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Tuesday, March 21, 2017

Another hapless attack

The strength of the Alt-Right political philosophy can readily be seen in the utterly inept attempts to critique and discredit it. Fred Reed foolishly attempts to have a go:
Something called the Alt-Right that believes the white race to be superior and wants to rid the country of of encroaching dark scum. The Human Biodiversity movement, HBD, more scientific and less surly but picking whites while conceding that yellow are smarter. Finally IQists, who believe that IQ is a reliable measure of genetic intelligence. They too put yellows as more intelligent.

The Alt-Right believes that the whites are innately–i.e., genetically–superior to all other races, that they have dominated the world through higher intelligence, and that their mastery is the result of Darwinian selection. Whites, they say, have a marvelous track record of achievement, and they don’t want to dilute it by intermarriage.

They have a point. It is not thought politic in today’s racial climate to notice the obvious, that white Europeans have been far and away the most successful race yet. (The “yet” is important.) No other has even come close. Various peoples have learned to use the products of European civilization–the Japanese, Latin Americans, Thais, etc. at length–but have not engendered it. Look around you and see whether you can find anything that was not invented by European whites (other than paper and gunpowder).

But:

International Physics Olympiad. Internationally, top four contestants were Chinese, Chinese, Korean, Korean, with eleven of the top fifteen being east Asian. The US first appeared in sixteenth place. The American team: Jason Lu,  Srijon Mukherjee, Vincent Liu,  Abijith Krishnan,  Jimmy Qi. Less than six percent of America is Asian. International Physics Olympiad. Internationally, top four contestants were Chinese, Chinese, Korean, Korean, with eleven of the top fifteen being east Asian. The US first appeared in sixteenth place. The American team: Jason Lu, Srijon Mukherjee, Vincent Liu, Abijith Krishnan, Jimmy Qi. Less than six percent of America is Asian.

Many in HBD concede that north Asians, specifically, the Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans are more intelligent than white Europeans. While many outside of HBD (including me) doubt the reliability of IQ tests as measures of intelligence, the HBD people do not. They often assert that observation supports their view–that achievements of both individuals and peoples track IQ, that high achievement is therefore evidence of high IQ.

It would then seem to be Asians, not whites, who are wildly over represented in intellectual achievement. Races other than white and yellow races are not even in the running.

Although Asians comprise only 13 percent of California’s population, three-fifths of the state’s National Merit Scholarship Semifinalists have Asian last names. (Good article on this: Taki’s Magazine) These Semifinalists are in the top .5% in intelligence, or one in two hundred. The Asian kids outnumber the whites by more than four to one.

Psychometricians, who are neither the highly politicized IQists nor racist peddlers of Hitlerian pseudoscience, but very careful statisticians, put Chinese IQ at above 105, white at 100. This is not a trivial difference, and has serious consequences at the high end of the distribution.

China rises with astonishing speed. Alt-Righters are thus caught in a trap: Their arguments for the superiority of whites to blacks and Latinos equally show the superiority of Asians to whites. Anyway, if their conclusions are correct, the Chinese will be well advised not to intermarry with whites and thereby lower their mental capacity. I presume that HBDists will sympathize with this attitude as they too want to protect their genetic purity.
The errors in Fred's critique are entirely obvious:

  • The Alt-Right does not believe the white race to be intrinsically superior. It believes that each nation finds its own race and culture to be self-preferable, including the various white nations. That being said, the fact that so many diverse population groups observably prefer white cultures and societies to their own does tend to indicate the objective superiority of those cultures and societies.
  • The Alt-Right does not believe that whites "have dominated the world through higher intelligence, and that their mastery is the result of Darwinian selection" for the obvious reason that the Alt-Right knows that a) there is a wide range of intelligence between the white nations, b) the most dominant white nations have not always been the most intelligent white nations, c) national intelligence is far more likely to be the result of various non-Darwinian selection processes such as sex selection and social class distinctions, and d) the white race is not the most intelligent. Unlike Fred, the Alt-Right understands that both average intelligence and the maximum elite intelligence are merely factors in the success of a society, factors that are heavily influenced by other cultural and genetic elements, such as Christianity, time expectations, and in-group trust.
  • Fred relies upon a measure of intelligence in which he does not believe as the basis for his strawman argument. This is doubly dishonest.
  • Intellectual aptitude is not intellectual achievement. Fred is confusing the two. I am a National Merit Scholarship Finalist; that is an indicator of my intellectual aptitude. SJWAL and AODAL are intellectual achievements.
  • There is no trap. First, the Alt-Right points to both white intellectual aptitude and intellectual achievement in distinguishing the white nations from other nations. Second, the Alt-Right case is not made on the basis of that aptitude and achievement, but upon the right of whites to exercise that aptitude and achievement on their own behalf and in their own interests. 
As so often happens, the argument for the Alt-Right is only strengthened by comparison with the feeble and dishonest nature of the arguments being made against it. The more they refuse to understand our case, or correctly characterize it, the more appeal it will hold for those who consider it honestly.

The old Fred would be embarrassed by the inept arguments he is offering here. I shut down my WND column when I felt that I was starting to phone it in. So, if my own ability to present coherent arguments similarly deteriorates with age, for the love of all that is beautiful and true, don't hesitate to encourage me to hang up my pen and devote myself to fiction and philosophical contemplation.

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175 Comments:

Anonymous Avalanche March 21, 2017 8:38 AM  

The older Fred has gotten, the ... 'squishier' he has gotten. I think living (in a GOOD area) in Mexico, and spending time with select Mexicans (i.e., he's NOT downtown in Mexico City) has drawn him to make conclusions on the the basis of his anecdotal -- and VERY singular -- experiences. And his Mexican wife and her relatives both contribute to the "we're all like this" -- and, no doubt, they also contribute to "stop insulting my family ("race")!"

(Not so long ago) He wrote some essay lauding *a* smart Mexican girl he knows. And, 'therefore, Americans should quit being anti-Mexican.' That's when I quit reading him. Losing his way in his dotage?

Blogger Hunsdon March 21, 2017 8:41 AM  

The thing is, I think Fred's still a good and clever writer . . . when he's not defending the honor of Milady Mestiza. When he is defending said aforementioned honor, he becomes notably less effective. Maybe his brain just won't let his heart tell the lies it wants to?

What makes it even more remarkable is that Fred is also hosted by Ron Unz, and presumably he's read actual articles by the Alt-Right, HBDers and Steve Sailer (Sailer:HBD as Gibson:cyberspace).

Blogger JACIII March 21, 2017 8:46 AM  

The subtext of the lefts arguments against the nationalist nature of the alt-right boils down to this:

"You guys are going to make and have some cool shit. We want some of it."

The rest is just hand waving to get there.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 21, 2017 8:50 AM  

Not the dreaded "White sooooooopremacy" argument again? All is lost, open them borders, bask in your guilt, become the progressive Jesus figure you have dreamed about.

Do give credit to Fred for one thing, he only used one "ist" in the whole piece, a progtard intellectual would have littered it with isms, ists and phobias.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 21, 2017 8:51 AM  

There is plenty of great real estate on this planet, but only so many white people to enslave, now feel sorry for the little colored people who do not have white slaves.

Are we living in a backward half assed Hindu prophecy?

Blogger Salt March 21, 2017 8:54 AM  

Although Asians comprise only 13 percent of California’s population, three-fifths of the state’s National Merit Scholarship Semifinalists have Asian last names.

No one is disputing the Asian brainpower. Regardless, that's about 13% to much. Whose country is this anyway? The other question is, if their so damn smart why are they here? Smarts like theirs should have built Utopia by now, wouldn't you think?


Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) March 21, 2017 8:56 AM  

Fred relies upon a measure of intelligence in which he does not believe as the basis for his strawman argument. This is doubly dishonest.

Fred admits to using IQ because the HBD group believes in IQ:

While many outside of HBD (including me) doubt the reliability of IQ tests as measures of intelligence, the HBD people do not. They often assert that observation supports their view–that achievements of both individuals and peoples track IQ, that high achievement is therefore evidence of high IQ.

As I suspect HBDists would agree, since we are using their standards of judgement we begin to see replacement of a dominant race by a superior race.


He's using IQ as the measure because his opponent (s) use IQ. I don't think it's any different than an Austrian using GDP in a debate against a Keynesian.

Blogger Joe Doakes March 21, 2017 8:56 AM  

It can't just be whiteness. Consider the stereotypes (which must have some basis in fact or they wouldn't be efficient): Scots are White and industrious inventors. Irish are White and lackadaisical poets. English are White shopkeepers and bureaucrats.

Asians are, on average, smarter, but if their culture is based on kowtowing to authority instead of eccentric individualism, they will be clever imitators but stifle their own innovation and their science will stagnate.

That may be changing now as the Asian culture changes, but how much and for how long?

Blogger hadley March 21, 2017 8:57 AM  

Sad. I wish Fred would go full "whither thou goest" and get Mexican citizenship.

Mexicans will always see him as a gringo, of course, but at least he could officially join his new tribe and be their champion.

