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Tuesday, March 07, 2017

Group-thinking is not smarter

Researchers debunk the idea that diversity makes groups more intelligent or more effective:
What allows groups to behave intelligently? One suggestion is that groups exhibit a collective intelligence accounted for by number of women in the group, turn-taking and emotional empathizing, with group-IQ being only weakly-linked to individual IQ (Woolley, Chabris, Pentland, Hashmi, & Malone, 2010). Here we report tests of this model across three studies with 312 people. Contrary to prediction, individual IQ accounted for around 80% of group-IQ differences. Hypotheses that group-IQ increases with number of women in the group and with turn-taking were not supported. Reading the mind in the eyes (RME) performance was associated with individual IQ, and, in one study, with group-IQ factor scores. However, a well-fitting structural model combining data from studies 2 and 3 indicated that RME exerted no influence on the group-IQ latent factor (instead having a modest impact on a single group test). The experiments instead showed that higher individual IQ enhances group performance such that individual IQ determined 100% of latent group-IQ. Implications for future work on group-based achievement are examined.
This falls into the category of science confirming common sense. Women and gamma males, both of whom tend to be obsessed with rules and process, almost invariably get in the way of the smart individuals who drive accomplishment. Sounding boards are useful, but they are vastly overrated, particularly by the kind of people who are incapable of fulfilling a proactive role themselves.

Anyone can critique an idea or offer a nonsensical spin on it. In most cases, it is not "helping" to do so, but distracting, if not demoralizing. That is one reason why I crack down hard on those whose immediate reaction to any announcement is to try to come up with an alternative or an improvement.

My rule of thumb is this: if someone doesn't explicitly ask me what I think about something, I try to avoid telling them what I think about it. "Congratulations" or "I hope it goes well" is by far the most useful thing you can tell anyone who tells you about a new idea or a new product.

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122 Comments:

Anonymous Looking Glass March 07, 2017 8:52 AM  

The original cited researchers were clearly idiots and have never been around any group of any intelligence. Lowest Common Denominator effect is real if you've ever been around people below you in mental speed at the task.

Blogger Salt March 07, 2017 9:03 AM  

a collective intelligence accounted for by number of women in the group

Most of the women I know, if to be in a working-group, prefer to be solo. Two at most else nothing gets done.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 07, 2017 9:06 AM  

Mr. Thompson offers an interesting discussion of the vehemence with which this non-replication of prior "art" was met.

A lot of people's oxen were gored here.

In a high and rising, even manic social mood, people believe what then need to believe and rationalize what they need to rationalize in order to act as they feel impelled to act (by their pre-cognitive impulses influenced by social mood.)

Universalism was a direct consequence of maniacally high social mood. Among many things, it requires rejection of people's differences, and embrace of "group IQ" was a way to ignore the extraordinary and unchanging importance of very bright, very talented individuals.

As we transition to a declining social mood, all the prior rationalizations for Universalist impulses will fall by the wayside. First to go will be the LIES that underpinned those rationalizations, but if I'm correct, eventually a whole new set of LIES will emerge to rationalize the impulses driven by a vast decline in social mood.

It remains fads, all the way down. Appearances to the contrary are but temporary artifacts and coincidences.

Blogger MrPaules March 07, 2017 9:10 AM  

Civilization has advanced over the millennia due to the ideas of a relatively small group of visionaries. Left to themselves this small cadre will give you ancient Greece or Renaissance Italy. As soon as you turn the process over to a committee, you get the Soviet Union or its like. When genius is at work, the best the common man can do is get the hell out of the way.

Blogger JACIII March 07, 2017 9:11 AM  

Filed under "sky is blue", subfile " grass is green"

It is criminal what university does to people.

Anonymous JC NRA March 07, 2017 9:14 AM  

Does this mean you're not going to change the blog color theme to purple tomorrow?

https://www.internationalwomensday.com/Theme

Blogger haus frau March 07, 2017 9:16 AM  

Interesting. I remember throughout my public school experience, elementary through high school, how much emphasis was placed on forcing kids to work in groups on various reports and presentations. I hated it and felt it was pointless torment then and now wonder what was the real goal anyway. Most of those assignments were completed by one, maybe two students no matter how many were assigned to the group. I assume now that such forced group work is assigned based on the same mode of thinking as diversity progaganda, that forced cooperation between students will somehow magically make them appreciate eachother.

Blogger Yarnwinder March 07, 2017 9:22 AM  

Interesting. So the first action of any group is to set up The Rules. It is emphasized that The Rules are Very Important and woe betide any who break them.

So this article is saying that The Rules are meaningless except as a means for ostracizing or removing group members that possibly shouldn't be in the group to begin with?

Sounds like the way bureaucracies work. Interesting

Anonymous Eduardo March 07, 2017 9:28 AM  

So I guess Kanye will not be there to see you receive a prize huh?

Anonymous BBGKB March 07, 2017 9:28 AM  

I remember a story of a bunch of black airline pilots promoted so they no longer flew who demanded to participate in big business decisions. Its not bad enough they take up token position salaries but you have to entertain bad ideas as well. I knew a black head nurse with purple hair that would always want to socially chat extending morning report past when the night shift would be getting overtime.

The Dutch version of survivor had women laying about eating up all their food while they waited to come to a cuntcensus about what work to do
http://www.returnofkings.com/32053/this-accidental-experiment-shows-the-superiority-of-patriarchy

Anonymous Viiidad March 07, 2017 9:29 AM  

"Women and gamma males, both of whom tend to be obsessed with rules and process, almost invariably get in the way of the smart individuals who drive accomplishment."

Oh heck yes. I would also add bosses who need to manage everything.

Anonymous Viiidad March 07, 2017 9:30 AM  

JC NRA wrote:Does this mean you're not going to change the blog color theme to purple tomorrow?


Not unless Prince comes back from the dead.

Blogger Sheila4g March 07, 2017 9:30 AM  

One part of the 2nd level testing for the Foreign Service (at least back when I did it) was a group debate/discussion on a policy proposal. I went out of my way to be a "team player" and didn't challenge or argue much. My scores on that one exercise were lower, noting I was too passive. Although I got accepted anyway on my overall performance with my first attempt, prior to being offered a position I decided to do the whole thing again, to see if I could improve my scores/chances. The second time I was much more assertive in the group exercise, and got marked down again, for being too confrontational. Heads they win, tails you lose.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer March 07, 2017 9:33 AM  

Congratulations" or "I hope it goes well" is by far the most useful thing you can tell anyone who tells you about a new idea or a new product.

