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Monday, March 06, 2017

A tale of two preorders

The Corroding Empire
#15 in Books > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Science Fiction > Space Opera

The Collapsing Empire
#151 in Books > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Science Fiction > Space Opera

And to think that we didn't even have to pay seven digits for the right to publish the former! A collapsing empire indeed.

Many thanks to Alexandra Erin for the inspiration!

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98 Comments:

Blogger Student in Blue March 06, 2017 3:23 PM  

Looks one of the empires is causing the other to fall.

Coincidential names?

...nah.

Blogger Ivaneus March 06, 2017 3:29 PM  

Perfect. Everything is going even better than we had thought it could have!

Muahahaha!

Mine is an evil laugh!

Blogger Beau March 06, 2017 3:33 PM  

Just pre-ordered.

Blogger Melampus the Seer March 06, 2017 3:41 PM  

IS Johan Kalsi really The Mule?

Blogger tz March 06, 2017 3:50 PM  

Em-Pyre, burn baby, burn!

Blogger Alexander March 06, 2017 3:52 PM  

It is a fine time indeed when one's overlord is as fine a cruelty artist as he is a best-selling publisher and Hugo-nominated author & editor.

Hail Victory! Still not tired of winning!

Blogger #7139 March 06, 2017 3:53 PM  

Ummm...maximum evil, maximum trainwreck. It is good.

Blogger SirHamster March 06, 2017 3:54 PM  

Also pre-ordered. Are there bonuses for pre-orders, or not until release?

Anonymous Juan Palsy March 06, 2017 3:59 PM  

Take the aggressive timeline and strategy of an Asylum production, crank up the quality of the result, profit.

Roger Corman made a lot of money doing a chintzy version.

Now I need to figure out how to do, in my area, what you're doing so successfully here.

Anonymous Indigo March 06, 2017 4:00 PM  

Check back tomorrow for a more accurate ranking comparison.

Also, how are Corroded Empires hardcover rankings?

Blogger VD March 06, 2017 4:07 PM  

Check back tomorrow for a more accurate ranking comparison.

Planning to cut the price again? You know that you just lose even more money that way, right?

Blogger Nate March 06, 2017 4:09 PM  

#REKT

Blogger Franz Lyonheart March 06, 2017 4:11 PM  

BTW. Forgot to mention in the other thread :

Preordered.

Obviously ;)

Blogger Franz Lyonheart March 06, 2017 4:14 PM  

Planning to cut the price again? You know that you just lose even more money that way, right?

They make a loss on each hardcover, but by cutting the price further, they'll make it up on volume!

:D

Blogger flambeaux March 06, 2017 4:15 PM  

Pre-ordered. You had me at 6'3" Finnish Marine...

Blogger David-2 March 06, 2017 4:21 PM  

Can't wait to read this ... hope the cover art shows on the kindle edition ... I appreciate Castalia House's attention to detail in all things to the point that the cover art is not just in the same style ... but better.

Blogger Elocutioner March 06, 2017 4:24 PM  

Ooh, seems it's collapsed further, down to #151 now.

Anonymous kfg March 06, 2017 4:31 PM  

OT, but the fate of Old Media related:

The Guardian has actually put out the begging bowl. You are kindly requested to just give them money to support their failure.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros March 06, 2017 4:32 PM  

It's #7 in Galactic Empire, but still #48 in Space Opera.

Blogger jimmy_the_freak March 06, 2017 4:35 PM  

Look at that:

#7 in Books > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Science Fiction > Galactic Empire
#10 in Kindle Store > Kindle eBooks > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Science Fiction > Galactic Empire
#22 in Kindle Store > Kindle eBooks > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Science Fiction > Space Opera

Blogger George March 06, 2017 4:35 PM  

Now if we can only get Corroding Empire on Hugo ballot and see how many SJW "no award" Scalzi's book by accident.

Blogger Michael Maier March 06, 2017 4:36 PM  

They make a loss on each hardcover, but by cutting the price further, they'll make it up on volume!

Was that a Monty Python skit?

I think I first read that in ORDER OF THE STICK.

Blogger Alexander March 06, 2017 4:52 PM  

Pre-ordered!

Blogger Dave March 06, 2017 4:56 PM  

Are there bonuses for pre-orders

This is the bonus we're living in it right now live as it happens.

