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Sunday, February 19, 2017

Why did the FBI investigate?

Andrew McCarthy of National Review observes that there appears to have been no basis for a criminal or intelligence probe of General Flynn:
Why would Flynn be the subject of an investigation by the FBI and the Justice Department?

We are told that the FBI was monitoring the phone calls of Russian ambassador Kislyak under FISA. Makes sense — he’s an overt foreign agent from a hostile government. Flynn called Kislyak on December 29, 2016. It was not a nefarious communication: Flynn was a top adviser of then-president-elect Trump, a part of the Trump transition team, and just three weeks from formally becoming the new president’s national-security adviser. His communications with Kislyak were just some of the many conversations Flynn was having with foreign officials.

No doubt the calls of other American officials who have perfectly valid reasons to call Russian diplomats have been intercepted. It is the FBI’s scrupulous practice to keep the identities of such interceptees confidential. So why single Flynn out for identification, and for investigation?

FBI agents did not need to “grill” Flynn in order to learn about the call — they had a recording of the call. They also knew there was nothing untoward about the call. We know that from the Times report — a report that suggests an unseemly conjoining of investigative power to partisan politics. The report informs us that as the FBI set its sights on Flynn, its agents were consulting with “Obama advisers.”

Interesting, no? Ever since Hillary Clinton’s loss to Donald Trump on November 8, Obama’s Democratic party had been pushing a narrative that “Putin hacked the election.” The narrative continues to have two major flaws.

First, while the Russian dictator may have preferred Trump to Clinton, there is no evidence that his Russian regime did anything to compromise the voting process. The media-Democrat complex has desperately sought to obscure this problem by emphasizing Putin’s likely role in publicizing embarrassing Democratic e-mail communications. Notwithstanding Democratic talking points, that is a far cry from “hacking” the voting process.

The second flaw is that, although Trump has made disturbingly flattering remarks about Putin, there is no evidence his campaign has given or promised Russia any actual accommodation in exchange for Putin’s favor. Democrats hope to erase this problem by finding something, anything, that could be spun as a quid pro quo. Obviously, they hoped the Flynn–Kislyak conversation would answer their prayers. No such luck. As the Times puts it: Obama officials asked the FBI if a quid pro quo had been discussed on the call, and the answer came back no, according to one of the officials, who like others asked not to be named discussing delicate communications. The topic of sanctions came up, they were told, but there was no deal. Asked not to be named discussing delicate communications.

That’s a good one. Let me translate: The officials don’t want you to know who they are because they are corrupt — (a) FISA intercepts are classified, so disclosing them to the press is a crime; (b) by revealing the Flynn–Kislyak conversation to the press, the “officials” inform the Russians that whatever countermeasures they are taking against U.S. surveillance have failed, assuring that the Russians will alter their tactics, making the job of our honorable intelligence agents more difficult; and (c) the FBI’s investigative powers are not supposed to be put in in the service of a political party’s effort to advance a partisan storyline, like “Putin hacked the election.”

So since there was no impropriety in Flynn’s call to the Russian ambassador, why did the Bureau continue investigating Flynn? Why did FBI agents interrogate him?
Curiouser and curiouser. Perhaps the Zerohedge insider is correct and the God-Emperor is simply using Flynn to smoke out the Deep State opposition. We'll know that was the case if he eventually brings Flynn back into the administration in some capacity. It seems unlikely, but these are improbable times.

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73 Comments:

Blogger MrPaules February 19, 2017 8:18 AM  

If the deep state is at war with the Trump administration, it's impossible for the rest of us to know what's really going on beneath the surface. Whatever is being released publicly is part of a deeper strategy. The situation is akin to a novice watching grand masters in a chess match. We can see the moves on the board, but we cannot possibly understand a strategy being played out with a conclusion six, seven, or eight turns into the future.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy February 19, 2017 8:22 AM  

Please use archive links for the National Review. They use a particularly nasty ‘advertisement’ service (it tries to lock up the user's browser and extort money from them).

Anonymous JAG February 19, 2017 8:26 AM  

A bunch of Deep Staters received termination notices recently, and their collective behavior justifies further draining of the swamp.

I'm beginning to agree with the theory that Flynn's resignation is a subterfuge designed to smoke out more Clinton and Obama operatives.

Blogger VD February 19, 2017 8:29 AM  

Please use archive links for the National Review.

Good idea. Done.

Blogger Doom February 19, 2017 8:30 AM  

If nothing else? It is good to see them know and understand why so many of us despised a goverment weaponized against us. Even the big companies do this. Burn them to the ground.

