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Monday, February 06, 2017

Moth & Cobweb 4: Daughter of Danger

The nameless girl does not know who or what she is. She does not even know her name. But she quickly learns that she has enemies who are trying to kill her, as well as lethal skills that no girl her age should know. And, she inadvertently discovers, she can also fly.

Her only clue to her identity is the mysterious, shape-changing ring on her finger that appears to be alive. And the one thing she knows for a certainty is that she must find out who she is before the monsters chasing her are able to hunt her down. DAUGHTER OF DANGER is the fourth book of MOTH & COBWEB, an astonishing new series about magical worlds of Day, Night, and Twilight by John C. Wright.

John C. Wright is one of the living grandmasters of science fiction and the author of THE GOLDEN AGE, AWAKE IN THE NIGHT LAND, and IRON CHAMBER OF MEMORY, to name just three of his exceptional books. He has been nominated for both the Nebula and Hugo Awards, and his novel SOMEWHITHER won the 2016 Dragon Award for Best Science Fiction Novel at Dragoncon.

DAUGHTER OF DANGER is 155 pages, DRM-free, and retails for $4.99 on Amazon and the Castalia House bookstore. It will soon be available on iBooks, Barnes & Noble, Kobo, and the Google Play store as well.

It probably won't have escaped your attention that we've got a new cover artist for the series; we will have new covers out for the first three books as well. Below is the image that will be the cover for both the Swan Knight's Son ebook and the print editions of the Green Knight's Squire trilogy which is presently in production.


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125 Comments:

Blogger The Kurgan February 06, 2017 6:23 AM  

That new artist you have..... best lock him in your mountain castle dungeons, otherwise I'll have him in the dungeons of my Palace in La Serenissima in no time!

Blogger Yollo February 06, 2017 7:15 AM  

They're both fine pieces of work but is the cover for Daughter of Danger perhaps a tad too in the risque side of the spectrum? Especially for a YA book?

Blogger VD February 06, 2017 7:18 AM  

They're both fine pieces of work but is the cover for Daughter of Danger perhaps a tad too in the risque side of the spectrum? Especially for a YA book?

No.

Anonymous jakob February 06, 2017 7:48 AM  

Truth be told, original covers were already pretty good. They fit the mood and style of the story really well.

Blogger Resident Moron™ February 06, 2017 8:04 AM  

The Amazon link has the Kindle price at $6.46

An odd figure, but also not $4.99 ...

Do you know why?

I'll buy it anyway, but if I can get it cheaper then I'll do that too.

Blogger Markku February 06, 2017 8:09 AM  

Are you looking at it outside USA, or through a proxy? If so, you are seeing the VAT that gets added to it.

Blogger Resident Moron™ February 06, 2017 8:22 AM  

Ah, yes. From Australia. Thanks for clearing that up.

Blogger Student in Blue February 06, 2017 8:32 AM  

It's been said before, but bears repeating:

Mr. Wright has a ludicrous writing speed.

Blogger Gaiseric February 06, 2017 8:43 AM  

Yollo wrote:They're both fine pieces of work but is the cover for Daughter of Danger perhaps a tad too in the risque side of the spectrum? Especially for a YA book?
You need to look at more neoclassical and classical realist art.

Blogger TheDanielsaur February 06, 2017 8:44 AM  

I agree that the pointless promiscuity prevents this from being promotable as a young adult novel. The previous covers were excellent.

Blogger MisesMat February 06, 2017 8:44 AM  

Congrats to Mr. Wright! And to Castalia House for the next, big adventure. I have a stack of books to read, but hope to get to "Moth and Cobweb" soon.

QQ: If the last three books took place in Twilight, does this take place in Day?

Blogger Student in Blue February 06, 2017 9:13 AM  

I agree that the pointless promiscuity prevents this from being promotable as a young adult novel.

What part of it is even promiscuous? Or even particularly risque?

Blogger Silly But True February 06, 2017 9:20 AM  

Nice art!
Nitpicky: "...and his novel SOMEWHITHER won the 2016 Dragon Award for Best Science Fiction Novel at Dragoncon."

"at Dragoncon" is superfluous, and actually minimizes the sound of the achievement if one was unaware that the Dragon Award is given at Dragoncon - something which is also rather intuitive nor that difficult a test for someone who would be interested in reading Wright.

Blogger Durandel Almiras February 06, 2017 9:23 AM  

Is this the same artist who did the Appendix N cover? Looks very similar. Love it

Blogger VD February 06, 2017 9:28 AM  

Is this the same artist who did the Appendix N cover?

Yes, he'll be doing the entire Moth & Cobweb series, plus some other stuff for us.

Blogger wreckage February 06, 2017 9:34 AM  

Daughter of Danger cover is really good, but the new Green Knight's Squire cover is BANGIN'.


Blogger Cataline Sergius February 06, 2017 9:34 AM  

I saw Wright at a convention once. I thought he was signing his autograph but it turned out he was writing books for people that were just passing by.

Anonymous Rygel February 06, 2017 9:47 AM  

Still waiting for NOWHITHER!!!!!!

