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Sunday, February 05, 2017

The God-Emperor strikes back

It's good to see that the Trump administration isn't backing down one iota to the various challenges being presented to them:
You're either with the Trump administration or you're against it.

After Uber CEO Travis Kalanick's call with President Donald Trump on Thursday and decision to quit his business-advisory council, the sentiment within the White House, according to Mike Allen of Axios, is, "If you want to cut off your access to the White House, f--- you."

That quote came to Allen from "some in Trump's inner circle," he reported. (Allen is deeply sourced within the Trump administration.)

Kalanick told Uber staff in a memo Thursday that he wouldn't attend Trump's closed-door council meeting on Friday and had quit the council after pressure from employees, drivers, and the public.
Like Gideon, the God-Emperor needs only those who are ready and willing to fight. And my prediction is that he's going to come back with a stronger, more comprehensive immigration ban, combined with large-scale repatriations, regardless of how quickly the federal judge's ridiculous order overturning his executive order is overturned... or ignored.
When President Trump ordered a vast overhaul of immigration law enforcement during his first week in office, he stripped away most restrictions on who should be deported, opening the door for roundups and detentions on a scale not seen in nearly a decade.

Some 6 million to 8 million people in the country illegally could be considered priorities for deportation, according to calculations by the Los Angeles Times. They were based on interviews with experts who studied the order and two internal documents that signal immigration officials are taking an expansive view of Trump’s directive.

Far from targeting only “bad hombres,” as Trump has said repeatedly, his new order allows immigration agents to detain nearly anyone they come in contact with who has crossed the border illegally. People could be booked into custody for using food stamps or if their child receives free school lunches.

The deportation targets are a much larger group than those swept up in the travel bans that sowed chaos at airports and seized public attention over the past week. Fewer than 1 million people came to the U.S. over the past decade from the seven countries from which most visitors are temporarily blocked.
Eight million isn't a bad start. It's a solid first step towards the full 80 million required to restore the promised pre-1965 demographic balance. It doesn't matter if you were born American in Portugal or Somalia or Russia. It doesn't matter if you have the government paperwork. You're still not American. You will never be American. Not even the adulterated American 2.0. And you have to go back.

I realize that the prospect of returning to one's ancestral homeland is not necessarily nice for everyone. Most people rather like living in a wealthy white country their parents did not, and could not, build, that they and their children cannot even maintain. And yes, hundreds of thousands of very good people will, through no fault of their own, see disruption in their lives and a decline in their living standards. And yet, I don't care, not even a little bit, because the alternative is war. The alternative is the collapse of the political entity called the United States of America into multiple ethnostates and violence on a scale that has not been seen on the continent since the American Indian was very nearly genocided and assimilated into nonexistence.

The fact that the white settlers didn't intend it didn't mean it didn't happen, any more than the fact that the architects of the 1965 Hart-Celler Act didn't intend for 85 million first- and second-generation immigrants to colonize the USA means that they didn't do so. Intentions are irrelevant. Consequences are not derived from intentions, but from actions.

Having the former global superpower collapse into Yugoslavia with nukes is a nightmare scenario for everyone on the planet, even for the Chinese, the Iranians, and the Russians, who would be inclined to welcome the removal of the US military's leash on their ambitions and strategic objectives. That is the alternative the propositionals and melting potheads and dual citizens and immigrants have chosen. They prefer political collapse and mass death to giving up their self-serving 20th-century historical myths.

I understand most people can't imagine that this is even possible, let alone the most probable outcome. Do you think the Emperor Valens ever imagined for one second that providing refuge to eight hundred thousand desperate Visigoths would lead directly to his death, the destruction of his army, the siege of Constantinople, and the Sack of Rome? Did anyone who read my column in 2002 believe that a collapse of housing prices would lead to a financial crisis six years later?

Now, I will be very surprised if the Trump administration is successful in even halfway restoring the historical demographic balance, but then, both Trump and Bannon appear to have some understanding of what is actually at stake here. No one expected Ronald Reagan to win the Cold War either, so perhaps the God-Emperor has what it takes to win the Blood War.

UPDATE: the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals refused to reinstate the executive order. They must really want him to institute martial law. Of course, that would make a lot of things easier.
A federal appeals court early Sunday denied an initial bid by the Trump administration to restore its controversial immigration order that had barred refugees and people from seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the United States.
A judge in a lower federal court had put a temporary stop to the travel ban. Because the appeals court declined to intervene immediately, affected travelers can enter until at least until Monday. The appeals court set a schedule asking challengers to the ban to file a response by roughly 3 a.m. Eastern on Monday, and the Justice Department — representing the Trump administration — to reply to that by 6 p.m. A Justice Department spokesman said government lawyers would wait until then to make their next move. “With the fast briefing schedule the appeals court laid out, we do not plan to ask the Supreme Court for an immediate stay but instead let the appeals process play out,” Peter Carr said.

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Blogger Lazarus February 05, 2017 5:46 AM  

Don't be alarmed, you modern Visigoths, the Disney Prince, Justin Trudeau, will take you in.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart February 05, 2017 5:57 AM  

SJW truly always lie :

Far from targeting only “bad hombres,” [the] new order allows immigration agents to detain nearly anyone who has crossed the border illegally.


If you cross the border illegally, you're absolutely a "bad hombre". Or a mujer mala, as the case may be.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart February 05, 2017 5:59 AM  

^ referring to the SJW of the LA Times fake news / legacy media

Blogger Sherwood family February 05, 2017 6:02 AM  

But how do we do it without precipitating the very wars we wish to avoid? I can see moving the illegals out. There is firm legal ground there. But getting from there to the rest who have undone the pre1965 demographic balance? That looks like something that either destroys the country if we leave it alone or destroys it if we try to fix it. It is like an inoperable tumor, crisscrosses with too many vital blood vessels to come out without killing the patient but which will surely kill him if left to grow.

Blogger napari February 05, 2017 6:07 AM  

Uber uses the H1B visa program to import drivers from other countries.
Clearly a conflict with Pres Trump's agenda.

Anonymous Discard February 05, 2017 6:10 AM  

Regarding Trump being only halfway successful in restoring America's 1965 racial balance: If he can expel 40 million, he can expel 80 million. Once the machinery is in place and the obstacles removed, meeting deportation goals will be as routine as a streetcar.
It will sadden me because I know and care about a lot of non-Americans, but they just don't belong here. They don't understand us and our ways. I wish them well in their native lands, and hope they might return some day as tourists.

Blogger Lazarus February 05, 2017 6:11 AM  

Sherwood family wrote:But how do we do it without precipitating the very wars we wish to avoid?

You're right. Let us do nothing. / sarc

Don't operate right away. Use drugs and radiation to shrink the tumour and then cut it out. Standard medical procedure.

Blogger Phillip George February 05, 2017 6:12 AM  

It was the Freemasons who just about codified the "Universal brotherhood of man" meme.
A white multicultist is still more dangerous than a black born again.
Anti Christ comes in a hundred brands. A "Commonwealth of Christian Estates" comes in a hundred ethnicities..

"Thy Kingdom Come" is the "Commonwealth". Trumps skin colour.

Blogger Antony February 05, 2017 6:16 AM  

A start might be to find a failed state in Africa such as Libya or Somalia, and form a sort of "New Liberia" to deport "gangstah" type convicts to on release - they could be given a small plot of land or job over there and told to turn over a new leaf and make a go of their lives.

Blogger Sherwood family February 05, 2017 6:19 AM  

But from a legal standpoint what does that look like? Getting rid of birthright citizenship is a step in that direction but that is forward looking and what Vox is talking about is retroactive. Passing English only laws moves the needle some. But what other legal steps could you take to "shrink the tumor"? I am not saying it cannot be done or should not be done but I am interested in how to do it without bloodshed, if at all possible. Buy outs for repatriation, i.e. Pay people to go back? Deals with Canada to take them? I do not know if I want all of them lurking that close to the border but it might work. What other ideas?

Blogger VD February 05, 2017 6:19 AM  

A white multicultist is still more dangerous than a black born again.

That's bullshit. There are millions of black Christians in Africa. Their children will never be capable of Western Civilization. Even a white multiculti's children will be.

What part of "in Christ" do you morons simply not understand? For some reason, you grasp the limited meaning when it is applied to "men and women", but not "Jew and Gentile".

Christianity does not define nations. It is supranational. Do you really not grasp that globalism is the Devil's perversion of Christianity?

Blogger VD February 05, 2017 6:21 AM  

But how do we do it without precipitating the very wars we wish to avoid?

If they came for financial incentives, they'll leave for them. But regardless, who cares? Do you want to fight when you have the numbers or when you are outnumbered?

Anonymous Discard February 05, 2017 6:21 AM  

4. Sherwood Family: Expel the illegals, and when the riots start, expel the legal rioters. When protests break out because we deported legals, , deport the protesters.

Or, declare war on Mexico, and arrest anyone who objects for giving aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war.

Or, revoke the citizenship of anyone who has the slightest defect in their paperwork, or has violated any part of their Oath of Allegiance, like registering Democrat. Treat naturalization like an arrest warrant: Any excuse will do to throw it out.

All that really matters is getting them out. The scars will heal. Japan was nuked twice, and is doing fine.

Blogger Shimshon February 05, 2017 6:22 AM  

As the courts and media are distracted by the "Muslim ban," Trump can ramp up immigration enforcement unhindered. Seems like a good play. Even the left doesn't possess unlimited resources. They can pursue hundreds of thousands, even millions of repatriation cases and tell the left "Due Process this, assholes." Something like that.

Blogger Phillip George February 05, 2017 6:26 AM  

Replace the Imperialism that doesn't work with one that does.

A factory like a nation is a sheltered work shop that has a fence and protects its people and produces good stuff. A pyramid doesn't require an even distribution of IQ. The Factory Works on every grunt doing their stuff.
Muhammad was wrong because he was wrong. Born in the USA, or the Arab Penninsula didn't alter his credentials in Spectacularly Wrong. Cheers

Anonymous Rocklea February 05, 2017 6:26 AM  

I was just listening to RedIce and Henrik was talking about the Swedish media insisting that migrants have rights. Henrik said surely that means that Swedish people have rights to their own nation. It sounded somewhat pathetic. Not because it was wrong, but because just saying that without the action required to achieve it will never amount to anything. Sadly, for Sweden, America and the West, bringing these 'rights' to fruition, will require the defensive reversal of the non aggression principle.

Blogger Sherwood family February 05, 2017 6:28 AM  

I would rather not have to fight them at all. But...since we are already there to some extent it is obvious that doing it before being out numbered is better. Still, I would prefer, in the best Byzantine fashion, to get them to take care of each other while leaving the rest of us out of it until we can pick off the weakened victors of their conflicts ourselves.

Blogger APL February 05, 2017 6:30 AM  

Anthony: "A start might be to find a failed state in Africa such as Libya or Somalia .."

How bout a straight swap. South African whites for American blacks?

Blogger VD February 05, 2017 6:31 AM  

Still, I would prefer, in the best Byzantine fashion, to get them to take care of each other while leaving the rest of us out of it until we can pick off the weakened victors of their conflicts ourselves.

Don't be absurd. The Byzantines took the field and fought, themselves, on many, many occasions. Their military was second-to-none, even if they utilized it judiciously. You just don't want to do anything and hope that the problem will go away on its own.

It won't.

Blogger Lazarus February 05, 2017 6:34 AM  

Sherwood family wrote:I am not saying it cannot be done or should not be done but I am interested in how to do it without bloodshed, if at all possible.

Oh, there will be blood, as they say. The idea is to minimize it.

As Spengler/Goldman once remarked, you have to make the mushy muslims more afraid of the kafir than they are of their own radicals, then they will turn them in.

It will probably work on the mexicans as well.

Blogger Antony February 05, 2017 6:37 AM  

APL - sounds ok - ditto Zimbabwe !

