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Monday, January 09, 2017

The trough runs dry

The counterproductive drags on the economy are worried that their days of feeding at the federal rough are over:
Federal workers nationwide are bracing for reductions in head counts, civil service protections and salaries when President-elect Donald Trump and Congress turn their attention to government spending later this year.

Trump, who ran on a promise to "drain the swamp," has identified hiring freezes at most federal agencies as a top priority for his early days in office. Republican lawmakers, many of whom have long advocated for reducing Washington's workforce, are looking to cut benefits and make it easier to fire poor performers.

The threats and preliminary steps taken by Congress have created anxiety for many of the government's 2.1 million employees.

"People don't know what to believe, and they're in a state of uneasiness," said Witold Skwierczynski, a Catonsville, Md., who heads the American Federation of Government Employees council that oversees Social Security Administration field offices. "That's the feeling I hear. People are unsettled."
The God-Emperor Ascendant is coming and his axe is sharp indeed. For once, an increase in the number of unemployed Americans will be worth celebrating. But in the interest of fairness, every federal worker being put out to pasture should be offered an employment opportunity. After all, plenty of workers will be needed to BUILD THE WALL.

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Anonymous Rocklea January 09, 2017 5:31 AM  

2.1 million added to the 95 million already not working won't be so bad. The food stamps will be cheaper than the wages.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot January 09, 2017 5:31 AM  

First brick in the wall!

I usually never get to do this. :-)

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot January 09, 2017 5:32 AM  

Dangit! :-)

Blogger Thanks, J. January 09, 2017 5:33 AM  

BUILD THE WALL, DEPORT THE ILLEGALS, END BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP, HEAVILY VET ALL ALIENS ENTERING THE COUNTRY, etc...

Blogger Thanks, J. January 09, 2017 5:34 AM  

@ 3. LOL. One day...

Anonymous Rocklea January 09, 2017 5:35 AM  

Those leaving the EPA can help "Drain the Swamp".

Blogger Shimshon January 09, 2017 5:38 AM  

Those thousands of porn watchers days' are numbered.

I'm waiting for Jerry Brown to give new meaning to the nickname Moonbeam. Bend over Jerry. One third of your budget depends on Trump's signature. Make California Great Again.

Blogger Ron January 09, 2017 5:46 AM  

Thank God. Thank God Almighty.

I am not ashamed to say it, I literally have tears in my eyes. I dont care what any of you people say, I may have left the US, but I have never forgotten her. Israel is my mother, but America was the stepmother who raised me.

I pray to God that this man is what he seems. I pray to God that America remains strong through what is coming.

Anonymous JAMES January 09, 2017 5:51 AM  

The wailing and gnashing of teeth will be heard across the land.

Blogger Sherwood family January 09, 2017 5:54 AM  

As a federal employee I have said for a long time if Trump has to cut my job/department in order to restructure, clean up government, and make things efficient it will be a small price to pay and I can happily join in building the wall even if it hurts my pocket book. Make America Great Again!

Anonymous Be Deplorable, Not Afraid January 09, 2017 5:55 AM  

Actually, in some departments (Energy, EPA, Education) it might be better to get rid of the MORE efficient workers, given how much trouble and damage they are causing. Would you rather pay someone to make your life miserable, or to watch porn all day?

Blogger Stilicho January 09, 2017 5:57 AM  

Perhaps the unemployed govt drones can get jobs at Mozilla, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, etc. and speed up the SJW convergence. Useless bureaucracy + generation trigglypuff = lulz. Lots and lots of lulz.

Blogger Stilicho January 09, 2017 5:58 AM  

Perhaps the unemployed govt drones can get jobs at Mozilla, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, etc. and speed up the SJW convergence. Useless bureaucracy + generation trigglypuff = lulz. Lots and lots of lulz.

Anonymous Rocklea January 09, 2017 6:01 AM  

At least the porn watchers could come up with a ratings system.

Blogger Shimshon January 09, 2017 6:03 AM  

@8 Ron, I'm with you. I wish good things for America and the American people.

Anonymous Rien January 09, 2017 6:24 AM  

For every govt employee you get rid of, you probably also save another unproductive worker in the private sector that was needed to 'feed' that govt employee with 'input'.

Anonymous Silly but True January 09, 2017 6:55 AM  

The Twitter Safety and Security Council, Google, and Huffpost editors are all due to grow by 2m workers. These companies can pay all its new workers in unicorn rainbow poop which I hear is pretty valuable.

Anonymous TLM January 09, 2017 6:58 AM  

This should be awesome.
OT Sorta- The GM CEO (a you go girl woman) is saying they are staying in Mexico and won't be bullied by Trump. This will be fun to watch

Anonymous Eric the Red January 09, 2017 7:00 AM  

I love this, just love it.

For over a decade it's been almost impossible for a white male to be hired by a federal government agency. A racial breakdown of current employees would reveal a lot of useless dindus collecting the equivalent of government on-the-job welfare.

Now leftists keep on trying to foist the meme about "they're all so afraid", as if that automatically gives them some kind of moral authority.

Is it but to laugh. I truly hope all federal agencies shrink by 50%; goodbye and good riddance.

Anonymous Nick January 09, 2017 7:07 AM  

Trump can offer a discount on funerary niches in the wall for federal workers and their families. It will help offset the cost.

Blogger Skyler the Weird January 09, 2017 7:10 AM  

Their days of getting paid to come into the office and surf porn sites all day are over.

Anonymous Rocklea January 09, 2017 7:14 AM  

In the case of the intel agencies offer decent redundancies, fire the ones that stay, then vet and rehire the ones who quit.

Blogger Dave January 09, 2017 7:22 AM  

We've constantly been told civil service workers are making a yuuge sacrifice in wages and career paths to serve the public and would do much better in the private sector. Well now, many of them will have the opportunity to show us.

