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Tuesday, February 28, 2017

There is no us

Univision's Jorge Ramos declares that the USA belongs to 60 million Latino invaders, not We, the People, the Posterity of the Founding Fathers:
Univision senior anchor Jorge Ramos declared on Friday that the United States belongs to Latino migrants, emphatically stating to a Spanish-speaking audience that “it is our country, not theirs.”
Ramos took an unusual tack, pivoting from talk of diversity and togetherness into boasts of conquest. Mass immigration, particularly illegal immigration, was a fait accompli. There is nothing the U.S. can do about it, and they must accept that America is “not their” country and that illegal aliens, particularly Latinos, “are not going to leave,” he said.

“I am an immigrant, just like many of you,” Ramos said in Spanish, as translated by the Media Research Center. “I am a proud Latino immigrant here in the United States. My name is Jorge Ramos, and I work at Univision and at the Fusion network.”

“And you know exactly what is going on here in the United States. There are many people who do not want us to be here, and who want to create a wall in order to separate us,” he said.

“But you know what? This is also our country. Let me repeat this: Our country, not theirs. It is our country. And we are not going to leave. We are nearly 60 million Latinos in the United States,” he continued. “And thanks to us, the United States eats, grows and, as we’ve seen today, sings and dances.”

“So when they attack us, we already know what we are going to do. We are not going to sit down. We will not shut up. And we will not leave. That is what we are going to do,” he added.
Yet another nail in the coffin of the historically illiterate civic nationalists. And yet another brick in the strong intellectual foundation of the Alt-Right. The message is very clear: "It's our country now. You lost, just like the Indians so get over it and get out."

It doesn't matter whether you are a libertarian, a conservative, a liberal, a progressive, or a constitutionalist. Your ideology is outdated and irrelevant. It's all identity politics now, and politics is a subset of war. If the matter cannot be resolved politically - and the fact that this is the largest invasion in human history strongly suggests it cannot be - it will be resolved with violence.

The USA will be physically divided. At this point, the only serious questions are a) where the lines will be drawn, b) the level of violence involved, and c) precisely whom is going to be permitted to remain where.

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Anonymous WinstonWebb February 28, 2017 11:07 AM  

“So when they attack us, we already know what we are going to do. We are not going to sit down. We will not shut up. And we will not leave...

...while still vertical.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer February 28, 2017 11:09 AM  

Ramos should be immediately arrested for fomenting revolution within our borders and aiding a foreign country against the interests of the united States. Univision should also be implicated for giving a platform to Ramos.

Blogger Pteronarcyd February 28, 2017 11:09 AM  

"At this point, the only serious questions are ... c) precisely whom is going to be permitted to remain where.

All illegal aliens must be move outside the boundaries of the nation. No exceptions.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) February 28, 2017 11:10 AM  

The USA will be physically divided. At this point, the only serious questions are a) where the lines will be drawn, b) the level of violence involved, and c) precisely whom is going to be permitted to remain where.

North of the Ohio and west of the Mississippi sound good to me.

Anonymous Who Dat February 28, 2017 11:13 AM  

Why say only illegal aliens have to leave? If they magically become legal then your argument becomes null and void. All foreign born and their anchor babies must go would be a more honest policy

Blogger tz February 28, 2017 11:13 AM  

I didn't know about the 1930's reconquista

Liberal slant as it's DN, but we CAN do it again

Blogger James Dixon February 28, 2017 11:14 AM  

> The USA will be physically divided.

Assuming one side doesn't decide to simply exterminate the other. Rhetoric like Jorge Ramos' makes that more likely.

Blogger Sherwood family February 28, 2017 11:14 AM  

They have to go back. All of them. Each of these pronouncements moves us toward blood and soil style nationalism in the US with the inevitable winnowing of the population that will take place as a result. It did not have to be that way but I see no way to avoid it now.

Anonymous BluePony February 28, 2017 11:16 AM  

"North of the Ohio and west of the Mississippi sound good to me."

North of Mexico, South of Canada, East of the Pacific and West of the Atlantic sounds even better.

Not one fucking square inch ceded.

Blogger The Remnant February 28, 2017 11:18 AM  

Like an exterminator, Trump is flushing all the cockroaches out into plain view. The homeowners cannot ignore them any longer.

Anonymous patrick kelly February 28, 2017 11:19 AM  

I really want you (VD, ilk, VFM, ELOL) to be wrong about this, but I cannot see how, without some miraculous divine intervention.

So I stay alert, preparing for the worst as best as I can, and alerting others who indicate they may be receptive.

Anonymous Sam the Man February 28, 2017 11:22 AM  

The US does seem to be headed to a break up or some sort of change of mind/heart that leads to separating/segregation. The post WWII era rejected racism after viewing where it went in its most virulent form in Germany and Japan. Oddly that rejection might ultimately lead to the same thing playing out in the next decade or two, because of the rejection of reality such a mind set entailed. Separation of the nation will not work, only emigration followed by evacuation will. Evacuation might end up being much like it was in eastern Europe 70 years ago, harsh and unrelenting.

The insolvable problem to peaceful separation seems to be if you did do a partition of the US, in short order the Latino populations would be pouring over the border again to escape the failed state. For whatever reason no Latin state other than Chile , Uruguay and Paraguay have been able to create reasonable functional countries. Hence the outflow to the north.

Had folks taken a more reasonable approach and continued with the Eisenhower policies, perhaps the Mexico would have had to reform and not remained the corrupt sinkhole it is today.

Well One can pray for peace and a painless resolution to all Latin invasion, but it is time to prepare for the worst. And that includes dealing with the fellow travelers who enabled this.

Blogger Jourdan February 28, 2017 11:26 AM  

Well, no shit. I'm glad Ramos is speaking openly what every Mexican knows already, but really, no shit.

And I can tell you, sitting here in Mexico, where I am currently for my work, that there has been ZERO CHANGE in U.S. Government policy here.

CBP is broadcasting commercials saying there has been no change.

ICE is broadcasting commercials saying there has been no change.

DHS Sec Kelly was in Mexico City last Thursday, and he said there will be no change, and that the "wall" would not be across the whole border and that, in any case, there needed to be environmental impact statements first.

Just to be clear, Sec Kelly then said.

"Let me be clear, there will be no mass deportations, everything we do in DHS will be done legally," DHS Chief John Kelly said during a press conference following meetings with Mexican leaders...."
-- NBC News report

Blogger John Williams February 28, 2017 11:27 AM  

They don't need to leave, they'll compost nicely. Then they'll be our dirt.

Blogger Doom February 28, 2017 11:27 AM  

This notion reminds me a great deal of pizzagate. There could be things unseens, probably are things there. There are things happening, arrests and such. But will the main event ever really happen or is it just a fishing story?

I really am not seeing it in this area. People here seem to be more willing to slowly surrender than do anything real. Churches, whether protestant, Catholic, mormon, are all against the West, officially, and for more warmigration. The goverments and big businesses are against any sort of warfare except warmigration.

If you are depending on a weak and battered people to carry this war, the only ones who seem willing to fight are already fighting. They are not on the side of the West. Without some political cover (and, no, Trump himself is not enough), without a greater fear of the invasion than of craven cowardice in the population, I... don't see it happening.

It looks like a slow crawl to a mildly bloody end of a nation, a people. If they decide to fight, it may well already be far too late. It's at "too late" now, or soon, as is. How often does freedom, or some form of it, spring from among a people? What does it cost? How long does it last? Europe is done and America is following. Which hits bottom first doesn't really matter, that's just a matter of proximity given both are in civil freefall. If you liked it, you'll just have to wait for the next shot at it. Though, in these times, that might be a rather long time. No new lands to grow freedom in.

Anonymous WeAreTheWest February 28, 2017 11:28 AM  

Not one fucking square inch ceded.

This.

Anonymous Eduardo the Magnificent February 28, 2017 11:29 AM  

This is a declaration of war. No doubt about it. I said on election night that Trump works for us now. Well, either he removes these sacks of shit or we'll have to do it ourselves. The only question is how long we give him to complete the mission. Because, as you can see, the enemy is getting cocky.

Anonymous fop February 28, 2017 11:31 AM  

Your papers please, Jorge.

Blogger Sherwood family February 28, 2017 11:31 AM  

If that is what Kelly said then he needs to be got rid of.

Anonymous fop February 28, 2017 11:35 AM  

Just so we all understand the gravity of Jorge's comments:

"Polls among American Latinos rank him as the most trusted and influential Hispanic in America, surpassing all other political leaders, and his Q Score among Latino audiences places him between footballer Lionel Messi and pop singer Shakira."

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 28, 2017 11:38 AM  

Maybe it can be said that politics is preparation of the battle space.

Anonymous Baseball Savant February 28, 2017 11:40 AM  

North of the Ohio and west of the Mississippi sound good to me.

Can we make one exception for Vanderburgh Co. in Indiana???? We're basically Kentuckians!

Blogger Jourdan February 28, 2017 11:41 AM  

Sherwood, you and I understand what is going on and the scope of the problem. It's so painful to watch even our side not get it nor understand what we're facing. I almost with that guys like you and I didn't know what we know from our careers, if you see what I mean.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 28, 2017 11:42 AM  

Exactly. Did only the "illegal" Pieds-Noirs have to leave Algeria?

Anonymous Sam the Man February 28, 2017 11:43 AM  

Doom,

I see what you are seeing as well. Most folks are not up for a fight.

That said I can think of 5 times in our history where it appeared folks had no heart for the fight, and then a single event changed that, the last one in living memory.

I will cover 3, ignoring the Mexican American war and how we go into WWI:

1) prior to the attack on Fort Sumter most of the opinion in the north was to let the 7 states that had succeeded go. If you read the popular press of 1861 (pre April) there was no real enthusiasm for war, most Northern press were expecting the southern states to seek re-admittance in a year or two. Only the abolitionist press were pushing for open conflict, and they had been discredited by Jon Browns raid in 1859.

All that changed with the Fort Sumter bombardment.

2) WWII. Prior to Pearl Harbor the vast majority of Americans wanted nothing to do with War, they remembered the 232,000 dead for pretty much nothing just 20 years before. You must also recall that 112,000 of those deaths occurred in about 3 months in 1918 (August through October) followed by another 100,000 plus in the late fall of 1918/winter of 1919. The Americans were just as suspicious of the elites then as now.

