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Thursday, March 09, 2017

How Wikipedia determines reliability

Even I didn't realize things were this bad at Wikipedia:
In the modern world, bigoted oddballs who are over-familiar with the internet can wield tremendous power — and this potty-mouthed man is a case in point. For when he’s not posting obscene images or racist sentiments, Cockram is a regular editor of the online encyclopedia Wikipedia, where (according to multiple posts on his Facebook feed) he operates under the alias ‘Hillbillyholiday’.

Last month, ‘Hillbillyholiday’ was the architect of a cynical PR stunt which saw this newspaper publicly smeared by damning its journalism ‘unreliable’. He and 52 like-minded anti-Press zealots, almost all of whom remain anonymous, collaborated in a vote which persuaded Wikipedia, the sixth most popular website in the world, that it ought to ban the Daily Mail.

The move by the online encyclopedia — which was founded in 2001 and has in a few short years become a hugely influential source of information — was revealed in the pages of the Left-wing Guardian newspaper. It reported that Wikipedia’s editors had decided, in a democratic ballot, that the Mail’s journalism cannot be trusted.

No statistics were offered in support of this claim, which, incidentally, came days before the Mail won Sports Newspaper Of The Year for an unprecedented fourth straight time, and was shortlisted for 15 awards at the British Press Awards, the news industry’s Oscars. (Indeed, as we shall see, the Mail has an enviable record on accuracy.)

Neither did Wikipedia, nor The Guardian, bother to shed much light on how this decision was reached. If they had, then it would have become apparent to readers that this supposed exercise in democracy took place in virtual secrecy, and that Wikipedia’s decision to censor the Mail — the only major news outlet on the face of the Earth to be so censored — was supported by a mere 53 of its editors, or 0.00018 per cent of the site’s 30 million total, plus five ‘administrators’.
Five thought police plus 53 editors is enough to permanently nuke a source for "reliability". This fact alone is sufficient cause to justify, if not demand, the creation of Infogalactic.

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57 Comments:

Blogger Dirk Manly March 09, 2017 8:42 AM  

Last.

The Daily Mail should start playing up the existence of Infogalactic as a retaliatory action.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft March 09, 2017 8:54 AM  

Looks like Wikipedia is developing its own super secret gestapo death squad of editors. Not surprising.

@1. Dirk, couldn't agree more. That would be a noticeable coup.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable March 09, 2017 8:57 AM  

a mere 53 of its editors, or 0.00018 per cent of the site’s 30 million total

Are they seriously telling us Wikipedia has 30 million editors, or is this just bad writing? Seems to me like a Scalzi-sized exaggeration.

Blogger Eric Mueller March 09, 2017 9:05 AM  

I haven't used Wikipedia since Infogalactic launched. Even if Wikipedia comes up in a search, I go to IG and look up the subject.

Anonymous Looking Glass March 09, 2017 9:08 AM  

@3 I'd say they have 30 million registered accounts, so the DM is having a little mathematics fun at Wikipedia's expense.

I believe the active editors with any privilege is quite low. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedians Actually, they provide their own stats!

There's about 12,000 or less of any influence. They've got roughly 573 currently active Admins.

5 of 573 = .8%
53 of 12000 = .4%

Really, Wikipedia's problem is they're beholden to the 1%. What a HORRIBLE thing it is that a tiny group of those at the top can oppress anyone they choose. Racist elitists, that's what they are, I tell you. They clearly hate the culturally appropriate dentistry of those in the middle of the UK. Bunch of fascists.

Anonymous Just Me March 09, 2017 9:09 AM  

Strange, Wikipedia's founder seems to be excited about appearing in The Daily Mail:

"But the wedding was still covered in The Daily Mail and The Sunday Times, much to Wales’s excitement. “Front page, above the fold,” he told me of the latter. Wales pulled up The Mail’s Web site on his MacBook to show me some photographs from the reception. “That was surreal,” he said."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/30/magazine/jimmy-wales-is-not-an-internet-billionaire.html

Blogger Elocutioner March 09, 2017 9:11 AM  

Sounds like Wikipedia arrived at yet another scientific consensus!

Anonymous EH March 09, 2017 9:12 AM  

The malicious editor cabals have completely taken over at Wikipedia. After the election, Barron Trump was moved to his own page, then after lengthy debate was rolled back into the main page, supposedly for Barron not being notable on his own, despite many articles focusing on him, e.g. Rosie O'Donnell's attack. The discussion was closed with a self-contradictory summation that simply lied.

