselves con artists or have been brainwashed in college think he's some kind of genius.

So define accomplishment, you pathetic weasel.

Blogger Some Dude January 18, 2017 5:44 PM  

Without zion, black wouldn't just to like they used to with white women...they wouldn't get white collar jobs with 95 IQs, free money, status and immunity from moral agency.

Zion.

The wound that festers.

Blogger Some Dude January 18, 2017 5:44 PM  

wouldn't just do#

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 18, 2017 5:47 PM  

And why should a genius strive for your version of accomplishment? Are we supposed to dance for the amusement of a crowd that wishes us to either be silent or, better, die?

Blogger Red Emma January 18, 2017 5:49 PM  

SW, I would agree with you about Christians, but I don't think everyone here does. I have read his two blobs randomly and carelessly, so I could well be misinterpreting him. Am I wrong that he thinks people like himself are superior?

Blogger Some Dude January 18, 2017 5:52 PM  

Red Emma must be jewish or black.

You bring up this Vox day is stoopid issue on an mudsharking post.

You're obviously offended.

So how about explain why you're offended, rather than offend?

Blogger Some Dude January 18, 2017 5:54 PM  

"5343, true enough, but does he have any candidates? Usually, discerning readers can see greatness long before something makes it into the Canon, sort of like Sainthood. Sure, something that seems timeless now, might seem less so later, but producing a possibility is an achievement one would expect from such a specimen. If, that is, his criteria are really the ones we should be looking for."

I feel gamma radiation.

That being said I would agree someone banging on about their IQ is retardioso.

But you're not arguing in good faith either. Are your sweety?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 18, 2017 5:54 PM  

Define superior. We are in specific ways. We are also inferior in specific ways. Vox has mentioned many times his inability to undterstand spacial relations.
Do you measure your own worth by a test score?

Blogger Red Emma January 18, 2017 5:56 PM  

SW, I was going more by what VD chooses to brag about.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 18, 2017 5:57 PM  

I've been reading here regularly for 6 years. I have yet to see him brag.

You're projecting again.

Blogger Robert What? January 18, 2017 5:57 PM  

@Vox, out of simple curiosity, do you know the similar figures for white male black female couples? (I know such couples are in far fewer numbers)

Blogger Red Emma January 18, 2017 5:58 PM  

SW, that was my point: going by HIS criteria. I'm not the one who thinks iq, being white, etc are important.

Blogger tz January 18, 2017 5:59 PM  

The practice produces blacks (the mixed race progeny) who will be raised with white values by white mothers, and who will be much easier for the rest of us to interact and deal with.

They will be raised with SJW values by stupid women with a track record of bad decisions.

Feral is feral. White, black, or halfbreed.

Not having a Father is the critical factor.

Blogger Red Emma January 18, 2017 6:01 PM  

Some Dude, I never said he was stupid. Obviously, he isn't.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 18, 2017 6:06 PM  

So Vox must not be so smart becauae he's not "accomplished", which term you never define.
You admut you haven't read his work, and when I nominate a candidate as a real work of art, you have no idea what it is.

You're just sniping without basis.

Blogger Red Emma January 18, 2017 6:09 PM  

SW, I guess different things stand out to us, probably because you find his ideas appealing and I find them abhorrent. In my admittedly cursory reading he seems to think white, English, high iq males are superior.

Anonymous rw95 January 18, 2017 6:13 PM  

People complaining about race-mixing...
On a site by a half prairie-nigger.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 18, 2017 6:17 PM  

And you double down.
"I read some out-of-contxt quotes on (insert Leftie website), and decided Vox is abhorrent. Rather than actually read any hatefacts from a bad, unthinkable hatethinker, I came here to repeat other people's lies."

Blogger Red Emma January 18, 2017 6:18 PM  

SW, I think you fairly answered my question by saying that he is, contrary to my impression, a fiction writer of genius. I'm willing to accept that as possible. I wasn't actually sniping out of envy (I'm not an aspiring writer), but out of contempt for his views and distaste for his sense of superiority.

Anonymous Sharrukin January 18, 2017 6:20 PM  

Red Emma is a brainless Hamster.

Why bother attempting to make sense out of its chirping?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 18, 2017 6:21 PM  

And I don't find Vox's ideas "appealing". I don't care if ideas are appealing. I care if they are true. Emotion is irrelevant. Their emotional appeal is less than irrelevant. I find that in many cases, many more cases than the Narrative you have been taught, they reflect reality.

Perhaps you don't think you'd like reality. You should try it. It's pretty awesome.

Blogger Red Emma January 18, 2017 6:21 PM  

SW, I decided he was abhorrent by what I read on his own blogs. That's a separate issue from whether his qualities have resulted in any achievements.