OpenID basementhomebrewer January 09, 2017 7:28 AM  

I applaud the effort but this is going to be a hard row to hoe. The only real way to do it is to get congress to repeal the law that allows public sector unions. That is going to be a hard sell because the federal bureaucracy is the real origin of the establishment. Elected officials come and go but federal employees spend 30+ year in Washington.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar January 09, 2017 7:29 AM  

Not all of us are worried. Marine depots are hopeful.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 09, 2017 7:32 AM  

If the new administration is serious they can start by shit canning federal contractors like this one. This asshole get's a six figure salary from the DOD to try an warp military culture so it resembles an SJW college campus.

The video also shows Domitrz playing out a date scenario where the female is in control. He instructs a female Marine to put her hand on a male Marine’s leg to “show that she’s interested.”

Well I suppose you should consider the possibility that she is a cannibal and is deciding whether or not you are ripe for harvesting but I would have to say depending on where she felt you up, clawing your leg is a reliable IOI.

Domitrz said the most common reaction for men, “Yes, she wants me,” is flawed...

That assumption means, “We completely misread [the female Marine].”

Oh shit! She is a cannibal!!

“She was only letting us know she was a little interested, and we took it much further,” Domitrz said.

What do you mean WE, white man? Domitrz appears to live in a world where one quick kino on her part completely disconnects all higher brain functions in men, reducing us all to trembling, panting, rape monsters.


He's not the only one like this. There are others giving servicemen lecture's on fucking White Privilege.

Bottomline, these guys aren't federal employees. They can be fired on Day One. But will they be? That is the big question.

Blogger Roger Hill January 09, 2017 7:35 AM  

My wife worked for our local county government fresh out of school. She was a book keeper for the county assessor, collecting taxes and revenue from citizens a good part of the time.. I once asked her why all the best parking spaces are reserved for particular workers, people who the taxpayers employ to serve. Such a thing is so opposite of most businesses. A business will actively demand employees park in the back of the lot, leaving the more convenient spaces for those paying for their jobs. She told me things about the attitude of government employees that made me sick. I knew she had to be right. It was obvious to me having gone myself to fork over hard earned money at that office. We were not considered customers are people to serve. We were referred to as "the public", and not in anyway remotely positive. They didn't give a flip about how long people had to wait or whether they had to go back home to get a document which the workers could have more easily found themselves.

A worker in any position who has no worry about consequences due to poor performance is likely a worker who will barely perform at all.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 09, 2017 7:48 AM  

22. Rocklea

In the case of the intel agencies offer decent redundancies, fire the ones that stay, then vet and rehire the ones who quit.

Dude, the decent Field Officers quit years ago and came back on board as government contractors at twice their old salary. I'm not joking.

The majority of Humint gathered is provided by private companies at this point.

Anonymous Garrulus January 09, 2017 7:48 AM  

Woes now fully doxxed by traitor lies press
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/meet-vile-vlogger-whose-racist-9586908

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky January 09, 2017 7:50 AM  

DC denizen here. It's incredible how many federal employees do butt-kiss. When they are found to be doing butt-kiss, they simply get moved around (and often promoted up and away). But the more incredible thing is that it really doesn't matter if they did work or not, and we actually want them doing as little as possible. Of course it's better to have them not at all, but if we must have them, we should have them taking 2-3 hour lunches and going to the movies on our dime (as happens more than anybody will admit). Very little of what the bureaucracies do is beneficial. Very much of what they do is actively harmful in fact!

Blogger Orville January 09, 2017 8:02 AM  

@28 Dude, the decent Field Officers quit years ago and came back on board as government contractors at twice their old salary. I'm not joking.

I know more than a few double dippers who retired from federal jobs and went straight into a contractor making double their old salary plus their retirement. Trump should drain that swamp by putting a five year rule on federal retirees returning to federal contractors.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 09, 2017 8:02 AM  

As a federal employee I have said for a long time if Trump has to cut my job/department in order to restructure, clean up government, and make things efficient it will be a small price to pay and I can happily join in building the wall even if it hurts my pocket book. Make America Great Again!

I had the same attitude toward my job when I worked in pharmaceuticals. During the last 50 years a cancer grew in the economy, characterized by entire swaths of "employment" that while often quite remunerative, were worse than deadweight losses to the whole.

The main driver of this was Congress' apparent ability to spend without first having to tax. The result was a de facto patronage army of people whose jobs depended entirely on Uncle Sam's check-writing, and most of them vote blue and pill blue.

Trump's indicated moves are just more evidence that credit contraction is moving to the fore.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 09, 2017 8:07 AM  

I applaud the effort but this is going to be a hard row to hoe. The only real way to do it is to get congress to repeal the law that allows public sector unions. That is going to be a hard sell because...

This, and can we all just stop & imagine for one moment the VASTNESS of the disparate impact if job retention was based on performance, much less if gone-but-not-forgotten Civil Service standards were reinstituted?

Blogger dc.sunsets January 09, 2017 8:08 AM  

Quality is the mortal enemy of holy diversity.

Blogger Dexter January 09, 2017 8:11 AM  

Federal workers are mostly Democrats, so fuck them anyway, let them starve in the street.

Blogger Dexter January 09, 2017 8:12 AM  

Now leftists keep on trying to foist the meme about "they're all so afraid", as if that automatically gives them some kind of moral authority.

To which I say, GOOD, I hope your fears prove justified.

Blogger Cerdic Ricing January 09, 2017 8:26 AM  

The government payroll is mostly ranked by our enemies. It would be a good win if Trump fires them and gets rid of their way to take home the bacon.

It feels good to strike back.

Anonymous king missile January 09, 2017 8:31 AM  

Fed here, salaries and benefits are not competitive for professionals, engineers and advanced degree holders, but blue collar jobs are largely overpaid. Starting salary for an engineer straight out of school is about 40k even at NASA.

In my job they had to offer 10k bonuses for 4 years to to get people to join and stay due to how uncompetitive pay was.

It is also frustrating to work with incompetents. Feds have low levels of corruption, but if salaries stagnate expect it to occur. I for example have seen my salary only go up 3 percent since 2010 due to pay freeze and not getting full fed raises for bring on locality pay.

