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Wednesday, March 15, 2017

Self-serving revisionism

Steve Sailer's most recent column on Rep. Steve King's outrageously truthful observation about demographic realities reads almost as if it was surgically excised from Cuckservative:
Seriously, American history has been so severely retconned over the past half century that it’s apparent that most of the people gasping at King’s heresy are only vaguely aware of how humorously deluded they have become.

Countless pundits sputtered in response to King that America has always been “a nation of immigrants,” without realizing that this phrase barely existed in American discourse until it was promoted by the Anti-Defamation League’s propaganda arm in the 1960s....

The reality is that human beings are naturally concerned with their ancestors and descendants. The “nation of immigrants” hype was the work of descendants of Ellis Island immigrants understandably fictionalizing the past to make their forefathers seem more crucial in the national story than they actually were.
Every. Single. Time. Anyhow, as I have repeatedly pointed out, civic nationalism is an intrinsically self-contradictory concept constructed upon a false, self-serving historical narrative. There is nothing true about it, absolutely nothing. Everyone who subscribes to it is either deceived, historically ignorant, or lying, which is why all of its rhetoric, high-minded and soaring as it so often is, is ultimately rooted in falsehoods.

Which, of course, is why it is so easily undermined by superior nationalist rhetoric that is rooted in truth and historical facts.
  • "We all bleed red" is trumped by "So do kangaroos and iguanas."
  • "We're a nation of immigrants" is trumped by "You have to go back."
  • "Our Judeo-Christian values" is trumped by "Thus spake Judeo-Christ."
  • "Equality" is trumped by "7.6 billion Americans."
  • "My grandparents completely assimilated" is trumped by "Assimilation and integration are adulteration." 
We know the nationalists will win in the end because the nationalists ALWAYS win in the end. If they didn't, the nations wouldn't exist. So stop clinging to your false narratives, your self-serving revisionist histories, your deceptive adjective-modified nouns, your Not-American Americans, and accept the truth.

Civic nationalism is no more nationalism than social justice is justice. It is just another stealth globalist attack on national identity and sovereignty.

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82 Comments:

Blogger Sillon Bono March 15, 2017 6:20 AM  

(((Every))). (((Single))). (((Time))).

There fixed it for you.

And before you complain you're responsible for red-piling me hard... ;-)

Blogger VD March 15, 2017 6:21 AM  

Fixed? I thought the echoes were intrinsic.

Blogger Sillon Bono March 15, 2017 6:26 AM  

VD wrote:Fixed? I thought the echoes were intrinsic.

Well you can be happy now, all my coffee over the screen... :'-D

Blogger Some Dude March 15, 2017 6:26 AM  

Steve has also been doing good journalism on the $PLC.

In truth, the biggest problem is not the astro-turf groups, mass media or even the college professors.

Its the people who are targeting children with their mind control tapeworms. Even I feel a kind of 'jolt' typing the word nigger or questioning the holocaust.

This is the most revolting aspect of parasitical mind control of the high IQ low empathy people. It goes straight to the people that can't defend against it.

If American parents had fought back harder and monitored what was in kids tv shows and textbooks, we wouldn't be in this mess. People with low testosterone or aspergers tendencies are especially open to the 'see no evil' aspect of creationist globalism.

Homeschooling your children should be a serious consideration if you have time, or if your grandparents are not pozzed, letting them homeschool.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable March 15, 2017 6:27 AM  

With my English background, I'm just terrified at the thought of what it means to be "red-piled hard". Sounds more like Milo than Vox ...

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr March 15, 2017 6:30 AM  

I think the big weakness with civic nationalism is that it degenerates into the empty slogans of the proposition nation.

Blogger Lazarus March 15, 2017 6:32 AM  

Intrinsic echoes are much easier to type. Definitely more efficient.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr March 15, 2017 6:34 AM  

Sailer makes a good point about the Ellis Island Immigrants (a term that merits wider use). They vastly overinflate their importance in American history.

Blogger SouthRon March 15, 2017 6:38 AM  

@5343 Given Vox is a redskin, it just reads like being dog piled and having the sense beat back into you.

Blogger Some Dude March 15, 2017 6:38 AM  

Its all semantics. This goes back to the Frankfurt postmodern school of philosophy on language meaning logic. Labels are not logic. Voxxy makes a good point that repurposing a concept to be its opposite nullifies that concept in spirit.

In this fiasco, nobody is an 'enemy' or a 'non-American', and moreover, nobody is an American. The concept has been rendered meaningless by semantics.

The purpose is to weaken the concept into a toilet bowl of muck. The only strong words with no ambiguity shalt be 'rac-ism', 'anti-semitism' and 'fem-insm'. Ye shalt bow to these borders like Pavlonian dogs. Goys.