Most people's reaction to anything really new is disparagement. People fear and loathe change and will do just about anything to avoid it, no matter how much it is needed.

Hence, the state of the West right now.

Blogger Cail Corishev March 07, 2017 9:34 AM  

"Hypotheses that group-IQ increases with number of women in the group"

Someone actually thought that adding women to a group would raise the group's IQ -- not its kindness or sociability or productivity in some way, but its IQ? Good grief.

Blogger Some Dude March 07, 2017 9:38 AM  

That's very wise. Its taken me sometime to realise that now matter how insightful, you are best left letting other's take risks and make mistakes.

The one exception is existential risks. If someone invites a rapefugee into their home and they have kids, I will say something, or talk to the husband if its natural.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr March 07, 2017 9:40 AM  

I've found that most people pushing group thinking aren't very good at thinking. They want someone else to do the heavy lifting, then swoop in at the end and take credit.

Blogger MrPaules March 07, 2017 9:41 AM  

Interesting. I remember throughout my public school experience, elementary through high school, how much emphasis was placed on forcing kids to work in groups . . .

The purpose of public school is to teach compliance. That's as true for students as it is for faculty. Once the process is fully entrenched, the administration can then loot the lion's share of resources for itself.

Blogger Some Dude March 07, 2017 9:41 AM  

BBKGB

In general, people from races with no track record in the history books, will not add to your group unless they have been thorouhgly vetted.

The genetics just don't support it. Their home nations suck for a reason. Its not like adding a Fiat punto chassis and engine onto a Ferrari makes it better.

This 'diversity' thinking is knowingly retarded. That's why I see its a conspiracy. This stuff would be self evident to anyone living pre 1965.

Anonymous AT March 07, 2017 9:42 AM  

Back in the day, I was in a college class that was split into about 10 sex-segregated groups to play a turn based computer simulation game (marketing and product production/pricing). The professor accidentally placed me in a group with 5 women; we were the only mixed sex group. By our second meeting I was the "leader" as voluntarily acknowledged by the other group members. After a few rounds of experimentation the game parameters were pretty clear and I pushed to go all-in with a winning strategy in the last couple of rounds. The girls thought that was too "risky". Every single one of them was opposed despite each of my previous recommendations working out well, so we went half-in and finished in second place. We were the only "girl" team in the top 5. The professor had run this simulation for several years, and I wanted to ask him about the male vs female winning percentage over time but never did. He was a pretty conservative guy and I'm sure he was doing it as a social experiment.

Blogger Dr Caveman March 07, 2017 9:46 AM  

So that study confirms what everyone here already knew: affirmative action to increase diversity is detrimental because you are bringing down group IQ in order to increase group melanin levels

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 07, 2017 9:47 AM  

Women and gamma males, both of whom tend to be obsessed with rules and process, almost invariably get in the way of the smart individuals who drive accomplishment.

I hadn't really thought of it in terms of generality before but you are absolutely right.

Just in terms of individual times when I'd start ramrodding a project and suddenly Jimmy Nebbish starts waving his hand in the air frantically, while blurting out, "wait a minute! Wait a minute! Before we do that shouldn't we first establish a set of rules for..."

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 07, 2017 9:49 AM  

The Left does feminine group think, the Right spent decades listen to Foghorn Leghorn conservative intellectuals tell us what it all meant (the cure for insomnia). A true symbiotic relationship of doom for Western man, hopefully that is over.

Blogger Peter Jackson March 07, 2017 9:54 AM  

It's clear to any thinking person that "diversity is our strength" and similar nonsense is a creation of the religious left, and not based in any fact or reality.

I propose a new catchphrase: Homogeneity is our strength.

Blogger Mr. Buford March 07, 2017 9:54 AM  

Theodore Roosevelt summed up what has been known by every military leader since antiquity, "Councils of war never fight." Group think reinforces those in the group who choose to avoid action, while heightening the likelihood that those who will take action second-guess their decisions or are overruled by the group.

Blogger Cail Corishev March 07, 2017 9:55 AM  

The original cited researchers were clearly idiots and have never been around any group of any intelligence.

Yes, apparently they've never been involved in any kind of innovation, or even a good brainstorming session.

Innovation in a group comes when the members are on the same level and like-minded, so they can advance from a common foundation, and each can understand the ideas as quickly as others toss them out, without needing to stop for explanations. You feed on each other, sort of filling in the gaps and leapfrogging on each other's thoughts. It's not common, and I doubt it happens with groups of more than a few. With a larger group, there would be too much diversity of thinking power and patterns, and you'd break out of the zone too often to make sure everyone is keeping up.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 07, 2017 9:56 AM  

The social sciences really should do more Narrative-breaking science. Yes, it will rarely be anything more than social observation and common sense, but I think it serves a modest purpose; one certainly not replicated by mundane "breakthroughs" that apologize for inequality.

Blogger JRH, esq. March 07, 2017 9:56 AM  

I learned this in the arcade in the 80s playing Gauntlet. You only get to move as fast as the most clueless in the group.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 07, 2017 9:59 AM  

I bet Trump and Bannon understand this at the DNA level, today The GE is spiking the football on them with a tweet about Obama's fecklessness in dealing with Russia.

As an aside I would bet a good fiat dollar that Mika wants to submit sexually to the GE. (no cucks need apply)

OpenID dreadilkzee March 07, 2017 10:12 AM  

@VD, followed the link and came on another topic
http://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/

Study finds that American Blacks are beat in the IQ department by Foreign Blacks. Kind of curious on you take given the new data.

Blogger Jon D. March 07, 2017 10:12 AM  

Interesting. Explains the entrepreneur mindset very well and why it's so successful.

Anonymous Groupthinking Groupthinker March 07, 2017 10:13 AM  

But...but...but...muh conSENSsus!

Blogger GK Chesterton March 07, 2017 10:13 AM  

What's fascinating is that I think it likely that groups of women do do some things better than a small group of high intelligence men. However, the scientists are so bent on judging women as _men_ that they can't find things that they do _well_.