Anonymous W. Lindsay Wheeler February 05, 2017 6:38 AM  

Genocide takes four forms: (a) physical extermination, (b) Suppression of language and culture, (c) Ethnic Dilution--moving other nationalities into another nation's territory (d) deracination--political correctness which destroys social belonging and racial prejudice.

George Irbe points out the first three in this article "Genocide, When Necessary". http://www.interlog.com/~girbe/Engels.html

We, the WASPs, are being genocided by the 1965 Immigration Act. This act was created and instigated by Jews. It is an act of Treason and Genocide. That a State passes a law to genocide its ethnic majority---is a non-state. America is illegitimate now. The purpose of the state is to protect its people--America in 1965 decided to genocide itself.

Deportation is a must! Deport all.

Blogger Sherwood family February 05, 2017 6:38 AM  

Of course they took the field. Nobody is arguing that. But they played their enemies off of one another frequently and to great advantage in some cases. Nor am I against doing anything about the problem. I know it will not go away on its own. It is far too late for that. But you've still got "normies" that cannot stand the thought of temporarily suspending visas for Muslim countries. Moving those people to mass deportations is going to be hard enough to say nothing about restoring the demographic balance.

Anonymous trogs February 05, 2017 6:39 AM  

"No one expected Ronald Reagan to win the Cold War either, so perhaps the God-Emperor has what it takes to win the Blood War."

This sentence is really good.

Blood war, juxtaposed with cold war.... now that's a catchy, winning meme.

Blogger wreckage February 05, 2017 6:40 AM  

"Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb"

Blogger Lazarus February 05, 2017 6:47 AM  

Sherwood family wrote:But you've still got "normies" that cannot stand the thought of temporarily suspending visas for Muslim countries.

Those aren't "normies", those be "lefties".

Anonymous W. Lindsay Wheeler February 05, 2017 6:50 AM  

Ohhh, I forgot one: there are five forms that genocide takes; the fifth one is Miscegenation!

That is why there are "marriage licenses" in America. Breed is to only marry Breed. African with African. Gaelic with Gaelic. (i.e. Scots, Irish) Teuton with Teuton (Anglo-Saxon, German, Dutch, Scandanavian, French) Slav with Slav. Particularity matters. The Teuton MUST preserve himself. NO more shiskas for the Jews!

Anonymous JI February 05, 2017 6:50 AM  

"It doesn't matter if you were born American in Portugal or Somalia or Russia."
White American man and and white American wife traveling abroad and wife gives birth prematurely to a child in a foreign country and promptly return to their home in the States once the c-section has been done? That kid is genetically and culturally an American.

Blogger Phillip George February 05, 2017 6:51 AM  

Solomon's problem wasn't dark skinned women. It was their bat shit crazy paganism. He couldn't finish what he started. He couldn't grip wind. He couldn't shovel water up hill. He couldn't fix international politics with marriages.

What you did incredibly well here was smash the existing Overton Window.

Blogger Cail Corishev February 05, 2017 6:56 AM  

But they played their enemies off of one another frequently and to great advantage in some cases.

That kind of strategy may come naturally to some ethnicities and cultures, but it doesn't to white Americans, especially men. We have this thing about wanting conflict to be honest and face-to-face -- which is why we tend to delay it as long as possible, because there's no denying or soft-pedaling it when you do it that way.

A couple years ago, deporting millions of illegals seemed impossible; the optimists hoped to save off the next amnesty. Even during the campaign, there were many who said you can't deport millions, that it's just impossible. Now the same people are implying that it's so easy that Trump may kick them all out before we get them sorted properly.

Likewise, repatriation will seem impossible until it doesn't. As you noted, "normies" are starting to see the need for a Muslim ban, and that's the chink in the armor of their Melting Pot faith. Once they've admitted that there are people the Melting Pot can't assimilate, it'll be much easier for them to admit the same thing about other groups.

Blogger Fenris Wulf February 05, 2017 6:56 AM  

The welfare state is largely responsible for the wildly different birthrates between ethnic groups. Those who are willing to live like animals have large families, while those who work for a living can't afford to. First, change the welfare and tax incentives. Then, abolish all affirmative action. Then, legalize all private discrimination. Then, arm every law-abiding citizen so the underclass doesn't get any ideas. Then, start limiting the franchise. Make life very uncomfortable for criminals, parasites, and unassimilated foreigners.

This might be enough to gradually restore the demographic balance without a race war. Remember, the present situation is NOT natural, it's the product of social engineering. Most people self-segregate when left to their own devices.

Anonymous Jack February 05, 2017 7:03 AM  

Vox, what do you make of Flynn and Trump putting Iran "on notice?" Pat Buchanan thinks they're edging too close to war, and that it has more to do with Saudi and Israeli interests than American.

http://takimag.com/article/the_coming_clash_with_iran_patrick_buchanan/print

Curious to know your view of the situation.

Blogger VD February 05, 2017 7:05 AM  

But they played their enemies off of one another frequently and to great advantage in some cases.

So what? Do you think I don't know that? Do you not see the interview with John Julius Norwich on the left sidebar?

You can't expect to play different sides against each other in your own house. Divide and conquer is a strategy of imperial invaders, not the invaded. And cowardice is not a strategy.

Blogger VD February 05, 2017 7:06 AM  

Vox, what do you make of Flynn and Trump putting Iran "on notice?"

No idea. There may be things going on of which we are unaware.

Blogger Matt February 05, 2017 7:07 AM  

Explains why yhe only difference I noticed between Uber and Taxis is the car and price.

Anonymous Mathias February 05, 2017 7:07 AM  

@30,

In the opening phases of a conflict, scouts are sent to both gather information and cause chaos across a wide front, so that a main attack may be developed with reduced and divided opposition in the confusion and uncertainty.

Trump is most likely doing this to confuse his opponents, screen a move, and probe for possible responses all at once. This is good, aggressive deployment.

Blogger Matt February 05, 2017 7:10 AM  

"I would rather not have to fight them at all"

As Mad Dog Mattis has said, "The enemy gets a vote."

Blogger The Kurgan February 05, 2017 7:13 AM  

Christianity does not define nations. It is supranational. Do you really not grasp that globalism is the Devil's perversion of Christianity?

Sometimes it's good to spell things out like this Vox.
Particularly to the vastly semi-agnostic Churchian corrupted "Christians".

The one constant that keeps catching me unawares despite my deep misanthropy, is just how stupid people can be. You literally can never make enough allowance for it.

Blogger FUCK GOOGLE February 05, 2017 7:13 AM  

@10
I took his meaning to be similar to Cicero's famous quote about traitors.

Blogger Matt February 05, 2017 7:15 AM  

Black Christians are very different. IQ is real.

Blogger Sherwood family February 05, 2017 7:19 AM  

Yeah, I knew you would understand the reference which is why I made it.

You can play people off of each other in your own house. Isn't that what is happening today? You get various minorities to try tie down the majority so you can do what you want? You're saying that doesn't work the other way around? To get various weak groups to fight over the scraps to keep them at each other's throats so you can reduce them one by one? I would think a good start on that would be to encourage the Democrats to make Ellison the head of the party.

Blogger Lazarus February 05, 2017 7:22 AM  

Jack wrote:Pat Buchanan thinks they're edging too close to war, and that it has more to do with Saudi and Israeli interests than American.

Pat Buchanan may be overlooking a few things. The temporary "Muslim Ban" only affects allies of Iran. Other Muslim countries support the action. Iran has started using weapons grade uranium in its subs and testing missiles willy-nilly, demonstrating they do not have confidence in the nuke deal.

AND: Iran will stop using the US dollar as its currency of choice in its financial and foreign exchange reports from the new fiscal year that begins in March, announced the governor of the Central Bank of Iran late Saturday.

"Iran's difficulties [in dealing] with the dollar were in place from the time of the primary sanctions and this trend is continuing, but we face no limitations regarding other currencies," Valiollah Seif also said in a televised interview as reported by CBI's official news website.


Let me see, who tried that before? Oh ya. Libya and Iraq. How's that working out for them?

Anonymous DissidentRight February 05, 2017 7:24 AM  

let alone the most probable outcome

We will not go quietly into the night.

Blogger peter blandings February 05, 2017 7:25 AM  

I understand most people can't imagine that this is even possible,

oh it's easily imaginable, as is the inevitability of it. what is not imaginable is how you consider his actions so far to be a solid step. it's been ten days since he issued his travel ban and so far he has been unable to get rid of even 8 rag heads, so i don't know where you're getting this 8 MILLION number. a solid first step would have been to charge these judges with treason and thrown them in the worst prisons in the country. this is not a judicial matter. it is entirely within the purview of the executive branch and they are obstructing the president from carrying out his constitutional duties in the realm of national security. i know, you're going to call me an idiot. after that could you point out where i'm wrong. and for the record, i was for trump from day one. but i am of the opinion that he needs to come down so hard on these traitor judges that even their clerks get the message. point 2, you are in italy, i am in the u.s. and i can tell you we are ALREADY outnumbered significantly. the entire government, at all levels is completely converged. all police departments in every city and state are completely converged. the entire military, all branches, is completely converged. half of all anglo/ euros are completely converged as the vote tally shows. and of course all coloreds were born converged. we need a serious game plan here. as much as i would like to believe you're right, seeing what happened in berkley causes a little cognitive dissonance. clearly the police were ordered to stand down. on whose authority? and why isn't that bastard in custody? is there any chance you're overthinking this?

Anonymous Pasadena Mike February 05, 2017 7:29 AM  

@ 21
"But they played their enemies off of one another frequently and to great advantage in some cases."
The Byzantines used this tactic with great success many times, but there was the time they hired the Venetians to fight the Saracens in Anatolia that back fired so spectacularly that all the previous successes were moot. The Venetians did not attack the Saracens. Instead, they sacked and looted Constantinople, from which the Byzantines never fully recovered.
So...don't think you can always use your enemies to do your dirty work.

Blogger wreckage February 05, 2017 7:37 AM  

@42, if you lose the moral war, you lose the war. 4th Generation Warfare. Vox edited the handbook on it; go buy a copy. 4GW is the reality now, and has been for decades.

Action must be aggressive and controlled, not panicked and vicious.

Blogger peter blandings February 05, 2017 7:39 AM  

oh, and could you comment on the appointment of mattis as sec/def. the guy is as queer as a three dollar bill and holds views concerning russia an shithole wars that is the polar opposite of trump's. so why the appointment?

Blogger Stilicho February 05, 2017 7:39 AM  

@sherwood: you can use your. Preferred strategy to an extent by playing blacks against immigrants who are taking their jobs and taking "their" welfare, but it won't be enough by itself... they have to go home.

Anonymous Cyclone Bob February 05, 2017 7:41 AM  

That 8 million number was estimated by "experts" who claim to believe there are only 11 million Persons of Dampness here. The real number is 4x that.

Those cockroaches are spread out fucking Everywhere. They're gonna wish they hadn't moved all the way up north and east, cuz that march home is gonna make the Trail of Tears look like a walk to the park.

Blogger VD February 05, 2017 7:48 AM  

what is not imaginable is how you consider his actions so far to be a solid step.

I don't. I consider them to be encouraging signs. Trump always recons the territory, then usually acts with more aggression than is expected. Be patient. Trust the God-Emperor. He's exceeding expectations.

You can play people off of each other in your own house. Isn't that what is happening today?

It's not enough. It won't work. You're making the fundamental mistake of trying to concoct a strategy on the basis of tactics you want to avoid using rather than focusing on the objectives you hope to accomplish. That's cowardly, and more importantly, it's futile.

Blogger peter blandings February 05, 2017 7:48 AM  

@43, i think we're pretty well past the whole moral thing.

Blogger VD February 05, 2017 7:50 AM  

oh, and could you comment on the appointment of mattis as sec/def. the guy is as queer as a three dollar bill and holds views concerning russia an shithole wars that is the polar opposite of trump's. so why the appointment?

