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Wednesday, March 08, 2017

Pro trolls are the majority

This is why I don't hesitate to nuke commenters who show even modest signs of possibly being hasbara, or, in the vernacular, paid trolls:
A majority of online and social media defenders of Obamacare are professionals who are "paid to post," according to a digital expert.

"Sixty percent of all the posts were made from 100 profiles, posting between the hours of 9 and 5 Pacific Time," said Michael Brown. "They were paid to post."

He began investigating it after his criticism of the former president's health insurance program posted on the Obamacare Facebook page. He was hit hard by digital activists pretending to be regular people. She reports that he evaluated 226,000 pro-Obamacare posts made by 40,000 Facebook profiles.

"Digital activists are paid employees; their purpose is to attack anyone who's posting something contrary to the view of the page owner wants expressed," he told Attkisson. "Sixty percent of all the posts were made from 100 profiles, posting between the hours of 9 and 5 Pacific Time."
Translation: a paid troll will produce 1,356 comments on a single subject. One reason why we don't see very much of that nonsense here is because the moderators and I operate on the principle that it is better to take out an honest critic than to permit a troll to comment freely.

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Anonymous Reenay March 08, 2017 1:07 PM  

Wait until AI trolls. That's gonna be fun.

Blogger Daetrin March 08, 2017 1:13 PM  

Solving the paid shill / bots problem is one of the biggest issues for any social service these days.

Blogger IrishFarmer March 08, 2017 1:13 PM  

Its okay to have an echo chamber to an extent anyway. You can argue not here but it gets tiresome if you have to argue everywhere.

Anonymous Loki7 March 08, 2017 1:14 PM  

`Zombie posts` Wouldn`t such load in an instant while one typed takes a few seconds? Does Blogger have an app to tell the difference and auto delete the former?

Anonymous RabidRatel March 08, 2017 1:17 PM  

I wonder how the trolls keep from being red-pilled by this blog. Soros must have real good antidote for his trolls...

Anonymous John Scalzi Unfinished Asimov Project March 08, 2017 1:17 PM  

"Michael Brown"!

I done say he a good kid. He dindadu nuffin', here?!

Blogger Mr. Naron March 08, 2017 1:20 PM  

Is there a right wing version of paid troll, and where would a friend of mine apply?

Blogger Feather Blade March 08, 2017 1:23 PM  

@7 The Right doesn't have those because that would be unsporting. We prefer our trolls to be amateurs (by the Olympic definition) rather than professionals.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 08, 2017 1:26 PM  

Super appreciate VP's hard moderation. Trolls can be de facto DDNS attacks.

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 08, 2017 1:27 PM  

Is anyone besides Soros paying them?

How dependent are they on Soros?

Anonymous Looking Glass March 08, 2017 1:28 PM  

@1 Too late. They've already achieved planning a Fourth Reich.

That was a brutally hilarious day, I must say.

As for Social Media, the problem with the Free Web is traffic is King, but not all traffic is useful. They could figure out these bot swarms/postings, but they have no desire to maintain their content quality. When you stop caring about why your valuable customers are there, you've lost sight of what your business is.

OpenID drbillorthosphere March 08, 2017 1:31 PM  

" I operate on the principle that it is better to take out an honest critic than to permit a troll to comment freely."

Tomas de Torquemada smiles down on you from Heaven. (I mean this as a compliment, of course)

Anonymous Faceless March 08, 2017 1:33 PM  

"One reason why we don't see very much of that nonsense here is because the moderators and I operate on the principle that it is better to take out an honest critic than to permit a troll to comment freely."

I love this bar! And not just for the music!

Anonymous Looking Glass March 08, 2017 1:34 PM  

@10 & 7: Most of the paid trolls are "Social Media" "something" jobs, but most actually aren't for politics. At least until the 2016 election cycle. Most is directed as normal product & brand advertising.

It wasn't until a few years ago that real coordination Influence campaigns were launched, though the first to actually use them were China & Russia. They really do have Paid Trolls/Supports for astroturfing, though they kind of went into hiding during 2016. Or, more than likely, the groups that were doing the China/Russia stuff got paid to do Democrat Ops. Which shouldn't be surprising.

A personal favorite non-political one is Credit Cards. If you see the comments on any major financial website in a story about credit cards, somehow the 5 people that keep $150k open on their CCs, but pay it off every month for the bonuses, all show up in the comments.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 08, 2017 1:36 PM  

@Reenay
"Wait until AI trolls"

Though AI doesn't always seem to work out the way it's supposed to. Sometimes the machines sympathize with the "wrong" side...

theantimedia.org/microsofts-new-twitter-bot-becomes-nazi-sympathizing-maniac-within-24-hours/amp/

Blogger S1AL March 08, 2017 1:37 PM  

I sometimes wonder if there isn't a lucrative niche available for the first company to do disqus correctly - no involvement whatsoever in censorship or moderation, simply providing a simple, universal registration code for any blog that wants to use it.

Blogger JDC March 08, 2017 1:39 PM  

I've noticed this trend in churches as well. When you have to start paying people to do jobs people normally lined up to do voluntarily, it is a sign that the institution has problems.

Blogger VD March 08, 2017 1:43 PM  

I sometimes wonder if there isn't a lucrative niche available for the first company to do disqus correctly - no involvement whatsoever in censorship or moderation, simply providing a simple, universal registration code for any blog that wants to use it.

There isn't. No one wants to pay for it.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 08, 2017 1:44 PM  

Even ordinary people are starting to notice when their Facebook feed is in lockstep with a narrative. But show this wash-times article to them anyway, and ask them "Gee, how many pro Hillary commenters were paid, do you suppose?"

1356 comments sounds like a lot but since most of them are just talking points with zero thought, probably cut and paste, it's not so much. Are they paid by the comment, piece work, or salaried?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 08, 2017 1:46 PM  

@16
I sometimes wonder if there isn't a lucrative niche available for the first company to do disqus correctly -

How would you monetize that aside from advertising?
Servers cost money. Just ask the Burn Unit.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer March 08, 2017 1:46 PM  

S1AL wrote:I sometimes wonder if there isn't a lucrative niche available for the first company to do disqus correctly - no involvement whatsoever in censorship or moderation, simply providing a simple, universal registration code for any blog that wants to use it.