Anonymous Jeff March 21, 2017 9:00 AM  

Unfortunately, many writers view the Alt Right through the eyes of people like Richard Spencer rather than Vox Day. Even Cernovich makes this mistake.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) March 21, 2017 9:02 AM  

Also, it's not like Fred supports the invasion of America:

America, already substantially African, has opened the floodgates to Latin America and simultaneously imports people from a variety of underperforming societies. Why they underperform can be debated; that they do so cannot. Exactly why America does this is not clear. Races and nations have often been overrun and absorbed by others, but white Americans are to my knowledge the only ones to deliberately submerge themselves racially.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) March 21, 2017 9:04 AM  

And finally, Fred on Europe:

At the same time Europe deliberately and without need imports huge numbers of people of incompatible and unsuccessful stock, various Muslims and Africans, with disastrous consequences. Meanwhile the white world seems exhausted, the American Empire in decline, with corruption, lack of will, sorry universities, and poor government taking a lethal toll.

Blogger SteelPalm March 21, 2017 9:06 AM  

I have a unique perspective here, being friends with or attending the same undergrad as a number of silver and gold medalists at the International Physics and International Math Olympiads. (White and Asian) And I was a National Merit Semi-Finalist/Finalist, although that wasn't considered an achievement in our circle.

1. Naturally, genetically, I think whites are SMARTER than Asians. I'm extremely suspicious of IQ studies that claim otherwise and believe they may have been gamed.

2. However, Asians study much, much harder than whites do. And from an early age. This was even occasionally observable at the extreme outlier, IPO/IMO level.

3. If Asians were as smart as whites, I fully believe they would make up 90% of the world's scientists and mathematicians. And China would rule the world. Seriously.

But this does highlight why white nationalism/omni-nationalism beats out white supremacy. As Vox points out, and I fully agree, every race has its strengths and weaknesses.

Blogger FUCK GOOGLE March 21, 2017 9:08 AM  

@11

What is this "deliberately" he's talking about? We never voted on flooding our country with 3rd world colonists. It was forced upon us. Most people are constantly brainwashed with a constant flow of "DIEVERSITY GOOOOOOOD, BROWN PEOPLE GOOD, WHITE PEOPLE BAAAAAD" bullshit from cradle to grave. And for those who question or even reject the diversity postulate, they are threatened with social opprobrium, financial and occupational ruin.

Yeah, some "deliberate" choice we've made here.

Blogger LibertyPortraits March 21, 2017 9:09 AM  

I still don't see why memorizing STEM subjects in grade school is worshipped. I believe entrepreneurship is superior.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) March 21, 2017 9:12 AM  

What is this "deliberately" he's talking about?

I would assume the 1965 immigration law, the 1986 amnesty law, and the 30 year ongoing refusal to enforce existing immigration law.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) March 21, 2017 9:13 AM  


I still don't see why memorizing STEM subjects in grade school is worshipped. I believe entrepreneurship is superior.


The entrepreneurs have to build something. That's where STEM comes in.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 21, 2017 9:13 AM  

I don't get why "white guilt" is not laughed at at the very least, but then again we are all refugees from conservatism that hapless venture of trying to square the circle of virtuous classical liberalism.

Maybe we could start an AA for white guilt.

Blogger Cail Corishev March 21, 2017 9:15 AM  

Fred is too smart and knows too much to think that's an honest description of the Alt-Right. That's disappointing to read, as a fan of his work.

I've enjoyed a lot of Fred's writing over the years. The main impression I get from him since the ascension of Trump and the emergence of nationalism is that he's become enamored of an image of himself as the Only Woke Man in a world of doomed idiots. As long as both sides sucked, he could watch the decline from poolside (to quote Roissy) and look smart making fun of everyone involved. But if someone actually tries to stop the decline and MAGA -- if, dare I say, there are good guys and bad guys in any sense -- that spoils his view.

Anonymous Blackjack Pershing March 21, 2017 9:16 AM  

From Fred's March 10th, 2016 column "LA Notes, Latinos, Rockets, and...Ava!"

("We saw Cici, I will call her, a high-school classmate of Violeta. Now a citizen, at age eighteen she entered the US illegally along with about twenty young men (men being the criminal sex, young the criminal age) in harrowing fashion. She managed to get a job in a shoe factory, rose to be supervisor, dropped out to get married and make two babies, then got on as kitchen staff at a school and, taking English classes at night, and rose to be head of food management. Very middle class. Worse things have happened.
Over lunch I asked her whether there was friction between white and brown. “No.” )

When I read that column, and that passage, my first thought was, " I notice he didn't ask the American she replaced the same question."

That was when I knew Fred had gone from reasoning to special pleading.

Anonymous Bob Ramar March 21, 2017 9:16 AM  

Fred grew up in pre-integration Dixie; served in the Marines in the Vietnam era (the most integrated of the services at the time), worked as a reported in DC afterwards, and now lives incognito in Mexico with a Latina to whom he may (or may not) be married. 'White Supremacy' is something he has been programed against for a very long time. It can be hard to distinguish between the ideas of 'white supremacy' (genetically or intellectually speaking) vs 'white' (or more properly) or Western culture. They are not the same thing. The source of his opinions and why he thinks the way he does is understandable. A lot of white southerners are programmed to think this way (which is why Obama got elected twice). Obama's presidency I think woke up a bunch of these folks to the fact that maybe there is a flaw in their thinking between how they thought the world worked vs the actual results when their ideas were applied. Kind of like what happened in Africa as the European nations left their colonies. Cities like Nairobi, which used to be comparable to most any European city is now a giant slum without a functional utility or transportation system. The cities of South Africa will be in the same shape in twenty year's time.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) March 21, 2017 9:17 AM  

A lot of white southerners are programmed to think this way (which is why Obama got elected twice).

That is complete bullshit

Anonymous Looking Glass March 21, 2017 9:18 AM  

There's a lot of cultural effects that coming into play when it comes to IQ and achievement. The Tiger Mom effect is quite real in Asian groups inside the USA. Notice there is a much greater advancement for them when they're inside the USA than outside? That's down to the expectations within the education system. (Asian systems are really just massive Study/Regurgitate/Forget Systems.)

I also know I saw a study that the White vs Asian outcome difference is wholly down to studying. (Well, forced studying.) The Western Systems have been corrupted to the point that they try to make the Top & Bottom into the Middle. Only away around that is to leave the system or forcibly push through it.

Also, we're seeing the last stages of the 1980s/1990s trends to medicating young boys. They've run out a huge swath of the really competent Men by drugging them up, wasting years of their lives. Along with active suppression of boys from achieving. We paid to screw the society's advancement over to make middle aged Women feel better about their daughter's inability to excel at Mathematics.

One other point that doesn't come up enough in this type of situation. There's an Tropics vs Cold Weather aspect to most of this. Tropical cultures are almost always far less industrious than Cold Weather ones. Partially down to self-selection effects, but there's also the reality that Cold Weather cultures simply have a higher metabolism than Tropics cultures. Higher Metabolism produces more energy to the nervous system, which allows for far more use of brain for extended periods. (Biomechanics really does dictate a whole lot.)

Blogger B.J. March 21, 2017 9:19 AM  

Asians have a thousand years of test-taking aptitude (mandarin system), it hasn't always translated into economic or industrial aptitude. It taught them to cheat a lot.

Anonymous WeAreTheWest March 21, 2017 9:24 AM  

Although Asians comprise only 13 percent of California’s population, three-fifths of the state’s National Merit Scholarship Semifinalists have Asian last names.

Wouldn’t it be funny if American scholarships were reserved for Americans? TH2GB.

Blogger SmockMan March 21, 2017 9:29 AM  

Fred's 'argument', much like others discussing the alt-right, is to start with a strawperson. Then devote the rest of the post to taking your own strawperson argument seriously.

Blogger Bill March 21, 2017 9:31 AM  

I thought Fred's actual conclusion was right out of some Alt-Rightist's keyboard;
A skeptic might note that the phenomenal achievement of the Asians belonged until recently to Jews, whose genetically immutable IQ seems to have fallen precipitately while the genetically immutable IQ of the Asians has risen in an huge genetic shift without benefit of selective pressure. But let’s not ruin a good story by thinking about it.

Cultures come and go. Cultures can change. Why would we pick invasion and war to initiate change?

Blogger Student in Blue March 21, 2017 9:31 AM  

If my own ability to present arguments similarly deteriorates, for the love of all that is beautiful and true, tell me to hang up my pen and stick to fiction.

Sure thing, Mr. Martin.

Anonymous Grayman March 21, 2017 9:31 AM  

Strong borders are critical for everyone in the west or we will be completely overrun. Look at the growth rates:

http://www.visualcapitalist.com/map-population-density/

The pressure for those hordes to move into the west at all cost is huge, as being "poor" in the west is still orders of magnitude better than being even in the median of the majority of these rapidly growing areas. Those growth rates are stunning and terrifying.

If anyone has a good background or source, I am curious what the difference is with Russia not being inundated. Is it just that they enforce their borders, lack the welfare systems, Russian politicians not buying the globalist crap,or some other combination of factors?

Blogger Jon Merrill March 21, 2017 9:32 AM  

"Unfortunately, many writers view the Alt Right through the eyes of people like Richard Spencer rather than Vox Day." Yes! There's the rub. See recent Spencer anti-pro-life video in which he proclaims apodictically "what the Alt-Right IS." If Reed goes by Spencer's definition of the Alt-Right -- and why shouldn't he? -- then his case against the Alt-Right is much stronger.

