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Saturday, February 04, 2017

Attacked at Berkeley

Stefan Molyneux interviews Katrina, the blonde woman who was on video being assaulted by the SJW thugs rioting at UC-Berkeley. She was pepper-sprayed and concussed; her husband was beaten unconscious and several of his ribs were broken.



Watch the video. Notice how they attack. They're very skirmish-oriented, very hit-and-run. Effective, limited-force counters are going to require interfering with their ability to do so. Canes and staffs taking them down to the ground by application to the legs would likely be most effective for the untrained; sweeps and strikes to the knee would be the right tactic for the trained. Take them down, then have your allies drag them back away from their companions and zip-tie them.

It's clear that they are inclined to use pepper spray, but those trying to pepper-spray can be taken out very easily, as when they extend their arm, they are vulnerable to either a) being taken down with a rotation, b) having their arm broken, or, if they're small enough, c) thrown behind. The key is to be aware and ready for it; as soon as the arm comes out, grab with the opposite hand and pull hard.

Notice that Katrina and her husband thought they were prepared; they both were wearing kevlar vests. But defensive measures are not enough; one has to be prepared to neutralize the attackers when they attack. Always wear a belt, as it's easy to loop it over an attacker's neck, particularly one attacking someone else, and incapacitate them with it. In extremis, it can also be used in combination with a set of keys, or a pocket knife with a loop, as a flail.

Notice that both the pepper-spray attackers were women. These are not fearsome streetfighters, they are relying on getting in and out without being touched.

But most importantly, stop relying on the police and the media! They are not going to defend you, they are not going to take your side, and they are not going to give you a fair shake.

It occurs to me that as they rely upon anonymity, an Antifa List should be added to the SJW List so that everyone knows exactly who these people are.

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174 Comments:

Blogger Dirtnapninja February 04, 2017 7:32 AM  

Carry a blackthorn or a shillelagh. They can justified as simple walking sticks, but they make excellent weapons.

Blogger Antony February 04, 2017 7:33 AM  

Awareness is the key, also, be prepared, this lady mentioned one of the pro Milo girls came along wearing high heels - not a good idea in this sort of situation, also, don't meet up for drinks beforehand, alcohol will dull you're senses and reactions, and yes, learn kung fu & combatives etc.
Part of the reason the "Casuals" movement grew up around football in the UK was as a self defence mechanism against attacks by other hooligan firms - they met up as a group beforehand so they had strength in numbers.

Blogger Malcivus February 04, 2017 7:41 AM  

Caltrops defeat all mobs.
The ones who aren't taken down by the spikes are taken down by the bodies of those who are.

You just need enough of them. And to keep your own people out of the area.

Anonymous Alice De Goon February 04, 2017 7:43 AM  

I penned an anthem for the modern student protestor. Sung to the tune of "Little Boxes" (original song here.)

Little signs all made of cardboard
Bearing Communistic slogans
Being waved by screaming children,
Who are all dressed just the same.
Some have green hair, some have pink hair
Some have blue hair, some have yellow hair
But they all love Che Guevara
And they all look just the same.

And these kids were raised in nice towns
And went to the university,
Where their Marxist Professors
Taught them about Hate and Shame,
About "White Privilege" and the Knapsack
And 'bout intersectionality,
And how White Men were the Devil,
Now they all think just the same.

And these Children got degrees
in Black-Chicano-Asian-Tranny Studies,
And they learned all of the buzzwords
that would help them hate and shame,
"You're a racist!" "You're a sexist!"
"You are trans and homo-phobic!"
And they screamed about Social Justice,
And they all sound just the same.

And these children jointed Antifa,
And they burned down the University,
Where they were taught all the buzzwords
that would help them hate and shame.
And they wave their signs of cardboard,
And they scream about love and tolerance,
As the world burns down around them,
And they all act....quite insane.








Blogger Cataline Sergius February 04, 2017 7:59 AM  

I jotted down a few thoughts myself on quick proportional response to SJW violence just after the inauguration.

Armed always beats unarmed...however and this is important...under American law the definition of "Deadly Force" is the sharp edge we will have to walk on.

From Cornell University Law School: Deadly force means that force which a reasonable person would consider likely to cause death or serious bodily harm. Its use may be justified only under conditions of extreme necessity, when all lesser means have failed or cannot reasonably be employed.

Under US law any use of a firearm is ALWAYS considered Deadly Force. Firearms while our constitutional right are life and death last resort. 

You have to meet their violence with a proportional response.  We are the sane ones and that is quite a burden.

Gearshift: Have you ever noticed that traditional Martial Arts weapons resemble farm implements?  There's a reason for that.

Now carrying a bo staff and sai on an American street is likely to be viewed as provocative (and you will look fucking stupid).   But an (unbreakable) umbrella and a (skullbuster) pen will not.

Blogger Dirtnapninja February 04, 2017 8:01 AM  

Malcivus wrote:Caltrops defeat all mobs.

The ones who aren't taken down by the spikes are taken down by the bodies of those who are.

You just need enough of them. And to keep your own people out of the area.


I wonder what would happen if people rolled marbles into that mob.

Blogger Sentient Spud February 04, 2017 8:03 AM  

@6 Hilarity.

Blogger AdognamedOp February 04, 2017 8:05 AM  

This isn't the type of shit that needs to be broken down art of war style. If you cant fight don't to these events.

Blogger VD February 04, 2017 8:06 AM  

If you cant fight don't to these events.

You can, but you need to go in a sufficiently large group that contains several who do know how to fight. Groups of twenty should be sufficient.

Blogger Antony February 04, 2017 8:10 AM  

Also - don't forget decent quality shatterproof glasses or goggles, I understand various military surplus and shooting type suppliers sell these to protect eyes from shrapnel,spray,rocks etc

Blogger AdognamedOp February 04, 2017 8:18 AM  

These mobs aren't cohesive, it's usual one coward blind siding. A large grouping wont stop these lone attacks and likely further enrage the mobs.

Blogger benedictsanctus February 04, 2017 8:19 AM  

Good advice; thanks.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr February 04, 2017 8:20 AM  

The problem with most martial arts is that it takes time to become really proficient.

A cane or walking stick will work well, you can hit hard without much training. You'll do much better with training, of course. Most other improvised weapons I have serious doubts about.

The real head-hurter is whether or not to carry firearms. I suspect matters will escalate and deadly force will become justified, but the case has to be iron-clad.

Blogger Bobo #117 February 04, 2017 8:24 AM  

Hard to conceal without a backpack or purse, but hornet spray is lovely on close crowds...

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein February 04, 2017 8:24 AM  

Canes and staffs taking them down to the ground by application to the legs would likely be most effective for the untrained; sweeps and strikes to the knee would be the right tactic for the trained.

"Sweep the leg."

"But, Sensei?"

"SWEEP. THE. LEG!"

Blogger Antony February 04, 2017 8:29 AM  

Styxhexenhammer666 made some good points ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlWzywUXGdk&feature=em-uploademail

Blogger Felix Bellator February 04, 2017 8:29 AM  

Lord, not the hornet spray suggestion. It is not designed for self-defense and is regulated to death on uses other than killing hornets. RTF Label.....

Anonymous Be Deplorable, Not Afraid February 04, 2017 8:35 AM  

Defense options are likely to be limited for those wishing to actually get admitted. I don't think blackjacks, asps, etc. would pass muster if there are metal detectors and such being used.

Anonymous S. Misanthrope February 04, 2017 8:39 AM  

The event banned basically anything, including cameras other than your phone. It was more or less go in defenseless or not at all.

Blogger Robert What? February 04, 2017 8:39 AM  

"But most importantly, stop relying on the police and the media! They are not going to defend you, they are not going to take your side, and they are not going to give you a fair shake."

Not only will the police not take your side, they are likely to take the side of the attackers.

Blogger VD February 04, 2017 8:42 AM  

Defense options are likely to be limited for those wishing to actually get admitted. I don't think blackjacks, asps, etc. would pass muster if there are metal detectors and such being used.

Kali sticks are shellacked bamboo. There are any number of hard plastic or wooden rods that would suit. The purpose is to trip them up and take them down for neutralization, not beating anyone over the head.

Blogger Some Dude February 04, 2017 8:43 AM  

Martin Luther wrote a 500 page tract on the jews and their lies. Alexander solzhenitsyn wrote another on how the jews killed millions of slavs called 200 years together that is banned in Zion's vassal states. Amazing how the memory hole is now spitting on these very interesting facts as the torque on its mind control is loosening. I wouldn't be surprised if we found out one day most of our intellectuals and leaders pre 1965 wrote extensively or mentioned things in public about the jewish threat. Henry Ford is a good example. History is the next frontier of exploration, not space.

Anonymous The Other Donald February 04, 2017 8:46 AM  

Once you have them zip-tied, break their hands and feet, elbows and knees, and rupture their testicles, thereby incapacitating them for future violence. Much more effective (and long lasting) than putting them in jails.

Blogger Some Dude February 04, 2017 8:46 AM  

Aha, now I see. The debauched Martin Luther, Martin Luther King the negro, is Zion's humorous troll attempt to replace the founder of protestantism, Martin Luther for anti semitic protestations. I see it clearer now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_and_antisemitism

They come for your land, children, religion, money, homes and way of life. They will never stop. The russians can tell you that for free.

Blogger wreckage February 04, 2017 8:46 AM  

A walking stick would be ideal. Whipping someone's legs with it is reliably non-lethal - far more reliably than a punch to the face or neck region, which can kill - and getting hit with a stick hurts like hell.

However, if you beat them once they're down, you're going to prison. They won't, but you will.

Keep that in mind when there's a confrontation, and keep it in mind, and rage in your heart, any time these fuckers try to give you shit about "privilege".

Blogger wreckage February 04, 2017 8:48 AM  

@23 Sure, if you want to end up in prison getting gang-raped, that's a brilliant idea. And while Bubba is pounding his diseased misshapen cock up your arse, you'll be soothed by the knowledge that you were righteous.

Blogger wreckage February 04, 2017 8:49 AM  

"This stings so much less knowing I was in the right all along."

Blogger Bobo #117 February 04, 2017 8:53 AM  

"May I use hornet spray?"

"No, it's regulated."

"Shit."

Blogger Salt February 04, 2017 8:55 AM  

VD wrote:The purpose is to trip them up and take them down for neutralization, not beating anyone over the head.

Why? Neutralize them, zip-tie them, then what? Hold for vaunted first-responder police, who happen to be barricaded inside the building?

If it's now so dangerous to go to an event, why should it not be even more so for these idiots? I'm not saying to start it.

Best legal defense is lots of people recording from many angles.

Start nothing. Finish everything.

Blogger hewhofuckscouchs February 04, 2017 8:58 AM  

It occurs to me that one of the first things Che Guevara did in Cuba was burn the records of the Anticommunist League. Clearly they don't like being identified. I like it.

