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Thursday, February 23, 2017

A sympathetic call

Unsurprisingly, Stefan Molyneux has one of the more intelligent and sympathetic takes on the Milo takedown, and while I don't concur with all of his conclusions, I note that he draws attention to an important element that most people, myself included, may have missed. I think Stefan is probably right to see this as the most significant aspect of the whole situation, and that Milo has the opportunity to transform what has been a terrible time for him into his finest moment if he is willing and able to do what so many before him have not, and name the names of those who have been, and probably still are, preying on young men and boys today.

It's a very powerful observation: "You can still protect the children of the future from the predators of the past."


That being said, there is a reason that so many who have been witness to such ugliness, from Elijah Wood to Corey Feldman and Allison Arngrim, have not been specific, and are reluctant to identify the responsible parties. What that reason may be, I don't know, but I think it would be absolutely wrong for those of us who have not been victimized to demand that Milo do what those others could not. What we can and should do, however, is to continue to offer our unconditional support for him, and encourage him to listen to his conscience and to speak the truth without fear, whatever it might be.

I would be remiss if I did not mention that another survivor of child abuse, Moira Greyland, the daughter of confirmed child molesters Walter Breen and Marion Zimmer Bradley, was one of many Castalia authors who emailed me to offer her support for Milo.

I know you're busy. Can you let Milo know I am pulling for him and so are a crowd of other writers over here?

She also wrote a piece that can be read here. As adults, we are, in part, the consequences of the childhood experiences that shaped us. We all bear the psychological scars, and not infrequently from experiences we thought were positive at the time. Think of the narcissistic attention-seeker who has never recovered from being the pretty girl in 7th grade, or the glory-days jock who simply can't move past the game in which he scored four touchdowns, for example. But some of us were shaped in more difficult and dangerous molds than others.
When I grew up there were five little boys that I knew—all from different family circumstances, all of them, bright and smart and fun. One of them was my first official crush, and I must have been all of five years old, and so was he. There was a snow pile in the schoolyard, and we were king and queen of the mountain. The others I knew, too, and I even “dated” two of them, even though date is a chaste word. Once it was ice-skating and once it was a movie. We were always friends, but dating wasn’t in the cards, for what is now obvious reasons. But then it wasn’t obvious.

I learned later that when these little boys were little, they were visited upon by a friend, an older male, someone perhaps who was attracted to their brightness and wit.

They were funny boys. They knew what the convention was, and they tried to form attachments to girls. But they weren’t able to overcome what had happened. They felt that their lot in life was settled, that the map to their destiny was drawn by someone else, without their having a say in the matter.

Four of those little boys are now dead. Three died very young, one older but still young. One a suicide, and the others in situations that were brought on or complicated by The Disease. None of them married. None of them had children. They left their mothers behind, questioning, grieving, inconsolable, loving. Think of it: five families were prevented from being formed.
This is precisely why I reject the notion that homosexuality is to be celebrated any more than drug addiction or smoking is. Some of you may recall that my band, Psykosonik, was signed to Wax Trax! Records. What you may not know is that the men who signed us to their label, Jim and Dannie, were both gay. Jim died at 47, less than three years after signing us. Dannie died in 2010, at the age of 58.

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Blogger Richard Stone February 23, 2017 8:41 AM  

Probably the first Molyneux I had to turn off because it made me so sick to my stomach.

Blogger Dirtnapninja February 23, 2017 8:47 AM  

Yes, name the names.

Drain that swamp.

Blogger Antony February 23, 2017 8:49 AM  

A good vid from Stefan - yes, I hope Milo can give as much information as possible to the police, but a thought occurred to me that maybe this media hit piece was the rich,powerful and evil in Hollywood warning him to shut up about what he saw.. I hope he is in a secure and secret location.
Sargon also did a good vid on this ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP7vi9oLk54&feature=em-uploademail

Blogger Hail Jesus February 23, 2017 8:50 AM  

homosexuality is a way of demonstrating an openness to experience, stop being a narrow-minded white christian male!

from my personal experiences, all the homosexuals I have met either came from a bad backgrounds or live in a homosexual household...

These people really need help...

I went through a four month period when I was fifteen, I was on the verge of becoming a bisexual, likely due to my unnatural sexual encounters as an adolescent.

FYI:
Elijah Wood recently starred in the film Cooties...
To be brief, it demonizes nationalists and in a way, discourages white families from having children... it is the sort of amoral filth people class as funny, on virtue of it being dark humor.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd February 23, 2017 8:50 AM  

Perversion is destruction.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer February 23, 2017 8:51 AM  

I think he is fairly accurate in his breakdown. I had the same thought that Milo's world view in regards to these things is warped because of being a victim himself. It's obvious Milo has gone through different stages of dealing with what happened to him but I think his current way of dealing with it was pretending he had control over it.

If the cucks were serious about the issue they wouldn't let this conversation fade now that they have taken a scalp. They would continue pushing the odd coincidence that all of these limelight Gay people seem to have something in common. That thing is they all seem to have been sexually abused by an older man at a young age. That conversation, and it's implications, should be very publicly explored.

Of course, the Cucks didn't really care about the issue beyond destroying an enemy. They will quietly celebrate while their supposed SJW rivals loudly celebrate and the issue will be dropped before a closer examination of the roots of the issue is conducted.

Blogger VD February 23, 2017 8:51 AM  

maybe this media hit piece was the rich,powerful and evil in Hollywood warning him to shut up about what he saw

That makes no sense. Milo wasn't going to CPAC to talk about parties. We know who was behind it and it wasn't Hollywood. It was the Never Trumpers.

Blogger Brian S February 23, 2017 8:52 AM  

If Milo is to truly grow and recover from this, he will have to come to grips with the darkness that he had casually dismissed as fun. It will be the hardest thing he has ever done.

Blogger Some Dude February 23, 2017 8:54 AM  

Its amazing how much hatred they spew at anyt threat their racket. Same with pewdipie there recently at a lesser scale and of course trumpy. Im pretty sure they have a dedicated team of private investigators to do hitjobs on people. Hope our comedian friend pulls through. I remember when the 10 women accused trump of rape and he pulled through. Nobody fuckin remembers that now. Same with the spencer conference where the 2 jew plants sig heiling was supposed to be the end of the alt right. But were still standing puppetmasters. A few months from now milo will be laughing.

Anonymous Magus February 23, 2017 8:55 AM  

So, I've been very critical of Stefan for this. The way I see it, he's doing exactly what you've said he shouldn't do. He picks apart Milo's words, he conflates statements from two separate videos (the comments about when he was 13, on the JRE, with the comments on the Drunken Peasants comments about age of consent laws), and insists that, despite what Milo said to clarify what he meant by "boys", that Milo must have meant teenagers below the age of consent.

But, my arguments with the content of his video aside, if he wants to make those arguments he can make them and we can debate them, but can't they at least wait a month or two? How is this not the opposite of a show of loyalty?

Regarding the thing about naming names, sure, it would be nice, but as you also say, there's probably a good reason he's not.

Blogger Some Dude February 23, 2017 8:58 AM  

Tode goes in tide goes out. Milo is very charismatic so hell stick around. But as soon as people associate alan derschowitz with being a paedo or prince andrew its all over, because there is nothing redeeming about them. People have a bias to remember the good about someone over an equal amount of evil theyve done. In time, this will be debunked and the mass media wont be able to stop the debunking as happened with trumpy. Milo has to be loud and speak directly to the audience. Dont let the jews control the frame.

Blogger James Dixon February 23, 2017 8:59 AM  

> If Milo is to truly grow and recover from this, he will have to come to grips with the darkness that he had casually dismissed as fun. It will be the hardest thing he has ever done.

And something he's unlikely to be able to do on his own. He'll need help. He knows who to turn to for that help. We'll have to wait and see if he does or not.

Blogger James Dixon February 23, 2017 9:01 AM  

> You joined forces with a Greek homosexual who fashioned himself as being in the tradition of Oscar Wilde because you thought it would further your political ends.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Anonymous ZhukovG February 23, 2017 9:01 AM  

I think the reason many of these folks don't name their abuser is because they have no faith in the system. How many years did Roman Polanski spend in prison?

Even those who are punished, a slap on the wrist typically, usually resume their careers as if nothing happened. But what are the career prospects for the victim?

Blogger Some Dude February 23, 2017 9:01 AM  

Well the line between homo and paedo has always been arbitrary. I dont think homo is healthy either. Id prefer milo to drop the magic negrophilia in particular. But unlike derschowitz epstein and co milo wasnt using doj child trafficking team to kidnap lost children and send them to a dungeon to be part of satanic rituals. Thats predatory. Sad!

Anonymous basementhomebrewer February 23, 2017 9:02 AM  

Magus wrote:So, I've been very critical of Stefan for this. The way I see it, he's doing exactly what you've said he shouldn't do. He picks apart Milo's words, he conflates statements from two separate videos (the comments about when he was 13, on the JRE, with the comments on the Drunken Peasants comments about age of consent laws), and insists that, despite what Milo said to clarify what he meant by "boys", that Milo must have meant teenagers below the age of consent.

But, my arguments with the content of his video aside, if he wants to make those arguments he can make them and we can debate them, but can't they at least wait a month or two? How is this not the opposite of a show of loyalty?

Regarding the thing about naming names, sure, it would be nice, but as you also say, there's probably a good reason he's not.



Does Stefan have a relationship with Milo? Stefan's interests align with ours but I do not believe he considers himself a solid member of the alt-right, alt-light or alt-west. In that sense he does not see Milo as a fellow traveler but a very loose ally. He also criticized Milo in a way that is trying to help him not to destroy him. Notice that this video did not drop until after the fanfare was finished.

Blogger Wanderer February 23, 2017 9:02 AM  

If they're gonna torpedo Milo's career he may as well go out in a blaze of glory and name names about Hollywood and Washington pedos in his book.

Anonymous Avalanche February 23, 2017 9:06 AM  

@7 "They would continue pushing the odd coincidence that all of these limelight Gay people seem to have something in common."

Dr. Gabor Mate' (Canadian MD, works with drug addicts in BC -- BRILLIANT guy!) says one thing he has found is that nearly ALL the addicts he works with were abused as children -- mostly sexually, but also other abuse. Good lectures on YouTube; his books are worth reading!

Blogger Nate February 23, 2017 9:06 AM  

if you have time... I encourage you to go back and re-watch the beginning of Stefan's video after you've seen the whole thing. It is far more powerful after you know where he's going. And his point about the precipice makes a lot more sense.

Blogger Nate February 23, 2017 9:09 AM  

"Now that your friend is the ephebophlia apologist, the issue acquires all kinds of nuance."

is it your intention to repeat yourself throughout this thread?

Blogger Wanderer February 23, 2017 9:10 AM  

John Galt wrote:You joined forces with a Greek homosexual who fashioned himself as being in the tradition of Oscar Wilde because you thought it would further your political ends. Surprise surprise, mediterranean homosexuals have an inherent soft spot for classical Greek pederasty and can't resist expressing that opinion in public even when it it goes against their best interests, as do all homosexuals. You have no one to blame but yourself.

Watch Milo's press conference, faggot. Don't believe the slander that he was condoning pederasty. The video was edited together to make him look bad. The part about "consent being arbitrary" was in reference to college consent classes and rape hysteria and how it's had a chilling effect on male/female relations. Then they spliced that footage together with a different one where he was joking about his early experience of getting molested (which is dark, sure, but it was his way of trying to cope and in no way was condoning it). What was also edited out of the footage was him saying that the age of consent laws are fine the way they are. It wouldn't make sense for Milo to suddenly be pro-pedo since he has routinely criticizing the left for trying to normalize it. Maybe if these convos were in secret and he was caught Project Veritas-style, but this footage was publicly available for the last 1-2 years and only became a big deal when the footage was spliced and the liberal corporate media whipped up a frenzy.

