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Friday, February 10, 2017

The end of dual-citizenship

A man cannot serve two masters. Jesus Christ knew it. So does Marine Le Pen:
French Jews who have dual Israeli nationality will have to give up one of their nationalities if far-right candidate Marine Le Pen is elected. The Front National leader said she would not allow citizens to hold dual citizenship in two non-European countries.
She will, however, not include Russia in the policy, stating she considers it to be part of the 'Europe of nations'. Speaking on France 2 TV, she said immigrants, and those who hold two passports, would have to surrender one of their passports - but added that this would not mean they would be deported.
Good for France. The USA and every other Western nation should institute a similar policy. Saudis and Israelis and Nigerians are no more Americans than they are Chinese or Martian. "Dual-citizenship" is a nonsensical postmodern concept that is every bit as incoherent as "gay marriage" and "sex as social construct"

After all, it's not much of a "proposition" if you don't even have to give up your previous national proposition. But I think it is a mistake to permit ANY dual-citizenship at all.

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Blogger pyrrhus February 10, 2017 11:05 AM  

In the old days, fighting for a foreign nation caused you to lose your citizenship. In WW1 this was eroded to allow Americans to fight for the allies, as I recall. Then plucky little Israel came along, more erosion. This rule needs to be reinstated, here and in France.

Blogger Silly But True February 10, 2017 11:07 AM  

I'm sure by this time next year Somalia's new American President Mohamed Abdullahi Farmajo - a resident of Grand Island, N.Y. - will be landing Somali people on Mars, hold democratic elections, and will have convinced his people to believe in freedom, liberty, and the rule of law.

With his experience as the Commissioner for Equal Employment at the New York State Department of Transportation in Buffalo, I'm sure he will preside over a golden age of an ascended Somalia.

Blogger Bill February 10, 2017 11:09 AM  

U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one nationality or another. (That seems stupid) Also, a person who is automatically granted another nationality does not risk losing U.S. nationality. However, a person who acquires a foreign nationality by applying for it may lose U.S. nationality. In order to lose U.S. nationality, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign nationality voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. nationality. Now that part I agree with.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-and-dual-nationality/dual-nationality.html

Blogger The Remnant February 10, 2017 11:19 AM  

Absolutely. Dual citizenship in the U.S. is all the more ridiculous when considering that the oath of a naturalized citizen includes a renunciation of foreign allegiances. If you swear to it, you should mean it.

Blogger pyrrhus February 10, 2017 11:21 AM  

O/T Geert Wilders video on having a country....https://vid.me/e/5I2H?stats=1

Anonymous Bobby Farr February 10, 2017 11:25 AM  

@3 I think in part this rule is designed to make it difficult for Americans to unburden themselves of US citizenship and worldwide taxation. I had been looking to get rid of my US citizenship and it seems to only be possible after paying thousands in fees, subjecting yourself to numerous tax and travel penalties and jumping through other bureaucratic hoops.

Anonymous The OASF February 10, 2017 11:37 AM  

Good for her. La Pen has been courageously fighting this battle for going on 20 years.

We will need her more than ever as Trump is going to be sliding in 2020 alright... sliding out of the White House that is. Ironically, of course, he never really bothered to move in.

Anonymous Cantostop February 10, 2017 11:43 AM  

I hold dual (European) citizenship and I'm happy to hear this from Le Pen.

I recognize and agree with the problems of dual citizenship, especially with (((some))) holding it, and it seems at some point the USA will enact something similar. So, since I don't want to give up my European citizenship for obvious, selfish reasons, I hope if/when the USA addresses it it'll follow a pursue a similar policy.

Then again, who knows... maybe by then America will be Great Again.

Anonymous Fed Up Aussie February 10, 2017 11:46 AM  

It recently came to light that one of Australia's leftist politicians is an Iranian citizen, completely against our law, and yet no action has been taken by our 'conservative' Prime Minister.

Dual citizens, at least those with an Australian passport, can also draw a pension from Australia while living in another country and drawing on their pension too.

The no dual citizenship rule should extend to military, police, civil servants and the judiciary at a minimum though I would like to see it scrapped altogether in Australia and all dual citizens to be immediately stripped off their Aussie citizenship and deported.

Blogger pyrrhus February 10, 2017 11:58 AM  

@7 Trump's hypothetical problems in 2020 assume that the Dems can come up with a candidate who isn't a gay black muslim who has called for the extermination of whites....