Blogger Abyssus Invocat February 04, 2017 9:00 AM  

To which I would add that if, as is likely, YOU and not the shitbag is the one questioned by the police, say absolutely nothing without legal counsel. If you forget or feel like you have to say something when asked why you broke the shitbag's ankle, keep repeating "I feared for my life & the lives of my friends.". That's it...not one fucking word more until you talk to a lawyer.

Blogger VD February 04, 2017 9:01 AM  

Why? Neutralize them, zip-tie them, then what? Hold for vaunted first-responder police, who happen to be barricaded inside the building?

Exactly. Beating on them would be criminal. Defending yourself from their attack and incapacitating them is not.

Give up the posturing. It impresses no one.

Anonymous EH February 04, 2017 9:02 AM  

Everyone's got a plan until they get pepper-sprayed in the face. Swim goggles are a life-saver. A paper filter-mask is great, too. If you are caught in a cloud of tear gas or pepper spray in an area with street bonfires, the updraft from the fires rapidly removes the aerosol. (That's a big part of why they set the fires.) Get near a fire, facing away from the fire on whichever side has the least aerosol. If you aren't trapped in the area, GTFO.

Blogger VD February 04, 2017 9:03 AM  

Once you have them zip-tied, break their hands and feet, elbows and knees, and rupture their testicles, thereby incapacitating them for future violence.

Don't be a moron. You've clearly never hit anyone in your life. You gammas never fool anyone so why do you even bother trying?

Blogger MrPaules February 04, 2017 9:06 AM  

Street rugby: the objective is to carry your opponent across the goal line!

Blogger Wanda Sherratt February 04, 2017 9:06 AM  

"Lord, not the hornet spray suggestion. It is not designed for self-defense and is regulated to death on uses other than killing hornets."

But Mr. Plinkett swears by Raid for killing hookers trapped in a basement crawlspace. He says it takes about 2 cans.

Anonymous PinochetsChopperPilot February 04, 2017 9:10 AM  

You give me an extended arm, I'll give you a drop Seoi Nage. The concrete will do the rest.

Blogger Dirtnapninja February 04, 2017 9:13 AM  

Another option is for designated guardians to carry spray bottles filled with a persistant and non toxic dye, and use them to mark people who try and hit and run.

Blogger ZhukovG February 04, 2017 9:26 AM  

If your tactical knowledge was gleaned while playing Dungeons & Dragons please refrain from offering helpful suggestions.

My own knowledge and experience requires at least a small unit of trained individuals, so I shall likewise refrain.

I will note however as a former military person and former 'officear of they lou'(Peter Sellers RIP) tell you that a policeman's primary goal is ending his shift with a clean uniform. Take that for what it is worth.

Anonymous dog bytes February 04, 2017 9:29 AM  

Very easy to find out who these people are - they self-identify. For example, see the followers of the Berkeley Antifa twitter feed - https://twitter.com/berkeleyantifa/followers

Plenty of personality disorders on show amongst the followers, and the stink of satanism about the whole thing.

Blogger Salt February 04, 2017 9:31 AM  

VD wrote:Exactly. Beating on them would be criminal. Defending yourself from their attack and incapacitating them is not.

Give up the posturing. It impresses no one.


This is mob violence, Vox, not some random solo encounter. Hold for police? The one held is the one defenseless on the ground. Better have good reason, and good evidence, to have them. It's been noted, many times in threads here, that the police are just as likely to arrest the one(s) holding the person.

It isn't posturing, Vox. The Berkley riot was a rather safe-space for the violent rioters, wasn't it?

Anonymous Eduardo February 04, 2017 9:34 AM  

@1
Actually you can carry a cane no? There is a martial arts made just for such tool, invented in the 19th century in France called Canne de Combat.

@21
What if... it was a phalanx with sticks? Would that be still legal?

@33
Seeing her red face, made me wonder if anyone can actually train to be pepper sprayed, I know that tasers can be beat, there are videos of people who barely flinch by being tased, so I am wondering can you get used to that? or is it a complete incapacitation tool?

@34
Come on, Vox! We need to vent our useless hate somehow, so why not just live inside our fantasy world inside our heads! Where we fix all things!

@37
I thought you were gonna given them a Helicopter ride XD.

@38
They already do this in some countries. I think they even initially used paintball.

Blogger VD February 04, 2017 9:35 AM  

Better have good reason, and good evidence, to have them.

You do. They are rioters, identified by citizen police, and in possession of pepper spray as well as who knows what else.

It isn't posturing, Vox.

Yes, it is. More than that, it is clueless posturing. Public events are neither the time nor the place to utilize more serious measures. Read 4GW Handbook, FFS.

Anonymous acushla February 04, 2017 9:36 AM  

"If you forget or feel like you have to say something when asked why you broke the shitbag's ankle, keep repeating "I feared for my life & the lives of my friends.". That's it...not one fucking word more until you talk to a lawyer."

No. What you say is...

[OPERATIC BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY VOICE]

No, no, no, no! No, no, NO!!

Under any circumstances. Do NOT talk to a cop, EVER, except to say you will co-operate fully, once you have got an attorney with you. NOT. ONE. PEEP. MORE. EVER.

signed,
Somebody who is completely pig-ignorant about this stuff

Blogger VD February 04, 2017 9:38 AM  

If your tactical knowledge was gleaned while playing Dungeons & Dragons please refrain from offering helpful suggestions.

Exactly. If you've never personally incapacitated someone at least once, then shut the fuck up. You know nothing and you have nothing useful to add. Hand-to-hand combat does not work the way anyone imagines it does, or the way it is shown on TV.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 04, 2017 9:43 AM  

Seeing her red face, made me wonder if anyone can actually train to be pepper sprayed, I know that tasers can be beat, there are videos of people who barely flinch by being tased, so I am wondering can you get used to that? or is it a complete incapacitation tool?

I've never been pepper sprayed but I've been to the gas chamber enough times for annual NBC qual.

I assure you no one ever got used to that. You might come to view it as the price of doing business but you can't get used to it.

Blogger Melampus the Seer February 04, 2017 9:46 AM  

Everyone has their own thing, but having been in melees rather than duels, some of them with Antifa in the U.K. and Germany, I have a somewhat different perspective.

The assumptions of most martial arts are single combat unarmed. Most melees are neither.

In a melee, if you go to the ground you're going to get destroyed. There's always someone close enough to stomp or kick you. You can't take it. I've seen huge Sambo wrestlers get their leg stomped and they're out. So doing a drop seoinage and the like is asking for a boot to the chin. And doing sweeps, or any thing that takes your own feet off the ground is dangerous. There is constant pushing and sudden overpowering movements of the crowd. There's a reason combat wrestling in the ancient world and all folk wrestling today emphasize the standing suplex and the like. Your feet stay rooted on the ground.

The best weapon is a flag attached to a 1 to 1 and half inch oak dowel about the length of your arm. It's long enough to give protection and use at distance, and in close quarters in a scrum, you can hold it like a bayonet and do some real damage.

Wear boots. Antifa do running attacks, and they try to stomp your ankles and feet when they do it. Plus it's another legal weapon.

My two cents.

Blogger ant becker February 04, 2017 9:48 AM  

Football hooligans would have these cunts on their toes and no mistake.

CRC http://thefirms.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/everton.jpg

Anonymous Eduardo February 04, 2017 9:53 AM  

@46 Castaline

Yeah, but NBC involves more violent molecules. Well it might really not be possible, you can't really train the cells to get less irritated.
Unless getting irritated all the time forces the body to adapt just like being kicked in the balls for years.

So what gas they used? Chlorine? CS gas? Fluor?
Remember breathing a little bit of Clorine and ended up having this horrible burning sensation in my nostrils XD. Chemistry class...

+++++=====+++++

When Molyneux talks about his heart pounding while watching the video, my mind just goes: "What? Why? Nothing is going here really."

Then I realise that I live in a violent country... and I watch Liveleaks way too much.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 04, 2017 10:01 AM  

Wear boots.

Good thinking. Its about the best suggestion I've seen here this morning.

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 04, 2017 10:05 AM  

I have been studying their tactics and can offer some additional words to this. I even had a martial arts class run some tests. The instructor was near and dear to the idea because his son was at the Milo event at UW.

What we observed is they use a hyena pack tactic where they attempt to draw individuals out from the crowd, as such it tends to end up with antifa and the people they are targeting in a cluster. The usual method is stealing a hat - in particular a red MAGA hat. Naturally the reflex action to having your hat snatched off is to attempt to grab it back, and they do dangle it to entice the target. While this is happening, a pack of them ranging from 4 to 7 will emerge from likewise dressed "non-combatant" antifa or allies, swarm the individual with punches, or kicks if the target goes down, for what appears to be anywhere from 5 to 10 seconds, and then break off and rush behind their lines and merge back in.

This tactic takes some considerable timing. Sometimes there will be a "director" of sorts, like a sergeant, whose location and movements will help the emerging hyena pack locate their target. This director will guide the hat/sign snatcher and the hyena pack will watch the director.

If you note the UW shooting footage, the guy who got shot, who is confirmed one of those "IWW wobbly" types -people who get into these labor or teamster unions with more than just worker advocacy in mind- was the director. Unfortunately for him he selected the wrong target that night. Notably he was not masked and a taller fellow -read: easy to spot-. You will also note his charging movements if you review that now famous video.

As for what we found in the martial arts school running tests, it's not an easy tactic to counter. But it does depend on one thing: it depends on the target being in the middle of the scrum. It's the eye of the storm. They will launch their attacks wildly to the center of that. As the old saying goes, the best way to avoid a massacre is not to be there when it happens. But here are ways to mitigate the effect of this form of attack:


1. Do not be in the center but rather "stick" one of them. Either hug that person or if you go down, take one with you and attempt to use that person as your shield. The communists are not to keen to go bashing on one of their comrades. For effect, if you can, yank the mask off the one you stick or take down with you. Means of "sticking" to an attacker could be "drunken monkey", a wrestling hold, or a "return with strike" -as if sticking to a fist that hits you- that you might see in systema.
2. Staying out of the center is important and reiterated here. But in addition, another means is "high agility". Their circle seldom starts fully closed at a wider radius. Thus with a an awareness of their positions, you can keep track of what end of the scrum will be open for your escape. You can then turn the tables by following the baiter only long enough for them to emerge, and then there are things you can do that are up to you,ranging from outflanking their circle -time it well enough and get them on the close- and counterattack with mask removals and/or your own mace if applicable.
3. If you are using confederates, the bait approach would be one method that does not preclude escaping the scrum, but rather acting as a decoy for the counterattack. This is not merely being a "meat tank" -padding under your clothes would certainly be helpful- but timing your retreat well enough that they emerge for an attack but get that "chase reflex" going as you reverse course to draw them off their allies and closer to YOUR team. Let the mask-removals commence! Remember as it turns out, a good lot of them may be working in municipal jobs, university jobs, NGOs, etc. Being identified is to them like a bright kitchen light to a roach.


