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Sunday, March 26, 2017

Cerno does 60 Minutes

This is an open thread to discuss Mike Cernovich's recent appearance on 60 Minutes:
During a contentious debate on the nature of truth and what is “fake news,” Mike Cernovich told Scott Pelley what story 60 Minutes would publish before the episode had aired. Find an excerpt of this interview below:

Scott Pelley: Who’s gunning for you?

Mike Cernovich: You are. I’m on 60 Minutes. Right?

Scott Pelley: What do you mean, we’re gunning for you?

Mike Cernovich: Do I really think that you guys are going to tell the story that I would like to have told, no. Your story’s going to be here’s a guy, spreads fake news, uses social media, these social media people better … I know the story you guys are doing before you do it.

Scott Pelley: What’s wrong with that story?

Mike Cernovich: Because it is an agenda. The agenda is … The truth is you’ve talked to a person who sincerely believes true, you must also admit that there have been many stories reported by major outlets like the New York Times, the Washington Post, and Rolling Stone, that were false.

Scott Pelley: Agreed.

Mike Cernovich: People get it wrong, so why then come guns blazing at me, and not guns blazing at everybody? Why isn’t this segment going to say, how did the New York Times get conned? How did the Washington Post believe that Russia had hacked the power grid? We all together, collectively need to discover what the truth is, and converse with one another what the truth is, that’s a different story.
Mike and I discussed whether it was a good idea for him to make an exception to his usual policy to not grant interviews to what he calls the Hoax Media a few days ago. We'll find out soon enough!

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122 Comments:

Blogger tuberman March 26, 2017 9:14 PM  

After MILO being mercilessly attacked, I expect more of the same. Does not mean much to Mike's readership.

Blogger Kevin Blackwell March 26, 2017 9:16 PM  

I wonder if Dan Rather and "fake but accurate" will come up.

Blogger Jack Ward March 26, 2017 9:21 PM  

You, Mike and a few others are the only ones I can think of that could pull this off. If anyone can. The deck with the MSM is so stack their way you guys have almost no chance.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 26, 2017 9:23 PM  

"60 Minutes" is still on the air? Is Andy Rooney still there?
Yes I know he's been dead since 2011 that's not my question.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable March 26, 2017 9:27 PM  

Pretty sure Mickey Rooney is still there.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 26, 2017 9:28 PM  

@A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents

I did what you see there.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore March 26, 2017 9:30 PM  

The paid trolls are present on the comments section of "Danger And Play". This "ish" is real.

Blogger SmockMan March 26, 2017 9:33 PM  

To the average 60 mins viewer he prob came across badly. To anyone who doesn't get their news from very fake news, you saw more reasons to distrust them.

Mike's point about why trust the campaign is especially funny because the campaign lied about her being sick for days, even on the day she got sick.

Blogger Mark March 26, 2017 9:34 PM  

Even when Pelley described Cerno's pieces, he used adjectives like "bogus", "false", and "inaccurate" as if Pelley was the ultimate and indisputable arbiter of truth.
I particularly liked the exchange over Clintons seizure where Pelley thought that simply stating the the pronouncement "pneumonia" was enough to make Mike abandon his allegations and run scurrying for cover behind some fake bush. "How do you know pneumonia?" MIke posits. "Uh, uh, what do you mean how do I know?!" As if the papal bull issued by the Clinton campaign was somehow as infallible as any episode of 60 Minutes!

Blogger Doug Cranmer March 26, 2017 9:38 PM  

What has become of Milo?

Yes, I could Google around, but I'm sure people here know more than I could find.

Wish the best for that guy.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 26, 2017 9:40 PM  

That show from the 70s? How random.

Danger and Play trolling for viewership from hospices and the morgue? You be you Mike. I do not know why he pays those morons so many favors.

Blogger Doug Cranmer March 26, 2017 9:40 PM  

Wasn't he a child actor? In the '40s of last century?

Blogger kurt9 March 26, 2017 9:47 PM  

We call it the Legacy Media, but Hoax Media is a good name for it as well.

Blogger Lazarus March 26, 2017 9:47 PM  

Doug Cranmer wrote:What has become of Milo?



Internet Guy sez...........Ask the Google!

Blogger HanSolo March 26, 2017 9:48 PM  

I think Mike C. came off well (all things considered) in the clips they showed and they didn't remove those good clips of him, for example, the one where he asks why they trust the Clinton campaign.

Obviously they were gunning for Mike and always talking negatively about him but I was surprised at how good they allowed him to come off (unwittingly?) in spite of that.

Blogger Buybuydandavis March 26, 2017 9:53 PM  

SmockMan wrote:
Mike's point about why trust the campaign is especially funny because the campaign lied about her being sick for days, even on the day she got sick.


That's a real good point.

First HackingHillary was just fine. Then she was coughing because of allergies. Then on the day of the stumble, it was supposedly sweltering in Philadelphia. Then when it comes out it was about 80 at the time, we get the story that "perfectly fine" Hillary was actually Pneumonia Hillary, which they say they had known since Friday. But had neglected to tell the country until Pneumonia Hillary became Seizure Hillary and shut down getting into a van.

Blogger HanSolo March 26, 2017 9:53 PM  

Here's an article with the main video:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/watch-the-tense-60-minutes-showdown-between-scott-pelley-and-trump-right-figure-mike-cernovich/

Here's another video of 60 Minutes overtime with Mike C. content at 3:07

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9UDlowykIU

Blogger bornagainpenguin March 26, 2017 9:58 PM  

Doug Cranmer wrote:Wasn't he a child actor? In the '40s of last century?