Blogger Erynne March 07, 2017 10:18 AM  

"Anyone can critique an idea or offer a nonsensical spin on it."

I find myself doing this too much and have tried to quit. It's a waste of time, especially when people don't even care (and I also don't care, I don't know why I feel the need to speak). Until I can build my own thing that does very well for itself I have nothing to offer. And, even if I critiqued something and managed to change a mind, so what? What's in it for me? It's just an ego soother, I think. I wonder if there are any psychology studies on the differences between lurkers and contributors, because I'm sensing a Dale Carnegie thing where contributors are fulfilling some kind of need for validation, like that Laguna Fogey guy.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 07, 2017 10:19 AM  

@26
The original cited researchers were clearly idiots and have never been around any group of any intelligence.

Yes, apparently they've never been involved in any kind of innovation, or even a good brainstorming session.

More likely the original research was a group project.

Anonymous Grayman March 07, 2017 10:20 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:

…..As we transition to a declining social mood, all the prior rationalizations for Universalist impulses will fall by the wayside. First to go will be the LIES that underpinned those rationalizations, but if I'm correct, eventually a whole new set of LIES will emerge to rationalize the impulses driven by a vast decline in social mood.

It remains fads, all the way down. Appearances to the contrary are but temporary artifacts and coincidences.


DC,
The swing of the pendulum, the cycles of history… That’s also why we will likely see the rational position of separate cultures turn into genocide of cultures, as the pendulum swings past the “rational” point on the right and into dogma.
SciFi loves the idea of the “singularity”. I simply hope that we as a species can look forward enough to start incorporating the swing of the pendulum into our societies instead of drifting with the tide. That would require each current generation planning ahead 3 or 4 generations. It is a big step for us as humans but a critical one, more so that the next cool tech bauble.

Anonymous BBGKB March 07, 2017 10:23 AM  

Study finds that American Blacks are beat in the IQ department by Foreign Blacks. Kind of curious on you take given the new data.

They are not comparing US blacks to blacks in Africa, but to those blacks in Africa smart enough to get to the US. If you consider that 2% of the white population have a higher IQ than Einstein, we are not getting their Einsteins but their Teslas. The problem is Return To Mean, where 2 Teslas could have kids stupider than Einsteins, similar to seeing 2 tall people having an average sized kid

You could fit the US CHINA India japan eastern & Western Europe onto Africa's land mass, consider all the smart people in those lands. http://flowingdata.com/2010/10/18/true-size-of-africa/

What's fascinating is that I think it likely that groups of women do do some things better than a small group of high intelligence men

You mean other than talking bad about high IQ men while drinking coffee?

Blogger Phat Repat March 07, 2017 10:26 AM  

"You mean other than talking bad about high IQ men while drinking coffee?"

I'm guilty, I LOL'd.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer March 07, 2017 10:29 AM  

Anyone who has worked in a group in a practical task knows this to be true. It is particularly glaring when you have a woman who is a true believer in grrl power and has been coached to speak up. They invariable bring up failures to follow procedures or point out why something won't work. More importantly, if the solution involves a change in process or procedure they will fight it like their lives depend on not changing them. As an IT PM, I can't count the number of times I have been told that I have to come up with a way to make the software adapt to a horrible process/procedure.

Blogger Shimshon March 07, 2017 10:30 AM  

Seeking group diversity to promote some sort of increased group intelligence is the equivalent of packaging up garbage debt into securities and stamping "AAA+" on it. I never got how vibrant skin color statistics would help a software development project (my line of work).

Anonymous basementhomebrewer March 07, 2017 10:32 AM  

The other thing they tend to do is make up procedures/rules relying on others ignorance on a subject. I don't advertise I have a CPA at work and there have been numerous times that I was told GAAP required something that it definitely did not.

Anonymous Grayman March 07, 2017 10:34 AM  

Women, incompetents, and cucks love groups.

A) There is no individual failure in a group, the group failed not you, you gave your 100%!

B)Every body wins! Even if only 1 or 2 members of the group carried the load, everyone gets credit. Its the adult participation trophy!

Blogger Eric Mueller March 07, 2017 10:34 AM  

Groupthink: because NONE of us is as dumb as ALL of us...

Blogger The Remnant March 07, 2017 10:35 AM  

I remember being held hostage to the cult of mediocrity whenever I worked in an office environment. This was a big incentive for me to start my own business and become my own boss, and it was well worth it.

Blogger haus frau March 07, 2017 10:36 AM  

@21 "So that study confirms what everyone here already knew: affirmative action to increase diversity is detrimental because you are bringing down group IQ in order to increase group melanin levels"

Melanin transmits magical cosmic knowledge which white people don't have access to because we are genetically defective mutants. Cosmic knowledge trumps white IQ privilege. Aristotle was Bantu. Get over it.

Blogger Phat Repat March 07, 2017 10:37 AM  

I thought PMs had ways to counteract the idiocy of their 'SMEs' and management?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 07, 2017 10:38 AM  

Of course you all realize what this research means for the social sciences in academia, where all projects are group projects now. Heh.

Replication crisis? What replication crisis? How could that happen?

Anonymous Grayman March 07, 2017 10:39 AM  

Men have an advantage in problem solving because they are more risk tolerant and explore more possible solutions then woman who are inherently more risk adverse.
Its a fundamental biological trait of each sex. The daredevil mom doesn't see her offspring survive and fails to pass her traits along. The male who always plays it safe never gets ahead and wins the right to reproduce.

Blogger VD March 07, 2017 10:40 AM  

What's fascinating is that I think it likely that groups of women do do some things better than a small group of high intelligence men.

No, there is nothing fascinating about your imagination. What is your opinion on groups of unicorns doing things better than a small group of leprechauns?

That might at least be interesting.

Blogger dienw March 07, 2017 10:41 AM  

Study finds that American Blacks are beat in the IQ department by Foreign Blacks. Kind of curious on you take given the new data.

Haven't heard that in a long time. The first time and possibly the only time I heard that was fifty years ago when I was in the hospital with rheumatic fever: I had a Jamaican nurses' aid who emphatically stated that American Blacks were dumber; she said her boyfriend was still a boy compared to Jamaican men. Being young and naïve, I considered that harsh; yet, twenty years later I learned that Nigerians were being advanced over American Blacks via AA programs in government.

