Monday, March 20, 2017

Mailvox: the necessity of Christianity

Stickwick had some thoughts about the IQ-related video I posted yesterday.

I found the Rushton video interesting. During the Q&A, someone astutely asked Rushton why the difference in terms of societal output between whites and higher-IQ Asians. Rushton said the answer is not known, but he's wrong. The answer is well known amongst historians of science: it's Christianity.

Pearcey and Thaxton, in their book, The Soul of Science, explain in great detail that it was the ideals and assumptions of Christianity that led to science and thus greater technological advances.

These ideals and assumptions include:

  •     Belief that the universe was created and ordered by a transcendent, rational mind
  •     Belief that the universe is lawful and knowable
  •     Belief in the reality of the physical world
  •     Belief that the physical world is of value
  •     Viewing physical work as noble, as a divine calling
  •     The Biblical admonishment to test claims
  •     Viewing the study of nature as a proper form of worship
  •     Belief in linear time
  •     Belief that mathematics forms the substrate of the physical world

Every non-Christian culture lacks at least one, and usually several, of these, which are all necessary for the development and advancement of science. This is why the intellectually advanced Greeks, and the technologically advanced Romans and Chinese, did not develop science, while the "backwards" medieval European Christians did.

The implications are obvious:

  1. If progressives are ever successful in completely secularizing the West, we will be relegated to second-world status.
  2.  If Asians, with their superior IQs and self-discipline, ever become Christian in sufficiently large numbers, they will eat our lunch in terms of scientific and technological advancements. 

This is why any efforts to make America and Europe great are doomed unless they are centered around Christianity.

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Blogger Matamoros March 20, 2017 6:50 PM  

Everyone should read Rodney Stark's works on Christianity as he goes deeply into this and the superiority of Catholic Europe in the Middle and High Middle Ages against the Mohammedans and others.

Anonymous kfg March 20, 2017 6:50 PM  

@Matthew: ". . . Christian society . . . constrains and directs human effort."

No argument.

Anonymous Stickwick March 20, 2017 7:14 PM  

Matthew: The argument is not that Christian society spontaneously generates scientific virtue, but that it constrains and directs human effort.


Blogger Matthew March 20, 2017 7:19 PM  

What EH should now argue is that only NW Europeans have enough mental material for the Christian society to constrain and direct.

Blogger Matthew March 20, 2017 7:51 PM  

One might almost say that Christianity creates an entelechy toward stewardship of Creation.

Blogger Some Guy March 20, 2017 8:27 PM  


I didn't ask your for references. You claimed the points were inconsistent. That doesn't require a source to elaborate.

Blogger Unknown March 20, 2017 8:49 PM  

I remember that too. Cannot remember the funky Chinese name though. His work was on business and economics rather than science though.

Blogger Durandel Almiras March 20, 2017 8:54 PM  

The Chinese government is well aware that Christianity is the secret to success.

Blogger Cail Corishev March 20, 2017 9:26 PM  

Who is more likely to make a career of astronomy: the man who believes God placed all the stars in the heavens in an order pleasing to Him, and set them in motion according to reasonable, physical laws that can be observed and measured...

...or the man who believes the stars move at the whim of the god(s), for purposes we're not intended to understand, which could change entirely tomorrow?

Anonymous kfg March 20, 2017 10:24 PM  

"...or the man who believes the stars move at the whim of the god(s), for purposes we're not intended to understand, which could change entirely tomorrow?"

Sounds like a "stupid Christians thought the Earth was a flat square" story to me.

We still keep time according the Sumerian astronomical model. Kepler believed the Classical Greek cosmological model of perfect geometry, until he reinvented Babylonian observational techniques.

And Plutarch references a Seleucid Babylonian proof of the heliocentric model, although the proof itself is lost.

People paid a lot of attention to the sky.

Blogger James Dixon March 20, 2017 10:55 PM  

> All who die as non-Christians go to Hell.

Even in today's interconnected world, it's remotely possible to live and die without ever hearing the gospel. We have no idea what special dispensations may be made for such a case.

> And actually, no, it isn't.

Agreed. It's far more than that.

> One is that you refer to Christianity as a well-defined set of beliefs.

Oh, please further inform those who have spent years seeking to understand a thing the exact nature of what it is they've been studying. I'm sure they're just dying to hear your opinion on the matter.