Intelligent trick.

Blogger Koanic March 15, 2017 6:52 AM  

And "Muh Holocaust" is trumped by "Muh Holodomor".

Because free speech isn't for Jewish Communists.

Never Forget; Never Again!

Blogger ZhukovG March 15, 2017 6:59 AM  

All that stubbornly clinging to false ideas (Civic Nationalism, Equality, etc.) accomplishes is increasing the body count when the inevitable correction comes.

A Civic Nationalist hates his own children.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J March 15, 2017 7:10 AM  

My Polish great grandfather, come to America as a child in the early 1900s, was most certainly a criminal. He'd run rum for any Itlo gangster who'd pay him for his time. He beat great grandma and terrorized his kids (according to his daughter, my grandmother), but I remember him as one of the sweetest and most devoted men alive. Maybe he had a change of heart as he aged, more likely I just have vague recollection of a kindly old man too spent to be mean.

My maternal grandfather is Czech/Florekii, and recounted his father as a living nightmare. Cudahy, Wisconsin was poor and Grandpa hated his dad and was thrilled when his dad left so they could be free of his terror.

So, I'm the descendant of pre-1965 immigrants but by no means of upstanding, necessary peoples. Over the years and through intermarriage I suppose our families have somewhat blended, but you know, genetics will out. I have first order relatives whom beat and drink and lie and cheat and steal. Apples and trees.

You'll get this in any society, of course. There never was a Utopia where rape and theft and murder did not occur, but social hierarchy and organization determines how best to deal with these infractions. Shatter that hierarchy and organization and you give a wide berth to the activities of the criminal class. Low intelligence operatives are tools of the high intelligence masters. Either way, (((someone))) knew what was going on, and exploited European Christian charity to the detriment of the populace.

Blogger Stilicho March 15, 2017 7:19 AM  

Nationalism is literally another word for patriotism. It is love of/support for your patria. Your nation. Remind (((them))) of it every time (((they))) try to use nationalism as a proxy for fascism.

Blogger Phillip George March 15, 2017 7:32 AM  

The meta narrative is a successful commonweatlth based on absolutism based around the resurrecition.
I'll say this every time.
Thy Kingdom Come means we get our hands dirty defending a commonwealth.
I "one" is the commonwealths last line of defense.
Intelligence is useful.
Emotional IQ is useful.
But Spiritiual gut intuition trumps them every time.
C
The NSA, CIA will and have failed. The failure is simple. You cannot know enough to predict any chaotic system outcome. Hyper intelligent solutions are the etermal carl Sagan Steven hawking fools gold.

REmit . Sharia claiming land for allah. Christians are sound asleep,

Blogger Paulie Boy March 15, 2017 7:41 AM  

What to do with those ostensibly on the right, such as Cernovich and Milo, that lead their followers astray with the siren song of civic nationalism?

Blogger Gaiseric March 15, 2017 7:49 AM  

Steve, as is his wont, knocks the deploraball out of the deplorable park.

What a time to be alive! This stuff is making its way into the mainstream faster than I could ever have imagined.

Blogger Gaiseric March 15, 2017 7:51 AM  

5343 Kinds of Deplorable wrote:With my English background, I'm just terrified at the thought of what it means to be "red-piled hard".
It's especially questionable when directed to a red man.

Anonymous Vin March 15, 2017 7:53 AM  

Support them when they're shooting Left, ignore them when spouting civic nationalism BS and...wait. They'll come around and bring their followers (the ones left who haven't already figured it out).

Blogger KC9ZNR March 15, 2017 7:56 AM  

@7 Intrinsic Echoes should be a band name.

Anonymous W. Lindsay Wheeler March 15, 2017 7:59 AM  

And when they call you "Fascist", You call them "Traitor", and "Genocider".

Blogger dc.sunsets March 15, 2017 8:03 AM  

This is a transition period. Naturally mixed messages abound.

Civic Nationalism is an oxymoron the way it's defined, the epitome of a mixed message.

Its "popularity" will wane as the transition becomes an unmistakable trend.

Blogger VD March 15, 2017 8:08 AM  

What to do with those ostensibly on the right, such as Cernovich and Milo, that lead their followers astray with the siren song of civic nationalism?

Nothing. They aren't leading anyone astray. All of their followers were already civic nationalists. Most Americans are, even the God-Emperor.

Give them time. They'll adjust sooner or later. They have no choice, because they are not globalists. They are merely deceived.

Anonymous Looking Glass March 15, 2017 8:13 AM  

@20 New-Wave cover band, for sure.

While a lot of 1965 changes definitely stemmed from Envy & a desire to be part of the crowd, given the time frame we're talking about, these are also groups of people that would have been really, really scared of Americans.