Pearl Harbor changed that.

3) 9/11. If you had advocated we would get into 2 major wars in the middle east without on the 10th of September 2001, you would have had no support. None/zip, nada. No possibility after Vietnam.

One day later things changed.

Right now the left is very much up in arms, angry and over estimating their strength. The right has had it and tensions on the right are like a coiled spring. We are one serious incident away from a diametrically different mind set. All it will take is a match.

Blogger tz February 28, 2017 11:43 AM  

They, the blacks, the immigrants, etc. will draw first blood but spark a race war.
Whites are tolerant, but when the blue cities are in flames, cops being killed, etc., in the less diverse areas, the few will be seen as outsiders, and traitors even if they have been nice neighbors so far.

It didn't take even that with the Japanese in WW2.

There are now two identities and it is at the brink of war.

When the debt pyramid collapses, watch out.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) February 28, 2017 11:44 AM  

Can we make one exception for Vanderburgh Co. in Indiana???? We're basically Kentuckians!

No, but you can request political asylum

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Hair February 28, 2017 11:44 AM  

Bring it, m-----------! Your country? No! YOUR COUNTRY IS AWASH WITH DRUGS AND CARTELS! YOUR AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP, IF ICE AND STATE HAD ANY COURAGE, THAT YOU OBTAINED SHOULD BE SUMMARILY REVOKED!!!!

My family, depending on which side, has been here since 1816 roughly! Unfortunately I can't lay claim to being a Son of the American Revolution, one of the first 50 families of VA, or having come over on the Mayflower. Nonetheless: this is our country! You wanna try to take us on? Good luck!

Oh...*spoiler alert* you're going to lose!

"Assuming one side doesn't decide to simply exterminate the other. Rhetoric like Jorge Ramos' makes that more likely."

@7 Exactly! What would be an interesting wild card in a wargaming scenario like that would be, would UN multinational forces get involved? Who would they side with? Would NATO?

"They have to go back. All of them. Each of these pronouncements moves us toward blood and soil style nationalism in the US with the inevitable winnowing of the population that will take place as a result. It did not have to be that way but I see no way to avoid it now."

@8 It does not have to be that way but the longer it goes on the further it lurches toward that eventuality. What people do not understand is that making a description of the current atmosphere is no different than saying it's raining. It's not necessarily asking for rain or agreeing with the rain. If it does happen, what will you and the other FSOs do? Come home? Shelter in place?

@13 Disappointing to hear that from Kelly. I propose the same question to you that I did to Sherwood.

@20 Agreed.

As @17 said, they're going to be removed. It's a question of whether Trump does his job or it has to be done by other means. Note to the feds: JUST DO YOUR JOB!

One last note: even liberal family members are getting sick and tired of all the foreign language nonsense. That hit me, pleasantly albeit, most of all when I heard it over the weekend.

Blogger Robert Divinity February 28, 2017 11:45 AM  

No doubt things have accelerated and Ramos feels compelled to employ triumphalist rhetoric. Marxists who want to destroy Western Civilization believe the window has started to close. While likely unintentional, the furor over Trump's rather unremarkable travel ban did flush out communist fear the United States isn't flooded to the tipping point. Whether that fear is unfounded or not is another issue. I note Jourdan @13, and some cuck entryism into the Trump Administration, may indicate the door still could be kept open. Even so, historians may mark the violent opposition to even the announcement of immigration control as the start of United States' unraveling.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 28, 2017 11:48 AM  

@Sam the Man
Uses "racism" non-ironically.

A few sentences later, "For whatever reason no Latin state other than Chile , Uruguay and Paraguay have been able to create reasonable functional countries." Top kek. It's a mystery. Whatever you do, don't notice what those countries have in common. Or what distinguishes, say, Southern Brazil from the favelas.

Well, at least you've made it to a fairly strong form of civic nationalism. You'll get there.

Blogger tz February 28, 2017 11:48 AM  

@25 - exactly.
Civic nationalism will stay until the illusion that Morlocks can become Eloi is broken, or the Morlocks start killing and burning and looting (the latter not via the tax system, but physically).
While doing so, like Ramos above, they will shout Morlocks are the real Americans!

Blogger Eric Mueller February 28, 2017 11:50 AM  

They may not plan to leave, but it may come down to them being physically removed.

Most of us productive Americans could probably opt for somewhere more friendly to us, like Eastern Europe, but as they destroy what's left of this country, they'd just follow us. We'd have to take a stand eventually.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 28, 2017 11:51 AM  

Is it true Ramos tweeted "Gas the whites, race war now"

Blogger dc.sunsets February 28, 2017 11:52 AM  

Ramos is confused. Does he think he and his Mestizo army are the Visigoths?

Not buying that one. Messico is pushing their undesirables north. We can most assuredly push them back south.

Blogger tz February 28, 2017 11:52 AM  

@30 Argentina was ascendant in 1930, until the Perons took over. This is what we dodged with Hillary, but we need to hit UNDO for a generation of changes.

Anonymous Precious February 28, 2017 11:54 AM  

There are nuclear power plants in California. We don't want to turn those over to incompetents like Jorge and then learn they can't stop a meltdown. The radiation will blow east into the rest of the USA.

Blogger Sherwood family February 28, 2017 11:59 AM  

Yep. This is going to be an epic fight. Trump is in the process of trying to drain the swamp but the denizens of the swamp are doing everything they can to divert every available river, stream, creek, or rivulet they can back into the swamp to keep it fetid and inaccessible to outsiders. Heads are going to have to roll and the fear of the God Emperor will have to fall upon those in government. The rules have to change to allow federal employees to be fired like those in the private sector. No pork barrels, iron rice bowls, or permanent gravy trains must be left when Trump is finished

Blogger Paul February 28, 2017 11:59 AM  

Short of an Hispanic-specific pathogen, he's right. Language is culture, and Hispanics have already created their own parallel, non-assimilating culture within the U. S. not simply through coast to coast Spanish language media but also with the help of businesses like Walmart, Home Depot, Lowes and others normalizing Spanish as the de facto second U. S. language through bilingual signage throughout their stores.

Marx was actually right: nothing dissolves culture, in this case, prior, assimilation-valuing English language culture, more powerfully than capitalism, which only values its own mathematical self. To have even the most remote hope of success the U. S. would have to make hiring illegal labor a mandatory imprisonable offense close to child molestation and to adopt and universally enforce English-only as the official language of all public transactions. That still wouldn't put Spanish language media or private commercial signage out of business. Meanwhile, young blond Millennial women are marrying excitingly dark-eyed Hispanic boys, so different from their own mean daddies, bearing their children, and giving them fully Hispanic names.

According to Tom Tancredo, the Mexican-born population of the U. S. is really closer to 25 million. We're going to need a whole new Anglo-linguistic patriotic nationalism to rise up within the Hispanic communities themselves wherein giving their children anything but fully Anglicized names is seen as reprehensibly low class and unacceptable. The population is simply too big at this point to be amenable to any exterior solution.

The days where racking the AR might have solved anything significant are long since past.

Anonymous Just another commenter February 28, 2017 12:01 PM  

Treason? Inciting insurrection? Declaring war?

At some point, things start to get ugly, and pretty much every time there has been a conflict between whites and native Americans of any brownish tone it's not got well for the darker-skin folks.

Just sayin'.

Blogger Gapeseed February 28, 2017 12:02 PM  

End the Drug War, which would undercut the Mexican Civil War and help bring stability to that country. Cartels previously incentivized to evade border security with drug mules and the like would lose all incentive to bring people north. More generally, the deescalating violence would slow the migration and help grow the Mexican economy, drawing Mexicans back to Mexico. Tax the imported drugs, and suddenly, Mexico is paying for a wall.

Libertarians and alt-right unite. Win-win-win.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 28, 2017 12:03 PM  

Why does Ramos think he's a mestizo? Because he's so short? Or (more likely), because he wants some of that non-White privilege? In a different cultural milieu, he'd be on the other side. Race is a not a social construct, but "Hispanic" certainly is.

Blogger Soothsayer February 28, 2017 12:06 PM  

Might is right. If you do not defend your home someone will take it from you. Look at history, the world is littered with places where people have been invaded and annihilated. Genocide has occurred again and again. The English took England from those that were there, the Americans took America from those that were their, the Arabs took much of the Middle-East and North-Africa from those that were there. Empires have risen and fallen, nations have come into being and disappeared from history. The soil is soaked with the blood of those that were weaker. Our ancestors built our nation with the sword and the plough and the anvil. Unless we defend our ground we will also disappear perhaps unrecorded from history, our lineage stopped by fiercer invaders. Inviting vast numbers of aliens into a nation produces the same result eventually that a violent and bloody invasion would have, as we passively surrender our right to ownership of the land. Our present situation is that serious and deadly dangerous.

Blogger Sherwood family February 28, 2017 12:06 PM  

Care has to be taken. We need to simply remove tax funding for foreign language materials, signage, etc. FCC needs to be compelled to stipulate that all broadcasts originating in the U.S. must be in English.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 28, 2017 12:07 PM  

Interesting that you illustrated your point with 3 examples of how Whites were manipulated into supporting wars that should never have been fought, and that had disastrous effects on the West. Just a cohencidence, I'm sure.

Blogger Nate February 28, 2017 12:07 PM  

i am not sure the US will be divided... i think it more likely that the brown types will flee.

Blogger Hail Jesus February 28, 2017 12:08 PM  

btw guys
trump, and putin for that matter, are controlled opposition..
controlled by the jew, that is

Blogger Nate February 28, 2017 12:08 PM  

that said... I would obviously prefer it to split.

Anonymous Looking Glass February 28, 2017 12:08 PM  

@11 One of the hardest things to learn, when one is intelligent, is that the "correct" answer tends to be very nasty, which is why everyone avoids it so much.