Anonymous craig March 21, 2017 9:33 AM  

"A lot of white southerners are programmed to think this way (which is why Obama got elected twice)."

A lot of white Americans are programmed to think this way. Whatever white southerners are taught, any look at the electoral vote maps from 2008 and 2012 will show that it wasn't the South putting Obama in office twice.

Blogger Silly But True March 21, 2017 9:34 AM  

Fred was not being intellectually honest with hia definition of the Alt-right. His entire thesis is then ill-applied to actual Alt-right based on strawmen. But he's already aware of this.

"Asian last names..."

While it is (relatively) common sense on the whole, this one opens the door to all manner of kek.

Does Fred recognize Vox Day as being Native American? Does Fred believe names are accurate reflection of genetics or IQ or metrics of either?

If Ladontia Latrella Washington chose to name her 8th son Xi Qui Lu instead of Adonnis Jamarcus Aubuka, does Fred think that kid will be acing the International Physics Olympiad?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) March 21, 2017 9:34 AM  

If anyone has a good background or source, I am curious what the difference is with Russia not being inundated. Is it just that they enforce their borders, lack the welfare systems, Russian politicians not buying the globalist crap,or some other combination of factors?

Border control combined with geographic insulation. It's harder to get to Russia from Africa.

Blogger Koanic March 21, 2017 9:38 AM  

These two gentlemen resemble a supply and demand plot,
whether one measures their genetic or media trajectory over time.

Blogger Some Dude March 21, 2017 9:38 AM  

Very good. I would add HBD addresses personality, clanishness, testosterone, autist-schizo, different types of intelligence.

Making HBD an IQ only pursuit suits these semanticists.

Human BioDiversity is more than just suduku problem solving. Otherwise, East Asia would never have lost the lead.

Anonymous Jeff March 21, 2017 9:38 AM  

"only" 13 percent Asian population.

Has it not been established that anything over 5 percent leads to trouble?

The local radio station is currently doing a series on school violence, namely kids threatening and physically abusing teachers. They listed a number of possible causes for the increased violence. Of course, nobody mentioned the elephant in the room because "diversity our strengh".

Blogger Some Dude March 21, 2017 9:41 AM  

Nice catch on the exaggeration of the conspiracy claims.

I was a bit unsure about its truth before. The way (((they))) have reacted makes it certain there was a paedophile ring.

The actor from IMDB shooting up the place and presumably fliping burgers right now in Montana is comical.

Its very weird how a 4chan conspiracy theory read by about 100k people in a 300m country got full national press coverage and 'debunkings'.

Very odd.I'm glad Mossad confirmed it to us anyway. Its pretty evil stuff.

Blogger Some Dude March 21, 2017 9:42 AM  

Also check out the Wiki entry on Comet Pizza. A Pizza shop with a 1000 word profile is very strange.

Notice the passive aggressive denials of facets of the theory - the ranking of the manager as a top power broker because of 'cultural significance'......hahahahahahah they are so evil and decripit.

Anonymous Grayman March 21, 2017 9:42 AM  

@27 Bill

Cultures come and go. Cultures can change. Why would we pick invasion and war to initiate change?

"we" did not, the gobalist elite did. Intact cohesive cultures are not easily controlled or manipulated into self-destructive behavior that is require by globalisim. For the globalist elites its a win-win. They break up intact cohesive cultures as they simultaneously make unimaginable sums of money by leveraging the the cultures against one another.
"They" have set the rules of the game as submit to cultural extinction or fight. And the fight option will be winner take all.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) March 21, 2017 9:44 AM  

Has it not been established that anything over 5 percent leads to trouble?

Over 5% of Asians or minorities?

Blogger Silly But True March 21, 2017 9:46 AM  

"Its very weird how a 4chan conspiracy theory read by about 100k people in a 300m country..."

To be fair, about 57m of that 300m are too young to be logging in to 4chan and reading internet message boards.

But then that's also the key group where unfortunately a percentage also is aware of it through more direct means.

Anonymous Jeff March 21, 2017 9:46 AM  

Josh, sorry. That should be minorities in general. Don't mean to pick on the Asians!

Blogger SteelPalm March 21, 2017 9:46 AM  

@29

If anyone has a good background or source, I am curious what the difference is with Russia not being inundated. Is it just that they enforce their borders, lack the welfare systems, Russian politicians not buying the globalist crap,or some other combination of factors?

Things are not nearly as idyllic in Russia as some in the West believe.

Demographically, white Russians are 81% of the country...not great. And while estimates differ, Muslims are anywhere from 5-10% of the population. (Note that France, which is besieged by them, has a 7-9% Muslim population)

Muslims in Russia also have their own territory/societies carved out, mostly in the Eastern/steppe region, but encroaching in some of the big cities, too.

There is also a huge problem with Muslim terrorism/street violence. Even when for MMA legend Fedor Emelianenko's daughter, when he dared to criticize a Muslim;

https://www.rt.com/news/362689-emelianenko-mma-daughter-attacked/

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) March 21, 2017 9:47 AM  

Josh, sorry. That should be minorities in general. Don't mean to pick on the Asians!

America has never had less than 10% minorities, let alone 5%.

Blogger Beowulf the Geat March 21, 2017 9:47 AM  

That was indeed a trainwreck of an argument. Ironically, if Fred Reed thinks attacking the Alt-Right will win him kudos with the left, four words "They have a point," would earn him a SJW lynching.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 21, 2017 9:52 AM  

"The Alt-Right does not believe the white race to be intrinsically superior. It believes that each nation finds its own race and culture to be self-preferable, including the various white nations."

Yeah, the whole "muh White supreeemism!" thing is a straw man/ diversion. If you want to live with your own family rather than strangers, are you guilty of familyism? Strangerphobia? Relative supremacism? Is it a transgression against the values of the progressive cult to harbor some kind of belief that your own kids are "better" (more valuable to you) than some stranger's kids, whether or not those strangers get higher SAT scores, or can run faster, or whatever "objective" measure one might choose?

It's not wrong to believe that your own family is better, or your hometown, or your own race. It's healthy. But it's irrelevant. What matters is that "diversity" is being forced on people who don't want it, and that diversity + proximity = war.

Blogger Student in Blue March 21, 2017 9:52 AM  

@40. Josh
Over 5% of Asians or minorities?

It's probably more accurate to say that anything over 5% leads to self-segregation and assimilation becomes very difficult.

Anonymous Grayman March 21, 2017 9:55 AM  

Another question, I have seen many of the studies on the physiological differences between whites, asians, and blacks, from brain size to skeletal structures to social trends such as academic achievement and crime rates. I have not seen the equivalent to include "latinos" (Mexican / South American) or Indian (as in India, not Native American) populations, is that info floating around somewhere or has it not really been expanded to those groups?

Blogger Gaiseric March 21, 2017 9:56 AM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) wrote:Josh, sorry. That should be minorities in general. Don't mean to pick on the Asians!

America has never had less than 10% minorities, let alone 5%.

Yes, and it's always been a problem, hasn't it?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) March 21, 2017 9:57 AM  

It's probably more accurate to say that anything over 5% leads to self-segregation and assimilation becomes very difficult.

Based on history, that's not accurate

Anonymous trogs March 21, 2017 9:58 AM  

Fred is another sad demonstration that it's very difficult to marry outside your ingroup, and yet remain loyal to it.

There are an endless number of stories such as he, and not just in the Alt-Right, or in Western Civ. Some do better than him, but many do not..

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) March 21, 2017 9:59 AM  

Yes, and it's always been a problem, hasn't it?

Only if you define always as the last half century

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 21, 2017 9:59 AM  

@Josh

"Border control combined with geographic insulation."

Even the COMMUNIST party in Russia is opposed to Third World immigration/ "refugees."

Anonymous Jeff March 21, 2017 10:00 AM  

Josh, 5% of any one specific minority group.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus March 21, 2017 10:00 AM  

What I don't get is this oddly and specifically insistent argument that "white survival" equals "white supremacy." It's so non-sequitur, unless they're somehow making the implied argument that whites are so superior that their continued existence itself would ensure white dominion (which I doubt is what they're angling for).

Blogger Student in Blue March 21, 2017 10:01 AM  

Based on history, that's not accurate

The self-segregation, the assimilation being difficult, or both?

Blogger FUCK GOOGLE March 21, 2017 10:02 AM  

@23
Re: Tropics vs Cold weather peoples
Cold Weather peoples have to be more industrious so they can prepare adequately to survive the lean winter that Tropics peoples don't have to worry about. It's straight up natural selection: people too low IQ/with too little foresight starve during the winter and only the people who can successfully plan for the future survive.

Adversity is opportunity and all that.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer March 21, 2017 10:03 AM  

Jeff wrote:"only" 13 percent Asian population.

Has it not been established that anything over 5 percent leads to trouble?

The local radio station is currently doing a series on school violence, namely kids threatening and physically abusing teachers. They listed a number of possible causes for the increased violence. Of course, nobody mentioned the elephant in the room because "diversity our strengh".