Assuming you were responding to the Andy Rooney thread, no he wasn't the actor--you're thinking of Mickey Rooney there. See here for more details.

Anonymous Leatherwing March 26, 2017 9:59 PM  

Scott Pelley getting his panties in a twist because some people produce news for profit when he makes 5 million annually.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky March 26, 2017 10:12 PM  

The 60 Minutes piece was mostly about fake news sites, so Mike never really belonged in that segment at all. Mike doesn't generate fake news, he is not out to deceive his readership. How does his track record compare to the NYT or to 60 Minutes? Better than they'd like to admit. Much better than they'd like to admit.

He did well in there with Scott Pelley. He stood his ground. Sure, Pelley wasn't buying it, but who cares. Nothing matters but what the viewers think, and Mike came off as earnest. The MSM may totally discount Hillary's seizure problems, nobody else does. Nobody except pro-Hillary partisans such as the MSM buys that "non-contagious pneumonia" bullfeathers. Nobody.

Anonymous Aphelion March 26, 2017 10:12 PM  

Cernovich did fine. We knew what he was walking into. I don't know how much it helps him but I don't think it hurt him.

Blogger Scott March 26, 2017 10:16 PM  

Mistake. Don't give them credibility by appearing on the show. Screw the MSM.

Blogger My Dead Gramps March 26, 2017 10:19 PM  

Judging by the trolls crawling around on his blog, he certainly struck a nerve.

Blogger Lazarus March 26, 2017 10:26 PM  

Ok, I watched it. Mike did fine. I am surprised they let him end the segment. That is a victory of sorts. I think someone at the show liked his presentation. At some points in the whole thing, I thought 60 minutes was trying to get free advice at how to get more exposure.

Now, if events go like they did with Milo, there will be a co-ordinated attempt at discreditation now that he has had national exposure. If they go like they do with Trump, it will come out from other sources that H.C has been diagnosed with Parkinson's.

Blogger Jew613 March 26, 2017 10:28 PM  

The quality of Leftist propaganda has really gone down. 60 Minutes used to be a first class operation for manipulating the public. They've gotten too heavy handed, too obviously a branch of the Democratic party to be effective like they were in the past.

The effort to discredit Mike Cernovich seemed weak. They brought no proof anything Cernovich said was false, the reporters just declared stories he ran as false. But I imagine if a viewer is in their 60's it might be effective.

Blogger D. March 26, 2017 10:30 PM  

Such a nice bohunk. Taking it to the streets.

Blogger Lazarus March 26, 2017 10:32 PM  

Jew613 wrote:But I imagine if a viewer is in their 60's it might be effective.

That is the impression I got as well, grampa is gonna get riled up. But fear not. In a day or two he won't remember what he was riled up about, so no worries.

Blogger BC March 26, 2017 10:33 PM  

60 minutes is revealing is hubris, confident that they can control the narrative. Anyone who watches the videos of Hillary falling into the scooby van, will not believe it was pneumonia. But 60 Minutes thinks they can control the prevailing narrative. How unaware they are that few outside their own bubbles trust them.

It also reveals their own solipsism. They report "news" and think that everyone watching it believes it to be true. They see "fake news" being distributed and believe that everyone who sees it believes it. This is especially apparent in the segment highlighting fake news stories like "Congress will take over the Presidency". They have promulgated so many lies that they can't even tell what is believable any longer.

Blogger D. March 26, 2017 10:38 PM  

I like how Pelly has to walk his geriatric audience through electronic life of 2017.

Anonymous Moonbear March 26, 2017 10:40 PM  

Mike did exceptionally well, even so they managed to spin it, they are propaganda masters making Goebbels look like an amateur in comparison.
They did not even use anything he said to make him look bad, rather they associated him with people less reputable and good at managing the media, essentially making him look like just another fake news guy, just better at defending himself, you will notice they left in him calling himself a lawyer, most people don't associate lawyers with truthful people.
I think this reinforces the belief that you should never converse with these people.

Anonymous Stuff and things March 26, 2017 10:46 PM  

LOL!!! Reality just told me was not alive!

Blogger dh March 26, 2017 11:03 PM  

What I don't get is what Mike thought he'd gain. There doesn't seem to be much natural conversion rate from the 60 minutes audience to his own.

Anonymous Jack March 26, 2017 11:04 PM  

For decades, CBS' star reporter was Dan Rather. If you want to see fake news, watch his live-on-air description of the Zapruder film of the JFK assassination from 1963. And bear in mind that everyone had to take him at his word because the film was never seen by the public until 1975 because it was purchased by Life magazine and sealed in a vault.

Fake. News. Even if Cernovich was as bad as they're claiming, it's still the pot calling the kettle black.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPtJOLExXlY

Anonymous Samuree March 26, 2017 11:08 PM  

Cernovich: "I write because I believe it"

Not "because it's true.

He got Clinton's "parkensen's" wrong. He got Pizzagate wrong. And that's just the start.

It's not "fake news".

It's just lies.

Blogger Feather Blade March 26, 2017 11:13 PM  

@34 Samu-ree, Samu-rah, Samu-ree, Samu-ra-hee-ha-hee-ha-heehee

Blogger Buybuydandavis March 26, 2017 11:19 PM  

I think it's funny that 60Minutes tweeted this clip where Pelley gets smacked down by Cernovich. They really don't get it.

https://twitter.com/60Minutes/status/846150373551288320

They picked such a horrible episode to make an attack on FakeNews. Entirely points back at MSM.