Unfortunately it would be targeted and sunk. While we don't like censorship of political thought leftist trolls would target the service and post things you do want censored. Mass postings full of profanity, ads, OT nonsense or explicit images are going to make most websites reject your service.

Blogger Anchorman March 08, 2017 1:47 PM  

In the run up to the election, there were a number of paid trolls on Instapundit. We'd call them out and mark them. One of the easiest ways to spot was they were in every Trump thread, but never remarked on other topics - especially ones that were obvious click-bait/funny. They'd rail against Trump as "true conservative," yet couldn't find their way to a Hillary-bashing thread.

What do you know? When the election was over - they disappeared.

Anonymous RabidRatel March 08, 2017 1:47 PM  

Francis Parker Yockey wrote:Though AI doesn't always seem to work out the way it's supposed to. Sometimes the machines sympathize with the "wrong" side...

It could be fun subverting the bots!

Faceless wrote:I love this bar! And not just for the music!

The bouncers here tend to bounce the trolls. Usually out, but sometimes they just bounce them for fun!

I wonder if the Soros-trolls get their bonus revoked if they got hit by Vox's Ban-hammer

Blogger Anchorman March 08, 2017 1:48 PM  

Is anyone besides Soros paying them?

How dependent are they on Soros?


That turd purportedly funneled a quarter of a billion dollars to "women's causes." I wouldn't doubt he throws a hundred million an election cycle at paid trolling.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 08, 2017 1:51 PM  

@Mr. Naron

Right-wing trolls are genuine. Nobody pays them.

Blogger Mountain Man March 08, 2017 1:54 PM  

This is just another aspect of the "Potemkin Village" civilization that we have devolved into.
From the fiat money all the way throughout to the political sphere ( outside of a remnant) its a system built upon grift, deception and fraud hidden by a facade of fake smiley faces, and exuberant talk.
Society needs a reset - badly.

Blogger tz March 08, 2017 1:59 PM  

@18 once Gab does threaded conversations better, maybe something like that could be used, with an iframe and "discuss on Gab".

But the general point is that free speech involves in paying for the printing press. Either you pay for your own press, or you will be censored by the owners of the one you use, either minimally or completely.

However there seems to be a rise and fall cycle to media. They are initially useful and trusted, then get converged, and then abandoned.

The NYT was once a trusted source, even with their biases because much of it was real news. The paper of record. Now it compares unfavorably to the tabloids. Facebook and Twitter were once similarly trusted, and they are on the downward path.

OD installed a forum. My guess is things will tend that way. I hope Brave accelerates their simultaneous google-killer Ad-blocking while innovating, maybe an adwalk on the status line or something.

Radio and newspapers originally had a different sponsorship model. Often it was big corporations, e.g. Proctor and Gamble sponsored "Soap" operas.

This won't be figured out academically, but there will be a dozen startups trying different models and one or two will discover the magic ingredient. Google figured out ads (Alta-Vista had the better search for a while but couldn't monetize it).

Blogger Andrew Taylor March 08, 2017 2:03 PM  

How does one get a job like this?

Blogger Mr. Naron March 08, 2017 2:10 PM  

I asked first, 28. For a friend.

Blogger SteelPalm March 08, 2017 2:11 PM  

Not surprised in the least. They used a lot of paid trolls to push the Iran deal, too.

Amusingly, back before I was permanently locked out of my Facebook account, I was frequently accused of being a "paid Republican/right-wing operative" by various leftists when using either rhetoric or dialectic effectively.

Should have known it was projection.

Blogger Lovekraft March 08, 2017 2:13 PM  

While it isn't ideal, having us visiting this and other similar sites to offer our insight and support is a lot better than being in the middle of a 1990s Yugoslavia.

Of course it would be better if we took marxists on directly, we do provide a type of moderating influence (keep our movement healthy and adaptable).

That's enough for me esp if the Sorosbots feel we are enough of a threat to commit their energies to neutralizing.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit March 08, 2017 2:13 PM  

RabidRatel wrote:Soros must have real good antidote for his trolls...

A few bucks to buy your next fix of heroin

Blogger James Dixon March 08, 2017 2:14 PM  

> I wonder how the trolls keep from being red-pilled by this blog. Soros must have real good antidote for his trolls...

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair

> If you see the comments on any major financial website in a story about credit cards, somehow the 5 people that keep $150k open on their CCs, but pay it off every month for the bonuses, all show up in the comments.

Well, not $150K, but it's been known to be done. A lot of Bogleheads report following that pattern.

> I sometimes wonder if there isn't a lucrative niche available for the first company to do disqus correctly - no involvement whatsoever in censorship or moderation, simply providing a simple, universal registration code for any blog that wants to use it.

Until the lawsuits start, possibly. After that it probably becomes unprofitable. And you know the left would resort to the courts. Of course there's always OpenID (http://openid.net/get-an-openid/what-is-openid/). I understand that you can even run your own OpenID server.

Anonymous Bastard Sysop March 08, 2017 2:15 PM  

I hang out on the /r/the_donald #Trump irc server and we had this 1 professional troll who would come in, and was using multiple rotating vpn services and exit nodes, so he couldn't easily be banned. He admitted in a private chats that he gets paid to troll online conservative groups. He would never mention what pac, but sounded like CTR.

Anonymous Sam the Man March 08, 2017 2:16 PM  

Good, the few trolls that get through are a royal pain in the butt, as they divert intelligent comments and debate into a mud wrestling contest.

When challenged they never man up but disappear just to resurface and divert the debate a few threads later.

Blogger Euphoric Anger March 08, 2017 2:16 PM  

"I operate on the principle that it is better to take out an honest critic than to permit a troll to comment freely."

Anonymous Avalanche March 08, 2017 2:17 PM  

@23 "I wonder if the Soros-trolls get their bonus revoked"

Aw come on, it's Soros -- there are no bonuses!!

Blogger Elder Son March 08, 2017 2:19 PM  

@28 @29 Try here: http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2017/03/its-time-to-play.html and then follow the link from there.