Diversity is such a strength that simply displaying the American flag at a highschool game can cause a riot.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 21, 2017 10:04 AM  

@Josh

"Only if you define always as the last half century"

In other words, since the end of segregation. Hmm...

Anonymous kfg March 21, 2017 10:04 AM  

"Over 5% of Asians or minorities?"

Over 5% of Islam. At 10% it's do or die.

Not to say that for other minorities, especially aggressive invader minorities, the figure isn't different, but it will vary. It is specifically Islam that has had 5% identified as a flash point, and 10% means war.

This holds for divisions smaller than a country. See the No Go Zones in European cities, some of which are going over the 5% mark and could be turned into No Go Cities. Islamic city states.

Blogger Gaiseric March 21, 2017 10:07 AM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) wrote:Yes, and it's always been a problem, hasn't it?

Only if you define always as the last half century

Don't be absurd. The various Indian Wars weren't a problem? The Civil War wasn't a problem? The Texas Revolution?

You say a lot of dumb things in your attempt to throw "pithy" devil's advocate one-liners out there, but this one requires that you completely IGNORE all of American history prior to the last half century to even propose in the first place.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) March 21, 2017 10:08 AM  

In other words, since the end of segregation. Hmm...

And the great society, collapse of the black family, and Hispanic invasions.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 21, 2017 10:10 AM  

@Titus Quinctius Cincinnati

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.

These people hate you and want to see you destroyed. Therefore any White who is not actively self-hating is an enemy, and certainly anyone who is pro-White. Whether or not you dislike other races, or feel you are somehow "superior" to them, is irrelevant. It's just a rhetorical technique to try to guilt you.

http://whitakeronline.org/bobsmantra.htm

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) March 21, 2017 10:15 AM  

Don't be absurd. The various Indian Wars weren't a problem? The Civil War wasn't a problem? The Texas Revolution?

You say a lot of dumb things in your attempt to throw "pithy" devil's advocate one-liners out there, but this one requires that you completely IGNORE all of American history prior to the last half century to even propose in the first place.


Your mythical 5% minority America has never existed. Period.

Anonymous Rodrigo Duterte March 21, 2017 10:15 AM  

I can't help but notice the distinct lack of (official) pressure to inculcate young Asian kids with the poz. Nobody is bitching about Chinatown being "too yellow", either.

I wonder how much of the decline in the white portion of academic achievement is due to the forced integration of a group that requires continual lowering of standards just to avoid people pointing and laughing...

Meanwhile, tigermom is free to do things to her kids that would make Molyneux stroke out, to ensure studies are scrupulously observed. Secure in the knowledge that no one in her ethnic enclave is going to disapprove, because they all do it too.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 21, 2017 10:15 AM  

@Josh

"And the great society, collapse of the black family, and Hispanic invasions."

So relatively small, stable amounts of "diversity" can be managed, but only with strictly enforced rules, and relaxing those rules, or increasing the level of "diversity" beyond a certain point, leads to disaster? Sounds about right.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 21, 2017 10:16 AM  

On this one, Fred dipped his quill into a dried inkwell.

To me, it was unreadable, totally unlike his normal writings. Culture is an expression of intelligence. The Asian may be very intelligent but their cultures puts a higher value in conformity. The reason some of them are technologically advanced today is because the West have given them, or they have stolen, the technology. Whatever they achieve will be to the degree they adopt Western ideas and methods.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 21, 2017 10:17 AM  

Are not the Asians not the most racist bunch in the globe?

Blogger red clock March 21, 2017 10:18 AM  

To Fred:

a. Whites do not have to be the ABSOLUTE BEST at everything to justify their separate survival and enforcement of national borders. They're good enough compared to the rest of the world. White survival (which is endangered) does not require unquestionable superiority in everything over every race. That is a straw-man.

b. Intelligence isn't the only important metric. This isn't said enough, but it should be: BEAUTY MATTERS. Physical appearance matters. Whites have high IQs but no one (esp. East asians) even comes close to them w. regard to physical appearance. The skin tone, the height, distinct facial features, multi-colored eyes and hair. Such beauty should be cherished, preserved and spread, even if you're not white.

c. I could list all sorts of flaws in white people also. It still doesn't mean they don't have a right to exist in their own nations, as globalists argue.

No matter who you are, the truth is that European genes and civilization represent some of the best of humanity. Replacing it with primitive Islamo-African dystopia is evil.

Blogger Cail Corishev March 21, 2017 10:19 AM  

"we" did not, the gobalist elite did.

That's true, but even if it weren't, and "Americans" had decided to throw away their country -- aren't we allowed to wise up and change our minds?

Using, "You Americans brought this on yourselves," in a pro-immigration argument boils down to, "Hey, we foreigners liked it when America was giving away the store; no fair changing your minds and defending your national interests again!"

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 21, 2017 10:19 AM  

Fuck white guilt, and I don't need to read an essay to come to that conclusion.

Blogger Mountain Man March 21, 2017 10:21 AM  

@51

I have a brother who married an hispanic woman. He is honest enough to admit that it poses its own set of challenges. He is also able to admit that her culture and home country is messed up due to the lack of foresight and high time preference - prevalent among the natives.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 21, 2017 10:24 AM  

Whites already have racial representation so having racial representation is perfectly legitimate, we just need to delegitimize the current set of clowns and their white guilt BS and put in place better white leadership.

For example impeach Fred Reed and put in someone better more future oriented and less melancholic and prone to nihilism as Fred is these days.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 21, 2017 10:24 AM  

@Titus Quinctius Cincinnati

"unless they're somehow making the implied argument that whites are so superior that their continued existence itself would ensure white dominion"

Actually, the implicit (and these days often explicit, at least within academia) argument is that Whites are intrinsically so evil that they cannot be allowed to exist as a separate group.

Harvard professor (((Noel Ignatiev))):
"The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the white race. Until that task is accomplished, even partial reform will prove elusive, because white influence permeates every issue in U.S. society, whether domestic or foreign."

"Make no mistake about it, we intend to keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females, too, until the social construct known as ‘the white race’ is destroyed. Not ‘deconstructed’ but destroyed."

Anonymous Fred on Everything March 21, 2017 10:25 AM  

Me Fred. Me make strawman. Me knock down. Me winner! Me go see donkey show now.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) March 21, 2017 10:27 AM  

So relatively small, stable amounts of "diversity" can be managed, but only with strictly enforced rules, and relaxing those rules, or increasing the level of "diversity" beyond a certain point, leads to disaster? Sounds about right.

"Relatively small" is historically around 10-12%, or twice your 5% tipping point.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 21, 2017 10:27 AM  

self-preference

I love that. It's a perfect encapsulation.

If I wanted to live in China I'd attempt to move to China. If I wanted to live in Guadalajara, .....

I am beyond sick of assholes who wax nostalgic about their Norman Rockwell boyhood but turn around and tell me to embrace Brazil (not the Boys From version, but more like the nearby People's Temple version in Guyana.)

All this makes me want to lock in a mag and load.

Blogger praetorian March 21, 2017 10:29 AM  

Asians have a thousand years of test-taking aptitude (mandarin system), it hasn't always translated into economic or industrial aptitude. It taught them to cheat a lot.

Yep.

From the video that vox linked to yesterday, in response to a question of how the 70 IQ Haitian rebels managed to repel a 100% pure gallican phenotype Napoleonic army, this tidbit came up: a 70 IQ white child is mildly retarded and will be asocial, however a 70 IQ black child is very socially functional and may be quite popular.

So, without setting aside its predictive value in many areas, there are significant factors beyond IQ when it comes to individual and civilizational performance. It's not like east asians just stumbled into a high IQ situation, yet Europe was and remains where most of the scientific discoveries come from.

This is what makes Fred's article (and, in fairness, the small group of autistic IQ fetishists he takes for the majority of the alt right) so stupid.

Blogger MrPaules March 21, 2017 10:29 AM  

Peas are peas and carrots are carrots. You can steam them together and put them on the table. Some people will eat only the peas. Others will pick out the carrots and leave the peas behind. Some will eat both with equal relish while others simply hate vegetables. So which is superior, peas or carrots? I don't know; I just don't want someone telling me that I have to eat my peas.

Anonymous Fred on Everything March 21, 2017 10:31 AM  

Me Fred. Me no say bad about Mexican because me no want end up in mass grave and head in styrofoam cooler.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 21, 2017 10:32 AM  

@Cail Corishev

"That's true, but even if it weren't, and "Americans" had decided to throw away their country -- aren't we allowed to wise up and change our minds?"

Good point. Can't believe I missed that one. There are often several levels of dishonesty embedded in these arguments.

So essentially, it amounts to "No one pushed you out the window onto that ledge, you climbed out there yourself. No, you can't come back in-- just JUMP, dammit!"

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 21, 2017 10:35 AM  

@Josh

"your 5% tipping point."

You're attempting to split the wrong person's hairs. Just sayin'

Blogger Timmy3 March 21, 2017 10:36 AM  

The Asian schooling systems will test out any sense of innovation in their students. Innovation doesn't require intelligence testing. Often, the education system burns out their students. The odd thing is while Asian school systems puts out comparable Junior College level graduates at the High School level, their college/university level schooling system is far inferior to the American system. As a percentage of population, Asians just don't make it to college, thus there are so many foreign students at American colleges. The best of both worlds.