For Months, MSM: HackingHillary is perfectly healthy
She faints on video, MSM: "We have always been at war with Pneumonia."

Anonymous Samuree March 26, 2017 11:19 PM  

Cernovich has that pasty goofball quality doesn't he. That loopy smile says, "He look over here, look over here, I'm dancing!!"

In this case, Vox was right. He shouldn't have gone on the show. He came off exactly like he didn't want to: As himself. 60 Minutes revealed a lying goofball.

Blogger Silly But True March 26, 2017 11:24 PM  

dh: "What I don't get is what Mike thought he'd gain. There doesn't seem to be much natural conversion rate from the 60 minutes audience to his own."

Could it occur that Mike is not interested in converting new audience to his own, but rather speaks to the sinking feeling that nearly everyone not hyperpartisan lefty feels in the pit of their stomach when they watch traditional media?

#sickhillary for example. Unless you're in the tank for Hillary, everyone knows that jig is up. It's good that Mike can reinforce that media lies and creates its own narratives and then tailors "news" around that.

Mike's purpose is the same as it ever was: he is a soldier in this culture war. So he's fighting the MSM narrative. And he knows to fight it on every front available.

Blogger F.D. Stephens March 26, 2017 11:25 PM  

I saw this nine-second video on Stefan's Twitter feed, an exchange over Hillary's "pneumonia" during the campaign.

I think Mike comes out of it looking pretty damned good.

Anonymous roo_ster March 26, 2017 11:27 PM  

"Here's another video of 60 Minutes overtime with Mike C. content at 3:07

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9UDlowykIU"

WTH?

60MinOT is interviewing their _own_ staff and presenting their scutboys' maunderings as "news?"

I refer to the pencil-necked Malcom Gladwell doppelganger at the youtube link above. So the gal interviewing pseudo-Gladwell--when she finishes her interview with the key grip--does she wrap it up with Pelley's cat's or his mom's or his dominatrix's take on the whole affair? "He came into my dungeon, frustrated and flustered. He insisted I discipline him severely, as he was unable to thoroughly wreck 'That Cernovich son of a bitch,' and had to make last-minute edits to the program before it went on air."

I was about to write, "You just can't make this stuff up." How naive on my part.

Anonymous Samuree March 26, 2017 11:30 PM  

Cernovich: "Pizzagate! Pizzagate!! ... It's true"

Everyone Else: "But there's no evidence"

Cernovich: "Evidence?? But I believe it."

Everyone Else: "What About Facts? There's no evidence to Pizzagate."

Cernovich: "But, But, But...(Loopy grin)...But I believe it, so it's true. Facts are for faggots!!"

You have to admit. The Alt Right does have strategy.

Blogger Diego Destiny March 26, 2017 11:30 PM  

No one who actually watches 60 minutes, and most of those have to be 50-60+, will believe Scott Pelley isn't telling the truth. The long intro and set up destroys Cernovich's credibility and frames the entire interview. The only people who would be skeptical of Pelley and be influenced by what Cernovich actually manages to get in the interview aren't watching 60 Minutes at all.

Ask someone under 50 how often they watch 60 Minutes and you'll get a blank stare. My oldest kids are in their 30s and if I asked them about 60 minutes they wouldn't know what the hell I was talking about.

So imo, this is a lose/lose. Cernovich gets introduced in the worst way possible to a demographic that previously had no opinion of him, do not understand the internet well, let alone twitter or bots and that audience will think he's a charlatan. The learning curve there is simply to steep to overcome even if the interview was less of a set up which it manifestly was not.

Blogger Silly But True March 26, 2017 11:34 PM  

OT kek: I have to believe there's room for serious black-knighting
http://www.wnd.com/2017/03/female-athletes-crushed-by-women-who-were-once-men/

If IOC ever drops chromosome testing, get ready for mediocre male athletes to become genderfluid so they begin raping gold medals ib womens' sports. And if IOC keeps up chromosone testing... who believes that; it's matter of time before they converge.

Blogger Elocutioner March 26, 2017 11:46 PM  

If you want to reach the 60 Minutes audience you ask them if, putting material wants aside, are your grandchildren having better childhoods than you had? Is society better off now than it was 50 years ago? What would your parents think of it? (50 years ago "poor" was something completely different)

Everybody wants to hand their children a better world than they received, and for the last few decades it has been degenerating rapidly. They have failed.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor March 26, 2017 11:59 PM  

Breaking a news story means you're taking a chance at getting the story wrong. And much of what Cernovich is being slammed for reporting hasn't been shown to be wrong, we just don't have all the evidence to back it up that we'd like to have.

Hillary is definitely sick and the pneumonia story was a lie. Maybe Parkinson's isn't quite right (or maybe it is) but it's in the ballpark. We don't have videos of the Podestas molesting kids inside of Comet Pizza, but we have enough to all be seriously creeped out by those people to the point that we would never leave a child alone with any of them.

Blogger M Cephas March 27, 2017 12:26 AM  

He did good. The only real chance they had to attack him was not during the actual interview, but when Cernovich wasn't there to defend himself. And at best they could just name call his articles as "nonsense".

The evidence for spirit cooking, pedophile rings, Clinton's health problems, was all there, in Wikileaks and other sources, even video evidence.

They only had him respond to the Clinton health problem, because they had the excuse of "pneumonia" put out by the campaign. But from what I saw, they didn't let him respond to the stuff about spirit cooking or pizzagate. My guess is because they know they wouldn't have an excuse for that. He would just say what Wikileaks gave mention to.