OpenID paworldandtimes February 10, 2017 12:06 PM  

A lot of those generous acts, such as dual citizenship or comfortable accommodations of refugees, have come from the disruptions of European World Wars, where fellow Whites were the beneficiaries.

But now that this generosity has been extended to the rest of the world, the phrase "and that's why can't have nice things" comes to the fore.

PA

OpenID brefaucheux February 10, 2017 12:09 PM  

Completely agree. Le Pen clearly has brass ovaries. I would love to see other countries follow in line and have the same policy. Dual citizenship is madness.

Blogger Elizabeth February 10, 2017 12:15 PM  

Wow. Great!

Dual citizenship was not allowed in the US until 1967, when a Polish-born US citizen (and Communist) also cast a vote in an Israeli election. Figures.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Afroyim_v._Rusk

Blogger Jew613 February 10, 2017 12:23 PM  

I think this law, when its enacted will be very good. It will encourage Jews to come home to Israel as they won't feel welcome in France. Better they come pleasantly by choice then to be thrown out by force.

As an aside it costs $2350 to renounce American citizenship a good first step to reducing the number of dual citizens would be to lower that to some nominal fee.

Blogger Ingot9455 February 10, 2017 12:27 PM  

@7 That's why they're looking for older white Movie and TV stars to run. They think it's all a question of training and charisma score.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents February 10, 2017 12:28 PM  

Dual citizenship is just another aspect of metropolitian globalism. The "citizen of the world" fashionistas like it. Of course the first US dual citizens held a passport from Israel. Probably that was guilt-tripped into existence, because Holocaust.

It's like having an "open marriage".

Anonymous 11B February 10, 2017 12:35 PM  

I like how she considers Russia part of the family of Europe.

Anonymous Nande Darou February 10, 2017 12:36 PM  

But what good does this actually do? What am I missing here?
Even if France does not recognize Israeli citizenship, Israel still does.
China, etc would still recognize the native citizenship....

For example, I'm Brazilian -, if I lived in the U.S. and the U.S. required me to acquire American citizenship and renounce Brazilian citizenship, it wouldn't matter, because Brazil would still recognize my native citizenship.

What is the benefit to Americans/Euros here?

Blogger John timken February 10, 2017 12:37 PM  

I hope Le Pen can achieve the near impossible, but I note here in the UK, and I'm sure in France too, all the MSM are leading with the headline, "Le Pen pledges to strip French Jews of their duel citizenship." It's being sold as an antisemitic policy to buttress the meme, Le Pen = Nazi.

Anonymous Azimus February 10, 2017 12:43 PM  

Point of order - I had thought that Jewish people were automatically citizens of Israel? Or is the right of return something short of citizenship? If it is a birth-citizenship, how would a French Jew decline their Israeli citizenship?

Blogger dc.sunsets February 10, 2017 12:44 PM  

I've said for some time that no person with divided loyalty (or even a welcoming 2nd home to repair to if they shit the banquet here) should EVER be allowed any voice at all in the governing of any aspect of this nation.

That includes ownership of any media organ or participation in any politically active organization.

Instant deportation. Asset-stripping, too.

They can vote or agitate to plant the seeds of our RUIN, then walk away, leaving those of us with nowhere else to call home to reap the bitter harvest.

I want such people dead.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 10, 2017 12:48 PM  

@16 true. they like the idea of f-ing around and then leaving once too many of those they screw are infected with STDs. Like a pestilence, they move on once their hosts are stripped of all value.

Death to the cosmopolitan "elites."

Blogger Jew613 February 10, 2017 12:55 PM  

Azimus wrote:Point of order - I had thought that Jewish people were automatically citizens of Israel? Or is the right of return something short of citizenship? If it is a birth-citizenship, how would a French Jew decline their Israeli citizenship?

The Right of Return makes it that any Jew can acquire Israeli citizenship by right of being born a Jew or conversion to Judaism. But a Jew has to exercise that right by coming home to Israel or at least desiring to do so. If a Jew has foreign citizenship and never makes Aliyah they don't receive Israeli citizenship.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Hair February 10, 2017 12:58 PM  

"Absolutely. Dual citizenship in the U.S. is all the more ridiculous when considering that the oath of a naturalized citizen includes a renunciation of foreign allegiances. If you swear to it, you should mean it."