As to what happened? I don't think Flynn was bait, I simply think Trump knows how to turn a trick when playing against someone who thinks he can deal from under the deck. He's a capitalist. Lemons? Lemonade. If it takes a poker face at times, too. Can't always win, but if they have to show their hand to prove you lost, they... still haven't won. :)

Blogger Lovekraft February 19, 2017 8:47 AM  

Clearly a case of "blame the person who exposed my corruption!"

Only marxist sheep would push this narrative.

Blogger Timmy3 February 19, 2017 8:49 AM  

This was why I thought it was perilous to fire Flynn before the FBI decided they won't charge him with a crime a day later. There was no lie directed towards the VP. Flynn was caught in a Deep State and Media temper tantrum. Trump will pay for his mistake. The NSA position will be harder to fill although not impossible. Obama hadn't done anyone any favors when he had Susan Rice as NSA. Who needs an incompetent NSA or one that is discredited before starting the job.

Blogger Aeoli Pera February 19, 2017 8:51 AM  

Nuke DC and let God sort them out.

Pera-Biden 2020

Anonymous Looking Glass February 19, 2017 9:02 AM  

Flynn was let go on Feb 13th, on Feb 15th Trump comes out and lays into the Press. All of that bluster the Left worked themselves into was countermanded and shifted to them looking stupid. Then Trump holds a campaign rally in Florida by Saturday. Flynn being let go is starting to seem a lot more planned, though how necessary it was is another question. (Trump might not have felt Flynn was really up to the task for various reasons or maybe the pressure was getting to him. Trump let Manafort go not when it was most expedient but when it interfered.)

The more I think about it, I can't figure out what the Democrats were looking to gain by running out Flynn. Yeah, they needed a scalp/some sense of effect on Trump, but their moves to do it radically exposed their actions. As I said at Nick Cole's place, you don't expose yourself to take out a Recon squad. IC is after Flynn in the hopes to avoid War Crimes investigations about Syria, but the Democrats just seem stupid right now. Which might actually be the proper read of the situation. They're devious but generally rather stupid.

Blogger Basil Makedon February 19, 2017 9:06 AM  

So, they believed they had a justification for recording the call -- not because of Flynn, but because of the Russian Ambo. This might even be true.

Now, with dubious encouragement by Obama left-overs, they "grill" Flynn about the call hoping to catch him "lying." Essentially, they wanted to Martha Stewart him in order to further the Muh-Russia-Hacks agenda. Since they got nothing out of him, they proceed to leak it everywhere (which they would have done anyway) and let the hoax-media do its work.

Then his recounting of the call and/or his FBI interview did not line up when he spoke to Pence about it.

So, now I think it becomes slightly more clear why Flynn was fired -- he took an awful risk here.

Think what would have happened if Flynn messed up in his interview with the FBI and simply mis-remembered something.

Blogger MrPaules February 19, 2017 9:10 AM  

Sun Tzu is required reading at West Point. I assume most graduates of Wharton are at least familiar with the work. Trump possesses a superior intellect honed by a career in high finance. He's up to the challenge even though he's likely to make mistakes along the way. Trump needs to eradicate the deep state in its awful entirety to win. Pedo-gate, if true, could be check and mate.

Anonymous Man of the Atom February 19, 2017 9:15 AM  

Looking Glass wrote:... but the Democrats just seem stupid right now. Which might actually be the proper read of the situation. They're devious but generally rather stupid.

Hanlon's Razor.

Blogger ZhukovG February 19, 2017 9:24 AM  

I continue to believe that there is a 'Deep State' civil war going on. CIA and NSA appear to be largely anti-Trump. But who is DIA supporting? Also I would think, after the abuse of the last few years, the Pentagon would support Trump but they might be hesitant at this point.

Flynn's resignation, over nothing much, appears like a diversion in some respects. But a diversion from what? I guess if the 82nd Airborne gets sent in to shut down Langley (I can dream can't I?) we'll know.

Blogger pyrrhus February 19, 2017 9:31 AM  

Obama is the spider here...http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-18/jay-sekulow-obama-should-be-held-accountable-soft-coup-attempt-against-trump

Anonymous Looking Glass February 19, 2017 9:43 AM  

@14 Day late, 10 dollars to expensive, showing large signs of stupidity and leading from behind. Yeah, that's Obama's MO, though where's Valerie Jarret? She's the only one that matters in that discussion.

@13 CIA is anti-Trump. NSA is going to be a mixed bag. Trump has the Service branches on lockdown.