Because, by all accounts, Mattis is the best general we have. If that's true, I don't care if he drinks or if he's gayer than Milo. He won't be deciding who to fight, he'll be responsible for defeating whomever the God-Emperor tells him to fight.

Both Julius Caesar and Alexander the Great were of dubious orientation. You'd refrain from employing them too?

Anonymous Cyclone Bob February 05, 2017 7:50 AM  

Stilicho: "playing blacks against immigrants who are taking their jobs and 'their' welfare"


One problem: They don't want to work. Wetbacks don't have the ass-sitting bull-shitting all-day "jobs" that blacks think they are owed.

Blogger Some Dude February 05, 2017 7:51 AM  

I liked the way David Brooks used the word 'cosmopolitan' in the passage. Nobody these days uses that word.

One thing overlooked by patriots everywhere is how the Jews indoctrinate THEIR OWN children into tribal hatred and gamma dom. The Learned Elders makes sure to indoctrinate their own offspring first lest the cudgel of diversity creed be weakened. This of course leads to jewish children being more familiar with slavic anti-semitic history and texts than say, american history.

Anonymous simplytimothy February 05, 2017 7:56 AM  

"“We are going back to enforcement chaos — they are going to give lip service to going after criminals, but they really are going to round up everybody they can get their hands on,” "



"Also among those 11.1 million are about 8 million jobholders, Pew found. The vast majority have worked in violation of the law by stating on federal employment forms that they were legally allowed to work. Trump’s order calls for targeting anyone who lied on the forms."




"Trump’s deportation priorities also include smaller groups whose totals remain elusive: people in the country illegally who are charged with crimes that have not yet been adjudicated and those who receive an improper welfare benefit, used a fake identity card, were found driving without a license or received federal food assistance."



"An additional executive order under consideration would block entry to anyone the U.S. believes may use benefit programs such as Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program, according two Trump administration officials who have seen the draft order. "



"“Almost everyone who is here illegally could potentially be considered a priority,” Vaughan said."



"Deportations of this scale, which has not been publicly totaled before, could have widely felt consequences: "



"Families would be separated. Businesses catering to immigrant customers may be shuttered. Crops could be left to rot, unpicked, as agricultural and other industries that rely on immigrant workforces face labor shortages. U.S. relations could be strained with countries that stand to receive an influx of deported people, particularly in Latin America. Even the Social Security system, which many immigrants working illegally pay into under fake identification numbers, would take a hit."



The author clearly wrote that as a work of negative propaganda, thinking her (? nope, dude) "his" words would stir our heartstrings. They did, but not in the way "he" expected.



Blogger peter blandings February 05, 2017 8:00 AM  

@51, sorry, i wouldn't use the jews as examples of anything but masochism and suicidal tendencies. america was the best deal they were ever going to get in a million years and they screwed it up beyond all recognition. who do they align themselves with from the beginning? negroes. does anything else need to be said?

Blogger Sherwood family February 05, 2017 8:01 AM  

Fair enough. I do want to avoid bloodshed but you are right, building tactics off of what I want to avoid rather than what WE want to achieve is futile. I am willing to do what is necessary even if I do not like it. When the bloodletting starts I will be there with the rest of you.

Blogger Trid February 05, 2017 8:05 AM  

But all Trump is doing is undoing decades of whitocentric, racist, evil colonialist brain drain from countries in desperate need of their own intelligent countrypersyns. By returning these prodigal non gender specific offspring, our president is setting them up for a success of their own creation, placing the fate of each affected country squarely within their freshly repatriated and magic dirtified hands.

Blogger peter blandings February 05, 2017 8:09 AM  

@55, our problems can no longer be solved with ink. they require a substance of more viscosity. bloodshed is inevitable. accept that right now and adjust psychologically.

Anonymous Cyclone Bob February 05, 2017 8:11 AM  

Ji @6:50am - You are correct: an American born outside of America is still an American.

Following that logic, what would you call a Portuguese, a Russian, or Somalian born in America? Hint: the answer doesn't end with "erican".

Blogger VD February 05, 2017 8:12 AM  

As I mentioned during the campaign, I don't permit defeatism here, Some Dude. And you will note that I was correct and the God-Emperor did win. Don't count him out.

Blogger Silly But True February 05, 2017 8:12 AM  

If Uber wants a driverless car, it ought to quickly realize the regulatory road leads right through the federal government.

Already Uber has been violating State and local regulations with impunity and much of those situations aren't fully resolved.

What Uber's CEO said is "it's ime for hearings."

Blogger Stilicho February 05, 2017 8:13 AM  

@cyclone bob: true but irrelevant. It doesn't matter if they have jobs the blacks want, it only matters that the blacks think they do. And the competition over the welfare pie will be brutal. It will start with them trying to out "diverse" their opponents and will end with blacks saying "fuck you, we are Americans, so get your filthy foreign hands off our gibsmedats". It won't be enough by itself, but it will help a little and provide amusement along the way.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 05, 2017 8:13 AM  

The left's positions are always one step from silliness probably from being willfully at odds with reality.

Of course the conservatives here fall back to trying to square the left's doodling

Blogger peter blandings February 05, 2017 8:16 AM  

i would prefer milo over mattis any day of the week. i'm not so much put off by the queerness as the fact that mattis is an imbecile and a coward. milo is courageous. mattis has already demonstrated that he is perfectly willing to obey illegal and unconstitutional orders. milo would tear them up and piss on them.

Blogger David Power February 05, 2017 8:17 AM  

It's a solid first step towards the full 80 million required to restore the promised pre-1965 demographic balance.

Promised? Promised by whom?

Blogger Harris February 05, 2017 8:20 AM  

Quite frankly, I see the dissolution of the USA as more likely than mass repatriations. I think VD is arguing that in order to save the USA, mass repatriations are necessary. I just don't see that as feasible.

Finally, if you truly want to restore the legitimate ethnic structure of the USA, then you wouldn't stop with darker skinned peoples. You would have to continue by kicking out white-skinned Jews and Catholics also. America, as conceived, is explicitly Protestant Christian in character and make up. Just reading Thomas Paine's pamphlet "Common Sense" should make it very clear that the concept of the priesthood of the believer is foundational to the notion of Individual rights AND responsibilities. This means kicking out Irish, Polish, French, and Italian Catholics, as well as the orthodox Christians from Eastern Europe and Russia.

Blogger Rusty Fife February 05, 2017 8:24 AM  

peter blandings wrote:i would prefer milo over mattis any day of the week

Translation: "SOMEBODY PAY ATTENTION TO ME!"

What kind of fight are you trying to pick?

Blogger VD February 05, 2017 8:25 AM  

Promised? Promised by whom?

By the proponents of the 1965 Immigration and Naturalization Act.

"The proponents of the Hart–Celler Act argued that it would not significantly influence United States culture. President Johnson called the bill "not a revolutionary bill. It does not affect the lives of millions." Secretary of State Dean Rusk and other politicians, including Senator Ted Kennedy, asserted that the bill would not affect US demographic mix."

Quite frankly, I see the dissolution of the USA as more likely than mass repatriations

What do you think I have been telling you for years? Why do you think I predicted the end of the USA by 2033 more than a decade ago? The fact that there is a possible solution doesn't mean it will be effected, particularly when most of the people who support the objective would resist the necessary means.

Blogger Rusty Fife February 05, 2017 8:26 AM  

Harris wrote:I think VD is arguing that in order to save the USA, mass repatriations are necessary.

No. Only likey. Is vs aught.

Blogger VD February 05, 2017 8:26 AM  

i would prefer milo over mattis any day of the week.

And no one cares.

Blogger Lovekraft February 05, 2017 8:30 AM  

I wonder how much of this problem is due to the west's using cheap oil, entangling itself in the Middle East.

The result is way too much intertwining of Europe and the west with Islam. And globalists also have their claws in various countries due to this principle: early on we made a decision to forego the hard struggle in favor of cheap imports.

Today we're reaping this indulgence.

Blogger Dirk Manly February 05, 2017 8:38 AM  

Birthright citizenship for children of illegals us NOT U.S law. The only ruling on birthright citizenship is the child of Chinese immigrants who were LEGAL PERMANENT RESIDENTS, not illegals. I can't renember the man's last name in the SCOTUS case, but his first name is Ark.

Blogger Dirk Manly February 05, 2017 8:50 AM  

Sherwood. Stop looking for EXCUSES to sit on your ass and do nothing. 3 times in my life, I have dropped everything and deployed for 12 or more months. One time, I received orders on Friday to be at Fort Dix, NJ by Sunday night. Try wrapping up your entire life in 1 1/2 days, and one of those being a Saturday. On top of that, There's a full weekend (OR MORE) of training every month. Lazy asses like you make me sick.

Blogger Basil Makedon February 05, 2017 8:50 AM  

80 Million people aren't going to be deported. 8 Million people aren't going to be deported. 800 thousand people might be deported.

Blogger Cail Corishev February 05, 2017 8:51 AM  

To get various weak groups to fight over the scraps to keep them at each other's throats so you can reduce them one by one?

That's a good thing, as much as it's possible. Though I'd argue that the right has been trying to do that for years with little success, and now that it's happening it's mostly self-inflicted. I doubt we can do much to get the DNC to choose Ellison; they were deciding that sounded good before we heard about it.

At some point, a whole lot of people are going to have to get on ships and planes, voluntarily or involuntarily, and leave a country where billions of people would prefer to live even if you took away all the freebies. That won't just happen because there is infighting on the left. That's a concrete action that will only happen because enough people say, "No, you have to go." It may be hard to imagine Americans reaching that point, but they will, or it won't happen.

The only other way millions would leave would be if America's standard of living became so shitty that places like Mexico and Africa looked appealing by comparison. Americans will act before it gets that bad.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft February 05, 2017 8:52 AM  

I'm starting to think that it's most likely the U.S.A splits into two nations, one third world and the other possibly a constitutional republic. I'm starting to feel like that would be the ideal option really, if we can coax enough of the undesirables into one area to split it off...

Blogger pdwalker February 05, 2017 8:54 AM  

Blood War.

Great phrasing.

Blogger VD February 05, 2017 8:56 AM  

80 Million people aren't going to be deported. 8 Million people aren't going to be deported. 800 thousand people might be deported.

We'll see. Donald Trump wasn't going to win the Republican nomination either.

But I'm not optimistic in that regard. I consider domestic war, political collapse, and balkanization to be much more likely, because MPAI who cannot learn from history.

Anonymous #8601 February 05, 2017 9:01 AM  

The Trump victory suggests MPANI.

Anonymous #8601 February 05, 2017 9:09 AM  

However, if you believe that Hillary did indeed win the popular vote, then we're back to MPAI!

Blogger Avalanche February 05, 2017 9:09 AM  

"People could be booked into custody for using food stamps"

People SHOULD be booked into custody and chucked out for using food stamps!! (What's the confusion here for these idiots?!) (Ye gods! I HATE liberals!)

Blogger Benjamin Kraft February 05, 2017 9:10 AM  

@77. #8601, more accurately, MAANI. If you include illegals into that equations, then MPAI from our perspective.

Anonymous #8601 February 05, 2017 9:22 AM  

@80 Benjamin - indeed. And if we define Americans properly, as per the Preamble of the Constitution, then definitely MAANI.

Blogger Salt February 05, 2017 9:23 AM  

The living interpretive Constitution the Dems love appears to be heading to logger jams with the bedrock Original Intent Trump seems to favor.

Anonymous simplytimothy February 05, 2017 9:23 AM  

80 Million people aren't going to be deported. 8 Million people aren't going to be deported. 800 thousand people might be deported.

Ike apprehended over a million in one year.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Operation_Wetback

"Overall, there were 1,078,168 apprehensions made in the first year of Operation Wetback, with 170,000 being rounded up from May to July 1954.[39] The total number of apprehensions would fall to just 242,608 in 1955, and would continuously decline by year until 1962, when there was a slight rise in apprehended workers."