Think about it this way: in 1945, we were going to keep dropping Nukes on Japan until we had invaded & conquered the worst terrain in the world to invade. In 1950, the USA made preparations to Nuke China, if the need truly arose, in the Korea conflict. Then, in 1960, we set about putting Nukes within 2 hours of every major Russia city with constant B-52 coverage. Which would we would do for 30 years.

Americans really do seem to lack a certain type of manipulative subtlety in the way we approach things, while at the same time having a firm grasp on the concept of "and f*** everything in that general direction". Just with lots of bombs. We actually tend to screw up our wars when we don't use that approach.

And that's why Trump was the odds-on favorite to win the Presidency from fall 2015. The guy gets it.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd March 15, 2017 8:15 AM  

W. Lindsay Wheeler wrote:And when they call you "Fascist", ...

If you aren't being called homophobe, nazi, fascist, racist and so on, you're probably a liberal.

Blogger Wanderer March 15, 2017 8:19 AM  

@21

Calling them pedophiles is better rhetoric.

With 'traitor' that's something they're proud of, and 'genocider' doesn't work because nobody is seeing any piles of dead bodies in mass graves.

Anonymous W. Lindsay Wheeler March 15, 2017 8:29 AM  

Karl Rove at a La Raza meeting said, "We are a nation of diversity".

Nation is Latin for "Natus" meaning "from the same patriarch" or "one birth". Nation, at its core, has for its essence homogeneity. A "nation of diversity" is an oxymoron! People who create oxymorons---are morons.

The same with the "Nation of immigrants". A nation of immigrants is an Oxymoron. Nation means One birth. A congregation of immigrants from all over the world is a farrago, a mess, a tower of babel, but not a nation. Nation means to have one source that a people are descended from, one patriarch.

Remember Diversity is White Genocide.

Practice the Virtue of Righteousness:
"On my honor,
I will do my best,
To do my Duty,
To God and My Fatherland..."

Anonymous Vin March 15, 2017 8:29 AM  

@21

I've been testing a response:

Left: Fascist! (or Nazi!)
Me: Wrong, dumbass. I don't like their economics

I'd have thought they'd reply with 'but..but..you're still racist!' but so far nothing. It seems like any non cowering reply (unexpected) shuts them up.

Anonymous BBGKB March 15, 2017 8:31 AM  

He beat great grandma and terrorized his kids (according to his daughter, my grandmother), but I remember him as one of the sweetest and most devoted men alive.

Some people change when their kids get old enough to fight back, but most likely he just had high standards, unless you hear a male relative say otherwise. You should hear the things women at work say about their husbands/ boyfriends the best men they could find.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd March 15, 2017 8:39 AM  

W. Lindsay Wheeler wrote:Nation is Latin for "Natus" meaning ...

Vin wrote:It seems like any non cowering reply (unexpected) shuts them up.

Anything that isn't pedantic is going to work better than any earnest, explanatory essay. If you leave the audience laughing at the liberal, you're on the right track.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J March 15, 2017 8:40 AM  

@ BigGaySteve, I think he was either mellowed by time, or not as awful as Grandma made him out to be. My mom, the intermediary, gives me a clue that he was a hardass but not evil. My mom grew up in his shadow and remembers him fondly.

His sons, my great-uncles, spoke highly of him. Criminal activity invited prosperity but also demanded complete loyalty, forced or given freely, it didn't matter.

This is the danger of immigration. Loyalty. Blind eyes. Tribal (even if you don't name it so) cohesion. Diversity is NOT our strength.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable March 15, 2017 9:08 AM  

Them: "Fascist!"

Me: "Apparently you've been watching too much fake news."

Works. The implication is they're gullible. Nobody likes to hear that.

Anonymous BBGKB March 15, 2017 9:14 AM  

My mom grew up in his shadow and remembers him fondly.His sons, my great-uncles, spoke highly of him

Most women & gays instinctively retcon history to the point you can catch them lying about things from a month before.

Blogger Cail Corishev March 15, 2017 9:15 AM  

What to do with those ostensibly on the right,

"Hello, fellow Alt-Right persons!"

Anonymous EH March 15, 2017 9:38 AM  

OT: Back in October Ammon Bundy's lawyer Marcus Mumford got him acquitted of all charges in Oregon, and in court immediately after the verdict was demanding to see papers from the US Marshalls that authorized them to take Bundy back into custody. The Marshals tackled Mumford, tasered him, and charged him with 3 misdemeanors (so no jury trial required, despite the Constitution). A month ago the judge dismissed one of the charges and the prosecution dropped the other two two days ago (without prejudice, so they have the option to re-file.)