Blogger Student in Blue February 06, 2017 9:49 AM  

@17. Cataline Sergius

Goodness, it must've been an abnormal day for him.

Normally his pen and hand moves so fast you can't even see it.

Anonymous BBGKB February 06, 2017 9:53 AM  

Will the American flag clothing hurt the international sales?

OT but YA related. https://vultureofcritique.wordpress.com/2017/02/06/is-glenn-beck-leaking-real-inside-info-when-he-claims-to-know-of-raids-on-child-traffickers/
https://illegalnewsblog.wordpress.com/2017/01/21/pizzagate-cia-finders-molestermurderer-james-alefantis-owns-kidzworld-in-vancouver/

Blogger Alexander February 06, 2017 10:11 AM  

All things considered, she wears it better than Keith Olbermann.

Anonymous Nathan February 06, 2017 10:27 AM  

I'm a fifth of the way through it. Excellent action, fun call-outs and references, and uses Japanese flavor without going weeb.

Blogger Durandel February 06, 2017 10:30 AM  

@15 Is it okay then to link to his ArtStation page then? - Scott Vigil's ArtStation Page

I think he has an older Daughter of Danger cover posted there. Looks too much like a Marvel Comics character.

Blogger Eli February 06, 2017 10:36 AM  

Both covers are amazing. Was holding off for the paperback version of the Green Knight's Squire trilogy. Glad I did.

Anonymous AM February 06, 2017 10:44 AM  

Coming from a Catholic with a Classical education, I concur that the cover is indecent, and thrice so if this is a young adult novel. The white man's tradition, going all the way back to ancient Greece, is clear: the male is the public sex and his form may be exposed fairly freely, especially in art; the woman is the domestic/private sex, and should be modestly hidden. Also, men should strive for virtue, which starts with custody of the senses. Now, sex was immediately on my mind, seeing the contours of breast, belly button and thigh merging into pelvic region; I wished I hadn't seen it, as soon as I saw it. So I can imagine a 14 year-old boy will be affected! I wouldn't give it to a young man. If I saw my son reading it, I'd confiscate it. If the subject matter seemed alright, he might get it back sans cover.

This should be pretty basic white, Christian morals: don't buy books with half-naked women on the cover...especially don't give such books to teens. Don't put obstacles to chastity, but help your brothers.

Blogger VD February 06, 2017 10:57 AM  

Thank you for all the virtue-signaling. As I'm sure you know, we don't care.

If you are under the mistaken impression that I am even remotely concerned with your standards of decency, I would invite you to read the prologue of A Sea of Skulls. Preferably at a hospital capable of treating stroke victims.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 06, 2017 11:02 AM  

Yeah man. Don't ever put a hot naked chick on the cover of a book for teenage boys. They'll never buy it. And the Ancient Greeks will be aghast.

Anonymous Eduardo February 06, 2017 11:09 AM  

@AM

You know you might need some help on that "MY mind thinks straight up sex" after seeing a boobie.

I mean. Come on... It can't be that hard to control your thoughts.

Blogger Dave February 06, 2017 11:26 AM  

Cataline, that's pure gold, writing books for passerbys

Blogger VD February 06, 2017 11:40 AM  

La, simply tasteless! Whatever shall we do? The tea party is ruined! RUINED, I say!

We'll continue with the Frazetta, Vallejo, and Rowena tradition and the pulp revolution.

Blogger The Kurgan February 06, 2017 11:47 AM  

AM,
Piss off. You're a Churchian. Catholics have been drawing naked men and women for hundreds of years and making sculptures of them for even longer.
Take your fake "Christianity" to the pit you crawled out of.

Blogger The Kurgan February 06, 2017 11:50 AM  

carnacki,
See above regarding AM. Join him in the pit, you foul creature of the pit. Churchians are scum. Oxygen thieves the lot of them.

Blogger Student in Blue February 06, 2017 11:59 AM  

To play the devil's advocate however, and because I'm unclear to the rationale myself, what about the aspect of "not causing others to stumble" in regards to the cover?

Particularly Luke 17:1-2.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr February 06, 2017 12:02 PM  

Space princesses are supposed to be gorgeous. It's a job requirement, just like heroes being brave and stalwart.

Blogger VFM #7634 February 06, 2017 12:03 PM  

Below is the image that will be the cover for both the Swan Knight's Son ebook and the print editions of the Green Knight's Squire trilogy which is presently in production.

Nice. It has Ygraine, Gil, Rabicane, Ruff, and Nerea, pretty much how I imagined them to look.

Coming from a Catholic with a Classical education, I concur that the cover is indecent, and thrice so if this is a young adult novel.

@25 AM
Speaking as a traditional Catholic with the associated adult male sex drive, I say shut up, Puritan. You must be either Omega or Gamma.

Anonymous Nathan February 06, 2017 12:04 PM  

Wait, people are more worried about a little underboob and cleavage on the cover of a non-titillating YA book than the virtual holocaust of torture (and actual) porned characters in the SJW'ed Battle Royale clones that flood the YA stacks?