Adding just the numbers given:
(+ 1078168 170000 242608)

1490776

Ike managed at least 1.5 Million.

If anybody is interested in doing the research and getting the totals, I bet we could get to 2 Million.

Deporting the entirety of the illegal Mexican population in America is eminently doable. Stopping further immigration is eminently doable. Repeating the assimilation process from the early 1900's to 1965 is entirely doable.

Make America Mayberry Again is entirely doable.




Blogger Salt February 05, 2017 9:28 AM  

Appeals court declines to reinstate travel ban, and of course it's the 9th Circuit.

Blogger James Dixon February 05, 2017 9:30 AM  

> Vox, what do you make of Flynn and Trump putting Iran "on notice?

They're simply looking for an excuse to pull out to the Obama Iranian deal.

Blogger Cail Corishev February 05, 2017 9:32 AM  

80 Million people aren't going to be deported. 8 Million people aren't going to be deported. 800 thousand people might be deported.

Ask yourself how many deportations you thought there would be a year ago. Zero, right? That was certainly the conventional wisdom. In fact, we kept hearing that a candidate who talked seriously about deportations and insulted the Holy Immigrant couldn't get elected. Yet here we are.

So now the number has gone from 0 to 800K. Next year you could be saying, "There might be 8 million deportations, but never 80 million." It won't seem possible until it is.

Blogger Nate February 05, 2017 9:33 AM  

"Eight million isn't a bad start."

Once the apprehensions start on mass.. the mexicans will also flood back to mexico en-masse voluntarily. We know this because we've done it before.

1954 we deported 1,072,000 mexicans. But in the first 2 months of what was known as Operation Wetback over 500,000 illegal mexicans went back voluntarily from Texas alone.

Detain and deport 1 million.. 5 million will leave on their own.

Detain and deport 2 million... and 20 million will leave on their own.

Blogger allyn71 February 05, 2017 9:34 AM  

@10 VD

Do you really not grasp that globalism is the Devil's perversion of Christianity?

The heart of the matter. And no they don't because they don't want to.

Blogger Patriotic Canadian February 05, 2017 9:36 AM  

Not if Trump decides to annex Canada. Hey as a Canadian that would be having my cake and eating it too. American rights and living in my own country.

Blogger ZhukovG February 05, 2017 9:45 AM  

Make a few examples of employers of Illegals and State Workers who approve welfare for Illegals. Cut federal funding to States with Sanctuary Cities.

The problem will sort itself out.

Blogger James Dixon February 05, 2017 9:49 AM  

> i'm not so much put off by the queerness as the fact that mattis is an imbecile and a coward.

A decorated Marine general is a coward? Can i have some of whatever you're smoking?

> 80 Million people aren't going to be deported. 8 Million people aren't going to be deported. 800 thousand people might be deported.

If it's even one million, another two million will self deport. It could easily be two to three million. Do the math.

Blogger Avalanche February 05, 2017 9:50 AM  

@26 "That kid is genetically and culturally an American."

(This is written specifically "American" -- but it applies to all White countries / cultures / *nations*.)

Genetically, yes. Culturally? Whoa, not-so-fast there. If that genetically American infant is raised malnourished (i.e. physically deprived), it may (or may not, probably not) grow to be tall: HAS the genes, misses the 'nurture.' If that genetically American infant is raised by NON-American parents (people NOT a part of our *nation* -- i.e., the extended, genetically related family that creates and constitutes a *nation*; see Steve Sailor) then it may grow up to be a singularly smart "member" of the country and culture it was raised in, but it will likely NOT achieve the heights it would have were it raised in BOTH its nation and country/culture.

IF it were possible that merely being exposed to or raised in OUR "culture" (Magic Dirt?!) could result in an "American" or in "America" -- why then, the example we have set for the world for over 200 years would have resulted in ONE COUNTRY somewhere, ONE people out of all the peoples on the globe, creating a serviceable version of America -- or of Americans. Can you find one? Just one?!

Even in the countries where we or the Brits ruled with a heavy, heavy hand -- once 'we' removed that hand -- they degenerated back to their own 'kind.'

Have you seen this:
"Why is India so filthy? The Ugly Indian" TEDxBangalore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf1VA5jqmRo (17 min.)

Or this? (All these pix -- and they left out the one of the woman brushing her teeth next to a rotting corpse. Well, at least she WAS brushing her teeth?!)
http://www.planetcustodian.com/2015/10/19/8134/over-50-scary-images-depicting-filth-of-varanasi-and-river-ganges-that-went-viral-in-china.html

OpenID frankluke February 05, 2017 9:51 AM  

@88

And our Enemy has twisted Scripture to his purpose. He takes statements of "every tongue, and nation, and tribe will worship God" and whispers "the only way that can happen is to bring them into Christian countries. Forget missionaries! That's so first through twentieth century! Get with the Current Year! Bring them here and witness to them here!"

And then when you ask how many deaths must happen before they see the error, they respond "well, if it brings even one soul to the Kingdom, it's worth it."

I notice, though, they ain't lining up to be the ones slain.

Blogger James Dixon February 05, 2017 9:53 AM  

> Not if Trump decides to annex Canada.

I've got a better idea. Why don't we give you the California, Oregon, and Washington coast and you give us the Maritimes.

Anonymous Matthew McConnagay February 05, 2017 9:56 AM  

Vox - serious question, not some douchey "gotcha" attempt - is it in Italy's interest to repatriate you and yours?

Sorry if it's been asked before

Blogger HI February 05, 2017 10:05 AM  

I like you, Vox, but when you talk about 80 million you sound like a crackpot rather than a patriot. This is not a negotiating stance from which you back down, these are Pol Pol numbers. And they have the effect of public statements by FBI informants, or Antifa beatings in Berkeley: they discredit their own side.

Anonymous Vin February 05, 2017 10:05 AM  

Vox I remember you suggesting always giving the enemy somewhere to retreat to (Sun Tzu?).

Would accomplishing CalExit & encouraging (revoke citizenship...etc) post 1965 immigrants & offspring to go there be more feasible & less bloody than mass deportations?

Blogger Avalanche February 05, 2017 10:09 AM  

@52 "Even the Social Security system, which many immigrants working illegally pay into under fake identification numbers, would take a hit."

The article's author lies -- there is no such thing as "fake SS numbers" -- only STOLEN SS numbers! The computers would kick out any "fake" numbers. This liberal author does not want to accurately describe what it is. (Could he possibly be lying?!)

Blogger VD February 05, 2017 10:13 AM  

Vox - serious question, not some douchey "gotcha" attempt - is it in Italy's interest to repatriate you and yours?

That's not a serious question. That's a stupid, rhetorical question. The macrosocietal truths have literally nothing to do with me or any other individual.

And more importantly, that is for the Italians to decide, not me.

Blogger VD February 05, 2017 10:14 AM  

Would accomplishing CalExit & encouraging (revoke citizenship...etc) post 1965 immigrants & offspring to go there be more feasible & less bloody than mass deportations?

Without question. California and Hollywood instead of Poorakia and Corruptistan? What's not to like?

Blogger Avalanche February 05, 2017 10:14 AM  

@53 "who do they align themselves with from the beginning? negroes."

They didn't "align" themselves with negroes; they chose and used negroes (and mexicans) AS A WEAPON! If you pick up a stick to defend yourself (or to attack someone), you're not "aligning yourself" with the stick -- you're USING it! And you will drop it on the ground (whether or not you've broken it) when you're done with it.

We need to awaken our "brothers and sisters" to the USE of negroes (and mexicans) as a weapon against us (the leftie-libs are doing a pretty good job right now). Until they recognize there IS a weapon being wielded against us, they cannot possibly recognize (((whose hand))) is wielding it against us!

Blogger VD February 05, 2017 10:17 AM  

I like you, Vox, but when you talk about 80 million you sound like a crackpot rather than a patriot. This is not a negotiating stance from which you back down, these are Pol Pol numbers.

The actual number of post-1965 invaders is 85 million. Deal with it. There is nothing "crackpot" about the facts. Nor is there anything to negotiate. The choice is very straightforward. Do you prefer complete collapse and civil war or do you prefer deportation and social disruption?

Yes, many people will tell you otherwise. Of course, they also said that they weren't going to alter the demographic balance of the country.

Blogger Cail Corishev February 05, 2017 10:19 AM  

"Even the Social Security system [...] would take a hit."

Would that be the Social Security system that people of my generation were told as children not to count on, because it was already bankrupt then and there was no way it would survive long enough for us to draw from it?

Oh noes!!

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein February 05, 2017 10:21 AM  

#8601 wrote:The Trump victory suggests MPANI.

Clinton won the popular vote.

Blogger Johnny February 05, 2017 10:21 AM  

By my lights the EU is a good idea with a bad implementation. Regardless, given how it has evolved it is not going to be fixed is on the way out. How regrettable they can't dump it quicker.

Anonymous Peter #0231 February 05, 2017 10:24 AM  

Calm down, everyone.

This won't happen all at once. As the saying goes, the journey of 8,000,000 deportations begins with a single expulsion.

And then the next...

Blogger tz February 05, 2017 10:25 AM  

If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed;
if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly;
you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival.
There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.


We are between the second if and the you.

If we get a debt implosion, 8 million will be easy. Calexit would help too.

The black "Christians" in the USA are still having kids out of wedlock. And no one is attempting an evangelical Pygmalion. Nor with Asians or especially Jews. Maybe 1960 levels of black crime was only possible as a 10% minority.

Note the invaders are changing white society, or attempting to. Feminism didn't spring from nowhere.

The USSR collapsed leaving Russia and other ethno-states. I see the US going that way, not Yugoslavia if it comes to that.

And there will be more self-deportation when/if it becomes clear they can't have their alien politics and culture here.

Blogger tz February 05, 2017 10:28 AM  

@94 - keep the Maritimes, we'll take Alberta and Saskatchewan, and maybe Manitoba.

Anonymous L.S. February 05, 2017 10:29 AM  

Blood times are upon us.

Situational awareness is key. Learn Cooper's color codes.

Carry. Get trained. Then PRACTICE. Rifles and shotguns- not just for deer season anymore. Extra ammo- Too much is NOT enough. ( And please- avoid the vanity calibers- go with the crowd- that's where the resupply will be. .45 GAP? Really?)

( And no, going to the indoor paper range and plinking is not "trained". Do a Tueller drill at indoor range distances. You'll realize most range rules will get you killed in the real world.)

Lift weights. Strength is the foundation of every other physical asset. Psychologically, iron tempers temperment. There are no exuses at the bottom of a squat.

Learn something useful regarding hand-to hand combat. Ever been hit? Know what C.S. tastes like?
Ever had blood in your eye from a deep head cut?
To quote our eminent pugilistic philosopher, Mike Tyson, " Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."

Home- At least a weeks worth of food, fuel, and water . Extra meds, if you"re chronic. Dog food too- Sparky is your ally- keep him healthy. ( Remember- no city in America has more than 2-3 days food on hand. Think about that.)

Wake the fuck up. You are in a low - level race war AS WE SPEAK. If you are White, YOU ARE A TARGET. I'm sure Reginald Denny considered himself a friend to all. A weapon and a plan might have made a difference in his life that day.

Trump is a miracle I'm not sure we deserved. Support his efforts. Amplify them. If we devolve to Yugoslavia, you'll wish you had done more. Fuck nice. Fuck decency. Fuck "a nation of immigrants".
Fuck your hand- wringing. And fuck the Left. The "hands across the aisle" are holding knives.

Blogger tz February 05, 2017 10:34 AM  

Also, don't be silly, the 80 million isn't going to be the assimilated law abiding small businessman (unless he wants to self deport), it will be those rioting in the street - of all ethnicities. Then those on the dole or who consume resources or create nuisances.

Families will either go with the deportee, or be broken up.

