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Wednesday, February 08, 2017

The return of the Red Horse

Nick Cole announces Riding the Red Horse, Vol. 2:
Tom Kratman and I have approached Castalia House with an idea put forth in this blog last week about doing a California Secession Anthology:  and it’s a go!

It’ll be the next installment of Kratman’s Riding the Red Horse anthology and it will focus on a fictional successful Secession of California and resulting Civil War within the US.  Currently we’re developing a timeline for the conflict with the assistance of an MI Officer who had POTUS level briefing access during the Iraq war.

Once the timeline is completed we’ll be inviting a Dream Team of today’s best MilSciFi and Science Fiction authors to game the ruination of the Golden State within short stories set against the backdrop of the conflict.  We expect controversy to accompany the launch as the real-time craziness of the current culture war probably spirals into a mess no one could’ve conceived.  But controversy sells and we’re stubborn enough to try, so… game on.
And if you look in the comments, you'll even be able to see who a few of the contributors will be.

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63 Comments:

Anonymous Just a VFM February 08, 2017 6:08 PM  

I'm excited!

Anonymous Loki7 February 08, 2017 6:09 PM  

Don`t forget a story about the secession of the Big Gay State of Steve.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 08, 2017 6:21 PM  

Awesome take my money will ya. Is the author list set?

Blogger Cederq February 08, 2017 6:23 PM  

Will a modern day William T Sherman be riding into Sacrtomato and LA to burn and raze it? One can only hope...

Anonymous BBGKB February 08, 2017 6:24 PM  

secession of the Big Gay State of Steve

I was going to submit a short story:

The day of CAEXIT the water was cut off, 3 days later they surrendered. The End.

Blogger EasyCompany February 08, 2017 6:33 PM  

I swear Nick Cole is sucking up all my spare money!

Blogger Fenris Wulf February 08, 2017 6:34 PM  

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Blogger Madame Ringading February 08, 2017 6:51 PM  

@5

"We surrender, for the sake of the delta smelt!"

Blogger Jose February 08, 2017 6:52 PM  

California is not seceding. Not until we build 15GW of new dispatchable capacity at least. And build a few cubic miles of water reservoirs. And invisible pink unicorns dance in the streets of San Francisco.

Blogger tz February 08, 2017 6:54 PM  

California imports energy, and their pension system is bankrupt and credit rating is not AAA. Their food may be a net export, but almonds aren't a staple and it needs energy and water (Colorado).

If it starts with a social implosion where silicon valley and Hollywood shut down due to black-outs, and people starving...

Blogger tz February 08, 2017 6:56 PM  

@4, you mean if EBT cards stop working? You won't need Sherman.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit February 08, 2017 7:06 PM  

Good Lord. Is there no end to the Castallia nonsense.

I hope you get the Orverdrive situation squared away because this would make a killer high school book talk.


Viva Castalia.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit February 08, 2017 7:07 PM  

Grrr. Using the old tablet. That "nonsense" was supposed to be "awesome."

Side note: I got to destroy LA with a giant angel of fire in one of John's RPGs.

Anonymous Peter Grant February 08, 2017 7:11 PM  

I've just spoken to Vox. Looks like I'm in it. Yippee!

Blogger pyrrhus February 08, 2017 7:16 PM  

Sounds fantastic!
@5 The day of CAEXIT the water was cut off, 3 days later they surrendered. The End.
Sure, but where's the fun in that? Cal invades Oregon, and Nevada to steal their water!

Blogger James Dixon February 08, 2017 7:19 PM  

> And invisible pink unicorns dance in the streets of San Francisco.

I thought they did that every night?

Blogger lubertdas February 08, 2017 7:23 PM  

Any chance you can get Jerry Pournelle to contribute? As a longtime resident of California, he may have some insight into this scenario.

Another person to contact would be Victor Davis Hanson, another longtime resident of CA, thought in a rural, now mostly Mexican area. His previous fiction is historical, but he might be able to contribute to the book, perhaps even a non-fiction piece speculating on his thoughts of a CALEXIT scenario.

Blogger Dave February 08, 2017 7:34 PM  

I'll buy it but somebody better kill off the SF 49ers.

Anonymous WaterBoy February 08, 2017 7:37 PM  

BBGKB @5: "The day of CAEXIT the water was cut off, 3 days later they surrendered. The End."

Perfected weather control via enhanced cloud seeding; viable and abundant desalination plants along the Pacific; undiscovered massive underground water reserves; climate change results in higher annual rainfall/snowpack;...the possibilities for self-sufficiency are plentiful enough in a SF world.