@15 Until the fighting actually starts. The slow-death cycle only works so long as no one starts actually killing people that are important. In difference to the setting, I won't go into it, but things will change rapidly when certain events start to play out in Europe.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Operation_Downfall

I also think it's good to remember what will happen when "the White Man goes to War". We've really not seen any society-scale War since WW2, and since that is now "ancient history", it's frighteningly easy to forget what will happen.

Mr. Ramos better hope things go more peacefully than he's advocating for. For his and everyone else's sake.

Blogger VD February 28, 2017 12:09 PM  

We're going to need a whole new Anglo-linguistic patriotic nationalism to rise up within the Hispanic communities themselves wherein giving their children anything but fully Anglicized names is seen as reprehensibly low class and unacceptable.

That's a) stupid, and b) not going to happen.

There are three choices. a) partition, b) mass repatriation, c) elimination. And continuing to do nothing is one of the two variants of (c), it only means that whites will play the role of the American Indian.

Anonymous Grayman February 28, 2017 12:10 PM  

So let’s see how this plays out….

(1) The vast majority of Hispanics are in major urban areas and primarily in the southwest south central US See page 8 (https://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/c2kbr-35.pdf)
(2) The US population has a per capita firearm ownership rate of 1.12 (more than 1 gun per person) (https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32842.pdf)
(3) Just for kicks look at the map in this article and compare it to the ethnicity map in item 1 (https://www.qdma.com/hunter-density-across-u-s/)
(4) Registered hunters in 2016: Pennsylvania 1,299,372 Michigan 1,005,000 Wisconsin 894,543 New York 812,446. For a 4 state total of 3,206,361 registered hunters. Once again look at the ethnicity map and take a guess at the background of those hunters. To put that into perspective the entire standing Chinese military is 3.5 million people.
(5) If ethnic cleansing is started by one group or the other is escalates quickly and ends messily.

Blogger Paul February 28, 2017 12:13 PM  


That's a) stupid, and b) not going to happen.

There are three choices. a) partition, b) mass repatriation, c) elimination. And continuing to do nothing is one of the two variants of (c), it only means that whites will play the role of the American Indian.


I'm more than happy to see either partition, mass repatriation, or both. Who will do either or both, and how?

Blogger Paul February 28, 2017 12:14 PM  

By the way, VD, I happen to live in the Southwest U. S. and smack in the middle of all this. Who, for example, imagines walling Texas off from the U. S.?

Anonymous Greyman February 28, 2017 12:15 PM  

This racial conflicts in the US don't ignite until the economy truly crashes. When EBT stops, when the struggling middle to upperclass whites who pay for most of this hit the wall and see no hope for maintaining their socioeconomic way of life, then things get real very quickly.

It only takes a handful of pissed off and motivated individuals to shut down the infrastructure to entire urban areas. I'm guessing there are more than a few who fall into that category in just the registered hunters I listed....

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) February 28, 2017 12:17 PM  

By the way, VD, I happen to live in the Southwest U. S. and smack in the middle of all this. Who, for example, imagines walling Texas off from the U. S.?

I think that Texas would be just fine with independence. I think many Texans would agree.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 28, 2017 12:18 PM  

@Soothsayer
All true. Yet history is replete with examples of the murder of peoples and civilzations, but seems to lack any cases similar to our ongoing assisted suicide. The mind virus, and those who nurture and spread it, are the real problem. Mestizos, Somalians, Arabs, etc.-- all laughable as military threats, in the absence of the underlying problem.

Anonymous The OASF February 28, 2017 12:22 PM  

The USA will soon declare war full scale war on Mexico. I have predicted this for decades now.

It's the perfect scenario for all involved (kinda) that will keep the intrinsically useful whites from being totally exterminated and yet at the same time will further the NWO profit machine and agendas.

Blogger Nate February 28, 2017 12:23 PM  

"Not one fucking square inch ceded."

see y'all care a lot more about this than we do. We don't view these places as America anyway. To us... you're all riled up about losing a tumor.

Anonymous BBGKB February 28, 2017 12:28 PM  

And thanks to us, the United States eats, grows The US "eats & grows" even before food stamps

All illegal aliens must be move outside the boundaries of the nation. No exceptions.

An exception can be made for those who prefer to move 6 feet down.

and that, in any case, there needed to be environmental impact statements first.

If the environmental impact study accounts for less Latino Littering the wall could be built of toxic & nuclear waste.

Short of an Hispanic-specific pathogen, he's right.

One of the early HxNy bird flues had wetbacks crying out that it must have been a bioweapon because it broke double digit mortality rates with them, not being smart enough to know that smallpox killed 30% of whites before the vaccine.

remote hope of success the U. S. would have to make hiring illegal labor a mandatory imprisonable offense close to child molestation

Podesta and most of the left would like child molestation to have the same punishment as hiring illegals.

Anonymous FP February 28, 2017 12:31 PM  

“But you know what? This is also our country. Let me repeat this: Our country, not theirs. It is our country. And we are not going to leave. We are nearly 60 million Latinos in the United States,”

Un pais por todos (solamente latinos)! Nice of Ramos to finally admit he is part of the tan clan.

There is a radio station in the Portland area that has as its tagline, "Pura Raza". Two plus generations of "immigrants" being taught the opposite of civic nationalism means things will not end peaceably.

Blogger Resident Moron™ February 28, 2017 12:31 PM  

American VFM should be very grateful that you have the right to arm yourselves in defense against scum like this. Most westerners live in a condition of state-enforced vulnerability.

Some of you will still die, but many more of you will have a better than even chance to kill them first.

Now is the time when the exceptional wisdom of your forefathers is to be emphatically demonstrated, and the foolishness of the rest of us revealed in stark contrast.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 28, 2017 12:33 PM  

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Yszp3SmxE

Anonymous ZhukovG February 28, 2017 12:33 PM  

On July 2nd, 2024 the federal armies, under the command of General of the Army, Tom Kratman, took control of the heights above Los Angeles. He is said to have remarked to his executive officer, “The whole of Los Angeles and its inhabitants are not worth the bones of a single Alabama Private”. General Kratman ordered his artillery deployed on ridgelines above the rebellious city and on the morning of July 4th, in an event now known as the ‘Fireworks of 24’, ordered a rolling bombardment of the city. The ‘cease fire’ was not called until shells were falling in the pacific.

On July 11th, when the last of the fires had burned themselves out, the surviving inhabitants were permitted to surrender for deportation.

Blogger Sillon Bono February 28, 2017 12:36 PM  

For whatever reason no Latin state other than Chile , Uruguay and Paraguay have been able to create reasonable functional countries. Hence the outflow to the north.

That is very, very easy to explain, Pinochet used free helicopter rides to exterminate the leftards.

See, no leftards = No 5th column, no social shenanigans.

Also he specially kept (((them))) at bay, specially the most dangerous ones (the marxistoids).

Blogger JACIII February 28, 2017 12:36 PM  

Not so much. Good folks - spent a summer there, but more akin to buckeyes. No offense.

Blogger Sam Lively February 28, 2017 12:40 PM  

Turning California into a magnetic sanctuary state (legislation actually pending right now) and then a Calexit would be an interesting first step. Doesn't get the pre-1965 demos, but sheds 55 hard blue EVs, plus externalizing the hard left propaganda hubs in Silicon Valley and Hollywood.

A Cali-less USA would have a lot more political and cultural support for strict immigration policies and multiculturalism would lose its stranglehold over the popular culture.

Blogger Alexander February 28, 2017 12:40 PM  

7/4/24 will be one for the history books. Brings a tear to the eye just thinking about it.

Anonymous fop February 28, 2017 12:41 PM  

When the first shot is fired, the only question remaining will be "How many 1992 Nissan pickup trucks can squeeze through the Tijuana border crossing at the same time?"

Blogger VD February 28, 2017 12:42 PM  

Most of us productive Americans could probably opt for somewhere more friendly to us, like Eastern Europe

No, you can't. Europe doesn't want Americans. Europeans understand America is at least partly to blame for many of their problems, including the Syrian invasion and the Ukrainian situation.

Blogger BassmanCO February 28, 2017 12:45 PM  

@56 Nate, I have lived in Colorado all 42 of my years. It used to be a good, sensible place to live. The blue rot that has seeped in over the last 20 or so years has been palpable. If we could get rid of the liberals, this would still be as good as any other place in the US. I suspect there are plenty of other places West of the Mississippi and North of the Ohio that are similar.

Blogger James Dixon February 28, 2017 12:45 PM  

> The days where racking the AR might have solved anything significant are long since past.

Actually what all of your arguments indicate is that racking the AR will probably be the only solution.

Blogger flyingtiger February 28, 2017 12:47 PM  

This happens all the time. One Hispanic family moves into the neighborhood.When the second family moves in, it becomes an Hispanic neighborhood. When the third family moves in, it has always been an hispanic neighborhood.

Blogger Jourdan February 28, 2017 12:47 PM  

@64 - You know what? Fuck you, that's what.

I'm sick of hearing you all shit on California and Californians. Before New England and the Upper Midwest imposed its policy preferences on our backs, we were an Anglo state. While you all saddled us with losers like Kennedy (Mass.), Johnson (Texas), Ford (Michigan), Carter (Georgia), Bush I (Maine), Clinton (Ark.), W Bush (Texas) and Obama (Ill), we Californians gave you Nixon and Reagan.

While you all were paying taxes to mommy like good little obedient boys and girls, Californians started the Tax Revolt of Proposition 13.

And while you all were thinking the massive levels of immigration imposed on us were no problem, Californians mobilized and passed Proposition 187 to stop it, only to be killed by a U.S. judge.

California is not and never has been the problem. Now that YOUR STATE's public policy goals have destroyed my home, now you declare my home the problem.

Anyone who wants to give up California is an idiot, full stop.

It's a fucking paradise. Riverside County alone produces more milk and cheese than all of Wisconsin. The Central Valley produces enough fresh produce to feed the nation.

Sequoias, San Francisco Bay, mighty Yosemite, the Mojave, the majestic Sierra Nevada, the stark beauty of the high plains surrounding the lonely mountain that is Mt. Shasta.

Give that all up?

Because of Latinos? Mexicans, Salvadoreans, fucking Guatemalans?

HELL NO. And fuck you for thinking that, you unpatriotic, ungrateful, idiot.