Anonymous Sensei February 06, 2017 12:07 PM  

Not virtue signalling, different standards of decency regarding art and the female form (especially for products aimed at youth). Purely literary depictions of graphic war violence and rape in an adult fantasy novel are one thing, a borderline NSFW cover on a YA book is another. You can scoff in amusement and "not care" all you want, but supposedly weak consciences don't become stronger by mockery, they either double down or are lead into sin.

Blogger VFM #7634 February 06, 2017 12:09 PM  

@38 Sensei

It's not any worse than the original Starbucks logo.

Blogger TheDanielsaur February 06, 2017 12:12 PM  

Vox, perhaps an open discussion about the pros and cons of presenting an oversexualized image to young boys in an already oversexualized culture that has serious problems with cavalier attitudes toward sex would be more constructive than the caustic defensiveness I see you reactively spouting. Your snark is approaching McRapey levels.

Blogger Yollo February 06, 2017 12:14 PM  

I wasn't really commenting with puritanism in mind. I just assumed that a YA book with exposed boobage on the cover would be a hard sell to most parents. It was not an assumption made with any level of market knowledge. I stand corrected.

Blogger paul b. February 06, 2017 12:14 PM  

carnacki wrote:What everyone else has been saying

"Everyone"? Folks seem to be loving these covers, it's only a couple of you puritans whining as you always do. Bloody proto SJWs, that's what you people always were...

OpenID volpack4 February 06, 2017 12:18 PM  

My kids read Kindle versions and probably don't even see the cover. My daughter is ready for book 4, unfortunately I am reading the others aloud to my son so we are only up to the 2nd. The character of Ruff is worth the price of all the books.

Anonymous Somme Boddet February 06, 2017 12:20 PM  

I'll avoid the argument here, and just praise the cover. Castalia's covers are finally getting better. Not to disparage past covers, they were never really bad, but they were often purely functional. Between this, Appendix N, and Starship Liberator the covers have been downright gorgeous. I hope you guys continue to make covers of this level, and move away from the covers created in Poser (Though to be fair to your artists, Castalia's Poser covers are some of the best I've seen, a lot of work clearly goes into them to get past the default plastic Poser look. Though now I've said that It'll turn out to be modeled in Maya or something.)

But seriously, great work and keep it up.

Blogger Gaiseric February 06, 2017 12:25 PM  

TheDanielsaur wrote:Vox, perhaps an open discussion about the pros and cons of presenting an oversexualized image to young boys in an already oversexualized culture that has serious problems with cavalier attitudes toward sex would be more constructive than the caustic defensiveness I see you reactively spouting. Your snark is approaching McRapey levels.
Go start one, if you like, on the venue of your choice.

Calling someone snarky because they don't want to bend over backwards and have the discussion that you want to have on their own blog is projecting. And idiotic.

Blogger TheDanielsaur February 06, 2017 12:27 PM  

Mindlessly accusing folks of being "puritans" without knowing them or even really engaging with the conversation is little different than the SJW squawking "Nazi!"

And a question to consider: Do we really want to take the position of mocking purity?

Anonymous vfm #0202 February 06, 2017 12:34 PM  

It may turn out that "grease up your grandkids" is not optimal messaging.

Anonymous Viidad February 06, 2017 12:36 PM  

"And a question to consider: Do we really want to take the position of mocking purity?"

I agree. I see a legit concern here, especially considering how many conservative, Christian homeschooling families there are who are searching for good reading material for their children. Libertines can squawk and gibber and point, but there is something to be said for desiring YA covers without mostly-naked females on them.

Anonymous Viidad February 06, 2017 12:39 PM  

Nathan: "Wait, people are more worried about a little underboob and cleavage on the cover of a non-titillating YA book than the virtual holocaust of torture (and actual) porned characters in the SJW'ed Battle Royale clones that flood the YA stacks?"

No.

Blogger Gaiseric February 06, 2017 12:47 PM  

This is the same carnacki that's concern trolling the "let's not investigate pedophilia rings because it makes us, and I really am one of you, fellow alt-right people, look crazy."

No thanks.

And for everyone else; if you don't want your kids reading books with covers like that; well, they're your kids. Do what you want.

Blogger Gaiseric February 06, 2017 1:01 PM  

TheDanielsaur wrote:And a question to consider: Do we really want to take the position of mocking purity?
Take whatever position you like. Stop pretending like there's a "we."

Anonymous AM February 06, 2017 1:06 PM  

Vox can have whatever he likes on his blog; I don't expect to be obeyed like the pope in Rome (as soon as there is one again, anyway); I was expressing my opinion, from the perspective of a man who appreciates the moral tradition of the European peoples going back a long ways (i.e., not being a mere, Puritan prude). I thought it was constructive criticism to point out that plenty of traditional men would balk at such a cover, especially if it was to be given to youth. I.e., even setting the morality aside, it needlessly alienates potential buyers.

I said what I thought. I'm hardly a Churchian, and my two cents were not offered in a spirit of virtue-signalling or cuckery, though I can understand why men on the right might be quick on the draw on that one.

I'll just say that any oversimplification of Catholic tradition, which ignores the many ancient customs (sex-segregation in the congregation, an order of deaconesses to keep male clergy away from women, moral admonitions about custody of the senses, our Lord's warning that merely to look with lust in the heart was to sin, the insistence that women should be covered up and modest, especially in Church, etc.), and concludes that gratuitous sensuality should be a non-issue for a Catholic, doesn't really understand our Tradition or the full complexity of the art related to it.

