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Sunday, April 30, 2017

Antifa and the unamenable authority

Antifa is upset about the fact that the Alt-Right is both a) law-abiding and b) working closely with the police to disrupt their criminal and terrorist activities.
Recently, Denver’s antifascists kicked off what will hopefully be an aggressive campaign against alt-right infiltration of their community. During a demonstration against Turning Point USA and their guest speaker, Ivan Throne, five antifascists were arrested, at least three of whom spent the night in jail. Independent media group Unicorn Riot was there to capture the unfolding events.

As part of their coverage and analysis, UR mentioned a convoluted tangle of associations between the police and the conference attendees, which vaguely hints at underlying conflicts of interest for law enforcement officials who defend pro-Trump individuals and organizations.

The Denver Police Department appears to, at the very least, have a vested interest in pushing the agenda of the Trump administration, and therefore its supporters. But this is no dimly-lit conspiracy orchestrated behind closed doors; this is the expected, natural course of events during times of proletarian insurgency and fascist uprising, demonstrated throughout the 20th century. To understand this dynamic, the following essay will vivisect what will be referred to hereafter as “essential collusion,” a repressive form of symbiosis between the state, a far-right entity, and the public supporters of both.
It might seem a bit ironic that the state-worshippers of the Left are attempting to complain about the state actually fulfilling its primary role of maintaining public order, but then, if they were intellectually coherent, they wouldn't be antifa. And nothing upsets leftists and SJWs like the knowledge that the authorities aren't running cover for them.

They're particularly concerned about Ivan Throne and Violent Solutions, because they know that they can't operate effectively if they are systematically unmasked and identified.
Most recently, Ivan has unveiled a project entitled “Violent Solutions,” which at first analysis appears to merely be a database through which antifascists will be identified and reported to the FBI. Although mostly empty bluster (like everything Ivan does), this eventuality presents a unique threat to Antifa in Trump’s America: this is a concrete example of essential collusion between the state and the far-right. Communication between America’s police, military, and intelligence community is at an all-time high, with various state organs sharing information even with completely unrelated sister forces. Arrests are made public, with the suspect’s full name handed out to multiple agencies and, most importantly, to the alt-right, whose main weapon continues to be the threat of doxxing. 
It's cute that they think "the threat of doxxing" is our main weapon. Sure, doxxing is probably sufficient to get Mommy and Daddy to cut them off, or for their university to terminate their part-time teaching contract, but that's mostly projection on their part. It's also amusing that they can't resist their urge to minimize and discredit even while trying to paint the subject as a dire and pressing threat.

No doubt the police will be interested to know that antifa has concluded that, like Black Lives Matter, they have no option but to wage war against the police.
There is no plausible route forward that does not include, not just resisting, but actively opposing the efforts of the police. Not only are they vocally supported by the regime, but the very authority with which they simultaneously abet the alt-right while restraining social movements is granted by the state itself. Their monopoly on violence, their access to military equipment, their communication with intelligence agencies, and their carte blanche regarding brutality are symptomatic of their ultimate function: maintaining the status quo.

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175 Comments:

Blogger Robert What? April 30, 2017 11:59 AM  

None more surprised than me. I just assumed that the police would always look away, if not actively intervene on behalf of the state sponsored Antifa. I guess it also depends on the location. I'm sure in, say, Chicago or Baltimore, the police would let Antifa run wild.

Blogger tuberman April 30, 2017 12:07 PM  

The antifa is so retarded they will probably start going after Berkeley and San Jose police.

Blogger Dr Caveman April 30, 2017 12:08 PM  

Forcing antifa to remove their masks seems to take all the wind from their sails, as seen in Auburn and Berkeley.

No anonimity, no courage.

Deep down they know how vile their ideas and tactics are, and the threat of losing their anonimity freaks them out, especially the crowdsourced /pol/ project to identify them

Anonymous MendoScot April 30, 2017 12:09 PM  

The police's attitude to Antifa can be seen when they are given "gloves off". Their reticence to engage comes down the line from on top, not from the beat.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable April 30, 2017 12:18 PM  

There is no plausible route forward that does not include, not just resisting, but actively opposing the efforts of the police.

Excellent! This should go well for them ... wage war on the guys with the heavy artillery.

Anonymous Just another commenter April 30, 2017 12:19 PM  

Hmmm.... Publicly announcing that you are going to actively oppose the police while conspiring to commit violent crimes and interfering with the rights of others. That should end well.

Blogger haus frau April 30, 2017 12:21 PM  

Antifa know they are not popular with the common people. They do not have broad public support and can only intimidate from anonymity because the public is disgusted with their antics. Even in a city like Portland, Oregon. Here they are antagonizing the normies and the normies are predictably cheering the riot police as they take out the trash.
Now that they have intimidated the Rose Parade organizers into canceling the parade I expect the citizens of Portland will give even more support to the police cracking down on them even as the commies in city leadership try to cater to antifa.
https://youtu.be/f0f3SnOiqcs

Blogger dc.sunsets April 30, 2017 12:22 PM  

These people are morons.