I'm not sure about blacks.
We treated them like animals (jim crow) and they acted like human beings.
We treated them like human beings and they acted like animals.
They are being judged on the content of their character, but the hard biblicial standard, not the churchian one.

Blogger Avalanche February 05, 2017 10:39 AM  

Remembering a passing comment from Vox on an early Darkstream (and I LOVE the Darkstreams! Please do many more!): Vox said that the heart and hearts and hearts were helpful to him in the first (few?) Darkstreams, because he knew, by them, that he was reaching the audience in his new medium.

I am thinking of Trump, up there fighting a hard and constant battle -- by himself (even with all his own Ilk and Minions). I am making postcards to pass out and have people send to the White House. Just a "we're with you" and a fill-in-your-zip code (that carries weight amongst the D.C. drones).

No one needs to read a message -- they'd have to add staff if we try to send actual messages. This is just a 'heart-felt' (heart vote!) notice that we are with him. And I may expand to a similar version for our congresscritters: a "support the God Emperor -- or be fired next chance we get!" message. (May or may not strengthen the limp spines of the jellyfish still clinging to their positions, but may also scare them enough to pretend they have a spine?)

Blogger pyrrhus February 05, 2017 10:42 AM  

@98 One of the Bushies made a deal with Mexico to allow people living in Mexico to collect SS payments from the American system, and much earlier than Americans. As usual, American pensioners taking it in the neck....

Blogger S1AL February 05, 2017 10:44 AM  

"The macrosocietal truths have literally nothing to do with me or any other individual."

Vox, you made it personal when you said this:

"You're still not American. You will never be American. Not even the adulterated American 2.0. And you have to go back."

Which, I note, applies right up to our current first lady.

I don't particularly care if that's your stance, but you did make it about *everyone*. And that's just not going to happen. General segregation, maybe.

Blogger Lazarus February 05, 2017 10:48 AM  

Johnny wrote:By my lights the EU is a good idea with a bad implementation. Regardless, given how it has evolved it is not going to be fixed is on the way out. How regrettable they can't dump it quicker.

If that is your standard, the Third Reich was a good idea, too.

Blogger pyrrhus February 05, 2017 10:52 AM  

As long as Trump stays out of wars, he'll be the greatest American President since at least Coolidge, and maybe Jefferson....

Blogger JWM in SD February 05, 2017 10:56 AM  

Precisely. That's the only way to deal radical Islam. Nothing has historically worked.

Anonymous The OASF February 05, 2017 10:59 AM  

"And more importantly, that is for the Italians to decide, not me."

See I think we should take a page out of the Italian Playbook... begin a high-speed rail infrastructure project for the express purpose of shipping all of the illegal immigrants scum into Canada, while at the same time sealing the southern Border. Then Trump can do a photoshoot shaking Trudeau's hand while promising him and the world that the new US policy is to promote National border Security. This photo shoot can take place somewhere near the Montana-Canada border and in the background will be pictures of all those poor little Bush trimming Mexicans flooding into Canada.

One of the few shows I watch on television is The Walking Dead. I see how the various survival groups heard the zombies together and use the hordes as weapons against each other. The Italians were way ahead of the curve on that one and it's pretty darn hilarious too!

Repatriation can be fun boys and girls! Really, it can!

Blogger praetorian February 05, 2017 11:03 AM  

I realize that the prospect of returning to one's ancestral homeland is not necessarily nice for everyone. Most people rather like living in a wealthy white country their parents did not, and could not, build, that they and their children cannot even maintain.

Holy shit that hurt my feelings.

Blogger VD February 05, 2017 11:09 AM  

Vox, you made it personal when you said this:

"You're still not American. You will never be American. Not even the adulterated American 2.0. And you have to go back."


That's not personal. That's a simple fact. I am not Italian. I will never be Italian. I am not Japanese. I will never be Japanese. I understand that. The sad thing is that so many non-Americans resident in the United States do not.

And that's just not going to happen.

Then tens of millions of people are going to die inside the borders of the former United States. Why do you think I left 20 years ago? I've seen this coming for more than two decades.

Blogger JWM in SD February 05, 2017 11:13 AM  

No, that won't work because they will try to access the wealth of the constitutional republic.

Blogger praetorian February 05, 2017 11:14 AM  

The purpose of the state is to protect its people--America in 1965 decided to genocide itself.

And you may find yourself... posting on a right wing blog

And you may find yourself... agreeing with W. Lindsay Wheeler

And you may ask yourself...

Well...How did I get here?

Blogger JWM in SD February 05, 2017 11:19 AM  

Not going to happen. You guys need to get off the Calexit fantasy already. I've already explained why.

Blogger HI February 05, 2017 11:31 AM  

Ok, here's a simple exercise: how many people do you think are in the families of those 80 million? Unless you're talking about a brutal military dictatorship, you'd expect over half the country to kick out someone fairly close who's been a citizen for many years, may speak English fluently, may be employing Americans, and, unlike the illegals, has followed the rules. So, for example, you'd expect Trump to go along with kicking out Melania and Ivana and their kids. Defending Western civilization and its heritage? Sure, that makes sense. Stupid stuff like kicking out 80 million people? That's the kind of talk that makes people tune you out.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd February 05, 2017 11:32 AM  

APL wrote:How bout a straight swap. South African whites for American blacks?

Nifty. It would raise average IQ here, and if we sent enough American blacks, it would raise IQ there, too.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents February 05, 2017 11:33 AM  

Of all the Federal Circuit Courts of Appeals, the 9th has seen more decisions overturned by the Supreme court than any other. There's a reason some call it the "9th Circus Court".

We'll see this week where we go next.

Blogger bosscauser February 05, 2017 11:38 AM  

Review every new visa app for a day. That's 365 new visas a year...
I could live with that..🤗

#PresidentTrump2020

Anonymous W. Lindsay Wheeler February 05, 2017 11:43 AM  

@praetorian, and I have an even better suggestion for all:

Arrest all 400 (or more) Catholic bishops in America. Try them for the crimes of Genocide and Treason--since they have all adopted political correctness/social justice, preach diversity and multiculturalism--and when found guilty--shot or hanged.

Next, close Catholic Charities, seize all their assests.

How does a "state" produce a majority of "citizens" who commit Treason and Genocide? That is what has happened in America. Political Correctness and Social Justice is Cultural Marxism, a Jewish Ideology. It makes people betray their kinsmen. We see on our streets--other whites attacking whites not only in the press but in the public. Any one that is engaged in Political Correctness or is a SJW commits Treason and is guilty of the crime of Genocide. Literally every single Christian, Protestant and Catholic, is guilty of heresy of Cultural Marxism, guilty of genocide. That no one is trained in Virtue in the country is why we are in the state we are in.

We live in the Age of Treason. Any religion engaged in Treason, is NO religion.

Blogger James Dixon February 05, 2017 11:44 AM  

> I like you, Vox, but when you talk about 80 million you sound like a crackpot rather than a patriot.

We don't care.

Anonymous BBGKB February 05, 2017 11:50 AM  

And yes, hundreds of thousands of very good people will, through no fault of their own,

They might only appear good to those who don't know them. I was friends with a gay Hispanic nurse for years until the first time I admonished him for something. He told me he put a mean doctor in his place by lying. I told him if the Dr was not anti gay or anti Hispanic he is now. This was an RN with a masters degree.

the fact that the architects of the 1965 Hart-Celler Act didn't intend for 85 million first- and second-generation immigrants to colonize the USA

I thought everyone here was in agreement that the left never dealt in good fail with Hart-Celler & the Raygun amnesty for a border wall?

Don't be alarmed, you modern Visigoths, the Disney Prince, Justin Trudeau, will take you in.

How dare you missgender the Princess.

"Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb" You poor thing, around these parts we say hung as a horse.

We will not go quietly into the night.

The prices of night vision scopes has gone down a lot in recent years.

who do they align themselves with from the beginning? negroes. does anything else need to be said?

To be fair whites were hanging them just like blacks when they raped little girls, its why the ADL was founded.

Blogger James Dixon February 05, 2017 12:00 PM  

> Not going to happen. You guys need to get off the Calexit fantasy already. I've already explained why.

Is that like the Trump being President fantasy, but delayed by year or two? The only figure I could find said that Hillary won California with 61.5% of the vote. If those same people vote to secede, Calexit will be a reality. Then it's on to New York.

Not that I care about California as such. I merely want the precedent of peaceful secession confirmed so we can use it when the time comes.

> ...you'd expect over half the country to kick out someone fairly close who's been a citizen for many years, may speak English fluently, may be employing Americans, and, unlike the illegals, has followed the rules.

Not yet, no. But unless trends change, eventually, yes.

Blogger dienw February 05, 2017 12:11 PM  

if we can coax enough of the undesirables into one area to split it off...

The undesirables can have what is west of the Mississippi...for now.

Blogger VFM #7634 February 05, 2017 12:13 PM  

As the courts and media are distracted by the "Muslim ban," Trump can ramp up immigration enforcement unhindered. Seems like a good play. Even the left doesn't possess unlimited resources. They can pursue hundreds of thousands, even millions of repatriation cases and tell the left "Due Process this, assholes." Something like that.

@12 Shimshon
An interesting take. I wonder if this slightly over-the-top travel ban was a big jet of squid ink on the part of Trump and Bannon. They figured some so-called jujj somewhere would toss it out, but meanwhile, it would have the full attention of the Anti-Christian Litigance Union and all the other progs.

Pat Buchanan may be overlooking a few things. The temporary "Muslim Ban" only affects allies of Iran.

@40 Lazarus
And again, it was countries selected by the Obama administration, so this would make total sense.

It also now makes total sense that Trump would use a travel ban that targets Iran and its allies as a distraction and sacrificial lamb for activist jujjes.

As for the refugee ban, it has already had an effect of severely damaging the refugee racket, especially since there was a refugee reduction that nearly choked off the tap. The refugee agencies are still bitching about it, so it looks like Trump's reduction from 110,000 to 50,000 (of which 30,000 have already come in this year thanks to Obama) wasn't affected by the jujj.

Blogger VFM #7634 February 05, 2017 12:17 PM  

How does a "state" produce a majority of "citizens" who commit Treason and Genocide? That is what has happened in America.

@127 W. Lindsay Wheeler
And the Catholic Church. It's completely run by traitors who want to wipe out their own supposed religion. Since the Vatican has been run by anti-Catholics since 1958, of course all the "cardinals" will be as rotten as the supposed "popes".

And yes, they aren't "popes". To actually be Pope in the eyes of God, you have to actually be a Catholic. These assholes most certainly aren't.

Blogger dienw February 05, 2017 12:17 PM  

Salt wrote:Appeals court declines to reinstate travel ban, and of course it's the 9th Circuit.

Sarah Palin has a blog and she posted on this. My response was:Trump is exposing the anti-Americans in high places: those on the benches across America who desire the destruction of this nation. Once it is obvious to all, President Trump needs to declare a national emergency that not only re-establishes the ban; but removes the traitors top to bottom from the Federal courts.
It is a terrible thing that the American people have to reconquer their one government.

Blogger VD February 05, 2017 12:23 PM  

Stupid stuff like kicking out 80 million people? That's the kind of talk that makes people tune you out.

So what? I heard that for five years after March 2002. Then, after September 2008, everyone tried to pretend that I had never said anything.

A lot of you told me I was crazy about Donald Trump being President too.

I can't stress this enough: I REALLY do not care what a group of people whose average intelligence is literally - literally, in the proper sense of the term - retarded in comparison with mine happen to think of me.

I don't expect you retards to heed my warning. I expect you to walk blithely and blindly into disaster, like you always do.

Blogger Sheila4g February 05, 2017 12:31 PM  

@83 simply timothy: "Repeating the assimilation process from the early 1900's to 1965 is entirely doable."