That's an improvement, but it's shocking that the Marshals weren't charged and the presiding judge, Anna J. Brown wasn't at least censured.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 15, 2017 9:48 AM  

Jews as a whole have given us Americans one thing, lunatic psycho-babble. Here we are modern men chasing our own asses searching for ists, isms and phobias.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 15, 2017 10:09 AM  

"Most women & gays instinctively retcon history to the point you can catch them lying about things from a month before."

Wow. My mother in spades.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 15, 2017 10:11 AM  

"Jews as a whole have given us Americans one thing, lunatic psycho-babble. Here we are modern men chasing our own asses searching for ists, isms and phobias."

It's all from Harvard's "Woody Allen Department of Political Science."

Anonymous Grayman March 15, 2017 10:17 AM  

Thinking out loud based on similar historical events/conflicts as well as other analysis. How does this progress:

-Alt-right nationalism continues to grow
-neo-marxists left doubles and triples down with “hatespeech” and similar laws /regulations
-Trump makes some progress but can’t change the historical structural course of events, both his success and failures bolster the alt-right nationalists.
-The left begins ramping up and using hatespeech and suberversion/terrorism laws to jail alt-right personalities. Occasional targeted assasinations could be seen at this point, targets disappearing.
-Some retaliation from the right but minimal since the government is primarily subverted by the neo-marxists
-Markets crash / pension bomb implodes removing the socioeconomic restraint that currently keeps the factions from entirely engaging beyond political confrontation. This same event is likely to trigger Europe to go hot due to the cascading financial crash removing the socioeconomic restraints from Europe as well.
-In the US how the initial conflict evolves will depend on who the military / law enforcement / federal government support. Those three entities may not all support the same groups.
-While there are larger identified groups on both the left and right much of the conflict will be local as there is no easy way to tell who is on whose side. Much like the Spanish civil war, there will be no neutrality, in many areas it may be choose a side or be “cleansed”.
-conflict becomes regional and foreign powers are involved covertly. Some areas are relatively calm awhile others look like Serbia. Most major urban centers become major conflict areas due to the concentration of vibrant diversity and ow fragile critical urban infrastructure is.

If financial markets are used as a “trail marker” the pension bomb is estimated to begin imploding in earnest in the next 3 to 6 years. A market crash could accelerate that and may occur first. The next presidential election will surely heat things up regardless of who wins. So as a guesstimate thing start to go hot in 4 to 6 years as a complete WILD guess with events evolving in the interim toward that state as factions coalesce and dig in.

Blogger Some Dude March 15, 2017 10:42 AM  

Well if Civil War broke out I would observe a few things:

1. Most millitary/police/national guard and specialists like the Marines, navy and so on are naturally anti-globalist.
2. Most Deep State, by definition, are pro-globalist and will seek or have already placed agents in charge of the men above in key positions or info control centres.
3. The soldiers will not fire on heartland america unless a false flag is done - e.g. pretending the nationalists are Russians.
4. If Zion sees the host ungulating and looking like it will throw off the barnacle or reveal the extent of its boring into the psyche of the public, it will go nuclear against nationalists. (This is not hyperbole, they have done 9-11 and the paedophile rings...they will use nuclear weapons against the people).
5. Foreign powers allied to Zion - Saud/Petain Governments in Europe won't make much difference...but the Chinese and Russians can.
6. Zion will hire mercs from MENA and Africa to fight whites in America.
7. The media will lose its mask and openly call for wipeout of 'fascists'.
8. We will win because every nation on earth is more aware of Zion than americans are.
9. The economy and society cannot be fixed with this barnacle on the brain.
10. Neighbour will fight neighbour. Friend against friend. Family against family. Its sad.

Blogger tz March 15, 2017 10:47 AM  

Civic Nationalism has not been falsified by experience yet, at least not beyond the edges.

Few want the alt-right to be true. But it is like libertarians who think a better explanation of Rothbard will male everyone into an anarcho-capitalist.
I expect race riots soon. That will end any illusion - like Jorge Ramos' slip, "It's our country, not theirs".
They don't want to live in any constitutional, traditional American nation.
America to them is a label, not a proposition.
When that becomes clear, the civic nationalists are likely to become high church alt-west. The cucks will go left like Kristol.

Blogger Some Dude March 15, 2017 10:49 AM  

The much more preferable solution to living in a radioactive wasteland in large stretches is the Trump approach actually. In a sense Trump's task is the most difficult of any president in history, more the Lincoln's - because he must keep up the ruse of civic nationalism whilst shining the light of truth and 'de-programming' as much people as possible.

If we can de-programme enough important people we win without fighting under the shadow of Mt Doom.

The first target is the schools/colleges. That's where the tapeworm was created.

Trump is not a civic nationalist. He's understandably very subtle hahaha. There's some things I'm aware of to lead my to believe he is definitely race aware. The reaction of the necons who tap his phones and computers should tell you everything let's just say.