A couple of weeks ago I found that the WP article on my family's 170-year-old company (still in the family) had been arbitrarily cut by 80%, including nearly all the references and its president's page deleted. I was able to restore the company page only because the perpetrator of the vandalism is no longer active on WP, but the company president's page looks like it's gone for good. Three cabal editors, a couple hundred words of comments, no notice - poof! Gone forever, no real recurse. They're deleting dozens and dozens of similar businessmen's pages every week, even those with dozens of mainstream media stories about them are deleted. Meanwhile, the most worthless academics and left-wing activists have pages.

Wikipedia is dead, long live Infogalactic!

Anonymous Reenay March 09, 2017 9:18 AM  

With a name like Cockram, why is he still living in his mother's basement aggressively camping Wikipedia pages to ensure that nobody "vandalizes" them (by posting actual facts)?

If I had a name like that, I would live up to it.

Anonymous Looking Glass March 09, 2017 9:19 AM  

@8 Which is sort of humorous because Wikipedia has about one of the most complete collections of information on Comic Book characters. It's actually one of their best content sections, if I'm honest.

Blogger Durandel Almiras March 09, 2017 9:20 AM  

@1 and @2 - I found the writer on Twitter and told him that. You may want to do the same. look for AT Guy Adams.

Blogger Some Dude March 09, 2017 9:22 AM  

You notice the way Trumpy talked about being wiretapped and the CIA leaks came out? There are powerful people starting to help Trumpy now. Let's pray they can do their work before they get killed.

My impression is that NSA/CIA low level analysts and so forth must be familiar by now with the 'conspiracys' on the web about the true masters of the Deep State.

Let's just say HBD theory wouldn't be a shocker to them if they can read people's personal messages, emails and so forth...

Anonymous gxg March 09, 2017 9:30 AM  

Speaking of idiots with an agenda ruining things, someone(s) at the post office f*cked up the delivery of inauguration invitations. Based on how many people are mentioning it, it seems too widespread to be random or isolated cases of poor delivery.

Case in Point: Yesterday, I JUST received my invitation, nearly seven weeks after the event. Curious, I talked to my sister (another big Trump supporter) who lives four states away. They received their invitation just last week.

How is this not a scandal? I submitted a tip to Breitbart and tweeted about it. But the story has no traction, even though people across the country are reporting the same thing in comment threads, etc.

I created my first meme (I mention it's my first, because I'm sure more experienced people here could do better). If anyone wanted to share it, here's the image I used: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6c-yJOWAAEKts4.jpg

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer March 09, 2017 9:31 AM  

Having been on the Internet when it was still called Arpanet, I knew the second I saw the proposal for Wikipedia that it would devolve into a fiefdom of like minded individuals who would spend their copious free time propagating their idiosyncratic obsessions. Anyone who remembers Usenet and BBSes could have told you that. By the way, is IRC still a thing?

Anonymous Yann March 09, 2017 9:32 AM  

And what are you waiting to get in touch with the Daily Mail and ask them to promote InfoGalactic?

In other circumstances, they would ask you to pay for pub, but taking into account that they have been banned by the Wiki, perhaps they could be very happy to promote an alternative site for free, just for the sake of revenge.

Anonymous VFM #6306 March 09, 2017 9:34 AM  

The Daily Mail is not going along with the media abandonment of their backfiring "Fake News" Narrative, but instead uses it with brutal accuracy.

How has the Daily Mail remained so old school this long?

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer March 09, 2017 9:38 AM  

I have obtained a picture of one of the Admins using a CIA hacking tool for remotely activating webcams.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=Xsh54Ykk&id=4374D85122DCA678DB61F4462E881CF77F711694&q=cartman+computer&simid=608027049618705821&selectedIndex=0&qpvt=cartman+computer&ajaxhist=0

Blogger Benjamin Kraft March 09, 2017 9:42 AM  

@14. Yes, IRC is still a thing, but I think more people use things like Discord now, or will quite shortly. It's a combination of chat with audio applications/etc.

Anonymous VFM#1819 March 09, 2017 9:45 AM  

Why not send a letter to the editors at these unjustly targeted organizations and convince them to replace all links and sources that go back to Wikipedia with InfoGalactic?

Anonymous BBGKB March 09, 2017 9:45 AM  

After the election, Barron Trump was moved to his own page,

What is weird is all the lesbians interested in a 5yo spelling bee champ, I guess they are looking for more high IQ conversations than they find at the locak dyker bars.

someone(s) at the post office f*cked up the delivery of inauguration invitations

You needed the invite to get in early.