The real costs are largely contractors who cost about 3x a fed. They get market pay and about the same benefits, but booze Allen and the like make plenty off the overhead. Many do the know that most of the low level jobs are all contracted out now, though much out the workforce that remains outside of the professional sector id inefficient and doesn't care.

Why would they, their pay raise is the same no matter what they do. Even in my job, which is a tech based quota job, pay raises are the same for the top and lowest performer.

Anonymous Mark Auld January 09, 2017 8:44 AM  

Thanks garrulus for posting article about Woes,I've wondered about him since new years.we will see if the attacks spread to all on the net.Hell,they will have an army of unemployed sjw,s to do that work shortly.

Anonymous king missile January 09, 2017 8:56 AM  

If you want to see some of the crap I have to deal with as a fed, search for the EPA poop bandit.

Blogger Undocumented Pharmacist January 09, 2017 9:07 AM  

...trembling, panting, rape monsters.

And my rock-band has new name.

By the way, ladies, every night we play is ladies night.

Blogger Robert What? January 09, 2017 9:11 AM  

Let's hope this is a promise Trump keeps. The federal workers are terrified because they know that after years in the federal bubble they are virtually unemployable in the private sector.

Anonymous Avalanche January 09, 2017 9:19 AM  

@34 "Quality is the mortal enemy of holy diversity."

I'll happily join THAT army!

Blogger Robert Coble January 09, 2017 9:20 AM  

Amusing (NOT REALLY!) TRUE STORY from inside the belly of the beast:

The government SJWs provide a program whereby the number of MINORITIES (which includes those 50 shades of gender) can be promoted because there are too few of them in highly technical fields, such as programming. A WHITE FEMALE employee signs on for the Civil Service GS-4 secretary to GS-12 programmer training program. Without ever taking ONE programming course ANYWHERE and without any study on her part, she is immediately promoted to GS-9 to start the program. After one year on the "job," she is promoted to GS-11. Again, without any effort on her part, she is promoted to GS-12 the following year. All of these promotions CANNOT be stopped by her immediate management (who MUST support the DIVERSITY program at all costs - because DIVERSITY trumps COMPETENCE in Civil Service!

Current pay rates for the geographic area where she worked:

GS-4: $30,155-$39,197
GS-9: $51,118-$66,457
GS-11: $61,848-$80,399
GS-12: $74,131-$96,373

Wait! There's more to the story!

A new manager (a Navy Lt. Commander) takes over the division she works in. He assigns her a program to be changed, based on her pay grade, making the (FALSE) assumption that a GS-12 programmer can (GASP!) actually program. After two months of her working PAID OVERTIME on the weekends, he asks her for a status report on her progress. She informs him that she has made NO progress BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO PROGRAM. However, she did let him know that she was a very good secretary, and that she would be glad to type any memos for him, or make coffee for him, or answer his phone for him.

He takes the situation up the chain of command to the Executive Director (GM-15), requesting that she be summarily fired for incompetence.

OH NO! You CANNOT fire a Civil Service employee for INCOMPETENCE, especially NOT DIVERSITY EMPLOYEES IN THE TRAINING PROGRAM!

He is told to put her on a ONE-YEAR "training plan" to bring her skills up to her pay grade. Naif that he was, he asked if he would be able to fire her if she did not perform as a result of the "training plan." He was assured by the Executive Director GM-15 (current salary range $122,530-$159,292) that if he documented EVERYTHING (all training, reviews, programming assignments, etc.) for ONE YEAR, then they would fire her if she did not improve to the required level of a GS-12 programmer.

Fool that he was, he followed those instructions to the letter. He sent her to the local community college, enrolled in the introductory programming courses, with the training AND her GS-12 salary paid for by the rubes (er, TAXPAYERS), and all programming assignments completed during work hours at work. (At least she wasn't surfing porn sites.) He documented EVERYTHING copiously.

She did not learn how to program AT ALL. However, she did make excellent coffee!

At the end of the year, he took his case file (about 3 inches thick) back to the Executive Director, and showed the complete absence of any significant improvement. She was totally incompetent as a programmer and apparently UNTRAINABLE.

In less than a week, he got his answer: HE was removed as the manager and reassigned to another organization. A GM-13 was placed in charge and that was the end of the "training plan" and any attempt to remove her.

She, on the other hand, started agitating for promotion to GM-13 (currently $88,151-$114,595), on the basis that she had been unfairly treated by the Navy by being placed on a training plan. Besides, she had been there longer than some other cretins (er, "programmers") who had been promoted through the same program, and it was "her turn."

I bailed out at age 48 because I couldn't take it anymore. And yes, I made considerably more in the private sector than I ever did as a Civil Service employee.

Blogger Gordon January 09, 2017 9:21 AM  

basementhomebrewer wrote: The only real way to do it is to get congress to repeal the law that allows public sector unions.

I'm not sure Congress is needed. Federal unions were allowed by executive order of JFK. I suspect it might not ever have been codified because, you know, progress is a ratchet. No one contemplated someone who might come along and rescind that order.

The president may not be able to fire a particular employee without going through the process, which can be long and tedious. But he can order that employee to sit in a room with no phones, desks, computers or wifi for eight hours a day until the process is done.

The president also has power over swaths of employees. Reagan was able to fire the air traffic controllers because they walked out en masse. I can see a bunch of AFSCME employees trying a protest strike, and Trump ordering them fired.

Anonymous Thales January 09, 2017 9:22 AM  

After all, plenty of workers will be needed to BUILD THE WALL.

Shovel-ready jobs!

Blogger Dominic Saltarelli January 09, 2017 9:22 AM  

Well, this does bring up the issue of Intellectual Property again. Several thousand govt employees work for the USPTO. What do you think Trump will do regarding the Patent Office? Fewer examiners would mean more allowances which would mean more lawsuits.

Anonymous king missile January 09, 2017 9:35 AM  

Go class 725!