Blogger EasyCompany February 04, 2017 10:05 AM  

I recall most vids showing punches to the heads, hair being sent on fire, and pepper spray to the face.

Why didn't they wear something to protect their heads and face?

And unless their BA had steel plates, I don't see that helping all that much.

Anonymous da shyr February 04, 2017 10:08 AM  

Vox you still practice?

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein February 04, 2017 10:12 AM  

da shyr wrote:Vox you still practice?

Barbery?

Anonymous Raptor disrespect from behind February 04, 2017 10:12 AM  

Flags mounted to a pole aren't bad. You can also carry a magazine (the reading kind), roll it up and fold it over. While sap style gloves are illegal, you can consider motorcycle gloves, since they have reinforced knuckles. Motorcycle jackets have a decent amount of armor now too, but you will look out of place.

Of course without training, you aren't going to be able to do much. Keep in mind that most martial arts are basically set up for 1v1 dueling, not brawling. Nor do they really focus much on mindsets and awareness skills that need to be built up either.

Anonymous kennymac February 04, 2017 10:14 AM  

I have one of those unbreakable umbrellas that Cataline mentioned. I highly recommend them. It feels like you're holding a solid club in your hand. Theyre a bit pricey for an umbrella but it won't attract any attention and you can really beat the snot out of someone with it if you run into any antifaGGOTs

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 04, 2017 10:16 AM  

@49

It was CS.

The effects are blurred vision from the tears pouring down your face. Burning sensation in your entire sinus cavity. Then there is the Constant and unsuppressible coughing. Least problematic is that your hands can get slippery from the fountain of mucus pouring out of your head.

However, as I've said, I've never been pepper sprayed.

Blogger bosscauser February 04, 2017 10:19 AM  

Gun free zones are a no no...

#PresidentTrump2020

Anonymous Bill February 04, 2017 10:19 AM  

Best defense against pepper spray is the one the gang bangers use. Wear a baseball cap (MAGA hats work fine), as soon as you see the arm extended towards you, drop your head so the top of the hat and bill catch the discharge, not your face). Close range quickly, with your head still down, get control of the arm holding the spray, do the logical.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft February 04, 2017 10:24 AM  

@42. Eduardo, as someone who has been pepper sprayed before as part of military training, I can tell you that some (maybe two or three in a hundred) people are just straight up immune to pepper spray for some weird reason. It literally has no effect, kind of like people who are apparently non-responsive to bee and/or wasp venom. I had one of those guys in my class, it was hilarious because he was the one everyone thought was going to be the biggest wuss, while his buddy was putting a brave face on it, then the wuss was immune and his buddy was the biggest wuss.

For everyone else (me for example) though, while it hurts a heck of a lot and will burn for days, you CAN still react somewhat through it and force your eyes open momentarily, but it's still going to be a major hindrance to you (even if you have a very high pain tolerance) between unbelievable eye watering, nose running, and generally burning lungs and trouble breathing if you made the typical reflex-mistake of inhaling in surprise. Reddened irritable skin and "reflashes" (when wetted) are pretty typical of being sprayed though. Heck, even CS gas (tear gas) actually reddened my skin in some places, oddly enough (even though it's weaksauce compared to capsicum-based spray).

As far as I know no one is immune to the CS gas though.

As far as martial techniques, I would NOT recommend sweeping kicks, except perhaps if you really, really, really know what you're doing. Boxing-style attacks combined with possible forward kicks (really a lot like stomps) or side stomps where possible are probably your best bets in a mob-style scenario if you wind up in one without a melee weapon.

Pretty much everyone can (try to) defend their head with their arms, and pretty much everyone can at least throw some sort of punch, even if it isn't fantastic. Forward kicks and side stomps though, pretty much everyone can do those passably once they've tried, even a small girl can stomp pretty darn hard.

Anonymous Bill February 04, 2017 10:25 AM  

A friend also suggested whenever you are in a volatile crowd and you have to engage with someone physically, and you think he/she has friends that might rat-pack you, yell at the top of your lungs 'HE HAS A GUN!" as you start hitting. (You might even want to try yelling "THIS NAZI HAS A GUN!" to confuse onlookers and slow them down.) Those uncommitted t0 violence will usually scream, and start running, which may give you cover to un-ass the area. You may even confuse fellow travelers for your target enough that they will join in on the beat down. It may also attract police to the area. Be prepared to say he was reaching for a gun in his waistband, it fell out, one of the other blackshirts has it and is in the crowd now, etc. Emphasize that you were in fear for your life.

Anonymous Opus February 04, 2017 10:31 AM  

What appalls me about the riot - and I cannot recall reading anyone else observing this - is that Milo is a British subject; thus he is a guest in your country. As such he should be treated with courtesy and kindness. Should he break your laws then a termination of whatever Visa he has and expulsion would be entirely appropriate. That however is a matter for the State and not the Mob/Academia or the woefully inadequate police.

It is said of Milo that he is prone to Homosexuality and that he is a Jew. From what I have read he regrets his homosexual weakness and is Roman Catholic and thus not a memeber of the tribe. FWIW I always sense that his campness is an act.

Perhaps I have been influenced by Stefan - but I am wondering if we are witnessing the beginning of the end of your Republic.

Anonymous FP February 04, 2017 10:32 AM  

Well, there goes Robert Reich's theory it was a Milo funded false flag.

http://theralphretort.com/uc-berkeley-rioter-exposed-works-university-203017/

Anonymous Jed Ekert February 04, 2017 10:34 AM  

Wanted: Altright litigators.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft February 04, 2017 10:35 AM  

@49. Appreciable amounts of chlorine or fluorine gasses will kill you quite nicely, or at the very least cause irreparable lung damage, not to mention blindness and other soft-tissue annihilation. The police wouldn't use that.

@50. Yes, wearing nice steel-toed boots is pretty much priceless. Not only does it protect your feet from most melee weapons and things like the aforementioned caltrop shenannigans, but it also makes your stomps and kicks potentially lethal. If you've got boots, go for the knees.

Beyond that, some manner of goggles would be pretty much invaluable, as would be a helmet or heavily padded cap (those skater-beanines made out of reactive material would be pretty much ideal because they don't stick out as much as a helmet).

Anonymous Be Deplorable, Not Afraid February 04, 2017 10:38 AM  

Been thinking a lot more about this. There's a meta here. Not all thoughts are mine, I've read things at WRSA/etc.

1) Son has a friend who goes to Berserkley. Friend says the violence was not done primarily by students. Says most students there are shocked and ashamed at the violence.

2) I'm going to use "blackshirts," analogous to "brownshirts" to talk about the nasty ones. (I think "black brigades" is being used also.) The "blackshirts," these anarchist-types, are learning. They've gone from OWS to this, and they're learning and practicing tactics. They organize quickly, they show up in force, they're willing to use violence. They know they will not be hindered by authorities.

3) The police do nothing to stop them. From where do the "stand-down" orders come? Do they come before the event, or during? Is it merely tacit cooperation, or implicit coordination between the blackshirts and Democrat government officials? I'm taking the silence by Dem politicians as evidence of at least implicit support. (Does anybody think that police would NOT crush a bunch of people in MAGA T-shirts who became violent and tried to stop some liberal event? And does anybody doubt half the GOPe would strangle the other half to be the first to the microphones to denounce the riot?)

4) Since there's clearly organization among the blackshirts, is there anybody in charge? Are they organized in cells, or is it a flatter org chart? I assume their comms are primarily online. Is anybody trying to trace these back to the leaders?

5) For anybody with the historical knowledge- how does this to compare this to, say, the activities of the brownshirts, or the thugs in pre-revolutionary Russia? Is it the same model? Can we figure out what to expect next? The Dark Lord has discussed tactics, but is there a way to deal with this on the strategic level?

Blogger Benjamin Kraft February 04, 2017 10:39 AM  

@62. Opus. Oh, it's definitely ending. Whether it will devolve into a dictatorship, imperium, or split into a smaller republic alongside a third world cesspool, I don't know.

Anonymous Bob February 04, 2017 10:48 AM  

Off topic:

I watch Darkstream on a PC and until recently, I could see the little bubbling hearts(what do they represent") and the comments scrolling by. Now they are gone and I have no idea why. Any suggestions?

Anonymous Eduardo February 04, 2017 10:48 AM  

@57 Castaline

Apparently someone somewhere has given a recipe to make pepper spray. wonder if it works. LINK

I had no idea that so much liquid would come out, I guess the CS gas we use here is less concentrated or uses some other type of molecule, or maybe they are just scary loud bombs with smoke in them.

Well Castaline, maybe the time has come for us to find a fool (that is not me) so we can pepper spray him or her... or it.

Now, I did once rubbed unwantedly peper in my eyes. Tabasco sauce is great in food and horrible in the eyes. My eye got all red and I had blurred vision and pain. Made that one time where I threw, unwantedly, lemon in my eyes in a restaurant.

@60 Benjamin

I love when those unexpected things occur.

CS use a formula that has this Nytrogen and Chlorine in a ring. That must stick like tar to cells, because most if not all our hormones has similar rings. It, the carbon/nitrogen ring, must create some extra bonding I assume.

Talking about mob fights, CQB manuals, which sort of applies here, says that you MUST ALWAYS stay on your feet and distribute punches and kicks to all assailants around you, each move has to be strong and must target painful areas. easier said than done of course. I never been into a REAL fight so I have no idea what it is like to face one, let alone multiple opponents, but apprently you must maintain a good base at all times so nobody will bring you down and you would end up like Katrina's husband: In the ground getting beat from all sides.

Well it sucks to know that, I am definetaly not imune, even my barbecue's carbon releases stops me from opening my eyes.

Blogger FUCK GOOGLE February 04, 2017 10:48 AM  

Another good option for an improvised weapon are flashlights. There are flashlights made that are nice and sturdy, with good heft - just in case you need to slug someone.

In strategic terms, we should really try to go after the Dean and/or Mayors in these areas where the protests take place. If the college security or police don't have the support of the Dean/Mayor they report to, they're not going to risk their career or a lawsuit cracking down on rioters. If we start making examples out of the leaders that are supporting the rioters by not ordering the police or security to do their jobs and stop them, even Mayors/Deans in leftist havens will think twice about giving these rioters "space to destroy".

Anonymous Eduardo February 04, 2017 10:52 AM  

@67

We will happily welcome you guys into Dindudome America XD. Not that I would want that for you, but hey, at least know you are not alone.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown February 04, 2017 10:53 AM  

@66 The term you're looking for is "black bloc" anarchists. They call themselves this. So does (extremely frustrated) law enforcement.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer February 04, 2017 10:56 AM  

Be Deplorable, Not Afraid wrote:Defense options are likely to be limited for those wishing to actually get admitted. I don't think blackjacks, asps, etc. would pass muster if there are metal detectors and such being used.