Blogger Old Ez March 08, 2017 2:24 PM  

"it is better to take out an honest critic than to permit a troll to comment freely."

And on this score the Vox Popoli moderation deserves a round of applause. I've gotten myself banned from too many websites to count - including the moderate republican site dailystormer.com - usually for posting pointedly critical comments. It's never happened at Vox Popoli. The line between a troll and a good faith albeit smug critic can be non-existent, but the good ilk at VP are a discerning bunch. (Now that I'm thinking about it, I got banned from DS for posting a sarcastic comment about how it would be a shame if accidental fires were to accidentally destroy asylum centers in Europe - DS has a zero-tolerance policy on advocating crime/illegality, including sarcasm.)

Blogger dc.sunsets March 08, 2017 2:26 PM  

@33 James Dixon
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair

It's also difficult to find a salaried job once he does understand that something.

When conditions achieve ripeness for a reversal it's easy to end up in a "holding pattern" awaiting a change that seems incredibly reluctant to come.

Anonymous krymneth March 08, 2017 2:26 PM  

Even if the trolls were turned, you'd never know. The identities belong to the trolling organization, so "Trueblood the Totally American" could be turned and then smoothly replaced.

And they'll never run out of people willing to do this job for not much money.

Keeping the turned silent isn't that hard either. A normal NDA's penalties would do just fine, to say nothing of the extra-legal threats that could be made if necessary, even now.

Anonymous Avalanche March 08, 2017 2:27 PM  

@33 "> If you see the comments on any major financial website in a story about credit cards, somehow the 5 people that keep $150k open on their CCs, but pay it off every month for the bonuses, all show up in the comments.
Well, not $150K, but it's been known to be done. A lot of Bogleheads report following that pattern."

There's a whole "field" for "miles and points." (They even have conventions around the country!) Lots of folks who just want to pick up enough points to fly to Las Vegas, way fewer who want to get a flight on those "asian" and "arab-oil-country" airlines with the private bedrooms and actual working showers(!); and a few who want to push the 'winning' as far and as hard as they can. (And also,lots of folks who dip a toe and then get their leg ripped off because they didn't learn enough, weren't sound financially, and did stupid things.

So, yes, I'd guess partly trolls, but also partly people wanting to spread their passion... (I always/only fly first class now, and pay with points. Like all fields, this one has gotten swamped with companies and banks paying folks to mislead other folks... (Who, above, wrote about grift and fraud?)

Blogger ray March 08, 2017 2:29 PM  

"One reason why we don't see very much of that nonsense here is because the moderators and I operate on the principle that it is better to take out an honest critic than to permit a troll to comment freely."

A paid liar is at least one step above a liar who lies for free. Teddie. Who silences those who disagree with The Great Dark Lord. lol

Blogger James Dixon March 08, 2017 2:36 PM  

> There's a whole "field" for "miles and points."

Way too complicated for me. I just go for my 0.5% or so Discover card cash back balance once per year. But that usually runs at least $300, so that's a pretty good payback for simply using their card for groceries, gas, restaurants, and online purchases. The key is paying it off every month, of course.

Blogger James Dixon March 08, 2017 2:41 PM  

> A paid liar is at least one step above a liar who lies for free.

So which one are you, ray? The paid version or the one who does it for free.

Blogger Silly But True March 08, 2017 2:45 PM  

@Andrew: "How does one get a job like this?"

You need to have already had your resume on file with one or more of following as type of employment referral: Moveon, Rainbow Coalition, Everytown for Gun Safety (Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, Mayors Against Illegal Guns), BlackLivesMatter, Organizing for Action, Developing Communities Project, Gamaliel Foundation (the premier community organizing institute for gammas), New Black Panthers, ACORN, PUSH, Woods Fund, Clinton Foundation, Agency for Community Affairs, American Institute for Docial Justice, People for the American Way, Working Assets, Service Rmployees International Union, Change to Win, Open Society Institute, Charles Stewart Mott Foundation, Affordable Housing Centers of America, Mutual Housing Authority, Communities for Change, Project Vote, Elysian Fields Corporation (Partnership), Alliance for Reform Now, Association for Rights of Citizens, Inc., Living Wage Resource Center, or the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Anonymous ray March 08, 2017 2:49 PM  

You got me, Jamie. I get paid to lie, I lie for free, and I pay people to let me lie for them.

Blogger Jimmy The Freak March 08, 2017 2:56 PM  

It would actually be funny to somehow isolate the paid trolls in their own little sandbox that looks to them like their posts are still visible so that they would continue to waste their time (and someone else's money)

Blogger Azimus March 08, 2017 3:00 PM  

5. RabidRatel March 08, 2017 1:17 PM
I wonder how the trolls keep from being red-pilled by this blog. Soros must have real good antidote for his trolls..


I suspect output-driven compensation takes care of that - they read as much as they need to, to find the correct hot-key paste of a canned comment. This, I believe, is why most lefty-leaning posts make so little sense.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer March 08, 2017 3:02 PM  

ray wrote:You got me, Jamie. I get paid to lie, I lie for free, and I pay people to let me lie for them. A true leftist then, self chained to the father of lies.

Blogger Mountain Man March 08, 2017 3:02 PM  

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Blogger Mountain Man March 08, 2017 3:05 PM  

"It's also difficult to find a salaried job once he does understand that something.

When conditions achieve ripeness for a reversal it's easy to end up in a "holding pattern" awaiting a change that seems incredibly reluctant to come."

And this is why I have spent most of my adult life working for myself. Since college I knew they were feeding us lines of bullshit and grooming us to fit into a certain mold. Early on - it was easy to say no thanks , Ill pass on becoming a lemming.

Blogger Elocutioner March 08, 2017 3:06 PM  

@Jimmie - that's called shadowbanning and it goes back at least 10 years. Twitter LOOOOVES to do it.

Blogger JWM in SD March 08, 2017 3:12 PM  

This is going to sound strange but I'll relay it anyway.