You're wrong. How "assimilated" are the Jews? The Italians who remained on the coasts and continued marrying and living among primarily other Italians? The Germans/Scandinavians in Minnesota who squirm so uncomfortably when someone suggests Somalis aren't going to become Americans?

America 2.0, the America that resulted from the Ellis Island inundation (actually quite a few came before Ellis Island was used, but it's a good catchall term) was not the America of the Founders. The immigrants changed America more than it changed them. Yes, the 40 year immigration pause, the depression, and WWII helped with superficial "assimilation." What helped more was that the vast majority were White, Christian, and European, and they intermarried.

The post 1965 immigration debacle consists of almost exclusively yellow, brown, or black people who are neither Christian nor European. Neither they nor their children consider themselves
Americans, although they are quick to wave their magic papers in your face. Get it through your head: genuine "assimilation" means intermarriage and genetic intermingling and the creation of a new people. In America 2.0 that translates to the mixed or mongrel White of various European ethnicities. Merely because most Americans consider that "normal" does not mean that it exists elsewhere, nor that it should. No immigration pause or citizenship class is going to turn an Indian Hindu or a Somali Muslim into a White, European American. No being born in magic American dirt is going to turn their children into Americans either, despite their wearing jeans and eating pizza.

Deal with it.

Blogger VFM #7634 February 05, 2017 12:34 PM  

@134 dienw

Rasmussen has 41% Strongly Approving of Trump and 38% Strongly Disapproving. Given the circumstances, this is a total powder keg waiting to happen. It suggests that ~80% of the people living in America would really like to see ~40% of the people living in America dead.

Anonymous BbigGayKoranBurner February 05, 2017 12:37 PM  

I like you, Vox, but when you talk about 80 million you sound like a crackpot rather than a patriot.

Bugaboo of small minds indeed. Civil War II could easily have 80% of the US population die off even without nukes.

Please tell me you can figure out which side would have more losses in a skirmish between 3 bubbas with tannerite verses NYC in wintertime? Latrina's 21 crackbabies have already declared war on my earnings.

i would prefer milo over mattis any day of the week. i'm not so much put off by the queerness as the fact that mattis is an imbecile and a coward. milo is courageous.

Milo may be prettier but I don't think he could personally kill someone.

80 million required to restore the promised pre-1965 demographic balance.Promised? Promised by whom?

The jews that sold it promised that the foreseen consequences would never happen and the foreseen consequences were less than actually occurred.

Blogger Sheila4g February 05, 2017 12:41 PM  

@92 Avalanche: "If that genetically American infant is raised by NON-American parents (people NOT a part of our *nation* -- i.e., the extended, genetically related family that creates and constitutes a *nation*; see Steve Sailor) then it may grow up to be a singularly smart "member" of the country and culture it was raised in, but it will likely NOT achieve the heights it would have were it raised in BOTH its nation and country/culture."

Methinks you give a bit too much weight to environment, but I'll concede your point within limits. Good nutrition and culture and environment will maximize the individuals genetic potential as predetermined by its DNA; poor nutrition etc. will minimize it. Even an optimal environment and nutrition and parents will not alter poor beginning genetic material: Example 1, Collin Kaepernick and all adoption studies involving non-White children raised by White American parents.

I do think those who are home raising the children, comforting and cuddling them and teaching them their nursery rhymes, have a huge influence in transmitting culture. That's why the huge number of idiot Whites who insist on daycare or hire a Guatemalan maid to be caregivers are raising the next generation of SJWs. Most White Americans today have no idea what most English nursery rhymes are, nor their origins. Most public school kids (more than 50% non White, but the Whites are taught the same agenda) believe Eli Whitney was a Negro and Benjamin Bannecker designed Washington, D.C. How wonderful for Ivanka Trump that Arabella can sing in Chinese via her Chinese nanny. How compassionate that Ivanka wants better federal support for childcare and "working mothers." A mother who's at home is already working at the most important job she could have: bearing and raising the next generation of Americans. If a cubicle or fancy car or Disney vacation is more important, then go ahead and boast of your Harvard attending, Guatemalan raised SJW who insists we're all the same (but in his heart knows it's not true, except for the increasing minority who become genuine ethnomasochists and marry other races).

Nutrition helps and culture is crucial, but culture is a product of a group of genetically-related people, i.e. DNA MATTERS.

Blogger tz February 05, 2017 12:47 PM  

#NotMyJudiciary - the Judges are generally hated. Calling for the assassination of Trump is bad, but (see bundy ranch trial, the epa judge in MT, the Hammonds), if you want to play the assassination game...

I worry about the Superbowl. If halftime goes Gaga for "inclusion", the crowd might start shouting Trump! and a riot break out if there are Antifas in the crowd.
Say, aren't hundreds of thousands of women beaten on Superbowl Sunday? Oh - it doesn't have to be fakenews this year.

Anonymous simplytimothy February 05, 2017 1:02 PM  

@136 wrote: "Yes, the 40 year immigration pause, the depression, and WWII helped with superficial "assimilation." What helped more was that the vast majority were White, Christian, and European, and they intermarried.

The post 1965 immigration debacle consists of almost exclusively yellow, brown, or black people who are neither Christian nor European. "


If these numbers are accurate, I will adjust my thinking and hopefulness accordingly. Good catch, thanks.

Blogger tz February 05, 2017 1:06 PM  

Another point on "Christians"

First, you are either on the side of Heaven or Hell, and it isn't theological minutiae, it is your Fruits. Stefan Molyneux is more likely to get in than the prosperity churches.

Churchians are of the devil. Cursed. They don't need theological lessons, they need an exorcism.

There was a blessing of Salt and other things at Mass and it hit me after an anecdote in the homily.

The Hispanic immigrants have some Christians, but even more Santaria, andd sorcerers and witches (I mean this literally - start with Carlos Casteneda's works, which are new age, but they are doing rituals and casting spells).

There is something similar in the black commuinity. Psychics, fortune tellers, or worse. Then there's the Modern Molech of America "Clinics".

They may have christian trappings, but you can't have a nation of 160M Christians and 80M Satanists.

The tarot reader, the sorcerer, the abortionist, the pimp are merely denominations and high vs low church satanism.

They recently unveiled a statue of Baphomet in Detroit.

Proposition nation? That can reconcile Jesus and Satan?

The spiritual war is already hot. I don't have direct evidence the legion of antifas are demoniacs, but I've seen enough to bet they are.

Alt-white Christians (check the women, are they mommies?) with some utre ideas are better than fake Christian Satanists. Christians obey the commandments, and not selectively.

Pro life, conception to natural death filters out most.

60 million dead babies killed indirectly by 60 million culture of death. Innocent blood requires blood in payment. Which is why I expect war, famine, and/or plague, but in the Hillary Archipelago. Maybe even 60 million casualties.

Blogger tz February 05, 2017 1:17 PM  

Please tell me you can figure out which side would have more losses in a skirmish between 3 bubbas with tannerite verses NYC in wintertime? Latrina's 21 crackbabies have already declared war on my earnings.

It would take a lot of tannrite and a sniper to collapse the right power pylons or the water tunnels, (or the bridges), but NYC would self immolate after a week.

Canada isn't the only place with choke points

Latrina can't imagine she depends on Bubba'a good will which is about gone.

It took only 19 with box cutters to kill 3000.

The worst would be an attack when there is already a natural disaster, e.g. a paralyzing ice or snow storm, or an earthquake.

I doubt I'm the only one who has thought of it.

Anonymous Opus February 05, 2017 1:17 PM  

If I may temporarily put on my legal wig and gown and although American Judiciary may be different it has been my English experience that the higher one travels up the Courts of Justice not only the easier it gets but Judges tend to do exactly what they want and fit such precedent as they can find to their biased decision. Usually what they want is to enforce the prevailing mores or wishes of the government. They are after-all of the establishment. It is thus a form of sedition for the Appeals Court to have upheld the decision of the equally treasonous Lower Court. The Appeals Court have taken to making rather than interpreting law.

As a one-time legal alien myself (I forget exactly what type of Visa I had - there are different types) I think it the greatest insult for people to come to your nation, treat it as theirs and then complain when, like squatters - which is what they are - they are to be thrown out.

I keep thinking of the Tragedy of The Commons, which is what appears to await America should Trump fail to return America to the 1965 position. When refugees are nation-shopping it is obvious that they cannot be refugees but are economic chancers.

Blogger tz February 05, 2017 1:22 PM  

"Repatriot Games"

Blogger Sagramore February 05, 2017 2:09 PM  

Pay people to go back? Deals with Canada to take them?

Lots of space and facilities in the Acadian Peninsula, especially for francophones. The fish plants could always use more workers, aside from the Filipino TFWs.

Blogger S1AL February 05, 2017 2:20 PM  

"That's not personal. That's a simple fact. I am not Italian. I will never be Italian. I am not Japanese. I will never be Japanese. I understand that. The sad thing is that so many non-Americans resident in the United States do not."

It's the last line that matters. When you start taking about spouses and children, you lose the rhetorical debate. Or are you going to tell Kratman his wife needs to return to Latin America?

Look, I get what you're saying. I probably agree with you more than most. But once intermarriage has started, the rules change. Of course, intermarriage is what's required for integration.

But 80 million? Come on. That's a quarter of the population just by itself. Realistically, we might pull off 20 million, 40 at the absolute extreme. But the rest are too intertwined or have been here too long. Try to do that and you get the civil war you're trying to prevent.

Anonymous BBGKB February 05, 2017 2:20 PM  

It would take a lot of tannrite and ...worst would be an attack when there is already a natural disaster, e.g. a paralyzing ice or snow storm, or an earthquake.

Every power outage NYC had caused looting in die verse areas. Labor day 2011 was enough to cause 67 people to be shot with no disaster/problem. That's why I said skirmish of 3 vs NYC because NYC going 17 hours without a murder is newsworthy.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/07/new-york-city-went-17-hours-without-a-murder-in-2016.html

Anonymous Soylent_Green February 05, 2017 2:38 PM  

@109 L.S.

Couple of minor quibbles:

Carry. Get trained. Then PRACTICE. Rifles and shotguns- not just for deer season anymore. Extra ammo- Too much is NOT enough. - Very True, minimum of 1,000 rd.s per rifle or shotgun & 500 rd.s per pistol.

Lift weights. Strength is the foundation of every other physical asset. - Indeed, also helps with firearms useage, no matter the age of the person. Had a 75 year old woman who was having problems using her late husbands .38 at a class. Had her take a free senior weight class at the local gym for a few months and return. Not only could she perform well with the .38, she aced the tueller drill at indoor distances.

Home- At least a weeks worth of food, fuel, and water . Extra meds, if you"re chronic. - Actually, a weeks worth isn't enough should the SHTF, you need to have 90 days at least. Might be hard to do if you're an apartment dweller, but should be able to store a months worth (I did in a one bedroom unit when I was an apt dweller). Most docs will give you a script for 90 days if asked.

And fuck the Left. The "hands across the aisle" are holding knives.- Spot on! :)

Blogger tz February 05, 2017 2:44 PM  

@147 - The 80 million are in the Hillary Archipelago in the main.

This is like saying the diaspora was too dispersed for Hitler's final solution to work. And this isn't even a diaspora. One megaquake or megatsunami.

I don't say this to wish it - but if I go up into the mountains where there is danger and no cell phone service (or repeaters) alone, a small break and I can end up seriously dead.

Living on the coast where there are earthquake faults, and the danger of Tsunami, where the evacuation signs imply that some two lane roads can get you out of danger ... Once near Olympia WA I noticed them for tsunami and a Ranier lahar where it was a parking lot. I didn't feel fear as much as laughed since I wasn't going to be there for long.

#CalExit might deport 60 million in one fell swoop (If it was the left coast - Bellingham to Los Angles coastal leaving the red inner counties) it would be certain and would fix things immediately. Note that "Jefferson" wants to secede from California, and "Liberty" from western Washington, and there is something in Oregon. These predated CalExit.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft February 05, 2017 2:45 PM  

@147. S1AL, Biblically the man is the head of the house. Foreign wives would stay, foreign husbands would go and take their family with them. I know what you're thinking, but realize, this is actually a feature, not a bug. I think you may also realize there are a lot less mixed marriages than you're thinking.