@4 That's where an amendment to the Constitution may come in handy.

"@3 I think in part this rule is designed to make it difficult for Americans to unburden themselves of US citizenship and worldwide taxation. I had been looking to get rid of my US citizenship and it seems to only be possible after paying thousands in fees, subjecting yourself to numerous tax and travel penalties and jumping through other bureaucratic hoops."

@6 My understanding, at least during the Cold War, was you walk into a U.S. Embassy, ask to renounce your citizenship, and turn over your passport. It might be more complicated today.

"It recently came to light that one of Australia's leftist politicians is an Iranian citizen, completely against our law, and yet no action has been taken by our 'conservative' Prime Minister.

Dual citizens, at least those with an Australian passport, can also draw a pension from Australia while living in another country and drawing on their pension too."

@9 That's ridiculous. The same thing happens here Stateside. Australia is not alone in that, trust me.

"But what good does this actually do? What am I missing here?
Even if France does not recognize Israeli citizenship, Israel still does.
China, etc would still recognize the native citizenship...."

@18 If an Israeli who was a French citizen too committed a crime in France, they'd be denied consular access from the Israeli embassy. That'd be a plus.

"...but I note here in the UK, and I'm sure in France too, all the MSM are leading with the headline, "Le Pen pledges to strip French Jews of their duel citizenship." It's being sold as an antisemitic policy to buttress the meme, Le Pen = Nazi."

@19 Would you expect anything different?

Here's to hoping Le Pen does this.

Anonymous Jed Ekert February 10, 2017 12:59 PM  

Meanwhile, the NFL moves closer to full convergence. I hereby call for the revocation of Roger Goodell's citizenship.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-texas-super-bowls-20170210-story.html

Blogger Chris Mallory February 10, 2017 1:09 PM  


"how would a French Jew decline their Israeli citizenship?"

By not having an Israeli passport. It looks like she is basing the policy on what passports you have.

Anonymous Opus February 10, 2017 1:10 PM  

My thoughts entirely (for some time now): but I know one person with triple nationality, who as he is married to a woman from a fourth country may for all I know have quadruple nationality. Predictably he was anti-brexit (not that he is English) and I have thus severed my ties with him.

Anonymous Azimus February 10, 2017 1:18 PM  

@ 23. @ 26. Thank you

Blogger Sagramore February 10, 2017 1:26 PM  

Knew a guy who had four (US, Canada, France, HMS Israel) and he was quite upset when I offhandedly repeated it. Why was that, Golan?

Anonymous Cantostop February 10, 2017 1:27 PM  

@Jew613
"As an aside it costs $2350 to renounce American citizenship a good first step to reducing the number of dual citizens would be to lower that to some nominal fee."

Yep. Up from $450 a couple years ago. And the number of USA renunciations has continued to grow.

I have a close, high-earning friend who renounced US for his (formerly dual) European citizenship, mostly to avoid taxes. I think most abroad can empathize with doing so, and have considered it themselves if they have the option... Clinton, then Bush, then the Magic Negro - no end in sight... FATCA, global tax slavery, etc.

I had a conversation with him not long ago, and he seemed hopeful that Trump would consider reinstating citizenship for those who had given it up.

Before 2015, no one expected the God-Emperor to come along to try to save us. I don't know how you guys feel, but I hope people like my friend can get it back, even if he has to give up his European passport to do so.

@Jew613
"The Right of Return makes it that any Jew can acquire Israeli citizenship by right of being born a Jew or conversion to Judaism. But a Jew has to exercise that right by coming home to Israel or at least desiring to do so. If a Jew has foreign citizenship and never makes Aliyah they don't receive Israeli citizenship."

If someone receives Israeli citizenship, and renounces it in France let's say, would Israel still recognize them as citizens? As the guy above said about Brazil.

Even if not, say someone hadn't applied yet, the person could get it automatically just by being Jewish. So the French ban on dual citizenship for non-European citizenships would have to be extended to those French who could automatically be granted a non-European citizenship for the policy to serve its purpose. I'm sure there are other non-European countries that do this, if a mother or father was born somewhere, for example, but France could enact a tailored policy for each country that does.

Israel seems unique in this though... just by being Jewish you can get it. Thus, for the French policy to service its purpose, Jews would have to be banned entirely as long as Israel has this policy of right to return, no?