Blogger William Hudson March 07, 2017 10:41 AM  

@37. BBGKB, Oh My Literal Awsome GOD! I seriously had No Idea (like most, I guess) that Africa was actually that YUGE! Thank you immensely for that link.

Blogger Johnny March 07, 2017 10:47 AM  

William Hudson wrote:@37. BBGKB, Oh My Literal Awsome GOD! I seriously had No Idea (like most, I guess) that Africa was actually that YUGE! Thank you immensely for that link.

Going by intelligence tests, there is on population of black Africans that run about equal to whites. I forget the nationality.

The thing about groups is that if the goal is well defined in advance, diversity is nothing but a distraction. Otherwise I would guess it may well be useful if setting the goals is the problem not accomplishing them.

OpenID dreadilkzee March 07, 2017 10:52 AM  

BBGKB wrote:Study finds that American Blacks are beat in the IQ department by Foreign Blacks. Kind of curious on you take given the new data.

They are not comparing US blacks to blacks in Africa, but to those blacks in Africa smart enough to get to the US. If you consider that 2% of the white population have a higher IQ than Einstein, we are not getting their Einsteins but their Teslas. The problem is Return To Mean, where 2 Teslas could have kids stupider than Einsteins, similar to seeing 2 tall people having an average sized kid

You could fit the US CHINA India japan eastern & Western Europe onto Africa's land mass, consider all the smart people in those lands. http://flowingdata.com/2010/10/18/true-size-of-africa/

@BBGKB, I initially thought the same but the article went on to describe how that is not necessarily the case. Please read the article as it is newer data. Long story short the Igbo groups in Africa are higher IQ then American Blacks and Rival Indian and Chinese.

That said this is slightly off topic so I'll re-frame from further comment.

As to the IQ thing with groups and individuals. My experience has been that leadership ability does more to influence groups ability to function than IQ. Sure IQ can help move a project, but poor or lack in leadership can kill it. This is where the High IQ Loner is often highly productive because the are undistributed by stronger leader.

Good leaders can recognize the high IQ and give him room to produce.

Groups really only help with brainstorming possibly good implementation but again leadership helps drive implementation.

Anonymous BBGKB March 07, 2017 10:59 AM  

What is your opinion on groups of unicorns doing things better than a small group of leprechauns?

Unicorns are better at healing & removing poisons.

Long story short the Igbo groups in Africa are higher IQ then American Blacks

You mean the decedent's of jewish slave traders are smarter than the decedents of criminals & defeated rival tribes bought by jews to sell to the US? Vox just said on a recent Darkstream that the Aryans who went to India say they just got darker from the sun not from inbreeding.

Anonymous EH March 07, 2017 10:59 AM  

@30 Chanda Chisala, the Indo-Zambian author of that piece, tortures the statistics to arrive at his desired conclusions. Whenever he does an IQ post he gets ripped to shreds in the comments. He's not worth reading at all.

Blogger Phat Repat March 07, 2017 11:01 AM  

Groups, just like meetings, typically suck. Probably one of my favorite quotes comes from Taleb (and I'm slightly paraphrasing) "anyone who likes meetings should never be allowed to attend meetings."

Blogger Paul Sacramento March 07, 2017 11:02 AM  

Working in groups has always been over-rated, more of a way to include those less intellectual or to help people be/feel part of the team.
Groups tend to, naturally ( if allowed to be), have one or two leaders and they are, typically, the smarter ones.
As the article staed at the end:
So, if you want a problem solved, don’t form a team. Find the brightest person and let them work on it. Placing them in a team will, on average, reduce their productivity. My advice would be: never form a team if there is one person who can sort out the problem.

Not novel, just common sense.

Blogger Shell March 07, 2017 11:05 AM  

I had to watch a TED talk during a training at work about how more women = better/smarter groups. Basically all the BS claims as the beginning of this post. I thought, how can that be true? I'm glad to know that science has assuaged my fears and proven it false.

Blogger Nate March 07, 2017 11:16 AM  

this is what worries me... we know group think is actually slower and dumber... and the millennial generation is basically incapable of individual thought. everything they do is based on consensus.

Some day the nation will be run by stunted retards.

Blogger Shell March 07, 2017 11:17 AM  

And the melanin rich were kangz in Egypt

Blogger James Dixon March 07, 2017 11:27 AM  

> Civilization has advanced over the millennia due to the ideas of a relatively small group of visionaries.

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/697618-throughout-history-poverty-is-the-normal-condition-of-man-advances

> Study finds that American Blacks are beat in the IQ department by Foreign Blacks.

Do I really need to point out that the "Foreign Blacks" aren't a random sample?

> What's fascinating is that I think it likely that groups of women do do some things better than a small group of high intelligence men.

Certainly. Caring for children, for example.

> Long story short the Igbo groups in Africa are higher IQ then American Blacks and Rival Indian and Chinese.

A group that self selects for and breeds for intelligence has a higher intelligence than average? You don't say? It's a mercy we've got folks to tell us these things.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 07, 2017 11:30 AM  

@59 Nate

The Klantifa appear to operate by some sort of consensus / groupthink. So they will by nature be slower and dumber. Watch any of the vids that have been posted, most of them just stand around and shout slogans.

Blogger Dangeresque March 07, 2017 11:38 AM  

GK Chesterton wrote:What's fascinating is that I think it likely that groups of women do do some things better than a small group of high intelligence men.

Can confirm: pregnancy, breastfeeding, sammiches, etc...

Anonymous Stickwick March 07, 2017 11:45 AM  

When I was in college, I dreaded group work unless we could choose our own partners, because it almost always meant I'd be grouped with students who weren't as intelligent or dedicated to the work as I was. In such cases, I always ended up doing most or all of the work. This sort of diversity only serves to artificially bring up the lower performers at the cost of bringing down the higher performers. If anyone tells you otherwise, it's just rationalization.

Sometimes it's impossible to avoid group work, e.g. if equipment or time is limited. But now that I'm on the other side of the classroom, if there's group work to be done, I allow students to choose their own partners. Occasionally a high performer will ask to work solo, and I accommodate that whenever possible.