Christianity has a well defined set of core beliefs. It's the relatively minor details that trip everyone up.

> Another is that you seem to think IQ measures something other than IQ testing ability.

Again, several studies have shown that IQ test results do in fact have a high correlation to actual IQ. The nature of exactly what they're measuring is still highly debated, but the fact that they're fairly well measuring it isn't.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 20, 2017 11:21 PM  

@156 Snidely
What happened to the meso-Americans 500 years ago is that they discovered that the ultimate sacrifice had already been made, and they could participate in that sacrifice in the present through the Mass.They did not have to make any more, lesser, sacrifices, that was unnecessary. That's why the bulk of Mexico, including most importantly the priests, converted to the Catholic Faith over a period of a few years.

That guy Cortez and his army? Nothing to do with it. Nothing at all.

No doubt Paradigm has a secular answer, but that's because he's well indocrtinated, and quite dogmatic.

I am never dogmatic.

Anonymous JAG March 20, 2017 11:33 PM  

plishman wrote:'Let "do what thou wilt" be the whole of the law' is the rule of Satanism.

This is reflected completely in the secular progressive doctrine of non (and anti-) discrimination.

It being easier to destroy than to create, when one acts indiscriminately - i.e. without discriminating, doing what thou wilt - then on balance disorder will increase. This is the project of evil, and is what we see in the west where the doctrine of non discrimination is law.

In the East, there is the doctrine that 'the nail that sticks up will be hammered down'.

Crowley's Thelema, while it is an evil religion, is vastly different from what I call "LARP Satanism" of the Lavey type.

It is also a huge failure in its goals as it is nothing but a club for bored eccentrics whom do not even understand the philosophy behind it. Hubbard's Scientology is far more evil and successful than Thelema could ever hope for at this point which is amusing considering that Hubbard was an "ignorant lout" by Cowley's own assessment.

Then again, no form of Satanism that have I seen or examined is any where near as evil and destructive to humanity than the true twin pillars of evil in Marxism and Islam.

Not that I condone or promote any of form of Satanism, but the LARPers are just geeks role playing for attention and thrill seeking. islam and Marxism have body counts in the many millions. Hell, even Islam are pikers compared to Marxism. Marxism murdered more in less than a century than even Islam has in 1400 years.

Blogger S1AL March 20, 2017 11:53 PM  

@kfg - No, that is an actual definition. You're using a narrow definition of a broad word.

Blogger John Calabro March 21, 2017 12:45 AM  

Hey Vox, question what do you think the changes are for Chinese, Japanese or Koreans to take up Christian in a majority of the population? It would be cool to see the Chinese civilization change to become Christian force but I know it would not be the same as the West

Anonymous Jack March 21, 2017 12:55 AM  

An acquaintance of mine from England lived in mainland China for about ten years. Finally, he couldn't stand it anymore and left. His reason, as he told me: "Mate, these people need Jesus, and I'm saying that as an atheist."

One thing to understand about China is that they are a high IQ, low trust society, in contrast to the high IQ, high trust nature of northern European societies. I've noticed that northern Europeans who do business in China tend to get screwed because they're too trusting of the Chinese and don't understand their mentality or ethics (which, to a northern European or Christian mind, is a lack of ethics). In contrast, people from the Balkans and eastern Europe tend to "get" the Chinese and are able to work with them, because they have a similar low trust mentality in which it's a given that people will lie and pursue their own interests above all considerations of right and wrong.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 21, 2017 1:02 AM  

Republic of Korea TFR = 1.25 as of last year's estimate. I only know a few Korean Christians, all of them have one child.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 21, 2017 1:04 AM  

@214 Jack

The Hajnal line matters. Don't tell Snidely.

Blogger Fenris Wulf March 21, 2017 3:48 AM  

Jack wrote:I've noticed that northern Europeans who do business in China tend to get screwed because they're too trusting of the Chinese and don't understand their mentality or ethics
My knowledge of Chinese manufacturing is limited to music gear. I know that it's possible to manufacture high-quality goods in China, if you personally oversee the factory and watch them like a hawk. If you turn your back for an instant, they'll either substitute inferior materials to increase their profit margin, or sell your proprietary designs under a different brand name.

I became skeptical of free trade in the early 90's, when I observed that Chinese-made goods were so flimsy as to negate any cost savings.