Blogger Sherwood family February 28, 2017 12:48 PM  

This. General Kratman would solve the problem expeditiously by shedding blood now to prevent more of it from being shed later. That is what people have to understand. We can do it now when it is painful but possible or we can do it when the cost is huge and the bloodletting monstrous.

Blogger James Dixon February 28, 2017 12:49 PM  

> Anyone who wants to give up California is an idiot, full stop.

If you want it, you're going to have to fight for it. Let us know how it goes.

OpenID paworldandtimes February 28, 2017 12:50 PM  

Europe doesn't want Americans.

Thank you. All Hungary needs is American transplants saying "but that's how we always did things in the States."

And it's time to stop thinking flight.

PA

Blogger James Dixon February 28, 2017 12:50 PM  

> We can do it now when it is painful but possible or we can do it when the cost is huge and the bloodletting monstrous.

History indicates the latter is the normal course of events. :(

Blogger Gapeseed February 28, 2017 12:51 PM  

@71 Jourdan - As an ex-Californian myself, I like the cut of your jib. California is paradise on earth. It should not be surrendered without a fight.

Blogger Nate February 28, 2017 12:51 PM  

"Most of us productive Americans could probably opt for somewhere more friendly to us, like Eastern Europe'

Vox is correct. if you want to bail out you would be far better served to central or south america or australia.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian February 28, 2017 12:52 PM  

@53 I think that Texas would be just fine with independence. I think many Texans would agree.

If you boys in the deep South don't want us, then I will gladly take Oklahoma, Mizzou, Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico and Colorado(East of The Rio Grande is the true Texas border).

Blogger Nate February 28, 2017 12:53 PM  

"It should not be surrendered without a fight."

Its to late for that. You're talking about the benefits of changing pilots when the plane crashed into the mountain 20 years ago.

Blogger MC227 February 28, 2017 12:53 PM  

Now it's 60 million when all along the lefties are saying 11 million. Which is it? 60 million of course. Just like Odumbocare-there are 30 million without health insurance. When a lefty gives a number on something either triple it or it's 1/3 depending on what point they are trying to make that makes absolutely no sense to begin with.

Blogger Nate February 28, 2017 12:54 PM  

"If you boys in the deep South don't want us, then I will gladly take Oklahoma, Mizzou, Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico and Colorado(East of The Rio Grande is the true Texas border)."

it would of course be up to them... but Louisiana and Arkansas are more us than you.

Blogger Sherwood family February 28, 2017 12:54 PM  

I know. But hope springs eternal. I have begun to realize over the last few months something no doubt apparent to others for far longer: we need to stake out positions far more extreme than those we really want so that the cucks will pull the process to the sweet spot where we want it to be. They always pull Left so we have to pull harder to the right to get things where they need to be.

Blogger VD February 28, 2017 12:54 PM  

Anyone who wants to give up California is an idiot, full stop.

You lost the political battle for it. I see no sign that the Anglos there are going to fight for it.

I am from a much, much older California family than yours, and I'm certainly not going to fight for it.

Blogger Sherwood family February 28, 2017 12:57 PM  

No it isn't. It took the Spanish hundreds of years to get the Muslims out of Spain but they never gave up the goal. There is no reason that the same cannot be done in California. And more quickly.

Anonymous Grayman February 28, 2017 12:58 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:@11 One of the hardest things to learn, when one is intelligent, is that the "correct" answer tends to be very nasty, which is why everyone avoids it so much….

…I also think it's good to remember what will happen when "the White Man goes to War". We've really not seen any society-scale War since WW2, and since that is now "ancient history", it's frighteningly easy to forget what will happen.

Mr. Ramos better hope things go more peacefully than he's advocating for. For his and everyone else's sake…...


People do not realize hot this tinder box is and how little it will take to set off a blaze that none of us can fully comprehend….

….. Over 17,850 tons of ammunition have been sold to civilian buyers over the last 18 months (https://bearingarms.com/beth-b/2016/12/15/ammo-sales-are-booming-in-the-u-s/). By the way that is the equivalent of 116,497,841 rounds of standard 5.56 m-16 ammo purchased by civilians in the US in a year and a half… if we assume most of that ammo was 9mm instead of 5.56 then that means about 500 million rounds were purchased in the last 18 months. Let’s be conservative and cut it in half, saying that in the last 18 months the US civilian population has purchased around 250 million rounds of ammo….

If/When a hot social conflict kicks off in the US, the gun owners in the US are the largest military in the world. This nation is heavily enough armed that the Spanish civil war or the Armenian genocide could be little more than footnotes compared to what has the potential to occur in the US.

Blogger Tom Kratman February 28, 2017 12:58 PM  

Extinction before separation.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 28, 2017 1:00 PM  

I never forget that in an antebellum period its normal to indulge in sophistry.

I sincerely believe that it is impossible to grasp just how poised is the USA (and the world) for a phase change every bit as stunning as is the physical character of water and of ice. One turns to the other over a very tiny delta in temperature.

We simply cannot know how close we are, and what insignificant tweak may kick off a fundamental reassessment of our very existence, but we can know that the current situation is a Jenga(tm) Tower piled to near-orbit and all it takes is one key brick to be pulled....

Those who frequent VP feel it, most do not, but it's the same for all of us. All we await is a nudge whose timing and direction will only be seen in hindsight.

Blogger Sherwood family February 28, 2017 1:00 PM  

We can get it back. It will take time but it can be done. It is prime real estate and giving it up will make defense of the resulting borders harder for the rest of the US.

Blogger Gapeseed February 28, 2017 1:02 PM  

@79 Nate - Talk of Calexit is emotionally satisfying given how flaky the state has become politically, but it will never ever happen. The United States would never give up the Pacific ports, natural resources or military bases, as doing so would risk a sovereign California blackmailing the rest of the United States by inviting China or Russia to establish a base itself. Any credible threat to do that would quickly lead to the arrest of the state government officials involved for treason.

Anonymous dagwood February 28, 2017 1:03 PM  

"Who, for example, imagines walling Texas off from the U. S.?"

Just wait til it stops being Texas anymore. In order for there to be a Texas, there need to be Texans. You can't swing a dead cat down there anymore without hitting a Pakistani or a Nigerian or some other mystery meat.

Blogger VD February 28, 2017 1:05 PM  

Not hard to see why he's butthurt over the book.

Teammates and other players in the server were trolling and making fun of me again. Instead of helping me fight the trolls, the admins abused their powers again. Thank You.

When I tell people to please be respectful to all players on all servers, they make fun of me. As a player on all valve servers, I have every right to call out people who are disrespecting. Thank You.


He'd be a cuck... if he could only get a girl first.

Blogger Jourdan February 28, 2017 1:13 PM  

@83 - Well, you're right. But I see no signs of Anglos fighting ANYWHERE in the U.S., so by that reasoning, should we say we're done?

Blogger Jourdan February 28, 2017 1:15 PM  

It's infuriating to hear Southerners bleat about California being the problem when they saddled us with Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter and W. Bush, who all massively pushed legal and illegal immigration to the hilt.

Yeah, Texas is magic, what happened to California won't ever happen to Texas. Sure. Wait 20 years until people are LOL TEXAS IS A LOST CAUSE LOL WALL IT OFF WHO NEEDS IT.

But, we Californians have always been at least 20 years ahead of "y'all".

Blogger Nate February 28, 2017 1:16 PM  

"Anyone who wants to give up California is an idiot, full stop."

You should've fought for it 20 years ago when the matter was still in doubt.

Anonymous BluePony February 28, 2017 1:17 PM  

As an ex-Californian myself, I like the cut of your jib. California is paradise on earth. It should not be surrendered without a fight.

That's why I check in from "enemy occupied" California in the hopes that it will not always be so. Millions of us voted Trump. Some of us are trying to draft/convince Peter Thiel for the next Governor. I think we finally got that stupid seasteading nonsense out of his head.

CalExit? How quickly would China (or worse) be in control? You want that on your new border? No better border than a nice ocean.

Anonymous WeAreTheWest February 28, 2017 1:18 PM  

see y'all care a lot more about this than we do. We don't view these places as America anyway. To us... you're all riled up about losing a tumor.

We can roll back Lincoln’s War _and_ deport them all. Two separate things. The point is we have to draw national boundaries somewhere, and the existing border is fine. Mexicans (and others) need to be taught to respect it.

Most of us productive Americans could probably opt for somewhere more friendly to us, like Eastern Europe

Because running has solved so many problems. We are perfectly capable of repatriating all the aliens to their countries of origin. That is the only long term plan that makes any sense. Think of it is as doing the Third World a favor, if you must. They must learn to respect borders. The hard way, if necessary.

Give that all up?

Because of Latinos? Mexicans, Salvadoreans, fucking Guatemalans?

HELL NO. And fuck you for thinking that, you unpatriotic, ungrateful, idiot.


This. If it wasn’t too late for Spain, it’s not too late for California.

Blogger Nate February 28, 2017 1:18 PM  

"It's infuriating to hear Southerners bleat about California being the problem when they saddled us with Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter and W. Bush, who all massively pushed legal and illegal immigration to the hilt. "

oh shut up. You can cry all you like about individual presidents... when your state has been terminally insane for going on a century. You freaking have brownouts because you can't make enough electricity for your own state... because youre idiot hippies have so much power you haven't built a new power plant in living memory.

You're a third world shit hole.

Go away.

Blogger praetorian February 28, 2017 1:18 PM  

see y'all care a lot more about this than we do. We don't view these places as America anyway. To us... you're all riled up about losing a tumor.

Copperheads and legacy westerners probably shouldn't expect much from dixie. If you aren't a southerner, you should probably move north and get ready to fight.

You lost the political battle for it. I see no sign that the Anglos there are going to fight for it.

Goddammit.

Anonymous Grayman February 28, 2017 1:19 PM  

The US is extremely unlikely to give up California for any reason.... said better then I could here:
http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2017/02/califucktardation.html

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction February 28, 2017 1:21 PM  

@94

It's only in doubt if the remaining Americans in California are unwilling to forcefully expel the intruders. Though at this point that very much is question that the answer doesn't look good on.