Anonymous genericviews January 09, 2017 9:41 AM  

The generals and civilians at the Pentagon are gleefully rubbing their hands together taking about a 100K personnel increase just in the Army. Plus all the new toys they will need for those people. Civilians at the HHS are distraught at the prospect that all their progress in the past 8 years is about to be undone with the stroke of a pen. No one is worried about losing jobs. The big worry seems to be the fear of not having enough workers since lots of the hard core lefties are expected to quit and try to get jobs in the semi-private sector (like Huma Abedine's "private sector" job). Government contractors, multi-nations orgs, leftist think tanks and NGOs, etc.

Blogger VD January 09, 2017 9:42 AM  

What do you think Trump will do regarding the Patent Office?

Probably nothing. They're not the problem.

Anonymous Michael Maier January 09, 2017 9:46 AM  

31. Blogger Orville January 09, 2017 8:02 AM
@28 Dude, the decent Field Officers quit years ago and came back on board as government contractors at twice their old salary. I'm not joking.

I know more than a few double dippers who retired from federal jobs and went straight into a contractor making double their old salary plus their retirement. Trump should drain that swamp by putting a five year rule on federal retirees returning to federal contractors.


Dude, my building had TRIPLE DIPPERS. "Worked" 20 for the military, retired. "Worked" 20 more for FEDs, retired. Came back as contractors.

Some did the exact same job with all three employers.

Both the military and the feds wised up and that's next to impossible now, unless you want to work til you're 100.

Blogger Johnny January 09, 2017 9:48 AM  

The problem is not so much how hard the federal employees work, but seeing to it that they are doing something useful. And it would be big step forward if dismissal were easier. Again, not so much to get them to work harder, but as a means to get the boss back in charge of the company. Now they have a lot of license to go rogue.

As for putting them in a room to sit all day, get an office building in Alaska and let them sit around up there.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 09, 2017 9:52 AM  

The IRS, target one. A buddy's brother supervised in KC and he left early because he was a super for a bunch of dindus who would do nothing, which thinking about it is probably for the best.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 09, 2017 9:55 AM  

What do we know?
1. All monopolies obey the inviolable rules of monopolies.
2. The "government" is a monopoly.
3. The absence of limits ushers in vast waste.
4. Combine absence of limits and the inviolable rules of monopolies.

The political system grew during the last 35 years when congress could spend money without having to actually tax to enable it, and the central axiom of monopoly is that over time it will become a black hole for resources while output of goods will decline to zero, and then go negative in the aggregate (i.e., the production of BADS will rise geometrically, if not exponentially.)

The spreading ripples of destruction from the credit bubble, combined with central-bank-enabled fiat money, cannot be overestimated.

Sooner or later we're going to spend month after month, year after year as the fog clears in successive waves and we see just how much gangrene is already solidly embedded in every aspect of our lives.

The interesting part is that while for 28 years we've heard Doom-and-Gloom from one corner or another, people ACTED on a deeply held belief in Up, Up, Up. Now that it appears the trend is finally, visibly turning, people are ACTING differently. Trump was elected, and many other signs that people are girding for contraction are evident.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 09, 2017 9:55 AM  

The Federal Civil Service is NOT monolithic. The Department of Defense has one culture, decidedly SJW-resistant though under siege. The welfare agencies? You don't want to think about them if you have a weak stomach.

I will say that one measure Trump needs to remember is to wield the carrot as well as the stick. Just about everyone in Federal pay has a first or second-hand story about someone who worked themselves near to death...and got nothing for their trouble but a kick in the teeth.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 09, 2017 9:59 AM  

Applying the Sacrament of Holy Diversity hardest to federal employment is actually a hilarious precursor to that vast labyrinthine machine suddenly freezing up into a solid block of scrap.

It is just one more place where as the cupboard is finally recognized as bare, the rats will go to war with each other over the few scraps and out-dated cans that can be found among the dust bunnies.

Popcorn time.

Blogger Gordon January 09, 2017 10:05 AM  

genericviews wrote:. . . lots of the hard core lefties are expected to quit and try to get jobs in the semi-private sector (like Huma Abedine's "private sector" job).


There may be fewer of these jobs. I'd expect someone in Trump's White House to be combing through federal grants, looking to eliminate the life support for many of these "nonprofits." Yeah, Soros has some cash. So do some others. But are Bill and Hillary going to keep paying for Sid Blumenthal et al forever? Especially considering that there's no reason to donate to the Clinton Shakedown Foundation any more. It costs a lot to maintain the grifters' current lifestyle, and ain't no one going to be eager to subsidize it.

Unless, of course, one is hoping that lifetime underachiever Chelsea could actually, you know, convince a voter to choose her.

Blogger Sheila4g January 09, 2017 10:07 AM  

If Trump "drains the swamp" in any meaningful sense, the Negro "middle class" in D.C. and environs (all those Negroes who took over PG county) will be back on welfare. Remember, it's always "women and minorities hardest hit."

Anonymous NateM January 09, 2017 10:19 AM  

I Guess i'll step in with the requisite NAFALT! (Not All Feds are Like That). Though some criticisms are absolutely true. I've always heard about these employees who do nothing all day and take a check, but I always used to joke with my fed coworkers and say "how exactly do I get THAT job?" since I never worked in a place where that was the case.

That being said I hope trump uses the scalpel rather than the axe in these cuts. They would be able to get rid of a fair number of people just by applying fair performance standards. While I've never seen jobs where people literally get paid to surf porn/do nothing, I have seen people who basically do the bare minimum to avoid getting in trouble. If they simply demanded people were held accountable the most lazy would able to be terminated, and plenty of marginal employees would at least be more productive and better for the same salary. And i'm sure plenty of them would start doing the math in their head and realize their prospects in the private sector are far worse than just sacking up and working harder at the still semi cushy job they have.

Honestly that's the way, they need to just demand more from people who aren't putting in as much effort as they could and bam, the government gets more efficient. IF the average fed worker is doing 25% more (and yes, plenty would have to work 75% harder to meet the standard) the salaries might be justified. And keep in mind this isn't the executive grade people making 140k+, your average gs9-gs11 would be making more like 50-60k

Blogger Robert Coble January 09, 2017 10:22 AM  

If you think the "solution" to incompetency is to put a Civil Service employee into "time out" so that (eventually) she/he/it will finally QUIT out of boredom - think again. It won't happen. That kind of person LOVES being in those kind of "safe spaces." No responsibilities, no schedules or deadlines to keep, no work, plus all pay and perks safe until retirement - what's NOT to love about that?!?