People seem to have missed that Trump has a large collection of purged Marine Generals and out-grouped Billionaires has close advisors. People who have risen to their top of their game, but don't get invited to the "cool kids" meetings. Think about that for a bit. It should give you a lot of insight.

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Blogger Cataline Sergius February 19, 2017 9:55 AM  

Was the investigation ordered by an Obama appointee higher up at Justice?

The evidence of malfeasance was weak but you don't need that much to start an investigation. And it appears that this ball got rolling before Obama was out of office.

Blogger Shimshon February 19, 2017 9:58 AM  

They must be really desperate to play such a weak hand and reveal so much.

Anonymous BBGKB February 19, 2017 10:24 AM  

moveon dot org is saying Flynn is bigger than Watergate, but ignored all of Bath House Barry's bigger than Watergate scandals. They will be hitting representatives offices this week.

Who needs an incompetent NSA or one that is discredited before starting the job.

The black spy who told MILO it would take hundreds of affirmative action spies months to accomplish a simple keyword search for "Pennsylvania" did a good job demonstrating that.

People who have risen to their top of their game, but don't get invited to the "cool kids" meetings.

Is that where they get preserved Haitian cheese on ice?

OT: Anyone need a job as a sensitivity reader? http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/books/ct-publishers-hiring-book-readers-to-flag-sensitivity-20170215-story.html

Blogger Jack Ward February 19, 2017 10:42 AM  

@5, 8, 13, and VD

Flynn may turn out to be Trump's most loyal and trusted adviser. I can see Trump and his team noticing there was interest in Flynn and deciding that Flynn could really help them in this fight and could seem to be sacked by Trump and, indeed, see what rats are flushed out. Then, it would be really Sun Tsu for Trump to claim that since the FBI overstepped their authority, allowed the secret phone recordings to be leaked and, thus, welcome back General Flynn to the post your resigned from. It probably did not hurt that Flynn, apparently, handled himself well at the FBI interview. As well he could, since there was nothing there to stumble over anyway.
If this comes to pass my, already high opinion of Trump, will really go into orbit!

Blogger SemiSpook37 February 19, 2017 10:44 AM  

Every single Marine that I've ever met has always worn their senses of Duty and Honor along with their hearts on their sleeves. It may be joked about in joint settings, but there's something to be said about the simplistic approach to their training. I think that mindset is exactly what we need right now.

McCarthy's article does raise some eyebrows, though. It's an interesting play, and given my proximity to certain IC elements, myself, I can confirm a lot of what has been previously mentioned here.

Blogger bosscauser February 19, 2017 10:46 AM  

Just as likely Flynn, a notorious Russophobe, was used to flush out leaks.
Now he's a distraction...
Stay tuned!

#PresidentTrump2020

Blogger Ken Prescott February 19, 2017 10:54 AM  

L'affaire Flynn is showing the Deep State to actually be the Derp State...

Anonymous kfg February 19, 2017 11:03 AM  

"Anyone need a job as a sensitivity reader?"

The linked article calls out Veronica Roth's new novel Carve the Mark and a book that caused controversy by its advanced reading copy and had to be revised for "sensitivity."

I went to Infogalactic for basic background information, but had to resort to pulling the Wikipedia cache, because the Roth article is out of date and there is no Carve the Mark page.

Teething issues?
Tighter control of content before publication?

Either way, if I weren't already convinced of the basic superiority of Infogalactic I might well be thinking" Well, this sucks," and just go back to Wikipedia as default.

Blogger OneWingedShark February 19, 2017 12:00 PM  

Timmy3 wrote:Who needs an incompetent NSA or one that is discredited before starting the job.

The NSA has already been discredited: remember Snowden? -- Remember how they said they were only collecting metadata, not actual content... and then it was shown they were collecting content?

ZhukovG wrote:Flynn's resignation, over nothing much, appears like a diversion in some respects. But a diversion from what? I guess if the 82nd Airborne gets sent in to shut down Langley (I can dream can't I?) we'll know.

That would be an interesting/fun turn of events.

In any case there's a *lot* going on, if the so-called "pizzagate" pedophile-ring is really exposed --and picks up steam-- things could certainly turn out that crazy. (And believe me, I'm praying that God bring justice to the perpetrators and facilitators of such rings.)

Blogger Counter Attack February 19, 2017 12:05 PM  

Honestly thought that was the case in the first place. Flynn is an incredibly smart man, I worked for him indirectly before he retired. I'm inclined to believe he's a trap for the insiders in the intel community....He would be one of the greatest trophies.