Anonymous Indigo March 06, 2017 4:57 PM  

Planning to cut the price again?

I have no idea, but you know how Amazon rankings work. Will Corroded Empire remain as steady as Scalzi's book has? I think it's been available for at least three weeks now.

Blogger SouthRon March 06, 2017 5:02 PM  

At this rate he'll have to call it "The Prolapsing Empire".

Anonymous AzDesertRat March 06, 2017 5:03 PM  

I wonder how strong his backlist sales are on his previously released titles. Say this thing bombs and someone at Tor is called onto the carpet about it, would they have the numbers behind them to weather that storm?

Blogger Harsh March 06, 2017 5:06 PM  

Indigo wrote:Planning to cut the price again?

I have no idea, but you know how Amazon rankings work. Will Corroded Empire remain as steady as Scalzi's book has? I think it's been available for at least three weeks now.


Move those goalposts!

Blogger Jon D. March 06, 2017 5:08 PM  

I just went for your push the rankings gimmick :P But mainly cuz I was gonna buy it anyway and this is epic hilarity.

Anonymous kfg March 06, 2017 5:09 PM  

@22: "Was that a Monty Python skit?"

When I first heard that joke more than 50 years ago it was already so covered with barnacles that no one could figure out where it originated.

And so venerated that retelling it, as Vox has just done, has itself become a joke. Everybody has done it, and their little dogs too.

Edumacated guess is that it came out of vaudeville in the earlier days of mass marketing for volume sales, when it would be timely for a rube to comically misunderstand the principle involved.

Anonymous TD March 06, 2017 5:12 PM  

Pre-ordered through Captain Capitalism's Amazon affiliate link.

Blogger Dave March 06, 2017 5:12 PM  

Check out the Amazon Special Offers and Product Promotions for The Collapsing Empire hardcover:

Pre-order Price Guarantee! Order now and if the Amazon.com price decreases between your order time and the end of the day of the release date, you'll receive the lowest price. Here's how (restrictions apply)

Haow low will they go? Where will it end? Tune in next time and don't forget to tell your friends!


Blogger SmockMan March 06, 2017 5:16 PM  

Pre-ordered! I'm a sucker for purple space covers.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) March 06, 2017 5:19 PM  

25. Indigo March 06, 2017 4:57 PM
I think it's been available for at least three weeks now.



and how many millions did Castalia pay as an advance to Johan?

oh.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 06, 2017 5:23 PM  

White Liberals need to get used to their demographic displacement anyway and this is good training for their disenfranchisement

Blogger Doug Cranmer March 06, 2017 5:23 PM  

This is ... evil.

Blogger L. Beau March 06, 2017 5:44 PM  

But does "everyone" think that Johan Kalsi is a "badass?"

Anonymous "everyone" March 06, 2017 5:46 PM  

Yes.

Anonymous Deplorable Winning March 06, 2017 5:48 PM  

Doug Cranmer wrote:This is ... evil.

Yesss... supremely evil.


Publisher: Tor Books (March 21, 2017)
Sold by: Macmillan
Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #2,720 Paid in Kindle Store


Publisher: Castalia House (March 20, 2017)
Sold by: Amazon Digital Services LLC
Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #1,256 Paid in Kindle Store

Blogger L. Beau March 06, 2017 6:00 PM  

Thanks "everyone."

Why did Chuck Norris leave L.A.?
He heard that Johan Kalsi was coming to visit.

An asteroid didn't wipe out the dinosaurs, Johan Kalsi did.

Space aliens know about life on Earth, but they're too afraid of Johan Kalsi to invade us.

The 14-year hiatus in global warming? Johan Kalsi told the Sun, "Cut it the f*ck out."

Blogger Servant March 06, 2017 6:09 PM  

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Blogger Servant March 06, 2017 6:10 PM  

Is this an actual book or more along the lines of John scalzi raped me?

Blogger Matthew March 06, 2017 6:22 PM  

It's an actual book that you will actually enjoy. The whole point is that we can outdo Tor in content, cover, and production speed.

Yes, there will be a print edition, and sooner than the dumbasses expect.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) March 06, 2017 6:31 PM  

Johan Kalsi doesn't do pushups ...