Anonymous gxg March 09, 2017 9:52 AM  

You needed the invite to get in early.

Interesting. I didn't know that. This is the first presidential election that we seriously donated to, so I'm unfamiliar with the logistics.

So, basically, this was just one more sh*tty way that Trump and his supporters were sabotaged. For Trump, it means potentially smaller crowds. For supporters, it means they're denied early access to the event.

Forget firing, someone(s) should be prosecuted for this.

Blogger Shimshon March 09, 2017 9:57 AM  

@21 "Forget firing, someone(s) should be prosecuted for this."

Certainly. Tampering with the mail is a felony. Unfortunately, it will almost certainly not happen.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 09, 2017 9:59 AM  

Is there an easy way we can help the kookiest of the kooks to be promoted in the Wiki hierarchy?

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus March 09, 2017 10:00 AM  

This is why whenever I include a link in a post on my blog, I will go with the equivalent Infogalactic page over and against Wikipedia.

It's a small gesture, but fewer links for Wikismearia, multiplied thousands of times over, might just make a difference.

Blogger Hail Jesus March 09, 2017 10:03 AM  

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Blogger Hail Jesus March 09, 2017 10:05 AM  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3934422/Beaming-picture-Hillary-Clinton-woods-not-staged.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxgwomr785Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaHMjNrYrLQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRBzZTa-GRg

100 and fifty years before the french revolution the existence of werewolves left the public conscience

100 and fifty years before newfangled notions of equality came to manifest Nietzsche identified these notions.

the reason we do not see werewolves is because the devil has manifested himself everywhere in the modern world, but when Christianity is strong and societies are free, he reveals himself through the summoning of werewolves!

Blogger Eric Mueller March 09, 2017 10:09 AM  

13 gxg - I got my invitation yesterday too. A little bit too late. I wondered where the screw up was.

Blogger Eric Mueller March 09, 2017 10:14 AM  

I've tried to contact various organizations to ask them to support Infogalactic, but there is apparently a bug in the contact form used on Wordpress sites. I put my message in, and get "You message failed to send". Since they all use Wordpress, I'm wondering if this is something deliberate. They need to go back to mailto:. At least that works.

Anonymous BBGKB March 09, 2017 10:21 AM  

You needed the invite to get in early...this was just one more sh*tty way that Trump and his supporters were sabotaged

That came out as part of Picturegate for the crowd sizes, early admits needed an invite

Blogger Sheila4g March 09, 2017 10:29 AM  

I got that inaugural "invite" about a week ago - never occurred to me it was intended to be a legitimate invite; I thought it was supposed to be some sort of "bonus" to Trump supporters - a printed copy of the actual engraved (I would presume) invitations sent to VIPS - sort of like a promotional photo.

Anonymous BBGKB March 09, 2017 10:43 AM  

OT:Bath House Barry holdover DOJ decides to let those with arrest warrents for arrest buy guns. So much for leftists common cents gun laws.
https://www.thetrace.org/2017/03/justice-department-gun-background-checks-fugitives/

Blogger JP March 09, 2017 11:25 AM  

Can confirm, my invitation arrived on March 3rd. The envelope was not subtle about the contents, so I have no doubt someone along the line held them up purposefully.

Anonymous Dan March 09, 2017 11:31 AM  

Well I thought the main problem with CNN reporters was fake news. Lack of creativity on my part.

I didn't think to worry that they are cannibals.

http://www.acsh.org/news/2017/03/07/why-cnns-reza-aslan-shouldnt-eat-human-brains-10961

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1426537/Shocking-moment-CNN-presenter-eats-HUMAN-BRAINS-sect.html

No wonder the left doesn't want sources like The Daily Mail for Wikipedia. It interferes with their 'We are not cannibals' narrative.

Blogger Resident Moron™ March 09, 2017 11:52 AM  

Send the Daily Mail a graphic of their Infogalactic page, along with some eyeballs stats.

If they don't get it then there's nothing anyone can do for them anyway.

Anonymous Edjamacator March 09, 2017 12:02 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:@8 Which is sort of humorous because Wikipedia has about one of the most complete collections of information on Comic Book characters. It's actually one of their best content sections, if I'm honest.

That's because they are very adept at make-believe.

Blogger Pete Lounsbury March 09, 2017 12:19 PM  

Wikipedia can be used to gather accurate information, so long as you think for yourself AFTER looking at the behind the scenes discussion about the wiki article. First, you need a Wikipedia account and to be logged in, and then just click on the "View History" tab that is now visible after logging in. There you can see the food fights behind the scenes, but more importantly you have access to disputed portions of articles to make your own mind up.