Blogger Jack Ward February 19, 2017 12:17 PM  

@20 my own comment, extended. And, if Flynn is put back in as NSA, Trump's already firm hold on the loyalties of the military will become a death grip. Oh, I so hope...

Blogger Doom February 19, 2017 12:20 PM  

@20 Jack,

One thing that is amazing me is how well Trump plays this game. And, yes, as noted, he picks outsiders who just get the job done without handholding, politics, heavy cya activity, and other such. Being cool means being pwned, as much by ego as fads. It's, really, the elite nerd herding effect, like white collar unions are to academia.

It's difficult to tell when he has been had. He misdirects, fixes, hitches things back up, and is back in the lead by three laps before they realize he had been trapped but worked around it. It isn't just him. Flynn? Maybe he is in on it, maybe he took one for the team, and maybe he was either fence sitting or even doing rightly/wrongly but it didn't matter as he was simply not supposed to get caught. That whole thing is still up in the air, for me. I just wouldn't be surprised if it was rigged. Even a good chess piece, sometimes, must be sacrificed.

I just wouldn't bet against Trump. I am thinking he wrangled his way to the office over decades, not a few months or years. I love when they "catch him". Like grabbing a tiger by the tail, then you see that black faced buck-toothed grin right before the mauling. Popcorn, boys and girls. Popcorn.

Anonymous kfg February 19, 2017 12:28 PM  

"It's difficult to tell when he has been had. He misdirects, fixes, hitches things back up, and is back in the lead by three laps before they realize he had been trapped but worked around it."

He has already been the most interesting and just plain fun to watch President in something like "forever."

"I am thinking he wrangled his way to the office over decades, not a few months or years."

Just watch his old interviews. He's been maneuvering around it as long as I can remember. Possibly as long as he can remember as well.

Blogger praetorian February 19, 2017 12:39 PM  

I like this precedent that we can now use the FBI against political enemies almost as much as I like the precedent that we can use the IRS against political enemies.

Democrats really are extremely stupid.

Blogger Rusty Fife February 19, 2017 12:46 PM  

"We Mutually Pledge To Each Other Our Lives, Our Fortunes And Our Sacred Honor"

If Flynn took one for the team, it isn't out of American revolutionary character.

Anonymous 11B February 19, 2017 1:15 PM  

Why isn't anyone investigating McCain and Graham over their telephone conversations with the PM of Ukraine? Sure, it turned out to be a prank call, but if McCain and Graham are going to discuss sanctions and government policy with whom they thought was the PM of Ukraine, does anyone doubt they do not do the same with the real thing?

Here is the McCain prank

Here is the Graham prank

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Hair February 19, 2017 1:21 PM  

Fascinating read. I have friends in the deep state and at least the one I have talked is pissed off with what happened to Flynn.

"The NSA has already been discredited: remember Snowden? -- Remember how they said they were only collecting metadata, not actual content... and then it was shown they were collecting content?"

@25. That is what people like John Schindler do not understand. Though I can only speak for myself, having been on the inside in some capacity, the NSA's reputation is irrevocably tarnished. Now it is true that when they were founded back in the 40s that they would intercept international telegrams sent from US citizens and copy all the content. It doesn't matter. It's still a violation of the fourth amendment. Now they have done a lot of good work protecting us including as early as the Korean War where they broke the North Korean ciphers and were able to get real-time data to our commanders on what the North Korean military was going. It is also true that started downloading all these classified documents long before James Clapper's testimony and that the Russians admitted on Twitter last year that he is a Russian asset.

In the end, it doesn't matter. They lied to us. James Clapper lied to us and should be in prison for perjury. Until REAL CHANGES (including allowing outside cleared observers to see all their programs, randomly and at will, to certify that they are not spying on Amcits; that goes for the FBI too with Carnivore and phone data) are made most people outside of the system, meaning most citizens, will never trust them again. Those that are inside the system will be wary as well. They can be correct 99 times out of 100 with the data they get but they have cried wolf too many times while shooting at us. They've lost our trust.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer February 19, 2017 1:24 PM  

praetorian wrote:I like this precedent that we can now use the FBI against political enemies almost as much as I like the precedent that we can use the IRS against political enemies.

Democrats really are extremely stupid.


And this is why I think Trump may have fired him just to get the media to go crazy with coverage. It's hard to sweep the story back under the rug when questions about how the data was collected. Who ordered it collected. Why there were multiple FISA court requests for wire taps on Trumps team DURING A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN etc. If Trump lets this story stew for another week and then drops indictments on the the people in the departments who organized this and former Obama political appointees it's going to be hard for the media to deny it was a big deal after talking about how important it was that Flynn was fired.