Johan Kalsi doesn't get million dollar advances. they pay him a million dollars to go away.

Blogger Alexander March 06, 2017 6:46 PM  

I'd say that Castalia House just showed up on Scalzi's lawn, drank his beer and danced with his women...

...but why would you want to do any of those things?

Anonymous Anonymous March 06, 2017 6:55 PM  

So what's the counter move when the Chinless Wonder inevitably whines to Amazon and gets Kalsi's epic removed?

Anonymous Jon Bromfield March 06, 2017 7:00 PM  

So what's the counter move when the Chinless Wonder inevitably whines to Amazon and gets Kalsi's epic removed?

Anonymous kfg March 06, 2017 7:02 PM  

" . . .and danced with his women..."

I thought John was the Scalzi women.

Blogger Commenter March 06, 2017 7:08 PM  

You guys crack me up! Ordered of course!

Blogger VD March 06, 2017 7:28 PM  

So what's the counter move when the Chinless Wonder inevitably whines to Amazon and gets Kalsi's epic removed?

Won't happen. We're not even close to violating any rules. You can't protect a title, and we're not even using the same title.

Blogger Michael Maier March 06, 2017 7:38 PM  

Man... Castalia House freakin' rocks. If I didn't already have a Kindle nearly FULL of unread e-books, I'd buy this one too.

Blogger beerme March 06, 2017 7:45 PM  

Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #915 Paid in Kindle Store (See Top 100 Paid in Kindle Store)
#6 in Kindle Store > Kindle eBooks > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Science Fiction > Galactic Empire
#6 in Books > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Science Fiction > Galactic Empire
#12 in Kindle Store > Kindle eBooks > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Science Fiction > Space Opera

Blogger Wolfman at Large March 06, 2017 8:06 PM  

Mind blown. John Scalzi needs to write more books so that Castalia House can answer each one with a Dragon award winning mock-buster. His lasing legacy in Science fiction will be to encourage great works of literary masterpieces to be written solely for the purpose of mocking him. Future historians will wonder "who was this man?" "Was he really that much of the pompous twatbar?" and lastly "Why do all the great novels of the Iridium age of science fiction (2017-2032) make fun of him?" Sadly those future generations will never fully understand He Who Was the Cuck Of Legends. Perhaps it is better this way?

Blogger Keith Glass March 06, 2017 8:08 PM  

The sad thing? It's ***STILL*** likely to be better than (at least from the published excerpts. . . ) utterly unreadable mess that Johnny Barefoot foisted on the TORlings. . .

Anonymous Lawyer Guy March 06, 2017 8:20 PM  

I haven't purchased Tor for a while for the same reason none of us do anymore.

However, I even look hard at Baen releases the last few years because there have been some so-so books.

I pre-ordered this one as soon as I followed the link, because I have not been let down yet.

Anonymous Jon Bromfield March 06, 2017 8:22 PM  

"Won't happen. We're not even close to violating any rules. You can't protect a title, and we're not even using the same title."

True, but that doesn't mean the manboob, backed by Tor, might prevail with the spineless at Amazon. After all, there's no legal requirement for Amazon to carry any book, is there?

Blogger beerme March 06, 2017 8:29 PM  

@54 However, I even look hard at Baen releases the last few years because there have been some so-so books.

Baen is going downhill rapidly in my opinion. I can't recall the last time that I looked at their publication schedule and saw more than one book I will buy, which wasn't the case 4-5 years ago. Outside of Correia/Ringo/Kratman, Baen has nothing of interest to me anymore.

Blogger Markku March 06, 2017 8:30 PM  

No, but they haven't yet refused to carry a book for political reasons. I mean, look at THIS best-selling author. They probably don't want to make us the precedent, because the news shitstorm would be epic. LITERALLY WORSE THAN HITLER!!!

Blogger VD March 06, 2017 8:36 PM  

True, but that doesn't mean the manboob, backed by Tor, might prevail with the spineless at Amazon. After all, there's no legal requirement for Amazon to carry any book, is there?

That is true. And it doesn't mean that the God-Emperor won't launch a drone strike at Amazon and take down its servers either.

What is it like living in constant fear of absolutely nothing all day every day?

We give that sort of remote possibility zero consideration. If we did, we'd never do anything at all.