Blogger sykes.1 February 10, 2017 1:46 PM  

Le Pen is far right only in the European context. Her party, like virtually every party in Europe, is a full-blow socialist party, albeit a nationalist-socialist party. During the Obama years, she repeatedly claimed to be to the left of Obama and the Democrats. The blog NO PARASAN! has the details.

Anonymous Lab Guy February 10, 2017 1:55 PM  

Some of 'God's chosen people' are a problem. Probably not the one's at the local synagogue but those in the chambers of power regardless of administration.

US Politicians Who Hold Dual US/Israeli Citizenship

http://american3rdposition.com/?p=12767


Bad Jew Bad Jew
Whatcha you going to do
Whatcha going to do when they build gas chambers and ovens for you,
Bad Jew Bad Jew

Just a musing......

Blogger Dirk Manly February 10, 2017 2:00 PM  

This is going to force not obly Jews, but Tel Aviv, also, to make a decision. I expect Tel Aviv to go with the letter, bit bot the spirit of such a law.

Blogger Jew613 February 10, 2017 2:10 PM  

Cantostop wrote:
@Jew613

"The Right of Return makes it that any Jew can acquire Israeli citizenship by right of being born a Jew or conversion to Judaism. But a Jew has to exercise that right by coming home to Israel or at least desiring to do so. If a Jew has foreign citizenship and never makes Aliyah they don't receive Israeli citizenship."

If someone receives Israeli citizenship, and renounces it in France let's say, would Israel still recognize them as citizens? As the guy above said about Brazil.

Even if not, say someone hadn't applied yet, the person could get it automatically just by being Jewish. So the French ban on dual citizenship for non-European citizenships would have to be extended to those French who could automatically be granted a non-European citizenship for the policy to serve its purpose. I'm sure there are other non-European countries that do this, if a mother or father was born somewhere, for example, but France could enact a tailored policy for each country that does.

Israel seems unique in this though... just by being Jewish you can get it. Thus, for the French policy to service its purpose, Jews would have to be banned entirely as long as Israel has this policy of right to return, no?


To formally renounce Israeli citizenship is pretty easy. First have a second citizenship. Then go to the nearest Israeli consulate fill out some paperwork, pay a nominal fee(around $125) and surrender your passport. The request has to be formally approved by the Ministry of interior; then you're no longer a citizen. So the situation is different from Brazil.

There are some other countries with a similar system for acquiring citizenship such as Ireland and Hungary who will give a passport to anyone with at least one Irish or Hungarian grandparent. Though those are both European nations so the situation is different. India and Argentina also allowing the easy acquirement of citizenship to those with ancestry in the respective countries.

To get Israeli citizenship you normally have to come to Israel. The only exception is a special case where a foreign government refuses to allow a Jew to emigrate to Israel. Since they'd have to leave at least temporarily to get citizenship a full ban on Jews a full ban wouldn't be necessary to fulfil the goals of the policy. Though I think the days of Jews in France are numbered regardless of this law.

Blogger APL February 10, 2017 2:15 PM  

From the link, this seems to be happening in the UK too. When the Asian rapists in Rochdale were imprisoned, the UK 'Home office' seems to have been considering stripping them of their UK passports - one of the guys has been in the UK since he was fifteen. But has still kept his Pakistani passport.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-38909352

Anonymous DJF February 10, 2017 2:16 PM  

A major case which changed US laws on duel citizenship happened in 1967, Afroyim v. Rusk. A communist Jew born in Poland as Ephraim Bernstein, came to the US and got citizenship, then went to Israel and got citizenship and voted in Israel elections and then came back to the US where his citizenship was revoked because he voted in a foreign election and lied about it.

The Supreme Court (Warren Court) reversed previous decisions and allowed duel citizens

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroyim_v._Rusk

Blogger Nick S February 10, 2017 2:31 PM  

@22

Have you seen THIS, dc? It's not directly related, but it intersects on many levels when you dig into it.

Blogger Kona Commuter February 10, 2017 2:33 PM  

I believe that the Australian Government allowed dual citizenship because Greeks are not allowed to renounce their Greek citizenship.