Blogger Knight Of the Realm February 08, 2017 7:39 PM  

This will be awesome! can't wait. We just keep winning

Blogger Ingot9455 February 08, 2017 7:45 PM  

California has a chance if the secession frees magic from the dampening effects of the Pentagon. Then the real struggle will be between the Hollywood Wiccan Cabalists and the Santeria brujeira of La Raza Cosmica.

Blogger Jose February 08, 2017 7:55 PM  

It was a long time ago, but isn't California seceding the turning point event in The Turner Diaries? And, more recently, in William S Lind's novel "Arcadia"?

Why don't you pick on another state. I hear Wyoming won't mind. Or Rhode Island, which fits inside a shopping mall.

Blogger Jose February 08, 2017 7:56 PM  

Dave wrote:I'll buy it but somebody better kill off the SF 49ers.

Somebody = their [former] fans.

I'm not an expert in sports or anything, so: is losing 12 games in a row normal?

Blogger Zach February 08, 2017 8:03 PM  

@23

If you're the Detroit Lions, yes. 16 baby! NFL record!

Blogger Dave February 08, 2017 8:07 PM  

That is so sad, Zach.

Wait, that sounds like sad sack; not you, of course, the Lions.

Anonymous Takin' a Look February 08, 2017 8:19 PM  

16? Somebody ought to take them behind the woodshed and put them out of their misery.

Anonymous WaterBoy February 08, 2017 8:26 PM  

Zach @24: "If you're the Detroit Lions, yes. 16 baby! NFL record!"

Worse. If you count the 2007 season finale loss to Green Bay and the 2009 season opener and week 2 losses to New Orleans and Minnesota, respectively (and not counting preseason games), their total losing streak added up to 19 games.

Blogger Chiva February 08, 2017 8:32 PM  

Please have one story where the state of Jefferson is victorious over the rainbow brigades of Governor Moonbeam.

Anonymous WaterBoy February 08, 2017 8:41 PM  

However, the longest ever NFL losing streak spanning two seasons was the '76-'77 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who went 0-14 and 0-12 for a 26-game losing streak, before winning their last two games of '77.

But we're #2! (And tied with the Raiders for that.)

Blogger Orville February 08, 2017 9:10 PM  

At least one story should have a Scientologist coup deposing the Silly Valley billionerds. According to Leah Remini John Travolta has license to murder. Theta level Tom Cruise will be the Grand Inquisitor. I can just see it, a wall around the Hollywood SeaOrg Vatican to keep the true believers from escaping.

Blogger Orville February 08, 2017 9:15 PM  

And on a serious note:

Now, a major military scholar is calling for the creation of “megacities combat units” – a proposal that is a major and drastic departure from warfare of the past, which has been designed away from cities. Now, military and paramilitary units, as well as local law enforcement, much engage the population itself – with all the unpredictability afforded by a real life, complex situation filled with combatants, non-combatants and friendlies behind any and all doors, etc.

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/army-preps-for-urban-warfare-in-megacities-mass-migration-disaster-and-inner-city-turmoil_02072017

Blogger Anonymous-9 February 08, 2017 9:17 PM  

The concept alone makes me whimper with pleasure.

Blogger Anonymous-9 February 08, 2017 9:17 PM  

The concept of the anthology, that is.

Blogger Stephen Ward February 08, 2017 9:19 PM  

is it out? is it out? is it out? is it out?!

Blogger USSHelm February 08, 2017 9:33 PM  

Can't wait.

Anonymous ENthePeasant February 08, 2017 9:37 PM  

I dunno, best to wait a year of so and do the history.

Anonymous DeeJay February 08, 2017 9:39 PM  

I'd be interested in reading this as well... but mostly to see the timeline of events that form the basis of the anthology. Obviously there needs to be something far more than LA and SF going "ew, Donald Trump, I can't even" to galvanize the state towards cutting loose in a unified fashion; I daresay an independent Cali would have even more to fear from US loyalists within its borders turning it into Sunny Yugoslavia. And yeah, getting Niven and/or Pournelle onboard would be great, too (even though they'd surely be appalled by the premise); I recall Oath of Fealty featured towed icebergs to get around the arcology's water situation.

Blogger Resident Moron™ February 08, 2017 9:58 PM  

Cederq

I'm reliably informed that that will be a guy riding a white horse ...

Anonymous Quadko February 08, 2017 9:58 PM  

We Coloradans are unhappy enough about the current water deal, none post succession. And I lived in WA during the Enron power shortages, so no external power, either.

Viva la Red Horse! Can't wait.

Anonymous Avalanche February 08, 2017 9:58 PM  

@31 "a major military scholar is calling for the creation of “megacities combat units” – a proposal"

Could include the LA and/or San Diego parts of proposal as one of the 'stories'?!