That's where I would encourage anyone that has a group of friends that are trained near a Milo event to organize and show up specifically planning not to attend the actual event. Instead plan on helping other people who are planning on attending the event with both medical aide and protection. This will give you more flexibility on what you can bring.

The allure of the black block will significantly decrease with only a couple instances of them suffering serious physical injury for initiating violence.

Anonymous Casey February 04, 2017 10:58 AM  

All of this information is very good. But in any event, if the violence of antifa ever invades the heartland areas many of those people will be getting shot.

There's a reason why so many firearm manufacturers are offering so many variants of small, pocket sized .380 autoloading pistols.

They sell--and effectively they're identical to those .36 Navy Colts that many chose to carry in days gone by.

The Negroes in the heartland understand this and choose their victims very carefully because of it.

Blogger VD February 04, 2017 11:00 AM  

If your tactical knowledge was gleaned while playing Dungeons & Dragons please refrain from offering helpful suggestions.

Exactly. If you've never personally incapacitated someone at least once, then shut the fuck up. You know nothing and you have nothing useful to add. Hand-to-hand combat does not work the way anyone imagines it does, or the way it is shown on TV.

Blogger owlish February 04, 2017 11:02 AM  

Benjamin Kraft wrote:@49.

@50. Yes, wearing nice steel-toed boots is pretty much priceless. Not only does it protect your feet from most melee weapons and things like the aforementioned caltrop shenannigans, but it also makes your stomps and kicks potentially lethal. If you've got boots, go for the knees.


Good advice, except wearing steel-toed boots may turn it into "deadly weapon." Depends on the state.

Blogger Derrick Ruiz February 04, 2017 11:02 AM  

Why the hell would you be in the vicinity of a crowd like this. Walk away. Dont bethere

Blogger Benjamin Kraft February 04, 2017 11:02 AM  

@69. Actually, no, it (CS gas) absolutely doesn't stick like tar to cells. Conversely, you'll be basically over CS application within 2-5 minutes of leaving the area it's being used in. Capsicum (pepper) based sprays on the other hand, will give you the same effects of CS gas except even stronger and for hours to upwards of a week for certain symptoms.

Fortunately, being immune to capsicum has pretty much nothing to do with being "tough" versus other gases, as far as I can tell.

Blogger Dirtnapninja February 04, 2017 11:03 AM  

Interesting pics from Kiev.

https://www.rt.com/news/war-gear-ukraine-riot-084/

Anonymous Eduardo February 04, 2017 11:05 AM  

@77 Derrick

You never derrick, you could be in a Bank. Flash, totally spontaneous mob invades bank and you didn't see it coming for whatever reason. They are out for blood and you are wearing a MAGA hat, A rebel flag tank-top, a Pepe cargo-shorts and non-matching socks. You are asking for a fight.

Blogger pyrrhus February 04, 2017 11:06 AM  

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/02/02/exclusive-mma-fighter-jake-shields-saved-man-berkeley-violent-rioters/

Blogger pyrrhus February 04, 2017 11:07 AM  

Both Gl**k and R*ger have very small carry items you can stick in your pocket..

Anonymous JI February 04, 2017 11:07 AM  

Set up traps for the bastards. For example, at an AltRight event, have portable fences that are moved into position once the violence starts, thereby slowing the departure of the lefties from the area. Have people video/photograph them so they can later be tracked down and brought to justice.

Anonymous Casey February 04, 2017 11:12 AM  

The antifa crowd really doesn't want to deal with counter violence. 200 of them stormed a group of 30 Nationalists in Sacramento last summer and after 8 or 9 of them got stabbed for their efforts, they broke it off.

Blogger Lazarus February 04, 2017 11:13 AM  

@63 FP

Your link adds more info to the data from 8chan

https://8ch.net/pol/res/9111463.html

Blogger Dave February 04, 2017 11:13 AM  

Funny it didn't end after any of these riots:

>LA Riots, 1992: $1.268 billion
>The Los Angeles Watts Riots, 1965: $321 million
>Newark Riots, 1967: $103 million
>New York City Blackout of 1977: $106 million



Anonymous eddie February 04, 2017 11:14 AM  

Walking sticks and even canes aren't a good choice for several reasons:

Firstly, they're gonna make you a target; everyone can see the guy with the five foot stick. Secondly, if it comes down to legal proceedings, nobody's gonna buy the "oh, it's just my walking stick" line. Unless you're in the regular habit of walking around with one in everyday life, you obviously brought it to this event to be usable as a weapon. Ditto, mostly, with the umbrella gag. Thirdly: combining 1 and 2, if the cops see you with a something easily usable as a weapon, good chance they're going to seek to take it.

Retractable batons are legal in many states. Even when not they are easily hideable (and re-hideable after use). If caught, you're busted, but depending on the laws in your state and your priors, it might be worth it to risk a year's probabation to defend yourself.

Boots are an excellent idea.

Anonymous Eduardo February 04, 2017 11:16 AM  

@78

Well maybe its effect runs... oh whatever XD I don't know what happens exactly. Let me see what happens to the cells somewhere here in the dark recesses of the internet, in a PDF file

*goes searching*

*Finds something*

"When CS comes into contact with body fluids, it is quickly broken down. CS reacts very rapidly with plasma proteins and more slowly with water. CS is also metabolized in the organism. In toxicology, metabolization refers to the enzymatic transformation of xenobiotics (foreign substances), resulting in
products that may be less toxic than the parent compound [this is the case for the CS metabolites except hydrogen cyanide (HCN)] or more toxic than the parent compound. CS is metabolized to o-chlorobenzyl malononitrile (CSH2), o-chlorobenzaldehyde, o-chlorohippuric acid, and thiocyanate. Presence of
these metabolites in the body is a strong indicator of CS exposure. Compared to CS, CSH2 showed 60 % reduced toxicity and about 15-fold lower irritancy. Metabolites like CSH2 were also found after inhalation exposure and not only after intravenous, intraperitoneal or intragastric application of CS. Ochlorobenzaldehyde is further metabolized to o-chlorobenzoic acid. The major metabolite detectable in the rat is o-chlorohippuric acid. The less toxic thiocyanate is formed from cyanide derived from malononitrile. Thiocyanate was found in urine of exposed animals and man, also after inhalation exposure. CS also reacts quite rapidly with sulfhydryl groups (-SH),
in cysteine, glutathione and in this way, enzymes in the body containing -SH groups may be inhibited. Also, lipoic acid, important for the metabolism of the surface active agent (surfactant) covering the alveoli, reacts rapidly with CS. The half-life of CS and CSH2 in blood is 5.5 and 9 seconds respectively, meaning that the time available to exert harmful systemic effects if rather short."

Basically Benjamin, Castaline piss at this point must be deadly.

Anonymous CDG February 04, 2017 11:22 AM  

I hear individual tactics vs. small unit tactics in these discussions. Anti-antifa people for the most part are not acting as part of a larger organization at these demonstrations. They show up to "support" the speaker or voice their own opinion which is great as individuals or loosely associated groups.

The antifa actors are there as a unit. Their purpose is to cause damage and injury. They have small unit training and have leadership. If you want to break the antifa at the demonstration, there must be anti-antifa small units looking to disrupt their command and control at the event. An individual walking into an ambush kill zone will almost always lose no matter how good their individual tactics, techniques, or weaponry are. Your best option is to avoid getting into the ambush zone (stay away from the demonstration) or be there to act as a counter ambush force which would require coordination on the right that I haven't seen yet.

But to adopt a popular meme, if you want death squads, this is how you get death squads.

Anonymous Eduardo February 04, 2017 11:28 AM  

@87 Eddie

Well, you can just pretend to limping at all times... then you use your retractable cane to turn into a sarissa, FORM THE PHALANX! As you wait for the orders to... oh okay I stopped. Well the retractable baton looks good, I actualy have a real police, modern black batton in the garage. Was a gift.

Maybe if you mix the cane with some Michael. No wait that only creates My Cocaine, and we would end up arrested.

=========

For reals, you evily erased my CS information? Come on it explained well why you don't feel CS effects after some time! It even had a joke about Castaline's piss being deadly because of all the toxic material still in his body.

U____U you people are too strict.


Blogger Escoffier February 04, 2017 11:32 AM  

When we did our illegal immigration blog we were located in Chicago and waded into events like this on the order of twenty times.

My first suggestion is don't go if at all possible. If they have the numbers they have the advantage. If you find yourself caught up in a melee here are some of my observations.

First and most importantly do not run. You can see from the video they react like pack animals and swarm.

Second never turn your back on them, always be facing them. You'll note how often the attack comes from behind. You can't always control it but if you can always face them.

During the one time they tried to seriously injure us there were three of us and we were a big forty year old guy (me), my petite Wife and an eighty year old Navy Vet. We were facing about twenty of them. They attacked us, surrounded us and pounded on us but we each (with the exception of my Wife) remained standing and the injuries were minor. Though they smashed our equipment.

Related interesting story. A J school student from Medill was there and got pictures of the whole thing. The one that made me seriously consider hunting these animals down was picture of the eight fucking animals surrounding the eighty year old vet and wailing on him his thin arm sticking out the top of the scrum faded Navy tats visible. Her teachers deemed the story 'not newsworthy. I shit you negative.

Same story after the attack the Police finally showed up, had to be forcibly prodded into making any arrests whatsoever, the scumbags received the best lawyers Soros could afford and managed to force us to go to court five times and ultimately we received a nice lecture from the Judge about trying to, and I quote here, "shut down their free speech."

My only observation is we on the Right need to stop treating this like a game. The communists have always been out for blood and we should either deny them the opportunity to draw it or think of creative ways to make them pay for even thinking of it.

Anonymous Muskaos February 04, 2017 11:33 AM  

I highly suggest everyone stop with the verbal diarrhea, it can be virtually guaranteed that our opposition is reading this blog, and all the comments. Talk to your friends in meatspace, or in controlled environments online where you know no-one else is listening, but do not strategize here.

Also, read this:
https://www.oathkeepers.org/navyjack-operation-hypo-action-report/
The commies (they are commies, no matter what they call themselves) have over a decade of practice at this, at a minimum. If you are not dead serious about countering them, they will have your lunch.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer February 04, 2017 11:34 AM  

CDG wrote:I hear individual tactics vs. small unit tactics in these discussions. Anti-antifa people for the most part are not acting as part of a larger organization at these demonstrations. They show up to "support" the speaker or voice their own opinion which is great as individuals or loosely associated groups.

The antifa actors are there as a unit. Their purpose is to cause damage and injury. They have small unit training and have leadership. If you want to break the antifa at the demonstration, there must be anti-antifa small units looking to disrupt their command and control at the event. An individual walking into an ambush kill zone will almost always lose no matter how good their individual tactics, techniques, or weaponry are. Your best option is to avoid getting into the ambush zone (stay away from the demonstration) or be there to act as a counter ambush force which would require coordination on the right that I haven't seen yet.