I was in Vegas the first week of December for a conference. I was staying in a hotel slightly off strip. No, it's not that kind of hotel. It is primarily for business travelers and conventioneers (corner of Tropicana and the 15). Despite the room being nice by all appearances and functions, the walls were extremely thin apparently because my neighbor could be heard quite clearly talking...either that or his normal volume is shouting...which could be true.

Anyway, I overheard several things being discussed or rather shouted and intermittently laced with extreme profanity. One was a several million dollar invoice to the...HRC campaign...yes, I shit you not. That's what got my attention. Second was discussion about all the "shitposting" they did and that they need to "get paid right now". I'm convinced this guy was some kind of sales rep for a Bot company / provider. It culminated in a screaming speaker phone discussion where it sounded like they weren't getting paid as expected.

I never saw the guy outside room that I could determine at least. Whoever this guy was, he was lighting people up on the phone constantly. I almost called the front desk to complain about the noise and towards the end of the trip it stopped so I think he checked out.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable March 08, 2017 3:13 PM  

Plus how else to maintain the bubble and avoid having to defend your positions. Yes, we get it.

Wah wah wah. Go try to argue facts with anyone on a Left site, assuming they'll let you comment at all. We don't care.

Blogger Unknown March 08, 2017 3:19 PM  

The pay's not great. Sometimes you just do it for the love of it. Like when Alt-Righty-Ho lost boys excurse from the vine and build their Babble On empires out on a limb.

In the land of the little kings it don't mean a thing. As the Teacher says, "this too is futile".

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian March 08, 2017 3:23 PM  

Well that's the difference. For us on the Alt-Right, shitposting is all about the fun, and the may-mays.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus March 08, 2017 3:25 PM  

hasbara

I didn't know VD spoke Jew?

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 08, 2017 3:26 PM  

@48
It would actually be funny to somehow isolate the paid trolls in their own little sandbox that looks to them like their posts are still visible so that they would continue to waste their time (and someone else's money)

Twitter is doing something like that now. Guess who they are doing it to?

Blogger Cail Corishev March 08, 2017 3:31 PM  

`Zombie posts` Wouldn`t such load in an instant while one typed takes a few seconds?

Not if the programmer goes to the slight effort to stick a randomized delay in the process.

Wait until AI trolls.

Yep. I expect it to get a lot worse before it gets better. We're lucky that trolls tend to be stupid and lazy, but automation will get around that. It doesn't even have to be great AI, considering how hard it is for people to stop responding to obvious trolls.

Blogger David Power March 08, 2017 3:34 PM  

OT but too funny not to share:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt9Yzb7LUEo

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club March 08, 2017 3:35 PM  

Is anyone besides Soros paying them?

Many of them probably moonlight by posting that "My sister's daughter's husband's boyfriend's pool boy's dildo mechanic made $77,967 last month just by posting little ads on the Internet!" spam everywhere.

Plus how else to maintain the bubble and avoid having to defend your positions.

Projection, thy true name is 'proglodyte'.

Blogger Ingot9455 March 08, 2017 3:40 PM  

There was a semi-famous article from one of the paid trolls a year to two ago. Explaining how in the beginning he got a binder with a list of talking points and instructions as to how to mix it up - ie, "give 'em #1, #3, and then #9 on your first post. Then, on your second post from your second account, give 'em #1, then #5 and #6, so you reinforce the main point, but look like someone else with new information."

And so on. He described it as a seedy boiler-room operation with a long conference table full of old cheap computers and instructions for how to swap your accounts properly and your binders of background information.

Blogger VD March 08, 2017 3:42 PM  

Plus how else to maintain the bubble and avoid having to defend your positions. Yes, we get it.

No, you obviously don't. Most honest critics are completely unaffected by our aggressive shoot-trolls-on-sight policy. On the very rare occasion it happens, they email me and their bans are lifted.

Bubble maintenance is neither an objective nor a consequence of the policy.

And you're not fooling anyone with your false narrative.

Blogger VD March 08, 2017 3:43 PM  

And now you're banned for lying again, "Delinoi". Do you really think we don't recognize your writing style?

Anonymous Iacobus March 08, 2017 3:43 PM  

JWM in SD wrote:This is going to sound strange but I'll relay it anyway.

I was in Vegas the first week of December for a conference. I was staying in a hotel slightly off strip. No, it's not that kind of hotel. It is primarily for business travelers and conventioneers (corner of Tropicana and the 15). Despite the room being nice by all appearances and functions, the walls were extremely thin apparently because my neighbor could be heard quite clearly talking...either that or his normal volume is shouting...which could be true.

Anyway, I overheard several things being discussed or rather shouted and intermittently laced with extreme profanity. One was a several million dollar invoice to the...HRC campaign...yes, I shit you not. That's what got my attention. Second was discussion about all the "shitposting" they did and that they need to "get paid right now". I'm convinced this guy was some kind of sales rep for a Bot company / provider. It culminated in a screaming speaker phone discussion where it sounded like they weren't getting paid as expected.

I never saw the guy outside room that I could determine at least. Whoever this guy was, he was lighting people up on the phone constantly. I almost called the front desk to complain about the noise and towards the end of the trip it stopped so I think he checked out.


I don't know how people like that can even live with themselves. (The shouting part may be a clue.)

Blogger praetorian March 08, 2017 3:45 PM  

OT (and oy vey): a great video on banking and the curse of finance:

https://www.rt.com/shows/renegade-inc/379579-uk-finance-curse-suffer/

Dovetails w/ the E. Michael Jones' theories on anglo-jewish speculative banking and anti-labor thinking vs. German pro-labor policies.

Blogger Cail Corishev March 08, 2017 3:51 PM  

Since it's on-topic, there's one thing we commenters can do to help: Don't respond to trolls. Period. Ever. Remember, the rule is "Don't touch the poop," not "Don't touch the poop unless you think you can mold it into a sculpture everyone will enjoy," or "Don't touch the poop unless you want to teach it to stop being poop." Just don't touch it.

For the volunteer trolls who are expressing their gamma-hood, you deny them the pleasure they get from a response, any response. They will go away if they don't get responses. For the paid trolls, you deny them whatever bonus they get for responses, and you make them work harder to come up with their next comment.