Let's not forget what Watergate was about. It was about bugging the DNC's campaign headquarters by RNC operatives. This appears to be that on steroids. It is using the power of the state to monitor ALL communications by members of the opposition party's campaign.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Hair February 19, 2017 1:24 PM  

That should read North Korean commanders going to do and Snowden downloading. Stupid transcription Siri

Blogger Roy Lofquist February 19, 2017 1:30 PM  

Couple of things -

The Obama administration was staffed by a lot of young, naive political loyalists with an aversion to all things military. The Trump crew, on the other hand, is the A team. We might look back to General Custer for an example as to what happens when you underestimate the enemy.

Second, I think there is a longer game than has been suggested. Trump is not only going to nail the leakers, he is also going to crucify the media people who received the leaks.

Blogger Doom February 19, 2017 1:50 PM  

kfg,

Are you a dame? Some... sense, or memory, or how... never mind. Just curious. Not a hater, mostly. :p

praetorian wrote:I like this precedent that we can now use the FBI against political enemies almost as much as I like the precedent that we can use the IRS against political enemies.

Democrats really are extremely stupid.


Oh, and, the nuclear option? *grins* *rictus grins* That's... gonna hurt. Hopefully they'll fix it before they have to hand it over. Then again, they ARE Republicans. No wonder the dual-single party couldn't stop Trump. Gah!

Blogger Skyler the Weird February 19, 2017 1:51 PM  

This is starting to sound more and more like what was done to Nixon by the Military/Intelligence complex in Len Kolodny's 1991 book on Watergate 'Silent Coup'.

Blogger Elder Son February 19, 2017 3:01 PM  

I can't figure out what the Democrats were looking to gain by running out Flynn.

Globalists are not limited to the Democrat party.

In its final days, the Obama administration has expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.

Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch signed the new rules, permitting the N.S.A. to disseminate “raw signals intelligence information,” on Jan. 3, after the director of national intelligence, James R. Clapper Jr., signed them on Dec. 15, according to a 23-page, largely declassified copy of the procedures.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/us/politics/nsa-gets-more-latitude-to-share-intercepted-communications.html?_r=0

Related:

Sekulow confirms, noting that back when only the NSA had access to this kind of raw data, there would be a very small amount of people who have access to this kind of data. "But this change in the Obama Administration was so significant that they allowed dissemination to 16 other agencies, and we wonder why there's leaks."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-18/jay-sekulow-obama-should-be-held-accountable-soft-coup-attempt-against-trump

Which ties into:

Obama Is Setting Up a Shadow Government

https://www.bing.com/search?q=Obama+setting+up+shadow+government&pc=MOZI&form=MOZSBR

And here: http://nypost.com/2017/02/11/how-obama-is-scheming-to-sabotage-trumps-presidency/

Obama IS the President in Exile, so he and his globalists believe.

The Office of Barack and Michelle Obama.

https://barackobama.com/

Obama and Clinton have been busy saturating the various agencies, including the State Dept., with globalists.

Anonymous kfg February 19, 2017 3:12 PM  

Doom: "Are you a dame?"

Nope.

"Not a hater"

No problemo, although I'm at something of a loss.

Blogger RobertT February 19, 2017 4:00 PM  

Somewhere in this mess, we will find out if Trump is as bright as we hope he is. If he actually pulled this off, I am perfectly satisfied because that will show us what he's capable of. If he didn't, it's just another missed opportunity. Not unlike Reagan who also backed down from his agenda or ignored opportunities. Still hoping that won't be the case with Trump. He can show me by taking McCain's scalp, repealing Obamacare and passing his tax cut bill. Or by arresting the people responsible for attacking Flynn with illegal evidence.

Anonymous kfg February 19, 2017 4:15 PM  

" . . . Reagan who also backed down . . ."

Bearing in mind that he was suffering from a bit of lead poisoning by injection.

Still hoping that won't be the case with Trump.

Blogger RobertT February 19, 2017 4:18 PM  

Canning Deare is a step in the right direction. I think Trump has it in him, if just doesn't let his staff talk him out of it.

Anonymous The OASF February 19, 2017 4:29 PM  

On the face of it, it sure seems like Trump's allowance of Flynn to be sacked was a huge mistake.

It's hard to believe he would be that stupid to not turn that one to his advantage. so I have to agree that we're going to have to wait and see on this one.