For what little it is worth my personal opinion on the matter is to not cede one inch...but in all fairness I live in a state that has seen hundreds of thousands of Californians migrate after ruining their state here so there is some self interest there.

Blogger VD February 28, 2017 1:22 PM  

Well, you're right. But I see no signs of Anglos fighting ANYWHERE in the U.S., so by that reasoning, should we say we're done?

No, for the obvious reason that the California demographic is not the national demographic. It's a question of what can be held and what cannot be. Whites are already fleeing California, so, obviously, it will not be a part of the American Redoubt.

You and everyone else there ignored the problem too long. Perhaps Texas will, perhaps Texas won't. But that doesn't change the facts as they apply to California's situation. As a bellwether state, it shouldn't surprise you that it did not have the benefit of a warning from any other state.

Blogger praetorian February 28, 2017 1:25 PM  

You should've fought for it 20 years ago when the matter was still in doubt.

We did, we passed a bunch of anti-immigrant and anti-affirmative action legislation and then the courts and administrators nuked it all.

Mao was right, turns out, but you have to have a bit of sympathy for the anglos and germans who assumed political violence wasn't necessary.

At some level the failure of California was the failure of libertarianism: there were lots of conservative-but-leave-me-alone-and-I'm-cool-with-you types and plenty of room for everyone. In came the hispanics and here we are.

Anonymous SpacePort1 February 28, 2017 1:26 PM  

"You should've fought for it 20 years ago when the matter was still in doubt."

We did, but as other have said, y'all kept cucking up a storm out there in the (alleged) Pure Lands. The massive immigration led to Democrats having gerrymandering power and that was that.

A lot of us here have been calling for the FEDS to enforce the motherfucking immigration laws for 30 years now because when states try to go it on their own they get smacked down. Trump needs to push even harder and the cucksucks in Congress need to officially criminalize sanctuary activities with long prison terms.

Anonymous Looking Glass February 28, 2017 1:28 PM  

@95 As Gapeseed pointed out, it wouldn't be allowed. Even if they some how did secede, a Naval blockade & no-fly zone would be instantly enforced. The Asian countries would remove their people before the secession happened.

San Diego has the most to fear in that situation. The place will be pillaged and flattened as Central Americans flee south. Which could make for the most ironic imagery in modern history as Mexico has military manning the Border to prevent people from coming in.

Anonymous DieInFire February 28, 2017 1:33 PM  

"oh shut up."

Make us, faggot.

Y'all good old bois so tough talkin', but y'all so quick to spin your backs on fellow whites in places you don't like we could make wind farms out of y'all. You think anyone will stand with you if you let the states that get your britches all a rustled fall? Fuck you. You deserve what the browns do to you and your children, then.

Blogger Jourdan February 28, 2017 1:33 PM  

VD - You could not be more wrong.

The California demographic is not the national demographic, but is the national demographic + 25 years. It is not situated substantially differently than the rest of the United States, it's simply in the vanguard.

The point man in a squad in single file will get shot first, but that doesn't give rise to the rest of the squad to take comfort in thinking that the "Front man demographic is not the squad demographic." All states--even precious, special Southern states--occupy the same political and demographic space.

California didn't ignore the problem, far from it. It was alone is citizen-activism directly at resolving the issue. It was defeated by the other states and the U.S. Government, though the judicial power. Californians did err in thinking that only legally-available recourse should be used to address the threat, but, again, that same mistake is being repeated writ large right now in the person of President Trump.

As a bellweather state, we never expected "warning," nor did we need it. We could see what was happening to our homes right in front of our eyes and we mobilized on that front.

We starved the beast (Prop. 13), we fired nearly the entire Calif Supreme Court (via recall), we imposed nation-leading tough "Three-Strike" laws, we built more than 129,000 extra prison beds in two years, and we passed citizen initiatives (Prop 187) explicitly targeting illegal immigration.

Average Californians have done more to fight illegal immigration and to stop the cheap-labor-slavery businessmen than the citizens of the rest of the 49 states combined.

Every man has his limits, VD. You don't know California or its people well, it's far afield from Muskie fishing and a couple of Leinies. I wouldn't dare suggest that Minnesota is Somalian, tough shit pal, you Minnesotans let them in, your churches let them in, too bad for you, lol.

Because, as an American, I love Minnesota. It's part of who I am, even though I've never even been there. I want those crazy socialist germans up there speaking funny and ice fishing and rooting for the Vikes.

California is the same, even for non-Californians. Even if you've never been here. This state is so much more than Hollywood or surfing.

This is American territory and by God it will be American territory again.

Blogger Jed Mask February 28, 2017 1:33 PM  

"The USA will be physically divided. At this point, the only serious questions are a) where the lines will be drawn, b) the level of violence involved, and c) precisely whom is going to be permitted to remain where."

Well letter C is what I know for sure: I was born and raised an American and in AMERICA I shall stay! Amen!

Everyone else who ain't "legal" or "naturalized" need to go elsewhere or come back the "right way".

By force or not this is how things gonna have to "go down".

~ Bro. Jed

Anonymous Raptor disrespect from behind February 28, 2017 1:35 PM  

MC227 wrote:Now it's 60 million when all along the lefties are saying 11 million. Which is it? 60 million of course. Just like Odumbocare-there are 30 million without health insurance. When a lefty gives a number on something either triple it or it's 1/3 depending on what point they are trying to make that makes absolutely no sense to begin with.

I think he is referring to latinos, which appear to be 58 million or so. The largest ethnic group is still the germans with 60 million, but probably not for much longer.

Blogger praetorian February 28, 2017 1:35 PM  

At some level the failure of California was the failure of libertarianism

And also, I should point out, a failure of direct democracy (see https://infogalactic.com/info/California_Proposition_187) establishing that a certain level of continuous identity across both the people and the government is necessary to make it work.

Blogger Phat Repat February 28, 2017 1:35 PM  

Seeing quite a bit of signaling coming out of Trump (and camp) these days. No to racism, we want all da chidren to have access to great schools, etc... Unless this is some tactic to focus attention on the left hand while the right hand is holding a .45, I'm starting to get a bit nervous. Hopefully this is just misdirection on their part.

And this talk of let's break this great country up. I've thought about it and FUCK YOU, not one fucking inch as someone else stated, more eloquently than I.

Anonymous Sam the Man February 28, 2017 1:35 PM  

Yockey.......you have a lot of snark in your posts, have you become that which you profess to detest? You sound like a New Yorker.

Jourdan: You have to give it time. The one's willing to fight are quite about it, and talking among themselves. What I see, as a partial outsider, is that the massive over reaction of the left to Trump has made the right downright mean. They will not go quietly into the night. Not only the men but the women.

Here is the commonwealth of PA where the population is 80.5 % white, it is the women who sound the harshest. The married ones with children are looking at bad things happening to their own, women by their nature are the more vicious and basically amoral gender once it comes to survival. It is actually causing splits in families, and I note the liberal women are all childless the conservative women all have kids. Same is pretty true of the men, though a lot of childless men are very conservative. History tells me that folks will bear a lot of sins to make the world safe for their young, by contrast the childless will have no stomach for the fight once it actually means danger to themselves. All bark and no bite.

I am not advocating anything harsh, just observing trends. If the left starts something, likely in the summer months the counter revolution will make head spin. Asses will sting. Think Freikorps in Berlin 1919. The left has no idea but they are making the noose which they will be hung by.

You simply need to cultivate the attitude you have and wait. A change in direction of the country and your state will come to you.

Anonymous Grayman February 28, 2017 1:40 PM  

Action is risky the social system by design highly penalizes anyone who steps to far out of line. Anyone who tries to forcefully remove Mexican and SA invaders will be crucified by the existing social structure. It is a case of being to early is just as bad as being too late. Until that spark shows up and ignites the fire no individual or even group would be successful at pushing the invaders back.

The question is once that spark ignites the fire will we rise to the occasion? It will be brutal and ugly. Will we have the will and spirit to expel the invaders or do we roll over because its unpleasant and demands too high a price for our delicate sensibilities?

Anonymous WinstonWebb February 28, 2017 1:40 PM  

All this time I thought Cali was full of Mexicans, when it's actually full of snowflakes.

Who knew?

Blogger tuberman February 28, 2017 1:45 PM  

#111 Sam

I believe you are Right (pun intended). All these over-reactions by the Left going further into obvious Identity Politics is not being ignored. I've noticed major changes in women's observations of reality lately. I wasn't sure if it was just me seeing these shifts, but it looks good.

These various manifestos by the Globalists and the Left are forcing many further to the Alt-Right type positions, even if it is still instinctual.

Blogger Peter Jackson February 28, 2017 1:49 PM  

As if 50 years ago Americans didn't eat, grow, or dance. Trump should find a way to deport this clown.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 28, 2017 1:54 PM  

@Hail Jesus
A very simplistic, superficial level of analysis. Yeltsin? Sure. But Putin? Might want to ask some of the oligarchs about that theory. Or Soros. Or the neocons. Sure, he has to deal with the reality of Jewish power-- any leader does. Looks more like he started as a shabbos goy, then went off the reservation.

Trump? If you haven't figured out yet where he fits in with Likud/ neocons/ J Street/ legit civic nationalism, perhaps you should do some more reading.

Anonymous Sam the Man February 28, 2017 1:56 PM  

Try this thought process:

The left continues to do every thing they can to impede Trump, including the courts overstepping their bounds to seize power they explicitly lacks. The expulsions occur, but at a very slow rate.

The right continues to get pissed, but says nothing, remains quiet. The left emboldened by the press continues unabated for 18 months doing what they do best: indecisive havoc.

The mid term elections support Trump, he gains 5 sets in the senate and a few in the house. The shift is toward the right with trump having a 56 to 57 % favorable rating.

Then in the summer of 2019 a spark. It might be an appeals court making a decision that cannot be allowed to stand, or a riot of such ferocity the president has to intervene and the courts order him to halt of otherwise assume a power they are explicitly denied.

The president refuses, the left goes wild, starts multiple riots and the president doubles down with a refusal to observe the courts on an entire range of topics, because the constitution in clear words says it is within his preview. With the support of 57.5% of Americans (by this time 4 million illegals are gone, maybe more).