Blogger Samuel Nock March 06, 2017 9:06 PM  

Now we know why Finland has such a serious rape problem.

Blogger Commenter March 06, 2017 9:11 PM  

"True, but that doesn't mean the manboob, backed by Tor, might prevail with the spineless at Amazon. After all, there's no legal requirement for Amazon to carry any book, is there?"

Eh..... Then I would hope Castalia House would sell it through their site. Actually, I should buy books from them directly anyway rather than amazon. It's just convenient to use one click purchase. Next one comes from castalia house dot com. Too bad their isn't an auto-purchase upon publication option. That level of consumer loyalty might be a little creepy though.

Blogger Markku March 06, 2017 9:14 PM  

The fact that your Amazon purchase increases the rank of the book just about makes up the difference. It also gives you verified purchase for a review. So, either option suits us equally fine.

Blogger seeingsights March 06, 2017 9:17 PM  

Amazon stopped selling the Confederate flag, yet it has no hang ups selling controversial books. After browsing on Amazon alt right books , their algorithms suggested to me a book by a white supremacist.
I have no interest in supremicism by the way.

Blogger Lazarus March 06, 2017 9:18 PM  

Wolfman at Large wrote:Future historians will wonder "who was this man?" "

The Ed Wood of the 21st Century. Should have called it "Plan 9 From the Collapsing Empire".

Blogger Markku March 06, 2017 9:21 PM  

If you wage war on every single front you can find, you're guaranteed to lose. Currently Amazon is in a price war on ebooks with the Big Five, and their actions are causing enormous trouble to them. And Amazon has not actually yet set themselves up as an enemy to us. They haven't yet committed a single hostile act. So, I would encourage our fans to not purity-spiral on this one.

Blogger Commenter March 06, 2017 9:38 PM  

Sorry. I wasn't trying to cause trouble. Verified purchase reviews and effects on rankings sounds like a win to me.

Blogger Markku March 06, 2017 9:40 PM  

No problem, I wasn't talking about you per se. I'm just seeing quickly increasing boycotts of Amazon, and it's not the time for that yet. Amazon is the worst thing that is happening to the Big Five.

Blogger Matthew March 06, 2017 9:42 PM  

Stop getting tired of winning, y'all.

Blogger Commenter March 06, 2017 9:57 PM  

66. Markku
Roger that! Keep the books coming!

Anonymous Somme Boddet March 06, 2017 11:35 PM  

Serious question: With how well the pre-order is doing right now, will Castalia be doing more pre-orders, announcing books before the launch, and such? It seems that Castalia tends to just announce books the day they launch in general. (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.)

Blogger Resident Moron™ March 07, 2017 12:31 AM  

"#REKT"

Heh.

Kek Rekt.

This is too good. I feel like Morpheus at the end of the last Matrix film:

"I have waited for this day for so long .... can this be real?"

Blogger Resident Moron™ March 07, 2017 12:42 AM  

Pre-ordered, of course.

Does anyone know if Tor really loses money on every hardcover? Because if they do, might we not wait until the price goes even lower, and buy them?

For bonus lolz I'd happily have mine delivered to the Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil League of Evil, just so he can burn it on a pile of similarly ilk-bought and unread copies, live on Gab TV ...

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 07, 2017 2:08 AM  

Resident Moron, that's good in theory, bad in practice. At this point, moving units is all Tor has left. So if they lose a dollar on a hardcover book, they'll make gains in PR. Right now, it is more important that they appear incompetent at their core profession (bookselling) than that we do a little marginal nickel and diming.

Besides, the accounting isn't that perfect. The reason hardcovers "lose money" has to do with storage and returns, not actual sales.
Any sale helps Tor in the short term. Ergo the Bargain Bin.

Blogger Brian Niemeier March 07, 2017 2:14 AM  

@9: Roger Corman is a national treasure.