Blogger Cecil Henry March 27, 2017 12:27 AM  

The MSM is always going to distort the discussion to fit their narrative. You have to be very aggressive, crafty, personable and prepared to win.


It looks like a draw to me, which isn't bad. They are only trying to talk to you because you are perceived as a threat.

But the inherent smugness, unreflective self-satisfaction, and condescension is really galling.

They can't see their naked motivations which are so evident.

Anonymous DeeJay March 27, 2017 12:30 AM  

Haven't seen the interview, but if a good chunk of it was indeed devoted to Hillary, then it was a bad idea. It only gives the now-permanently butthurt Dems/MSM new material for their ever continuing 'Trump Stole The White House From Madam President Using Leet Russian H4qu3rs!' fan-fiction.

FFS, it's been nearly six months since the election. Apart from future criminal proceedings against her, nobody on the right should really be talking about Hillary anymore.

Anonymous Samuree March 27, 2017 12:33 AM  

Noah, you have no insight into Clinton's Health. And some of us think Trump is creepy. But that doesn't mean accuse him of molesting Children.

Cernovich is a straight up lie monger. There is no other way to describe it.

Blogger Koanic March 27, 2017 12:33 AM  

Looks like a pretty credible shot at 60 Minutes' brand.

They care about the youth audience, right?

Good luck with that.

Blogger Koanic March 27, 2017 12:35 AM  

"60 Minutes" makes me feel tired just thinking about it.

I have to agree: all the people who might've been alienated are on AOL and Social Security.

Not a long-term problem.

Anonymous Precious March 27, 2017 12:46 AM  

Some if us think Trump is creepy

Save it for someone who cares.

Cenovich is a straight up lie monger.

No that would be Hillary Clinton.

Anonymous Samuree March 27, 2017 12:48 AM  

It's hard to imagine why people who watch 60 Minutes wouldn't be interested in Cernovich's tales of Parkinson's addled presidential candidates, aliens controlling the Fed, pedophile pizza parlors and Elvis' fake death.

Blogger Amaryllis March 27, 2017 12:50 AM  

Not counting the trolls, why are some people so defeatist about his appearance? He came off looking good. At the most cynical, it was a draw, but realistically, 'why would you trust the campaign?' was an amazing shot (especially considering it's something they left IN). It's the kind of line people will remember. Anyone who isn't an absurdly brainwashed hyper-leftist will have seen him come off as an earnest, energetic guy who wasn't put off by a veteran host's questions.

And really, his stature among the chronically out-of-touch 60+ crowd (the only people in the world who still unwaveringly trust the MSM) is irrelevant. He isn't running for political office, where their busybody votes might add up, and those people aren't doing much on the internet other than sharing annoying posts on facebook. I assume his appearance was a combination of have fun + generate interest + 'look how daring I am!' marketing. It seems to have been successful on all fronts to me.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 27, 2017 12:51 AM  

Mike knows the audience is a handful of despondent Boomers waiting to die, and that one of his periscopes gets more eyes on it than a show I thought had been off the air for at least a decade.

I think it was a safe test of whatever he is testing. 60 minutes hasn't driven the Narrative for a long time, and Mike is doing a media autopsy.

I didn't see it, but I really doubt he was going to get hurt by a show with no serious metrics. I bet he learned a lot about some strategies he can use later to bait the bigger players into nuking themselves.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 27, 2017 12:53 AM  

There is more evidence for Pizzagate than there is for "Russians hacked muh lection".
Not equivalent, more.
Epstein is known to have hosted pedo parties at his private island. Pled guilty. This is KNOWN and ADJUDICATED. There can be no doubt. Mossad blackmail is a presumption, but the most rational explanation.

Epstein also hosted Bill and Hillary (separately) multiple times at parties on his private island. This is documented.

This is what is known as "evidence".

Anonymous Precious March 27, 2017 12:56 AM  

It's hard to imagine why people who watch 60 minutes wouldn't be interested in Cernovich's tales

Maybe you are right Samuree, maybe they would prefer to have Hillary on to tell them how she is so far ahead of Trump she doesn't even think about him as she campaigns for President, her latest excuse for her Benghazi blunder, how her head injury made her lose track of her email and wrap up the interview with Hillary frothing at the mouth over her latest Putin conspiracy theory.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky March 27, 2017 1:01 AM  

Jeez. I guess this is why Mike is Mike, and most of the commenters are commenters.

The 60 Minutes audience is not a bunch of geriatrics exclusively. 60 Minutes actually holds its own in the 25-54 demo, the only one that counts to the networks, and that is why it is still on the air. It even breaks the top 10 in Nielsen weekly ratings with some regularity.

Yet, even if the 60 Minutes audience were exactly as many here assume, then you'd be talking about an audience that's been watching the show for forty years. And you think these guys aren't hip to the 60 Minutes game? That they unquestionably believe everything 60 Minutes metes out? Because that always worked before?

Sheesh. Give Mike some credit. Give the 60 Minutes audience some credit. Mike went on there to reach out to them and make connections.

I think he made some.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 27, 2017 1:03 AM  

Danger and Play has a greater media impact than 60 Mins. Mike knows this. So, he is obviously quasi A/B testing his B Narrative at the website vs. The A Narrative at the "big" television show that no one is watching.

The B test wins on two fronts: first, it is a better Narrative and more based in the truth and second, its very existence proves the old lie wrong: that MSM like 60 mins provides the only Narrative possible.