I knew an incompetent GM-15. His "claim to fame" was running multiple software programs into the ground. He used to berate me in staff meetings, because I had the audacity to tell him that I might miss a 6-month milestone by no more than a WEEK. All of the other managers would ALWAYS parrot "ON TIME, ON SCHEDULE!" in every weekly staff meeting - and would then be 6-12 MONTHS late EVERY TIME.

I once took two of my technical staff with me into a status meeting in his office to brief him. I started the briefing, and realized after less than 30 SECONDS that he was sound asleep. I looked at my people, and then quietly told them we were leaving so that he could get some much needed rest. I never did give him the status briefing.

After years of incompetent management, he was finally "removed" from running any projects within the organization. As "compensation," he was allowed to remain in his cushy private office, with a maxed out PC as a play toy, and given the "responsibility" of taking regular trips to Washington D.C. to shmooze the money people in the Pentagon for more projects.

He kept that cushy assignment for nearly two years before "retiring."

R.I.P. (Retired In Place) is a common occurrence in Civil Service, assuming (often a BIG unfounded assumption) that the individual is/was competent in the first place.

Blogger pyrrhus January 09, 2017 10:22 AM  

@51 In Illinois, "triple dipping" by politicians and state workers remains possible die tp arcane laws. Not surprisingly, Illinois has the worst funded pensions in the US....

Anonymous NateM January 09, 2017 10:26 AM  

@53 "The IRS, target one."

At least the IRS actually collects revenue, including the unpleasant task of collecting unpaid taxes. Sure nobody is a fan of the IRS, but less tax revenue means greater deficits, larger national debt, etc. I've read articles where the pendulum is swinging back from the Non Profit scandals towards criticizing the IRS for diverting money away from positions that actually provide taxpayer assistance. The truth is that whole scandal had nothing to do with the rank and file and everything to do with some appointee of Obama's playing the game he wanted them to. So maybe at this point they'll try to actually hire people who can actually Do something. I know personally that a person waiting on the phone to ask a question could end up on hold for 45-90 minutes on any given day. And these are the people that are going to actually Help taxpayers, answer questions, etc.

Blogger Doom January 09, 2017 10:26 AM  

If I had my way, Witold Skwierczynski would be the first fucker looking for a job, or more likely finding a safe rock in some foreign hole to hide under. All of "his" employees, also, would be finding a new country. Cuba, China, NorK, don't care. Europe won't be safe for them, as they are finally coming around too. Even Soros knows that.

I can dream. But I do understand, for now.

Blogger Salt January 09, 2017 10:44 AM  

NateM wrote:less tax revenue means greater deficits, larger national debt, etc.
Involuntary taxation is theft.

Anonymous king missile January 09, 2017 10:49 AM  

Trump could empty out the Madison building and no one would notice. The office runs itself.

Blogger Dominic Saltarelli January 09, 2017 10:53 AM  

lol, true

Anonymous Precious January 09, 2017 10:56 AM  

I distinctly recall back during the primaries a fed bureaucrat posting here vociferously insisting this very scenario was impossible if Trump won. And when we told him he was wrong that his co-workers were laughing at us for being so ignorant.

Anonymous NateM January 09, 2017 11:00 AM  

@64 so any tax you don't choose to pay is involuntary?

Anonymous BBGKB January 09, 2017 11:05 AM  

Those thousands of porn watchers days' are numbered.

Will they keep playing World of Warcraft in their free time?

disparate impact if job retention was based on performance, much less if gone-but-not-forgotten Civil Service standards were reinstituted?

Even better if the civil service test results were public records. There are accounts of PHDs scoring at 3rd grade level math.

Quality is the mortal enemy of holy diversity. Quality is the opposite of Equality.

The Department of Defense has one culture, decidedly SJW-resistant though under siege

The perfumed princes of the pentagon were the first to wear drag when tranny uniforms passed.

Especially considering that there's no reason to donate to the Clinton Shakedown Foundation any more

She might run in 2020. http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/11/28/youve-got-kidding-me.-hillary-clinton-looking-2020-run/

Blogger The Other Robot January 09, 2017 11:14 AM  

In other good news Worldcon has just let me know that nominations are open for 2017.

Blogger rcocean January 09, 2017 11:25 AM  

Comments on Federal workers always bring out the Stupid. First, people need to understand not all Government workers are alike. Fed workers don't bargain - they don't get excessive pensions - and they haven't gotten more than a 2% payraise in the last 10 years.

Fed contractors is where the big waste/fraud and abuse is. You have 100% cost-type contractors getting paid private sector salaries for public sector performance. But don't go after them 'cause "Muh free market".

Blogger rcocean January 09, 2017 11:26 AM  

Trump has excluded Border patrol and DOD from his projected cuts, which shows how smart he is compared to "conservatives".

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl January 09, 2017 12:01 PM  

One possibility would be to give a majority of the federal employees the ultimatum - get fired, or take a buyout option on the condition they don't hold public office or work for the public sector ever again.

Perhaps give some of them a voucher option to start a business or something. I wouldn't trust the fedemps with that, but it's a way to keep them quiet.

Or: fire them and let them collect a small pension with conditions.

Lots of ways to get rid of leeches.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl January 09, 2017 12:08 PM  

rcocean wrote:Comments on Federal workers always bring out the Stupid. First, people need to understand not all Government workers are alike. Fed workers don't bargain - they don't get excessive pensions - and they haven't gotten more than a 2% payraise in the last 10 years.

Fed contractors is where the big waste/fraud and abuse is. You have 100% cost-type contractors getting paid private sector salaries for public sector performance. But don't go after them 'cause "Muh free market".


There is this, but those contracts still run through the government and they tend to work through regulatory capture, cronyism, etc. Those "private" contracts are meant for skimming, typically for government officials and their buds in the "free" market, as you call it.