More often than not I learn much more by observing the infighting that goes on when they try to suppress points of view or ideologies that the Wiki folks don't want to allow the public to see as part of the story. In fact, you also get a very good idea about how heavily a given article is butchered, but again, this is important to know and part of the story. If more people would be more proactive with checking facts out for themselves, notions like "fake news" would be the sole domain of lazy minded fools who can't be helped regardless.

Blogger Student in Blue March 09, 2017 12:36 PM  

Clean-up on Aisle 5, we have a lunatic troll.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) March 09, 2017 1:13 PM  

13. gxg March 09, 2017 9:30 AM
Case in Point: Yesterday, I JUST received my invitation, nearly seven weeks after the event.



ah HA!

so, Trump *would* have had the largest inauguration crowd ever, had the USPS not been willfully obstructing his invitations?


it will be funny if the Trump campaign starts sending everything UPS because USPS can't be trusted ...

Anonymous EH March 09, 2017 1:29 PM  

Checking up on this, some are saying these were just commemorative invitations sent to donors -- no evidence, but a claim that's what the cover letter said. Why they wouldn't send actual invitations at the appropriate time (last year) was not explained.

Does anybody with a late invitation have a cover letter? Is there any date on what was sent?

Anonymous gxg March 09, 2017 1:50 PM  

Does anybody with a late invitation have a cover letter? Is there any date on what was sent?

Dang it. You're right. I took a closer look at the envelope's contents. There are two items inside:

(1) The actual engraved-looking invitation. "The committee requests the honor of your presence..."

(2) Another engraved-looking letter (very hard to read in its fine script-font), which states that it's a commemorative invitation.

So wow, I feel pretty stupid now.

Still, I can see where people were confused. Who opens an official-looking invitation, notices it's for an event that already happened, and goes on to read the fine print?

A side note to all of this: Of course, I'm biased to think that government stooges will do anything in their power to sabotage Trump and his supporters. So this invitation (falsely) served to confirm my bias.

When society starts to break down, it's easy to become paranoid and exhibit poor judgment. The only problem is, they usually ARE trying to get us. If I had more faith in our government, I doubt I would've jumped to such an tinfoil-hat conclusion.

Anyway, apologies for the distraction.

Anonymous gxg March 09, 2017 1:52 PM  

Oh, sorry, I just realized I never answered part of the question. There was no date on anything, other than the "upcoming" date of the actual inauguration, of course.

Blogger Eric Mueller March 09, 2017 1:57 PM  

I don't recall the cover letter. It was two pieces of thick, fancy paper with fancy calligraphy on them. The second one was an invitation to the inauguration. I forget what the first one said; I'll have to check when I get home. But it didn't strike me as a cover letter. The invitation clearly said something about "request your presence". I don't know if I would have gone. I live about 60 miles from DC, but I freaking HATE going there, and I hate crowds. But if it was a legit invitation, it would have been nice to have made the choice within the appropriate timeframe.

I threw the envelope away. It clearly said "Do Not Bend", but was bent anyway, because USPS.

Anonymous gxg March 09, 2017 2:01 PM  

The second one was an invitation to the inauguration. I forget what the first one said; I'll have to check when I get home. But it didn't strike me as a cover letter.

Right. Because it didn't look like a cover letter. It looked like an additional page to the invitation. Same parchment type of paper, same ultra-fancy script font.

I still have my envelope. There's no postmark date on it.

Anonymous Whitebeard March 09, 2017 2:41 PM  

I have had run-ins with such devious twats on Wikipedia. Their behavior is not very obvious unless they happen to control or attack articles that you are interested in and follow regularly. They often run in packs and I suspect a lot of them communicate via outside channels so that they can claim to respect the 3RR rule while targeting a lone editor trying to fix misinformation: one twat will do the first two reverts and a second one will pop up to do the third one. This is how they maintain a particular slanted narrative while claiming to adhere to NPOV.

Then, it is interesting to observe how some editors spend hours and hours on Wikipedia every single day. It is understandable in the case of articles related to films/comics/television because fandom. But who does that for articles related to politics or politicized science? I wonder how many government employees and leftist academics lurk there waiting for someone to edit an article they are watching just so they can revert the change.

One has to be mentally retarded to come up with the current Wikipedia organizational structure where a small mob acts as judge, jury and executioner on a whole bunch of articles. An encyclopedia needs to have someone at the very top who has the power and sense to, sometimes, say "fuck you" and fix a blatantly wrong edit/delete.