Anonymous grumblr February 19, 2017 4:52 PM  

I just don't know as much about this as the rest of you, but I have a gnawing gut feeling that Flynn was sacked b/c Trump has an EXTREMELY high expectation of personal integrity in his hires.

Never watched The Apprentice much, but one of the few times I saw it, there was this promising young white guy, one of the top contenders, who was asked at one point to describe his background. He recounted a lot of impressive achievements, then said something like, "Pretty good for a redneck, right?" in a jovial self-deprecating way.

Trump was furious with him, saying "Redneck is an insult, and if you said it about yourself, it means you have no self-respect, I cant have someone like that working with me, you're fired."

He was willing to lose one of his top guys b/c he felt the guy had a character defect. That was similar to the explanation he gave about Flynn at the press conference. This all may have a simple explanation that goes to the high level of personal qualities Trump demands from others.

Blogger Elder Son February 19, 2017 5:05 PM  

“Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties promote the Deep State/Shadow Government/Globalist Agenda of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.”

Democrats (and republicans) Suggest Invoking The 25th Amendment Unless Trump "Gets A Grip"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-19/democrats-go-there-invoke-25th-amendment-unless-trump-gets-grip

Blogger Matthew February 19, 2017 5:09 PM  

Man of the Atom wrote:Hanlon's Razor.

Hanlon's Razor is enemy propaganda, and transparent at that.

Blogger Doom February 19, 2017 5:25 PM  

kfg,

Cool. My wires were just crossed then. It happens.

Anonymous Saracen III February 19, 2017 5:31 PM  

Trump's treatment of Flynn makes perfect sense in the context of "relief".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxZWxxZ2JGE

58 minutes of your time, and entertaining in its own right.

Blogger Lazarus February 19, 2017 5:32 PM  

Elder Son wrote:Democrats (and republicans) Suggest Invoking The 25th Amendment Unless Trump "Gets A Grip"

There is no pleasing these people. The last time Trump "got a grip" on something he was roundly criticised.

Anonymous Doug s February 19, 2017 5:53 PM  

I am sick of tired of this narative that trump is some type of genius ... he is narasitic, paranoid personality disorder, with strong meglomania aspects and an ability to lie that puts PT Barnum to shame .. when he does something crazy, its just his crazy showing, not some secret stratagem that none of us understand...we understand completely..

The story of flynn is simply this .. he was directed by trump to contact russians regarding upcoming sanctions of obama admin.. he was told to tell them dont worry, he will reverse them. This happened before Trump was president and as such it was illegal ... period, end of story.

Now the US monitors and records all calls outside the US, just like they monitor all the activity here and everything else associated here... (they monitor all alt right blogs) .. that is their job.. and rightfully so.

Now the fact are that flynn was caught, he broke the law, and Trump threw him under the bus or flynn jumped under it to protect trump.. thats what soldiers like flynn do.

Trump has picked a battle with both the intelligence community and the press ... they never lose.

Anonymous kfg February 19, 2017 6:02 PM  

"... he is narasitic, paranoid personality disorder, with strong meglomania aspects and an ability to lie that puts PT Barnum to shame .. "

Yeah, but I'm sure over the next few years some negative traits will show themselves as well. Nobody's perfect.

Blogger FUCK GOOGLE February 19, 2017 6:27 PM  

@51 It does make me laugh that the opposition still thinks Trump is just a crazy idiot. After laughing, I smile, because there's no way they can even begin to come up with a plan to beat him when they are underestimating him so badly.

A little friendly advice: maybe try letting your reason work instead of just kneejerk emotional reaction to everything.

Less friendly advice: shut up and fuck off.

Anonymous Lawyer Guy February 19, 2017 6:30 PM  

President Trump is a media savvy billionaire who can wrap up the media inside their OODA loops.

He is leading America to make things better for us rather than make his family richer or more powerful. He will never let us down.

Doug s wrote:I am sick of tired of this narative that trump is some type of genius ... he is narasitic, paranoid personality disorder, with strong meglomania aspects and an ability to lie that puts PT Barnum to shame .. when he does something crazy, its just his crazy showing, not some secret stratagem that none of us understand...we understand completely..

Blogger Elder Son February 19, 2017 7:25 PM  

@51 Doug s

It would have been a lot simpler if you had just said: "OMG! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! He's poking the Deep State/Shadow Government/Globalists in the eye!"