You get rid of one part of the problem and the next will follow through.

And if you read some of the comments, you'd see that there is the understanding that some federal jobs are necessary. It's the Grand Bureaucracy that's the problem. Conflating park rangers and border patrol with Lois Lerner and James Comey is not what's happening here.

Blogger Crank January 09, 2017 12:13 PM  

I don't understand the problem here. I was reliably informed by the press that there would be a huge voluntary exodus of Federal employees if Trump won, just on principle.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 09, 2017 12:19 PM  

That Trump was famous for saying "You're fired!" certainly wasn't a negative with the voters.

Blogger Doom January 09, 2017 12:28 PM  

rcocean,

Seriously? Because of it being unionized, the federal work force is terribly dangerous. Even the damned commie FDR knew better. Not you, though, of course. You must be among them, or tight with them, or just a stupid twat. Thick as thieves or not so bright. Heck, maybe you doubled dipped in corruption, are you academic? Bleh.

Anonymous genericviews January 09, 2017 12:28 PM  

@72, there is nothing smart about excluding DoD from cuts. DoD is every bit as much a bloated bureaucracy as the rest of the government. Example: The band. Further example: Chaplains. Further example: over 400 active duty generals just in the Army. Further example: ten aircraft carriers, more than the rest of the world put together. Further Example: AFRICOM, A new joint HQ to control our forces in Africa, A continent we are not currently at war with. I could go on. Just having an actual constitutional purpose is no barrier to wasting funds on plenty of non-essential things.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 09, 2017 12:33 PM  

@77 Doom: I hate to break it to you, but the Federal workforce is less than 25% union...with NO right to go on strike. It's not like state and local governments - those are real bastions of inefficiency, even by Federal standards.

Blogger rcocean January 09, 2017 12:43 PM  

@77 - you're precisely the kind of stupid moron I was discussing. I assume you're trying to out of an IRS audit or running some sort of scam and afraid the Feds will come after you. It'd explain the knuckle-dragging hatred.

Anonymous king missile January 09, 2017 1:08 PM  

There's no point to joining a federal union, they represent you even if you don't pay dues. Employees can't strike so the unions are a paper tiger. All they do is argue for more benefits and protect poor employees from getting fired. If you are a high performer they can't do much for you.

Anonymous Steve Canyon January 09, 2017 1:56 PM  

They need to include the military in that reduction. Gut the EO types, the Sexual Assault training types, the victim peddling jobs, the busywork for bureaucrats and rotund SLUFs and single moms in uniform and replace them with straightleg infantry and other combat-ready personnel. Make the physical training standards equal for the sexes, and you'll weed out most of those people, not to mention all the fat SNCO's that do fuck-all and are essentially ROAD. Reduce all general officer rank requirements by at least one star, and limit their slots. 30 year officers steeped in cold-war era tactics and strategy are shown the door. Base promotions less on stratification and buttsharking and more on leadership ability. Eliminate all professional military education that does not involve the martial aspects of leadership, and reward those who are able to think outside the box.

Once that's done, then we'll work on the really serious structural problems of the military.

Blogger Robert Coble January 09, 2017 2:08 PM  

Comments 44 and 60 were about DoD employees. These were NOT atypical, rare exceptions but the rule. There ARE some hard-working Cvil Service employees, but they have to fight against the majority who are drones, or (in most cases) mid-level bureaucrats who shuffle paperwork. The DoD government organizations are fully converged. You dare not express anything either vocally or in writing in opposition to Holy Diversity, unless you are looking to get killed (figuratively, not literally) on the job.

I once made the suggestion that any DoD employee should be able to point out waste, fraud and abuse, and receive ONE HALF of the estimated first-year savings in cash. The only objection was that if someone "saved" a $BILLION, that would mean they get $500 MILLION. My response was: yeah, but it also means the TAXPAYERS would actually SAVE $500 MILLION. Can you imagine the eagle-eye view the drones would apply to rooting out waste, fraud and abuse if they could benefit from it like THAT?!?

Blogger weka January 09, 2017 2:08 PM  

@82. I thought a few good wars would have sorted that out. The imperial system was this: if you were in the army, you went to the borderlands and fought. If in the navy, you blockaded and killed pirates.

In peacetime.

If you did not do those things, you were not army or navy.

Agree no zampolits and rule 37 as a principle for engagement ("There is no overkill. There is open fire and reload")

Blogger KRW January 09, 2017 3:04 PM  

I worked as enlisted for the AF for 8 years and followed on with 25 years of civil service working the E3 AWACS at the flight line level. The job position was emergency essential worldwide deployable, which was done often enough, and required a security clearance. As a fed employee as a maintenance advisor/assist guy/trainer I actually did do a lot of advising and hands on assisting and training and deploying. There were also a fair amount of down days with nothing to do. This would typically follow what the troops were doing since we (about 8 in the office) were imbedded within the troops maintenance and flight line complex. We were surrounded 24/7 with troops. The job required interfacing with contractors and other govt agencies regarding upgrades and part repair et al. I found the rules and bureaucracy irritating and often in the way of getting the jet fixed and back on the mission schedule. I also found that this irritation was prevalent throughout the mid low level work force that was in the business of directly and indirectly supporting the mission. No government DOD computer that I know of has the capacity for porn surfing. All log ins and websites/emails are recorded and stored (at least temporarily) in accordance with government directives. The rules governing what you can do with the computer workstation are rather extensive and a guarantee for trouble if you violate them. All the silly talk about government employees is mostly untrue. The key word here is....mostly. There is absolutely some measure of substance to some of the silly talk. I have been there and done some of it myself.

All that being said, I absolutely agree that a loss of 20 percent of DOD civilians through a proper reorganization and consolidation of the internals is very doable. The problem is going to be "who" is going to this very important and potentially tricky thing? I can think of a bazillion ways that this could go horribly wrong and end up seriously impacting military readiness and mission. The troops depend much more on the civilian and contractor workforce and infrastructure to be able to do the military job than most folks realize. Someone(s) very very smart (and with considerable authority) would be needed for this task.