Back to the topic at hand:

THE CORRODING EMPIRE
#926 Paid in Kindle Store
#6 in Kindle Store > Kindle eBooks > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Science Fiction > Galactic Empire
#6 in Books > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Science Fiction > Galactic Empire
#14 in Kindle Store > Kindle eBooks > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Science Fiction > Space Opera

THE COLLAPSING EMPIRE
#2,984 Paid in Kindle Store
#67 in Kindle Store > Kindle eBooks > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Science Fiction > Military
#67 in Kindle Store > Kindle eBooks > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Science Fiction > Space Opera
#77 in Books > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Science Fiction > Military

Blogger Markku March 07, 2017 2:24 AM  

When you are printing hundreds of thousands of books, you can push the printing cost of a single unit extremely low. To less than 3 USD for a hardcover of this size. However, this mass production method has a huge one-time set up cost, and also, books are heavy. The logistics and storage costs are huge. Especially since books require very specific humidity levels for storage. But it is their only option, since the contract requires them to print that many books. Print-on-demand, and only printing what you are actually able to sell, is not an option due to the contract.

So, if they manage to sell every copy they print, yes, they could theoretically make that price profitable. But then, why did they already drop it to less than half of what they started with, before it's even released? With pre-order pricing, even if you placed the order at the higher price, as the customer you still end up paying the lower price upon release. So, the change affects ALL pre-orders, no matter when they were placed.

So, they are in a pinch. Either break the terms of the contract with Scalzi and print only what you think you can actually sell, or go all-in with the assumption of a scenario that is insanely unlikely, namely that they can actually sell hundreds of thousands of books. Which scenario, if it DOESN'T realize, leads to massive losses.

Blogger Mark Jeffery March 07, 2017 2:27 AM  

*Yawn* I'm buying both of them. I hope I enjoy both of them. Scalzi is Goldstein, E. has moved from beyond boring to pathetic.

Blogger Calven March 07, 2017 2:38 AM  

Mmmmm. Candy.

Blogger weka March 07, 2017 2:44 AM  

Added to the list. I read the first three chapters of Scalzi. Not added to the list.

Blogger Resident Moron™ March 07, 2017 3:06 AM  

Thanks Markku and #6306

I figured something like what I suggested wouldn't move enough books to teally help or hurt them but might provide some fun, and fun optics, for the VFM.

I could gab/tweet a gif of a pile of burning scalzis every day for ... well, I might never tire of it.

The way I understand Markku's explanation is that Tor will have already decided whether to screw themselves by the time the books available, so we'd only help them by buying, even if only to reduce their loss by a little.

But as above, Castalia still considers it good business to sell via Amazon, even at lower margins, because rankings and purchaser reviews.

Not wed to the idea, just find it amusing to contemplate.

Anonymous Chuckles March 07, 2017 3:20 AM  

Twilight does well, Fifty Shades does well.

Scalzi does well, Paradalzi does well.

Neat!

Blogger Markku March 07, 2017 3:38 AM  

They have no option than to take the risk, because we know what Scalzi's contract says. It explicitly lays out how many units have to be printed at minimum. So, obviously you print them all in one print run, because the unit cost is the lowest that way. We on the other hand have the freedom to try to guess how much a book will sell, and hence determine if print-on-demand or massive offset printing run makes more sense. They have not, due to the contract. The only alternative open to them is the one with huge risk upon failure.

So, technically they don't sell any books at a loss because the only other alternative for the already printed book would be to pulp the book. Any sold book is revenue. But with that unit price, it is ridiculously unlikely to make the project profitable, and reasonably likely to make it stunningly unprofitable.

Blogger Markku March 07, 2017 3:47 AM  

I can only read dropping the unit price DURING PRE-RELEASE! to less than half what you started with, one way: They have already calculated from the lackluster pre-orders that they'll never turn a profit with this book. The original price was probably what they calculated as necessary for profit, for this particular print run size. When the realized pre-orders turned out to be a fraction of what is adequate demand, they realized that they'll just have to give up on turning a profit and at least avoid total loss of face that would have been the result of having to pulp the overwhelming majority of the books quickly after release. So, now they're mostly concerned with avoiding that, and already resigned to taking a big loss in terms of money.

Blogger Shimshon March 07, 2017 4:04 AM  

Looks like Scalzi is about to join Hillary in the loser's circle. Please claim your participation prize, Johnny. You're good at self promotion. Perhaps a bright future as a used car salesman beckons.

Blogger Markku March 07, 2017 4:06 AM  

Heh, no. Remember, Scalzi already laughed all the way to the bank with his advance money. Now, Scalzi is a fun whipping boy, but in the grand scheme of things he doesn't matter. I want to destroy Tor.