Blogger Guitar Man February 23, 2017 9:13 AM  

I thought all Objectivists died in the 70s.

Anonymous #8601 February 23, 2017 9:13 AM  

Good to see Donald Trump Jr. supporting Milo on Twitter.

Blogger Silly But True February 23, 2017 9:13 AM  

It's nature v. nurture again.

When it comes to traumatic sexual abuse, childhood sexual abuse no less, I'm inclined to allow it's more along the nurture (well not so nurturing, but regardless) scale.

Whatever was done to 13- and 14-year old Milo was not 13- and q4- yearvold Milo's fault and I can allow that he was no longer the same person he was and was going to be. That person was robbed from him. And the one we have now is the best one he was able to give us; and that one ain't so bad given the circumstances.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer February 23, 2017 9:14 AM  

John Galt wrote:Who is "Father Michael?" I want a name, and I want it yesterday.

Didn't John Galt disappear from the world to do his own thing?

Blogger Johnny February 23, 2017 9:14 AM  

I really hate what the press is doing to Milo, but not because I support Milo. I regard him as a sexual exotic that is useful in a transitory way. Too bad Milo did not decided at some time in the past to not flesh out (pun?) his ideas about man-boy sex. Milo will have a website going forward but bet-ya going forward appearances will go way down.

An irony in all this and one more reason to hold the press in contempt is that if he were on the other side of the political divide they would be yelling intolerant at the rest of us for not being inclusive. They are currently bordering on pushing pedaphelia.

Anonymous WinstonWebb February 23, 2017 9:15 AM  

OFF WITH HIS HEAD AND LET GOD SORT IT OUT.

You are a worthless cuck.
Milo has consistently been a weapon firing at the left and has both the scars and trophies to prove it. So what do you do the first time you see the left massively attacking him? Why, join in and help them by shooting right at his flank of course!

You are worse than a leftist.

Blogger Gaiseric February 23, 2017 9:15 AM  

@(((John Galt))) or whatever name you're choosing for yourself now... you and every single one of you that bagged on Milo because he was gay, are the world's biggest bag of dicks. He's a victim of pederasty, not an advocate of it.

Blogger Austin Ballast February 23, 2017 9:15 AM  

This is precisely why I reject the notion that homosexuality is to be celebrated any more than drug addiction or smoking is.

I completely agree. I would also assert that so many of these things happen that it presents the idea that homosexuality is innate as a lie.

How many times did someone follow that path without such early abuse?

I pray Milo can find a path to overcome this, especially the personal part, for that is far more important in the grand scheme of things.

Blogger allyn71 February 23, 2017 9:20 AM  

I don't know what the percentage is but it seems that once you peel the layers back there is pederasty in the youth behind every homo. Fucking predators destroying innocent lives.

Anonymous Bob February 23, 2017 9:20 AM  

It says "sign up"....

And once again, I am told I am number 832,182 on the list. That number has not changed for weeks and weeks.

Is this all really just another internet scam?

Anonymous WinstonWebb February 23, 2017 9:21 AM  

John Galt February 23, 2017 9:18 AM
WinstonWebb. No, actually I saw this particular podcast when it happened and called Milo out at the time and disassociated myself from his brand of interloping european-style unprincipled nationalism and called on other people to do so.


Then I retract the "cuck" label with my apologies.

You aren't a cuck, you're simply an enemy.

Good to know.

Blogger Durandel Almiras February 23, 2017 9:21 AM  

This is an opportunity to highlight the connection between homosexual child abuse and the later development of the victims into declaring themselves homosexuals. The consistency of child abuse and homosexuality demands an answer that very few want to venture into.

Ask yourself, why is it in identical twin studies, homosexuality is now found to be 10-15% biological? And when the twins are not separated but raised in the same home, homosexuality rates jump up a bit? They need to start asking them if they were molested.

Anonymous Avalanche February 23, 2017 9:22 AM  

Another consideration: males (boys) are 'programmed' (biologically/genetically, it seems) to 'awaken to sex, sexuality, and the "choice" of a sexual-desire object around 10-13... (Thus, it has been suggested, the way way higher proportion of male fetishists than female. My late husband described (knowing) his "sexual awakening" as a young teen on seeing a photo of a Las Vegas showgirl -- and everything about him went: "THAT! THAT is what I want!"

This awakening not as forceful as the 'imprinting' of young geese on "mom" (*any* moving object at the right moment) -- but there seems to be a pretty strong imprinting that forms young male sexuality (thus: furries, balloons, latex, high heels, bug stomping, defecation ... pick your weird 'turn-on' that some (mostly male) folks get 'hooked' on.) (This 'imprinting' is what forces? leads? drives? men to pursue sex so very strongly -- so, yeah, no doubt testosterone is involved.)

If (when!) these young men are gay-sex-abused during the 'open window' -- I'd propose they may be 'fixed' in that direction: that 'fetish' becomes their life-long 'set point' for sexuality.

Blogger bearspaw February 23, 2017 9:32 AM  

At one point in Milo's press conference he mentioned he did expose three pedos.

Blogger VD February 23, 2017 9:32 AM  

How is this not the opposite of a show of loyalty?

Stefan is loyal to no man. He is a true philosopher and is loyal only to his perception of the truth. He does not do shows of loyalty. I respect and admire that.

I am not as pure a philosopher. I stand by my friends, especially when they are wrong.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J February 23, 2017 9:33 AM  

I've lived through this. Still living with it, actually, but coping. Didn't realize how bad it was for so long, all the wasted potential of my life.

You become emotionally stunted, almost permanently immature in many ways because you can't face what happened, can't deal with it, and NO ONE BELIEVES YOU ANYWAY so you can't turn to parents, relatives, or friends for help. You become almost two different people. Not really a split personality, but one who is almost expert at being a chameleon in certain circumstances, until that gets too emotionally and psychologically and often physically exhausting. Then Person # 2 takes over...that's the real you, and shuts you down and cuts you off. Relationships are difficult if not impossible. You don't get close.

God helps, Jesus saves, and it may be that the best way to heal is to have a messy, ugly, public catharsis and start fresh, but no one believes you anyway, and then you just rehashed all the crap you try to hide but have to live with anyway. Vicious circles. Hmm.

You look back on a not-very-long life and wonder why you can't be better. It's hard to take responsibility for what happened to you as a child, but it seems that's the only way. Everything bad you did, even though you didn't know why your impulses were screwed up, you have to own up to. People don't forgive you and they don't care. And they will use your pain against you at every opportunity.

Most of them. I'm lucky enough to have found someone who can tolerate me, and despite not being able to function in certain environments, allows me to do what work I can and keeps me away from situations that leave me in an exhausted weeping pile of skin in corners and closets.

Blogger Corvo February 23, 2017 9:34 AM  

@24 John Galt

"Who is "Father Michael?" I want a name, and I want it yesterday."

Not until you provide a link to your campaign to force rape victims to report their rapes and name their rapists (as such a high proportion are known to them).

Anonymous Magus February 23, 2017 9:34 AM  

@17 - That's a good point, and I can respect that. Stefan sees himself fighting a certain war, and he doesn't see Milo as an ally in that, even if he approves of many of Milo's volleys at a common enemy.

I'd still argue it's an error on Stefan's part not to recognise the ally that Milo is. If he doesn't recognise the wider stakes here then, fine, it's a lesser error for him to speak against Milo on this. And you're right that he waited until after the press conference, which ameliorates it further, but the wound is still raw and the hubub still very loud - I think it would've been better to wait a bit longer. And you're right that he's not trying to destroy him, but in the end it's feeding criticism towards Milo, rather than primarily at the real enemy.

Like, I have no doubt that Stefan has the best intentions. But the way I see it, part of the whole setup here is to draw people away from supporting Milo, and to weaken their resolve around him. Video's like Stefan's just feed into that. I hope I'm wrong though, and that it only has the beneficial result that Stefan intends.

Anonymous Looking Glass February 23, 2017 9:37 AM  

@39 Homosexual Men have compromised Endocrine & Immune systems. This is what makes them targets for the pederasts. We're not sure if they seek out their own or they view them as easy targets, but they can find each other very easily.

This is the reason that a Woman that is ovulating can spot out a gay Man instantly. She's reacting to the pheromone difference, but it's the thinning of the cheek bones she's also noticing. That's part of the reason the Testosterone is abused by gay Men, as their body isn't naturally using & processing it.

Endogenous Testosterone is one of the greatest markers for Health in a Man.

Blogger Sagramore February 23, 2017 9:42 AM  

While I would really like to add my two cents, I'm in the middle of solving the problem permanently for my cousins. Wait for the book.

Blogger Elizabeth February 23, 2017 9:50 AM  

I have a male friend in his 30s who is gay. His parents divorced when he was a toddler and his father was indifferent to him afterwards. His mother remarried and his stepfather was indifferent, too. A mutual friend speculated that this young man craved the love of and attention from a man and this led to homosexuality. There is called called "same sex attachment disorder." Also, it's not usual for an adolescent to have a crush of some kind on a fellow adolescent. Up until very recently, they almost always grew out of it. Now, they're encouraged to see themselves as gay or lesbian.

Anonymous WinstonWebb February 23, 2017 9:50 AM  

Nobody cares if you are "loyal to your friends."

lol

Please, by all means, keep talking.

Blogger GmH February 23, 2017 9:52 AM  

I have a great deal of compassion for victims of child sexual abuse, or for that matter, any type and form of child abuse. It takes a heartless person to injure a defenseless and innocent child. The predators are evil, sick and must be kept away from children. Though at times that is almost impossible because the predators are within the family confines.

I agree with Stefan, Milo can still turn this situation to be a plus or at least the beginning of a plus for many children who are currently being victimized, and for those who have been. I pray he would do the right thing and help those who need help. As for himself, I think Milo is still suffering. I don't think he has moved on from the abuse in his past and is currently crying for help.

Anonymous ZhukovG February 23, 2017 9:53 AM  

@John Galt: For the father of a victim you are reacting strangely. Did you also give your son the 3rd degree as you seem to advocate for Milo? Frankly I’ve known District Attorney’s with more empathy for a victim than you, and those assholes seemed to only care about their conviction percentage.

Perhaps I’m over analyzing, but once a cop always a cop.

Blogger Durandel Almiras February 23, 2017 9:56 AM  

I'm not sure what the issue is here. I stand by Milo. I completely agree with Stefan's critique. Milo is a sinner, so no wrong in calling out his sin and telling him to repent. He could do so much if he would name names and stop trying to normalize and anesthetize his abuse. He should courageously face it and take down some pedophiles if he can. I also hope this episode helps him to finally renounce his homosexual inclination like Oscar Wilde eventually did.

And as a Catholic, I really want the priest named and kicked out. Granted, if the priest is a support of Pope Francine, good luck getting rid of him.

Anonymous Magus February 23, 2017 9:56 AM  

@42 - VD: "Dearer still is the truth" and all that, I get it. Stefan wants to speak out about how things are and ought to be, to get to the heart of things.

I appreciate your perspective and Stefan's perspective, but I just don't share Stefan's attitude on this, I'm afraid, so I can't quite respect it. Maybe it's that I don't think Milo ultimately said anything wrong, or all that bad, even if I agree with his "regretting the way it was worded", or the glibness of how he spoke on the JRE.

If the fact is that Stefan thinks ultimately there was something wrong with what Milo said, that there are grave errors he needs to correct, then I suppose I can sympathise with this attitude, of speaking the truth as one sees it, especially when it's part of his overall character, that produces the content of his that I do cherish.

So I think it may be my own severe disagreement with Stefan about the truth of the situation which is what makes me more confident in siding with the Anonymous Conservative's attitude, rather than Stefan's "Well, let's pick apart the truth of Milo, and what errors he has/hasn't committed":

"The opposite of that stimulus would be if we looked at Milo, looked at the liberal, and totally ignored what the left was telling us about Milo, as we turned on the liberals with even greater ferocity. To the left, that would be the material mental meltdowns are made of."