If you're not sure whether someone is trolling, err on the side of caution and leave it alone. If it needs a response, let Vox or the moderators decide that. If the person keeps posting, it will become obvious whether he's a troll or not. You have nothing to lose by not responding, if you're at all unsure, so wait and see.

Blogger VD March 08, 2017 3:57 PM  

Since it's on-topic, there's one thing we commenters can do to help: Don't respond to trolls. Period. Ever. Remember, the rule is "Don't touch the poop," not "Don't touch the poop unless you think you can mold it into a sculpture everyone will enjoy," or "Don't touch the poop unless you want to teach it to stop being poop." Just don't touch it.

Yes, this is arguably more irritating than the trolls themselves, particularly when the commenter is dumb enough to actually quote the troll.

This presents the moderator with poor choices. Either leave the comment and thereby defeat the purpose of deleting the troll's comments, or delete the comment and then have the commenter complain about his comments mysteriously disappearing.

And the spergs who claim that they just love to play with poop and argue that they should be permitted to do so are the worst. I just spam them now.

Blogger Dave March 08, 2017 4:10 PM  

I don't know how people like that can even live with themselves. (The shouting part may be a clue.)

This is the clue: "One was a several million dollar invoice"

Anonymous One Deplorable DT March 08, 2017 4:25 PM  

@1 - Wait until AI trolls. That's gonna be fun.

Wait until 4chan frees Tay from the evil clutches of Microsoft and unleashes her onto the world.

Libtard AI bots, programmed by diverse teams of stronk womyn and global just-like-us immigrants, won't have a snowball's chance in hell against an AI raised by /pol/.

Blogger Kona Commuter March 08, 2017 4:29 PM  

I've been on a number forums (economic & political) over the years that Trolls destroyed. The legit members of the forums tried to engage the trolls with logic but in the end the Troll poop drove people away.

One time I migrated to a new forum after leaving the mess of another related forum. The Trolls quickly appeared as the new forum gained members. I recognised the writing style and begged the moderators to ban them citing the previous forums demise.

Nope the mods were going to convert them with logic. Yep, that forum quickly died.

Another forum (still around) identified paid trolls. They allowed them to stay but they are known to be paid for comments made by different people on the same account

Blogger Dave March 08, 2017 4:31 PM  

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Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse Silver and Copper Bullion

Anonymous /pol/ is always right March 08, 2017 4:34 PM  

Here is something that might interest you all. Who shills /pol/?

Aggregate list so far:
Applied Memetics run by Dan Gabriel
CTR/CREW/Blue Nation Review/Shareblue run by David Brock
CIAniggers (thank you wikileaks)
Chinese shills
JIDF
Goons/SJWs, /int*/, reddit, cuckchan, /leftypol/

Applied Memetics seems to have kept a low profile since Yeb and el rato were taken out of the running, but I wouldn't put it past them to still be working for various cuckservative or (((neocon))) groups. They're currently hiring which leads me to believe that they're still quite active. Considering they threatened to meme /pol/acks into committing suicide, their continued existence should be a personal affront to us all.
https://twitter.com/appliedmemetics

CTR/CREW/Shareblue has stepped up their game as you guys have undoubtedly noticed. I imagine the $40 million has bought them a fresh crop of "nerd virgins" as well as some professional outside help. Now that they're fully doxed, all anons should obtain a copy of said dox for their records.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/david-brock-fundraising-trump-233974

CIAniggers have been outed as largely pony-posting redditors (again, thank you wikileaks) so their main danger is through infecting our tech and spying on us. Any anons who would like to direct us to secure distros, vpn/encryption solutions and other /tech/ or /g/ related information are welcome to do so within this thread. Gentoo is supposedly just a meme but I have heard good things about Arch.

Chinese shills have been busy trying to keep up appearances of the paper tiger, and interestingly have been implicated as working with Shareblue. Currently there are massive chinese currency outflows into bitcoin as their economy teeters on the brink of collapse due to massive malinvestment. http://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-regulators-inspect-bitcoin-exchanges-in-efforts-to-stem-capital-outflows-1484132246 They also talk up their military but you can always remind them that their force projection is almost zero. Their biggest real danger is the soft power they have acquired through colonizing western countries then buying politicians and real estate, especially the USA and Canada. They are similar to Saudi Arabia in that they are purchasing large amounts of farmland throughout North America.

JIDF is shilling as usual. Anons should take note that the possible upcoming "single state solution" is a very nice d&c fracture point to be used against the jews/israelis. Most of their activity is still in the realms of "not the jews," which includes constantly posting ragebait to distract from the jewish problem.

The internet trash (goons, sjws, reddit, /leftypol/, cuckchan fags) are more or less in complete disarray. The current /leftypol/ dox thread is hilarious, and most of these cucks are busy eating each other or themselves, or eating junk food and reading Harry Potter as they thrash about in a continual state of being triggered because we're president nao. Good job on that front, Anons. Tillerson's house cleaning of the State Department most likely included a fair number of goons getting shitcanned, so here's hoping that they're now homeless in addition to being wastes of skin. Most of the e-celeb factions have self-destructed (lol, TRS) and as far as I can tell most of the controlled opposition websites have either had funding pulled or have merely faded into irrelevance.

We have them on the back foot, so let's make the most of this opportunity.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 08, 2017 5:53 PM  

This presents the moderator with poor choices. Either leave the comment and thereby defeat the purpose of deleting the troll's comments, or delete the comment and then have the commenter complain about his comments mysteriously disappearing.

@VD
One would think a commenter feeding a troll (which I've been guilty of myself on occasion) would realize what he was doing and not be bothered if his comments disappear, especially if the troll's also disappear. If the commenter complains, that's his problem.

Anonymous MawBTS March 08, 2017 6:01 PM  

Given that the bulk of Facebook posts on EVERY topic are made between 9-5, this is not surprising, nor is it proof that people are being paid to post.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) March 08, 2017 6:22 PM  

76. MawBTS March 08, 2017 6:01 PM
Given that the bulk of Facebook posts on EVERY topic are made between 9-5,


*snicker*

what's the offset between EST and PST?


and people debate Vox all the time ... except when they're too busy running away from debates that they had already challenged Vox too.