It is kind of metatextual, but Mike's gifted enough to pull it off. Scott Adams did something similar because it made him laugh.

There are not many people like either of those two.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop March 27, 2017 1:04 AM  

First impressions, haven't gone through all of it.

Cernovich: Do I really think that you guys are gonna tell the story that I would like to have told? No. Your story’s going to be here’s a guy, spreads fake news, uses social media, these social media people better … I know the story you guys are doing before you do it.

Pelley: What’s wrong with that story?


Bang. Right there. Will future historians call the tipping point- from the hierarchical, MSM, psywar broadcast model to the 4GW network model- the Cernovich Moment?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 27, 2017 1:07 AM  

And Hillary is OBVIOUSLY suffering from a neuro-muscular disorder. If you've spent any time around people with Lupus, MS or Parkinson's, the symptoms, coping strategies and accommodations literally jump out at you. It might not be Parkinson's. It might be ALS, or MS, or Myasthenia, or stroke-related brain damage, but it is definitely there.

Take a look at a few things. Find a video of her standing in the last 12 months where she's NOT holding on to a support to steady herself, or walking without a railing, or an arm to lean on. Find a video of her sitting WITHOUT extra stability support, in the form of a high-backed armchair or a LOT of pillows. Note the blue glasses, used to reduce vision in one eye to allow reading when you can't co-ordinate the eyes.

I'm sure this doesn't count as evidence either.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 27, 2017 1:07 AM  

I would add that I personally wish jokers like Scott and Mike would stop toying around with the fake news for their amusement, only because it in some small way keeps the old lying bastards on cultural life support. I say let them starve first, then you can dissect their corpses later.

But, hey, if they are having fun I guess that is something.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 27, 2017 1:15 AM  

Ok, who here has watched 60 minutes before this, ever?

I question the 24 - 54 demographic viewers. Got Neilsen numbers?

Anonymous JAG March 27, 2017 1:16 AM  

Mark wrote:Even when Pelley described Cerno's pieces, he used adjectives like "bogus", "false", and "inaccurate" as if Pelley was the ultimate and indisputable arbiter of truth.

I particularly liked the exchange over Clintons seizure where Pelley thought that simply stating the the pronouncement "pneumonia" was enough to make Mike abandon his allegations and run scurrying for cover behind some fake bush. "How do you know pneumonia?" MIke posits. "Uh, uh, what do you mean how do I know?!" As if the papal bull issued by the Clinton campaign was somehow as infallible as any episode of 60 Minutes!


Classic Appeal to Authority fallacy, one of the left's favorite fallacies.

Anonymous Eric the Red March 27, 2017 1:19 AM  

Bald assertions, wishful thinking, fantasy narratives, subconscious projection: Thy Name is Leftist.

OpenID crashfwlm March 27, 2017 1:24 AM  

I got a laugh. I hadn't watched 60 minutes in 30 years or more but tonight a lightbulb went off over my

From SJW's Always lie

Locate or Create a Violation of the Narrative.
Point and Shriek.
Isolate and Swarm.
Reject and Transform.
Press for Surrender.
Appeal to Amenable Authority.
Show Trial.
Victory Parade

That's exactly the format of the old the 60 minutes.
1. Find someone doing something that could be construed as questionable
2-3 Point/Isoloate swarm (this is their ambush interview where they would have a news crew battering someone outside their home)
4. Reject and transform Nuff said
5-8 All in one go and the apology might come later, but either way appeal to their viewers and victory parade in one shot.

60 minutes was the original how to manual for purple haired nutcases.

OpenID crash March 27, 2017 1:25 AM  

ahh that should have read lightbulb went off over my head.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky March 27, 2017 1:31 AM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Ok, who here has watched 60 minutes before this, ever?

I question the 24 - 54 demographic viewers. Got Neilsen numbers?


Well, here's last weeks numbers:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-ratings-march-madness-drives-cbs-sunday-lifts-60-minutes-987327

My best source for other data is the Futon Critic:

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 27, 2017 1:37 AM  

This has probably been linked before, if so sorry.

National Review Cucks to Baptists - help Islam because "religious freedumb".

The rhetoric is breathtakingly stupid. "If you don't help them build Mosques they might not like you later".

For NRO, the future is being depantsed in mid high gym class, over and over, forever. The sooner that org goes bankrupt, the better.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 27, 2017 1:39 AM  

@Feather Blade

"Samu-ree,"

What was it that triggered him (Or his employers) so much?

I tend to think that it was the repeated mentions of Crooked Hillary collapsing into her own footprint at free fall speed...

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 27, 2017 1:39 AM  

@67
Thanks, I'm just a little confused because both Arbitron and Neilsen show very few cable viewers under 50 or off-air viewers under 40. So how would the 24 - 40's be watching 60 min.? Streaming?

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 27, 2017 1:41 AM  

Well, let's just test something.

Crooked Hillary is sick, very, very sick.

Blogger Thurston Pilgrim March 27, 2017 1:50 AM  

OT but things I think would make good discussion:
1. Bioware creates Pink Space RPG with latest game (and employs racist kebab)
2. Alex Jones claims big news on Pizzagate, then issues apology to Alefantis. WTFart?

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 27, 2017 1:51 AM  

@72

Who still pays attention to Captain Cheetoes, dude?

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky March 27, 2017 1:53 AM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:@67

I have no idea, bro. I am not an expert in this area. I'm an intrigued outsider. Wherever you look, the powers that be in media distribution are in crisis. Television, radio, musical recordings, books -- all are in crazy flux.