Blogger tz February 05, 2017 2:48 PM  

@148, one of the novels I enjoyed is "Train Man" about severing all the railroad bridges across the Mississippi.

When I was in the state of Washington, I couldn't help but notice that there were very few passes over the Cascades, they were fragile to begin with (for a large earthquake) when not actually closed in the Winter, permanently or during bad weather. Similarly if you continue into Oregon, and I know at least parts of California.

I don't think China exports lots of food or energy.

Blogger tz February 05, 2017 2:50 PM  

@144 #NotMyJudiciary
Assassination works both ways.

Anonymous Sharrukin February 05, 2017 3:10 PM  

147. S1AL

But once intermarriage has started, the rules change.

They do to some degree because things then get more violent and ugly.

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/war-shattered-the-soul-of-sarajevo/

Before the war, Sarajevo’s live-and-let-live attitude had exemplified the ideal of what was then Yugoslavia. Serb, Croat and Bosniak interacted from cradle to grave. They intermarried; according to the 1991 census a year before the war began, 51 percent of Sarajevo’s marriages were mixed.

They celebrated each others’ birthdays and jointly mourned at funerals. No place was off-limits to anyone, and the city was abuzz with multiethnic art, music and literature that made it the cultural capital of Yugoslavia.


And then the music stopped and the armies sprang up.

Blogger VFM #7634 February 05, 2017 3:28 PM  

@151 Benjamin Kraft

S1AL, Biblically the man is the head of the house. Foreign wives would stay, foreign husbands would go and take their family with them. I know what you're thinking, but realize, this is actually a feature, not a bug.

That's a good convention. And mudsharks can go into the ghetto with their multiple boyfriends and stay there.

The only exception would be white liberal male cucks who are dominated by their nonwhite wives. They can GTFO too.

I think you may also realize there are a lot less mixed marriages than you're thinking.

Out-marriage rate for non-Hispanic whites is only 7%, with about half of those being Hispanics (Pew, 2013). And those are newlyweds, for which the rate is no doubt higher than for those who've been married 20 years.

Blogger Harris February 05, 2017 3:34 PM  

It just seems to me that despite your previous arguments that the USA is doomed and will disintegrate by 2033, this argument you are making now is to try to stop that dissolution from happening. Did I misinterpret what you are saying?

BTW, I am sympathetic to both believing it is coming to an end, and still hoping it doesn't happen. Is that why you are beating the repatriation drum so hard?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 05, 2017 3:37 PM  

Harris wrote:It just seems to me that despite your previous arguments that the USA is doomed and will disintegrate by 2033, this argument you are making now is to try to stop that dissolution from happening. Did I misinterpret what you are saying?
Yes.
The dissolution is baked into the economic pie.
The effort now is to reduce the diversity so that the civil war that happens will be over with quickly.

Blogger Harris February 05, 2017 3:39 PM  

If the USA splits, it will shatter into more than two countries. It will be several, and there will be violence to accompany it. If the West Coast is successful in seceding, it will spawn a cascade of separatist movements that will take generations to sort out.

Blogger Avalanche February 05, 2017 3:42 PM  

@139 "Methinks you give a bit too much weight to environment, but I'll concede your point within limits."

Hmmm, not sure you haven't actually supported my point pretty well! MOST of "who we end up being" is underlain by our genetics. However, environment is hugely important in allowing those genes to do their work. If a genetically "American" infant is raised in a non-White culture -- and never even learns to read, then all the White / American genes in the world will not raise that child to White norms.

You described the ideal: White moms, at home, raising their babies in OUR culture. And you described the ... non-inculcation of our culture through non-White nannies etc., which equals the actual (culture and) environment the child is raised in. So, no matter how 'complete' the genetic basis (and how great the food); without the 'raising of' -- without the inculcation of our culture into that genetic product -- you will not EVER get an American. (Or an "America"!)


You wrote: "Good nutrition and culture and environment will maximize the individuals genetic potential as predetermined by its DNA"

Agreed. However:

Blogger Avalanche February 05, 2017 3:42 PM  

Nutrition and, say, stature are more genetic than anything else (unless one suggests that creating an environment where food is available is related to the parents' genetics: good parents make good food available). (And I would not fight that idea very hard.) There can be a negative effect -- a lack of -- but not a positive over-riding of the genes: more and better food does not make an ever taller human. Genetics (create and) limit this (on the positive side).

Culture is partly (probably majorly) genetic, but as with height or other physical manifestations of "physical" genes present or missing, if there is no inculcation OF the culture into the infant, such "culture genes" as exist will not manifest. Here, again, we have a positive effect within genetic constraints (raised in / taught 'your' culture, your genetic propensity will lead you to fit in); we cannot have any exceeding of the positive genetic limits (you can't be more "of your culture" than your genes-- and your inculcation of that culture -- allow). But there can be lots of negative effects if the environment is lacking.

(Thus, as to black children raised in White households: their GENES, in general do not let them "take up" White culture with the innate ease of a White child 'designed' to do so.)("Nature" will out!)

Through the generations, those people ("reproductive units") who fit into and support their culture will get to breed, those who don't like the culture or try to fit into it, will have less success. Over generations, that reduced chance at reproduction will decrease or extinguish in the population (race or nation) those genes that create the odd-ball. The genes of those who do fit in will become predominant or singular in the population.

However, in considering culture, environment does play a pretty massive part in how the infant grows up. Witness our disgusting leftie-lib weenie 'bunnies' -- they still have "normal" genes from their White forebears who created this country (genetics can't change that much that quickly). However, their upbringing DID create the stunted horrific things we see today. So, the genetic ... propensity ... to become White / American requires inculcation of White / American culture! Without environment causing that, it's stunted children all the way!

Environment is slightly / barely genetic (in that the parents create the environment? I would probably fight that idea). Without the environment created by the White / American tribe / parents / culture; no matter how great an infant's "American genes" are -- that child will NOT grow up to be American or to create America.

A bunch of those genetically gifted children, raised in a tribe / family of similarly genetically gifted folks -- but without *our* fairy tales and history tales and nursery songs and so on, might very well create another great cool country-- but NOT this one.

That's culture, as passed through environment. Yes?

Blogger S1AL February 05, 2017 3:48 PM  

I don't know how you guys can read comments about the viability of deportation and reach the conclusion that I'm saying intermarriage prevents civil war. That's not even relevant.

Furthermore, please consider your numbers. 7% of 200 million is *not* a small number. And it's amplified once you realize that a lot of immigrants are still white.

I get that some of you think that the country is destined for Mayberry 2.0, regardless of method, and that eventually all the White people will agree on that issue.

You're wrong. And attempting to broad-stroke the issue will backfire horribly. Incremental steps, focused heavily on encouraging self-deportation, is the best chance.

Yeah, 20 million is reasonable. That can be done. But not if your approach is "you all have to go back", with reference to 80 million people. What you're going to get, best-case scenario, is deportation of the majority of illegal immigrants followed by self-deportation of a good portion of the rest. Yes, the fabric of American society is going to be altered again. That's inevitable.

Blogger Harris February 05, 2017 3:50 PM  

What we would prefer doesn't matter. What will happen is the braking apart of the USA. 85 million deportations is a nonstarter. They won't go peacably, and have too many sympathetic political connections for it to happen. The die is already cast.

Blogger Hen February 05, 2017 4:02 PM  

Would come back on active duty in a heartbeat to serve in a Trump campaign. Just say the word, Mr. President.

Anonymous Sharrukin February 05, 2017 4:12 PM  

161. S1AL

Furthermore, please consider your numbers. 7% of 200 million is *not* a small number.

It has happened before.

Phnom Penh--the population of which, numbering 2.5 million people, included as many as 1.5 million wartime refugees living with relatives or in shantytowns around the urban center

April 17, 1975 was declared the first day of the year Zero

When Pol Pot entered Phnom Penh on April 23, 1975, the city was empty.


Less than a week to empty an entire city of millions of people.

8-12 million Germans were expelled/fled from the east in WW2.

There were around 8 million refugees in France 1940, 6.2 million of them French. That is 15% of the population running for their lives in just over a month.

Around 20 million Bangladeshi's fled East Pakistan in about 2 months in 1971.

It is shocking how easy it is to deport/evacuate massive numbers of people if the civilized rules no longer exist.

And it's amplified once you realize that a lot of immigrants are still white.

I would assume that a lot of them could stay. Once citizenship becomes a none issue there will be a realignment of what 'makes sense' and what is acceptable. A lot of 'White Hispanics' will become 'of Spanish descent'.

Blogger Harris February 05, 2017 4:28 PM  

Well, at least that makes more sense.

After living in 7 other states, and even in Canada for a couple of years, I recently moved home to Texas in anticipation of the coming civil war. My family is in Dallas, and it numbers about 4000 strong. Coming home before the fighting starts just makes sense to me.

Anonymous Siobhan February 05, 2017 4:30 PM  

I live in California.

If California attempts to secede, I fully expect and will call upon the US government to protect us, as Americans, from those attempting to dispossess us of our Constitutional rights.

I won't self-deport. I'm American, and they can't make me not be.

Blogger Harris February 05, 2017 4:34 PM  

The only way that happens is war. I thought the discussion was deportations instead of war.

I was corrected. Snidely says it is deportations to make the inevitable war more easily winnable.

Blogger Doom February 05, 2017 4:39 PM  

I am not sure he has the power, or the will to use it, to this extent... even to removing 8 million, let alone 80 million. I just don't see it. If he has the will and way, he certainly has my blessing. Get it done. Of course, the only real way I see anything he does having any lasting meaning is if women are stripped of the vote. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. Those flagging cows change their minds as often as they change their clothes (when young and beautiful). And they mean it, every damned time, for whatever that itself means... to themselves or anyone else.

If he's got the mojo, I'll back it fully.

Blogger weka February 05, 2017 4:53 PM  

The court of appeal, having Obama appointed jurists, was going to do this. This is expected.

The next move is to get congress to make a law, stack SCOTUS, and then fire up the trucks. Defund the Hilary Archipelago.

This is a long game. The lincoln throne generally wins.

Blogger tz February 05, 2017 5:10 PM  

@161 - the country isn't going to go Mayberry 2.0, but I'm living in a Mayberry 1.0 area (It tool almost a year to understand that is was so freaking perfectly normal here).

The rest of the country can burn. I have sympathy, but can't prevent people intent on suicide, cultural or otherwise.

I don't want it to, but I'm not going to invite a bunch of people who want to turn my town into a 3rd world hellhole in. I'm far down the line so it won't happen, but they ought not try.

I think anyone (regardless of race) who wanted to live in a christian Mayberry 1.0 would be welcome. Now, before TEOTWAWKI or TSHTF. Not as part of the golden horde.

Anonymous BBGKB February 05, 2017 5:14 PM  

despite your previous arguments that the USA is doomed and will disintegrate by 2033, this argument you are making now is to try to stop that dissolution from happening.

Look I am gay. I would prefer it if I could safety live in the epicenter of 13 gay bars, within walking distance, in a place large enough to house 100 wetbacks. But even my friend who still does so is becoming a race realist. The dissolution is likely, you can only hope it is softer or that the can will be kicked down the road for longer than your lifetime. Knowing it's going to happen, you can take steps to increase your survivability, like moving out of the epicenter of 13 gay bars to a Whitopia, buying 5 gallon buckets of long term storage food,& planting fruit/nut trees under swales.

It is shocking how easy it is to deport/evacuate massive numbers of people if the civilized rules no longer exist.