The correct answer to this would have been to either (1) not allow Greeks to become Australian citizens or (2) Tell Greece to GF themselves, & tell the New Australians with Greek Citizenship to renounce their Greek Citizenship and further they can never ever return to Greece

Blogger Kona Commuter February 10, 2017 2:38 PM  

@ FEDUP Aussie

I don't consider the Federal Government to be legitimate because of this http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/malcolm-turnbull-calls-out-racial-and-religious-discrimination-after-recent-poll-on-muslims/ar-BBxdUuq?li=AA4RE4&ocid=spartanntp

Quote - Mr Shorten also noted the level of diversity in Parliament, saying that all but five politicians "are exclusively migrants or the descendants of migrants".

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 10, 2017 2:41 PM  

What are Le Pen's chances?

I am really not up to speed on the French Deep State. Even though it has always operated more openly than it's American counterpart.

They have a much longer tradition of narrative being more important than fact. Prime example: The Dreyfus Affair.

I also don't know how stable the Fifth Republic is these days. Considering that it was a limited monarchy that DeGaulle designed with only himself in mind it's done pretty well.

Anonymous rienzi February 10, 2017 2:47 PM  

My little grandsons have dual US/Norwegian citizenship, and passports from both countries. The US could care less, but when they turn 22 the Norwegian govt. will force them to choose which country they want to belong to.

Works for me. Such important decisions should be made by the person as an adult, not made for, or by you, as a child. Hopefully it will be a difficult decision between two prosperous and free first world countries, and not one featuring one or both countries as third world dumps.

Blogger tz February 10, 2017 3:17 PM  

OT - Up from Gamma?
It seems Cruz may be learning something from the God-Emperor

My main problem with Cruz is I expected him to wimp out if he was president. Now he's turning into attack dog. Can we replace Mitch McCuckold with Cruz?

Well, he was prophesied to be President. President of the Senate?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 10, 2017 3:28 PM  

Cruz was nevar Gamma, or even Beta. Did you see the hot chicks he was banging?
He's a Sigma, with all the sociopathic traits that go with that.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 10, 2017 3:29 PM  

And the links points to Cruz saying "Dems R Real Raaaaaciss!"
Not a winner, and certainly not learning from Trump

Blogger David Power February 10, 2017 3:29 PM  

Marine Le Pen also has a tenacious niece who is completely on message.

This is a great clip of her putting a French feminist to the sword:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J4ucnCYdfOU

Anonymous aegis-1080 February 10, 2017 3:29 PM  

@42

The turtle is just as self-serving but he bended the knee and now at least serves competently the God-Emperor. Cruz was given a chance to do the same and he refused, instead doing his "last stand" at the RNC. He can enjoy the wilderness.

Blogger Robert Divinity February 10, 2017 3:37 PM  

Speaking of dual citizens the God Emperor just rejected Elliott Abrams, the Neocon and NeverTrumper, but I repeat myself, as Deputy Secretary of Defense. This is an "amen" moment.

Anonymous BBGKB February 10, 2017 3:38 PM  

Some preppers advise to have a "spare" passport from another nation (with your picture but not necessarily your name) in order to escape a collapse. Sovereignman covers the easiest ways to get "spare" passports. Estaban Guapo can go places BGKB can't.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 10, 2017 4:27 PM  

BBGKB wrote:Some preppers advise to have a "spare" passport from another nation (with your picture but not necessarily your name) in order to escape a collapse.

Another reason never to trust "preppers". When times get really tough, a man who has another place to go is looking to time his exit.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 10, 2017 4:32 PM  

@ BBGKB I wish it was that simple to elude the Eye of Sauron. I'm highly suspicious of those who promise relative anonymity these days.

Blogger SteelPalm February 10, 2017 4:37 PM  

It's a reasonable policy, although speaking as someone born in Moscow (and with a tiny bit of white French blood in my veins), the exemption of Russia is silly. French and Russians have about as much in common as French and Israelis do.

And that's before one remembers Russia's unfortunately large population of various Muslim groups.

Vox's proposition of outlawing all duel citizenship is better than Le Pen's.

Anonymous 11B February 10, 2017 5:20 PM  

the exemption of Russia is silly.