Blogger Cail Corishev January 18, 2017 6:21 PM  

C'mon, guys, what are you supposed to do with poop again? This isn't that hard.

Blogger Red Emma January 18, 2017 6:24 PM  

Actually, it was his bragging that I called unappealing. His ideas are abhorrent to both reason and morality.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 18, 2017 6:26 PM  

but out of contempt for his views and distaste for his sense of superiority.

Projection should be limited to movie theaters. You think you're superior by reason of your solid virtue signallung and unthinking acceptance of the multicultural sexual revolution equality narrative. You have no argument for the numbers Vox posted above, so you resorted to ad hominem. But it wasn't even informed ad hominem.
You're angry that anyone could disagree and be right, as proven by the actual numbers.
Damn I get tired of arguing with women.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 18, 2017 6:30 PM  

Actually, it was his bragging that I called unappealing. His ideas are abhorrent to both reason and morality.
Present a rational argument that refutes any of Vox's ideas. Note, this means his actual ideas, not the ones like superiority, made up in some Lefties head.

C'mon, guys, what are you supposed to do with poop again? This isn't that hard.
Hey, it's ny turn to be Hitler!

Blogger Red Emma January 18, 2017 6:31 PM  

SW, I wasn't arguing the merit of his views. I was just trying to be clear.

Blogger Red Emma January 18, 2017 6:34 PM  

SW, I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else that VD is wrong about race or anything else. I asked about what seemed like an inconsistency and you ably demonstrated that I was wrong about that point. Try not to be such a sore winner.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable January 18, 2017 6:43 PM  

I'm not the one who thinks iq, being white, etc are important.

The question is always, "Important for WHAT?" Obviously different qualities will produce a better result in particular situations.

Talks like a gamma, thinks like a girl.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 18, 2017 6:44 PM  

No, you weren't. You were trying to disqualify on the basis of imagined failings.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 18, 2017 6:45 PM  

@Red Emma,
You're pathetic.

Blogger VD January 18, 2017 7:17 PM  

In my admittedly cursory reading he seems to think white, English, high iq males are superior.

They usually are. That's why so many people want to live in societies created by white English high-IQ men.

But, you see, I am very nearly as American Indian as I am English. So, your core basis for complaining is misguided.

Red Vox

Blogger VD January 18, 2017 7:22 PM  

He's always harping about his superiority and, this discussion as an example, about determinism based on iq, ethnicity, etc. So, why haven't his superior traits produced anything superior?

Since you asked:

"It is the best Fantasy Book of the past 50 years."

"I am willing to go so far as to argue that, with this book, Vox Day has catapulted himself into the storied and rarefied rank of writers that sits just below The Master himself. That's right, I went there. I just said that Vox Day has written a book that is nearly as good as J. R. R. Tolkien's work."

Keeping in mind that one of my other books has been a Political Philosophy bestseller for 17 months now. It's right behind Plato and Thomas Paine.

But perhaps that's not "superior" enough for you. I grant you, I've got nothing on the level with Aristotle or Aquinas.

Blogger SteelPalm January 18, 2017 7:29 PM  

Can't decide who is more idiotic and annoying here; Red Emma or Some Dude.

Red Emma has the higher post count, but does have the advantage of only being a repetitive retard on this single thread, while Some Dude sperges his Stormfaggery everywhere, with multiple replies. Amazingly, he even makes white women mudsharking with blacks mostly about zee Jews.

Surprised he has managed to last longer here than Laguna Beach Fogey, who was far less annoying and one-dimensional, at least.

Anywho, everything I have witnessed myself supports Vox's facts.

Vox didn't even get into the massively higher rates of domestic violence among blacks, especially against white women.

And don't think mudsharking is solely a problem among leftists with lousy parents.

I have a female friend who is of white Dutch ancestry, Christian, great parents, very much right-wing, and proudly voted for Trump.

She also has a mixed race daughter from a black boyfriend she had when she was 19. Needless to say, he wasn't even around for the pregnancy, not in the child's life, and doesn't provide any spousal support, although his family is rich.

Anonymous URL IRL January 18, 2017 7:48 PM  

Red Emma - he gave you an example of someone's opinion of his work. If it's opinion vs. opinion, you've been answered and it's time to move on.

Anonymous Sharrukin January 18, 2017 7:50 PM  

195. Red Emma

modest achievements?

I KNOW its a waste of time but FFS lady he is a bestselling author, runs a publishing house, a former game designer, and runs a popular blog with the media requesting interviews about the threat he poses with the scary Alt-Right.

Where do you get "modest achievements" from that?

Blogger VD January 18, 2017 7:51 PM  

That's enough sniping, Emma. It's pointless and uninteresting. Run along now.

Blogger VD January 18, 2017 7:51 PM  

a former game designer

Not former.

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