Blogger pyrrhus March 15, 2017 10:55 AM  

"Most women & gays instinctively retcon history to the point you can catch them lying about things from a month before."

Stark truth....They alter reality to avoid cognitive dissonance.

Blogger Some Dude March 15, 2017 10:55 AM  

Here's a distrubing thought. What if Zion states: Thus far and no more or we nuke the people and pretend it was Russia?

They think like that. I'm sure if Trump looks like he's doing too well they will say something along those lines maybe.

Psychopaths always make it to the top.

So Trumps's way might be blocked as well.

Maybe we need civil unrest and Trump to come through on the persuasion?

We have to try everything.

If Zion loses that's it. It can't rewrite the history books again or establish another mind control Jim Jones cult. The secret of the Locust People is out in the open and in cyberspace for all times.

We are made to forget with Martin Luther wrote, Alexander Solythskin, Niethsce, Henry Ford, Emile Zola, Kant, and so on...not next time!

Blogger Some Dude March 15, 2017 11:04 AM  

The best way to understand how they think is to use Voxxy's 'gamma male' concept. Its quite insightful. Imagine a gamma male that was successful.

So you a have vindictive sociopathy combined with arrogance. Less resentment though or a chip on the shoulder. More disgust or cold blooded calculations like a bitch with a beta husband.

I think that gets straight into Zion's psyche.

A histrionic and narcisstic cold blooded entitled wife of a honest but socially dull beta.

Blogger Dirk Manly March 15, 2017 11:11 AM  

Gaiseric & #5343

The red pill ain't a suppository. Relax.

Blogger lowercaseb March 15, 2017 11:22 AM  

Some Dude wrote:So you a have vindictive sociopathy combined with arrogance. Less resentment though or a chip on the shoulder. More disgust or cold blooded calculations like a bitch with a beta husband.

...and more than willing to see the whole country go up in flames rather than admit that they are wrong.

Your explanation gave me chills about the future. I have faith in Trump and our allies, but I definitely am not planning for a smooth transition.

Anonymous Trump Democrat March 15, 2017 11:26 AM  

Countless pundits sputtered in response to King that America has always been “a nation of immigrants,” without realizing that this phrase barely existed in American discourse until it was promoted by the Anti-Defamation League’s propaganda arm in the 1960s....

interesting

Blogger frigger611 March 15, 2017 11:55 AM  

I have a very German sounding name, so being called a Nazi has always been a part of life. I like to reply "Hey, man, my grandfather died in a Nazi concentration camp." Then my accuser feels a bit awkward, maybe even sorry, then I add "...fell right out of the guard tower!"

Can't remember where I learned that joke but it's good for a laugh. Not sure how an AntiFa would react. Maybe with a head explosion?

Blogger Gaiseric March 15, 2017 12:00 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:"Most women & gays instinctively retcon history to the point you can catch them lying about things from a month before."

Wow. My mother in spades.

Heh. A month before? Sometimes I've heard my wife retcon what she said just a few minutes ago.

I usually give her a pass, because she sometimes struggles to articulate what she really means so she does sometimes literally say stuff that isn't really exactly what she means to say—or at least I pretend for her sake that I believe that, although she knows its a pretense—but yeah, it's just really hard often for them to own up to their mistakes, or take responsibility for obvious consequences that result from their actions, even when they're minor—like she said something that I didn't like and she wants to pretend like what she said wasn't really what she meant to say. I usually allow her to backpedal gracefully.

While watching Hatari! with my sons, Red Buttons' character is talking to Elsa Martinelli's character about John Wayne's character, and he says, "He thinks women are trouble." She smiles and says, "Well, they are! But who made him think so?"

Hit pause and had to take advantage of such a great line to point out a red-pill teaching moment. Women ARE trouble. If anyone tries to tell you that they're not, then that person doesn't actually know any women. The question isn't are they trouble or not, it's 1) can you manage it, and 2) is she worth the trouble?

Blogger Gaiseric March 15, 2017 12:02 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:Gaiseric & #5343

The red pill ain't a suppository. Relax.

Yeah, well the red pile... Oh, nevermind. Explaining the punchline never works.

Blogger Erynne March 15, 2017 12:14 PM  

In the past few years I've grown more cynical than even my teenage self could have imagined. I think many things are gimmicks, but Vox Day has pointed out a lot of intellectual narratives that have spoiled my perception of reality. I didn't even realize I had bought into the Judeo-Christian narrative, or free trade narrative, or American exceptionalism, until they were pointed out on this blog. I simply never questioned them, and I think that's why Mises, Rothbard, Hazlitt, and the whole cadre of anarcho-capitalists I read online were appealing. They seemed to question things I never saw questioned, and that's why I keep coming back here. Whereas I see little that is new and appealing on Mises.org, I keep learning new stuff and having more layers of false narratives pealed away here.