The president calls forth the militia to establish order, well within his command authority.

What comes next....

No matter how you work the various possibilities, any violent upheaval by the left in the next 4 years will result in their destruction. They cannot win, they do not have the numbers, or the moral authority of productive classes. They have lost the middle and cannot regain it until such time as the right stumbles. The are doomed to lose any conflict in the next 4 years, if Trump has modest achievements and can blame the left to those already on his own side, 8 years.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction February 28, 2017 1:59 PM  

Also, having relatives who are of the south, I know this one thing, besides them liking to flap their gums almost as much as a New Yorker, Southerners love to fucking fight and don't take slights of honor lightly. I am willing to bet the populace who would be most eager for military retaliation against "secession" by California would in fact be the Southrons themselves.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer February 28, 2017 2:01 PM  

Gapeseed wrote:@79 Nate - Talk of Calexit is emotionally satisfying given how flaky the state has become politically, but it will never ever happen. The United States would never give up the Pacific ports, natural resources or military bases, as doing so would risk a sovereign California blackmailing the rest of the United States by inviting China or Russia to establish a base itself. Any credible threat to do that would quickly lead to the arrest of the state government officials involved for treason.

If you really think this is how it would go down, then why would you oppose it? This solution is much better than the slow decay that is currently occurring.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction February 28, 2017 2:01 PM  

@101

I couldn't fail to notice you mentioned American redoubt, does that mean you anticipate an eventual American Reconquista if what you expect does play out?

Blogger Koanic February 28, 2017 2:01 PM  

You Nirvana Gen-Xers figure out how to compromise with the Boomers on the destruction of the American patrimony.

Meanwhile, we Millenials will continue to split into Red Guards and Totenkopf.

Blogger tz February 28, 2017 2:03 PM  

The only question between Trump v.s. Hillary is where the front lines would be. Federal Agents combing the western states seizing guns and getting shot, or riots in the streets in the blue islands of the Hillary archipelago. It is to be the latter.

A cyber-attack shutting down the EBT system for a month would likely cause the blue areas to implode, as would a utility cut off. Note how much of the support is on the pacific rim - ring of fire, earthquakes, volcanoes, etc. so it might be a natural event before a man-made one. They are having enough problems with the copious rains with their crumbling infrastructure which they instead are using for a bullet-train to nowhere and welfare, much for illegals. They also don't have enough energy so that is a major import, and the power grid infrastructure is another problem, one warm summer and the grid could go down, or have more Gerry Brownouts.

I'm not sure what will be the triggering event, but there will be one. I think the tech giants and the rest of the whites who think they will be loved for virtue signalling are making a grave miscalculation. The LGBTQ identity is at best marginal. Blacks and Latinos are already warring - and that will be another factor, California is as divided internally. They may be all "democrats", but I think it will be like in Minnesota where a liberal Jew was replaced with a Muslim. Sacramento will be the site of fights.

One final point is that the arbitrary state lines drawn will be about as valid as those in Iraq. Eastern Washington (Liberty), Oregon, and Northern California (Jefferson) are likely to secede.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 28, 2017 2:04 PM  

@VD
"America is at least partly to blame for many of their problems, including the Syrian invasion and the Ukrainian situation."

It goes much farther back than that. "Imperium" has an interesting take on this issue.

Blogger Harsh February 28, 2017 2:09 PM  

"You Nirvana Gen-Xers figure out how to compromise with the Boomers on the destruction of the American patrimony."

Yeah we've always been known for our willingness to compromise.

Blogger Gapeseed February 28, 2017 2:09 PM  

If you really think this is how it would go down, then why would you oppose it? This solution is much better than the slow decay that is currently occurring.

Even for a libertarian like myself, Inviting the Chinese or Russians to openly colonize North America via predations of an independent California would be a geopolitical (and possibly military) disaster for the United States. Libertarian idealism would and should get trumped by strategic realism.

Blogger bosscauser February 28, 2017 2:13 PM  

Kudos. Immigration is FEDERAL jurisdiction! And, it's cowardly Surrendering to little blowhard Ramos and his wetback minions who trample our Culture!

#PresidentTrump2020

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 28, 2017 2:14 PM  

@Jourdan
"Wait 20 years until people are LOL TEXAS IS A LOST CAUSE LOL WALL IT OFF WHO NEEDS IT."

Ya gotta admit, though, that Jerry Brown is not likely to threaten a sanctuary city sheriff with not only defunding, but possible jail, any time soon. The mind boggles even to imagine it:
https://www.google.com/amp/insider.foxnews.com/amp/article/54492

Would a CA governor have done that even 20 years ago? I doubt it.

Blogger tuberman February 28, 2017 2:17 PM  

#122

Blacks and Latinos have been warring for years, especially in Cali, yet not just there.Just another thing covered up by MSM.

Blogger bosscauser February 28, 2017 2:18 PM  

How about a couple million of you patriots join me in reconquering California.
Move in. Vote.
You won't. To busy whining and strutting how bad you are as the crown jewel is stolen by people who can't legally vote!

#PresidentTrump2020

Blogger Harsh February 28, 2017 2:20 PM  

"How about a couple million of you patriots join me in reconquering California.
Move in. Vote."

That seems like a pretty inefficient strategy.

Blogger JWM in SD February 28, 2017 2:21 PM  

"Not one fucking square inch ceded."

see y'all care a lot more about this than we do. We don't view these places as America anyway. To us... you're all riled up about losing a tumor.

Nate,

I don't think you understand buddy, if we let those areas go, it won't stop at those borders. If we give up CA, TX, and AZ, then we lose significant military assets. NOT GOING TO FUCKING HAPPEN.

Blogger Elder Son February 28, 2017 2:21 PM  

If MexiKaliForniKation were to exit the Union, there will be an internal civil war for supremacy. So it's not necessarily a bad thing. At the least, California will be split in two.

Blogger tuberman February 28, 2017 2:24 PM  

The only state that is sure to go away is Hawaii, California may be lost for a while, but will be reconquered, and along with it Mexico, and all the way down to Panama. Huge force will be applied and much violence. Just a small prediction.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 28, 2017 2:28 PM  

At least, LBJ gave Texas an independent power grid

Anonymous Vin February 28, 2017 2:30 PM  

CalExit may be the last chance to avoid the inevitable bloodshed. It seems unlikely now but as things heat up it may not. We could push for it, putting it in play.


Such 'deals' are not, of course, unprecedented...

'On the 26th Of May 1940 with British forces struggling to get of the beaches at Dunkirk Churchill went even further saying, according to the War Cabinet Minutes, 'that he would be thankful to get out of our present difficulties, provided we retained the essentials of our vital strength, even at the cost of some cession of territory'. The British territory he may have been prepared to give up is made clear in Chamberlain's diary entry for 27th May, in which he said that the Prime Minister had told his colleagues that 'if we could get out of this jam by giving up Malta and Gibraltar and some African colonies he would jump at it.'

(Full link: http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/pressreleases/ne1000000082250/)

Anonymous Looking Glass February 28, 2017 2:34 PM  

@132 Incorrect. California is, at minimum, 4 regions. Closer to probably 6 with 2 City States. And that's before dividing the regions controlled by different racial groups. The Korean section is going to have jack-all to do with the Persian parts.

Situations like a CalExit always come down to geography and communities. What's defensible? Always the first question to ask.

Most countries with any sense will extract their ex-pats and descendants. Then the cross-racial slaughter starts. Most of LA and San Fran would burn.

Blogger Elder Son February 28, 2017 2:34 PM  

@131 see y'all care a lot more about this than we do. We don't view these places as America anyway. To us... you're all riled up about losing a tumor.

I've been to almost ever state in the Union. When it comes to traditional America, you can apply that to every state of the Union. No one is being fooled.

Blogger Technomad February 28, 2017 2:35 PM  

The more of this sort of thing I see, the more I think that the Tokugawa Shoguns' "sakoku" (closed country; no foreigners allowed, this means YOU) policy was an excellent idea. Unfortunately, too many boobus Americanus were brought up on treacly propaganda about the goddamned Statue of Liberty (which is meant to commemorate a hundred years of independence, and is not named "Come On In, The Kettle's On," no matter what people think) and happy immigrants pouring through at Ellis Island.

Anonymous patrick kelly February 28, 2017 2:38 PM  

"And it's time to stop thinking flight."

Circumstances of the last 20 years have not provide me this luxury. My best hope is to find a good community to stand and fight with others I cherish and die an honorable death if necessary.

I've pretty much fkd everything else up so far.

Anonymous Vin February 28, 2017 2:38 PM  

Agreed. I lived there for 10 years, saw the decline year after year. Not worth the trouble to keep it.

Maybe 20% are 'good' Whites now. They can move. If not it's their problem.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer February 28, 2017 2:41 PM  

Gapeseed wrote:If you really think this is how it would go down, then why would you oppose it? This solution is much better than the slow decay that is currently occurring.

Even for a libertarian like myself, Inviting the Chinese or Russians to openly colonize North America via predations of an independent California would be a geopolitical (and possibly military) disaster for the United States. Libertarian idealism would and should get trumped by strategic realism.


I am not endorsing the treason I am endorsing the end where the rest of us take it back by force and execute the treasonous. If there is to be war with California then let it be swift rather than a prolonged suffering followed by a war.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 28, 2017 2:44 PM  

@Nate
"You should've fought for it 20 years ago when the matter was still in doubt."

You mean like when the CA voters passed proposition 187 by a margin of almost 20%? Fought it ike that? Except they lost that battle to the kritarchy, in the person of (((Mariana Pfaelzer))), a federal judge.

Blogger Elder Son February 28, 2017 2:48 PM  

@136 If. It will be split between the Sierra's and San Andreas fault line give or take. My take is that if Calif. were to secede, it would be brought back into the Union after much bloodshed. What is Moon Beam going to do? Surround himself with the Calif. National Guard, the Viva La Raza crowd, and some dudes?

Blogger Chiva February 28, 2017 2:49 PM  

California will stay in the union. CalExit is a wet dream for some, but only a dream.

Parts of California truly are like a third world country. It is a fact of life now. You learn to deal with it.