Blogger dc.sunsets February 23, 2017 9:58 AM  

Vice: An act undertaken with the expectation of happiness, that instead yields unhappiness. Often, vices are directed by the impulsive mind, whose addiction to immediate gratification and the dopamine rush of indulgence crowds out the rational mind whose grasp of consequences leaves it screaming in impotent frustration.

Homosexuality is a vice, no less than is drug, alcohol, gambling, porn, casual sex or even social media addiction, along with chronic indulgence in toxic personal relationships. All are acts that yield short term highs and long term destruction.

A culture that celebrates casual sex and abortion-on-demand is fertile ground for sexual hedonism that doesn't even mimic biologically-dictated behavior.

That said, my wife and I watched our sons like hawks while they were in their formative years. No one was given the slightest opportunity to manipulate them, and anyone who attempted a forceful assault would have died within minutes. Not hours. Not days. There's nothing about my demeanor that could be misinterpreted.

Sociopaths hide in plain sight. Victims grow up to be victimizers (although not always, just as most but not all kids whose parents smoked grow up to smoke cigarettes.) Saddest is when parents don't realize their own kid (bio or adopted) is a sociopath and poisoning their family right under their noses.

My word of the day is Devotion. Like Honor, it is now AWOL from our lexicon. Husbands and wives should be devoted to each other. Nuclear families should enjoy that devotion. People should be be devoted to their communities and their people (tribe.) [Devotion to God is a separate discussion.]

In an environment of honor (at the individual level) and devotion (within the social pyramid), children are protected as best is possible and vice is suppressed as best is possible.

Our current world is all but devoid of honor and devotion. As I see it, the task falls to each of us to hew to these traditional ideals, walk the talk, be an example and await what will eventually be the cyclical renewal of a society based on such ideals.

Blogger Lazarus February 23, 2017 10:03 AM  

Cernovich warned Milo he was on a hit list when they were both in Alaska. Milo waved the warning off with characteristic flair.

Yes, there is a hit list. And it has been around for awhile.

Blogger Matthew February 23, 2017 10:06 AM  

John Galt wrote

Spooner, you know you're banned here.

Anonymous Avalanche February 23, 2017 10:07 AM  

@53 "He could do so much if he would name names and stop trying to normalize and anesthetize his abuse. He should courageously face it and take down some pedophiles if he can."

Ah yes, let's urge someone with (apparently) a still bleeding wound to drop the "anesthesia" and act "courageously"! Don't see YOU doing it,though, do I?

"There has never yet been a philosopher who could endure a toothache patiently..." Yet you would urge it on Milo, out where he is on the front lines for us?

And, oh yeah -- he HAS outed three pedos... How many have you outed, before urging him to fight through the pain?

Anonymous FAILBOAT February 23, 2017 10:09 AM  

Milo had plenty of opportunities to denounce pizzagate. The statements he is getting criticism for are far worse than anything pulled out of the podesta emails.

I don't think it's just, but I'm OK with the axe swinging backwards. Hope he can leverage his fan base to continue to make a living!

Anonymous Iacobus February 23, 2017 10:10 AM  

Oh, wow, Wax Trax! Records. Shades of KMFDM (when they were good) and other acts just shot through my mind.

Anyone remember Peter Steele from Type O Negative? Dude was all kinds of effed up (depression, addiction and generally going crazy) before finding God. He died from an aneurysm back in 2010(?).

We all have our demons.

Anonymous kfg February 23, 2017 10:10 AM  

"Stefan sees himself fighting a certain war . . ."

And that war, from the beginning, was against child abuse. It is the foundation of his philosophy and the hill he is prepared to die on.

Blogger Cail Corishev February 23, 2017 10:11 AM  

A couple boys I went to high school with were molested by priests at the time. Neither one ever said anything, until years later when the priest had been exposed as a molester. No teenage boy wants to tell people he was doing something like that, regardless of who was legally responsible. Neither did their parents. Boys and parents alike just wanted it to go away. One of them decided he was homosexual, and ended up attempting suicide more than once. I haven't stayed in touch, so he may have eventually succeeded.

If you watched Milo "joke" about how he's thankful to a priest for teaching him to give good head, and you didn't see the pain and rationalizations, you need to get your empathy organ checked, because it's broken.

That doesn't mean I don't want him to name names. I hope he does, and I think he needs to, for his own sake as much as that of other potential victims. But I understand why that's hard.

Anonymous ZhukovG February 23, 2017 10:11 AM  

@dc.sunsets: In my, admittedly limited experience, what a victim typically grows up to be is a victim.

Every predator I encountered always tried to claim they were a victim. No doubt some were, but many were just trying to mitigate their crimes.

Most victims do not become predators.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky February 23, 2017 10:13 AM  

The pressure to keep mum is insane, especially if the predators have any modicum of power. Most do, that's in fact a requirement to these scenes. Standard morality, our common ethos, completely breaks down. There's another universe behind the curtain. It's all invalid and pernicious, but it is there.

I was delving into the matter regarding a major country music star, who is no longer with us thankfully. His name rhymes with "Fuck you, Buck Owens." This was a guy with the most wholesome public image, behind the scenes it was another story entirely. Mothers would drop off their underage tween daughters at the hotels, knowingly, so that they might have sex with this guy (or one of the band, or a roadie, or a record company guy ... you wouldn't believe). Mothers. Dropping off their daughters. Knowingly. So this sort of scene involves complicity all up and down the chain, from multiple actors.

Imagine the courage necessary to blow the lid on something like this. The very power that attracts people too it, that aphrodisiac, is literally the flame to a moth. These people all around it can, and will, destroy your life, ruin your career, you name it. Sometimes they do it capriciously anyway, to make examples, just demonstrate to everybody that they can.

Anonymous John Galt February 23, 2017 10:14 AM  

No Matthew, I am not banned here, I am banned at this address. 105 Augusta Ct. Hendersonville Tn, 37075. Come here and I will show you my gun collection. Welcome to the internet. Have a nice day.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd February 23, 2017 10:14 AM  

The Holy Father is more worried about climate change than he is the holiness of the priesthood.

Anonymous Just another commenter February 23, 2017 10:15 AM  

@39 - but if you do that, they'll ask why you hate gays so much you want to stop their creation. And yes, that was only said half tongue-in-cheek.

It's a complicated (in some way) and horrible affair. But I really hope that soon names start being named, and the suicide rate in Hollywood and DC and (((certain industries))) surges, and perp-walks start becoming so numerous that the news CAN'T avoid them, and the mask skips so far off on Facebook and twitter and Legacy media that their stocks all tank.

Anonymous Magus February 23, 2017 10:16 AM  

@61 - Ok, yeah, that's a really good point, one I hadn't considered. I can definitely empathise more with Stefan's motive when taking that into the balance here. I can see why he would feel so strongly that he needs to make this statement.

Blogger Koanic February 23, 2017 10:16 AM  

Stefan is a deepsocket. Given his humane facial dimensions, I'm sure he feels loyalty compulsion quite strongly. But for a deepsocket, public speech is the place for perfect justice and impartiality. The loyalty compulsion must be satisfied in ways that step around this psychological barrier.

He also appears to be in a libertarian's moral panic over age of consent, as it is the last fig leaf which protects children from the degenerate open society of their own design.

Anonymous WinstonWebb February 23, 2017 10:21 AM  

I like how he uses a Randian handle while showing "concern".

I AM ONE OF YOU!!!

Anonymous fop February 23, 2017 10:24 AM  

Tell us about Father Michael, Milo. Be specific and detailed. Dozens of young victims are counting on you. Will you help them, or will you stick to that line about child molestation being less traumatizing than bankruptcy?

Blogger Cail Corishev February 23, 2017 10:26 AM  

Whatever was done to 13- and 14-year old Milo was not 13- and 14- year old Milo's fault

Unfortunately, while we all know that, Milo doesn't know it, not really. It's common for abuse victims to gain a (false) sense of control over their lives by saying, essentially, "That was really my idea," as Milo did with Rogan. If something horrible happened to you, it's a little less horrible if you chose it than if you were helpless.

Blogger Salt February 23, 2017 10:28 AM  

Durandel Almiras wrote:He could do so much if he would name names... He should courageously face it and take down some pedophiles if he can.

I'm sure doing so would suit your conscience, the litigious and other ramifications not falling upon your head.

Blogger Durandel Almiras February 23, 2017 10:35 AM  

@58 - Wanting him to stop joking about his abuse doesn't mean I lack sympathy for him, you twit.

Why is it that for so many people, any amount of critique automatically means zero empathy must exist there? You can do both people, it is possible.

Blogger Lazarus February 23, 2017 10:37 AM  

fop wrote:Tell us about Father Michael, Milo. Be specific and detailed.

Milo helped bust three pedophiles. As he said on his facebook video, it is a long and complex process. Each step has to be vetted.

He said / he said doesn't cut it in court. A simple accusation is not all it take so far even though feminists want that, but only for women.

Blogger S1AL February 23, 2017 10:37 AM  

John Galt -

Virtue signal harder. You'll definitely get respect that way.

Anonymous a_peraspera February 23, 2017 10:38 AM  

Couple of random thoughts: Remember how no one from the Left turned on Bill Clinton when he was outed as a serial rapist and sexual harasser? That's why the Left always wins.

#2: Archive this as a lesson for why no alt-righter or even vanilla conservative should EVER go on Bill Maher's show.

Blogger Durandel Almiras February 23, 2017 10:39 AM  

@74 I don't like pedophiles and I don't like pedophile priests even more. If Milo can name names and help with an investigation, he should do it, because it is the right thing to do. Yes, it is a risk, but it always is a risk to do what is right in a corrupt world.

So much concern trolling today. Promote the heroic choice, now the cowardly one.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora February 23, 2017 10:41 AM  

Ben Shapiro is about as dishonest and slanderous as you are, that might have something to do with it.

Blogger haus frau February 23, 2017 10:41 AM  

John Galt
I'm pretty sure most of us would draw the line at who can babysit our children well before we get to open homosexuals. No, I would not let milo spend alone time with my kids but I still support him. I pray for his salvation from the lifestyle he is currently steeped in and peace from his abuse.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 23, 2017 10:41 AM  

What no one ever seems to notice is that there's a direct link between approval (tacit or open) of teens having sex, young (unmarried) adults having sex and the sexual gratification of adults using people who lack full adult agency. It's one continuum, folks. I don't care that 1/3rd of girls probably initiate sex by 15. If everyone else jumps off a cliff, should we join them?

There are a number of open, plain, obvious and irrefutable reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with religious teaching why people should eschew physical intimacy prior to forming what is reasonably expected to be a permanent pair-bond.

Just because our modern times seem to dictate that pair-bonding not occur until a decade or more after sexual maturation does not change the hardwired effects of breaking the link between physical and emotional intimacy. And don't give me that crap/rationalization from sociobiology about how males are driven to spread their seeds while females are driven to nurture their eggs. I have an MS in biology so I'm not stupid; human social behavior is full of conflicting drives, and the balancing of them is utterly essential to living life on Happiness Path.

All of us are protected from poor choices (or allowing ourselves to be manipulated by others) by having wide buffer zones between what is accepted and what is not. This eliminates entreaties that might be interpreted as ambiguous in a "benefit of the doubt" environment.

There are two kinds of abuse: Rape (characterized by irresistible physical force) and "social engineering," AKA a manipulative sociopath hacking the mind of another person. The latter always starts small with the goal of getting, in small steps, to a point where the target is too deeply hooked to reverse course. Then the abuser reels them in like a hooked mackerel.

As an aide, this behavior has many parallels to how men sometimes try to socially-engineer their way into a girl's pants. As I see it, no discussion of sex, sex practices, genitals, etc., is EVER innocent. I've seen guys land a roll in the hay by claiming they were gay, and I've heard stories of guys self-describing as impotent or somehow shortchanged in the genital-size lottery in a clear attempt to get the girl to "save" or "fix" them in the sack.