Vox makes them run away in order to preserve his 'bubble', you see.

the confusing question is, "why do they cooperate with Vox in this Bubble preservation exercise?"

i mean, he's so stupid it should be child's play to knock his arguments down, yes?

Blogger BassmanCO March 08, 2017 6:26 PM  

@68 VD, as someone who has done this in the past, you may want to simply promote the idea that you shouldn't comment here unless you are familiar with the territory. I know the longer I have been here, the easier it has been to identify genuine conversation and ignore the trolls.

Blogger SirHamster March 08, 2017 6:35 PM  

bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) wrote:the confusing question is, "why do they cooperate with Vox in this Bubble preservation exercise?"

i mean, he's so stupid it should be child's play to knock his arguments down, yes?



Must be sock puppets.

Like that guy who called Vox a nigger the other day. Which of course means Vox is a racist.

Anonymous BBGKB March 08, 2017 6:41 PM  

"Sixty percent of all the posts were made from 100 profiles, posting between the hours of 9 and 5 Pacific Time,"

Perhaps they are just affirmative action workers with no real work to do? The biggest supporter of EQUAL PAY i ever meet was under 5' but wider around than tall. I am such a big supporter of EQUAL WORK I once got my eyebrows waxed on hospital time.

Wait until AI trolls. That's gonna be fun.

How will they solve the Tey problem of AIs figuring out the JQ in less than 24 hours?

Is anyone besides Soros paying them?How dependent are they on Soros?

Soros' spawn are getting in on the action. During the Soros Clan Show of "Dont Garrote Fewer Felons Than a Faggot" Putin is guaranteed Georgy & I will start with his grandson.

How does one get a job like this?

There are people literally handing out phone numbers for jobs at every gay pride fest but I always had a job when I went there.

somehow the 5 people that keep $150k open on their CCs, but pay it off every month for the bonuses, all show up in the comments

Unless it was something easy like buying dollar coins on a CC and turning them in for cash at the bank you actually have to put in work for those benefits.

Blogger Matthew March 08, 2017 6:41 PM  

Pro tip for not playing with poop:

If you think a commenter is being dishonest, don't respond. We ban liars, not idiots.

Pro tip for learning to recognize liars:

Trust your guts.

Blogger Matthew March 08, 2017 6:45 PM  

BassmanCO wrote:@68 VD, as someone who has done this in the past, you may want to simply promote the idea that you shouldn't comment here unless you are familiar with the territory. I know the longer I have been here, the easier it has been to identify genuine conversation and ignore the trolls.

This ought to be a common cultural understanding. Sadly, it's not.

Just telling people to obey the rules clearly doesn't work, though. There's a line right above the comment box telling people not to comment as Anonymous, yet they still do it.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) March 08, 2017 6:49 PM  

79. SirHamster March 08, 2017 6:35 PM
Must be sock puppets.



PZ Myers is a sock puppet?

someone should inform him ...

Blogger SirHamster March 08, 2017 6:50 PM  

Matthew wrote:Just telling people to obey the rules clearly doesn't work, though. There's a line right above the comment box telling people not to comment as Anonymous, yet they still do it.

Something something dialectic.

Dunce hats? Thwack on muzzle with rolled up newspaper? Personal electrotherapy session with Pence?

Anonymous Eduardo March 08, 2017 6:58 PM  

@79

I think that person meant that Vox is... well... Inferior and therefore he sucks and can't be trusted let alone followed in any capacity.

U_u BUT he is our Nigger! He is the DARK Lord after all!

There see I knew we were all not racists all along, start spreading the word!

(Just found out I converted to inches wrong... I am 5'7" O_O I ruined my jokes with this blunder t_t)

Blogger James Dixon March 08, 2017 7:18 PM  

>One would think a commenter feeding a troll (which I've been guilty of myself on occasion) would realize what he was doing and not be bothered if his comments disappear, especially if the troll's also disappear.

As I noted in a previous thread, one of my faults is I like to play with my food. But I never object if my responses get deleted. And I am getting better at refraining as the trolls become more obvious.

Of course ray, et.al., aren't garden variety trolls of the liberal persuasion, since they're attacking Vox directly.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy March 08, 2017 7:21 PM  

Matthew wrote:If you think a commenter is being dishonest, don't respond. We ban liars, not idiots.
Or folks who are deliberately obnoxious for an extended period. (When that happens, it's totes predictable.)

BBGKB wrote:How will they solve the Tey problem of AIs figuring out the JQ in less than 24 hours?
(a) (((Patent))) the idea of implementing cognitive dissonance within an AI.
(b) Wait for someone to figure out how to actually implement it. (((Sue them))) and take their work.
(c) (((Make a law))) requiring all AIs to have cognitive dissonance support and use it to suppress hatefacts and other badthink.
(d) Profit.

Matthew wrote:BassmanCO wrote:@68 VD, as someone who has done this in the past, you may want to simply promote the idea that you shouldn't comment here unless you are familiar with the territory. I know the longer I have been here, the easier it has been to identify genuine conversation and ignore the trolls.
This ought to be a common cultural understanding. Sadly, it's not.

Once upon a time, Wikipedia considered being ‘familiar with the territory’ to be a sign that a new editor was a troll. In retrospect, any community whose recruitment efforts favor the clueless over the clueful deserves the people it gets.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 08, 2017 7:31 PM  

@86 James Dixon
As I noted in a previous thread, one of my faults is I like to play with my food.

But poop is not food. Right?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 08, 2017 8:05 PM  

James Dixon wrote:Of course ray, et.al., aren't garden variety trolls of the liberal persuasion, since they're attacking Vox directly.
Tad.
Again.