The only prediction I have on this issue is that once the money dries up here (and it eventually will) the locusts that sucked this state dry will come to your states.
Are you ready?

Blogger Salt February 28, 2017 2:49 PM  

Harsh wrote:That seems like a pretty inefficient strategy.

The NH Free State Project hasn't worked out either, not as envisioned and it certainly would take less than Cali.

Blogger justaguy February 28, 2017 2:49 PM  

For all of those that think that their culture will win, I say think again and look at the demographics and how the Democrats have been playing the game. The Dems have been moving the economically depressed into areas outside of the cities to spread the influence. With the police and many of the forces on their side, there will be SWAT and if needed, federal police and military hardware coming for any collection on individuals that try to oppose the "march of history".

This is more akin to late Roman period with the invasions, I don't see racial battle lines being drawn as there are always too many White Knights who will work to take on anyone designated as a "hate group". When it is a community association designated, I still see SWAT and others coming in and seizing the weapons of the budding hate group... As long as the Dems get about 35+% of the white voters, they are going to roll the rest of us.

Anonymous patrick kelly February 28, 2017 2:49 PM  

"The USA will soon declare war full scale war on Mexico. I have predicted this for decades now."

I've considered this a viable plan D for a while. Invade, occupy and employ the population in a buffer/techno-industrial zone at wages giving them a better life without needed to go further north. Got to be better for the US and the migrant fortune seekers than the current mess.

First we gotta get our stupid asses out of the middle east and every place else we've been trying to export dumbocracy to re-deploy here.

Anonymous patrick kelly February 28, 2017 2:52 PM  

"@Nate
"You should've fought for it 20 years ago when the matter was still in doubt."

You mean like when the CA voters passed proposition 187 by a margin of almost 20%? Fought it ike that? Except they lost that battle to the kritarchy, in the person of (((Mariana Pfaelzer))), a federal judge."

You would think Nate and the other southrons would feel a lil' kinship with other's who have fought the feds and lost.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 28, 2017 2:54 PM  

@Jourdan

Noice.
Jourdan for California governor!

Anonymous fop February 28, 2017 2:54 PM  

California is WAY more dug in than any of you outsiders know.

And no worries. We really weren't counting on Boss Hogg and Roscoe to drive out here as reinforcements anyway.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 28, 2017 2:57 PM  

@praetorian

"a failure of direct democracy"

It's not "direct democracy" when it can be overridden by the kritarchy based on any penumbras, emanations, or hallucinations they might detect.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY February 28, 2017 2:57 PM  

California was part of the Union. Fuck'em, they created their problems, not the South.

Anonymous JAG February 28, 2017 3:08 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:@132 Most of LA and San Fran would burn.

Sodom and Gomorrah. Just don't look back while you are headed east.

Blogger JWM in SD February 28, 2017 3:09 PM  

Correct, strategically too important to give up. The other issue is that giving it up won't stop the encroachment from continuing. It's not like CA would be ceded and suddenly Mexico is economically viable. The problems will simply be exported to larger area and get worse. No, it can't be ceded as such.

Anonymous JAG February 28, 2017 3:09 PM  

fop wrote:California is WAY more dug in than any of you outsiders know.

And no worries. We really weren't counting on Boss Hogg and Roscoe to drive out here as reinforcements anyway.


I grew up in California. Lived there 20 years. It's dead, Jim.

Anonymous JAG February 28, 2017 3:11 PM  

JWM in SD wrote:Correct, strategically too important to give up. The other issue is that giving it up won't stop the encroachment from continuing. It's not like CA would be ceded and suddenly Mexico is economically viable. The problems will simply be exported to larger area and get worse. No, it can't be ceded as such.

If it seceded the vast majority of illegals and a sizable portion of shitlibs would relocate to it. 55 Electoral Votes would be gone too. I see no downside.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 28, 2017 3:12 PM  

@tz
"Blacks and Latinos are already warring - and that will be another factor"

Ethnic cleansing of blacks, often violent, has been going on for 20+ years in California. It's not part of the narrative, so it's not on the news. The Mexicans will continue their steady gains, unless the blacks are backed by the state.

Blogger JP February 28, 2017 3:13 PM  

Idk, it seems like the Romans might have had something similar going on. They went from fighting to the bitter end to defend Rome, to fighting over petty factionalism, to fighting over bread and circuses. By the time Rome was finally sacked, most of the people were glad about it. Better the Gothic barbarians than their own horrible emperors.

Blogger Jourdan February 28, 2017 3:15 PM  

Ceding California and just moving the border is a really stupid idea. Why would the Mexicans stop there? Take a look at what they ceded after the Mexican War. They view not only all of that as theirs, but now they view the entire U.S. as theirs, claiming their labor is the basis for it all.

Moving the border isn't an answer, it's just paying Dane-Geld. And once you pay the dane-geld, well, you know the rest.

Mexico's elite has been waging war against the American people, with the help of traitors, for decades now. Only full, complete de-latinoization and a punitive war against that elite and all they have and love will serve as the answer.

Blogger Jourdan February 28, 2017 3:17 PM  

And speaking of Rudyard Kipling, he knew about this Mexican situation all too well. Just substitute "Mexican" for "Pict" and you'll understand all you need to understand.

Rome never looks where she treads.
Always her heavy hooves fall
On our stomachs, our hearts or our heads;
And Rome never heeds when we bawl.
Her sentries pass on—that is all,
And we gather behind them in hordes,
And plot to reconquer the Wall,
With only our tongues for our swords.

We are the Little Folk—we!
Too little to love or to hate.
Leave us alone and you’ll see
How we can drag down the State!
We are the worm in the wood!
We are the rot at the root!
We are the taint in the blood!
We are the thorn in the foot!

Mistletoe killing an oak—
Rats gnawing cables in two—
Moths making holes in a cloak—
How they must love what they do!
Yes—and we Little Folk too,
We are busy as they—
Working our works out of view—
Watch, and you’ll see it some day!

No indeed! We are not strong,
But we know Peoples that are.
Yes, and we’ll guide them along
To smash and destroy you in War!
We shall be slaves just the same?
Yes, we have always been slaves,
But you—you will die of the shame,
And then we shall dance on your graves!

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 28, 2017 3:19 PM  

@patrick Kelly

You'd think.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr February 28, 2017 3:22 PM  

Declaring war on Mexico has one big plus...ALL Mexican nationals can be removed without further legal processes. And any Mexicans who try to evade expulsion can be dealt with as saboteurs (i.e., shot).

FWIW, I don't see the U.S. as willing to cede territory. What I do see is Trump giving the Left enough rope to justify his hanging them with it.

Blogger cheddarman February 28, 2017 3:24 PM  

Everybody, keep your powder dry, and get some more. We've got enough enemies that we don't need to be shooting at each other. By the time the shit hits the fan, you will know friend from enemy.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 28, 2017 3:24 PM  

@JAG
"If it seceded the vast majority of illegals and a sizable portion of shitlibs would relocate to it."

I don't know about the illegals, but you might want to take a look at which way the shitlibs are going now-- or at how many celebrities actually moved to Canada after Trump was elected.

Blogger JWM in SD February 28, 2017 3:24 PM  

I generally agree and those are good points...only problem is that the port issue, long Beach in particular, is already controlled by the Chinese. I those charges of treason and seditiom need to happen sooner.

Blogger VD February 28, 2017 3:24 PM  

Average Californians have done more to fight illegal immigration and to stop the cheap-labor-slavery businessmen than the citizens of the rest of the 49 states combined.

They haven't fought at all. That's the point. If you let ONE JUDGE overturn your democratic will, you're not fighting.

That's the point. Unless and until people are willing to sink the ships, they will lose. History is very, very clear on this.

Californians aren't alone in this. They're merely further along in the process.

Anonymous JAG February 28, 2017 3:27 PM  

Jourdan wrote:Ceding California and just moving the border is a really stupid idea. Why would the Mexicans stop there? Take a look at what they ceded after the Mexican War. They view not only all of that as theirs, but now they view the entire U.S. as theirs, claiming their labor is the basis for it all.

Moving the border isn't an answer, it's just paying Dane-Geld. And once you pay the dane-geld, well, you know the rest.

Mexico's elite has been waging war against the American people, with the help of traitors, for decades now. Only full, complete de-latinoization and a punitive war against that elite and all they have and love will serve as the answer.


Without the 55 E.V.'s the shitlibs will not hold any significant power in the rest of the USA. They will be isolated to New England & Chicago which will not have enough power to elect shitlib Presidents.

FFS, illegal invasion is down 27% in Trumps first month. With California out of the picture the illegals will no longer be an issue at all for the other states.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY February 28, 2017 3:29 PM  

150. fop
We won't disappoint you then.
They don't call you the land of fruits and nuts for nuthin'.

Blogger Resident Moron™ February 28, 2017 3:29 PM  

Demographics mean nothing. Demographics are not destiny, they're a passing wave on the ocean.

Culture is destiny.

Character is destiny.

The problem with the current culture of the West is the presumption of permanent progress, the silly idea that history is a constantly linear progression on a path that's ever upward.

It's not.

it moves in cycles and (ironic) epicycles, and it changes direction and gathers momentum long before the change becomes visible to most people. (MPAI)

But when the change DOES become visible, it strikes with an unstoppable vengeance, breaking presumption and smashing delusion on the cold hard bedrock of life and death struggle.

And at that point, cultures change. Very suddenly. There's a very large and deep undercurrent of memory, of sanity, of steel, and of blood, in the West. It's been layered over with coating after coating of bullshit and delusion and lies, but it remains.

The British were never the majority in any nation they colonised. Not once, not ever.

Blogger Thanks, J. February 28, 2017 3:29 PM  

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Blogger Thanks, J. February 28, 2017 3:30 PM  

@13 Jourdan
Well Trump doesn't have the demographics to win in 2020.
I believe the "Latino" vote will be mobilized more than ever. The Hispanics are a sleeping giant in the USA. Trump might be Jorge Ramos types dream come true.

Anonymous BBGKB February 28, 2017 3:31 PM  

Most of us productive Americans could probably opt for somewhere more friendly to us, like Eastern Europe

The reason jews pushed for circumcision in the US after WWII was so that jews would be able to sneak about easier when it came time to flee. Could you blame eastern Europeans to not letting anyone in that was circumcised?