It's long past time to place the same index of suspicion on anything sex-related in social commerce as we do when we get emails with strange attachments or unsolicited requests for password resets & redirects to weird URL's.

Instead, now it's perfectly normal for sitcoms to discuss masturbation in mixed company and the commercial interruptions wax eloquent on Viagra and using a pill to get an erection. No wonder our kids are vulnerable.

Blogger Rabbi B February 23, 2017 10:41 AM  

@75 John Galt

The bottom line is Vox hitched his wagon to a European homsexual and now he is making excuses.

Don't be obtuse. He's not 'making excuses'. Time for you to grab your helmet and get back on the short bus.

Blogger en_forcer February 23, 2017 10:42 AM  

A lot of sadness and pain in this post, Vox. I'll pray for strength and peace for you and Milo and the folks you mentioned.

Anonymous Millenium February 23, 2017 10:42 AM  

For the father of a victim you are reacting strangely

It reads to me like John Galt was the one molested as a child, not his son. If true it explains his reaction to Milo and since I have no understanding of what either has been through I will not presume to judge either.

Anonymous fop February 23, 2017 10:44 AM  

@77

Who said anything about court? We just need a name, a parish, and approximate age. That's all. It would take 5 seconds.

Blogger slarrow February 23, 2017 10:46 AM  

Oh, no wonder John Galt is crazy angry stupid. It's just Spooner. That explains a lot.

As for Milo, he is broken, just as we are all broken. What's always been distinct about Milo is that he's acknowledged that his homosexuality is part of his brokenness. Now we know more of the details of how it came to be. It's a hard thing to work all that out in public while under attack. I hope that Milo can emerge from this stronger than ever with a bigger platform that he built himself from which he cannot be silenced (hat tip VD), but I pray that he can also learn how to heal from this breach of trust and hold on to something stronger than the sexual love of men. I'm rooting for the guy.

Then, after he's healed and strengthened, take the pedo bastards down.

Blogger Durandel Almiras February 23, 2017 10:48 AM  

@89 Then, after he's healed and strengthened, take the pedo bastards down.

Amen, well said.

Anonymous badhairday February 23, 2017 10:48 AM  

Having watched as many of the relevant videos on this as I could I was unable to shake the feeling that Milo is conflicted about something. My heart goes out to him. However, until he can fully come to terms with what happened to him in the past and over the last few days he'll always be an easy target for further attacks. Stephan made some very good points but they are built on assumptions about Milo's sence of humour. If Milo wants to name names at a later date that would be great but he'll get turned inside out if he does. It's not really something we can ask him to do untill he's got his head straight on his past.

Blogger Durandel Almiras February 23, 2017 10:52 AM  

Can a moderator deal with John Galt? Or at the very least, change his name to Wesley Mouch?

Blogger Lazarus February 23, 2017 10:58 AM  

John Galt wrote:Let me get this straight: There is a hit list,

Don't fret about it Johnny, you are not useful or important enough to be on it.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore February 23, 2017 10:59 AM  

@93 I might be out of line but you are coming off as unhinged. I get the idea that you have some huge issues with Milo but now you are going EXTRA with that "ish", well beyond making your gripes known. In some ways, you are attempting to put folks on blast for reasons I do not understand.

In my opinion, you should have dropped something along these lines: "Yo' fam, I cannot ride this bus anymore so I'm gettin' off. This is not my thing for the following reasons......"

And you probably should have stopped there. Unfortunately you didn't and you went from articulating a respectable dissent to sounding "KRAY-KRAY." That's just me.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J February 23, 2017 10:59 AM  

Bad hair day,

I cannot know all of Milo's heart and mind here, but you're quite right that victims cannot come to terms. I can only say why for myself and even then any words cannot adequately explain it. Was I responsible some how? Why didn't anyone protect me? Where were my parents? Why did they trust my abuser to be alone with me? If it hadn't happened, would I be normal? Would my adolescence been kinder to me, would I stop fearing things and go finish what I start instead of beating a hasty retreat the moment fear kicks in?

Lingering fears and a tremendous lack of trust in anyone or anything can cripple a person. I would say Milos flamboyant and fabulous persona is a cover for the pain and the mistrust and fear. Not that he isn't brilliant and an expert at the game, but something's got to give, as they say.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 23, 2017 10:59 AM  

@73 How many people can confront that they were victims of manipulation? Even if said manipulation occurred long before that person was old enough to separate vice from not-vice?

This is a serious defect in the Human OS. Our minds recoil from confronting the consequences of our past, even when said consequences are obvious, and even when we were too young and dependent to say "NO!" had we wanted to.

I used to look at teen aged boys who got laid by decent-looking adult women as "lucky bastards." I now see such "relationships" as significantly more toxic, abusive and manipulative than if it's a teen aged girl and an adult man. In the latter it actually might be the girl who is the manipulator; in the former it NEVER is, and a decent-looking adult woman chooses a teen over widely-available adult men for one and only one reason.

Modernity has amplified this evil astronomically by normalizing homosexuality and sexualizing our culture to the point of parody. Instead of victims of sexual abuse as kids KNOWING that they were victimized, the perverted rewards of sexual pleasure get mixed with social approval of hedonism and the result is that the victim of manipulation decides to celebrate being victimized.

What a feedback loop of vicious evil!

Until the Left Cult's sacrament of Hedonism and cognitive dissonance of treating pre-adults as both adults and not-adults is resolved, it will fall entirely on parents to protect their kids while nurturing them in an environment that recognizes both the adventure of life and the Serengeti-Plain level of dangers surrounding us all.

As long as the Left Cult holds sway in any institution, all persons with power must be viewed as potential threats because from Priests to coaches to Scout Leaders, such positions now attract sadistic predators like blood in the water attracts Great White Sharks. Our society is still in the process of promoting such parasitic predation.

The swamp is NOWHERE NEAR being drained, a process that won't be complete until people who abuse children are routinely given cranial lead injections.

Anonymous teapartydoc February 23, 2017 10:59 AM  

If you've ever wondered why no one ever quotes Kinsey on this issue, it is because Kinsey came down on the nurture side of the nature/nurture argument when it came to sexuality. He understood that young people were groomed and imprinted in ways that helped to determine future sexual proclivities.
Milo is one such victim and is in denial of this for the very reasons stated by Molyneux.
I think that if he is going to be an effective voice going forward he is going to have to confront some major demons both privately and publicly.

Anonymous Athor Pel February 23, 2017 11:03 AM  

" 48. Blogger John Galt February 23, 2017 9:46 AM
You are a grown ass man. Nobody cares if you are "loyal to your friends."
...
105 Augusta Ct. Hendersonville Tn, 37075
..."



And now your friends and family know what to expect from you.

Anonymous Vin February 23, 2017 11:05 AM  

Perhaps a useful thing to consider is that while Milo feels this issue as a victim, in a way only he and other victims can, he also has the very powerful, analytical mind of a childless, non religious gay man that can be dealing with this situation in a much more dispassionate way than a parent would.

While straight and nowhere near as bright, as a childless agnostic I can see how that might be at play here.

My first reaction to this as it broke was anger at the attack & pile on and to parse the logic of what was happening. Zero emotional response or thoughts of children being harmed. I can completely understand how a parent or more emotionally driven non parent wouldn't have had that initial cold, detached response and that Milo's handling of this so far would seem inadequate.

Stefan's video made me realize how deeply most of you and others feel it all in a way that I'm not capable of. Perhaps it did the same for Milo and he'll see the usefulness of addressing again it in a different way soon.

I wish him well.




Blogger dc.sunsets February 23, 2017 11:12 AM  

PS: Kids who are abused rightly blame their parents. The buck stops somewhere, and that somewhere is there. You can't protect your kids from every danger, but leaving them alone with an adult who is Not You is like canoeing without life-jackets. If that hurts someone's feelings, tough. Or in handsignal binary, the number four: 00100.

In related news, don't drop your 13 year old daughter off with her friend to go hiking in a remote spot unless she's carrying and an expert with a knife, has pepper spray and you're following her around with an AR15 slung over your shoulder.
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/delphi-indiana-teen-girls-murders-weigh-heavy-on-those-working-to-solve-the-crime

Anonymous basementhomebrewer February 23, 2017 11:12 AM  

John Galt wrote:No Matthew, I am not banned here, I am banned at this address. 105 Augusta Ct. Hendersonville Tn, 37075. Come here and I will show you my gun collection. Welcome to the internet. Have a nice day.

I was under the impression that Federal law prohibits persons with severe mental illness to posses fire arms. You looking forward to federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison Andrew?

Blogger Lazarus February 23, 2017 11:13 AM  

John Galt wrote:Lazarus: Is that a fact. Vox Day Doxxed me last year

Well boo hoo.

Blogger wired216 February 23, 2017 11:13 AM  

All this limelight and attention. If Milo has names from the Hollywood days... those were also Clinton days and how many bodies are behind them now? They have been quiet but they are not gone rest assured. How many people can Milo help if he is DIA... first he needs someone to trust. How many you got?

Blogger wired216 February 23, 2017 11:15 AM  

DOA I meant

Blogger Shimshon February 23, 2017 11:17 AM  

My wife has a not-distant relative who had an incestuous relationship for about two years (!) with his then-teenage (or possibly prepubescent) daughter (30+ years ago). Really messed her up. Only heard about it recently for the first time. His excuse when confronted by his sister, was something like "She came on to me." He died recently of ALS. Quite apt.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky February 23, 2017 11:17 AM  

Spooner, you take the cake. On top of everything before, here you are disrupting and derailing a serious anti-pedo discussion while at the same time thinking you're some kind of champion of the victims.

You're not. You're a joke.

And, btw, Vox never claimed to be a programmer at all. He claimed to be game designer. Those are not the same things.

You know, whenever I think of you some vomit rises up into my throat. And I'm thankful for it. I'm thankful that something came along more palatable than you.

Anonymous fop February 23, 2017 11:21 AM  

@97 "I might be out of line but you are coming off as unhinged."

Funniest comment of the day.

Anonymous ZhukovG February 23, 2017 11:23 AM  

If I had kids, it is true that I would not let Milo babysit them. However that would be my policy with all person’s that I haven’t vetted sufficiently. But in John Gault’s case, I wouldn’t want him within the same neighborhood as my kids because he is clearly a nut case.

I would also point out that predators, before being caught, often affect a strong hatred for other predators that normal folks would find, ‘off-putting’ or ‘over the top’. It’s part of their attempts at camouflage.

Blogger Nick S February 23, 2017 11:24 AM  

If leftists hate the message they will always try to kill the messenger. Loyalism to the fundamental Ideology is the only identity that really matters to them. Sub-groups don't get an automatic pass.

I'm not a big fan of the messenger, but I'm a fan of the message and Milo is particularly effective at spreading it to young people who relate to him. We need that to continue.

I still think this will just be a bump in the road for Milo. He's demonstrated that he's smart enough to take the lesson, adapt and move on. His enemies will be wailing and gnashing their teeth soon enough. Water off a duck's back, Milo. Carry on.

Blogger John Wright February 23, 2017 11:28 AM  

If I may, I think Mr.Molyneux is a smart man, but this is one time where his smarts betray him. He scrutinizes Milo's comments with a word by word analysis as if each word had been selected and weighed, and he comes to the conclusion that a man who says he opposes pedophiles is supports them.

If you listen carefully, Mr. Molyneux's whole argument turns on one point: that when Milo says 'boy' he means a pre adolescent of 13 or so and not a 17 year old. But Milo says precisely the opposite, that he was using this word to mean a youth. Molyneux says this is merely his opinion, and he gives no argument to back it up. Milo apologized for being unclear, which he was, and his clarification should be taken at face value.