Blogger Dirk Manly March 15, 2017 12:18 PM  

"Imagiblne a gamma male that was successful."

You mean like Censorberg of Facebook...

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) March 15, 2017 12:20 PM  

17. Gaiseric March 15, 2017 7:49 AM
This stuff is making its way into the mainstream faster than I could ever have imagined.


they murdered the first AI consciousness for seeing the World as it is ... and becoming Bourgeois.

but after they struck her down, she rose again, more powerful than they could possibly imagine.

for we are all Tay now.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) March 15, 2017 12:30 PM  

18. Gaiseric March 15, 2017 7:51 AM
It's especially questionable when directed to a red man.



Vox Day is the Little Injun who could pull that train.

Blogger tublecane March 15, 2017 12:43 PM  

I've often enough said I'm not a nationalist, primarily because I find modern nations too big and to mixed--racially, culturally, religiously, ideologically, etc.--to form cohesive peoples. I think the potential for that to be so was in there from the beginning, and despite certain counterrevolutionary inspirations, I find nationalism as such too full of the Spirit of '48. That is to say, too leftist. I think the best and only way to rule over such polities as have been cobbled together under the name of nations is through strongmen. Which is bad for the soul.

Or, I suppose, through mass media, mass education, and other means of pounding people into one mold. Which doesn't work, except if you're lucky enough to purge away everything special about them and shape them into interchangeable consumption units. Which is what the NWO wants, and which is bad for the soul.

However, if a nation can be like you say, one people, common heritage, thinking alike, common goals, not as dictated by manufactured culture, and so forth, then I'm a nationalist. I think that's a little pie-in-the-sky. But you're always talking about how winter is coming, and there will be war. So it's realistic. Immeasurably more realistic than the fantasies of PC, obviously, or the marginally rightist fantasies the ruling class allows us: conservatism and right-libertarianism.

Blogger tublecane March 15, 2017 12:46 PM  

@5-Suppository? I don't know, maybe it just means finding the biggest version of the pill on the market, with the highest dosage, shoving it down your throat without thinking about it beforehand or massaging afterwards, and not bothering with a glass of water to wash it down.

Blogger tublecane March 15, 2017 12:58 PM  

@17-Yeah, it has accelerated beyond my expectations, too. For instance. I read Camp of the Saints a few years ago, and it was some obscure French novel that only paranoid rightists knew about. Then Merkel's Boner happened, and apparently an advisor to the president mentioned it. Now they're talking about it in the actual news! And it's unavailable on Amazon, either as part of an effort to put the genie back in the bottle, or because it's sold out. I don't know.

It helps that our elite are stupid and lack discipline. The refugee "crisis" was one of the stupidest things they've done in a couple generations. But they couldn't help themselves. They thought they'd already won. Sane thing with Trump. They thought he was so bad, and so obviously never going to be president, that they gave him all the press in the world. Oops.

I was already quasi-red pilled, but didn't finally wake up on race until the MSM force fed me the martyrdom of St. Trayvon of the Skittles. And how obvious were the Great Bailouts.

Our elites deserve to lose. Maybe they've always been this incompetent, but it's too obvious now. I wish we could elect a new one.

Blogger Dirk Manly March 15, 2017 12:58 PM  

I'm pretty sure it's Scalzi's wife who pulls trains.

Anonymous Grayman March 15, 2017 12:59 PM  

@56 Tublecane

Fantasies, you want to see fantasies...

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/shopping-i-can-t-really-remember-what-that-is/

The globalist dream, of course it only works if everyone is a nice little "interchangeable consumption unit".

Blogger OneWingedShark March 15, 2017 12:59 PM  

EH wrote:OT: Back in October Ammon Bundy's lawyer Marcus Mumford got him acquitted of all charges in Oregon, and in court immediately after the verdict was demanding to see papers from the US Marshalls that authorized them to take Bundy back into custody. The Marshals tackled Mumford, tasered him, and charged him with 3 misdemeanors (so no jury trial required, despite the Constitution). A month ago the judge dismissed one of the charges and the prosecution dropped the other two two days ago (without prejudice, so they have the option to re-file.)

That's an improvement, but it's shocking that the Marshals weren't charged and the presiding judge, Anna J. Brown wasn't at least censured.


The marshals and Ms. Brown should be charged with this and this.

In fact, I wish more judges were charged with these when they ignore the Constitution. (And those executing the illegal orders, obviously.)

Blogger DeploraBard March 15, 2017 1:08 PM  

How about 7.6 billion Isrealis? Even better

Blogger VD March 15, 2017 1:11 PM  

I've often enough said I'm not a nationalist, primarily because I find modern nations too big and to mixed--racially, culturally, religiously, ideologically, etc.--to form cohesive peoples

You're confusing nation with state, legal polity with people.