Perhaps the mouths spouting off here could qualify? Maybe? VD is smart enough but the current roles he plays are more important in the big picture of things and he must not be distracted from them. Any who take on a project such as this must be able to take the heat for the potential years it would take to overhaul the system. And it very much needs overhaul. And that is just the DOD. The other government entities might be better off being erased and brand new structures built if/as needed.

Do not count on me to it either. I have done my service. There is not a vault big enough to hold the money required, or anything else offered, to get me to do it again. I left at age 52 in year 2012 under early retirement option offered during a reduction in force (RIF). They did not want me to go because of my specialty and experience in that position. They screwed themselves the final time because the rules could not exclude me. Besides, it was time for me to go. I had lost the mojo and was tired of it all. I have no regrets about serving, about the career, or about leaving. I do not wish civil service to fail. I do wish the needed parts of it to survive and flourish in an updated, efficient, and conservative true public service way.

My brain fart railings are finished. Sorry if my rant was bothersome. I humbly beg forgiveness and will quietly get back to my lurking.

Later,

KRW

Anonymous genericviews January 09, 2017 3:11 PM  

@ 82. The problem with rewarding leadership and out of the box thinking is that the people giving the rewards lack the ability to recognize those traits. Further, "thinking outside the box" is what Bergdahl was doing. It doesn't always work like you expect. The only thing that justifies out of the box thinking is winning. Our military lacks even the ability to recognize that since losing isn't even possible. In real war, military geniuses have a higher attrition rate than plodding logisticians. The saying at the national training center used to be, If you defy doctrine and win, you are a hero. If you defy doctrine and lose, you are a moron.

Anonymous genericviews January 09, 2017 3:15 PM  

@ 83. There is no waste fraud or abuse in the DoD. Just choices. The lowest ranking private makes different choices than the SECDEF. The SECDEF has the authority to make those choices, the PVT-2 does not. So, when the SECDEF decides to spend 4x the market rate for jet fuel because it's from a "renewable energy source", that's not waste. It's a choice. If you don't like the choice, fire the chooser. But then, chances are high, you don't have that authority either.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar January 09, 2017 3:36 PM  

@85 KRW
I agree with everything that you just said.
It has not changed much since you left, it seems.

Blogger John Williams January 09, 2017 4:56 PM  

The wailing and gnashing of teeth will be heard across the land.
Remember how they cried when they got a paid vacation? Those let go deserve less sympathy.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot January 09, 2017 5:05 PM  

Robert Coble @60: "If you think the 'solution' to incompetency is to put a Civil Service employee into 'time out' so that (eventually) she/he/it will finally QUIT out of boredom - think again. It won't happen. That kind of person LOVES being in those kind of 'safe spaces'."

WOOHOO HELL YEAH PUT ME IN THE SPECIAL PROJECTS CUBICLE! :-)

Seriously, isn't a lot of Scott Adams's "Dilbert" series more or less a grinding procession of vignettes about precisely these kinds of people?

You'd think that with some "how-to guides" out there, the stereotypes would be harder to maintain ... and yet there's Big US Gee failing to disappoint.

"Drain the swamp" ... yeah, about that, we're going to have to rent one of those really big tunnel boring machines so the swamp denizens don't expect it's coming ... anyone have some really loud music to distract them for a few months while we noisily sneak up on them? :-)

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot January 09, 2017 5:18 PM  

Vox @50:

Trump may even choose to push for more inspectors just to ensure the timely movement of patents through the US patent system.

Having the US system work better and faster than the other Madrid Protocol and WIPO patent authorities would probably do much to help his "more jobs at home" approach.

Blogger Robert Coble January 09, 2017 5:21 PM  

@87: genericviews

Defining away the problems using verbiage does not change them into benefits.

Very early on in my role as a project manager JG (essentially, a trainee), I personally saw a contract awarded for $168,000 to "fix" a problem that my detailer estimated to cost $25 including all parts and labor. Yes, it WAS someone's "choice;" that does NOT make it any less waste, fraud and abuse, especially of the taxpayer's trust. As I climbed the ladder, becoming responsible for multi-million dollar projects, the problems didn't change; only the dollar size of the problems changed.

I fought tooth-and-nail against the management and technical consensus that the switch-over from old 1960's superminicompters ($1,000,000 each, 17 users max) to modern Unix servers ($25,000 LAN-based server with virtually unlimited users) for the Navy Shipboard Non-tactical ADP Program II (SNAP-II) would require 100-150 programmers and approximately 5-7 years. I finally got the attention of our Navy Captain by arguing LOUDLY against that approach. He asked me point-blank (privately) if I thought I could pull off the conversion faster and cheaper. I offered to do the job with 10 hand-picked people and in less than 15 months - or he could have my resignation from Civil Service; he gave me the project lead. I developed the conversion tools by myself for two months. I then got ONE technical person that I had requested by name. One month later, I got two junior people whom I had never met before. The fourth month, I got one contractor. I didn't get the target Unix server until two weeks before we deployed the first increment; I set up a Linux server for development work. We had 1.2 million SLOC written in an archaic version of COBOL, which compiler had been developed as a student project, with nearly 20,000 SLOC of assembler interface code. I had all of the interface code re-written into standard ANSI C. We developed our own screen package and documentation tools. We used Windows PCs as the terminals, with full graphics and mouse support. (The old system had dumb 24x80 terminals, black and green text only.)

We went on board the USS Kennedy with the first increment at the five-month point. We were done with the entire thing in less than 10 months calendar time, start to finish, on board the USS Leyte Gulf.

You might categorize that as a mere choice by someone. I don't think that most TAXPAYERS (including me) see it that way.


Blogger Robert Coble January 09, 2017 6:02 PM  

90. Post Alley Crackpot:

Here's a funny personal story about Scott Adams and the Dilbert series.

I had a project manager demand that I produce a project estimate of time and labor requirements - without having the project specification. I tried nicely to tell her I couldn't do it (and why not), but she wasn't having it. When she persisted, I told her it would take 10 years and 1,000 people. Her response: "UNACCEPTABLE!" I then told her it would take two weeks and 1 person. Again, her response was "UNACCEPTABLE!" I then told her to come up with her own damn estimate. She flounced off in a huff.