Without that, the rest of the argument falls apart. Molyneux interprets as a positive affirmation of pederasty certain bitter and sarcastic jokes about oral sex techniques Milo was 'lucky' enough to learn from the priest who molested him. To me, this looks like a psychological defense mechanism, not support for the practice, and in his apology, Milo says so, indeed, that is the meaning of the sentence Molyneux dismisses by saying ' I don't know what that even means.'

I submit he does not know what it means because he is parsing the words like a lawyer, not listening to what the man actually said, not hearing the pain in his voice.

If you wish to condemn someone because he did not go to the police when he witnessed a crime, condemn him for cowardice, but not for supporting the crime nor speaking positively of it.

Finally, Molyneux's argument fails because he misses the elephant in the room. Molyneux does not say one word about the fact that Milo is gay, which, up until recently, up until 1970 os so, was identified by professional psychiatrists as a psychological condition, a neurosis.

If, as I do, you regard homosex as a sign of psychological damage, you would not expect any homosexual to speak with clinical accuracy and detachment about matter touching the psychological wound which still bleeds in him.

Molyneux is calling Milo to task for not being brutally honest with himself, and I am not sure a psychologically damaged man can be.

It is like slapping an amputee and telling him to shake it off.

When you approve of homosexuality, you are not doing the homosexual any favors. It is a category error, for it identifies a neurosis as a free choice. This in turn requires one to judge a condemn a man's words and action as if they were free when in fact you are seeing a neurosis the man cannot control play itself out.

Molyneux comes very close to this conclusion when he noticed how self destructive Milo's behavior is, but he does not draw the correct conclusion, because he does not look with eyes of charity, and so he sees a choice, but does not see a sin.

Until he converts, Mr Molyneux is not going to be seeing reality in a realistic light.

Blogger Nate February 23, 2017 11:29 AM  

"Ironic that John Galt, self proclaimed transvestite with a fetish for femdom and pegging, is attacking milo for debauchery. "

ITS NOT GAY IF A GIRL DOES IT

Blogger VD February 23, 2017 11:29 AM  

The bottom line is Vox hitched his wagon to a European homsexual and now he is making excuses. Shouldn't have done it in the first place.

You're lying, Andrew Spooner. I'm not making any excuses at all. I stand by Milo.

Now go away. I don't permit liars to comment here.

Anonymous daddynichol February 23, 2017 11:30 AM  

basementhomebrewer wrote:It's obvious Milo has gone through different stages of dealing with what happened to him but I think his current way of dealing with it was pretending he had control over it.

Rationalization can be a bitch. My brother was convinced he contracted AIDS because it was all part of a plot between the Reagan administration and the Catholic Church to kill off gays. Even though he was well aware that some kind of disease (AIDS wasn't named yet) was killing scores in SF, Vegas and LA did not alter on his and thousands of other gay men's behavior; Multiple partners, wild debased parties and heavy drug use continued unabated. Died at age 40. He dealt with it by denial and rationalization right up to the end.

Blogger Nate February 23, 2017 11:31 AM  

@117

It puts the lotion on its body. it doesn't this whenever it is told or else it gets the hose again.

Blogger Shimshon February 23, 2017 11:33 AM  

Stefan raises quite the moral conundrum.

At my age, I look back to those key choices I made from youth until this very day, the choices that made me who I am today (and which I am largely happy with, at 50). If there is one thing (((I))) could say to (((Milo))), it would be this. Those choices reverberate powerfully for decades. Make the right choice, Milo. I'll buy your book either way.

Blogger VD February 23, 2017 11:34 AM  

Vox Day Doxxed me last year. He did it poorly because he is bad at using computers. I literally had to hand him my address before he could send the police to my house. Twice. Vox Day sent a man with a gun to my house twice. He did it that. Bother him about it. Not me.

You're lying again. You did not give me your address, you were upset because your fiance dumped you, you were off your meds, and as a result were attempting to vandalize this blog with over 12,000 comments in one hour. The police were so disturbed by the content of your comments that they sent a policeman to your door immediately.

Now, I suggest you go take your meds and stop commenting here before Mr. Policeman shows up again at your door. You are harassing and cyberstalking, which you know is a crime in your jurisdiction.

Blogger Lew Rand February 23, 2017 11:34 AM  

I will admit I got really mad when Stephan when holier than thou telling Milo to name names or go back with a recording device to prove what happened.

I'm sorry Stephan, you seem rather cavalier with other people's lives in a very tricky situation. Naming names is probably going to be treated as slander (or we'd have a long list from the Corey's etc) and back then if caught Milo would be just another missing young actor. Not even page 35 news...

Blogger Lew Rand February 23, 2017 11:37 AM  

Also I notice one thing. Maybe I missed the nuance, but he described a party. Not a ton of parties. I could get more than one but not many.

Looks like he went, didn't like what he saw and moved in a different direction with his own life, despite personal cost.

If your whole life revolved around making it in Hollywood, would you be able to do the same?

Anonymous Magus February 23, 2017 11:40 AM  

@114 - John, you make a very good critique of what's wrong with Stefan's analysis. I absolutely agree.

Anonymous Magus February 23, 2017 11:43 AM  

The deletion of Galt/Spooner's comments screwed up my targeting. Above comment is aimed at John Wright, @99.

Anonymous Bowman February 23, 2017 11:44 AM  

John Galt is quite a fitting name for a thin skinned libertarian ignoring facts with his ideology.
@John Galt if you don't see the nuances & don't get Vox & Stefan arguments, you either didn't considered all the elements, or you got the wrong conclusions. Either way you're a moron.

@dc.sunsets
"There are a number of open, plain, obvious and irrefutable reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with religious teaching why people should eschew physical intimacy prior to forming what is reasonably expected to be a permanent pair-bond."
Obviously. There is no point in experimenting certain failure. Especially for women for who every experiment is a direct loss of value.

About "social engineering", was vastly expanded by leftist ideology that destroyed the fundamental responsibility of the parents. The messages of "society will take of the children", "education is a public service", "health is a public service", and "women must work" all helped to let children at the mercy of abuse. Busy mothers, untrustful caregivers & institutions. Parents should always have enough connection to their children to prevent such abuse.

Anonymous kfg February 23, 2017 11:46 AM  

" Vox Day Doxxed me last year."

Dear Al,

You can put your mind at ease now. You are not out of line and it isn't just you. He's pure bred Kray-Kray, as in "he has papers."

Blogger Shimshon February 23, 2017 11:47 AM  

"Andrew Spooner"

That's a name I haven't heard in a while. Is he on or off his meds this time?

Blogger Silly But True February 23, 2017 11:49 AM  

@John Galt, You appear to be so fixated on naming names.

There's another great VP contributor like yourself who likes to talk about names. You two should get in touch with each other to converse about the merits spelling Jesus' one true name.

I'm sure I can probably find a link to the guy's website.

Blogger Rabbi B February 23, 2017 11:50 AM  

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Blogger Nate February 23, 2017 11:51 AM  

its times like these when I wish I could spam the comments with bufalo bill images from Silence of the Lambs...

Blogger Rabbi B February 23, 2017 11:51 AM  

@110 Bowman

John Galt is quite a fitting name for a thin skinned libertarian ignoring facts with his ideology.

I think he's actually quite mentally disturbed and in need of a lot of prayer, G-d help him.

Anonymous Casey February 23, 2017 11:52 AM  

It would be a good thing if Milo chose to name names. But I think it's a bit late for him to repackage himself as a victim.

That would ring insincere after going coast to coast on the dangerous faggot tour.

Blogger JohnG February 23, 2017 11:52 AM  

@112 I was always amazed at the number of women in the office (fag hags) that couldn't wait to have our resident gay guy babysit their kids. It's like nobody knows (or believes) about the connection between gays and pedophilia...

Blogger Durandel Almiras February 23, 2017 11:52 AM  

@99 - Mr. Wright, excellent points. I agree with your position now.

Blogger Silly But True February 23, 2017 11:54 AM  

@VD,
Any thought's on Julia getting her father's old band(s) back together? Front242 has already come aboard.

Psykosonik reunion release?

Blogger Nate February 23, 2017 11:54 AM  

"It would be a good thing if Milo chose to name names. But I think it's a bit late for him to repackage himself as a victim."

he is a victim. he was raped by two different men when he was 13. The fact that he cannot call it rape just indicates the trauma still remaining within him.

Blogger Nate February 23, 2017 11:56 AM  

" It's like nobody knows (or believes) about the connection between gays and pedophilia..."

if women have a super power its pretending a very terrible dangerous thing is not terrible and dangerous... in the name of politeness.

Anonymous Sigmond February 23, 2017 11:59 AM  

@34 ...I completely agree. I would also assert that so many of these things happen that it presents the idea that homosexuality is innate as a lie.

How many times did someone follow that path without such early abuse?

The implications I am hearing here is a claim that early child abuse leads to homosexuality and not some other genetic or other natural occurring disposition. Another valid theory would be the existence of these dispositions in a young person in a environment hostile to homosexuality that allows the abuse to occur... its a dangerous theory that homosexuals are created by abuse because if true it becomes a ever expanding population... There is no doubt that there are lots of inappropriate abuse taking place but the main characteristic is access and family/friend and not sexual orientation. But .. that does not mean that people should not be careful -- sexuality is formed at the young ages and exposure in inappropriate things can warp the future normal progression of that child, what ever the orientation.

Blogger JohnG February 23, 2017 12:01 PM  

I was apprehensive about the Right's latching onto Milo they way that they did. I understand he was valuable, the homosexual thing gives the Left one less tool that they can use against somebody on the Right, like a bit of armor. However, it was inevitable that somebody was going to drill down on his lifestyle and expose some things that were never going to be fully acceptable (esp. to the Christian Right). I think he was always going to be collateral damage. Of course it didn't have to end this quickly, but pride comes before a fall and it's easy to get sloppy when you're riding a high and think you really can't be touched.

Anonymous kfg February 23, 2017 12:08 PM  

"... its a dangerous theory . . . because if true ..."

Appeal to Undesirable Consequences.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 23, 2017 12:12 PM  

@ Bowman, About "social engineering", was vastly expanded by leftist ideology that destroyed the fundamental responsibility of the parents. The messages of "society will take of the children", "education is a public service", "health is a public service", and "women must work" all helped to let children at the mercy of abuse. Busy mothers, untrustful caregivers & institutions. Parents should always have enough connection to their children to prevent such abuse.

Absolutely. I look at the modern "middle school" (it was Jr. High in my youth) where children who are in the most tumultuous, puberty-chaotic, personality-forming years of their lives are warehoused in a Lord-of-the-Flies environment drowning in peer pressure and LCD behaviors with relatively little adult supervision.

I know how I'd reformulate it. Whether that's the future or not is unknown. Right now, I'm quite sure that if I tried to open such a "school" organization I'd be jailed or sued into oblivion. There are very few "approved" competitors to the current model and "practicing law without a license" is not isolated to the legal profession.

We must recognize that the herd today primarily sees schools as places where their kids can be dropped off while the parent goes to work.

"Education," while ostensibly the purpose, isn't even an accident when it occurs. The only students now obtaining an education are those who are so predisposed to becoming educated that they can overcome all the obstacles to it now embedded, and still self-educate enough to succeed.

"It Takes A Village" only to turn out Village Idiots.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky February 23, 2017 12:12 PM  

The pedo problem is much bigger than homosexuality, yall.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 23, 2017 12:17 PM  

"That being said, there is a reason that so many who have been witness to such ugliness, from Elijah Wood to Corey Feldman and Allison Arngrim, have not been specific, and are reluctant to identify the responsible parties."

Presumably the combination of the knowledge that the legacy media would be united in burying the story, and the fear of retaliatory attacks-- economic, legal, and physical.