But to adopt a popular meme, if you want death squads, this is how you get death squads.


The other risky option is to use their strengths (anonymity and the block) against them. If a group of 7-15 friends can find out about their organizing meetings leading up to the event you could infiltrate their block. They use the center of the block to mask their identity and for safety. If 7 people at the center of the block start punching the retreating sucker punchers it will throw their tactics into chaos. Especially since they won't be able to identify the "good anti-fas" from the bad.

Doing so is high risk if you are in an area that is likely to actually arrest the rioters. If you are in Berkley your odds of arrest are nill.

Anonymous Lawyer Guy February 04, 2017 11:43 AM  

If this was a role playing game instead of real life this would get concealed in a Big Gulp cup and thrown into the bloc.

https://www.safariland.com/products/less-lethal/chemical-agent-devices/chemical-grenades/pyrotechnic/riot-control/riot-control-continuous-discharge-grenade-cs-1011574.html

However, since this is real life I will trust in the police, courts, and media to stop the violence, instead.

Blogger rondolf February 04, 2017 11:46 AM  

"It occurs to me that as they rely upon anonymity, an Antifa List should be added to the SJW List so that everyone knows exactly who these people are." I realize that TRS is considered part of the alt-retard, but they have already started compiling names of antifa, so maybe there can be some collaboration between them and the VFM.

Anonymous EH February 04, 2017 11:49 AM  

If you get knocked down, your only priority should be getting up and away. Your ribs and kidneys are about to encounter fast-moving steel-toed boots which will hurt as much as getting kicked in the balls, and will not stop hurting for quite a while (if you survive - a kick to the head on the ground can easily be fatal.) That said, the best position on the ground is on your back in the fetal position with your arms protecting your head. If you can't get up, don't go limp, try to take/ deflect the blows with your feet, or failing that, on muscles. Grab a leg if you can, and start grappling, there will be a lot fewer angles from which you can get kicked. This is the time to break out your dirtiest moves - biting, eye gouging, finger breaking, the nut squeeze if they were dumb enough not to wear a protector. Go berserk, there is a time for calm and this isn't it. But again, if you're on the ground, especially if you're outnumbered, you will quite likely be permanently injured if not killed - GET AWAY.

Anonymous Quisp February 04, 2017 11:51 AM  

If, as has been published on line, one of the attackers was a university employee, the university should be liable for any damage suffered by individuals. Sue the crap out of them.

Blogger Koanic February 04, 2017 11:51 AM  

Why not avoid state-sponsored riots, and let the people who don't yet grasp reality have it beaten into them while they turn the other cheek on camera?

Blogger VD February 04, 2017 11:54 AM  

If you want to break the antifa at the demonstration, there must be anti-antifa small units looking to disrupt their command and control at the event.

Obviously. That's why I suggested groups of 20.

However, since this is real life I will trust in the police, courts, and media to stop the violence, instead.

I, too, have the utmost trust in the police, the courts, and the media....

Blogger pyrrhus February 04, 2017 11:58 AM  

@90@96 Yes, in any blue area, the courts and law enforcement are going to be rigged against you. Stay away unless you are going to be present in force with capable people....

Anonymous Deplorable Winning February 04, 2017 11:59 AM  

Very well done interview from Molyneux, riveting. The woman is an impressive witness. Her husband suffered broken ribs through his Kevlar vest and is still in the hospital. Sounds like the Berkeley cops are going to be spending a lot of time in court.

> Cops order to disperse issued once (5:30 PM?), then never repeated. The woman and her friends arrived after that.
> No attempt at crowd control.
> Cops retreat inside the building and lock the doors.
> Would not let this woman in for her safety and needed medical attention. (This is the single most damning indictment of the cops, imo.)
> Cops had foreknowledge of planned Antifa action, which was advertised on FB, etc.

Blogger pyrrhus February 04, 2017 11:59 AM  

"I, too, have the utmost trust in the police, the courts, and the media...."
Of course, we all have the same faith in the system...

Blogger Thurston Pilgrim February 04, 2017 12:00 PM  

I'm assuming the video begins after the husband has been taken out. This is the first step in the failure of their protection. Just as in the movie "Funny Games" the man is neutralized first, and then all hell breaks out. There seem to be too many replaying videos of men being floored. They will sucker punch when they get in range. It is ill advised to insert two or three of yourselves among dozens of the berserkers.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 04, 2017 12:01 PM  

No, don't carry a walking stick unless you're 70 or older. At least in my state, if it can be used as an impact weapon you will be treated as it being an impact weapon. Your best bet MIGHT be the unbreakable umbrella. My preference is to watch it all on youtube.

Blogger The Kurgan February 04, 2017 12:01 PM  

I think it's idiotic to go to one of these things without expecting that violence may well engulf you.

So if you go, be prepared. The old saying that the best defence is a good offence has a lot of truth to it.
Obviously it depends on your body type, temperament etc. In the circles I hang with, that female pepper sprayer would have gone down instantly with a broken nose and possibly some loose teeth from a direct and fast punch.

These guys are organised in their "chaotic" attacks and I would certainly LOVE to be part of a group of ten or so (two squads of 4-5) that mix in with the crowd with the specific intent of counter-offensives.

Watch. Wait. Pick one of them, then storm the castle and that one guy you picked gets wrecked. Dress like normal civilians so they can't pick you out and always have 3-4 hang-back lookouts.

It would be the most effective way to see to it the antifas either disappear because they realise at each rally one or two of their guys gets put out of action for a few months, or they'd escalate, which will legitimise government force on them.

PS: The flail/belt idea is horrible Vox. Impractical, ineffective and you'll likely lose your keys too. There are,however, plenty of utterly innocuous objects that can turn seriously nasty with only a little imagination.

Anonymous Teapartydoc February 04, 2017 12:02 PM  

I used to get into a lot of fights when I was young and ended up doing a bit of reading and practicing judo and Karate techniques as well as practical self defense. The transformation came when weightlifting was added. I haven't punched anyone in forty years but the last time I lost it and did, the guy had a seizure shit his pants and spent the night in the hospital, and he was a friend.
A ton of good thoughts here. I would buy loose clothes and armor up underneath with hard vest and knee pads or duct tape around the joints, but not too tight. One cheap way to armor up around the torso would be to cut the sleeves off of something or get a denim vest and duct tape it, again, not too tight and put a loose shirt, preferably one that will tear off easily, over it. Plastic skull cap under the MAGA hat. With loose clothing it is easy to conceal a dowel rod under the pants about 2 1/2 to three feet long. No need for a flag. You can either take it in with you or dispose of it before going into the meeting. Most of the thugs are there to prevent the meeting and will not be there after. If they change this, keep it with you, it will go through metal detector. Again, just duct tape it to the leg enough so it is easy to get off.
I would put a little tape on the elbows too, but use bandage tape. If you use a vest you can duct tape the shoulders.
I like what one guy says regarding situational awareness and group tactics. When you watch the tapes of these people in action you can see that they have rehearsed what they do ahead of time.
The Sons of Liberty practiced group movements in the Revolutionary era. This needs to be done again by our side. The expressed purpose of the meeting need never be discussed on the net or over the phone. Meet for another reason and set up a time to work on this at another time. You WILL be infiltrated, so keep all discussion of tactics defensive and the emphasis should be on preserving the right to speak. Anyone who talks about reprisal should be expelled from your group immediately. Anyone who talks about being confrontational should be expelled immediately. Anyone who volunteers for more than one task should be expelled, or at least watched very closely. Anyone who seems to have too much free time as well. They are either good for nothing or being paid.

Blogger Koanic February 04, 2017 12:09 PM  

If you want to disrupt their command and control, the riot is the hardest place to accomplish that.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 04, 2017 12:10 PM  

Cold Steel offers the Koga and Mini-Koga, basically unbreakable plastic kubotans as an aid for strikes (reducing the odds of breaking a metacarpal) and increasing the odds of landing a fight-stopping blow...very important if facing attack from periphery.

They're cheap (if lost to confiscation), nonmetallic and should pass anything but a Terry patdown or wearing a bikini.

Anonymous Godfrey February 04, 2017 12:11 PM  

All good stuff, but don't forget about people like Soros.

The trained monkeys are nothing with out the Organ Grinder.

Turn off the source of bananas and the monkeys disappear.

Anonymous A fellow LARPer February 04, 2017 12:14 PM  

So many people talking out their ass here. I have a little experience with brawls but none with gas obviously. IME one on one fighting is nothing like a brawl. Its more like a mosh pit gone bad. American sport is so sanitized and the rest of the world is going that way too but if you watch old sports games or games from overseas you see that when a fight breaks out and the entire team rushes in to fight each othe everything becomes complete chaos. People are in each others way. People get blindsided. Hopefully there are still some clips on youtube of good all in sports brawls.

1. Steel toed boots are good but if you kick someone in the head enjoy life in prison. You can get boots with a hard toe that is not steel.

2. Train as a boxer and for punching strength and cardio. Throwing punches and wrestling is very tiring. Learn stand up wrestling, break falls and how to get back to your feet asap.

3. If you are knocked down then curl up and protect your head. If you have an atifa with you then put him in a chokehold and use him as a shield.

4. The bigger you are the easier this stuff is. You will be in a press of people with others shoving you from every direction while trying to punch some asshole who is also trying to punch you. Being an immovable object is valuable. Don't sacrifice cardio for size though.

5. With boxing training practice being hit with the gloves, having people walk on your stomach (tense it first) and throwing the medicine ball into your chest. Most people are shocked when they are hit in the head and freeze unless they are used to it.

6. Keep your chin down.

7. Try not to knock someone down and have their head crack open on the pavement. You will probably be charged.

8. Pens can be stabbing weapons BUT ONLY TO SAVE YOUR LIFE. A large key sticking out of your first works too but only if you believe your life is in danger. I have obviously not tried either one and hope I never have to so I could be wrong here.

9. Get some big rings to wear. Bikers don't just wear rings for the looks.

10. Buy a spycam/bodycam.

11. Try and tear their masks off so they can be identified.

12. Learn to choke someone out but never hold more than 4 seconds.

13. Buy mma underwear. The cup may be the difference between ruptured testicles or not ruptured testicles.

14. Consider carrying a paper mask or having a bandana ready to cover your mouth if the bastards use gas.

15. Vox's ziptie idea sounds good but my experience is that everything will be so uncoordinated and everyone pressing around trying to get into the fight that it may not work. I would love to try it but you would need a group of friends to be prepared with who are all ready to work together.