Blogger Jose February 06, 2017 1:18 PM  

VD:

Now would be the perfect time to announce that you've received the final draft of NOWITHER and editing will commence forthwith.

Blogger VD February 06, 2017 1:33 PM  

Vox, perhaps an open discussion about the pros and cons of presenting an oversexualized image to young boys in an already oversexualized culture that has serious problems with cavalier attitudes toward sex would be more constructive than the caustic defensiveness I see you reactively spouting. Your snark is approaching McRapey levels.

Caustic defensiveness, reactively spouting, snark, and McRapey?

You're projecting. I'm not discussing this with you. Just go away now.

And that is the polite version.

Blogger Student in Blue February 06, 2017 1:36 PM  

@51. Gaiseric

carnacki is indeed a shilling concern troll, but Viidad isn't wrong either.

There's also a difference between people dictating how Vox *ought* to behave via concern trolling, and people who are wondering and possibly concerned.

Blogger VD February 06, 2017 1:39 PM  

I thought it was constructive criticism

When have I EVER requested "constructive criticism" from anyone? Did you somehow miss the fact that my usual reaction to self-appointed "constructive criticism" is the exact opposite of gratitude?

It deserves classy, tasteful cover.

We don't do classy and tasteful. We will never do it. I don't know if I have somehow been unclear on the concept, but just so there is no misunderstanding, I don't give a flying fuck for classy and tasteful and I never have.

Do you even know whose blog you're on?

Anonymous Viidad February 06, 2017 1:55 PM  

"I don't give a flying fuck for classy and tasteful and I never have."

See: Babymetal

Blogger Dave February 06, 2017 1:59 PM  

Great covers Vox; will the Swan Knight's ebooks on Amazon be updated with the new covers?

For all the Victorian prudes I wish you the best of luck never allowing your kids to watch television, use the internet, browse the magazine racks at bookstores, buy something from a grocery/convenience store, attend any kind of professional sporting event with cheerleaders/dancers, or look at clothing catalogs.

Blogger VD February 06, 2017 2:00 PM  

Great covers Vox; will the Swan Knight's ebooks on Amazon be updated with the new covers?

Yes, they will.

Blogger VD February 06, 2017 2:07 PM  

You're banned and spammed, carnacki. Take your concern-trolling elsewhere.

Blogger Dave February 06, 2017 2:07 PM  

We don't do classy and tasteful. We will never do it. I don't know if I have somehow been unclear on the concept, but just so there is no misunderstanding, I don't give a flying fuck for classy and tasteful and I never have.

I knew there was something that kept bringing me back here.

Blogger VD February 06, 2017 2:12 PM  

By the way, neo-puritans, you may wish to note that one of the trolls who haunts this blog quickly picked up on your concern-trolling and joined in with enthusiasm. Carnacki was originally here to try to discredit Pizzagate.

Now, consider how useful and constructive your comments are likely to be if they are deemed worth repeating by the trolls who are here to disrupt, discredit, and defend pedophiles.

Blogger TheDanielsaur February 06, 2017 2:14 PM  

Vox,

I rarely comment anyway, but I'll certainly go away if you wish.

I've done a fair amount of free proofreading for you over the last few months, but please don't email me again requesting any more.

Blogger VD February 06, 2017 2:19 PM  

I've done a fair amount of free proofreading for you over the last few months, but please don't email me again requesting any more.

I will certainly refrain from doing so.

I rarely comment anyway, but I'll certainly go away if you wish.

I think that would be for the best.

This is exactly why I always seek to avoid working with Gammas or even permitting them to volunteer. As Mike, Milo, and others have learned, they will ALWAYS turn on you the moment they feel insufficient respect is being shown to them. The ability to work constructively with those with whom they disagree is almost completely beyond them.

Blogger S1AL February 06, 2017 2:24 PM  

I merely regard this whole episode, and Vox's rate in art, as evidence that he was born Italian in America.

>.>

Blogger TheDanielsaur February 06, 2017 2:24 PM  

And yet here you are lashing out and name-calling people with whom you disagree or who you feel haven't shown your book cover sufficient respect. Doesn't seem to different to me.

Blogger S1AL February 06, 2017 2:25 PM  

*ahem* taste in art

Anonymous Viidad February 06, 2017 2:26 PM  

"I've done a fair amount of free proofreading for you over the last few months, but please don't email me again requesting any more."

Every. Single. Time.

I swear... where do these people come from? I just had a (now former) friend email me a few weeks ago and say "a relationship is a two-way street and you haven't emailed since May of last year so we obviously don't have a relationship."

Just go away. It makes my spleen hurt it's so cringeworthy.

Blogger rycamor February 06, 2017 2:29 PM  

VD wrote:
Now, consider how useful and constructive your comments are likely to be if they are deemed worth repeating by the trolls who are here to disrupt, discredit, and defend pedophiles.


Keep your friends close, and your trolls even closer, until such time as you need to use them for an object lesson.