To be honest, I don't believe that Trump is our "savior". As for Flynn, since "the cat is out of the bag", no harm in releasing those NSA transcripts. And yes, the Lame Stream Media lies for the globalists. As far as, "when he does something crazy" goes, you mean when he puts his finger in the globalists eye.

P.S. You colors show.

Blogger Cail Corishev February 19, 2017 7:29 PM  

I am sick of tired of this narative that trump is some type of genius

Aw, you poor thing. It's gonna be a long 8 years; better buckle up, little camper.

Blogger Cail Corishev February 19, 2017 7:36 PM  

It does make me laugh that the opposition still thinks Trump is just a crazy idiot.

Yep. It appears that they've realized the HitlerHitlerHitler narrative isn't working, so they've decided to switch to the "unstable" narrative that was popular among NeverTrumpers during the campaign. It won't be any more effective, but I guess they have to earn their paychecks somehow.

My inclination was to stick to the simple interpretation on Flynn: he screwed up, so he got fired. The only thing that makes me think it could be more complicated is the question of why Trump hired him in the first place. We keep hearing that he's a neocon and a Democrat. Presumably the second thing is an established fact, and if the first thing is also true, why did Trump pick him? He's been staying away from the neocons in general, despite all the fears and rumors about Romney et al. So the Flynn hiring was a little odd -- unless it was a trap of some sort. Could be, I guess.

Blogger FUCK GOOGLE February 19, 2017 7:53 PM  

@57 I've heard a good metaphor to explain why Trump picked people who were not ideologically similar to him: he's not looking for yes men, he's looking for loyal people. Just like Eliot Ness: he picks people who a reliable over picking people that agree with him 100%.

Loyalty is the first, last, and most important attribute Trump needs in his subordinates - doubly so with the rest of the bureaucracy, deep state, and media against him.

Blogger Lazarus February 19, 2017 8:39 PM  

Elder Son wrote:@51 Doug s

It would have been a lot simpler if you had just said: "OMG! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! He's poking the Deep State/Shadow Government/Globalists in the eye!"


Maybe Doug s is Rajish Kumar, the hired Indians usually show up about this time.

Blogger Elocutioner February 19, 2017 9:18 PM  

25A? Kek. They're clearly not tired of losing!

Blogger wreckage February 19, 2017 11:01 PM  

You bastards are turning me into a Deep State quasi-conspiracy-theorist.

Only, powerful bureaucratic interests serving themselves rather than the people isn't so much a "conspiracy theory" as a rational inevitability and established fact, I just hadn't thought about it like this before.

Like insomnia wasn't already a problem.

Anonymous BBGKB February 19, 2017 11:04 PM  

You bastards are turning me into a Deep State quasi-conspiracy-theorist.

Flynn was given the DC phonebook

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/213016-2017-02-19-cia-agent-michael-flynn-was-ousted-after-obtaining-dc-pedophile.htm

Blogger wreckage February 19, 2017 11:07 PM  

@51 Trump's not a genius.

I have a top end of average IQ. It's blasphemy and calumny against the US democratic system that the cream of your political crop have looked and acted like retarded children for 20 years, by the standards of a barely smart, university drop-out, farm hand.

This is not theory on my part. I have publicly schooled politicians on my own side of politics. The entire field is made up of sub-normal people who are not only not even average, they're also shit negotiators, garbage at strategy, and horribly poorly read as well.

Trump is smart, which in his field makes him like unto a God.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd February 19, 2017 11:25 PM  

"I can't spare this man. He fights!"

There's no evidence for him having any cluster B personality disorder whatsoever. Or maybe you're aware of traits I'm not privy to?

There's also no evidence that Flynn did anything wrong, at least not legally. So take that on please.

Trump demands a high standard of conduct. He is a force of nature with an abundance of integrity; he insists on his subordinates being honest at all times. That's why all these leaks will eventually be dealt with in epic fashion.

Trump has already beaten the press. What are they going to do to him that they didn't try during the election? Limbaugh said it best, "The media didn't make him and the media can't break him." As for the intelligence community, they are due for spring cleaning. No corruption lasts forever. They've done a horrible job over the last twenty years anyway, so I doubt many of these agents and analysts would be missed. If delusional secret agendas involving the reshaping of the Middle East are not developed, there isn't a need for 75% of them.

Furthermore, just like with Farage and Brexit, Le Pen, Wilders, et al, Trump has the ultimate insurance against traitors, which is the loyalty of We the People.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd February 19, 2017 11:36 PM  

Maybe off-topic, I don't know.

With I.Q. higher is not always superior. Mine is 147, which has helped me greatly in academia. However I can't help but feel like it's also partially responsible for my psychological dysfunction, or maybe vice-versa?