Blogger Lone Catholic March 21, 2017 5:35 AM  

All who die as non-Christians go to Hell.

Even in today's interconnected world, it's remotely possible to live and die without ever hearing the gospel.

St. Francis Xavier addressed this issue while evangelizing in Japan. His Japanese converts complained that their ancestors had not heard of Jesus Christ, and that they never had a fair chance.

St. Francis responded that "the divine natural law was engraven in the hearts of all mortals, and that if their forerunners had observed it, the light of heaven would without doubt have illuminated them, as on the contrary, having violated it, they deserved damnation."

If a person lives and dies without ever hearing the Gospel, then he will go to Hell. He is obstinate in rejecting the truth, and therefore God leaves him in his ignorance.

OTOH if a person is receptive to truth, obeys his innate reason that tells him to do good and avoid evil, and hasn't yet heard of Jesus Christ, then God will send a missionary to teach him about the Church.

Blogger szopen March 21, 2017 5:56 AM  

I would say this is not the answer. Orthodox Christians had not developed science. I'd say rather that Europeans have interpreted christianity to better suit their tastes.

Blogger James Dixon March 21, 2017 6:01 AM  

> then God will send a missionary to teach him about the Church.

And about all those Chinese who died before the Church even existed? Yes, these are old questions. They've been asked lots of times before. The generally accepted answer is we don't know, because God hasn't told us.

Anonymous kfg March 21, 2017 8:46 AM  


Science explicitly places morality outside of its scope.

If the Bible does not refer to moral issues when it uses the word "good," it offers no moral instruction.

I think it would be better to retain Christian morality, rather than discard it just to win a bad argument, while handing the same rhetorical weapon to your enemies.

Christianity is not good because it creates nuclear weapons. Christianity is good because it restrains nuclear weapons.

Blogger S1AL March 21, 2017 9:43 AM  

@kfg -

The natural world was called "good" in Genesis. Was that a moral judgment?

Throughout the old testament, animals are called "good" because they are unblemished. Is this a moral judgment?

In Exodus, the land is called "good". Is this a moral judgment?

Stop being ridiculous and learn how the English language works.

Blogger flyingtiger March 21, 2017 1:46 PM  

You raise some good points. Christianity helps to build a high trust society. Other cultures are on family clans. While it has its advantages, only high trust societies can build large projects.

Anonymous kfg March 21, 2017 4:34 PM  

"The natural world was called "good" in Genesis. Was that a moral judgment?"


"Throughout the old testament, animals are called "good" because they are unblemished. Is this a moral judgment?"


"In Exodus, the land is called "good". Is this a moral judgment?"


And hence Biblical proof that God is good, and hence his moral law is good.

Blogger SirHamster March 21, 2017 7:12 PM  

kfg wrote:"If you don't think so, feel free to demonstrate how it isn't."

"Good" is a nonsense word in science. It has no meaning. It is outside the scope of.

The scientific principle is "test everything, keep what is fact." The Pythagorean Theory is neither good nor bad. It just is. It could well be something else, and that wouldn't be bad, it just isn't.

Your choice to value facts over non-facts so as to keep the former and reject the latter relies on a concept of "Good".

If you reject Good, you reject Truth, and you reject science.

How is it wrong to lie about one's scientific results when "Good" is irrelevant? How can there be wrong in science without good?

That you casually discard an essential foundation of science as nonsense bodes ill for your position.

Blogger DonReynolds March 21, 2017 10:38 PM  

There are variations in Christianity. Very broadly, there are differences between Protestant and Roman Catholic, and even more refinement between the several Protestant denominations.
In this particular context, which Vox has demonstrated in real detail, there is an important point to be made. In the Roman Catholic church, the only "calling" is the clergy. Note too, the common poverty that characterizes Roman Catholic countries. The Christian societies that have created enormous wealth and prosperity have not been Roman Catholic, but Protestant. Why? Because of the Protestant Work Ethic.....specifically, the Protestant belief that ALL lines of work are a religious "calling", not just the clergy. Every Protestant has a religious duty to do his work as well as he can, because his trade or occupation or profession is a religious "calling" by God.

Blogger Orc_Democracy September 22, 2017 10:41 AM  

Regarding the argument made in The Soul of Science, what ideals and assumptions does Christianity have that Islam has not?

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