Vox is the best guy here to answer that, having made a go of book publishing. But all the old revenue models, and with them the measures of revenue models, are in crisis.



Thanks, I'm just a little confused because both Arbitron and Neilsen show very few cable viewers under 50 or off-air viewers under 40. So how would the 24 - 40's be watching 60 min.? Streaming?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 27, 2017 1:54 AM  

OK, maybe I was wrong. Samuree actually seems to be more concerned about Podesta the Molesta than about Hillary's collapse, though both seem to be significant issues. This tells us two things:

1. That Crooked Hillary still has retains some sort of political ambitions, despite her obvious decrepitude, and

2. Pizzagate is bigger than we thought.

Thanks

Blogger Koanic March 27, 2017 1:59 AM  

> Give the 60 Minutes audience some credit.

The last sentients to watch 60 Minutes were Baby Boomers. But 45 Minutes can replace their steady attrition to dementia by partnering to broadcast in commercial poultry barns, if mystery meats and sedentary housewives lose interest in grave Jew propadrama.

I suppose someone has to deliver information at the speed of speech, tastefully interspersed with advertiser weapons of mass distraction, to encourage moral reflection and civic virtue.

We are fortunate the major corporations are so dedicated to the informed consent of the governed, that they sponsor our education! Otherwise these courageous rebels might pursue their prophet's lonely path in penury. If only CBS had existed in Jesus' day, he could've scored a multi-million contract with riders instead of humping his own cross to Golgotha. Let's show our gratitude by putting our faith in Wolf Blitzer's journalistic ethics.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 27, 2017 2:00 AM  

@75
You remind me that Crooked Hillary hasn't really been seen much since November. Some contrived "accidental" shopping expeditions and Bigfoot-like encounters with fans in New York. Low profile, right?

Not out and about with Web Hubbell's daughter, not out defending something or other in public. Kinda reclusive. Like an invalid.

Maybe i'm wrong and just didn't notice it.

Test:
Pizzagate pizzagate pizzagate: there's something there.

Blogger tim March 27, 2017 2:01 AM  

You're not a sammy warrior. You're fake when you look at your eyes

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable March 27, 2017 2:30 AM  

dh wrote:What I don't get is what Mike thought he'd gain. There doesn't seem to be much natural conversion rate from the 60 minutes audience to his own.

I suspect he just thought it would be fun.

Blogger tim March 27, 2017 2:57 AM  

You're not a sammy warrior. You're fake when you look at your eyes

Anonymous Difster March 27, 2017 3:40 AM  

Of course the piece doesn't actually cover the fake news from CNN, etc., but the only people that are going take it seriously are the senior citizens at home watching it that have been lapping up the media piss for the last 40 years anyway and have no intention of changing.

Blogger VD March 27, 2017 3:49 AM  

So imo, this is a lose/lose.

You have it backwards. It's not Mike's demo. So, no matter how it went, he wouldn't lose anything, and he gets the benefit of ticking off another "major media figure" checkbox. It was a no-lose situation.

Anonymous Look over there! A dry ice factory! March 27, 2017 3:52 AM  

People who lose major elections after lengthy political careers are traditionally supposed to shut up and go home. Obama should shut up and go home.

What we're really seeing, even from this 60 minutes prick, is the left peeing their pants because they thought they had permanently defeated evil white men but it turns out they woke the proverbial sleeping giant.

Anonymous Petr March 27, 2017 3:54 AM  

Cernovich is a man without a message.

Anonymous Look over there! A dry ice factory! March 27, 2017 3:56 AM  

I cant tell whether it was a win or a lose, but it looked a lot like a giant badminton match of "I know you are but what am I?"

Blogger Sillon Bono March 27, 2017 4:01 AM  

Thomas wrote:Hunter Wallace recently wrote up an article detailing Mike's homosexual anal fetish involving Asian transvestites.

He is a very sick man whom should be treated for mental illness.


Exactly the same as the piece Jake Turx wrote in the New York Times about your drug and alcohol abuses.

Anonymous Looking Glass March 27, 2017 4:05 AM  

1.7 Demo isn't great for Network TV, but it's enough to interest Cernovich. His audience has very little cross over, so if he hits his points well, he can interest a few people. You'd be amazed what Network Effects can do. One Redpill breaking through can shift entire social networks because they can see that something is wrong.

Good chunk of risk, in total, but low downside to his main audience with lots of upside. It'll also drive his main detractors nuts (bonus points), while normalizing his objectives. Bad call by 60 Minutes to try to fit Cernovich into their narrative, as he's clearly ready to not play by it.

Anonymous Eric the Red March 27, 2017 5:14 AM  

The Leftist therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

The Leftist saith unto him, What is truth?

Blogger Duke Norfolk March 27, 2017 6:40 AM  

Look over there! A dry ice factory! wrote:What we're really seeing, even from this 60 minutes prick, is the left peeing their pants because they thought they had permanently defeated evil white men but it turns out they woke the proverbial sleeping giant.

Yep, that's it in a nut shell. The best boiled down thesis for why we're seeing such an unhinged reaction from the left.

They thought they had the future in the bag with the demo trend. They were crowing about it incessantly beforehand, and then afterwards pointed out how white women betrayed them, etc.

It's all unraveling, and they had so many plans. It just occurs to me that it's very much like a woman who's life doesn't turn out like she'd dreamed. Instead of dealing with the reality they melt down and blame everybody else. (I've lived this one with my wife, so maybe that's my bias.)