Anonymous zack carpenter February 06, 2017 2:30 PM  

To Vox Day: I don't find the cover offensive or in any way bad, but the way in which you treat your readers here is both. These snarky comments about "prudes", "puritans", whatnot... just mirror the way in which s***libs keep mocking and strawmanning Christians. Your comments are th sort of thing I would expect from some Tor published anti-Christian lefty author.
What I have read here, I wish i did not. When i came to post here, I wanted to express my good wishes. Now the only wish that i have is that excellent John C. Wright finds another small press willing to publish his work, one whose owner isn't anti-Christian.

Blogger Joshua_D February 06, 2017 2:30 PM  

TheDanielsaur wrote:And yet here you are lashing out and name-calling people with whom you disagree or who you feel haven't shown your book cover sufficient respect. Doesn't seem to different to me.

LOL. They JUST. CAN'T. HELP IT.

Blogger Dave February 06, 2017 2:32 PM  

@Viidad

Female? and she let it go that long?

I have friends I don't see for years and we pick up right where we left off.

Blogger Joshua_D February 06, 2017 2:36 PM  

I SURE HOPE EVERYONE CONCERNED ABOUT THE COVER NEVER TAKES THEIR YOUNG SONS TO THE BEACH OR A SWIMMING POOL.

Anonymous Viidad February 06, 2017 2:39 PM  

@Dave

No - male. Guy has burned through most of his relationships. Smart guy, clueless with people.

Blogger Dave February 06, 2017 2:41 PM  

What I have read here, I wish i did not.

Safe spaces not available on this blog. I believe BBGKB is running a sale on fainting couches.

Blogger rycamor February 06, 2017 2:48 PM  

AM wrote:Now, sex was immediately on my mind, seeing the contours of breast, belly button and thigh merging into pelvic region;

Could you elaborate just a little more longingly on this, with perhaps more sensous language?

Honestly, sex is on any man's mind when he sees an attractive woman, clothed or not. It's just that normal men don't obsess about it because they are getting plenty at home.

Teenage boys? They will obsess about it no matter what you do.

Anonymous Camilla Cameo February 06, 2017 2:50 PM  

I did the illustrations for a Catholic children's chapter book and the author absolutely loved the work I did, and most of the Amazon reviews mentioned it as one of the good things they listed about the book. However, while the sequel was in the early stages, the author emailed me out of the blue saying that since they looked in my online galleries and found I'd also drawn and painted women with cleavage, legs, and midriffs exposed, my work and my name were antithetical to evangelization and I would not be illustrating the sequel.

It's crazy how much puritanism in regards to the human form in art has spread among the traditional Christian homeschooling types. I grew up squarely in these circles and it's insane. In our weekly homeschool group, there were parents who wouldn't let their kids play video games, see any media of Japanese origin, read any comics; there were even ones who wouldn't let their kids read for pleasure, only for education or spirituality. My mother was art teacher for this group and she got blowback for printing out the Sistine Chapel ceiling and hanging it on the classroom ceiling. Interestingly enough, it's the daughters of the puritanical families who are shacking up and having children out of wedlock, while my sisters and myself and our friends who were also allowed to read manga and play video games who have kept our characters untarnished, to put it in a Victorian way.

Blogger SirHamster February 06, 2017 2:54 PM  

Love the new cover. Looking forward to seeing more like it.

Anonymous BBGKB February 06, 2017 2:56 PM  

"I've done a fair amount of free proofreading for you over the last few months, but please don't email me again requesting any more."

Hello fellow white alt right people I have been a traitor at your gate for the last few months but if you don't like me letting in moslems & shitlibs ...

Blogger Gaiseric February 06, 2017 2:59 PM  

Dave wrote:Safe spaces not available on this blog. I believe BBGKB is running a sale on fainting couches.
I believe he's fresh out, actually.

Blogger TheDanielsaur February 06, 2017 3:03 PM  

I consider myself alt-right and I voted for Trump, but it's amazing how quickly you folks will turn on someone who expresses what you deem to be the alt-right's version of badthink.

Blogger Gaiseric February 06, 2017 3:06 PM  

Student in Blue wrote:There's also a difference between people dictating how Vox *ought* to behave via concern trolling, and people who are wondering and possibly concerned.
I agree; and if it weren't for the smug concern troll style of too many of these, I'd be inclined to by sympathetic.

But honestly; anyone who would avoid taking their kids to the Louvre or the Sistine Chapel because OMG, Delacroix and Michelangelo showed some bare breasts! doesn't deserve very much sympathy even at the best of times.

Blogger Gaiseric February 06, 2017 3:07 PM  

TheDanielsaur wrote:I consider myself alt-right and I voted for Trump, but it's amazing how quickly you folks will turn on someone who expresses what you deem to be the alt-right's version of badthink.
Didn't you say you were going away? Had to get in a few last, snarky words first?

Blogger Alexander February 06, 2017 3:08 PM  

Heh, and here I was thinking that things have really toned down on the cover art since Iron Chamber of Memory.

Blogger Yollo February 06, 2017 3:20 PM  

TheDanielsaur wrote:I consider myself alt-right and I voted for Trump, but it's amazing how quickly you folks will turn on someone who expresses what you deem to be the alt-right's version of badthink.