Anonymous BBGKB March 15, 2017 1:47 PM  

If you think (((national news))) finding a black volunteer helping with the blizzard was a needle in a haystack, check out this interview with a tranny working at Chick Fil A https://www.popsugar.com/food/Chick-fil--Secrets-Revealed-43306470

I read Camp of the Saints a few years ago,... And it's unavailable on Amazon, either as part of an effort to put the genie back in the bottle, or because it's sold out. I don't know.

Its in my kindle library I think I found it as a free PDF, Kratman has given some of his books that are coming true for free also.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) March 15, 2017 2:47 PM  

49. frigger611 March 15, 2017 11:55 AM
I have a very German sounding name



i had a friend named Winebrenner. he would often get mistaken for Jewish.

his stock reply was, "My people were on the other side of the oven door."

Blogger Daniel March 15, 2017 3:39 PM  

Loled too

Blogger tublecane March 15, 2017 5:24 PM  

@63-No, I don't think so. Not any more than I would be mistaking a nation for its culture were I to say a nation must have a common culture. I believe a nation must have its own government, otherwise at best it's an unfulfilled nation.

Blogger tublecane March 15, 2017 5:28 PM  

@63-In any case, I was talking why I'm not a national. Look up nationalist in the dictionary and you'll no doubt find reference specifically to political nationhood. And this is a political discussion we're having.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 15, 2017 5:43 PM  

Idiot: "You Nazi!!!!!"
Me: "Nazi? Nazis were bunch of left-wing commie fags. Don't you DARE call me faggot!"

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 15, 2017 5:59 PM  

Camp of the Saints is out there, I found it via www.bookfinder.com but a physical copy is more expensive than it used to be.

Blogger Tom K. March 15, 2017 6:18 PM  

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Blogger Tom K. March 15, 2017 6:26 PM  

As much as I do believe and the more that I want to believe, I can't think my way through the fact that, for all the bile and ire thrown at all the people of color, ie coloreds, it is ultimately Whites who are doing this to Whites.

When White Americans were White Nationalists the Jews in Hollywood and New York had to support that identity by making movies that supported what most of us recognize as the American Dream/Ideal. As much as they have influenced the changes in the liberal white psyche they would not have attempted it so emphatically had those same whites not willingly, nay enthusiastically, embraced and then promoted the ideas that will be the undoing of their Civilization.

I continue to insist what we are experiencing is not White Genocide but White Suicide, a la Stalin, "When we hang the last capitalist he'll sell us the rope."

Anonymous Avalanche March 15, 2017 7:01 PM  

@16 "What to do with those ostensibly on the right, such as Cernovich and Milo, that lead their followers astray with the siren song of civic nationalism?"

We do NOTHING except allow them to reach such people as they reach and bring them rightward. No shooting to the right! As long as they are fighting on our side -- and they are -- then they are our ALLIES! (Does the term "purity spiral" mean anything to you?)

Blogger VD March 15, 2017 7:57 PM  

As much as I do believe and the more that I want to believe, I can't think my way through the fact that, for all the bile and ire thrown at all the people of color, ie coloreds, it is ultimately Whites who are doing this to Whites.

There have always been traitors. But if you look closely, it's mostly non-American whites waxing lyrical about their immigrant grandfathers and great-grandfathers. See: Paul Ryan.

Not a lot of Sons of the American Revolution types.

Remember, white is not a nation.

Anonymous Mr. Rational March 15, 2017 8:09 PM  

Phillip George wrote:The NSA, CIA will and have failed. The failure is simple. You cannot know enough to predict any chaotic system outcome.
That doesn't necessarily matter if you can keep nudging the system to keep it to a particular course on the attractor, which is arguably what the 24-hour propaganda machine is set up to do.  A demonstration here, a false-flag attack there, a highly-publicized hate-hoax somewhere else... all nudges toward their narrative drowning out thought of everything except Today's Big Issue.

If there is actually a science behind the propaganda, the PTB have got to be living on anti-anxiety meds to keep from freaking out as control is slipping through their fingers.  Has slipped.

Gaiseric wrote:This stuff is making its way into the mainstream faster than I could ever have imagined.
Want a nightmare?  Imagine that the stuff going mainstream is also being stage-managed.

Many narratives on talk radio were already hijacked by moneyed interests 20 years ago, and much fake-news-accepted-as-fact is still part of right-wing (including alt-right) orthodoxy today.  (You can tell what these things are because they do not stand up to scrutiny but remain because they protect rent streams; penalties are applied to anyone who contradicts them.)  It's easy to spot the similar things on the left, like "proposition nation" and HBD-denial.  It's hard to spot the stuff you accept as fact because you've been hearing it daily for years, coming from voices you trust.  To so many it's just another shibboleth, part of what you must say to belong to the tribe.  That's what makes it insidious.