Blogger tz March 21, 2017 10:37 AM  

It isn't the 100 IQ Chinese or Indians coming here, it is the 120+, so there is that even with regression to the mean. And a billion people will have a thousand 6SD

That you can memorize physics and math doesn't mean you can understand, solve, or invent.

Twice at different times I've seen Chinese EEs couldn't understand Ohm's law. Even after explaining it once.

Rice is a continual effort (I don't think they plow), wheat is a big effort to plant, not much in summer, then a big effort to harvest. And that affected the culture.

Blogger Some Dude March 21, 2017 10:38 AM  

It's so non-sequitur, unless they're somehow making the implied argument that whites are so superior that their continued existence itself would ensure white dominion (which I doubt is what they're angling for).

Hole in one. They don't want Tsarist Russia again where they are an obvious minority discriminated against. They want to parasitically feed in secrecy. That's why you'll notice Steve Sailer keeps pinging the cossack and ghetto references.

You never wonder what jews teach their kids?

Hahahah.

Much history in a sense is the recognition by Jews that they need hosts to thrive - whether it is slav, white, turk, roman, persian and so on. They cannot live alongside each other. You can't scam another scammer. Its dysfunctional.

Israel would not exist without the $150bn in subsidies its gotten over the past 2-3decades + lebensraum wars + favourable subsidies from private individuals who have leeched off private gentiles via (((Wall Street))).

Anonymous Bz March 21, 2017 10:38 AM  

Jews, whose genetically immutable IQ seems to have fallen precipitately while the genetically immutable IQ of the Asians has risen

In America, that might be due to the irresistible charms of the Shiksa. If one wants to be positive about it, that's a sign of integration.

Blogger Some Dude March 21, 2017 10:39 AM  

Ideologies have slaves not followers. You never wonder why all of the well known ideologies were created by Jews?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 21, 2017 10:39 AM  

@Fred on Everything

Or maybe you just think that there are already enough mestizos in Mexico, and don't want 12 million, or 20 million, or 30 million, coming back from the US, and disturbing your comfortable community of American expats?

Anonymous Bz March 21, 2017 10:40 AM  

Asian top universities are much like institutions like Harvard, though perhaps more extreme. That is, the point is not what you will be taught but that you got in.

Anonymous Grayman March 21, 2017 10:41 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:"we" did not, the gobalist elite did.

That's true, but even if it weren't, and "Americans" had decided to throw away their country -- aren't we allowed to wise up and change our minds?

Using, "You Americans brought this on yourselves," in a pro-immigration argument boils down to, "Hey, we foreigners liked it when America was giving away the store; no fair changing your minds and defending your national interests again!"


We are saying the same thing.

-- aren't we allowed to wise up and change our minds?
Absolutely, America does not belong to the world or anyone else except for Americans. To the hordes, you have to go back!

Blogger Gaiseric March 21, 2017 10:42 AM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) wrote:Your mythical 5% minority America has never existed. Period.
MY mythical 5% minority? I think you've lost the thread of the conversation. I AGREED with you that there's never been a 5% minority on the US. And then I pointed out that the lack thereof has consistently caused persistent problems.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 21, 2017 10:42 AM  

So Fred applauds the UK "importing" a bunch of Africans so "their people" win lots of medals at the Olympics?

Even IF the USA siphoned off China's best-and-brightest and they came to dominate in industry, would I love that last decade's top 10% of Caucasians in US high schools were pushing brooms in hallways thronged with ethnic Chinese engineers?

Who. Believes. This. BS? Do my kids and your kids get "paid" by how industrially dominant is the USA, regardless of Who Is Running It?

You know the main Narrative is fatally broken when its intellectual underpinnings are this profoundly stupid.

Blogger Resident Moron™ March 21, 2017 10:43 AM  

@Hunsdon

"Maybe his brain just won't let his heart tell the lies it wants to?"

Maybe his heart won't let his brain recognize the truth?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 21, 2017 10:44 AM  

@Some Dude

"You never wonder why all of the well known ideologies were created by Jews?"

Not since reading "The Culture of Critique."

Anonymous Tupakhamon March 21, 2017 10:46 AM  

The mad men era is gone, bend over & take it cause da pharos is back.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 21, 2017 10:49 AM  

@dc.sunsets

"You know the main Narrative is fatally broken when its intellectual underpinnings are this profoundly stupid."

You mean it's not completely obvious that people are merely interchangeable cogs in the global economy? That the slate is not blank, and the dirt is not magic? That race is not a "social construct" after all?

Anonymous kfg March 21, 2017 10:50 AM  

@Josh:

Again, that 5% tipping point figure came specifically from an analysis of Islamic invasion by immigration, not "minorities."

Anonymous Steve Canyon March 21, 2017 10:52 AM  

I like Fred, and I respect him. But crap, he seems to lapse into Abe Simpson mode a bit more than usual.

Anonymous kfg March 21, 2017 10:58 AM  

" . . . Chinese EEs couldn't understand Ohm's law."

Just the one law, or was it all three?

Anonymous Grayman March 21, 2017 11:00 AM  

praetorian wrote:Asians have a thousand years of test-taking aptitude (mandarin system), it hasn't always translated into economic or industrial aptitude. It taught them to cheat a lot.

Yep.

From the video that vox linked to yesterday, in response to a question of how the 70 IQ Haitian rebels managed to repel a 100% pure gallican phenotype Napoleonic army, this tidbit came up: a 70 IQ white child is mildly retarded and will be asocial, however a 70 IQ black child is very socially functional and may be quite popular.


Analyzing a military defeat goes well beyond IQ. At the most base level fighting is instinctual and a handful of talented individuals can wield a mob with great effect. A brilliant commander who makes poor choices can be defeated by a rabble, and fortune is always in play as well. Asked in this manner the question at hand is meaningless, physical combat is far more than analytical ability as determined by IQ.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus March 21, 2017 11:01 AM  

Even IF the USA siphoned off China's best-and-brightest and they came to dominate in industry, would I love that last decade's top 10% of Caucasians in US high schools were pushing brooms in hallways thronged with ethnic Chinese engineers?

I'm not convinced that the nominal IQ superiority of East Asians is really all that important.

I tend to give credence to the "smart fraction" theory of IQ and its explanation for why EastAsians can have a higher average IQ, and yet lag behind white nations in economic metrics. Basically, it theorises that their bell curve is shaped differently than our - much more narrow - and hence, while their average IQs tend to be higher than those for white nations, whites tend to have a higher proportion of the *really* smart folks (i.e. 3 SD and higher). As such, while Asians may be good at memorising and doing the sort of rote work required to maintain and imitate high technology, they're not so good at genuinely creative and innovative thinking, which is a 3SD and higher domain. In essence, East Asian nations are nations of midwits - higher IQs than the US average, but not producing very many individuals who are super-high in the IQ department.

Blogger Silly But True March 21, 2017 11:07 AM  

That Asians top academics is no surprise. They have a kleptocracy game that beats the Russian oligarchs and are getting the best education money can buy.

Question for Fred: why does Fred think all these smart Asians are all coming to American schools?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jnylander/2015/07/13/how-chinese-students-are-cheating-to-get-into-u-s-universities/amp/

http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/college-charity/

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/01/19/chinese-students-hungry-attend-universities-caught-fraudulent-application-process/gpRB06mqBVAsxZ6eAbFKCJ/amp.html

Anonymous kfg March 21, 2017 11:07 AM  

" . . . Asians may be good at memorising and doing the sort of rote work required to maintain and imitate high technology . . ."

Hence my last comment, engendered by hearing an "EE" proudly proclaim that he not only knew Ohm's Law, he knew all three.

In other words, he was so lacking in understanding of some very basic principles that he had sat down and memorized the algebraic permutations of the law.

Anonymous Grayman March 21, 2017 11:08 AM  

Bz wrote:Asian top universities are much like institutions like Harvard, though perhaps more extreme. That is, the point is not what you will be taught but that you got in.

A family member is a dean at a large university and at this particular university they have actively been courting foreign students for almost 10 years now primarily because they are cash cows compared to US citizens. In this case they intentionally hired an Asian assistant dean to facilitate their ability to woo that foreign population. The schools are also aware that these students will promptly for cliches that share tests and homework but the schools do not dare break that up because they will be labeled racists and it will hit their bottom line in the recruitment of their foreign cash cows.

Much of the foreign student performance is questionable at best and given the massive degree of coordinated cheating there is no real way to know what the real performance level is.

Blogger red clock March 21, 2017 11:09 AM  

The latest list of World's Happiest Countries (it is thorough and weighs all sorts of factors):

1. Norway
2. Denmark
3. Iceland
4. Switzerland
5. Finland
6. Netherlands
7. Canada
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden

Ten out of top ten are white nations. 4 out of top 5 are Nordic. 7/10 are NW European (other 3, although on other continents, have mostly NW Euro-descendant populations). Despite the fact that whites only make up 9 - 13% of world population.

Race and ancestry matters a lot.

Anonymous Eduardo March 21, 2017 11:13 AM  

Funny... This must be Human Development Index based rank.

I saw the map where people declared themselves happy, and Europe was filled with unhappy people while Africa didn't went bellow 95%.