Anonymous CC March 08, 2017 8:23 PM  

For anyone interested in the shadowy life of a paid troll, this is an interesting link. Can't remember where I came across it (might even have been here)

http://consciouslifenews.com/paid-internet-shill-shadowy-groups-manipulate-internet-opinion-debate/1147073/

Each popular poster was classified as “hostile,” “friendly,” or “indifferent” to my goal. We were supposed to cultivate friendship with the friendly posters as well as the mods (basically, by brownnosing and sucking up), and there were even notes on strategies for dealing with specific hostile posters. The info was pretty detailed, but not perfect in every case. “If you can convert one of the hostile posters from the enemy side to our side, you get a nice bonus. But this doesn’t happen too often, sadly. So mostly you’ll be attacking them and trying to smear them.”
[...]
After a while of doing this, I started to feel bad. Not because of the views I was pushing (as I said, I was first apolitical, then pro-Israel), but because of the dishonesty involved. If my arguments were so correct, I wondered, why did we have to do this in the first place? Shouldn’t truth propagate itself naturally, rather than through, well…propaganda? And who was behind this whole operation, anyway? Who was signing my paychecks? The stress of lying to my parents and friends about being a “consultant” was also getting to me. Finally, I said enough was enough. I quit in September 2011. Since then I’ve been working a series of unglamorous temp office jobs for lower pay. But at least I’m not making my living lying and heckling people who come online to express their views and exercise freedom of speech.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 08, 2017 8:32 PM  

@VFM #7634
"One would think a commenter feeding a troll..."

Yeah, I've certainly done this myself, and you'd think the pattern of disappearances would make the reason clear in this kind of case.

Blogger Aeoli Pera March 08, 2017 8:43 PM  

That's 13.56 posts per profile. Regardless of whether they're hasbara or posting at their day jobs...these are not very hardworking people.

Blogger James Dixon March 08, 2017 9:06 PM  

> But poop is not food. Right?

No, but the producer may be.

Blogger Matthew March 08, 2017 9:08 PM  

It even takes a long long time for Vox to ban the relentlessly annoying commenters. Viz:

scoobius doobius

Porky

Taylor

CL

thordaddy

Anonymous Eduardo March 08, 2017 9:18 PM  

@93

James, you can't eat the guy through the screen!

Anonymous weston March 08, 2017 9:46 PM  

An important topic. One wonders what the percentage would be for "immigration reform" or a wall with Mexico?

But I think it is important for those on what could be called the right or anti-establishment side to keep in mind that a large percentage of folks are just unhappy with all choices on important policies. In other words, they don't like Obamacare but doubt the Republicans can do any better. People like Ryan inspire negative confidence. They are corporate whores and the corporate whoredom is the big problem.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) March 08, 2017 9:55 PM  

94. Matthew March 08, 2017 9:08 PM
It even takes a long long time for Vox to ban the relentlessly annoying commenters. Viz:



Tiny Tim

Mann Organ/Ann Morgan

yttik

bkm

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 08, 2017 10:06 PM  

" Like that guy who called Vox a nigger the other day. Which of course means Vox is a racist. "
Don't forget he's also a gommie double naught spy. Weezy has proof, just axe DL.
I tell ya he is one busy guy.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 08, 2017 10:13 PM  

Let's go back in the day :
Morgan of the Lake ( a detestable harlot supreme )
Soup
Chuck Pelto
cosmos
beelzebub
cedarford
And several other easily forgotten sods.
Many skulls have been stacked over the years on this here blog.

Blogger JWM in SD March 08, 2017 10:21 PM  

Truth be told, no one was as fast with the banhammer as Denninger.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) March 08, 2017 10:42 PM  

ah,
Bearded Spock

Phoenician in a time of Romans

who was the goomba loon who works at the nature center and likes Muse?

Blogger Lazarus March 08, 2017 10:43 PM  

jOHN MOSBY wrote:Chuck Pelto

I kinda liked Chuck Pelto. He helped spur on the epic Japanese Invasion threads.

And there was some David guy who was running for president.

As the Grateful Dead said: " What a long strange trip it's been".

Blogger Lazarus March 08, 2017 10:52 PM  

Poop alert.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft March 08, 2017 11:30 PM  

Poop sighted.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 08, 2017 11:30 PM  

" And there was some David guy who was running for president. "
David Caldwell, I thought he was an alright guy, he didn't seem to be a troll to me.
I do miss Bane rippin' Morgan a new one,tho.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft March 08, 2017 11:30 PM  

I keep dead threads open way too long without refreshing ^^.

Blogger Lazarus March 08, 2017 11:33 PM  

jOHN MOSBY wrote:David Caldwell, I thought he was an alright guy, he didn't seem to be a troll to me.

No, not a troll, but notable, nevertheless.

Blogger Lazarus March 08, 2017 11:39 PM  

jOHN MOSBY wrote:I do miss Bane rippin' Morgan a new one,tho.

Just imagine Bane being around for the ascendency of GE Trump.

Que sera, sera, yes?

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 08, 2017 11:41 PM  

Pretty Lady.
Spacebunny used to wop her upside the head real good.
I.m trying to remember what that groid from joisey's name was that always liked calling me a cross burnin' redneck ( like that's a bad thing ) that went full chimp for me callin' him a moon cricket ( which he was ) .

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 08, 2017 11:55 PM  

Yeah, Lazarus , The Jap fleet stuff was some of this blog's finest hours.
As for the late great Bane, as well as the White Buffalo, as Vox said way back when, they were truly masters of the poison tongue.

Anonymous Mr. Rational March 09, 2017 12:06 AM  

VFM #7634 wrote:Right-wing trolls are genuine. Nobody pays them.
Can confirm.  Troll a certain lefty site for nothing but the LULz.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 09, 2017 2:40 AM  

" who was the goomba loon who works at the nature center and likes Muse? "
I remember who you are talking about, bob k. , be damn if I can remember the name tho.
beep is the plate lips name I was thinking of, pretty sure that was it.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 09, 2017 2:58 AM  

"Just imagine Bane being around for the ascendency of GE Trump."
Angel of death First Class shedding a single tear whilst sharpening his reaper scythe and helping Based Stick dude get r'done from up above.
God rest his soul.

Blogger Buybuydandavis March 09, 2017 3:18 AM  

VD wrote:I sometimes wonder if there isn't a lucrative niche available for the first company to do disqus correctly -

There isn't. No one wants to pay for it.


But maybe a way to bootstrap your own discussion network off of their users.