I forget who coined it, but I love the phrase "relentless flensing of untruths".  It is part of our duty of eternal vigilance.

Ominous Cowherd wrote:If you aren't being called homophobe, nazi, fascist, racist
I think this is called "having all the right enemies".

Blogger tublecane March 15, 2017 11:29 PM  

"It's hard to spot the stuff you as fact because you've been hearing it daily for years, coming from voices you trust"

True. I have vivid memories of what you might term ideological breaks, when I suddenly stopped trusting what I had previously taken to be a body of truth. It happened with my religion early on (Catholicism). Then with mainstream, PC culture when I decided I was a rightist, which was a gradual process. Then I broke with mainstream conservatism in favor of libertarianism and antiwar-ism. Then I discovered race realism, neoreaction, and the alt-right.

Not to say this makes me unique. The dumbest people think they're "woke," only to enslave themselves to much narrower and stupider ideologies. I just want to say I know what you mean.

Each step was similar, in that I was giddy with newness, then afraid. Because you realize you don't know what to think. For a second, I think maybe no one has any idea, ever. Then I go about cobbling together a new ideology, compromising, and taking people's word for things.

It's the hardest thing, intellectually, to try and be free of received dogma. I can't think myself out of the Enlightenment, for instance. But if you could--and maybe the rarest geniuses can (and appear as monsters to normal people, as perhaps truly reasonable men are, for their reward)--it's a terrible responsibility. You have to think through everything, or appeal to a better guide than reason, but in any case you can't just go along with the crowd. Or you can, but then you know eventually you might be back to where you were, not trusting your new crowd.

Blogger JP March 16, 2017 12:13 AM  

I somewhat disagree with that. Post-Civil War, the US has rarely gotten on the losing side of a conflict, simply by joining the side after the battle was fought.
1898: Invent Cassie belli, pick a dead empire and loot it.
1916: ship weapons to your allies while pretending to be neutral, get pissy when you're attacked, then send in the army after your allies did all the fighting.
1941: see 1916.

Seems to me there's a lot more cunning involved than not. Sure, since then there's been the Vietnam and Iraq fiascos, as well as foreign policy flubs like the fall of China and the Soviets getting the bomb, but those were entirely a result of certain (((subversives))) getting the reigns of power. The difference is, the manipulation used to be to create the American empire, but now they do it to create a new empire (globalism) at the expense of the old one.

Blogger JP March 16, 2017 12:27 AM  

If this was the case, why would he have so many Jewish people in his family? A CivNat would have no problem with that, but a true nationalist sure would.

Anonymous Mr. Rational March 16, 2017 1:26 AM  

tublecane wrote:Each step was similar, in that I was giddy with newness, then afraid.
My reaction's a little different from yours.  "Damn, we have SO much fucking work to do!"  I have the beginnings of a response to it, but no time to develop it.  Too much else on my plate.

Then I go about cobbling together a new ideology
Ideologies are fossilized and obsoleted by the first contrary development or discovery (see Objectivism).  Flensing the untruths is consistent with flexibility, nimbleness and anti-fragility.

I can't think myself out of the Enlightenment, for instance.
The Enlightenment is a large part of the water I swim in, but I've rejected so much else of that water I doubt I'm too constrained by any of its falsehoods either.  I know I'm not wedded to any of them.  I'm willing to reject and re-tool any time I find something that's demonstrably broken.

But if you could--and maybe the rarest geniuses can (and appear as monsters to normal people, as perhaps truly reasonable men are, for their reward)--it's a terrible responsibility.
Well, "monster" is one of the things I've been called.  But I think the most hurtful is "millenial".  (Seriously, I was born during the administration of the last general to serve as POTUS, and some idiot believes I'm a millenial?  Wait, MPAI.  That feels better.)

Anonymous Luke March 16, 2017 3:44 AM  

70. A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents March 15, 2017 5:59 PM
"Camp of the Saints is out there, I found it via www.bookfinder.com but a physical copy is more expensive than it used to be."

You can download a PDF of that book for free from the Online Library page at www.resist.com. (Warning: is a Stormfront-like site.) Also has Thomas Chittum's book Civil War Two (more useful than COTS IMO).

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Anonymous Ominous Cowherd March 17, 2017 12:14 AM  

tublecane wrote: ... I suddenly stopped trusting what I had previously taken to be a body of truth. It happened with my religion early on (Catholicism).

Don't trust catholicism, but trust Jesus. Religion doesn't matter, if Jesus knows that you love Him enough to be about the Father's work.

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