Anonymous Grayman March 07, 2017 11:52 AM  

Groups can work work well but..... choose the primary 1 or 2 people who are the talent, assign them the task of solving them problem and then provide them with the rest of the group as a subordinate entity that is there to provide project support to the primary problem solver.
That is also the basic NCO model the US military uses that works very well when applied correctly.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 07, 2017 11:54 AM  

Sometimes it's impossible to avoid group work, e.g. if equipment or time is limited.

Some projects are too big for one person to accomplish. Like sacking Rome. Building the Great Wall of China. Going to the Moon.

Success of large projects that require groups somehow has mutated to "all projects must be done by groups to succeed". Most likely that position was formed by consensus.

Anonymous krymneth March 07, 2017 11:58 AM  

dreadilkzee wrote:@VD, followed the link and came on another topic

http://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/


An intriguing little article, that disproves the idea that intelligence is hereditary by race by pointing out that if you break down races even more finely than by "black" and "white" and "Chinese", intelligence is even more hereditary by race.

I have only seen a few other articles so thoroughly undercut their own putative point.

The idea that race is "black" and "white" and "chinese" is a relatively recent invention. "Irish" used to be a race, after all.

Blogger BassmanCO March 07, 2017 12:11 PM  

@59 Nate, prior to this administration, someday? You could argue going back at least a decade and a half we were already there.

Blogger Aeoli Pera March 07, 2017 12:12 PM  

GK Chesterton wrote:What's fascinating is that I think it likely that groups of women do do some things better than a small group of high intelligence men.

When I learned that highly intelligent women have disproportionate cortical development in Broca's area, I laughed out loud. Yes, there are a couple of specific tasks where women have a slight cognitive edge over men (which is exaggerated in the high range), namely: verbal fluency, short-term memory, and possibly ruthlessness.

Blogger Aeoli Pera March 07, 2017 12:14 PM  

tl;dr- Rightists purity spiral and leftists conformity spiral. The assertion that groups are greater than the sum of their parts is a post-facto rationalization of the leftist's emotional desire for consensus building.

Rightists and leftists respond to disagreement and conflict in polar opposite ways. Forced to make a choice, a rightist prefers local coherence over global coherence, so he will often de-escalate and leave the room. He isn’t concerned that two minds are in complete disagreement with each other, so long as each person is internally consistent. Forced to make a choice, a leftist prefers global coherence, so his response to disagreement and conflict is to escalate until the two minds are in agreement. He isn’t concerned about internal consistencies so much as external consensus.

Blogger Gaiseric March 07, 2017 12:26 PM  

krymneth wrote:dreadilkzee wrote:@VD, followed the link and came on another topic

http://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/


An intriguing little article, that disproves the idea that intelligence is hereditary by race by pointing out that if you break down races even more finely than by "black" and "white" and "Chinese", intelligence is even more hereditary by race.

I have only seen a few other articles so thoroughly undercut their own putative point.

Author is from Zambia. It's black science. Because he's operating in the UK, though, he probably doesn't have enough sun to efficiently conduct melanosynthesis.

Anonymous Carlos Danger March 07, 2017 12:30 PM  

He isn’t concerned about internal consistencies so much as external consensus.

In fewer words, they think like women.

Blogger Johnny March 07, 2017 12:43 PM  

Background for this stuff is that we have a social elite that would like its social norms to be society's social norms. To accomplish this they discover areas of evil and then suppose that the correction is their version of how society should be run. Or to put it another way, what the value system should be.

The prior assumption that everybody is identical and that anybody who thinks differently is evil works as a great expedient in this effort, in that it furnishes an endless justification for the elite to substitute their rules, as enforced by government, on the rest of society.

In a sensible world we would let blacks and women Indians and all other groups find their way in the world. Which is to say do the best they can with their situation and what they want for themselves. Instead we make what are arbitrary judgments as to what the outcomes should be, and then to the extent it can be imposed, attempt to force the identified group to achieve the preconceived by government outcomes.

This intelligence stuff is just a rational, and as asserted, often at odds with reality.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 07, 2017 12:56 PM  

Humans can be quite smart individually, but I'm convinced that collectively, human populations are no smarter than bacteria.

Consider the demographic transition, and the bacterial equivalent. No real difference.

Blogger Nate March 07, 2017 12:57 PM  

"He isn’t concerned about internal consistencies so much as external consensus."

I first started noticing this in the youth group I lead a few years ago. 16... 17 year old kids couldn't talk about their own opinions. if you asked an individual a question... what resulted was a slow group discussion.. then a consensus was formed... then you got a group answer.

it was bizarre.

Anonymous The OASF March 07, 2017 1:00 PM  

"What's fascinating is that I think it likely that groups of women do do some things better than a small group of high intelligence men."

Yes, some groups of women, over time, get their PMS cycles in perfect sync.

Spectacular achievement.

Anonymous Red sky in morning March 07, 2017 1:03 PM  

OT. Somebody make a meme of Rand Paul and/or Ted Cruz like Gandalf saying You will not pass! To Obamacare lite. Please?

Blogger Were-Puppy March 07, 2017 1:13 PM  

I'm shocked that there was a theory that group think was somehow a good thing.

Everybody I've known over the years that is successful, strong workers, hate the idea of meetings, much less actual group think

Blogger VFM #7634 March 07, 2017 1:14 PM  

I first started noticing this in the youth group I lead a few years ago. 16... 17 year old kids couldn't talk about their own opinions. if you asked an individual a question... what resulted was a slow group discussion.. then a consensus was formed... then you got a group answer.

it was bizarre.


@75 Nate
A good exhibition of how Deltas are so easily led around the nose by Gammas and women if there aren't any Alphas around. The story of the fall of Western Civilization, in a nutshell.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 07, 2017 1:15 PM  

And while we're at it, the whole stupid open room work place is nothing but a distraction for anybody who is productive.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 07, 2017 1:20 PM  

@17 Napoleon 12pdr
I've found that most people pushing group thinking aren't very good at thinking. They want someone else to do the heavy lifting, then swoop in at the end and take credit.
---

There's a lot of that been going around

Blogger Resident Moron™ March 07, 2017 1:48 PM  

John Rappoport is very good on the topic of the current War on the Individual. He gives a nice coherent context to a lot of modern lunacies; SJWs, feminazis, various (other?) psyops ...