*sighs* white guys...

Chill out and drink a mocha frapuccino or something.

Blogger Joshua_D February 06, 2017 3:21 PM  

TheDanielsaur wrote:I consider myself alt-right and I voted for Trump, but it's amazing how quickly you folks will turn on someone who expresses what you deem to be the alt-right's version of badthink.

I thought you were leaving?

Blogger Joshua_D February 06, 2017 3:22 PM  

Camilla Cameo wrote:I did the illustrations for a Catholic children's chapter book and the author absolutely loved the work I did, and most of the Amazon reviews mentioned it as one of the good things they listed about the book. However, while the sequel was in the early stages, the author emailed me out of the blue saying that since they looked in my online galleries and found I'd also drawn and painted women with cleavage, legs, and midriffs exposed, my work and my name were antithetical to evangelization and I would not be illustrating the sequel.

It's crazy how much puritanism in regards to the human form in art has spread among the traditional Christian homeschooling types. I grew up squarely in these circles and it's insane. In our weekly homeschool group, there were parents who wouldn't let their kids play video games, see any media of Japanese origin, read any comics; there were even ones who wouldn't let their kids read for pleasure, only for education or spirituality. My mother was art teacher for this group and she got blowback for printing out the Sistine Chapel ceiling and hanging it on the classroom ceiling. Interestingly enough, it's the daughters of the puritanical families who are shacking up and having children out of wedlock, while my sisters and myself and our friends who were also allowed to read manga and play video games who have kept our characters untarnished, to put it in a Victorian way.


I guess they have to cut out the more graphic portions of the Bible as well.

Blogger VFM #7634 February 06, 2017 3:29 PM  

Interestingly enough, it's the daughters of the puritanical families who are shacking up and having children out of wedlock, while my sisters and myself and our friends who were also allowed to read manga and play video games who have kept our characters untarnished, to put it in a Victorian way.

@76 Camilla Cameo
Good point.

AM, you really need to read this.

If the Catholic Church had been as Puritan as you appear inclined to believe it would be, it would have put those Greco-Roman figures of Aphrodite or Venus or whatever other women on the Index of Forbidden Statues.

Blogger VFM #7634 February 06, 2017 3:31 PM  

I consider myself alt-right and I voted for Trump, but it's amazing how quickly you folks will turn on someone who expresses what you deem to be the alt-right's version of badthink.

@80 TheDanielsaur
Oh, so you're an Alt-Gamma. Do you have swastika panties too?

Blogger Alexander February 06, 2017 3:38 PM  

If you don't respect me like you should, I will never sleep with... never talk to... never VOTE for the alt-right ever again.

Anonymous robwbright February 06, 2017 3:39 PM  

"rycamor wrote:Honestly, sex is on any man's mind when he sees an attractive woman, clothed or not. It's just that normal men don't obsess about it because they are getting plenty at home.

Teenage boys? They will obsess about it no matter what you do.


But... but... even thinking about sex is the same as committing adultery or fornication... Right?

Or not.

http://www.jasonstaples.com/bible/most-misinterpreted-bible-passages-1-matthew-527-28/

Anonymous I Am Irony, Man February 06, 2017 3:41 PM  

TheDanielsaur @80: "it's amazing how quickly you folks will turn on someone who expresses what you deem to be the alt-right's version of badthink."

Kinda like turning on someone who expresses what you deem to be the artistic version of badthink?

Pot/kettle....

Blogger Markku February 06, 2017 3:43 PM  

Well!

THAT ESCALATED QUICKLY!

Blogger VD February 06, 2017 3:48 PM  

To Vox Day: I don't find the cover offensive or in any way bad, but the way in which you treat your readers here is both. These snarky comments about "prudes", "puritans", whatnot... just mirror the way in which s***libs keep mocking and strawmanning Christians. Your comments are th sort of thing I would expect from some Tor published anti-Christian lefty author.

Hmm. Then perhaps I should have simply said what I actually think from the start. Let me rephrase: Our artistic choices are not your business, so keep your "constructive criticism" to yourself.

What I have read here, I wish i did not. When i came to post here, I wanted to express my good wishes. Now the only wish that i have is that excellent John C. Wright finds another small press willing to publish his work, one whose owner isn't anti-Christian.

Anti-Gamma and anti-busybody is not anti-Christian.

I consider myself alt-right and I voted for Trump, but it's amazing how quickly you folks will turn on someone who expresses what you deem to be the alt-right's version of badthink.

Shut up and go away, Gamma. We didn't turn on you, you turned on us. Now go away. You don't belong here.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 06, 2017 3:59 PM  

Just rename it: Chuck Tingle Hard Buds! and these pervos will settle down about taste.

Blogger Happy LP9 February 06, 2017 4:00 PM  

What the heck?!

The cover art is lovely, feminine, ethereal alluring, just perfect - what is the problem.

Oh I 4got, Gammas gotta gamma. The anti-art crowd is being stupid again, please gentlemen carry on the great work and the artwork is so angelic...we'd never see this anywhere else!