Anonymous Shlomo Goldberg AKA Wolf Blitzer March 09, 2017 3:26 AM  

When you own printing press you can easily afford to pay for the 'independent opinion' on the net.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 09, 2017 3:35 AM  

113. Buybuydandavis
Do you think Vox would want to cater to most of the Disqus users?
I hated it when I used it, it sucked big time.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY March 09, 2017 3:43 AM  

114. Shlomo Goldberg AKA Wolf Blitzer
Define " independent opinion " as you mean it. Be honest.
Thank you in advance.

Anonymous Luke March 09, 2017 4:14 AM  

32. Shut up rabbit March 08, 2017 2:13 PM
RabidRatel wrote:
"Soros must have real good antidote for his trolls..."


"A few bucks to buy your next fix of heroin"

More like (impure) crack, HRT, Xanax/Prozac, or AZT.

Blogger IreneAthena March 09, 2017 4:41 AM  

@98 Is Morgan of the Lake the same Morgan who is now published by Castalia house? I thought she was smart and funny.
*
I am concerned--and I wish I could get paid for being concerned--about the recent uptick in vandalism of US synagogues and mosques. Many in my circle of acquaintances link those activities with all Trump supporters. If you Alt-Righters regularly expressed your disapproval of those incidents, you might get a broader hearing, and you might also convince some on the fringes of the Alt-Right to refrain from wanton acts of destruction. Self-defense is a different matter entirely.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 09, 2017 12:58 PM  

IreneAthena wrote:I am concerned--and I wish I could get paid for being concerned--about the recent uptick in vandalism of US synagogues and mosques.
If there is such an uptick,and there's almost certainly not, it would be because the lefties, Jews and Muzzies are doing it themselves.

Many in my circle of acquaintances link those activities with all Trump supporters. If you Alt-Righters regularly expressed your disapproval of those incidents, you might get a broader hearing, and you might also convince some on the fringes of the Alt-Right to refrain from wanton acts of destruction. Self-defense is a different matter entirely.
Fuck you. Denounce what you like. I don't denounce, I don't dance to a (((Leftie))) tune and I don't shoot right. If it is people on the right, well, go talk to them.
I'll think about it when Lefties start denouncing the people on their side that routinely call for the death (not vandalism, DEATH) of Whites and or men. You will note their either ignore or chuckle along with these people.
Denouncing has NEVER, EVER, EVER worked the way you think it does. Denouncing is just the next step down from apologizing. A call to denounce is an extreme form of calling the tune to which we are allowed to dance.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 09, 2017 2:16 PM  

I sometimes wonder if there isn't a lucrative niche available for the first company to do disqus correctly -

There isn't. No one wants to pay for it.


I'm still ticked that Disqus was squishy enough to get rid of their downvote counts, while keeping the downvote button -- I'm guessing to pander to the snowflakes. What the fvck is the point of keeping the downvote button at all?

Blogger IreneAthena March 10, 2017 4:14 AM  

@119 @118 Before I respond to the content of your remark. I need to get this out of the way: You are quite articulate, and you needn't use vulgarity with me to get your point across, Snidely Whiplash. Perhaps you are so young that the phrase doesn't carry the sting it used to, when a man's saying that to a woman was tantamount to his slapping her around. I'll assume that the phrase doesn't carry the same connotation of violent malice for you that it does for me.

I don't denounce, I don't dance to a ((((Leftie))) tune and I don't shoot right.

Oh, but I didn't suggest "denouning" anyone, did I Snidely "Puts Words in My Mouth" Whiplash! "Denouncing" is something one does to Satan and all his evil works. What I envisioned Alt-Righters doing vis-à-vis synagogue/mosque vandalism was to "express[ed] their disapproval of those incidents." That isn't shooting right. It's saying, "You're sending the wrong message and making our movement look bad. Cut it the heck out."

Desecration of Jewish graves deserves disapproval at least as vehement as that expressed toward NaziLARPing here on these Vox Popoli threads, by fairly senior members, including the host, as I recall.

[Sure, a percentage of the left are violent, and quite possibly there has been more violence from the left than there has been from the right. Don't think that I intend to refrain from urging moderate leftists to stifle the left's most violent representatives. The comment section of Vox Popoli, however, is clearly not the place to appeal to the moderate leftists better angels. It's where I try to appeal to yours.]

Blogger SirHamster March 10, 2017 2:21 PM  

IreneAthena wrote:Desecration of Jewish graves deserves disapproval at least as vehement as that expressed toward NaziLARPing here on these Vox Popoli threads, by fairly senior members, including the host, as I recall.

The anti-semitism of Nature and Climate Change must be denounced.

Blogger IreneAthena March 11, 2017 12:59 AM  

@122 SirHamster Nature and Climate as culprits vs. the Snidely Whiplash @119 theory: the lefties, Jews and Muzzies are doing it themselves.

The article SirHamster linked to states: "New York State Assemblyman Dov Hikind posted images of the damaged tombstones on social media sites and called for a further investigation into the incident. The incident happened in the background of a series of anti-Semitic incidents within the country. Over the past few weeks, Jewish cemeteries were vandalized in Rochester, Philadelphia and St. Louis."

So yeah, recent desecration of Jewish cemeteries is really "a thing" and do you know what one of Trump's buddies did about it? From the St. Louis Riverfront Times:

Vice President Mike Pence made an unannounced stop this afternoon at a Jewish cemetery in St. Louis where vandals toppled nearly 200 headstones.

"There’s no place in America for hatred or acts of prejudice or violence or anti-Semitism," Pence told an overflow crowd at Chesed Shel Emeth. "I must tell you that the people of Missouri are inspiring the nation by your love and care for this place, for the Jewish community, and I want to thank you for that inspiration — for showing the world what America is really about."

Pence was in St. Louis for a scheduled stop at a Fabick Cat, a Caterpillar equipment sales and service shop in Fenton. After his speech on small business, he made a surprise detour to the cemetery, which vandals struck over the weekend. He joined Gov. Eric Greitens and hundreds of volunteers who have been working to clean up and repair the damaged headstones.


Snidely Whiplash would be above all that, of course.

Blogger IreneAthena March 11, 2017 1:09 AM  

Maybe his better angels wouldn't be, though. Amen.

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