He's also on Gab.

Anonymous BBGKB March 07, 2017 1:57 PM  

And the melanin rich were kangz in Egypt

DNA tests on mummies show they are more closly related to europeans than the current population of Egypt. Egypt lost its ability to read Hyroglypics for the same reason Detriot went from having TOP public schools in the nation to 47% illiterate.

Blank slaters like to point out Hong Cong while forgetting its full of the type of Chinese Moa targeted when he killed off 100million of his countrymen.

BBGKB, Oh My Literal Awsome GOD! I seriously had No Idea (like most, I guess) that Africa was actually that YUGE!

Buy a light up globe for the children in your family. The african population is large & the land mass can fit all those areas that contributed to the advancement of human civilization. Whites are only 8% of the world population now, 33% before WWII.

Resources mostly untouche, thats why leftists say the richest man in history was a black king that had surface deposits of gold thats why when i first heard the story of him spending so much gold in Mecca that it lowered world gold prices he was a combo of the indian that sold NYC for a strand of beads and a drunk NFL player.

Anonymous NZT March 07, 2017 1:58 PM  

As Taleb would point out, this is just science catching up to what basic common sense has known for millennia.

If I had to name qualities of an effective group, I wouldn't think of any of the things they tested. I'd name:

- A group that's not too small, but especially not too large, and possesses the necessary brains and competence
- Group members all respect one another and are willing to subordinate their personal agendas to accomplishing the task at hand
- Leadership that provides adequate direction and resources and otherwise gets out of everyone's way

Women especially tend to make poor group workers because they don't like hierarchies or formal authority, they have a hard time separating the personal from the professional, and they tend to value process and effort and feelings over results. Obviously NAXALT but I think everyone knows I'm basically right about this.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable March 07, 2017 2:03 PM  

Groups can work work well but ...

No. Just no. 30 years in corporate life says never. Find one responsible, efficient, skilled person to personally own every task you need accomplished and give him flunkies as required.

No committees. Ever. They allow incompetents to hide (or worse, get credit) when they should be laying out the donuts and serving the coffee.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 07, 2017 2:11 PM  

This research shows that adding women to any task oriented group adds no value, or detracts from value. 40 years of Affirmative Action detonated. What other kinds of diversity add no value, and may detract?

How much longer will the IFLS cult go on if science keeps getting more and more based?

Blogger JohnG March 07, 2017 2:11 PM  

Yah, handing a project off to a "group" to do was always a frustrating and inefficient way to get anything done in my experience.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 07, 2017 2:16 PM  

Yah, handing a project off to a "group" to do was always a frustrating and inefficient way to get anything done in my experience.

Only if you want that project to succeed. Groups and committees are a great way to kill stupid ideas from pointy-headed bosses.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 07, 2017 2:37 PM  

@36 Grayman, Until something better comes along, my preferred theory is socionomics. Sadly, this is posited on human nature dictated by neurobiology and neuroanatomy. This informs me that, unless Star Trek becomes real and Vulcans walk among us, human social behavior will never break free of its fractal pattern, and as a species we will lurch from one over-doing it to another over-doing it (in the opposite direction.) As long as we're human, that's how it will be.

This makes sense to me; Utopia is not an option, and neither is "making humans 'right.'" Those who espouse a belief that genetic engineering will allow the perfection of Man must be a hell of a lot more atheistic (and less naturalistic) than I am.

FTR, a cockroach is a more amazing creature than anything mankind will ever produce. Call it god, or Nature, or whatever...the fraction of all possible knowledge now held by mankind is minuscule, almost a rounding error off zero.

22 years (and counting) of being wrong in my forecasts tells me that cultivating anti-fragility is far more useful than trying to navigate a reality that has yet to arrive. I am but an ant, riding on a leaf, carried by a mighty river. I neither change the course of the river nor really alter all that much which eddies and waterfalls I encounter. I'm here but for an all-too-brief time, so I try to make the most of it.

Blogger Resident Moron™ March 07, 2017 2:42 PM  

5343 Kinds of Deplorable wrote:Groups can work work well but ...

No. Just no. 30 years in corporate life says never. Find one responsible, efficient, skilled person to personally own every task you need accomplished and give him flunkies as required.

No committees. Ever. They allow incompetents to hide (or worse, get credit) when they should be laying out the donuts and serving the coffee.


That's been my experience during more than 30 years in the corporate wilderness, too. For whatever that testimony is worth.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer March 07, 2017 2:50 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:And while we're at it, the whole stupid open room work place is nothing but a distraction for anybody who is productive.

It's a symptom of the consensus thinking. It's actually pretty startling how one idea with no supporting facts whatsoever can permeate all of corporate culture by simply being printed in enough of the "cutting edge business magazines".

The concept is ludicrous. It encourages micro-management and spreads fear of being watched. This results in people interacting LESS not more (lest they be perceived as not working). One of our offices switched to this model and within months I noticed that people who sat 10 feet away from each other didn't know the other person. It also made it impossible to book a conference room because people were using them for personal calls instead. In the face of these facts the powers that be rolled this concept out to the other office buildings. Not because they think it's a good idea but because the consensus says it's a good idea.

Blogger Sheila4g March 07, 2017 2:53 PM  

Hardly surprising no one here liked group work (myself included) - it wastes time and empowers the fools. The weeks my husband has to attend a staff meeting are always more stressful - he loathes meetings and the time (always double what is planned) that they waste.

It seemed to me that younger teachers (at least among the Christian school teacher crowd) were far more likely to assign group projects than the older ones. Must be a more recent emphasis in teachers' college programs. It's also a way for a teacher to avoid teaching - just assign random "groups" and don't bother with a lesson plan. The year my younger son's 2 prospective teachers detailed their plans for the coming year, heavily featuring group work, was the year we pulled him out of Christian school and started home schooling.

Anonymous Joe Blowe March 07, 2017 3:17 PM  

haus frau wrote:I remember throughout my public school experience, elementary through high school, how much emphasis was placed on forcing kids to work in groups on various reports and presentations.