Blogger Wolfman at Large February 04, 2017 12:14 PM  

I tried to apply SSH Theory to these antifa groups a while back, with admittedly mixed results.
https://wolvesandmen.wordpress.com/2016/06/28/beta-gamma-and-antifa/

Anonymous A fellow LARPer February 04, 2017 12:22 PM  

By number 5 above I meant to practice sparring with the gloves on.

Anonymous Eduardo February 04, 2017 12:25 PM  

Man I had this joke stuck sometime now, and now that another transspecies poster has come to the fore I must unleash my JOKE!

So as you can see I have photographic evidence of Were-Puppy's transformations. Showing that this person can indeed shapeshift.

Picture #1 shows him transformed with a spoon in his nose. We called this transformation Lupus Puppisticus or Were-Puppy.

Picture #2, shows a even more impressive transformation of this person, Called Lupus Mejicanus Pappitus, or Were-Pappi.

Picture #3, shows him in human form, this one is called: Homo Genderius Agnostiscus or Were-Man.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 04, 2017 12:26 PM  

FWIW, although this is obviously marketing intended to sell subscription access to further videos, this guy does offer some insights into street fighting.
https://youtu.be/VZyxxipb1Mg

Anonymous Bobby Farr February 04, 2017 12:27 PM  

Where did all the Trump supporting frat guys go? There were many of them in the audience in videos I saw of other Milo campus speeches. It would seem that 20 of them armed with clubs would at least be able to get to the venue and block the doors to antifa. But this was Berkele so maybe no cornfed whites to fill the ranks.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 04, 2017 12:29 PM  

This is part 2 of the above.
https://youtu.be/m7r3gPJ0eQE

I think it would be HILARIOUS to use a woman attacker in this Muy Thai clinch as a shield.

Blogger Melampus the Seer February 04, 2017 12:33 PM  

Like I said, everyone does their own thing. I don't punch, I slap. And learning weapons is more important than empty hands IMHO. You can take weapon attacks and adapt them to empty hands, but usually not the other way around. Plus, if you don't fight with weapons, you won't be able to defend yourself against them. I've seen that time and again.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdo9wn-G_Gw

Blogger Phelps February 04, 2017 12:33 PM  

Use the hoodies against them. We have to teach them not to wear hoodies, and the best way to do that is to make it your own weapon.

When they are coming at you, reach out and grab a handful of the top of the hoodie and don't let go. If you are still on your feet, pull towards yourself and down. Now this hoodie idiot has his face covered by his own hoodie and can't get his balance because his head is being pulled down and forward. If you start to fall, the same will happen naturally.

Now you have this idiot under control, and he is in the way for his buddies to swoop in and H&R. Again, don't let go. Never let go of the top of the hoodie. If he starts to slip out of the hoodie (likely) his arms will be pinned straight up. Hockey punch and nut kick him mercilessly. If he does manage to slip out of the hoodie, he has now lost his anonymity and you have a trophy.

Anonymous Eduardo February 04, 2017 12:34 PM  

@108 LARPer

It is also important to know who are the people most likely to engage in combat of any kind. That women there, you can bet she had that can at all times in her hand. If you see anyone trying to hide something, assume bad intent and plan your combat as if your were defending against that particular person or avoiding that person's attacks.

Man this whole Mob fighting thing is a bit hard because you need training, you need someone to simulate an attack an as you get used to fighting in simulation the other person can get more real and more real.

Plus... Vox is absolutely correct, don't give interviews, they make you lose attention to your surroundings. Katrina there wasn't going to fight so she could only take punishment but didn't have plan dish out any damage.

Blogger Koanic February 04, 2017 12:35 PM  

The sort of person who attends a riot as the victim is likely naive enough to oppose the measures necessary to prevent South American- style riots from becoming normal in the geographical United States.

I think we should celebrate Berkeley's brief return to its educational function.

Anonymous X-pick February 04, 2017 12:35 PM  

I know biker gangs like the Hell's Angels use a padlock tied to a bandana.

It works like a flail or slapjack. You keep it in your pocket assembled, and use it whack someone's skull.

If you need to dodge the police, you simple untie the bandana from the lock and ditch the pieces...

Thoughts on this?

(I also heard the Black Bloc types favor bike locks used in the same manner)

Anonymous BBGKB February 04, 2017 12:37 PM  

Never wear contacts to places that get tear gassed or pepper sprayed. You can buy swimming goggles made to your prescription or cheaper ones to a close to prescription. I actually bought them for swimming of course. This place is having a sale now including ones under $10 https://www.swimoutlet.com/prescription-swim-goggles-c9623/

Well, there goes Robert Reich's theory it was a Milo funded false flag.

The false fag flage

Blogger Dave February 04, 2017 12:38 PM  

Additional perspectives in a much longer video from Stefan where he interviews two other individuals (Berkeley students?) who were also at the riots.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L64y129lTR8

Anonymous Millenium February 04, 2017 12:43 PM  

@117 Women are also more likely to go for the nutshot IME.

For those with no experience, cups protect your balls from serious damage but it still really hurts.

Blogger Beau February 04, 2017 12:46 PM  

Here's what worked in Operation Rescue days.

When Christians open their mouths to sing, the ugly chanting of their foes was stifled. It only takes two voices to start quelling a crowd. Others will rally and join. One pro-abortion protestor remarked, "That's not fair! We have to chant, but you get to sing." Is this really effective? Yes. A lady stopped a street demonstration cold in Los Angeles by singing, "God Bless America." The sense of peace that came over the crowd was palpable; the demonstration deflated from that point on. My buddy Bob and I would seek out places of greatest contention then sing/worship with every fiber of our being. That worship extinguished charged animosity.

Blogger Sweetbeak greatest fan February 04, 2017 1:13 PM  

Elaborating on my prior comment...

The winning approach is to have no platform other than Anti-Terrorist. Anti-Terrorist citizens' defense clubs have a single message, a single statement to media: we defend people against communist terrorism, when the police can't. No other statements or symbols.

Trump is in power, so there's no need for the right to wage street wars at this time. The purpose of Anti-Terrorist patrols is simply to defend Americans engaging in free speech. This may be important, because allowing real Americans to constantly be brutalized by commie terrorists is a black eye to the right's image.

They should wear goggles and perhaps masks against pepper spray, helmets and kevlar vests, possibly thick leather jackets. In this way they could remain anonymous if they like. They should carry Anti-Terrorist flags, like the terrorists do, with strong flagpoles. And perhaps pepper spray. They may need to carry signs that act as shields against thrown objects. All, especially CCW holders, must act defensively within the law. They react defensively but decisively. They film everything. They don't engage in dialogue or taunts with terrorists, other than reiterating the Anti-Terrorist mission. These events don't allow weapons etc, so patrols are independent of the event audience; they are doing the job of the police.

The pro-white group in the 2016 Sacramento riot had military success against a larger terrorist group (video is good), by using sticks and shields; they also used the commies' own knives against them with legal impunity. Their mistake was their nazi-ish larping and symbols, which the Jewish mainstream media easily used against them. The key to the rightful moral high ground is to have zero platform other than Anti-Terrorist.

If police won't prosecute terrorists for documented violent acts, then independent individuals can decide on their own whether to pursue justice when terrorist commies are doxed. The righteous individual acts must not be traceable to any defensive group.

That's the theory. I myself have no interest in street brawling. We are in power at the moment, and antifa is a fringe.

Blogger Chris Mallory February 04, 2017 1:18 PM  

Check your state and or local laws before you carry a weapon. In Kentucky, some knifes and impact/martial arts weapons are considered deadly weapons and illegal to carry concealed. Unless you have a permit. The Kentucky CDWL covers all weapons. Open carry with any weapon is legal in Kentucky. Know your laws, don't give a reason to get arrested.

Anonymous Magus February 04, 2017 1:19 PM  

@73 - This, and what Vox and others have said about grouping up before an event. Learn from the football hooligans. Stick together and have an exit plan. I think that's the biggest thing - work as a group, and know how to escape. Going on the offense is important when there's a direct threat, but most important, in this kind of situation, is knowing how to get your group out of there - studying exit strategy before hand, agreeing on it, and studying the terrain once you arrive.

Wanted to ask a question: does anyone have advice on bring a circular riot shield - small enough to carry, and light enough to be held on the hard. Polycarbonate. Biggest drawback I see is you might not be able to take it into the event itself, so you're basically gonna have to abandon it, if the situation is attending a talk when a riot erupts outside. Obviously if there's no inside-place you're going to, and always gonna be outside, then it's not a problem.

One other big lesson for me here has been, alongside having a better exit plan, is having a defend-and-evacuate plan. In Kat's husband's case, the concussion was one thing, but he was kicked while he was down, hard enough to hurt him through kevlar. There was no plan on how to get him out, and no co-ordianted effort on what to do. What's clear to me now is the necessity of: (1) a med kit; (2) a collapsible stretcher; (3) advanced first aid training in how to move an injured person (and if you should); (4) a collapsible stretcher, or improvised one (even a hammock?) in your backpack; (5) having a defense strategy for the wounded.

Last year I was talking to my friends about training together on how to fight and disrupt mobs. Now my thinking has shifted to how to create defensive circles to evacuate wounded people. Fact is, any plan is going to get shit and people are gonna get hurt. My biggest concern is how to protect them and how to make an exit.

Anonymous Eduardo February 04, 2017 1:21 PM  

@121

Well Stefan is such a Drama Queen in the video he reference to in the beginning of the video linked.

Stefan says that when we stop arguing we lose civilization. Of course Not! The winner will not dwell into retardation because they chooped someone in half! Stefan seems to have a very positivistic view of History, I guess in his mind, if we all give in to the evidence, aka his metaphysics, his view of logic, his moral principles, his method and any assumption necessary to analyse the Evidence, we will all agree on everything eventually, and the result will make a better world.

Stefan is an utopian.

he thought reason was the ultimate sword, if he cut all irrationality he would eventually save the world, I guess that is why he looks so beat up lately.

The little time I debated seriously on the internet I realised that people have different criterias for argument, depending on what people want from arguments or from the world, they will accept your argument or not, you could have an awesome argument, completely correct, but people will not agree with you, because most of the time our arguments have several and several layers to it, and there might be something in there people disagree with you. There is no inevitable unity of thought because that is to assume there is a unity of basic assumptions.

About the details of the Riot. It is California guys, it is Latin America on Leftist Steroids.

Anonymous Millenium February 04, 2017 1:22 PM  

@123 Singing a hymn may not work in a Pro Trump crowd but if you began singing the Star-Spangled Banner the crowd might join in. That would be awesome to see. Throw in some 'America' or 'Trump' chants at the end.

Blogger Beau February 04, 2017 1:34 PM  

Singing a hymn may not work in a Pro Trump crowd but if you began singing the Star-Spangled Banner the crowd might join in.

You'd be surprised who joins in, and who looks ashamed standing amongst the chanters. Singing Joy to the World! really cuts them to the quick. Let the others side bring their bullhorns. It doesn't matter. A group of worshipers remarkedly changes the equation.