Blogger Shimshon March 07, 2017 4:10 AM  

@83 For this book, Markku. Vox has predicted that Tor will drop him soon enough. If this book is a big stinker, he might get one more chance. That $3M is no longer looking like a sure thing. Tor Delenda Est is indeed the goal.

Blogger Markku March 07, 2017 4:22 AM  

I'm not entirely sure they will. It is extremely valuable for a publisher's brand to have books in those premium locations in bookstores, and John Scalzi is the only recognizable Science Fiction author they have. What else can they put there in Sci-Fi section? They just might make the calculation that it's worth it to continue taking a loss just for that privilege. These kind of books are penny trading for them, really. What they are REALLY after, is making sure that they get the next Harry Potter, Fifty Shades or Twilight. THAT'S what makes the profits. Everything else is just circus, to maintain the brand and position themselves for getting that book, over their competitors.

Blogger Markku March 07, 2017 4:27 AM  

You and me are thinking about turning a profit when we do business. If we don't turn a profit, we view it as a defeat and resolve to do better next time. Real tycoons don't think that way. They'd view that sort of thinking as awfully bourgeois.

Blogger Shimshon March 07, 2017 4:31 AM  

Makes sense. Still, Scalzi's prose (does it even deserve to be called that?) is cringe-inducing. That's the best Tor can do for promo copy?

Anonymous Chuckles! March 07, 2017 4:31 AM  

You and me are thinking about turning a profit when we do business. If we don't turn a profit, we view it as a defeat and resolve to do better next time. Real tycoons don't think that way. They'd view that sort of thinking as awfully bourgeois.

NOTED!

Blogger Markku March 07, 2017 4:56 AM  

Think of it like a building with a massive foundation that is susceptible to corrosion. Any new area of corrosion is probably not going to be the one to bring it down, but the reason it will eventually come down is still corrosion. SOMETHING is going to be the last straw, and you'll never know which until it happens.

Blogger pdwalker March 07, 2017 7:51 AM  

VD: Your diabolical evilness knows no bounds. This is a joke, so vile, so ugly, so cruel that it has turned around and become a thing of incredible beauty.

Blogger Basil Makedon March 07, 2017 8:57 AM  

I'm buying it for the keks -- I may even read it.

Anonymous fop March 07, 2017 10:19 AM  

Bahahahaha!

The bitch-slap heard around the world!

Blogger Bear Brubaker March 07, 2017 12:05 PM  

As much fun as it is to bitch slap poor McRapey, I do hope most of the people here understand that the pre-order pricing for books on Amazon is controlled by Amazon, not by publisher Tor. The deep discounting you see is all Amazon willing to take less profit to sell more books, not an attempt by the publisher to bulk up the pre-orders for a failing title.

The book will live or die on it's own -- and it will probably underperform and at some point Tor will start to seriously reconsider their 11-book deal with Scalzi because he is constantly late, spends all his time on his blog and twitter and none of his time writing and his fiction is crap.

But, Amazon discounts isn't a sign of anything except Amazon discounts.

Blogger JAU March 07, 2017 3:24 PM  

What does a ~100 spot difference in amazon rankings equate to in volume? Is Corroded empire selling roughly twice as many copies? An order of magnitude more copies?

Blogger VD March 07, 2017 9:52 PM  

I do hope most of the people here understand that the pre-order pricing for books on Amazon is controlled by Amazon, not by publisher Tor.

That's not true. Note that it's also marked down to $15 on Barnes & Noble.

Anonymous Deplorable Winning March 08, 2017 12:54 AM  

Markku wrote:Remember, Scalzi already laughed all the way to the bank with his advance money. Now, Scalzi is a fun whipping boy, but in the grand scheme of things he doesn't matter. I want to destroy Tor.

That might not happen. Scalzi can now help Tor out in their time of need. Wouldn't it be the right thing to do, the honorable thing, for him to return the advance to Tor? He made a promise that he wasn't able to deliver on.

Anonymous RabidRatel March 08, 2017 1:46 AM  

Deplorable Winning wrote:Wouldn't it be the right thing to do, the honorable thing,

What part of Gamma don't you understand?

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