It never occurs to them that the cops are the sole barrier that exists between their little black-masked masquerade ball and a fed-up populace whose preference for order would immediately animate widespread use of all those AR15's being sighted in at ranges across the continent.

We require order. If the agents of the state don't provide it as we demand, we would simply DIY. And our DIY would (will) occur without restraint.

Bernhard Goetz writ large.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 30, 2017 12:27 PM  

Antifa is PR, nothing more. Should they actually behave more like the Weather Underground, the public will go all in on stringing them up. The Leftist pols in Berkeley, Chicago, Baltimore, et.al. know this.

Antifa becomes more that a side-show PR stunt? Normies will crucify the left in politics everywhere.

Blogger Lance E April 30, 2017 12:29 PM  

Trouble is, Antifa are mostly a bunch of soft white middle-class millennials. I don't think they can effectively wage war on the police, because they don't have a believable (to normies) Oppression narrative to wield. Even BLM has toned it down, knowing that they don't have a sympathetic Executive.

Black blocs may provide anonymity for individuals, but they're also highly-visible from altitude. That may become an important fact, should they choose to take their fight directly to Johnny Law.

Blogger Lovekraft April 30, 2017 12:29 PM  

What does Wikipedia say about these rascals?

There's a litmus test if I ever say one.

Blogger Lovekraft April 30, 2017 12:34 PM  

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Blogger Lovekraft April 30, 2017 12:36 PM  

This youtube channel should be required viewing for moderates, alt-liters who haven't yet acquired the situational awareness of modern urban living:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsE_m2z1NrvF2ImeNWh84mw

Blogger Out of Nod April 30, 2017 12:37 PM  

"The wicked flee when no one pursues, but the righteous are as bold as a lion." - Prov. 28:1

I don't think Antifa realizes that the police are protecting them by being there. They should have realized that after Berkeley. But when you refuse to learn from your failures, this is to be expected.

Anonymous arw April 30, 2017 12:37 PM  

I'm sure the police are just trembling as they think about the awesome power a 120 lb latte-sipping asthmatic can bring to bear.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams April 30, 2017 12:37 PM  

Recently Denver has been adding 10k people per month. This includes rapefugees, Californians, and others moving to a boom town (tech).

In other words the natives have watched their city change. Assuming there are many natives on the police force, they have a special interest in maintaining what they see as local order. Antifa is most definitely not compatible with local order!

Anonymous Cadwallander J April 30, 2017 12:39 PM  

Identifying antifa in a database, eh? It would be a public service to port that to infogalactic. You know, for everyone's safety.

Blogger Salt April 30, 2017 12:41 PM  

Comedic level rises a notch. Achievement unlocked.

Blogger dienw April 30, 2017 12:42 PM  

The police do not exist in a vacuum as the writer indicates; they are at the service of both the local and national elites. The difference in actions by the police in Berkeley and Denver illustrate a split among the elites.

In Berkeley, there was video evidence of police using flash bang grenades not the M80s; though, antifas may have been throwing the latter; and the Mayor of Berkeley, an Hispanic, is a member of BAMN. Who are his local and national elite controllers?

Is this evidence or signs of a heating up civil war between the elites that is moving to the streets? Perhaps we should begin to identify who is who and who are their respective agents before being pulled into street wars.

Discover the networks.org
BAMN
Who funds?

Blogger Feather Blade April 30, 2017 12:43 PM  

Wow. That's some world-class DARVO they're doing there.

How do you answer someone that determined to paint itself as a victim fighting the power?

Blogger dienw April 30, 2017 12:43 PM  

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Anonymous User April 30, 2017 12:52 PM  

"It's also amusing that they can't resist their urge to minimize and discredit even while trying to paint the subject as a dire and pressing threat."

This stuck out like a sore thumb to me too. I bet even some of IGD's readers even won't be able to miss it.

Anonymous Fran April 30, 2017 12:52 PM  

Wasn't it the police they eventually retreated to and behind in the last clash with Patriots at Berkeley?

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales April 30, 2017 12:54 PM  

"And nothing upsets leftists and SJWs like the knowledge that the authorities aren't running cover for them."

Odds of that alone red pilling any of them? Or at least on the ensuing body count if they think fighting with the cops is gonna get them anything?

On another note:


Question to Vox: Is it okay if I posted the first draft of a response to one of our ideological enemies here for feedback since it seems right up your alley with your work on The Irrational Atheist, or is it not okay given the off-topic nature in relation to your article. If the answer is no, then I'll just be quiet then.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales April 30, 2017 12:55 PM  

"Wasn't it the police they eventually retreated to and behind in the last clash with Patriots at Berkeley?"

Yes. My Irony-DAR is only high alert too.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 30, 2017 12:56 PM  

Leftists are mainly worried about us calling their bluff on the taboos which so intimidate normies and conservatives, the leftists have a clue about the moral level of war even if they cannot articulate it.