Knocking twenty points off and getting to be a stable, functional MAN connected to our Creator sounds like a better deal.

Leaders may not need an I.Q. above 135 ever, as higher I.Q.s seem to exist alongside undesirable traits.

It seems much better to be stable, clear-headed, focused, athletic, and most importantly, self-confident, than it is to have those twenty points. Of course, Vox seems to have that kind of ultra-high I.Q. yet is socially and psychologically strong. Same with Molyneux. So go figure?

Blogger praetorian February 20, 2017 12:34 AM  

Trump has picked a battle with both the intelligence community and the press ... they never lose.

Seen the Trump Train plow through quite a few nevers so far, fam.

You have to go back.

Anonymous Mr Short Term Memory February 20, 2017 12:37 AM  

r/K theory.

Maybe they can't!

Anonymous Mr Short Term Memory February 20, 2017 12:45 AM  

The comment section here reminds me of what zero hedge's used to be like. It may even be better.

No filler. Straight, no chaser.

Blogger John rockwell February 20, 2017 7:30 AM  

@Mr short term memory
K-selection is when humans come to carrying capacity forcing competition.

It can however be thwarted by predatory pressure by preventing people from reaching carrying capacity. E.g Liberals banning guns and body armour to make everyone equally weak. In state of nature all prey species.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey February 20, 2017 7:37 AM  

@Doug s
Long range attempts at (((psychoanalysis))) are always comical, and typically more revealing about the writer than the target. You sound more than a little "narasitic" yourself, btw.

Though your blind faith in universal government surveillance is actually more revealing about the Left's goals. Remarkable that someone would have the chutzpah to even attempt to justify widespread illegal wiretapping of an incoming President's team by the lame-duck administration.

Blogger Centurion Revolt February 20, 2017 1:22 PM  

Occam's Razor suggests otherwise.

Blogger OneWingedShark February 20, 2017 6:04 PM  

FUCK GOOGLE wrote:@57Loyalty is the first, last, and most important attribute Trump needs in his subordinates - doubly so with the rest of the bureaucracy, deep state, and media against him.

I'm going to disagree -- the first attribute is integrity, loyality is second. (The reason for this is that loyalty alone/first would make an echo-chamber, whereas integrity would have the balls to disagree, to stand up and say "X is wrong" or "Y is not smart".)

wreckage wrote:You bastards are turning me into a Deep State quasi-conspiracy-theorist.

Only, powerful bureaucratic interests serving themselves rather than the people isn't so much a "conspiracy theory" as a rational inevitability and established fact, I just hadn't thought about it like this before.

Like insomnia wasn't already a problem.


I shouldn't laugh, but I find the way you phrase that slightly amusing; though it certainly is true.

Francis Parker Yockey wrote:Remarkable that someone would have the chutzpah to even attempt to justify widespread illegal wiretapping of an incoming President's team by the lame-duck administration.

I think the widespread surveillance is about to really blow-up; people are/were pissed about the NSA's domestic espionage and this has the ability to 'reignite' interest... plus it also shows that these systems are actively being used against political opponents.

Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Hair wrote:"The NSA has already been discredited: remember Snowden? -- Remember how they said they were only collecting metadata, not actual content... and then it was shown they were collecting content?"

@25. That is what people like John Schindler do not understand. Though I can only speak for myself, having been on the inside in some capacity, the NSA's reputation is irrevocably tarnished. [...] It doesn't matter. It's still a violation of the fourth amendment. [...]

In the end, it doesn't matter. They lied to us. James Clapper lied to us and should be in prison for perjury. Until REAL CHANGES (including allowing outside cleared observers to see all their programs, randomly and at will, to certify that they are not spying on Amcits; that goes for the FBI too with Carnivore and phone data) are made most people outside of the system, meaning most citizens, will never trust them again. Those that are inside the system will be wary as well. They can be correct 99 times out of 100 with the data they get but they have cried wolf too many times while shooting at us. They've lost our trust.


This is true; but also on a larger, more abstract scale: those in authority have for too long been held to no account and, frankly, the people are getting pissed at all the buck-passing. Tons of people are "waking up" to the fact that these politically connected are held to a completely different standard than the normal Joe (as the FBI/Hillary investigation so starkly showed) -- and it's this frustration, this cold/rational anger, which has propelled Trump into the Presidency.

Anonymous Clay February 20, 2017 9:26 PM  

Whoo, You folks are into some deep shit.

like swampy stuff

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