Anonymous Millenium February 04, 2017 1:42 PM  

@131 How many people know the words to Joy To the World outside of hardcore Christians? I know the first line and that's it. An anti abortion crowd is going to be a different make up than a pro Milo or pro Trump crowd. The national anthem is a song everyone knows.

Blogger Beau February 04, 2017 1:43 PM  

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels Revelation 12:7

Worship is how we fight it on Earth. Exorcists know the value of worship.

Blogger pyrrhus February 04, 2017 1:49 PM  

Stefan is an utopian.

he thought reason was the ultimate sword, if he cut all irrationality he would eventually save the world, I guess that is why he looks so beat up lately.

Yes, there are many Stefans out there, and they will have to shed these illusions or else....Fortunately, Vox is the anti-Stefan in this respect.

Blogger Beau February 04, 2017 1:49 PM  

I know the first line and that's it.

OK, you don't have this capability. But if it can be brought to bear by others, it works.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable February 04, 2017 2:01 PM  

Robert What? wrote:"But most importantly, stop relying on the police and the media! They are not going to defend you, they are not going to take your side, and they are not going to give you a fair shake."

Not only will the police not take your side, they are likely to take the side of the attackers.


Of all of the revelations of the last couple of years, that was one of the most disappointing for me. Better to be disillusioned than a happy idiot, but it's quite an unpleasant revelation.

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis February 04, 2017 2:01 PM  

Regarding martial arts - Aikido teaches self defense against group attacks, and starts the training at a low belt level. Basically it means you keep moving and use the multiple members of the group against each other. You don't even need to use full throws. Heel of your hand against their nose, grab the back of their collar as you pass and pull downwards, grasp an arm or wrist and swing them right into others of the group. But keep moving! Don't just stand there.

Blogger Nate February 04, 2017 2:52 PM  

i would suggest that you pick your battles. In all honestly it should have been obvious from the mayor's behavior and other things that the police were not going to get to involved in this. This is berkley california.

If this sort of thing was happening in Texas or Alabama... yeah.. you can bet the police are going to come down hard on it. But in California?

no.

It is simply unwise to make plans that assume the police will be on your side... or even care... in a place like California.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable February 04, 2017 3:01 PM  

Gunnar von Cowtown wrote:@66 The term you're looking for is "black bloc" anarchists. They call themselves this. So does (extremely frustrated) law enforcement.

Why are you accepting their frame? "Black bloc" sounds cool, like they're resisting authority. "Blackshirt" is not only literally descriptive but also accurate in implication, since they're voluntary thought-police, anarcho-tyrannical.

Blogger Sheila4g February 04, 2017 3:02 PM  

Steve Sailer had a post dealing with this, and he kept emphasizing that "we" (don't know if he means Alt Light, Alt Right, TruCons, or merely his readers) need to stay on the side of law and order. Support the forces of law and order? In an anarcho-tyranny? That sounds to me like a good way to remain passive or purely defensive and get oneself killed. As someone with a tremendous amount of built-up rage (against SJW, feminists, libtards, etc.), but zero experience fighting, thanks to all for the suggestions. Obviously not looking to get into anything, but only a fool believes it's not coming. I may be strong for my age and sex, but have no illusions about having grrrl power. Especially like the suggestions for wearing a billed cap, using an umbrella (even an regular one, if opened, might help against directly aimed pepper spray) and yanking on their hoods. My husband also suggested wearing knee and elbow pads under loose clothes.

In sum, my uptake is: First choice, stay on perimeter and be prepared to get away. Second choice, go in large group with designated fighters and photographers and medical care providers.

Blogger MrMalcolm D February 04, 2017 3:13 PM  

A List. Right now.

Blogger Feather Blade February 04, 2017 3:25 PM  

@4 Bravo, love the new lyrics!

Blogger Basil Makedon February 04, 2017 3:27 PM  

My advice to most of you regarding potential violence -- don't.

Not that you aren't brave, rather you are not ready. I'm no longer ready. My street fighting/bouncing days are twenty years in the rear view mirror. I was in shape and trained every other day. I'm a desk worker now. Know your limits.

I'm not going anywhere near these creatures if I can help it.

Most of the advice given by people with some actual knowledge is sound. Let me just offer some additional information regarding ... "accessories."

Be very, very careful here. Any item that you possess that is not completely ordinary will be later used to show premeditation and intent. This will potentially compromise or complicate any self-defense argument that you might have.

For example, a woman with a can of mace will be okay as it is considered a normal thing to carry. A man with a can of mace will not be okay.

You may be better off with an "accessory" that can be plausibly improvised, even if you've worked it out before hand.

Also, be careful when restraining any member of the mob. You might think that you are doing the humane thing, but false imprisonment is a crime and a tort in most places.

The bottom line is that the r-selected left controls law enforcement and the DA's on campuses and in most urban thunderdomes. The terrorists will get every break and every benefit of the doubt, you will get none. This is why they operate in these places. You are more likely to see them in Austin, than in Dallas or Houston for good reason. Again, my advice is to stay away.

Anonymous Joe February 04, 2017 3:59 PM  

If you want to be involved in mob violence, wear a cup, wear steel-toed boots or sneakers (Sears sells steel-toed athletic shoes for workers that don't look as aggro as Doc Martens), wear some leather gloves to protect your hands against cuts on teeth (which get infected quickly and badly) - the military-style ones have built-in hard knuckle protection), get some Oakleys or cheap Oakley copies (clear ones for night) that hug the face to protect against thrown objects, pepper spray, or that glitter that LGBT activists like to throw in people's faces that can scratch a cornea. Leather jackets give some protection against knives and box cutters. Stick some first aid supplies in your pockets - a pressure dressing (or failing that, tampons are sanitary and work pretty well) and a bottle of saline solution to wash out the eyes.

Blogger Steven MqCueen February 04, 2017 4:03 PM  

Be aware that if you put yourself in harms way, are attacked and then use force to defend yourself, the authorities in places like Berkeley, CA may arrest and prosecute you, rather than the person or people who attacked you.

Anonymous Deplorable Winning February 04, 2017 4:23 PM  

Incoming secretive secret, like Berkeley was.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/super/2017/02/02/super-bowl-2017-protesters-president-donald-trump-houston/97421790

"Another rally will start at the stadium and is expected to merge with other groups.

Details of the protests can be found on the #ResistHouston Facebook page, where almost 1,800 people have indicated they will participate and another 6,800 people have indicated they are 'interested'"

> start at the stadium
> expected to merge with other groups

Anonymous Eduardo February 04, 2017 4:34 PM  

@146

Oh no you won't disturb the Super Bowl. Me and Dad have no Soccer to watch so all we got is your version of the great sport.

*Lock and load a FN FAL*

FOR FREEDOM!!!!!

Blogger Escoffier February 04, 2017 4:34 PM  

Beau wrote:Here's what worked in Operation Rescue days.

When Christians open their mouths to sing, the ugly chanting of their foes was stifled. It only takes two voices to start quelling a crowd. Others will rally and join. One pro-abortion protestor remarked, "That's not fair! We have to chant, but you get to sing." Is this really effective? Yes. A lady stopped a street demonstration cold in Los Angeles by singing, "God Bless America." The sense of peace that came over the crowd was palpable; the demonstration deflated from that point on. My buddy Bob and I would seek out places of greatest contention then sing/worship with every fiber of our being. That worship extinguished charged animosity.


Can confirm this is bizarrely effective. In a similar vein we were surrounded by a bunch of commies once at the Mexican consulate in Chicago and they were whipping themselves up to do some violence and my Wife and I kept saying 'God Bless you' you would have thought we hit them with holy water. Never forget there is always a spiritual component to this stuff.

Anonymous Deplorable Winning February 04, 2017 4:46 PM  

Eduardo wrote:@146

Oh no you won't disturb the Super Bowl. Me and Dad have no Soccer to watch so all we got is your version of the great sport


And we can share looking forward to an epic VP post. See you on Sunday!

Blogger Kona Commuter February 04, 2017 4:51 PM  

I'd like to make a couple of points

Fitness and strength pay off all throughout your life even if you're not caught up in a riot.

As pointed out earlier. On the ground you're in a world of trouble. Sambo / BJJ / Judo champion or not.

From a self defence blog

* "Don't go to stupid places with stupid people to do stupid things"
* Run / leave when you see a dangerous situation developing
* "Not being there is way better than running, running is way better than de-escalating, de-escalating is way better than fighting and fighting is way better than dying"
* "If you have a bad feeling about something IMMEDIATELY address it as quick as you can"

European football hooligans can teach a lot

Importantly - look how quickly some protesters have been doxed. That could be you

Lastly - do NOT under-estimate our opponents. Sure we laugh at "snowflakes" but make no mistake. The Left are well organised, well funded, are willing to use violence (for all the Patriot & 2A tough talk only one side is *actually* fighting) and have support throughout all levels of society and government workers (judges, Sheriffs, MSM, politicians, educators).

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants February 04, 2017 5:47 PM  

Steel toed boots, yes. Now this, is a good suggestion. I generally never go places in a group setting where I cannot carry concealed, because I am a short, older woman that has been in many physical altercations & don't particularly enjoy having my skull stomped & my eardrums ruptured or my teeth broken. It is very painful, has lifelong consequences and happens much, much quicker than you guys that haven't ever experienced this kind of stuff, would think.
I always carry a large knife, blade locked open, in my hand & hidden by my sleeve when I have to cross any area of darkness, unaccompanied. I figure this gives me about a 10% chance, as opposed to zero. That's it.

Anonymous Bukulu February 04, 2017 6:35 PM  

Cataline @ 5

"You have to meet their violence with a proportional response."

NO you DO NOT. Get your silly modern-day British ideas out of here.

In the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave, it does much like this:

RCW 9A.16.050

Homicide--By other person--When justifiable.

Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:

(1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his or her presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or

(2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his or her presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he or she is.

This is from Washington State but many states are quite similar.

Blogger Kirk Parker February 04, 2017 6:36 PM  

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Blogger ViciousCreep February 04, 2017 7:18 PM  


Some fundamental elements can be aquired relatively quickly, and can be practiced in a noncombative environment.

By far the most important skill - as others have stressed - is situational awareness. Every one of us can improve this humblingly limited faculty. How is the composition of people around you changing. (Not easy!) Note what people are doing with their hands, how they position themselves and how they direct their attention. It can be practiced in almost any context - and frankly improves your quality of life. ( I'd like to see more drivers practice it...)

One tactical method I should mention is the gate, from the great Geoff Thompson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6OJnZG3joA
Don't go into an argument with your dukes up: Speak with your hands, moving them in a passive position, keeping them low, nothing indicating aggression. It can be used to diffuse situations, creates a passive boundary and, if necessary, positions you for preemtive strikes.