This is done in an attempt to close the "Achievement Gap". The dumb, lazy kids (Africans-in-America and Mexicans) get credit for the work done by the smart, productive kids (Whites and East Asians). Its simply gaming the numbers. A lot of high schools have also moved their homeroom to after 1st period in an attempt to reduce truancy. Kids that miss 1st period are only late to class. They miss homeroom and they are consider, by law, to be truant. The kids are as late as they ever were but by moving homeroom back the reported numbers go down. The real reason for all this, including Forced Integration, is to sabotage the education of White youth.

Blogger Hail Jesus March 07, 2017 3:32 PM  

My view on modern education is that it is like dog shit mixed with chocolate and caramel sauce.

In the 19th century it was like a delicious desert, but the ruling elite wanted to go to their death beds knowing that upper echelons got the last laugh and not the dirty goyim.

See, whenever a large percent of the population is pulled into an educational institution, you must suspect that there will be forces at work which do not serve your interests - very similar to television in that sense...

The trick with TV is that the news programs often report on murders, rapes, burglaries, etc, so people naturally conflate the news with serving their interests and thus trustworthy.

In the case of education, people seem to by default assume that a government 'educated' person knows better than an uneducated person.
That might have been true centuries ago, but not anymore.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents March 07, 2017 3:42 PM  

@91
It's a symptom of the consensus "thinking".

FIFY.
Outside of some special teams, "consensus" is just another word for groupthink. Not really thought, just herd behavior.

Anonymous Grayman March 07, 2017 3:53 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:@36 …. human social behavior will never break free of its fractal pattern, and as a species we will lurch from one over-doing it to another over-doing it (in the opposite direction.) As long as we're human, that's how it will be.

….Utopia is not an option, and neither is "making humans 'right.'" Those who espouse a belief that genetic engineering will allow the perfection of Man must be a hell of a lot more atheistic (and less naturalistic) than I am.

….22 years (and counting) of being wrong in my forecasts tells me that cultivating anti-fragility is far more useful than trying to navigate a reality that has yet to arrive……t.


DC

Socioecoonomics, care to elaborate??


Many years of combat arts has done much to teach me to “be water” as corny as that may sound. The “universe” will often show you the way if you simply pay attention and stop trying to force the “universe” to do what you want. "letting go" as a species would allow us to move with instead of against the current.

But what is utopia? Achievable perhaps at the spiritual level but certainly not at the physical level, that’s little more than a dog chasing its own tail.

“cultivating anti-fragility”
It’s funny that you mention that. I have been working on a project that is the new hot tech for my field. This tech is such that if you were to “disappear” perhaps as few as 100 people in the world the tech would be functionally dead and would require another decade of work to make it happen again, even if you have all of the research papers and presentations as well as the tech background to understand it. This is just one example but so much of our world is so incredibly fragile that people have no idea of what a razors edge we all live on.
As another example, moving a biotech product from one manufacturing facility to another and getting the process to work can take months to years. Even with all of the same equipment, SOP’s, etc all in place, these systems are so complex that the “art” must be relearned and I see this everywhere, in all facets of our tech. Building the massive complex systems that we use without them being fragile is an interesting problem.

Blogger Antony March 07, 2017 3:54 PM  

Something you may be interested in "Why we pretend to know things" ; https://richarddawkins.net/2017/03/why-we-pretend-to-know-things-explained-by-a-cognitive-scientist/

Anonymous Grayman March 07, 2017 4:01 PM  

Hail Jesus wrote:My view on modern education is that it is like dog shit mixed with chocolate and caramel sauce…….



Is there any logicalargument on that point?

Washington, D.C., spent $29,409 per pupil. Detroit schools spent $12,801 per pupil. The average black high-school graduate has the academic achievement level of a white seventh- or eighth-grader. As such, it stands as unambiguous evidence that high schools confer diplomas attesting that students can read, write and compute at a 12th-grade level when in fact they cannot
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/265973/undermining-academic-achievement-walter-williams

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club March 07, 2017 4:16 PM  

What we really need are studies to prove the real detrimental effects of meetings, committees, Congress, and what have you.

Most sensible people recognize that groups invariable involve the Lewis Black model: one person says "I have a really terrible idea!", someone else says "And I can make it shittier!" and they're off and running. We just need so careful constructed research to show it.


Men have an advantage in problem solving because they are more risk tolerant and explore more possible solutions then woman who are inherently more risk adverse.

When this biological truth is recognized by the proglodytes, it is always, ALWAYS, spun as a terrible thing*. "There wouldn't be any financial crises if more women were in charge!" and such like.

*Except one: male homosexual promiscuity.

Anonymous RA March 07, 2017 4:54 PM  

Some teachers did groups when I was in high school and that was quite awhile ago so it's been around as a teaching method. Groups work well when they're small enough, all male and have a focused leader with everyone pulling in the same direction. Under those circumstances, can really get a lot done and there is often a great deal of synergy to be found in this environment, the whole can be greater than the sum of the parts. Which explains why VD is very intolerant of those who can't pull their weight as part of a team he's running.

Involve women, involve lesser achievers, involve poor leaders, all of these usually detract from group performance and can screw up the group dynamics quite easily. Been there, seen that ...

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett March 07, 2017 5:16 PM  

My greatest fear is arriving at the Pearly Gates to hear St Peter call a short list of names, admit them, and then tell the rest of us, "OK, folks, break into small groups..."

Anonymous I Am Irony, Man March 07, 2017 5:34 PM  

I'm thinking that's probably not Heaven where you've arrived, then....

Anonymous Avalanche March 07, 2017 5:36 PM  

@85 "Find one responsible, efficient, skilled person to personally own every task"

Old Navy saying: if you want something done, find a busy man!

Anonymous Loki7 March 07, 2017 5:41 PM  

Something that I`ve come to understand about VD is that usually when he presents an idea (square 1), he`s already thought it thru (square 3 or 4) and is waiting for us to catch up. So I noodle thru it while wondering where it`ll take me.

Blogger Pteronarcyd March 07, 2017 6:35 PM  

My experience in conducting subjective probabilty assessment in support of probabilistic risk assessment is that groupthink is superior in the sense that a simple probability distribution developed by neophyte individuals tend to be overconfident and inaccurate, while the simple distribution derived from the effort of the group as a whole is almost always accurate, although imprecise. In giving a training lecture on the topic I ran this exercise many times, always with the same results. However, the diversity of the audience was, I believe, always limited to degreed Caucasoid professionals in the sciences or enginerring -- ie, they were neophytes on probabilistic modeling, but not uneducated or totally innumerate.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 07, 2017 6:59 PM  

@105

Is that the consensus experience?