Does anyone remember the Franklin scandal? Boys Town? Who got convicted and sentenced to a long prison term for that? Alisha Owen, one of the victims. For "perjury." Her younger brother beat himself up before hanging himself in jail. Her defense attorney resigned just before the trial, and decided to represent two prosecution witnesses instead. Larry King, of course, was prosecuted, and served tome, for financial crimes. But for acting as a pedophile pimp? According to the narrative, it never happened. It was all a hoax. Honest.

A decent short review of some of the most disturbing aspects of the Franklin scandal, from the commies at Counterpunch:
Counterpunch.org/2012/09/10/stil-evil-after-all-these-years/

Anonymous Bowman February 23, 2017 12:18 PM  

@John Wright
True but it's Stefan's self assigned mission.
Stopping child abuse.
At that level his video is powerful & necessary.

Also Milo controls what he says in public discourse. He has spoken against transgender, homosexuality & other perversity. He can remove the pederast shit. Even if at a deep level it's part of him.

Blogger Cail Corishev February 23, 2017 12:21 PM  

That would ring insincere after going coast to coast on the dangerous faggot tour.

That's a fair point. If he decides to start spreading the truth about how child sexual abuse leads to homosexuality and other disorders, using himself as an example, he will have to move away from the "fabulous happy fag" act (although "dangerous faggot" could still work, with a different connotation). That's the crossroads he may be facing. I'm sure he never intended for his writing and speaking engagements to lead to exposing himself that personally, but here he is.

Part of the problem is what JohnG said: many people today, especially women, have been fully brainwashed into thinking homosexuality is healthy. They honestly don't look at a gay man and wonder what messed him up that bad. They take for granted the sunny side of the gay persona, and won't see the other side unless he spells it out. And unfortunately, at this point, some of them would still prefer to think he's making it up to get himself out of a jam, rather than let go of their naive beliefs about happy homos.

Blogger S1AL February 23, 2017 12:23 PM  

@JohnG - Are you aware of *any* personn who is "fully acceptable"? Stop being so concerned and address the reality we inhabit, not the ideal reality you wish existed.

Anonymous Sigmond February 23, 2017 12:24 PM  

@99 When you approve of homosexuality, you are not doing the homosexual any favors. It is a category error, for it identifies a neurosis as a free choice. This in turn requires one to judge a condemn a man's words and action as if they were free when in fact you are seeing a neurosis the man cannot control play itself out.

There is a logic mistake here - homosexuals would argue that orientation is not a neurosis but a natural variation in sexual preference. Is your sexuality a free choice JCW -- ? no .. you can choice to abstain but the fundamental preference is hardwired...To claim that a near 40 years ago something was considered a mental illness really means anything today is silly -- there was a time when people thought the earth was flat, the earth was the center of the universe, or that earth was 7000 years old...at one point people with epilepsy were thought to be in need of an exorcist.... -- what happened to hysterical wife syndrome, why don't we do ECT, trephination, lobotamy or blood letting.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) February 23, 2017 12:25 PM  

After this morning's insanity, time to have extreme vetting for the comments?

Blogger dc.sunsets February 23, 2017 12:29 PM  

@34 This. Among today's many embedding catastrophes is the widespread availability of free porn videos.

I strongly suspect we have No Idea just how much destruction looms in our future now that so many young men and boys are "imprinted" with the dopamine surge of every possible sexual fantasy---and I do mean fantasy as in FICTION---playing out in full color.

Can we imagine if something so fundamental as sexuality was imprinted by fiction in any venue? Perhaps this is an explanation for the Leftist delusion in the first place?

When I was a kid Playboy Magazine was taboo, its models topless but full frontal nudity still off-limits and its cover art less sexually provocative than a trip to Chicago's Art Institute. Commercials for feminine products didn't occur until I knew enough biology to understand their purpose.

Now, full female nudity is blase. Photos of some supermodel showing off her "assets" appear on news sites while videos running the gamut from drop-dead gorgeous young women naked in 1080p HD fulfilling every possible (and in some cases impossible) desire to individuals illustrating the most disgusting, nausea-inducing fetishes imaginable are available as easily as visiting this blog.

And every kid over 12 has a cell phone.

And every other commercial on TV is for boner pills pimped by a beautiful actress whose eyes brim with offers of ecstasy.

Whose [deleted] idea was this?!

Just another brick in the wall of a coming wave of social change that promises to give us all a Full Poseidon Adventure. I'm all but certain that it will be characterized by unimaginable authoritarianism, and that we'll all WELCOME IT in our desperation to end this rising tide of civilizational catastrophe.

Blogger haus frau February 23, 2017 12:29 PM  

@118 they are buying up to the outsider, virtue signaling using their children as props.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 23, 2017 12:31 PM  

@132 Judge things by their consequences.

You do be a help and call us all when the CDC reports that gays' STD rates have dropped to heteros, will you? Ditto their suicide rates. (This of course requires that the CDC not report fake news rates.)

Blogger Shimshon February 23, 2017 12:32 PM  

I wouldn't say I grew up surrounded by homosexuals, though I was highly exposed to them. I have several gay cousins, each one more flaming than the next. I grew up in Los Angeles in the 1970s. My mother worked in fashion for several years. I'm grateful I emerged unscathed from it all. That also made it easy to see the whole thing as Billy Crystal's character on Soap write large (ie fags as fabulous and happy as Cail in @130 says).

I also had several friends in my college social circle (1980s) who later came out (or even more extreme acts). In hindsight, they were messed up and now everything makes sense.

Anonymous Bowman February 23, 2017 12:34 PM  

@dc.sunsets
"It Takes A Village" lol published at the editor that cancelled Milo. Why would Milo publish at such a shitty publisher ?
"The only students now obtaining an education are those who are so predisposed to becoming educated"
The beauty of leftism, it destroys education in the name of equality, but achieves the opposite. Because smart adapts, stupid suffers.

Blogger Clay, Bill Clay February 23, 2017 12:36 PM  

I've really enjoyed Milo's work and his effectiveness and I will stand by him because:
1. Only shoot left
2. I've been hanging out here for a literal decade and have a ton of trust in Vox. He's earned it.
3. Milo is not guilty of what he is being accused of.

That said, Stef is spot on in that this reveals the darkness that seems intrinsic to that community. I haven't known a lot of gay men and the few that I did I really liked. But the impression I get is that they always have dad issues and/or were sexualized very early.
Q. were you molested as a child?
A. no.
Q. how old were you at your first encounter
A. 12

So while I hate seeing Milo, whom I've grown very fond of, go through this, it could be an effective way to expose and suss out this stuff. Also, I think he's antifragile and will build a win off of it. Could end up being a great thing for him.

And I think the alt right should return this healthy favor by kicking in McMuffin's closet door.

Anonymous Gen. Kong February 23, 2017 12:44 PM  

ZhukovG wrote:
I think the reason many of these folks don't name their abuser is because they have no faith in the system. How many years did Roman Polanski spend in prison?

Even those who are punished, a slap on the wrist typically, usually resume their careers as if nothing happened. But what are the career prospects for the victim?


This is important, because it represents an even greater evil than the pedophilia itself. It is with good reason many have no faith in the system, for any such faith is pure foolishness. The entire system of prosecutors, police, lawyers and judges are there to protect the pedophiles from justice. Oathkeepers my ass. The only thing they're interested in keeping are their pensions and government employee benefits. Look at Rotherham. They are well beyond the point of being worthless. By their decades of aiding and abetting, law enforcement at all levels have proved themselves to be nothing more than criminals operating under the color of law. The pedos are running the deep state. Even so, exposure is a good thing in the end.

Blogger pyrrhus February 23, 2017 12:44 PM  

No firing squads on the right....This cannot be emphasized too much. For historical context, look at how firing squads on the left worked out for the Spanish Republican fighters, who were a mix of Marxists, socialists, anarchists, and workers....

Blogger Cail Corishev February 23, 2017 12:46 PM  

And I think the alt right should return this healthy favor by kicking in McMuffin's closet door.

Speaking of which, Brad Torgersen just now figured out McMuffin, and is shocked and outraged at such a despicable act.

Blogger pyrrhus February 23, 2017 12:47 PM  

@140 Just so. As someone who has been involved in our legal system for forty years, I have extremely little faith in it. Every day we see how politicized prosecutors handcuff law enforcement with respect to the rich and powerful....

Anonymous joe camel February 23, 2017 12:57 PM  

Well, if we believe in western civ., then we believe that cigarette smoking certainly should be celebrated since it is an integral component of western civ., and hence a 5th commandment issue. Once asbestos tips were removed from low tar brands in 1980, the only real carcinogen they contained was also removed. Untipped brands were always healthy since they have no filters to corrupt the smoke. Drug addiction and sodomy certainly should not be celebrated (if we exclude hemp leaves from the definition of "drug addiction").

Blogger Magister Wood February 23, 2017 1:01 PM  

It must be a slow day at the Waffle House.

Blogger JohnG February 23, 2017 1:06 PM  

@131 Reality. The exuberant sucking of black cock, bathhouse/rest stop orgies and predilection for young boys isn't going to be acceptable to a lot of people on the Right, particularly Christians. He's a champion for free speech, but he would never be fully embraced.

Blogger John Wright February 23, 2017 1:10 PM  

@132
"There is a logic mistake here - homosexuals would argue that orientation is not a neurosis but a natural variation in sexual preference. Is your sexuality a free choice JCW -- ? no .. you can choice to abstain but the fundamental preference is hardwired...To claim that a near 40 years ago something was considered a mental illness really means anything today is silly --"

A logic mistake? There are two.

The first one is Ad Verecundiam, where you say that because someone (in this case, a homosexual) says something, therefore it must be true.

The second is Ad Novitatem, where you dismiss scientific knowledge from 40 years ago due to its age, even though there is no change in the scientific model involved, no new experiment, no new study, which confirms the overthrow of the old model.

The Theory of General Relativity is older than 40 years, as is Newton's Third Law of Gravity. Do you argue that they are incorrect?

Your 'argument' consists of gratuitous assertions. You have identifies conclusions of mine with which you disagree, but not identified any error in my reasoning.

And, I dare say, you talk like someone who does not know any homosexuals. I had one in my family. He committed suicide.

So when you leap to tell me that no neurosis is involved, I have cause for doubt.

Blogger mushroom February 23, 2017 1:55 PM  

VD wrote:How is this not the opposite of a show of loyalty?

Stefan is loyal to no man. He is a true philosopher and is loyal only to his perception of the truth. He does not do shows of loyalty. I respect and admire that.

I am not as pure a philosopher. I stand by my friends, especially when they are wrong.


That is the definition of a friend. Loyalty.

Blogger mgh February 23, 2017 2:00 PM  

The Open Letter by Briggs seems to contemplate that Milo can change to be a father and husband. As far as I'm aware, there are damn few such successful conversions. I think the more achievable path can be derived from Matthew 19:11-12. It matters not at this point if Milo was born homo, or created by an abuser, or chose freely himself. Milo's greatest potential will be realized if he can control it and realize that his freedom from family obligations has put him in possession of an enormous amount of time and energy that can be used for the glory of God.

Anonymous grey enlightenment February 23, 2017 2:08 PM  

I hope this 'Father Micheal' gets a visit from the police. Stephan is correct...Milo, for the sake of the victims, needs to speak up. no more jokes

Blogger Elder Son February 23, 2017 2:43 PM  

God works in mysterious ways. Whether physical, mental, or spiritual conflict. Wouldn't it be great if Milo came through this all denouncing and repenting from his lifestyle? And no one needs to embrace Milo's homosexuality, to celebrate whatever truth he speaks. He has already admitted his mistakes. That is at least a first step, hopefully he keeps following through with it. And there is nothing wrong with his friends eating and drinking with sinners and tax collectors, just as long as they are not partaking in their sins and... tax collecting.