Anonymous kfg March 21, 2017 11:19 AM  

http://worldhappiness.report/

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) March 21, 2017 11:22 AM  

Again, that 5% tipping point figure came specifically from an analysis of Islamic invasion by immigration, not "minorities."

I would agree with you that 5% is too many Muslims.

Blogger praetorian March 21, 2017 11:28 AM  

Basically, it theorises that their bell curve is shaped differently than our - much more narrow - and hence, while their average IQs tend to be higher than those for white nations, whites tend to have a higher proportion of the *really* smart folks (i.e. 3 SD and higher)

Is there good research on this?

My theory is that Christian derived high trust and also faith in a loving, knowable God is a key aspect. (Japanese are high trust, as far as I understand, but appear to be missing something Europe had. I struggle with what exactly.)

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) March 21, 2017 11:28 AM  

The latest list of World's Happiest Countries (it is thorough and weighs all sorts of factors):

Steve Sailer:

Rankings aren’t based on actual happiness, but instead on what Jeffrey Sachs thinks ought to contribute to happiness:

The rankings are based on six factors — per capita gross domestic product, healthy life expectancy, freedom, generosity, social support and absence of corruption in government or business.

Anonymous Bz March 21, 2017 11:30 AM  

Well, at least the article as quoted, while not strong, presents arguments and facts that can be refuted. Much better than the usual SJW mess of shaming and hysteria couched in academic grievance language.

Perhaps the best use is to hone one's arguments against what Reed advances and note them down for future use.

Anonymous badhairday March 21, 2017 11:34 AM  

'the result of various non-Darwinian selection processes such as sex selection and social class distinctions'

Vox, sexual and social selection *are* Darwinian selection processes. They may or may not lead to the fittest offspring or most successful nation - that's were the survival of the fittest part comes in. (which does not guarantee the destruction of the less fit.)

@all Yesterday's video highlighted the low level of testosterone in Asians compared to whites. Would this also explain their greater willingness to sit down and study?

Blogger praetorian March 21, 2017 11:36 AM  

Asked in this manner the question at hand is meaningless, physical combat is far more than analytical ability as determined by IQ.

They were fighting a modern european army with modern and brutal tactics. Admittedly they weren't sitting down for a game of chess, but this wasn't single combat.

Anyway, the fundamental point I was getting as is that interracial IQ comparisons (asian/white, white/black) need to be taken with a grain of salt, since other attributes (e.g. testosterone levels, natural trust) also play significant factors.

Anonymous Eduardo March 21, 2017 11:42 AM  

Anything is a Darwinian Selection Proccess.

Ops, drank too much and got over by Bambi? Darwinian Selection Proccess.

Anonymous Takin' a Look March 21, 2017 11:43 AM  

@ dc. sunsets

"
I am beyond sick of assholes who wax nostalgic about their Norman Rockwell boyhood but turn around and tell me to embrace Brazil (not the Boys From version, but more like the nearby People's Temple version in Guyana.)"

Seconded. The GG, the Silent and Baby Boomers all need to _die_.

Anonymous kfg March 21, 2017 11:54 AM  

https://infogalactic.com/info/Non-Darwinian_Evolution

Our old friend P.Z. Myer's personal project is looking for evidence of non-Darwinian Evolution in pet store fish.

Anonymous Eduardo March 21, 2017 12:01 PM  

Sir Sunsets

Come on bro, embrace Brazil!

Gimme a hug!

Anonymous kfg March 21, 2017 12:02 PM  

"I am beyond sick of assholes who wax nostalgic about their Norman Rockwell boyhood . . ."

I used to go to the swimmin' hole in front of his house. It was a wonderful time. His models were, on the whole, good people to be around. Never cared for his art much though.

" . . . but turn around and tell me to embrace Brazil . . ."

Well that's stupid.

"The GG, the Silent and Baby Boomers all need to _die_."

Yes they do. And so they shall.

Blogger Basil Makedon March 21, 2017 12:06 PM  

@VD While I did enjoy SJWAL, I consider "The Irrational Atheist" the better work of non-fiction and one of the top books I've read in the past decade.

Anonymous badhairday March 21, 2017 12:08 PM  

@116. kfg

Thanks.
I'd never heard of Non-Darwinian Evolution before. I was expecting a few of the intelligent design types to pop up but not this. (although I can't quite grasp why the passing on of non disastrous mutations should be called non-Darwinian)

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 21, 2017 12:09 PM  

@101
Basically, it theorises that their bell curve is shaped differently than our - much more narrow

IOW approximately the same curve as western, female IQ's. This has some real world implications.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 21, 2017 12:09 PM  

@115

I'm a baby boomer who waxes nostalgic about my Normal Rockwell boyhood.

What I don't do is tell people to suck it up, we're now where we are and we can't go back, embrace the Kook-Aid.

I sincerely DO want to return to something that looks a hell of a lot MORE like a Norman Rockwell painting for my grandkids. Step one in that process is to notice that the vast majority of people depicted by Norman Rockwell were WHITE.

Same-preference, like Vox Day wrote. I want society to look like a very extended family gathering, not a visit to Wal-Mart in Cancun or a bazaar in Mogadishu.

Due to out-breeding in Western Europe, by the 20th century people were all distant cousins. Not like everywhere else where clannishness leads to inbreeding, nepotism and puts a lid on civility and commonweal orientation.
https://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2015/09/why-re-colonization-commonweal.html

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd March 21, 2017 12:20 PM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) wrote:It's probably more accurate to say that anything over 5% leads to self-segregation and assimilation becomes very difficult.

Based on history, that's not accurate


Josh, you and the others on this topic seem to be talking past one another.

American Blacks have been about a 10% minority for quite a while. How well have they assimilated?

If a minority group gets big enough to have its own sub-culture, that's going to hinder assimilation. I don't know if a 5% minority is big enough to maintain a subculture and not assimilate, but we have an example showing that in one case at least, 10% definitely is too big to assimilate.

Blogger James Dixon March 21, 2017 12:24 PM  

> Unfortunately, many writers view the Alt Right through the eyes of people like Richard Spencer rather than Vox Day.

I believe you left the word "choose" out of that sentence.

> If Reed goes by Spencer's definition of the Alt-Right -- and why shouldn't he? -- then his case against the Alt-Right is much stronger.

And there we have the reason why.

As to why he shouldn't? Well, is he looking for a bogeyman or the truth?

Blogger Nick S March 21, 2017 12:24 PM  

I believe that people who believe that they know what other people believe don't even know what they themselves believe...believe me.

Seriously though, the extent to which people are appealing to a minority of outliers in order to extrapolate to the whole of the Alt-Right is just stupid and it's getting really annoying.

Anonymous Avalanche March 21, 2017 12:24 PM  

@15 "I still don't see why memorizing STEM subjects in grade school is worshipped. I believe entrepreneurship is superior."

If you don't have a pretty good basing in the "M" (and maybe, to some degree or other, the others) you will NOT succeed as an entrepreneur! Try working out a P&L statement without a helluva grasp of math! (Granted -- *actual* "mathematics, the higher stuff, could and maybe should be reserved for the guys (cause it's mostly males) who WANT to actually use actual math. But hell, when these kids today (do I sound curmudgeonly enough?) can't even make change at their $15-an-hour entry jobs!

How desperate at the machine shops for guys who can ACTUALLY calculate and do CAD/CAM? (All three of my (subcontract) machine shops are ALWAYS trying to find actual guys who can actually dot he work! Wish they hadn't quit 'tracking' jr and high school students!

MOST people do not need to go to college. MOST people will not benefit from college! Damned DollarBill Gates always spending money on colleges -- it is NEEDED in pre-k and elementary school! If they kids don't learn to ... you know ... LEARN when they're that young, you'll never make it up! You cannot 'fix' at the college-level what was fundamentally (and, actually, to a large degree genetically and sociologically) 'broken' in the home and earliest grades.
(Oops. Sorry, you hit a sore spot... Rant over.)

Blogger MrPaules March 21, 2017 12:26 PM  

"The GG, the Silent and Baby Boomers all need to _die_."

Yes they do. And so they shall.

The statement is stupid and unworthy of this thread. Boomers are about to find themselves in the same situation as the generations coming up behind them. The Alt-right needs to co-opt us, not discount us. I am a boomer. I'm as red-pilled as any of you. And more of my generation will be. That much is inevitable.

Anonymous Avalanche March 21, 2017 12:26 PM  

(Oh yeah, and what Josh @17 said:)
"The entrepreneurs have to build something. That's where STEM comes in."

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 21, 2017 12:31 PM  

Mexico threatens to stop importing corn from the US

Corn is Mexico's fourth-biggest import from the United States, after gasoline, diesel and natural gas.

Maybe someone could ask Fred Reed why an oil producing nation has to import gasoline and diesel.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 21, 2017 12:35 PM  

@22. Josh

Unfortunately, Josh, it is true to a large degree.

Blogger Cloudswrest March 21, 2017 12:37 PM  

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Blogger Cloudswrest March 21, 2017 12:38 PM  

The errors in Fred's critique are entirely obvious:

I wouldn't deign to call them "errors". That implies good faith incompetence. I would call them outright lies and straw men.