Blogger Dirk Manly March 07, 2017 7:24 PM  

Bosses who have a pathological need to "manage" everything ARE women or gamma males.

Anonymous ScarletNumber March 07, 2017 7:26 PM  

The reason why teachers and professors assign group work is to reduce their grading responsibilities.

Blogger Pteronarcyd March 07, 2017 9:29 PM  

@106

For that particular application given that kind of audience -- neophytes regarding subjective probability assessment. I suspect this would hold even with a multiracial audience of neophytes. This is a rather unique application, nowhere near as generalized as the research in question.

Another aspect of my profession -- environmental consulting -- that I find diversity useful is in staffing, for example, a contaminated site investigation team. As an ecologist, I find no need to bring another ecologist onto my team. Diversity of knowledge is useful; thus, I typically enlist a hydrogeologist, a chemist, a toxicologist, a soil scientist, a meterorologist, etc. Relative to racial or cultural diversity, such technical diversity has value. (Perhaps racial and cultural diversity has value if you are running a global import-export business.)

I'm in a field where most of my colleagues are Caucasoids. I have limited experience hiring vibrants, but they were foreigners. In each case I ended up firing the vibrant, and have sworn to never again even consider hiring a third worlder. The reason is that third world immigrants, whether from Africa or Asia, come from the upper stratum of their society, and they do not possess the American work ethic -- they behave like they should be made junior CEO right away. Perhaps intelligence was an issue, but cultural incompatibility was what drove me to terminating them. And, only after fruitless investment of time and effort on my part in counseling them.

The value of diversity depends on the application and the type of diversity.

Anonymous MendoScot March 07, 2017 9:42 PM  

Nate wrote:"He isn’t concerned about internal consistencies so much as external consensus."

I first started noticing this in the youth group I lead a few years ago. 16... 17 year old kids couldn't talk about their own opinions. if you asked an individual a question... what resulted was a slow group discussion.. then a consensus was formed... then you got a group answer.

it was bizarre.



This is the original meaning of groupthink - not that everyone agrees, but that everyone agrees to what they know to be wrong, because they think everyone else believes it to be right.

Here is where we break them, just say what you think and more and more will follow.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 07, 2017 10:31 PM  

@haus frau
"I remember throughout my public school experience, elementary through high school, how much emphasis was placed on forcing kids to work in groups on various reports and presentations. I hated it..."

Now they have this bright idea called "peer assessment" or "peer grading." The kids critique each others' (usually writing) assignments.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Peer_assessment

Schoolteachers seem to love it-- it sames them work, and improves the kids' metacognitive bla bla bla. What's not to like? Just that having the dumb kids "correct" the smart kids' writing assignments not only serves no useful purpose, it is negative learning-- it introduces errors that weren't there before. You couldn't come up with a better system to make the smart kids frustrated, resentful, and angry if you tried. How long would a football coach last if he had some random klutz "correct" the star quarterback's throwing motion?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 07, 2017 10:33 PM  

"sames" = saves

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 07, 2017 11:28 PM  

@James Dixon
"Long story short the Igbo groups in Africa are higher IQ then American Blacks and Rival Indian and Chinese."

One could point out that "Border collies are smarter than wolves" does not falsify "wolves are smarter than dogs."

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Blogger Lance E March 08, 2017 12:21 AM  

Very important and timely study, but I had trouble parsing your assertion about rules and processes being the domain of women and gammas. Aren't clear and fair rules (i.e. systems) the domain of people high in conscientiousness and competitiveness? Or were you implying the kind of nebulous "rules" that you see in the "code of conduct", which are intentionally set up to be weaponized against those who are more capable?

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 08, 2017 12:32 AM  

@109
Yes, yes, but is your position that of the consensus?

Anonymous MrNiceguy March 08, 2017 1:05 AM  

More likely the original research was a group project.
Thread winner

Anonymous RabidRatel March 08, 2017 1:44 AM  

Lance E wrote:Aren't clear and fair rules (i.e. systems) the domain of people high in conscientiousness and competitiveness? Or were you implying the kind of nebulous "rules" that you see in the "code of conduct", which are intentionally set up to be weaponized against those who are more capable?

You are answering your own question here. Normal males only need a few rules to guide them, and to keep order. This is about unnecessary rule-making and lawfaring, and having different rulesets for different people, because.

You only need to look at the proliferation of rules, laws and regulations in everyday life to see the evil of what they have wrought.

Most rules and regulations being promulgated are little more than hand-holding, stuff which is dictated by common-sense (which is in short supply), but now have to be spelled out in great detail. And yet more detail. And yet more...

The women and gammas only feel in control with muh rules!, and don't understand the unwritten rules governing male behaviour. (Which is why gammas are gammas).

Blogger JP March 08, 2017 1:45 AM  

Actually it can, depending on the unstated assumptions in the sentence. "Border Collies are smarter than wolves" does falsify "All Wolves are smarter than all dogs", but does not falsify "Most wolves..." or "...most dogs".

When talking to people you know, you/they can usually infer the assumptions in the sentence, but there are times when they should be stated just to avoid the nitpick.

Anonymous Uncle Maffoo March 08, 2017 5:21 AM  

Women Ruin Everything.

Blogger Dwain Dibley March 08, 2017 12:18 PM  

"Group-thinking is not smarter"

And that's exactly why democracies never work, because they are nothing but group-think. Anyone who promotes democracy, rule by majority, over a republic, rule of law, does not support individual liberty as it is only possible via the rule of law.

Blogger Pteronarcyd March 09, 2017 12:03 PM  

"Women and gamma males, both of whom tend to be obsessed with rules and process, almost invariably get in the way of the smart individuals who drive accomplishment."

Since when do women obsess over rules? Leftists, feminists, and activist judges, for example, define their rules as they go to conform to their goals. Smart individuals who drive accomplishments work within society's rules. Bill Gates committed no crimes in pursuing his vision of a computer on every desk. Adolf Hitler, on the other hand, had some valid visions for nationalism, but he pursued his goals outside the realm of western society's rules, which made him perhaps the biggest failure of the 20th century.

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