Blogger Lazarus February 04, 2017 7:22 PM  

Deplorable Winning wrote:"Another rally will start at the stadium and is expected to merge with other groups.

This isn't a freakin' useless university situation, this is the freakin' SUPERBOWL. There is big money involved. The cops will beat the fuckers to a pulp.

Blogger ViciousCreep February 04, 2017 7:23 PM  

>VD wrote"...combat does not work...the way it is shown on TV.<

You mean using two pistols doesn't make you twice as deadly?
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d88_1483989722

Blogger Unknown February 04, 2017 7:37 PM  

You might want to consider carrying brass knuckles. They come in materials other than brass, too, even some non-metallic versions for those who worry about metal detectors. Another possible weapon is a paintball gun. The impact stings and it's good for identifying goons, especially if you can have custom paintballs made with some long lasting material like the dye packs that banks use against unwary robbers. And then there's always drones with cameras which, if used in conjunction with the paint guns, could follow the marked miscreants back to their cars. License plate numbers and pictures of them once they've removed their masks should be useful for civil and/or criminal suits. Just a thought.

Anonymous Clay February 04, 2017 7:45 PM  

Any male who actually watches the "Lady Gaga" halftime show, should have his man-card revoked.

Anonymous Saracen III February 04, 2017 8:18 PM  

Or, one could just make fun of the officers who locked attendees out of the MLK building (with themselves inside, of course).

Ladies and gentlemen: the UBPD Special Response Unit
http://ucpd.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/styles/openberkeley_image_full/public/general/yearbook-sru-6416_0.jpg

Anonymous Kolya February 04, 2017 9:25 PM  

Redwing ankle top boots are always in fashion.

But, what would Jesus use? Might I suggest an 8 foot long bull whip. Known to keep lions at bay. Place 5 adversaries 10 feet from me and with one crack of the whip at the speed of sound they will be 15 feet from me.

In the 70's I had two ironwood trudgens, one with a large bolt imbedded in the end for extra blunt force trama. They were about 15 inches long. I also had a rubber hose about the same length I carried with me on jogs. It proved to be effective against a mixed breed German shepherd. If you're hit once, you'll beg not to be hit again.

My favorite cqc weapon (I think because I've never used it against a human foe) is my 486 steel layered seax short sword. The single blade is 20 inches long, 3/16 inch thick on the top, 2 and 1/4 inches wide, the top tapers down to the tip from 10 inches back. It has a 6 inch wood leather handle for a gloved hand with an old railroad spike fashioned for the pummel. I was there as it was forged in 6 days. I feel as if I am it's father. Made with such love, one should be honoured to have their soul separated from their body by this work of art. I know what it will do to a ham and it yearns for an extended arm holding a can of pepper spray. But alas, I am older, slower, and weaker, and living in a stand your ground state, confronted by any threat to my life (and someone spraying God knows what at me is that threat), that threat will experience the working end of my little friend Mr. Beretta.

Blogger Dave February 04, 2017 9:27 PM  

Milo was just on Fox News with Judge Jeanine. He said he loves, loves Trump and the President needs to keep doing what he's doing. Also federal funds should be withheld from universities that restrict free speech.

Blogger Thucydides February 04, 2017 9:55 PM  

Coming street battles between the Spartacists and Freikorps. History really does repeat itself.

Blogger Lazarus February 04, 2017 10:21 PM  

The woman who got sprayed said these thugs just started appearing without warning.

Step one. Designate spotters at these events to text warnings to others about the location of Aunty-Fa and their movements.

Blogger Doomfinger February 04, 2017 11:25 PM  

One Against Many: Multiple Opponent Survival System
These are the notes I took while watching Branimir Tudjan’s One Against Many: Multiple Opponent Survival System. I highly recommend this training DVD-R.
Three Rules
Avoidance—alert not paranoid
De-escalate—always try
Fight to win—win time or space, not necessarily to dominate opponents
Training
15 second rule. You must fight for 15 seconds and gain opportunity to remove self from dangerous situation.
Combat Truths
It is not “can you fight?” but “will you fight?”.
Appearance has no bearing on fighting abilities.
Count on fear and pain.
No referees—you cannot tap out.
Attackers will attack as one.
Every fight can be your last, and there can be serious legal consequences.
Common Mistakes
Never take fight to ground.
Do not apply control lock on one opponent.
No high kicks—no kicks above crotch.
Not static stances (martial arts posture).
Dynamics of Fear
It is natural to feel fear in a fearful situation.
No shame in feeling fear.
Fear is reliable—embrace it.
Fear mobilizes—prepares body for action: fight or flight.
Fear restricts—fine motor skills disappear under influence of fear.
Fear distorts—your perception of time, space and shape will alter.
Fear inhibits—your physical and mental coordination will suffer.
Fear excludes—you may experience auditory exclusion and tunnel vision.
You must deal with the negative impacts of fear. The difference between a coward and a hero is that a hero acts in spite of fear.

Blogger Doomfinger February 04, 2017 11:25 PM  

Dealing with Fear
Control your breathing.
If you have to fight, fight for someone you love.
Think about what you will do to attackers, not what they will do to you.
Visualize winning and losing scenarios before any violent encounter occurs.
Athletic VS. Tactical Responses
Athletic is the sportsman approach of learning maneuvers and plays.
Tactical involves: movement, use of gross motor skills, and 15 second rule.
Striking
You will probably not be able to use fine motor skills.
MOSS focuses on gross motor skills attack: elbows, knees, open palm strikes.
You will not have time to execute more than two strikes per attacker.
Open Palm Strike: Target is the jaw. Striking with fist may break it.
Hammerfist: Target is the nose.
Headbutt: Use part above eyebrows to parts below eyebrows. Use your whole body to bring opponent to you as you strike.
Biting and gouging: Must be seen in context of MOSS, a dangerous situation. If you are being grappled, bite and/or gouge. Bite targets are any soft parts. If you do not condition yourself to bite and gouge, you will not do them.
Elbow Strikes: Targets are the neck, jaw, and nose. Grab attacker for leverage.
Knee Strike: Targets are groin and spine. Grab attacker for leverage, but stand off to the side to avoid headbutt.
Groin Kick: Move torso backwards as you kick to avoid punch/headbutt.
Groin Slap: Use back of palm to hit groin, standing off to the side.
Hardball Jump Strike: Distract by palming face then jump up and hammerfist face.
Throat Strike: Use under arm to hit throat while running to side of opponent. Grab for leverage.
Developing the Will to Win
Even if you are ignorant of moves you may win if you have desire.
Training:
10-15 seconds blindfolded defender must defend against grappler.
10-15 seconds two attackers try to move one defender laying on ground from point A to B.
10-15 seconds defender must keep a quarter clenched in his fist away from two attackers.

Blogger Doomfinger February 04, 2017 11:26 PM  

Tactical Footwork
Fist on Chest Drill: Attacker holds out fist towards defender’s chest and mimics moves. Never cross your feet!
Striking Abdomen Drill: Three attackers try to “hit” (not real strikes) defender in stomach.
Tactical Response Blueprinting Drills
Attackers try to grab arms.
Attackers try to grab head.
Attackers try to grab throat.
Attackers try to grab all parts of body.
Defender must avoid attackers by constant movement.
After whistle blows everyone freezes.
Defender will attack assailant then shield himself.
Circle Drills
People will form a circle in which defenders and attackers cannot leave. Members of the circle will distract defender by yelling and taunting.
Defender stuck in circle with two attackers. Defender may only hit twice per attacker and evade.
Introduces third attacker who tries to sneak behind defender pulling from behind and striking with strike pad.
Defender spins self until dizzy, punched in stomach, then turns to complete first drill.
Tactics and Strategy Rules
Initiate attack with deception.
Keep moving using a fallen assailant as a shield if you can.
After inflicting damage on one attacker, move to another if you cannot escape.
Always flank opponents.
While moving, always be looking around to break tunnel vision.
Do not grapple or trade blows with an attacker.
Advanced Drills
Applies all rules. Full power because attackers have protective gear.
Two attackers try to immobilize defender’s body.
Two attackers will try to strike defender.
Two attackers will try to immobilize and strike defender.
Ground Survival Drill
Defender starts on various ground positions with attacker in the advantage. Defender must bite or gouge out of hold.
Do not wait until you are on the ground to bite or gouge. If you fear you are going to ground, bite or gouge.

Anonymous Discard February 05, 2017 2:29 AM  

47. Melampus the Seer: Agree with the boots. Always wear boots if there is any possibility of danger. I wear boots on planes and to theaters. If there's ever a scramble to get out of someplace, due to fire or whatever, I won't die because I hurt my foot and had to hobble.

Anonymous Discard February 05, 2017 2:31 AM  

I have seen a video about self-defense with a skateboard. Looked like a serious tool, both shield and sword, to my untrained eye.

Blogger Happy LP9 February 05, 2017 2:44 AM  

Terrible, its a relief the couple is safe - such violence never should have happened.

Anonymous O'dile February 05, 2017 3:52 AM  

Isnt this America?? Carry a pistol and know how to use it. Could you imagine the deterrent effect of an antifa-coward getting shot in the face? They'd think twice next time!

As an aside, I participated in an ANTIFA action once, in Canada, against a real neo-nazi gang. The reason I agreed to participate was the fact that this gang openly hailed hitler and had killed three people in attacks in our province. I just went with a pocket full of rocks, but there were antifa's with guns, even up here in Canada, so make sure that you know what you're doing! These antifa are filth though, trying to suppress free speech isnt fighting nazi gangs, theres a difference...

Blogger Were-Puppy February 05, 2017 5:49 PM  

@21 VD

Kali sticks are shellacked bamboo.
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I got a pair made of ironwood in my car.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 05, 2017 6:25 PM  

@113 Eduardo
Man I had this joke stuck sometime now, and now that another transspecies poster has come to the fore I must unleash my JOKE!
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I like the joke, but I came into this as originally as a Sad Puppy - part of the sci-fi resistance to SJWs.

After being horrified by the shoggoths and other deep sea creatures on the other side, I transformed into the Were-Puppy :P

Blogger Were-Puppy February 05, 2017 6:30 PM  

Superbowl about to start, no time to read all of this.
But my suggestion is, get you some kali classes.

Back when I was taking those, it comes with the basic assumption you will have multiple attackers, and they will be armed.

We all the time practiced 2 on 1s, 3 on 1s, 5 on 1s, etc.

We also practiced 15 vs 15, where you learn how easy it is to clobber your own team guys by not watching wtf you are doing with weapons.

Also trained on how to fight with weapons and end up on your back on the ground, and getting back up all while still fighting.

It seems a perfect style for this day and age.

Anonymous Anonymous February 05, 2017 9:04 PM  

It's Berkeley,people. Any defense outside of fisticuffs will probably get you tossed in the jug. That is,if the mayor allows the cops to get involved. Which he would probably do if the masked little shits started losing.

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