Blogger Resident Moron™ February 08, 2017 10:07 PM  

@Peter Grant

Will any descendants of Brings the Lightning feature in your contribution?

That'd be a nifty note. Perhaps as a member of the SoCal Resistance?

;)

Blogger Jose February 08, 2017 10:11 PM  

Orville wrote:Now, a major military scholar is calling for the creation of “megacities combat units” – a proposal that is a major and drastic departure from warfare of the past, which has been designed away from cities.

If by "now" we mean since at least 2003 maybe 2005, this is what William S Lind's columns have been about, when he's not celebrating the Kaiser's birthday. There's a major military scholar.

(Martin van Creveld has been harping on this for a long time, too, but then again Israelis get a lot of own-urban combat experience so it's not surprising they develop appropriate modus operandi.)

Blogger Jeff February 08, 2017 10:41 PM  

Looking forward to this book.

In the meantime, "People's Republic" by Kurt Schlichter was a good read on this subject. Not to give away the plot, but in his scenario, more than just California breaks away. But the plot takes place primarily in California...

Anonymous BBGKB February 08, 2017 11:01 PM  

Sure, but where's the fun in that? Cal invades Oregon, and Nevada to steal their water!

On the 2nd day Tranny Cannibal Biker Rapist gangs pour out seeking POWER & WATER.

pink unicorns dance in the streets of San Francisco...I thought they did that every night?

No furies are on Thursdays.

Blogger tz February 08, 2017 11:26 PM  

@22 Wyoming seceding is covered in "Molon Labe" by Boston T. Party.
I can only hope (I decided to move before, but then noticed... Cool!).

But Wyoming was the state with the greatest proportion (70%, WV was 68%) in favor of the God-Emperor.

I think you mean "Victoria", not "Arcadia" for the Lind novel.

Blogger tz February 08, 2017 11:29 PM  

pink unicorns dance in the streets of San Francisco

Patient Zero for something the CDC should cover.

Pinky Pie has "baloons" for a tattoo.

High Fructose UniCorn Syrup.

Blogger Elder Son February 08, 2017 11:35 PM  

You can try splitting MexiKaliForniKation in 2 N/S, but realistically, it would be W/E along the San Andreas and Sierras.

Blogger Jose February 08, 2017 11:39 PM  

tz wrote:I think you mean "Victoria", not "Arcadia" for the Lind novel.

Yes, that's it, Victoria.

For anyone wondering whether to read it, it begins with the [female, gay, satanist] Bishop of Boston being burned at the stake. In the near future.

Highlights (so many good parts but spoilers): Lesbian-flown F22s against men using guerrilla tactics on the California border. Defenestration of an HHSS bureaucrat. Tar and feathers. Really, tar and feathers. Crucifixions. Race-realism and Nazi baddies. A big city gets nuked. Über-luddite.

In other words, clean fun for the whole family.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 09, 2017 12:04 AM  

@17 lubertdas
Victor Davis Hanson,
---

I love his non fiction, some of my favorite

Blogger Silly But True February 09, 2017 12:35 AM  

Victoria. Hmmm, where did I first hear of this: http://voxday.blogspot.com/2014/11/victoria-novel-of-4th-generation-war.html?m=1

Blogger Revelation Means Hope February 09, 2017 1:05 AM  

Speaking as a native Californian, I would buy this book and multiple copies for my family. Maybe some friends too.

It was barely within my lifetime that California elected Ronald Reagan as governor. There are still sane people in the state. But we are vastly outnumbered by insane liberals.

Blogger Dystopian Jackanapes February 09, 2017 2:19 AM  

Fascinating possibles... Drug cartels as the new engines of industry. Hollywood leading the way in public education. Southern Cali a south American mecca. The new San Fran homosexual hegemony...

Blogger bruce February 09, 2017 4:29 AM  

£37 DJ- 'I recall Oath of Fealty used towed icebergs to get around the arcology water situation'.

Maybe tow icebergs past a thirsty seceded California to Baja California just to be mean?

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 09, 2017 7:37 AM  

Cali leaves peaceably.
Conflict arises among the States that want to leave Cali alone and the Kratman types.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 09, 2017 10:51 AM  

Cali leaves and takes their electoral college, and idiotic boxers, pelosis, etc with them.

The rest of the USA enters a golden age where all left wingery is hunted down and destroyed, and they colonize space, and nearby solar clusters aboard ships named "Pizza Monsters Doom" and "We Dont Care".

Blogger Jose February 09, 2017 7:52 PM  

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Blogger Tom Kratman February 09, 2017 8:19 PM  

"Conflict arises among the States that want to leave Cali alone and the Kratman types."