Blogger pnq8787 March 21, 2017 12:42 PM  

Thank you for this response, Vox. I had read his article and disagreed with it because I thought it mis-represented the Al-Right as well. I don't believe in white supremacy, but I do believe in nationalism for all people, including my own, white people. For me the most important thing is that diversity causes unhappiness and destroys the true diversity among nations which is what I truly love. If the globalist have their way they won't stop and destroying all white societies. An appreciate of the beauty of Asian people and culture is what brought me to the alt-right in the first place. The thought of the globalist agenda bringing diversity and destroying those societies is appalling. And if you are consistent then you have to know that it is also wrong to destroy white societies. I look around me now and the people I see in my diverse world inspires no love for country, I can tell you that.

Anonymous kfg March 21, 2017 12:43 PM  

"The statement is stupid and unworthy of this thread."

Your interpretation of the statement is, well, let's call it "shallow," and unworthy of this thread.

Although if you've found a way out I'd appreciate being let in on the secret.

And when all the GGs, Silents and Boomers are gone, the person to whom I was responding will find he is an old man and has to die.

That's the way it works. If we all "lived forever," we'd all die.

"The Alt-right needs to co-opt us, not discount us. I am a boomer. I'm as red-pilled as any of you."

But the chip on your shoulder caused you to miss what I was talking about.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky March 21, 2017 12:50 PM  

Shitty article from Fred. It looks like he took his definition of the Alt-Right from Hillary's caricature speech. And he wasted his effort belaboring the obvious and missing the point.

Very sloppy.

Blogger Some Dude March 21, 2017 12:54 PM  

KFG

Bit dumb as the older generations grew up with less jew mind control rays.

I woudl suspect the vast majority of Trumps voters were silents, boomers and so on, and most of the necons puppets supporters were millenials, gen xers, immigrants and others more brainwashed.

Blogger Some Dude March 21, 2017 12:57 PM  

East asians have higher quant intelligence. That's pretty obvious. Otherwise whites would do more engineering and comp sci because the money is so good. And the money is good because of lack of supply.

Asians have poor verbal and social intelligence though. Its tradeoffs.

There are many facets of intelligence - memory, reaction time, musical, social, verbal, spatial etc etc.

No test purports to measure all of it. Just a chunk of it.

Its pretty obvious quant is inversly correlated to social and musical intelligence.

I would bet Trump and say, Pharrel Williams have serious problems with partial diff equations.

We can't be good at everything.

Blogger MrPaules March 21, 2017 12:58 PM  

@kfg

I'm not going to pick a fight over semantics, and I'm not sure what you mean by "a way out." I will say that the future looks grim and the only "way out" is through self-sufficiency and cooperation. If you aren't prepping for the way ahead, you'll be lucky to survive.

Blogger Some Dude March 21, 2017 1:01 PM  

I remember reading a study that they testes peasent farmers in communist Vietnam in the 80s and the kids scored roughly the same as Eastern Europeans.

The point is that even with a nutrition and schooling disadvantage and an agricultural environment, the ability is there.

This explains why China is the oldest civilisation.

It stagnated because its Masters kept selecting for compliance, rule following and reflexive loyalty and submissivenes i.e. aspergers.

Aspergers is a social creation. It is not viable in Kinshasa, the barrios or the wilds of Afghanistan. You will die or be cheated. its only viable in heavily policed states.

Anonymous Barnabas March 21, 2017 1:04 PM  

I concede, East Asians are the best. So let the world's wretched refuse move to Asia.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 21, 2017 1:08 PM  

@126 Avalanche
Math is to organized thought like learning the scales is to playing a sonnet on the piano. This is why people often get it wrong; they think math is an end to itself, when in fact for most people who don't become mathematicians, it's just a process by which their thinking is made coherent in a specific way. How many engineers or software developers actually do calculus problems on a routine basis? Few indeed, if I'm informed correctly. They let the software do it.

The same holds true of writing. Writing forces a coherence of thought that exceeds that of simple reading comprehension. This is why true learning almost always follows some form of DIY, e.g, writing a synopsis of a book, writing a codification of your notes from a lecture, or practicing mathematical processes by utilizing them in written problem-solving.

What we think of as IQ is mostly a measure of the brain-engine's horsepower. Training the mind is the turbocharger and attributes like curiosity, rebelliousness, self-motivation and competitiveness are the transmission by which the engine's output is turned into real movement, the rubber on the road.

Wrote memorization is not synonymous with turbocharging. People (and peoples) who are very good at test-taking can produce artifacts in some kinds of IQ test results, and those who lack a certain rebelliousness (or willingness to dishonor their predecessors/mentors/ancestors by showing where they were wrong) are fundamentally handicapped not by intelligence BUT ITS APPLICATION.

Also, low-trust, high-clannish people lack the "fair play" (commonweal) mindset essential to eschewing cheating and game-playing to win.

Anyone who thinks a culture that elevates "win at any cost, including cheating" will prosper as anything but a PARASITE is a moron.

As the White West fades, who will the parasites feed from? This is the question such people never confront.

Blogger Pteronarcyd March 21, 2017 1:09 PM  

@10 Jeff wrote:
"Unfortunately, many writers view the Alt Right through the eyes of people like Richard Spencer rather than Vox Day."

Agreed. Unfortunately, the Alt Reich seems to get much more attention than does Vox.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd March 21, 2017 1:11 PM  

Bz wrote:Asian top universities are much like institutions like Harvard, though perhaps more extreme. That is, the point is not what you will be taught but that you got in.

I heard similar comments from Indian and Chinese classmates in a US university. You had to work terribly hard to get into a good school, but once in you could coast.

Anonymous kfg March 21, 2017 1:14 PM  

@Mr. Paules: "I'm not sure what you mean by "a way out.""

Q.E.D.

"If you aren't prepping for the way ahead, you'll be lucky to survive."

I have been prepping since I were a wee lad swimmin' in literally Norman Rockwell's world, but . . . I'm not going to survive. Neither are you. Neither is anyone else commenting here. Assuming you haven't found a way out:

We need to die. And so we shall. Memento Mori.

Do I really have to go into Technical Manual for Autists Author mode to make it any clearer?

Blogger dc.sunsets March 21, 2017 1:23 PM  

@126 NEEDED in pre-k and elementary school! If they kids don't learn to ... you know ... LEARN when they're that young, you'll never make it up! You cannot 'fix' at the college-level what was fundamentally (and, actually, to a large degree genetically and sociologically) 'broken' in the home and earliest grades.

In
The
Home

The three most important words ever uttered in the context of learning.

I have a video from about 1994. My wife recorded a series of questions she asked of my youngest kid, three years old, asking him about where were his siblings, where was I, what were we doing.... It was a part of her routine nurturing of our kids, the most important job of her life, something she quit her job to do for 15 years straight.

Kids today show up in 4th grade unable to know what to do if they break their pencil's point. Mommy bails them out. She coddles them. She does everything for them. They wile away the hours on video games or TV.

The solutions will not come from above. They will percolate up from the bottom out of NECESSITY, or they'll never arrive at all.

It doesn't take a village. It doesn't take a school. It takes a mother and a father to grasp their roles, and to learn how to deliver even if they have to ask someone for help.

That will not be common until after Hardship washes over North America in ways not seen since at least the 1930's, possibly the 1860's.

We're the Remnant. We'll never find ourselves surrounded by approval. We do what we think is right and we ignore the Pop Culture fads of the day. It's no more complicated than that.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 21, 2017 1:25 PM  

@144 It's not about the destination, it's all about the Path. (Right?)

Blogger Al Smith March 21, 2017 1:27 PM  

Fred Reed's done a lot of these, and as far as I can can tell he's NEVER addressed any of the actual concerns of the alt-right, a fact which makes him either incredibly inept, or incredibly disengenuous.

Blogger Durandel Almiras March 21, 2017 1:44 PM  

@145 dc.sunsets - Amen brother.

Blogger MrPaules March 21, 2017 1:47 PM  

I'm with dc.sunsets. The remnant must fight on. Death is the great equalizer, but I'm not dead YET. I intend to leave something worthy behind.

Anonymous Jeff March 21, 2017 1:47 PM  

The latest list of World's Happiest Countries (it is thorough and weighs all sorts of factors):

1. Norway
2. Denmark
3. Iceland
4. Switzerland
5. Finland
6. Netherlands
7. Canada
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden


Given current immigration trends, Canada will not be on that list for long.

Anonymous kfg March 21, 2017 1:52 PM  

@146:

That is a not unreasonable summation of the text of the sermon. Although, being honest, I did indulge myself a bit by giving it the title, "Yeah, well, you too, Buddy."

Initially in the general direction of Xers/Millennials, but then Mr. Paules's chip whispered in his ear that I was talking about him and we were off to the races.

Blogger Durandel Almiras March 21, 2017 1:52 PM  

@141 dc.susnsets - yeah,ever since the noticed that g could be measured by reaction time, that solidified it for me that IQ is mostly human "hardware" but a good computer is only useful based on how it is used and what software is running on it.

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative March 21, 2017 2:12 PM  

@113 praetorian:

"Anyway, the fundamental point I was getting as is that interracial IQ comparisons (asian/white, white/black) need to be taken with a grain of salt, since other attributes (e.g. testosterone levels, natural trust) also play significant factors."