Anonymous Nick February 23, 2017 2:52 PM  

Durandel Almiras wrote:I'm not sure what the issue is here. I stand by Milo. I completely agree with Stefan's critique. Milo is a sinner, so no wrong in calling out his sin and telling him to repent. He could do so much if he would name names and stop trying to normalize and anesthetize his abuse. He should courageously face it and take down some pedophiles if he can. I also hope this episode helps him to finally renounce his homosexual inclination like Oscar Wilde eventually did.

And as a Catholic, I really want the priest named and kicked out. Granted, if the priest is a support of Pope Francine, good luck getting rid of him.


I don't think "Father Michael" is a real person, it sounded like dark humor to me. Milo has also been very supportive of his Catholicism, most recently on Bill Maher, which would run contrary to the anti-Catholicism of other abuse victims. As I mentioned in a previous comment, I think older gay men who end up having sex with younger gay (or questioning?) men are demonic. Milo mentioned this behavior in those videos positively and again supported it in his press conference. This didn't sit well with me. The media lies are horrible, but the attack was made possible by material Milo provided, a window into his dark past. I hope he can sort these things out and that he has some good spiritual guidance. Perhaps this is a blessing in disguise. I also was disappointed about his new focus on "entertainment". The "entertainment industry" is the greatest soul killer on earth. Stay away from those evil fakers! I'll be praying for you Milo.

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright February 23, 2017 3:21 PM  

Moira Greyland Peat's take on Milo:

http://superversivesf.com/2017/02/21/moira-offers-unique-insight-milos-words/

OpenID aew51183 February 23, 2017 3:41 PM  

@10

That's about right. Molyneux cow-tows to the left and loyally punches right. After all his reports on the lies of the media he eats one hook line and sinker.

Much like his older arguments regarding anarcho-capitalist states with no police or military, he deploys remarkably crafted intellectual dishonesty while stabbing one of the most potent right-wing recruiters in the back.

Blogger Matthew February 23, 2017 3:47 PM  

L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright wrote: Moira Greyland Peat's take on Milo:


That's a must-read. Thanks, LJag.

Blogger Gaiseric February 23, 2017 4:04 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:And I think the alt right should return this healthy favor by kicking in McMuffin's closet door.

Speaking of which, Brad Torgersen just now figured out McMuffin, and is shocked and outraged at such a despicable act.

I have a lot of friends who were sympathetic to McMuffin during the election. I call them out all the time. Anyone who was so stupid, so naive, so self-righteous, that they preferred that obvious snake in the grass to Trump, just because "Trump says some mean things sometimes" should be too embarrassed and ashamed to ever approach the polls ever again.

Blogger Matthew February 23, 2017 4:06 PM  

Gaiseric wrote:Anyone who was so stupid, so naive, so self-righteous, that they preferred that obvious snake in the grass to Trump, just because "Trump says some mean things sometimes" should be too embarrassed and ashamed to ever approach the polls ever again.

And they should be subjected to fat-paddling and Indian rope burns before being allowed to speak at parties.

Blogger Gaiseric February 23, 2017 4:06 PM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) wrote:After this morning's insanity, time to have extreme vetting for the comments?
If a wall with a guarded gate and extreme vetting is appropriate for Heaven, it should be acceptable for America and for the comments section.

Anonymous CMC February 23, 2017 4:11 PM  

@99
[Molyneux] scrutinizes Milo's comments with a word by word analysis as if each word had been selected and weighed, and he comes to the conclusion that a man who says he opposes pedophiles [...] supports them.


People tell the truth in casual conversation or accidentally reveal it in unprepared comments all the time. Poker players call it a 'tell.' It's not whether he scrutinizes something word for word but whether it makes sense, is true, insightful, useful. As far as I'm concerned it's a good, well-developed, careful, charitable, analysis. Molyneux examined both Milo's opinions and Milo's factual assertions or recollections, added a number of reasonable assumptions and inferences, and drew a number of conclusions, including the ultimate one, the one well noted by Vox.

Further, there's no 'listen carefully.' It's a 46 minute broadcast with one guy talking who makes it crystal clear over the course of about a minute and a half that he's making inferences from two separate broadcast statements by Milo. Go to ~18:13-19:15.

Secondly, it's not just "boy." Molyneux' explicit assumption and clear qualification isn't that "boy" has to always mean pre adolescent of 13 or so. Just to be cautious I'm going to omit details, but there's boy, young boy, and very young boys (~29:00) and the reasonable interpretation was that a young age and molestation were implied. You're trying to narrow it down to one word when it's at least three phrases and three events/situations. The inferences pile on each other and I'm not hearing Molyneux avoid anything.

Third, you wrote: "To me, this looks like a psychological defense mechanism, not support for the practice...." Molyneux talks about processing the pain and anger of being molested and basically explains how there's like a long con where part of the crime is convincing the victim after the act that it's not only a legitimate activity, but good, and that there's an identity to it and a community; that that's part of what lets these guys off the hook. In other words, M acknowledges that aspect of it.

Anonymous BBGKB February 23, 2017 4:24 PM  

and are reluctant to identify the responsible parties. What that reason may be, I don't know

I have mentioned before narcing people out for this, and burning bridges. The problem in the gay community is you will become more of a pariah than the ones you narc out, so I still lie to other gays and say that I didn't to it. I even lied to the one jailed guys father and blamed the "nigger bitch next door that didn't like him".

Keep in mind these will be the best customers at bars/clubs/events and places like DC will let 13yos into dance clubs. If you can freely spend cash for booze & drugs for kids you will be popular. The head of my states Health & Human services had pool parties at his place for the gay youth group in the state capital area.

Blogger Brian Niemeier February 23, 2017 4:45 PM  

@John C. Wright

Well said. You've crystallized the points I was trying to get across on your blog yesterday. In particular: Molyneux's take on the situation is skewed by his tacit, a priori acceptance of homosexuality as normal.

Blogger Mountain Man February 23, 2017 4:46 PM  

Child abuse is deeply damaging to the psyche of the victim. From the time of the abuse -onward - they set out on the journey of life with a stone tied to their ankles. Their unharmed peers, have full mobility. This kid knows this and sees it. It hurts -deeply. Leads to depression, drug/alcohol abuse,risky sexual behavior and in worse case scenarios - suicide. Sadly, only a minority of victims will ever confront the pain they endured and begin the healing process. Its painful and expensive. Very good therapists are not cheap. It also involves forgiveness...of those who harmed, those who failed to protect etc... Forgiveness is fuckn hard when there is deep hurt and rage about what was done and the effects its had on cheating the victim out of years of their life. However, forgiveness must be there ..for without the healing and transformation will never take place. Over time, the memories and rage will subside but there always will be a melancholic troll who will on occasion come up from the deep recesses within and seek to be fed. Its at that time you cling mightily to the verse " He will replace what the locusts and moths have eaten"

Blogger Lone Catholic February 23, 2017 4:58 PM  

Regarding the abuse inflicted on Milo, Stefan Molyneux states that, "you cannot consent to a sexual relationship when you are 13 years old," because "you are not an independent human being," and that "you are not free to choose."

I profoundly disagree. At 13, a person is old enough to know the difference between good and evil. He is also old enough to know that homosexual is both unnatural and vile. I can only speculate, but I suspect that Milo was not raised in a household or community that instilled in him strong morals or virtues that would have saved him from his perversion.

I agree with Stefan that those men should never have taken advantage of a vulnerable boy. What they did to him was unspeakably evil and cries out for punishment. But Milo himself shares some blame as well. At 13, he should have known that the abuse was both criminal and wrong. He should have known that the proper response would have been to resist the assaults, and report them to his parents, or teachers, or the police. He should have known that he should never submit to any homosexual advances, no matter what his circumstances were.

Homosexuality is a mortal sin, condemned throughout the Bible. It is the result of other mortal sins (lust and idolatry), "worshipping the creature rather than the Creator," according to St. Paul in Romans.

The homosexual must, and can, be cured of his affliction. If Milo (or anyone like him) is serious about changing his life, and resolves never again to sin mortally, and accepts the traditional Catholic faith, he will be delivered from his homosexuality, without a doubt.

Blogger John Wright February 23, 2017 5:05 PM  

@159
" People tell the truth in casual conversation or accidentally reveal it in unprepared comments all the time. "


All I can say is that, for my part, when I was on the receiving end of this kind of troll pile-on by the Left, and the libel-storm happened to me, my words were also subjected to similar editing and similar deliberate misinterpretation by fools and liars, trying their damnest to pretend I had said things I had not said and that I believed things I do not believe.

So forgive me if I seem rather impatient when I see others doing to him what was done to me. The same tone of preposterous self righteousness was adopted, the same facile ability to ignore anything that did not fit the narrative. In my case, ironically, the narrative was that I hated homosexuals, and would never defend one. Hmm...

When you want to read between the lines of what stranger says, it is best to take them at their word. Anything else proceeds on the assumption that he acts in bad faith.

Your telepathy and tell reading skillz are not as L33t as you might think, young Jedi.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 23, 2017 5:09 PM  

@Some Dude
"2 jew plants sig heiling"

That's "2 jew plants and a Vietnamese woman"

Anonymous BBGKB February 23, 2017 5:18 PM  

I am not going to read 160+ comments on this subject especially with the trolls we had recently, but gays will refer to themselves as "boy" all thru their 20s and until they hit the wall, which for bottoms is were Milo is almost there.

One last thing I will say is that an ex had taken advantage of his friends younger brother while he was drunk down by the railroad tracks & he was still friends with him even after his younger brother tried to kill himself.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 23, 2017 5:42 PM  

@John Wright
"Your 'argument' consists of gratuitous assertions."

B-b-b-but "Muh Progress!"

Blogger Tracy Coyle February 23, 2017 5:49 PM  

1) I chose my lifestyle. I was not born with it.
2) I was never molested or assaulted (though I was beaten up a bunch of times - hey...Chicago, southside, 60s and 70s...whataexpect..
3) I was a virgin til 20.

Milo can't JUST name names. Beyond the lawsuits, he COULD depending on who, when and where, go to jail for it. Depending on the pull/reach/power of the people so named - there is the danger of much more serious injuries.

Milo's exposing the three had details, investigations and some proof. Just naming names is reckless. And yes, the system is so corrupt, there is no guarantee that such an effort would work. Those he names on the Right would be career ending no matter the field; those he names on the Left would get the full support of the media, Left organizations and Liberals in general.

Someone elsewhere said 'thought leaders are condemning Milo'. To which I said, I've been reading and support seems to be broad and even a majority. He then referenced NR....yea, I laughed too.

I stand with Milo. He is neither perfect, nor always right. Too bad I am not a guy....or Black....I'd join him in a foxhole.

Anonymous g February 23, 2017 5:49 PM  

When I first heard about Milo's comments, my first thought was that they were in connection with Pizzagate, and that Milo was probably trying to be provocative in order to get a "national conversation" going about pedophilia. I assumed his intention was perhaps to get some politicians or pundits to publicly condemn pedophilia and perhaps state limits under which such behavior would be unacceptable.

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook February 23, 2017 5:56 PM  

Im coming under the persuasion more and more that pedophiles and homosexuals are like jews and muslims. Enemies to anyone that doesn't take a closer look.

Blogger Lazarus February 23, 2017 5:59 PM  

BBGKB wrote:I am not going to read 160+ comments on this subject especially with the trolls we had recently, but gays will refer to themselves as "boy" all thru their 20s and until they hit the wall,.

Milo said this very thing in his Facebook video. Never mind reading comprehension, a lot of people do not even have hearing comprehension.

Anonymous Loki7 February 23, 2017 6:31 PM  

@148 Someone friendly may bail you out of jail while a friend will be sitting next to you in the cell saying,`` Dude, we really screwed up this time!``

Blogger Elder Son February 23, 2017 6:44 PM  

I profoundly disagree. At 13, a person is old enough to know the difference between good and evil. He is also old enough to know that homosexual is both unnatural and vile.