Why? It's part of Europe and is historically a Christian nation.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 10, 2017 5:35 PM  

11B wrote:Why? It's part of Europe and is historically a Christian nation.
Chechnya

Anonymous 11B February 10, 2017 5:42 PM  

How does Chechnya negate that Russian ethnics are Europeans who have been historically adherents of Christianity?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 10, 2017 6:01 PM  

Taht isn't the exemption. The exemption is for Russian *citizens*, which includes Chechnyans and millions of other central Asian Moslem tribes.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 10, 2017 6:08 PM  

Israel is a diverse and vibrant country the Jews will be fine there, don't worry about them.

Same goes for the Mexican woman recently deported, she too has a diverse and vibrant country called Mexico and Mexico in all it vibrant diverse splendor wants her

Anonymous 11B February 10, 2017 6:15 PM  

The exemption is for Russian *citizens*, which includes Chechnyans and millions of other central Asian Moslem tribes.

If that is your metric, then shouldn't you be worried that the UK has an exemption? After all what about Londonistan? Are Bosnia, Kosovo and Albania excluded? I did not see where the latter three were. If you are not going to exclude them, why exclude Russia?

And if you permitted Israel the exemption, would you not also be exempting her muslim population too?

Anonymous Hunsdon February 10, 2017 6:30 PM  

This is the best news I have heard all day.

Blogger SteelPalm February 10, 2017 6:34 PM  

@52 Why? It's part of Europe and is historically a Christian nation.

You are historically and culturally ignorant.

Snidely Whiplash is absolutely correct about the Chechens, (and the Dargins, and the Azerbajanians, and the Avars, all of which are Asian Muslim tribes in addition to being Russian citizens) but that is not even the main reason.

Just because part of Russia is geographically in Europe and far less than half the white population is part of the Eastern Orthodox Church (which is very different from French Catholicism and was largely BANNED until the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991) doesn't mean Russians have much in common with Frenchmen. They don't. Only a provincial non-European would think they do.

And yes, Bosnia, Kosovo, and Albania should ABSOLUTELY be excluded. Any duel citizenship should be banned, as Vox noted.

Blogger SirHamster February 10, 2017 6:57 PM  

One upside of duel citizens is that they're much more polite.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr February 10, 2017 7:12 PM  

@41: Concur. A minor should have a choice. I'm still convinced this is the game Obama played...and why his college transcripts never came out.

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 February 10, 2017 7:28 PM  

If passports weren't a means of government coercion I'd feel better about this. You cannot travel or live abroad without one and the US commonly revokes existing or denies new passports for a litany of "crimes" based on financial concerns - child support and taxes for example.

So a woman you don't know puts your name down as the daddy in California when she signs up for WIC. You don't receive the letter telling you this because you live/work abroad so you miss the 30 days to challenge same. You first find out about it when you go to renew your passport and suddenly "owe" tens of thousands of dollars in child support. You don't have the money. You must now return to the US where you are thrown into jail until you pay and if you can't you'll be recycled (put in for 6 months, re-arrested, wash rinse repeat). This happens a lot. This also is true now for taxes and I expect student loans and medical bills will be added soon enough.

Yes yes yes it ain't about *me*. 2nd passports are needed at present to escape the often encountered individually ladled out tyranny the US delights in so I hope the US doesn't go down this road anytime soon. Its one of the few redeeming features of US citizenship at present.

Anonymous Just wondering February 10, 2017 7:32 PM  

@51
Vox's proposition of outlawing all duel citizenship is better than Le Pen's.



How does this duel citizenship thing work? Do my seconds call on the government and challenge them, or can I just walk into the Post Office with my gauntlet in hand and start slapping the man at the passport window?

Anonymous 11B February 10, 2017 7:39 PM  

far less than half the white population is part of the Eastern Orthodox Church

What percentage of the white population of the Netherlands, Luxembourg and other Euro nations are members of a church? In some Euro nations you will soon have more practicing muslims than Christians. Why should those nations get exemptions?

Eastern Orthodox Church (which is very different from French Catholicism

Orthodox Churches are more similar to the Catholic Church in ways some Protestant sects are not. Practicing Catholics can attend an Orthodox service and have a general understanding about what is happening despite the language barrier. Ditto for the Orthodox Christian in a Catholic Church. And if being an Orthodox Christian is at odds with being French, then I suppose we should exclude the Serbs, Bulgarians and Greeks too.

doesn't mean Russians have much in common with Frenchmen.

In some ways the Greeks are more culturally similar at this point to Turks and Arabs than they are to the French. Should they be excluded?