For example:

Culture–gene coevolution of individualism–collectivism and the serotonin transporter gene

http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2009/10/27/rspb.2009.1650

(examine figure 1)

and:

The long rather than the short allele of 5-HTTLPR predisposes Han Chinese to anxiety and reduced connectivity between prefrontal cortex and amygdala.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23319313

(the short allele is the more common one in this population)

quote:

"Our findings demonstrated that in Chinese Han participants, in contrast to Caucasians, the L-allele confers vulnerability to anxiety or depression and weakens top-down emotional control between the PFC and amygdala."

And that's just the effects of one gene out of thousands. HBD is much bigger than IQ and we've just scratched the surface of this subject. More discoveries will be coming now that gene sequencing is so cheap.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 21, 2017 2:45 PM  

And that's just the effects of one gene out of thousands. HBD is much bigger than IQ and we've just scratched the surface of this subject. More discoveries will be coming now that gene sequencing is so cheap.

GWAS (genome wide association studies) are very trendy, which is another signal that HBD (or whatever term one prefers) is to be The Idea that fuels the period ahead.

Blank Slate was pushed to infinity and beyond, where the cognitive dissonance quotient just was too much to sustain. I mean, Boys can be GIRLS?! Ideological blindness is a spectrum, not a unitary condition.

The snap-back will be EVERYTHING is caused by genetics (which is probably not true, either.) Once that belief is embedded, the Left's entire paradigm is untenable, A to Z.

The inversion is going to be a Wild Ride.

The outcome will be, however, IN-GROUPING on a scale not seen in centuries.

Blogger Matt March 21, 2017 4:02 PM  

Ooh, Fred. He cucks at least once a year.

Blogger Matt March 21, 2017 4:02 PM  

Ooh, Fred. He cucks at least once a year.

Blogger Stilicho March 21, 2017 4:18 PM  

Fred's arguments re: immigration and intelligence always boil down to "Muh Mexican". He's certainly welcome to live in Mexico. He's not welcome to try to transform America into Mexico Norte. But, in the end, Fred is just trying to justify his personal choices and preferences while white-knighting for his wife's people. - hope it gets him laid more often.

Anonymous crushlimbraw March 21, 2017 4:29 PM  

Fred, like many who we might even consider to be friends, is guilty of intellectual laziness. They simply don't do their homework!
I get the same reaction from personal friends who still fight DaLastWar of D vs. R or Conservatives vs. Liberals. And they won't read what I send them - but they argue their case nevertheless - based on a myth.
The old political forces are either incapable or unwilling to face reality. Only the Alt Right seems to look at how things really are and that we need to make some changes - not just promises - but actual changes.

Anonymous Bob March 21, 2017 4:34 PM  

Sorry, Mr. Day you made a rare error. Not all races prefer their own. Some even avoid them because their lives depend on it.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 21, 2017 5:00 PM  

yes, but how many will admit they wish to avoid their own?

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative March 21, 2017 5:09 PM  

@154 dc.sunsets

Agreed. Completely.

Anonymous Loki7 March 21, 2017 5:28 PM  

Maybe the Modelo isn`t providing the kick that it used to for Fred. Perhaps he should switch to Nate`s beverage of choice.

Anonymous DMV March 21, 2017 5:55 PM  

Old age has depleted Fred's testosterone. He's more woman than man these days.

Anonymous Trump-Democrat March 21, 2017 6:01 PM  

For me its very hard to burn out. I have underachieved for so long and set such low standards in my life that improvement from year to year is very easy for me

Anonymous Anonymous March 21, 2017 6:15 PM  

Fred likes the rice.

- Fong

Anonymous BBGKB March 21, 2017 7:46 PM  

East Asians are great at copying and memorizing but I am pretty sure they could memorize entire books without understanding what is in them.

the fact that so many diverse population groups observably prefer white cultures and societies to their own does tend to indicate the objective superiority of those cultures and societies

They only like the results, they want nothing to do with what is needed to create the results. Most hate everything about Western Civilization except the benefits office & that cops are afraid to arrest them for raping little white girls.

If anyone has a good background or source, I am curious what the difference is with Russia not being inundated.

They can't squat out 21 crackbabies on the taxpayers expense there.

Me Fred. Me make strawman. Me knock down. Me winner! Me go see donkey show now.

He might have invested in his own donkey.

Basically, it theorises that their bell curve is shaped differently than our - much more narrow - and hence, while their average IQs tend to be higher than those for white nations

My personal theory is that Moa targeted smart Chinese when he killed off 100 million, that's why Hong Kong and the Chinese in the US are smarter than the nation. Its like if the president declared everyone in the US with red hair would be killed next week except in TX, then people wondering years later why phenotype= redhead is seen so much more in TX.

Hence my last comment, engendered by hearing an "EE" proudly proclaim that he not only knew Ohm's Law, he knew all three.

In other words, he was so lacking in understanding of some very basic principles that he had sat down and memorized the algebraic permutations of the law.


Exactly if he didn't memorize all 3 the basic formula would be mostly unusable for him.

Blogger Good Will March 21, 2017 8:24 PM  

It's hard to drive and read through Tears while I'm laughing so hard!

Blogger Lazy Hero March 22, 2017 5:20 AM  

If Asians are so smart why have they never ruled the world? every 500 years or so China is in position to do so, but never does. There's the story of the Chinese eunuch admiral who built the largest fleet in the world in the mid 1400s and some believe he sailed to America, then the Chinese burned their ships. What was the admiral's name, h'mm, oh yeah, who gives a shit.

Blogger Dane Prywatne March 22, 2017 5:27 AM  

There is no need to prove that one race is better then the other - for first it makes people scream various 'racist' names .. instead it is better to say that white and yellow race is more adapted to civilized way of life that promotes intelligence rather then physical agility and strength (see IQ vs athletic achievements of blacks) and is a result of living in such conditions for a considerable number of thousands of years under evolutionary pressure ..

Anonymous Discard March 22, 2017 5:33 AM  

We have no idea what the average IQ of the Chinese is. Those that come here, as 84. tz mentions, are not typical. And their own government is not about to let a bunch of American psychologists ramble the Chinese countryside giving IQ tests to the locals.
The smart ones that do come here go into STEM because it's intelligible to them, since it is not dependent on understanding the culture. Smart Whites can make a lot more money as lawyers or financiers than as doctors or scientists, so they do.

Anonymous Bukulu March 22, 2017 7:43 AM  

I literally just flew in from Nairobi overnight, and NO it's not just a giant slum. The vast expansion of the middle class suburbs there, the continual development of the road system (which yes, unfortunately does not extend into the city core), the expansion of Kenya Airways from a tiny entity into a major regional carrier, etc etc all illustrate the fallacy of your claim.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit March 22, 2017 8:56 AM  

SteelPalm wrote:(Note that France, which is besieged by them, has a 7-9% Muslim population)

Serious using Wikipedo as a source? First of all, it is illegal to collect any statistics based on race or religion if France. Illeagal as in, anyone asking "Are you a muslim?" or "Are you an arab?" would end up in court, fined and maybe even imprisoned. So why do you think the government goes out of its way to avoid letting us know how many muslims there are in France if it is so low?

The "official" ipsos findings which suggest 7.5% are from nearly 10 years ago. Want do you think muslim immigrants in France have been doing since then? And how many more have come off the banana boats since?

This report shows French people estimate it at 31% (and, because they follow the msm narrative' the article goes on to smugly mock them from being sooo wrong compared to "official" figures - not that the "official" figure could ever be BS, no sir, governments never lie,ever). 31% is a lot closer to the reality I see on the streets every day than 7-9%. Even my kids catholic school has a couple of muhammadans per class which is ~10% (and I could end up in court just for making that observation)

The only reliable measure in the public domain is sickle cell anemia test data. This is a disease that effects only children with two parents of African origin so only babies meeting those criteria are screened.

What they show is terrifying. The year on year changes to the demographics is a death knell for the indigenous French. [Link to most recent (2015) statistics]; The article in is France but if you scroll down there is a map with the figures on it which is easy to understand. Don't forget these figures don't include the offspring of bourgeois France's latest trend: miscegenation - these statistics just refer to kids with two African parents...

The suburbs of Paris are nearly 80% African - I'm guessing not many are Christians or Buddhists. Sure there are rural areas with only one kebab shop buy Valls when he was PM a few years ago earmarked €6 billion to spread diversity to the countryside now that the towns and cities are at full parasite capacity.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit March 22, 2017 8:59 AM  

Forgot to link to the first article mentioned above
France 'worst in the world' at guessing Muslim population

Anonymous Bob March 22, 2017 4:48 PM  

... That being said, the fact that so many diverse population groups observably prefer white cultures and societies to their own does tend to indicate the objective superiority of those cultures and societies.

I stand corrected.

Anonymous Rob March 23, 2017 7:24 PM  

Voluntary or common incentives for:
>IQ under 110 to have 1 child, 110+ 5.
>More West Euro whites; no non-Euro citizens unless 110+ IQ and no entry unless bonded/good police record/pro-US Bill of Rights.
>US/Euro areas in all countries while non-White to reduce native populations to sustainable levels.

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