California...It was defeated by the other states and the U.S. Government, though the juuuuudicial power. FIFY

Blogger Robert Divinity February 28, 2017 3:32 PM  

The only prediction I have on this issue is that once the money dries up here (and it eventually will) the locusts that sucked this state dry will come to your states. Are you ready?

Excellent point and the answer is a solid "fuck no." I live in ballyhooed Dixie and already there are illegal aliens filtering into the region from California to improve themselves. Not a local finger is lifted to do a damned thing about it, either. The Cali whites are correct in part. The nation will suffer the identical fate if it doesn't prepare itself, which I think is quite plausible due in part to the sad example of California.

My fellow countrymen out in California indeed were raising hell about the demographic disaster as far back as the early Eighties. No one listened, including the president from that state, Reagan. Could they have done more? Yes. Did anyone help them? No.

Blogger B.J. February 28, 2017 3:32 PM  

Vox I am spreading your ideas to others, and they agree with you.

Anonymous Eric the Red February 28, 2017 3:33 PM  

In the coming hot war with these invaders, I want leftists placed in the front as temporary shields and cannon fodder. Maybe give them one bullet, just to make it sporting. "All right boys and girls, it's over the top and into the breach for God and country, don't make me have to use this here pistol on you."

Blogger Elder Son February 28, 2017 3:33 PM  

Calif. certainly has a problem of its own doing. Sanctuary city/state and etc. And it does have some detrimental effects federal wise. But, Calif. is NOT your problem. Your state is your problem. It's not like Calif. secedes, the clouds part, and the sun shines radiantly on your state in divine holiness. And certainly, the senators and congressman of the other 49 states can get together and get tough on Calif. in various ways, but it doesn't.

Blogger Koanic February 28, 2017 3:35 PM  

All that is necessary to take California is to reverse Mao's maxim:

"Keep men, lose land."

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 28, 2017 3:35 PM  

"They haven't fought at all. That's the point. If you let ONE JUDGE overturn your democratic will, you're not fighting."

True. Faith in the system dies hard. Not to mention that they voted in Gray Davis as governor right after that. He didn't even bother to appeal.

Anonymous Eric the Red February 28, 2017 3:35 PM  

In the coming hot war with these invaders, I want leftists placed in the front as shields and cannon fodder. Maybe give them one bullet, just to make it sporting. "All right boys and girls, it's over the top and into the breach for God and country, don't make me have to use this here pistol on you."

Anonymous Stryker4570 February 28, 2017 3:51 PM  

Trump can fix this with one tweet. Tell all the illegals that if they go to a sanctuary city or state we will not pursue deportation. Any illegal not in a sanctuary faces deportation. Then don't actually cut funds to those cities and states, but gum up the works so the money trickles out at a snails pace. These places will implode from burden of immigration, and given time will suffer a 'change of heart' concerning the issue.

Anonymous fop February 28, 2017 3:55 PM  

Mosby, you southerners live in the obesity center of the USA. We won't be recruiting you for the simple reason that food might become scarce and we need people that we can trust to guard a case of Spam.

Blogger JWM in SD February 28, 2017 3:56 PM  

Okay, it looks like I have to repeat this again. Break up CA starting with Jefferson state initiative. That will create a domino effect causing other parts of CA to petition for state hood. Bye bye 55 electoral votes and hello isolation of immigrant concentration areas with no resources. It's that simple. Political solution. Oh and one other thing, when does Jorge Ramos get charged with sedition and ejected from country?

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY February 28, 2017 3:58 PM  

California , like their fellow travelers on the North Atlantic seaboard loves to foist their rotten cookin' off on the rest of US . We don't want it, and you blame the rest of US for your screwed up destructive behavior.
It is time for you to fish, cut bait or get cut into fish bait. The choice is yours to make and act upon.

Anonymous Red sky in morning February 28, 2017 3:59 PM  

Stryker-awesome idea. Sanctuary city if you want sanctuary. Perfect! Have border agents around the outside. Watch how fast san freakos will scream!!!

Anonymous Willie February 28, 2017 4:01 PM  

@4 "North of the Ohio and west of the Mississippi sound good to me."

Pretty much anything outside the original 13 colonies is non western, non English, non christian land. The Mexican historical state Aztec lands were all the way up to UTAH, west to the coast and east of Texas/Arkansas ...(look up reconquista) -- you guys living in the south west are living on borrowed time... you should surrender now while you still have a chance to live under the heal of a Mexican huarache. I do know the Alamo will be harder to defend now than it was in the old days if for no other reason the attackers can take the bus.

I guess its really bad luck for the Mexicans that that toughest, meanest US citizens live in the areas they have the most historically significant claim to...

Anonymous Cantostop February 28, 2017 4:02 PM  

@60 Francis Parker
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Yszp3SmxE

Very emotional.

In the "not one fucking inch" camp, however it has to happen.

Blogger pyrrhus February 28, 2017 4:08 PM  

Giving up California is strategically and economically unsound....Getting it back is pretty easy....First, cut off their outside water and electric power (as well as all Federal programs). Then occupy the Sierras, high desert, and far North, where most of the people are conservative anyway. Then cut off the water from Northern California. No fighting necessary, they will have to surrender within a few weeks...

Blogger Yarnwinder February 28, 2017 4:09 PM  

The La Raza left will be surprised, I think, when the legal Hispanics stand with America...

Blogger Elder Son February 28, 2017 4:10 PM  

Here is a 2012 map of percentage of illegals by state:

http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/original-size/images/2014/11/blogs/graphic-detail/20141129_wom978_0.png

Migrant stream into the US:

http://cdn.tradyouth.org/uploads/2014/06/illegal-aliens-travel-map.gif

Build the wall. Stop all federal aid to migrants. Create tougher immigration laws (or just model it after Mexico's own immigration laws and enforce it), sanction states by withholding federal monies who refuse to follow federal immigration laws. Immediately fire federal employees who refuse to enforce immigration laws. It's a start, and I am sure we can get the 50 states senators and congressmen behind it.

Anonymous kfg February 28, 2017 4:17 PM  

" a) where the lines will be drawn"

I've already made my predictions about this and don't see any reason to modify them yet, as well as my prediction that through most of the country the division will be peaceful.

"b) the level of violence involved"

But that after the division the level of violence will be high.

"c) precisely whom is going to be permitted to remain where."

Because of this. See India/Pakistan independence.

Anonymous RA February 28, 2017 4:18 PM  

At the rate the US Treasury is going, at the rate at which health care will not be addressed as Denninger very strongly suggests, at the rate at which demographics change in favor of Hispanics, I see California falling away from the union by 2040 at the latest. There will be too much division across the country by that time for DC to really do anything about California in the 30's.

The whites in California did definitely try, but they got slammed by the judicial branch over prop 187, again over prop 8, and by the feds letting in the migrants. Now that whites are no longer in the majority, their only remaining options are (1), stand and fight with firearms, starting now (fat chance of that!); or (2), leave California. Watching the aliens self deport won't take care of the problem, there are too many of them here legally.

As a trend of the times: one of the propositions on the November 2016 statewide ballot was to restore bilingual education to its former place in the public schools. Voters had successfully passed an initiative in 1998 to force the de-emphasis of bilingual education in favor of getting all students into English as quickly as possible. Well that's gone now... another shining example of progressive retardation.

Blogger Tralana Coby February 28, 2017 4:20 PM  

Our governor has signed an executive order making Washington an official sanctuary state. He did this as 5 illegals were having their bails set for the brutal murder of a woman in the area near where I live. The evening the order was signed, one of the mini marts was robbed and shot up,the day following the order there was another shooting death, all in the same community; which is primarily comprised of Hispanic migrants, and has a high illegal population. All Suspects are described as Hispanic, none are in custody. The problem is not isolated in California. It's the entire West Coast.

Anonymous WeAreTheWest February 28, 2017 4:21 PM  

Butthurt on the part of various non-Southrons is silly. The point is, if YOU and YOUR PEOPLE cannot solve the problem, it's not going to get solved.

Anyway, what have you ever done for Dixie that you would expect them to help you? (Non-Southron here.)

Vox is always comparing the % of aliens in America (take Cali specifically) vs. the % of aliens in Europe. Compare vs. the fact that Europeans are _already_ torching refugee camps and whatnot. Americans still have a "run away" attitude. I believe that will change. But we have a long way to go.

Blogger SirHamster February 28, 2017 4:24 PM  

Yarnwinder wrote:The La Raza left will be surprised, I think, when the legal Hispanics stand with America...

Will be interesting to see how identity politics plays out with Strong Horse Trump.

Godspeed to him.

Blogger Ben Sanderson February 28, 2017 4:27 PM  

Obviously the Jews should get Long Island and the Beaners should get the Southwest, but where will the Nigs go? I've talked with many white southerners and they all say they are not leaving the South. Maybe the Beaners will take them in?

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 28, 2017 4:32 PM  

If Cali leaves the union, these united States will be ceding nothing. It is California taking up to herself what was ceded to the central government. It was California that had ceded something.

The agent is never higher than the principal.

Anonymous RA February 28, 2017 4:34 PM  

Riffing on about white Californians taking up arms, plenty of them are already armed, even in urban areas, they just don't talk about it. Unfortunately, they won't do anything either; they're too comfortable at the moment. How much longer will that last?

So now I'm now thinking the real fighting won't start until the EBT system collapses. Or there is a sufficiently large enough earthquake that damages infrastructure severely enough to impact the delivery of water and food to several million people. At that point, it will be riots galore on top of famine. Think Rodney King riots multiplied by at least 100 if not 1000 times.

Blogger Doc Rampage February 28, 2017 4:36 PM  

Since the 1960s conservatives have been saying that too many immigrants are coming in for us to assimilate them. You keep arguing against conservatives by pointing out that their predictions have come true.

Anonymous kfg February 28, 2017 4:38 PM  

"It's the entire West Coast."

And my prediction has been that that is where the bulk of the violence will be.

"Riffing on about white Californians taking up arms, plenty of them are already armed, even in urban areas, they just don't talk about it."

Q.E.D.

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