It pissed me off, so I made my own Dilbert cartoon of the situation. I cut and pasted various pictures of the Pointy-Haired Manager and Dilbert, with the conversation I had just had with her. I put it up on my cubicle entrance, and waited for her to come back.

She liked to come by my cubicle and read the Dilbert cartoon every day. (I put up the current cartoon every morning.) When she saw the "new" one, she started laughing and said, "That Scott Adams is SO FUNNY!" She stopped laughing and stormed away when I told her that I had actually done that one, based on our previous conversation. It gave me a whole week to get the project specification and come up with a plausible estimate.

I didn't get the nickname "Crazy Bob" for nothing.

Anonymous Lawyer Guy January 09, 2017 6:10 PM  

My local VA has been sitting on new psychologist and social worker hires because the selected employees are "too white". Best thing Trump could do is fire all the human resources in the federal government and outsource.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar January 09, 2017 6:45 PM  

@94
Is that evidenced? Got a link?

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar January 09, 2017 7:02 PM  

@44
It happens at my place all the time. It's called "failing upward".

They are eventually promoted into positions where they can cause the least harm. Middle management.

Blogger Michael Maier January 09, 2017 7:08 PM  

DOD JOB: Four out of four of my division's newest hires are all white. Two men, even. I about shit when I realized that today after meeting the fourth. They all seem at least vaguely intelligent.

Which, of course, means the next person they will hire (to be my partner as team lead when I'm massively overworked) will HAVE TO BE a drooling retard black.

Blogger Mr. Bee January 09, 2017 7:36 PM  

In the early to mid 90s, 650,000 aerospace and defense workers were laid off while the MSM danced and celebrated the blow to the military industrial complex. The misery and displacement that were caused to these highly educated people by Clinton, Bush and Ted Kennedy's "peace dividend" was barely covered by the MSM, except perhaps to note that with all those white males gone opportunities for minorities would be opening up.

Obviously, any layoff due to Trump will be the most horrible crime ever.

Anonymous BBKGB January 09, 2017 8:00 PM  

To people saying you can't log on to porn with dod computers, I knew a gay who played WOW most of the day but he might have had his own laptop. If I knew they were giving 6 figure salaries for doing nothing with no responsibility like the promoted minority secretary- programmer I would have jumped when I saw the ads looking for GLBT interested in govt programing.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 09, 2017 8:09 PM  

I for example have seen my salary only go up 3 percent since 2010 due to pay freeze and not getting full fed raises for bring on locality pay.

Last time I got a pay increase from an employer was 2004. The only way to get a raise in the real world these days is to take a new job. Hell, I know one guy that quit because he got no raise, applied for his open position, and negotiated a 10% increase from his former pay.

Anonymous Lawyer Guy January 09, 2017 9:21 PM  

Lawyer Guy wrote:My local VA has been sitting on new psychologist and social worker hires because the selected employees are "too white". Best thing Trump could do is fire all the human resources in the federal government and outsource.

No proof. A friend was in the canteen (VA version of hospital cafeteria) when the HR women were discussing/bragging on their efforts

Blogger SemiSpook37 January 09, 2017 9:50 PM  

Started in DoD as a civilian in '02. Very niche position right out of college with a career ladder (GS-7/9/11/12/13). Found out later that they made the position that because the organization was at risk of losing the billet. It wasn't a bad gig, but the division chief (an Army LTC) was under pressure to move me from the 12 to 13, even though my direct supervisor (an AF Major, and previously another Army LTC) and I both agreed that I wasn't quite ready to move up. For this, I was threatened with, but not given, a performance improvement plan (PIP). Unlike a lot of others in the GS, I took this to be a serious thing. So I left for another organization.

Two years in the Excepted Service (in the IC, no less), where I did end up getting my 13, but was expected to perform at grade as an all-source intel analyst instead of an engineer, and I just gave up. It was not worth the trouble or the headaches to be in that type of position. The benefits and perks just weren't worth the hassle.

Stayed within the M-I complex and went the R&D route. Started out well, but the company I worked for, which I've been hearing about even after I was let go a few years back, went downhill in a combination of convergence and staffing of more programmatic people instead of technical ones. I heard that many people within that organization, who were solid company folks, ended up leaving because of all of the political and programmatic crap.

More recently, I've been floating around the general contractor space. Most of this recent experience has been with small business (in the small, disadvantaged, veteran/disabled veteran owned, woman owned type category). In a lot of cases, depending on who you work for or the customer you support, the work can be rewarding or it can be completely useless. Just started a new position this month with a DoD team that desperately needs some guidance and leadership, and I know it can be done. Problem here is there are govies that we deal with that have no clue when it comes to the chain of command and proper communication. Of course, it's an organization I've worked for in the past from a number of different positions over my career, so none of it is surprising to me. It's on my team to perform, and that's what they're paying me to do.

I've been in too many situations over the past 4 years or so that have told me the folks in charge have no clue what they're doing. It's getting to be a little more than frustrating when you keep running into the same roadblocks in different areas in the government. Something HAS to give here, eventually. There are good folks in the ranks of the GS and the non-appointed SES. It would be to their benefit to flush most of the dead weight out.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy January 09, 2017 11:18 PM  

Post Alley Crackpot wrote:Trump may even choose to push for more inspectors just to ensure the timely movement of patents through the US patent system.

Having the US system work better and faster than the other Madrid Protocol and WIPO patent authorities would probably do much to help his "more jobs at home" approach.

Issuing a U.S. patent only forbids the use of a set of ideas by U.S. entities and within the U.S.; it is harmful to the U.S., not helpful.

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz January 10, 2017 2:19 AM  

@THE ARTICLE
"The human cost of the construction is unknown, but it has been estimated by some authors that hundreds of thousands,[22] if not up to a million, workers died building the Qin wall."
from
https://infogalactic.com/info/Great_Wall_of_China

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