Blogger Mark March 27, 2017 6:55 AM  

Not many go out of their say anymore to catch 60 Minutes - true that!
But, as fate would have it, many were tuned in to that instant classic NCAA tourney tilt (NC vs Kentucky) and Mike fell right into their laps!

Anonymous basementhomebrewer March 27, 2017 7:16 AM  

Mike did pretty well. I wish he had done a little more research on Pelley and had something to throw in his face when he said "I do it all the time! (find the truth)". If he had 3-4 stories that Pelley had reported on that turned out to be false to throw in his face it would have been perfect. That being said, it would have likely ended up on the editing room floor if he took that tact with him.

Blogger Front toward enemy March 27, 2017 7:25 AM  

Can slamming us over 60 year olds stop? I was "woke" already in the last century. We oldies voted TGE into office, no? Pepe, Kek, etc.

Anonymous Roundtine March 27, 2017 8:14 AM  

People who create fake news to make money: NYTimes, WaPo, NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS...

Anonymous RC March 27, 2017 8:22 AM  

@Front

You may well be a snowflake but your generation (mine too) was and is indefensible. Let it go. It's pointless.

Blogger William Hudson March 27, 2017 8:26 AM  

Twenty years ago, I had not yet hit 50. Even then, I knew that 60 Minutes was bullshit. Do you young fuckers really think I've gotten that stupid now approaching 70?

I sympathize with anyone dealing with senility, but those people are not the majority of seniors. As I told you in a different thread, I remember "helicopter rides" for the V.C. in 'Nam before any of you ever heard of Pinochet.

If I go ahead and admit that most people my age are still taking blue pills, will you at least admit that a shitload of Millennials are sucking down plenty of the snowflake kool-aid?

Blogger tuberman March 27, 2017 8:36 AM  

81.
"Of course the piece doesn't actually cover the fake news from CNN, etc., but the only people that are going take it seriously are the senior citizens at home watching it that have been lapping up the media piss for the last 40 years anyway and have no intention of changing."

A few do change, some quickly, others slowly. I often meet with about 8-10 Boomers at McD's to play chess, and none of these people voted for HRC, and 8 of the 10 swore they voted for Trump, yet their passiveness usually remains. I only talked one of these people into doing searches online for the truth. They sit and watch CNN with a sneer, but continue to watch, calling CNN people liars all the time.

There are more Boomers on here, and on places like CTH that are at least part-way red pilled then you know, some intensely red pilled. To me, it's all about first the survival, then the renewal of Western Civilization. Sure, I'd like to live a few mor years, but I want real civilization to move people forward. It's going to go through a very brutal time, but it will come back stronger than ever. WE plant or new trees.

Blogger Student in Blue March 27, 2017 8:38 AM  

Related clip from the Simpsons, when it used to be relevant.

Blogger Diego Destiny March 27, 2017 8:40 AM  

VD wrote:So imo, this is a lose/lose.

You have it backwards. It's not Mike's demo. So, no matter how it went, he wouldn't lose anything, and he gets the benefit of ticking off another "major media figure" checkbox. It was a no-lose situation.


Fair enough. You both know more about the media and marketing than most people.

Anonymous TS March 27, 2017 8:43 AM  

"What has become of Milo?"

He's still about - http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/milo-yiannopoulos-at-uw-a-speech-a-shooting-and-75000-in-police-overtime/

Anonymous TS March 27, 2017 8:45 AM  

Oops that was January.

Anonymous RevDanTheMan March 27, 2017 8:47 AM  

Mike was great. He looked professional (not like a dirty, internet, basement person), was able to communicate he is a lawyer (demonstrating to the old 60 minutes audience his executive experience...the old timers love that), was able to hold his own with a positive Alpha body language position (which is picked up by every viewers subconscious), AND, most importantly, Mike will be able to splash "as seen on 60 Minutes" on his next book. THAT is powerful persuasion to the Millennial Generation and up (on a sliding scale).

Blogger Cail Corishev March 27, 2017 9:00 AM  

Yet, even if the 60 Minutes audience were exactly as many here assume, then you'd be talking about an audience that's been watching the show for forty years. And you think these guys aren't hip to the 60 Minutes game? That they unquestionably believe everything 60 Minutes metes out?

If the ones I know are typical, yes, they pretty much do, and no, they aren't hip to how dishonest the show is. That's why they watch it. Oh, sure, if you press them on it, they'll admit it has a bias, or they'll be aware of once or twice that the show got caught lying. But in general, they think it's well-intentioned and trying to get at the truth. Sunday evening after Sunday evening, they sit down and absorb the Narrative it sends out with little resistance, even if they think they're skeptical.

Blogger Cail Corishev March 27, 2017 9:06 AM  

If there's a negative here, it's probably that a bunch of people Vox finally convinced not to talk to the media will say, "Wait, see, it is good to talk to the media, as long as you do it right. I knew it! Bring on the cameras!"

Blogger Johnny March 27, 2017 9:09 AM  

The path to the red pill for me was when I started to notice that the news seemed less reliable in those areas where I was well informed. That is step one. Step two was the realization that if they were not fooling me in the areas where I was well informed, then they must be fooling me in the areas where I was not well informed. The final stage was the realization that being uninformed was less damaging than being ill informed, so I selected ignorance over propaganda and stopped paying attention.

Blogger Student in Blue March 27, 2017 9:19 AM  

Could someone explain slowly and simply what's the difference between "don't talk to media" and what Mike did here? Generally there's that caveat of 'unless you're stupidly gifted like Trump' and even then you can get burned.