Blogger (((Alt right))) March 09, 2017 3:11 PM  

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5yh3r9/on_werewolves/

Anonymous EH March 09, 2017 3:52 PM  

@ 40- 42, gxg, Eric Mueller, thanks.

Odd that the cover letter had no date. Could be a bit of subtle sabotage, or just an oversight. A close look at the "stamp" on the envelope shows that it's not US government-franked but the "Presidential Inaugural Committee Inc." using a presorted mass mailing permit. My best guess is they had some money left over and did this without quite thinking through how it would look.

Blogger SirHamster March 09, 2017 4:42 PM  

Whitebeard wrote:But who does that for articles related to politics or politicized science? I wonder how many government employees and leftist academics lurk there waiting for someone to edit an article they are watching just so they can revert the change.

If they're paying people to troll forums and comments, I'm sure there's a paycheck for someone to control what the de facto Internet authority claims as fact.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 09, 2017 5:59 PM  

@44 Whitebeard
I wonder how many government employees and leftist academics lurk there waiting for someone to edit an article they are watching just so they can revert the change.

To ask the question is to answer it.

Anonymous Avalanche March 09, 2017 6:07 PM  

@30 "I got that inaugural "invite" about a week ago - never occurred to me it was intended to be a legitimate invite"

My invite came today, I assumed it was -- like the Hare Krishnas -- they'd "given" me a thing, now they'd ask me to pay for it... The damned Repubs have starte dsharing my email aorund -- I'm getting sh|t from Cruz asking me to support this guy or that guy, someone in VA wants me ot send money. And the damned Repubs are still CALLING me about every 1.5 weeks asking me to renew my membership: I tell them that I am Alt Right, I am ANGRY Alt Right, and I am dedicated to the disassembly of the Republican party...

They slink away, but still call again!

Anonymous gxg March 09, 2017 6:32 PM  

My best guess is they had some money left over and did this without quite thinking through how it would look.

That makes a lot of sense. Weird to think that if they'd included a pix of the inauguration, for example, rather than the cover letter, us cynical types would've been purely thankful, as opposed to suspicious.

If only we weren't so accustomed to being screwed...

All that being said, I'm now thankful to have the invitation. Something to keep for posterity.

Anonymous EH March 09, 2017 6:45 PM  

@50 gxg, Yeah, nice souvenir. I'm a bit embarrassed that I emailed the White House before doing a web search...

Blogger Eric Mueller March 09, 2017 8:12 PM  

49. Avalanche - I get that too. I'm getting constant emails and calls from the NRSC (fortunately, Mr. Number blocks them on my Android phone). Also getting stuff from Ted Cruz again. I got some survey yesterday about President Trump, but when I clicked "submit", it wouldn't. Probably because I put text in there like "get rid of cucks and traitors like McInsane".

For VA Governor, a guy named Jason Carrier is going to run as Libertarian. Normally, I stopped giving a crap about the LP, since they're even more useless than the establishment, but I used to work with this guy and know him. Depending on how things go, I'm probably going to back him.

I think Ed Gillespie is running as Republicuck. I believe he is a cuck. I only support people who back the God Emperor.

Anonymous kjj March 09, 2017 8:24 PM  

> I haven't used Wikipedia since Infogalactic launched. Even if Wikipedia comes up in a search, I go to IG and look up the subject.

Ooh, can the infogalactic servers be configured to respond to wikipedia requests? Should just be a matter of adding some aliases if it is running apache.

Then I could set my DNS server to answer wikipedia requests with the infogalactic IP, and then I can click wikipedia links in search results instead of editing them.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl March 09, 2017 9:10 PM  

Oh, God, Wikipedia. Are they far Left enough to be considered a "reliable" source by academia yet?

Blogger James Pyrich March 09, 2017 11:15 PM  

@9, perhaps his surname indicates he's on the not-so-willing receiving end and so going out is less desirable.

Also, InfoSextant--it has served me to Infogalactic with nearly ever recent Wikipedia web result. It is glorious: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/infosextant/plieanmckkckfcdfaobonmmmbeniaige

Blogger Were-Puppy March 10, 2017 1:19 AM  

@38 bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat )

it will be funny if the Trump campaign starts sending everything UPS because USPS can't be trusted ...
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It will be even better if he shuts it down entirely as a cost cutting measure

Blogger Roger G2 March 10, 2017 2:16 AM  

Very much agreed.

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