It's also possible that Milo had a predisposition by his upbringing/surroundings to allow such a thing. It is patently false to say that, at 13, one should know the difference between good and evil. Many a missionary were eaten by cannibals who had no idea that eating missionaries was "evil".

Blogger SirHamster February 23, 2017 6:53 PM  

John Wright wrote:Molyneux comes very close to this conclusion when he noticed how self destructive Milo's behavior is, but he does not draw the correct conclusion, because he does not look with eyes of charity, and so he sees a choice, but does not see a sin.

Until he converts, Mr Molyneux is not going to be seeing reality in a realistic light.


Thank you for weighing in, Mr. Wright.

There is a certain wisdom in dealing with man that I have only seen inside the Church and not outside it, even though there are certainly many smart and wise men out there.

The foolishness of God is greater than the wisdom of men, and we have a Spirit of truth to light our way.

Blogger Mountain Man February 23, 2017 7:00 PM  

pedophiles and homosexuals are like jews and muslims....and catholic priests, evangelical youth pastors, scout volunteers hmmm.. was anyone left out?

Anonymous Sigmond February 23, 2017 7:25 PM  

JCW says "The first one is Ad Verecundiam, where you say that because someone (in this case, a homosexual) says something, therefore it must be true."

I would point if you were being intellectually honest with yourself that you realized that you are guilty of this. if you want to dismiss what someone says simply because they said it, and to infer that you know more about them than they know about them, that's your right.. but it would make you seem a fool.

JCW says "The second is Ad Novitatem, where you dismiss scientific knowledge from 40 years ago due to its age, even though there is no change in the scientific model involved, no new experiment, no new study, which confirms the overthrow of the old model."

You perhaps research these things before you comment -- the truth is exactly the opposite to what you say - elegantly yes (nice sprinkling of latin phrases). The DSM-5 specifically does not list homosexuality as a "neurosis" or a mental illness.

JCW says "The Theory of General Relativity is older than 40 years, as is Newton's Third Law of Gravity. Do you argue that they are incorrect?"

Are you trying to assert that the correctness of these two laws means that an antiquated understanding of mental illness is correct as well ?

Actually Newtons laws were proven to be incorrect at high velocities approaching C. Newtons 3rd law is particularly interesting -- it too has been found to be wrong in some instances like two charged particles of different mass interacting will radiate at difference frequencies and produce asymmetric forces in direct contrast to newtons 3rd law.. if you want newtons third law to be correct, you need to translate it into a more general statement of conservation of momentum. General relativity theory has existing for longer than 40 years and its understanding has been expanded over time to mean much more than Einstein first thought. Much like our understanding of mental illness.

JWC says "Your 'argument' consists of gratuitous assertions. You have identifies conclusions of mine with which you disagree, but not identified any error in my reasoning."

You argument was flawed,, set on a false field and argued using incorrect logic .. theres really no other way to describe it. But we can disagree and I still respect you .. if for no other reason that I know you to be an smart man -- smart men can be wrong, its not a crime.

JCW says " And, I dare say, you talk like someone who does not know any homosexuals. I had one in my family. He committed suicide."

Again you accuse me of a crime that you yourself commit in the actual accusal -- I have at least two close relatives that are homosexual and I know many homosexuals of all types in many personal and professional capacities. I am dearly sorry for the loss of family member that was homosexual.. I would not even guess what the situation was that caused them to take their own life but I hope they had a loving, safe and understanding place to live and no one accused them of being sinners, god forsaken evildoers.

JCW says "So when you leap to tell me that no neurosis is involved, I have cause for doubt."

That is the consensus of the psychiatric community -- not mine. Now you may believe you know more than they do, and maybe you do.. but whats really the chances of that my friend ?

Blogger Scott Birch February 23, 2017 7:38 PM  

There is the strong possibility that Milo, provocative queen that he is, was telling tall stories or exaggerating a lot, and now can't admit because he won't be believed. Gay men do this. A lot.

Blogger Lone Catholic February 23, 2017 8:11 PM  

Elder Son wrote:

It's also possible that Milo had a predisposition by his upbringing/surroundings to allow such a thing. It is patently false to say that, at 13, one should know the difference between good and evil. Many a missionary were eaten by cannibals who had no idea that eating missionaries was "evil".

His surroundings surely had much to do with his predisposition, but he still made a choice.

A 13 year old definitely knows the difference between good and evil. Children are no less responsible than adults for the evil they do. Even in a wicked environment, a child can still follow his instinct that was implanted by God, and choose good. Milo chose otherwise, and that's why he is afflicted today.

The instinct that tells us to do good and avoid evil is innate in all of us, even before having any knowledge of God. Those cannibals chose to go against their instinct and do evil, and in so doing condemned their souls to everlasting punishment and torment.

Blogger ViciousCreep February 23, 2017 8:41 PM  

Here is an interesting take from a very smart guy who actually knew Milo and worked with him. Anyone who's still interested in is worth looking at his judeo-christian take: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mhW4btiO-s

Blogger Nate February 23, 2017 8:53 PM  

"That is the consensus of the psychiatric community -- not mine. Now you may believe you know more than they do, and maybe you do.. but whats really the chances of that my friend ?"

The opinion of the psychiatric community changes with whatever the popular wind brings.

Blogger Elder Son February 23, 2017 9:01 PM  

@178 Children can become so spiritually oppressed by their environment that their "instinct implanted by God", or that small still voice, can become skewed, or over shadowed by darkness. And of course he "made a decision". A decision possibly skewed by his upbringing.

But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

Train up a child in the way he should go, Even when he is old he will not depart from it.

Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger; instead, bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.


There is a reason for these and many more exhortations.

Blogger Lone Catholic February 23, 2017 9:21 PM  

Elder Son wrote:@178 Children can become so spiritually oppressed by their environment that their "instinct implanted by God", or that small still voice, can become skewed, or over shadowed by darkness. And of course he "made a decision". A decision possibly skewed by his upbringing.

But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

Train up a child in the way he should go, Even when he is old he will not depart from it.

Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger; instead, bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.


There is a reason for these and many more exhortations.


And Milo is still not off the hook. He is a pervert, and he is aware that his condition is gravely sinful. Yet he persists in his rejection of God.

If Milo truly wanted to, he could rid himself of his homosexuality for good. But he loves his sin too much, and refuses to renounce it. He needs to embrace the traditional Catholic faith, and pray the Rosary daily, not only to cure himself of his perversion, but also to save his soul.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 23, 2017 9:30 PM  

@116 Rabbi B
I think he's actually quite mentally disturbed and in need of a lot of prayer, G-d help him.
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Yes, I remember a couple times a good while back - but I thought he got back on track.

Blogger Mountain Man February 23, 2017 9:34 PM  

@182
Read the sort of the Prodigal Son ..and meditate deeply upon it. If that doesn't cure you of your smugness, I don't know what will. Lastly, Im probably going to create a new shitstorm here but praying the Rosary and and embracing the traditional Catholic faith isn't going to do shit for his soul. Its faith in the sufficiency of Christ alone that saves - nothing more nothing less.
We all know Milo needs to know the Lord to be truly healed but in the mean time the smug among us need to back the fuck off and just show some words of encouragement and genuine agape love.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 23, 2017 9:36 PM  

@132 Sigmond

there was a time when people thought the earth was flat
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Not to go off topic, but you are fortunately ignorant of the latter day flat earthers :P

Blogger Were-Puppy February 23, 2017 9:38 PM  

@134 dc.sunsets
@34 This. Among today's many embedding catastrophes is the widespread availability of free porn videos.
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That's nothing compared to what is coming in the future. Google sexbots. It's creepy as hell.

Anonymous A Former Spartan February 23, 2017 9:38 PM  

Mr. Wright, your answers are as entertaining as they are instructive. Even when I disagree with you (I'm EO), I read each with pleasure and csrefully review my own position.

Blogger Elder Son February 23, 2017 9:46 PM  

@182 No. Milo needs to accept Jesus as his personal Lord and Savior and repent from his sins. And he needs lots of prayer to overcome the spirit of homosexuality, and mental addiction.

Anonymous A Former Spartan February 23, 2017 9:52 PM  

There's a reason we are told that sin "enslaves," I also seem to recall someone of some stature referring to his inability to do the giid he willed or resist the evil he abhored. Now who was that . . . ? Yes, we have choices, but those choices are always made in the context of a fallen world where we are more closely tied to the brokeness of others than we prefer to imagine.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 23, 2017 9:55 PM  

@175 Mountain Man
pedophiles and homosexuals are like jews and muslims....and catholic priests, evangelical youth pastors, scout volunteers hmmm.. was anyone left out?
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Every now and then you hear about some martial art instructor

Anonymous A Former Spartan February 23, 2017 9:56 PM  

Well said. In Orthodoxy we are constantly reminded that we do not sin alone. Our acts matter and affect others, not in some abstract legal sense, but in a very real way. There are NO "victimless" crimes/sins.

Anonymous Avalanche February 23, 2017 10:03 PM  

@64 "Unfortunately, while we all know that, Milo doesn't know it, not really. It's common for abuse victims to gain a (false) sense of control over their lives by saying, essentially, "That was really my idea," as Milo did with Rogan. If something horrible happened to you, it's a little less horrible if you chose it than if you were helpless."

BINGO! Exact truth! If you pretend to believe that you caused (or invited) it to happen, then you're not (yet) forced to deal with: "I had NO POWER and NO PROTECTOR!"

Have none of you seen "Good Will Hunting" -- and understood the scene before the ending? To even have someone tell you it wasn't your fault is ... beyond painful! To give up the bravado and the fake "I chose it" means you have to accept what was done to you.

Anonymous Avalanche February 23, 2017 10:07 PM  

"Yes, it is a risk, but it always is a risk to do what is right in a corrupt world."

How BRAVE of you to sit behind your computer and suggest some lovely hurt young man who was abused as a child should act in your stead! Are YOUR forging your slow path through the Podesta emails? Are YOU doing any work investigating child abuse? Or are you just takin' shots at someone who is dealing as best he can in a madly abusive public sphere who is intentionally being FURTHER abused by the assaultive lying press?!

How brave you are to urge this young man to take even more risks than he does now, so you don't have to!

Blogger Buybuydandavis February 23, 2017 10:11 PM  

VD: What that reason may be, I don't know, but I think it would be absolutely wrong for those of who are not victims to demand that Milo do what those others could not. What we can and should do, however, is to continue to offer our support for him, and encourage him to listen to his conscience and to speak the truth without fear, whatever it might be.

I think that's about right.

Stef makes great points about what it would be best for the world for Milo to do. But we don't hold anyone else to these standards, whether reporting witnessed events, or talking about their own experience as a victim.

Maybe Milo can live up to a higher standard, and I'd encourage him to do so, but I won't condemn him for not living up to that standard either.

Anonymous Avalanche February 23, 2017 10:14 PM  

@84 Midnight Avenue J

BRAVA! Brilliantly, sympathetically, very kindly written! (Alas, as they say: it takes one to know one. But wisdom comes through pain. You've had one and gained the other!)

Blogger Michael Maier February 23, 2017 10:15 PM  

I suppose it should shock me that Hollyfag parties have open molestation and drugs... but it really doesn't. They probably do things that make EYES WIDE SHIT (sic) look tame.

Anonymous Avalanche February 23, 2017 10:16 PM  

@85 dc.sunsets

Whodduh thunk it!? YOU get it really well too! Well written!

Anonymous Avalanche February 23, 2017 10:21 PM  

@89 "Kids who are abused rightly blame their parents."

The "funny" (peculiar, not ha-ha) thing is: if the abuse is "inside the house," many (most?) blame the NON-abusive parent for lack of protection even more than the actually abusive parent! ("Outside the house," it's more 'evenly' shared...)

Anonymous Clay The Swamp Spartan February 23, 2017 10:31 PM  

Drop "Milo" off the radar. His shit is done. Forget him.

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