There is, of course, no reason not to let California go, Jaime. They surely won't serve as a conduit for more illegal immigration. The border that suddenly becomes not only about 8 times longer but considerably friendlier to crosses will not be crossed, even so. Millions of liberal Californians won't flee the nightmare they'll have created to create more nightmares among us. We won't need - nor even have the slightest use for - any of the ports on the Pacific (because Washington and Oregon would never follow Cali out, anymore than Alabama followed South Carolina). We have no reason to want them to take their fair share of the national debt. Naturally, once New York, New England, New Jersey, Illinois, Oregon, and Washington follow California out, we and they will be perfectly happy, and never fight, because we hate each other in perfect amity. And if anyone believes any of that, they're idiots.

Since you seem to want to live in a much smaller and more vulnerable country, might I suggest that you move to one? I recommend that libertarian paradise, Albania.

Blogger Tom Kratman February 09, 2017 8:21 PM  

There is only one way to treat a secessionist California; mobilize, invade, conquer, crush, massacre, gulag, and sell the survivors who did not help with the above as slaves.

Blogger Jose February 09, 2017 10:27 PM  

For all the people rooting for a Calexit for... reasons?

Gross regional product of California (2015) ~ $2.5 Trillion

(Comparable to gross domestic product of France (2016) ~ $2.5 Trillion)

Gross domestic product of US (2015) ~ $18 Trillion

Losing 14% of its GDP isn't something the US government would allow.

Blogger Jose February 09, 2017 10:34 PM  

Tom Kratman wrote:There is only one way to treat a secessionist California; mobilize, invade, conquer, crush, massacre, gulag, and sell the survivors who did not help with the above as slaves.

Crush etc... 14% of US's own GDP? Isn't there some saying about cutting off nose to spite face that applies here?

Also, any chance of Jerry Pournelle, Martin van Creveld, and William S Lind participating? Lind has already done a secession story in "Victoria," though.

Blogger Tom Kratman February 09, 2017 11:23 PM  

Some things are worth more than mere money, Jose. Moreever, do note that a) crush means different things, and in no wise means the actual scouring of an area down to bedrock, while b) the section on selling as slaves those not killed and who failed to support the United States means we need not lose all the GDP, nor even most of it.

Blogger Jose February 10, 2017 2:14 PM  

Tom Kratman wrote:Some things are worth more than mere money, Jose. Moreover, do note that a) crush means different things, and in no wise means the actual scouring of an area down to bedrock, while b) the section on selling as slaves those not killed and who failed to support the United States means we need not lose all the GDP, nor even most of it.

I hesitate to respond, as I don't want to delay this book (take my money, please!), but there's an underlying misconception here that must be addressed. In three points:

1. In an information economy, the value is in the people and not equitably distributed at that. So, a $1B lab with 1000 workers is worthless if the top 20-50 researchers in that lab are motivated to be uncreative, let alone disruptive. Even in the extractive plus industrial economy of the early 1920s, France didn't get from their occupation of the Ruhr anywhere close to the productivity they expected, due to passive resistance. Slaves have little incentive to come up with creative ideas to benefit their enslavers, and we really live in a creativity-based economy not an information-processing economy.

2. If anything, that 14% of GDP underestimates the importance of California to the US and world economy, or more precisely it underestimates the importance of California-based nodes to the network that creates and maintains technological advantage and propels economic growth. A corollary of this networking is that other great powers (China comes to mind; they hold a lot of US debt, so they can pressure US that way) might have an incentive in preserving the network more than keeping the US a political union.

3. Information economies are a lot more integrated than is apparent by the movement of either goods or people. For example [SPOILERS for Victoria] when Lind basically advocates a "simpler" existence at the end of Victoria, he forgot to tell his readers that most modern technology and medicine would soon end. Yes, end, not stagnate. Without the information economy infrastructure, the products of that economy don't simply become industrial commodities (what most people assume), they become magical incantations ("press this button, wait three seconds") dependent on a shrinking pool of working magic (factories and machinery, yes, but also qualified lab techs and maintenance engineers).

Cheers,
JCS

Blogger Tom Kratman February 10, 2017 9:36 PM  

And I don't really care. Crucifixion is, if it comes down to it, a wonderful motivator. Crucifixion of families can be better still.

But even if not, even if we lost 14% of our GDP to obliterate 50% of our problems, it would be a bargain. Even if we lost 14% or more of our GDP to prevent California from continuing its sheer perversion of the country it would be a bargain. And, if it's a question of losing California, or Cali's 14%+ of GDP, and still having it pervert our country by serving as a conduit for barbarian migration, or becoming such a freak fest that slightly less insanely liberal whites inflict themselves on the rest of us, then crushing it is _still_ worth doing.

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