Vox mentioned that it wasn't his normal demographic, but is that the only difference?

Anonymous RatDog March 27, 2017 9:46 AM  

Total and complete victory for Cernovich. He had his website with logo and juicy quotes plastered all over 60 Minutes. Free publicity. He just did what Trump did during election season.

Anonymous Jeff March 27, 2017 9:55 AM  

@40 - I refer to the pencil-necked Malcom Gladwell doppelganger

Good eye, sir!

Blogger frigger611 March 27, 2017 10:27 AM  

I think overall it's a win for MC, in this way: By insisting that he records the interview as well, in full, it made CBS actually temper their own report a bit. They knew they could not get away with blatant lies. This is a good model. Media interviews must be done with a Cold War sense of "mutually assured destruction."

I wish Mike had rather framed the interview with "fake news has always been with us, let's start with NBC strapping bombs to trucks and calling hem 'unsafe,' and move forward to the lies trumpeted by every network that the Benghazi attack was over an obscure video."

60 Minutes of course framed and edited the story in such a way to say that they (big corporate news corporations)are high priests of truth, and only bloggers commit errors. Errors are forgivable. Intentionally exploding trucks and intentionally spreading lies from a DNC script are orders of magnitude worse.

Anonymous Greywrath March 27, 2017 11:00 AM  

@35 - I guess only old farts like me would get your musical reference. Amusing.

Anonymous Viiidad March 27, 2017 11:08 AM  

I called my Dad this morning and asked if he had seen 60 Minutes. He had. Now he knows who Mike Cernovich is, which he never would have found online. I didn't see it, but sounds like a win to me.

Anonymous fop March 27, 2017 11:18 AM  

He had one good kill shot - when he asked Pelley how he knew Hillary had pneumonia.

"Well, the campaign told us."

That pretty much sums up the level of curiosity of the most hard hitting investigative journalism show on TV.

Blogger slarrow March 27, 2017 11:21 AM  

@105, I think that Vox's message of "don't talk to the media" has do with one's message. It does no good to talk to the media if you want to advance your agenda because they will distort your message and turn you into a prop for their narrative.

Thing is, Cernovich didn't really go on there to promote a particular message. He did it to increase his personal brand exposure. The answer he can give to the question "Who is Mike Cernovich?" is "Author and filmmaker profiled in the New Yorker and on 60 Minutes". Recall that Mike's mantra is "Too Big To Ignore". This exposure plays into Mike's purpose in a way that it wouldn't if Mike was actually trying to convince everyone that CBS is Fake News (he has his website and Twitter for that.)

From the persuasion standpoint (as Scott Adams would grade it), Mike did great. He looked good--well dressed, skin looked good (either natural or makeup--important since Mike has skin problems), eyes particularly sharp--and people are visual animals. 60 Minutes also made the mistake of opening and closing with Mike, and he and Adams would tell you that people are predisposed to remember those opening/closing moments. The stuff in the middle wasn't as memorable, especially when Mike called them on it at the end.

I rate it an overwhelming win for Mike, especially since it seemed clear to me that the subtext wasn't about undermining Mike but about undermining PizzaGate.

Anonymous fop March 27, 2017 11:26 AM  

The rest was just a hot mess. I agree with frigger611. Cernovich should have gone completely on offense - call out the likes of Dan Rather and Brian Williams and dig up some dirt on Pelley himself. Then release his own edited version on twitter to make Pelley look like a complete ass. Instead, Mike just played defense most of the time. Lame.

Blogger glad2meetyou March 27, 2017 11:34 AM  

I caught some of this interview by accident while at the gym. I think Cernovich came off well, despite the terrible frame. That even the quotes 60 minutes chose to air were strong (eg when Cernovich said he wouldn't be anyone else's mouthpiece) tells me that the whole interview probably did not go their way.

Blogger Student in Blue March 27, 2017 11:36 AM  

@slarrow
It does no good to talk to the media if you want to advance your agenda because they will distort your message and turn you into a prop for their narrative.

This explanation makes a lot of sense, since that's also the tack that Trump and Milo generally take with the media. And if I'm understanding this correctly, Richard Spencer hasn't had the best luck with the media because he tacitly accepted the media's image of himself. At the very least, he's never tried to push against the media's branding of him because he imagines he can re-brand those ugly words into something nice.

Anonymous Avalanche March 27, 2017 11:55 AM  

@83 " Obama should shut up and go home."

Obama should shut up and go home TO AFRICA.

FIFY

Blogger tuberman March 27, 2017 2:12 PM  

116.

O'Muslim should just go home to Hell.

Blogger Matamoros March 27, 2017 3:48 PM  

‘Shamefully Stupid’: CBS’s Scott Pelley Loses a Fight Rigged in His Favor

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/03/27/fake-news-cbs-scott-pelley-loses-a-fight-rigged-in-his-favor/

Blogger Koanic March 27, 2017 7:23 PM  

> Can slamming us over 60 year olds stop? I was "woke" already in the last century.

Sure, as soon as you restore our national inheritance.

I am glad to hear that some of you refuse to die as defeated old cowards lingering in your beds of shame.

Anonymous Rebel Android March 27, 2017 10:03 PM  

60 Minutes isn't news, they're storytellers, as is mainstream news. Mike always struck me as an alt-right version of Cable news - obsessed with breaking it first, great at distracting mouth breathers, but ultimately highly questionable. Risky stock.

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