Right now wetbacks can squat on peoples property and jew lawyers will keep them from being evicted. Eventually people will look and see those who spent $10,000+ failing to get wetbacks off their property and just take that $10,000 to the nearest biker bar. "golly gee officer we came home and all these dead wetbacks were all over the place must have been a drug thing" or "looks like them be hemlock leaves at da bottom of da takilla bottle, I thought it was just worms"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2182085/Its-just-nightmare-Family-evict-illegal-squatters-home-file-bankruptcy-exploit-legal-loophole.html

. And you described the ... non-inculcation of our culture through non-White nannies etc

My sister is a leftist but she got a white nannie from England.

Blogger tz February 05, 2017 5:24 PM  

@171 Bikers for Trump. Good to know.
Or as I've noted they can't LIVE HERE, but either adjective is actionable.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 05, 2017 6:13 PM  

Siobhan wrote:I live in California.

If California attempts to secede, I fully expect and will call upon the US government to protect us, as Americans, from those attempting to dispossess us of our Constitutional rights.

I won't self-deport. I'm American, and they can't make me not be.

doesn't matter. The question is whether we would consider the sacrifice of your rights to be an acceptable price for getting rid of them.
If it were just the worst 10 or 12 counties in CA, I think most of the country would be fine with it.

Blogger tz February 05, 2017 6:21 PM  

@166 If you are east of the main mountain range (about 5000 feet) you are probably ok.

Those west of the left spine are likely doomed. I can't quite see the precise disaster - there are too many. Earthquake. Tsunami. EMP. Or just violence in the streets.

Or even the more silly or profound in indicating the depths of depravity - the EBT cards don't work!

Figure out how far you need to get away and don't try to be Lot's wife.

Blogger Doom February 05, 2017 6:25 PM  

I don't know, a pillar of salt from self-sacrificing ninny would go a long way to forgiveness, at least in the social context. :p Salt, in the desert, or almost anywhere far from the sea, in strange lands, and on foot, is gold, baby!

Blogger VFM #7634 February 05, 2017 8:20 PM  

I live in California.

If California attempts to secede, I fully expect and will call upon the US government to protect us, as Americans, from those attempting to dispossess us of our Constitutional rights.

I won't self-deport. I'm American, and they can't make me not be.


@169 Siobhan
Trump's other executive order (the one the prog jujj did NOT throw out) gives ICE authority to deport up to 8 million squatters -- illegals and visa overstayers. That's probably about 3 million in California. Without including their family members who would have to go along with them.

Anonymous Luke February 05, 2017 8:31 PM  

35. Matt February 05, 2017 7:07 AM
"Explains why [t]he only difference I noticed between Uber and Taxis is the car and price."

You should get better informed, then.
Legal taxis are driven by people who have passed a fingerprint-based state criminal background check, typically follow local government determined pricing, have gov't-certified distance meters for charging (think equivalent of how gas stations meter gasoline), have regulatory agency approved insurance (Ubercab's has never paid a single claim to Uber passengers or drivers, I believe) have specific extra background checks & certifications for carrying children for the local school system/going on military bases/picking up passengers at the city airport, etc., etc. Ubercab (its original, or true name) has none of these. It's run by total crooks from top to bottom. When vehicle depreciation/repairs/other operating costs are factored in, many Ubercab drivers are actually driving for FREE or at a loss.

If you wouldn't eat food prepared by a black Somali Muslim who just got released from Guantanamo, then don't have commercial dealings with Ubercab.

Blogger JWM in SD February 05, 2017 9:38 PM  

Okay, can we drop the CA is secede nonsense already. IT'S NOT GOING TO FUCKING HAPPEN!! The conspirators up to and Jerry Brown will be arrested long before it gets to that point. In fact, all that needs to happen is approval of 51st state of Jefferson and the calexit dies the next day.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 05, 2017 9:41 PM  

@Luke
So, excessive4 government regulation makes cabs safer, more reliable, responsive comfortable and convenient?
And that's why people are happy to pay more to use Uber.
And that's why most cab drivers are recent immigrants.

I know a fellow who drives both Uber and Lyft. Do you know what he thinks is the main attaction?

Uber cars are cleaner.

Uber cars have to be cleaner. If an Uber driver doesn't keep his car clean, he gets bad reviews and soon enough no business.

I mean, have you ever smelled the inside of a cab?

Blogger JWM in SD February 05, 2017 9:45 PM  

Right, a Jefferson state will kill the calexit movement in the crib so to speak. It embolden the other red counties in CA to consider doing the same.

Blogger Thucydides February 05, 2017 9:56 PM  

While civil war two will indeed be ugly, I just look at the electoral map of the Untied States (by county) and realize the war can be quickly and easily won. After all, where do these "Blue" islands get their food, water and energy from?

The keys would be to quickly cut the arteries leading to the "Blue" zones, and ensure traffic choke points like bridges and tunnels are blocked. Three days afterwards the stockpiled food in supermarkets and warehouses run out, and then the real fun begins. The Progressives will be trapped inside their cities with their carefully created shock troops (BLM, La Raza, Muslims and all the other identity groups) and realize that although they told themselves *they* were in control, it was the final act of self delusion.

Americans can go in and salvage whatever is usable in the cities perhaps a year later, after the bodies have decayed to ensure they don't spread plague back to the heartland.

Blogger Doom February 05, 2017 10:04 PM  

Give or take. The only people who will be terribly financially harmed... will be rotted with the rest. Is there anything good from cities at this point? Sure, the national economy will shrink. And? I am thinking that is a big part of the problem. Both due to the economic falsity, as well as the lack of humility.

Blogger MadMax 1861 February 06, 2017 1:21 AM  

If Trump's policies could get 8 million deported, new immigrants cut 99%, return industry to the USA, create a tax policy that rewards a white baby boom and discourages welfare babies, then I think the USA could be saved with minimal pain for most Americans.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit February 06, 2017 3:36 AM  

It doesn't matter if you have the government paperwork. You're still not American. You will never be American. Not even the adulterated American 2.0. And you have to go back.

Aaaaand this is where you lose the rhetorical war.

My 75 year old mom has to "go back" to Brazil with her USN Admiral Vietnam and Korean war veteran husband?

Are you out of your mind?

Prog 101: Never let a comprehensive ideological vision get derailed by boots-on-the-ground real-world experience.

Libertarians and conservatives run into this sometimes too.

Anonymous Discard February 06, 2017 4:48 AM  

I have thought for some time that real politics are, at this point, about getting positioned for war. Does Senator Schumer not know what he is doing and why? Is Hilary not a knowing traitor? 80 millions deportees is nothing. We could have 80 million dead. Maybe yes, maybe no, but nothing can be ruled out. Lots of grievances, lots of guns. When you say, It can't happen here, ask yourself if you would have said, "Homo marriage? Never happen!" "Discrimination against Whites? Don't be absurd!" "Import enough 3rd Worlders to make Whites a minority? I'll have what you're drinking!" Nothing is off the table anymore.

Note: The Chinese and Hindus need to go. They are an alien upper class, whose role is to displace the White professionals. That's why they were brought in. They are to be the betas as described in Huxley's "Brave New World". The alphas use them in as a barrier. A (((glass))) ceiling will keep the Asians out of the highest ranks, and an Asian ceiling will restrict working class Whites from rising to professional ranks.

OpenID aew51183 February 06, 2017 5:25 AM  

This is a partisan revolt by the left coast's judiciary and should be met with Impeachment.

The district judge's ruling ignores bright-line immigration law and cites a case related to FISH, not people (Winter v. Natural Resources Defense Council, Inc.)

OpenID aew51183 February 06, 2017 5:54 AM  

From the looks of it, if they're reduced to rulings this transparently unfounded and short-term delaying tactics, this means we've won and this is a mopup operation.

This, along with Trump giving the military side of the deep state just enough rope to hang itself, means he will have 100% solidified his victory against the deep state by summer.

Blogger Doom February 06, 2017 6:52 AM  

Might also be able to eliminate some of the judiciary. If their rulings are found to disregard letter, intent, and spirit, I could see an admin that is willing to push it a means of disrobing and disbarring. If your going for it, go for gold... or gonads. Whichever you need or want or will suit the effort best at the moment.

Blogger VD February 06, 2017 7:16 AM  

My 75 year old mom has to "go back" to Brazil with her USN Admiral Vietnam and Korean war veteran husband? Are you out of your mind?

And this is why tens of millions of people will die. Because millions of people like you will put your concerns for your foreign family members ahead of the interests of the American nation.

You won't fight for America. You won't defend it. You don't give a damn about it. You'll doom it to civil war and collapse in the interests of a single 75-year-old Brazilian. The dreadful thing is that you'll unhesitatingly sacrifice your children's future for your mother's "right" to die in a foreign land.

This "it's all about meeeeee" approach to analyzing public policy is one hallmark of a failed society.

Furthermore, why would you automatically assume that no exceptions will be made. Because, after all, there are never any exceptions in the application of a US-wide public policy, right?

Blogger VFM #7634 February 06, 2017 9:08 AM  

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Blogger VFM #7634 February 06, 2017 9:09 AM  

My 75 year old mom has to "go back" to Brazil with her USN Admiral Vietnam and Korean war veteran husband?

Are you out of your mind?


@Overgrown Hobbit
When this subject came up in another thread, someone pointed out that based on human history, foreign wives should stay but foreign husbands should leave with their American wives.

Although the case of Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-IL) has convinced me that maybe we should simply have a political test. If they like Trump, they can stay. If they're Democrats, they have to GTFO.

Anonymous Glacierman February 06, 2017 12:03 PM  

Our PM, Justin The Shiny Pony, is swinging open wide the doors to all the "refugees" of the planet, ensuring that this Nation will be infiltrated and overrun with people of the "Religion of Pieces". Justin was busted taking a "free" Christmas vacation to visit the Agha Khan, the divine leader of the Ismali Muslims, to his own private Bahamian Island with the Liberal Party of Canada President and family and a gay Liberal MP and his husband. The Agha Khan is a registered lobbyist in Canada which has just received another $55M for Muslim humanitarian projects around the world. We are already paying the Muslim tax, with the full blessing of our PM (the AK was a pollbearer at Pierre's funeral and Justin refers to him as a dear family friend) and the Liberal Canadian government.

You Americans should be building a second wall, for the threat is quietly building here. Calgary has the largest mosque in Canada, if not North America, and it is full to overflowing. Many young Muslims have embarked on their Jihad to the Middle East from this area.

Blogger Tom Locker February 06, 2017 2:23 PM  

Couldn't Trump "moot" these court decisions by simply canceling the EOs and reissuing slightly different ones?

Anonymous Pennywise February 06, 2017 2:40 PM  

If tens of millions of Americans die in this upcoming race war, so be it. They are not going to leave merely because someone said they ought to. The same logic can be applied by just one Italian toward foreigners living there who they believe are a detriment to their society. Is our host prepared to leave?

Blogger jjc February 06, 2017 3:09 PM  

VD wrote:My 75 year old mom has to "go back" to Brazil with her USN Admiral Vietnam and Korean war veteran husband? Are you out of your mind?

And this is why tens of millions of people will die.
...

Furthermore, why would you automatically assume that no exceptions will be made. Because, after all, there are never any exceptions in the application of a US-wide public policy, right?


How about Americans who adopted children from China or other places? Do we stay or do we go?

Blogger tz February 06, 2017 4:49 PM  

75 year old mom (reminds me of Vogon Grandmother from Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy).

I noted that simply not creating a nuisance should suffice.

If she is insisting on a $1M operation to extend her life 2 years though she has not paid even $10k in taxes, ...

There are minorities in every land, and they generally stay quiet and prosper.

When they wish to mooch or leech, and get uppity about it, or if they insist on quaint cultural things like not using toilets, things happen.

Anonymous Discard February 06, 2017 10:39 PM  

198. jjc. If those Chinese kids adopted by Americans are Democrats, then they go. That means they've assimilated to anti-White multi-cult bullshit. Don't want them. Fair enough?

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