Blogger Jose February 06, 2017 4:12 PM  

Viidad wrote:"I don't give a flying fuck for classy and tasteful and I never have."

See: Babymetal


Compared to Kim Cardassian & her shambolic family, "Lady" Gaga, and Miley Cyrus, Babymetal is both classy and tasteful.

Blogger Happy LP9 February 06, 2017 4:15 PM  

93

Very swift as usual.

MK, to Vox to those here are NOT Tor and have interest in snarking - at no time ever since 2003 has Vox mistreated or berated anyone at HIS PLAYGROUND AND HIS OUTLET!

Everyone here is most gracious and kind and we are CELEBRATING CASTILIA TO WRIGHT.

I still love Loki's Child's cover, its ultra cute, sexy and rock n roll!!

Awesome!!

Blogger Happy LP9 February 06, 2017 4:17 PM  

97; Edit """Have =no= interest in snarking""", I know not to feed trolls but it must be stated this blog is on a whole other universe for gammas and bitchers. =Never= in all these years here was there meanness or unkindness in that the host is open to banter, debate but doesn't.care.about.snakring nullsense.

Blogger eharmonica February 06, 2017 4:24 PM  

When I was 12 I had to make do with the Sears catalog.

Blogger Happy LP9 February 06, 2017 4:32 PM  

Baby Metal, Scandal, Steropony to High and Mighty Color to the drenched in Intensity, Patriarchy, Testosterone. Also Disturbed to 69 Eyes are class acts for over 15 years!

I saw Disturbed and 69 Eyes twice; class acts, obsessed with perfection in timing and vocals and deserving of praise and full attention.

My girls LOVE baby metal choreography we practice to them for about 30 mins per session then do ballet, its a wonderful kick ass work out and the best in modern not slut dance but 'hard work' dancing.

Anonymous [] February 06, 2017 5:26 PM  

WestCiv has been pretty chill about naked women, true, but not about naked underaged women, developed or not.
>you're such a prude, it's just the human body, guh
t. every SlutWalk participant

Blogger Markku February 06, 2017 5:53 PM  

We understand the nature of your concern, we just don't take it seriously.

Anonymous NZT February 06, 2017 6:01 PM  

For my money the DoD cover looks intriguing, and the new SKS cover is absolutely phenomenal.

People complaining about muh indecency: go dance a jig. It's fine. John C. Wright is a serious Christian and if he signed off on it then it's good enough for me. Having read Iron Chamber of Memory and SKS I know he takes questions of temptation to sexual sin very seriously and has his reasons for choosing such a cover.

This reminds me: I've wanted for a while to get some spare cash together and commission an illustrator to do some unofficial character portraits for the Golden Age trilogy. I'm thinking at minimum Phaethon, Daphne, Helion, Atkins, Rhadamanthus (in penguin form), and a couple others I won't list for spoiler reasons. They're all extremely vivid and compelling characters and I've often wanted to see what a decent illustrator could do with them.

Blogger Brian Niemeier February 06, 2017 6:03 PM  

"We don't do classy and tasteful. We will never do it."

*salutes*

Blogger John Wright February 06, 2017 6:36 PM  

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Blogger John Wright February 06, 2017 6:42 PM  

@18
@52

Mercy, masters. I am writing as swiftly as pen flies. Nowhither is not forgotten. I have 27 thousand words of a projected 60 thousand written, and it is outlined and eager to be written. But it is not the current project under my hand.

You will be well pleased with the work when it comes, I predict, and I hope to finish it this year: but, alas, I have another book and a half to finish before I return to it.

Blogger Flyover Pilgrim February 06, 2017 6:44 PM  

Read it this afternoon.

Great fun!
Too short!

Blogger Student in Blue February 06, 2017 6:57 PM  

@Gaiseric
But honestly; anyone who would avoid taking their kids to the Louvre or the Sistine Chapel because OMG, Delacroix and Michelangelo showed some bare breasts! doesn't deserve very much sympathy even at the best of times.

True enough.

@robwbright
http://www.jasonstaples.com/bible/most-misinterpreted-bible-passages-1-matthew-527-28/

Very interesting. Thank you for the link. It's the first time I've seen that particular case argued.

Anonymous XanthanGun February 06, 2017 6:59 PM  

Bought it! A new John C. Wright book makes my day.

Anonymous VFM #6306 February 06, 2017 7:15 PM  

You are not losing a customer, John. You are gaining a battalion of teenagers who are happy to finally see Dejah Thoris as God and Burroughs intended her to be portrayed on a book cover.

Blogger John Wright February 06, 2017 7:26 PM  

@111

"You are not losing a customer, John. You are gaining a battalion of teenagers who are happy to finally see Dejah Thoris as God and Burroughs intended her to be portrayed on a book cover"

You have fast reflexes. After writing a comment to the effect that even Puritans are valued and precious customers, I decided that sticking my oar in to a tiff between my customers and my editor was above my pay grade.

Honestly, I thought the cover was a little too close to the line of being risque, but not over the line.

The editor asked my advice, and I approved the cover and stand by that decision.

This is a matter where reasonable men can differ, and if a customer thinks I chose poorly, I cannot argue, for the customer is always right.