Russia has a 1000 year history of Christianity, and though the bolsheviks attempted to exterminate it, it appears to have more green shoots now than Christianity does in most other parts of Europe.

Blogger SteelPalm February 10, 2017 7:48 PM  

@64

Reality doesn't care what you would like. It exists regardless.

Citing a recent Vox post, you trying to argue that French and Russians are similar would be like someone arguing the Goths and Romans had a lot in common. After all, both were white Europeans and Christian! Hell, their forms of Christianity were a lot closer than French Catholicism and Russian Eastern Orthodox are. How did that turn out?

No one should get an exemption. And yes, that includes Serbs, Bulgarians, Greeks, and anyone else non-French. How many fucking times does this have to repeated for you?

Either be a citizen of France or leave to be a citizen of another country. None of this special pleading bullshit.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club February 10, 2017 7:52 PM  

My understanding, at least during the Cold War, was you walk into a U.S. Embassy, ask to renounce your citizenship, and turn over your passport. It might be more complicated today.

The IRS just has a few questions for you before you go . . .

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/expatriation-tax#_What_to_do_if you haven't filed a F

Anonymous 11B February 10, 2017 7:57 PM  

No one should get an exemption. And yes, that includes Serbs, Bulgarians, Greeks, and anyone else non-French. How many fucking times does this have to repeated for you?

Then why was most of the angst directed against Russia? I didn't see people complain that Greeks were getting a pass. I didn't see them complain that the residents of Londonistan were getting a pass.

I am all for eliminating dual citizenship. but the tenor of the complaints seemed to be directed against the Russian exemption, not the others.

By all means ban dual citizenship for all.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) February 10, 2017 8:01 PM  

at a minimum, it is absurd that people with dual citizenship are permitted to hold high executive position with any nation.

*many* of our worst espionage cases have involved ((( You Know Who ))). whether spying for Israel of Soviet Russia, this is a major problem.

Blogger SteelPalm February 10, 2017 8:10 PM  

@68

To be fair, this goes both ways, and has for several decades now. A recent example;

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-spy-net-on-israel-snares-congress-1451425210

But yes, the Rosenbergs, for instance, were absolutely Soviet communist spies for the KGB and I'm glad they were executed. It was a saner time.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 10, 2017 8:15 PM  

11B wrote:Then why was most of the angst directed against Russia? I didn't see people complain that Greeks were getting a pass. I didn't see them complain that the residents of Londonistan were getting a pass.In the original article, (((someone)))) was complaining that Russians get a pass and (((Israelis))) don't. That's it.

And yes, you're acting like someone pissed in your personal cornflakes.

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Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 11, 2017 8:15 AM  

@SirHamster
"One upside of duel citizens is that they're much more polite."

Heh

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 11, 2017 8:18 AM  

@11B
"Then why was most of the angst directed against Russia?"

Nothing to do with a particular ethnic animosity towards Russia, I'm sure.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit February 11, 2017 9:48 AM  

SirHamster wrote:One upside of duel citizens is that they're much more polite.

Guess you haven't met many French/ Algerians, French/ Moroccans, French/ Tunisians, French/ Cote d'Ivorians. They and their ilk threaten to slit your throat while spitting in the street because they didn't like the way you looked at them...not very polite by my standards.

If they were polite they would at least say, "Merci!" for their free houses, schools, health care and lifelong welfare payments (80% of mooslims in EUrostan do not work).

Anonymous Shut up rabbit February 11, 2017 10:01 AM  

In France, nothing happens without the approval of the (((establishment))). I'm sure they are preparing themselves a get out once they have completely destroyed France and handed it to the caliphate; something like, "We had to abandon our jobs in media, government, academia and flee to Israel b/c the mean nationalists made us!"

Anonymous Discard February 11, 2017 4:12 PM  

74. Shut up rabbit: It's a joke. "Duel" as opposed to "dual".

Anonymous Shut up rabbit February 11, 2017 4:35 PM  

@76 Damn me and my dyslexia, I miss all the jeux des mots :( (and why is it so hard to spell?)

Anonymous Anonymous age 74 February 12, 2017 12:33 AM  

My view is different. In my opinion, you are not free if you cannot leave your country and move to another one, AND TAKE ALL YOUR STUFF WITH YOU including pensions you earned.

The general attitude here reminds me of Stalinist Russia.

Anonymous age 74

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