But I also do cartooning myself (I drew the interior illos for my wife's book UNEXPECTED ENLIGHTENMENT OF RACHEL GRIFFIN) so out of sympathy for how hard it is to capture the elusive mood and flavor of a book in one arresting image, my first concern is not to offend nor drive away the artist's muse.

I think the cover art is beautiful.

Blogger John Wright February 06, 2017 7:28 PM  

@109
"Bought it! A new John C. Wright book makes my day."

A satisfied patron makes my day. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

(You see how capitalism brings out good will between chance met strangers?)

Anonymous Alexandru February 06, 2017 7:41 PM  

"We don't do classy and tasteful. We will never do it."

What makes me a daily reader here!

I'm going to be honest, I think the new covers are a huge improvement over the old. I bought The Iron Chamber of Memory on the strength of the cover.

If you guys continue with fantastic cover like this you will smoke the competition in the art department. Neo-Classical/Romantic style is perfect for fantasy.

OpenID frankluke February 06, 2017 7:58 PM  

At this rate, my to-be-read pile will never be depleted.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab February 06, 2017 8:49 PM  

Like my grandma used to say, "the girls going to catch pneumonia."

Blogger Resident Moron™ February 06, 2017 10:47 PM  

Read faster. Purchased late last night, local time, and well into it. Intrigued to see when/how/if it hooks into the Swan Knight's Son story arc.

Blogger Happy LP9 February 07, 2017 12:21 AM  

Mr. Wright and the Staff at CH; thank you for all you do! I am so thrilled!

I love your work, please ignore the critics which you already do but the purpose of this post was and is an amazing exciting release of a new book, the cover art to the story is just AWESOME!

One day I am going to buy the entire inventory at Castilia House, I love the authors THAT much! So great.

My idea of a real par-tay is a few great books, some water, comfy chair aftera long workout, a nice place to sit outside and read and doze off while reading.

Blogger wreckage February 07, 2017 3:06 AM  

Wright's work celebrates a conservative vision of femininity and female physical beauty as expressions of great and cosmic values.

I think to really allude to that without an outright nude is pretty difficult; a cover for such a book has to walk certain lines in order to bring the imagination of the buyer/reader into line with an aesthetic and philosophy where "looking cool" in the overdone modern YA aesthetic manner, has been discarded in favour of a more primal and pure idea of beauty.

TO juxtapose the female form as beauty, with actual moral characters, is doing everyone a service, in combating the "no offense or controversy but everyone over 12 is having sex" modern commercial aesthetic, which is lukewarm water, drunk straight: pathetic, weak, cheap covers containing relationships, characters and sex that are all, likelwise, pathetic, weak, and cheap.

Blogger wreckage February 07, 2017 8:13 AM  

Instead of juxtapose, try "present alongside" and just mash that sentence til it works. I tried to put too much in too short and it went FFFTTHPT

Anonymous One Deplorable DT February 08, 2017 12:45 AM  

Saw this post...ignored the comments...came back because of the analysis at Alpha Game.

Scantily clad cover. Teenage boys. Won't someone think of their purity? I'm literally shaking...

...with laughter. I was once a teenage boy at a strict private high school. Girl's skirts had to meet a minimum length or they were sent home to change. All to protect the purity of the boys in school.

Anyone care to guess how smoking hot I thought my female classmates looked in their Sunday dresses? There wasn't a pure thought within a mile of my mind on chapel days.

You aren't going to protect "innocent young men" because there's no such thing. Unless you wrap every woman in a burka. Which...if the middle east is any guide...causes them to turn on each other. And on goats.

And won't someone think of the goats?

While I'm posting I'll say sometimes Vox comes off a bit harsh. Not this time, because this is ridiculous. But sometimes.

It's part of his charm. Take it in stride and move on. It's not worth getting bent and missing out on all the fun.

Blogger Doom February 08, 2017 12:58 AM  

I used to read Wright until he went wrong. I won't read another book of his. I am not interested in super femme heroes. He should have read this before he wrote that. I won't even wish him luck. Fuck him.

Blogger wreckage February 08, 2017 6:55 AM  

@121 Yes, yes... let the butthurt flow through you. Your snowflakneness has made you strong! Now, take up your flouncing and strike him down!

Blogger Doom February 08, 2017 8:25 AM  

Don't care about your stupd asshattery. You push for feminism, the one place that could shut down the whole stupidity, and you want me to give a fuck about what your cuntary suggests? If that is the system, fuck the system, and you. Shut down cuntery, and you. Whoever you really are. Death to feminism, male or female or whatever you wish to call yourself. Xhe? Fuck off.

Hiding behind masks won't help you. We HATE that sutpidity. When we pull you from behind that mask, and shove you into the light, and don't give you a way out? You'll cry like a bitch and surrender. Is that you, Wright? Or someone even more known?

Blogger Revelation Means Hope February 09, 2017 2:13 AM  

Doom, seriously, take your meds.

Blogger wreckage February 11, 2017 7:16 AM  

"and you want me to give a fuck about what your cuntary suggests"

Or you could have a squirrel what your lampshade denotes.

Either works fine.

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