But as per usual the conservatives simply cannot make it to that level, being as they are stuck in the physical (muh guns, muh aircraft carriers) or the intellectual (muh logic, reason and essays) levels of war.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 30, 2017 12:56 PM  

@21 Feather Blade

How do you answer someone that determined to paint itself as a victim fighting the power?
---

The same way that guy answered Moldylocks

Blogger Were-Puppy April 30, 2017 12:58 PM  

Antifa is at a crossroads. They can
a) escalate
b) go away - which is what will happen to them if they stay the same, or de-escalate.

Blogger lowercaseb April 30, 2017 12:59 PM  

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Anonymous A.B. Prosper April 30, 2017 1:00 PM  

Unlike the Spanish Inquisition which sent letters months ahead
NOBODY expects the .Alt Right !

You know the rest ...

Blogger lowercaseb April 30, 2017 1:02 PM  

There is no plausible route forward that does not include, not just resisting, but actively opposing the efforts of the police.

In any other jurisdiction outside of Berkeley it's like it's Christmas. The various PDs will be given free reign to open up on Antifa because they don't have the unique political armor that BLM has.

I hate to say it because these folks have been a blight in my area long before the Milo riots, but their attacks on innocents have motivated old complainers like me into actually getting off our ass and doing something about it and now they are allowing the police to break out that old and dusty box of rubber bullets that has been sitting in the armory since 1968.

Hats off to you, you proud Anti-Fascists! Your olympic level marksmanship at shooting yourself in the foot is really Making America Great Again.

Anonymous FP April 30, 2017 1:03 PM  

Lovekraft wrote:What does Wikipedia say about these rascals?

There's a litmus test if I ever say one.


Antifa dindu nuffin! They is good non gender conforming otherkin. Gettin theys life together. Goin to Bill Nye's ice cream socials.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 30, 2017 1:04 PM  

If the Left lost the use of its words (isms, ists and phobias) and their power to instill taboo upon society we would wrap their little shit show up within a year.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 30, 2017 1:06 PM  

I wonder if this ramping up from antifa is mainly a sideshow distraction as people were beginning to break free of the left/right box.

It brings your mind back to left vs right, instead of the globalist vs nationalist.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales April 30, 2017 1:09 PM  

@28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk9NY9zkki0

Anonymous Interested Observer April 30, 2017 1:09 PM  

Wup wup wup wup wup wup.

Blogger lowercaseb April 30, 2017 1:10 PM  

Fran wrote:Wasn't it the police they eventually retreated to and behind in the last clash with Patriots at Berkeley?


They did, but they were NOT pleased about having to stand down. They almost didn't want to look in your eyes.

Ultimately it was a good thing they didn't step in...We can't keep brawling in the streets with them like a street gang, but giving them that bloody nose on the 15th put the fear of the Lord in both them and the city governments that protect them.

Anonymous Eduardo the Magnificent April 30, 2017 1:11 PM  

Look at the language used: "proletarian insurgency", "fascist uprising", "far-right entity", "regime". Their thinking is at least 70 years behind. If Marx wasn't thinking for them, they couldn't think at all.

Anonymous kfg April 30, 2017 1:13 PM  

. . . essential collusion between the state and the [People]. . . Arrests are made public . . ."

Yeah, well, ya know, open societies of democratic republics are just icky like that.

If you prefer your government to be at war with The People, with secret death vans scooping them up, I'm sure there are plenty of places you could go.

Blogger lowercaseb April 30, 2017 1:13 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:It brings your mind back to left vs right, instead of the globalist vs nationalist.

Really good point! That's what myself and my friends are sliding rright back into.

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni April 30, 2017 1:14 PM  

Hmm. Reminds me of the fight by the Carbonari against the Austrians and the Pope in 1830s Italy. Louis-Napoleon, later to be Emperor Napoleon III of France, lost a brother in the doomed struggle.
This taught him the futility of armed struggle against national governments by disorganised radicals.
He spent the next twenty years looking for an opportunity to gain power. In the chaos of 1848 he was elected President of France and built an organisation that made him Emperor by 1852.
I'm sure Marine le Pen knows the story.

Anonymous DonReynolds April 30, 2017 1:16 PM  

This is a "free country" and anyone has the right to form whatever club or group or association they care to.....yes, even the bad guys.

But what every right-winger has learned the hard way is that the government will readily provide some of the most aggressive members to act as spies, provocateurs, agitators, and sources of illegal "materials", which will be recovered as soon as they make the planned arrests. The US government....and state and big city governments lately....have become adept at "recruiting", training, and managing sufficient counter-intel agents, doubles, triples. When that does not work, they can dig up enough incriminating dirt on any members to get them decades in prison...or they can agree to play ball with the police/intel.

The Leftists have not learned how to play that game it seems. Besides, enabling agents who have infiltrated the right-wing organizations to do double duty against the left-wing, just makes all kinds of sense and it keeps the right-wing sufficient distracted to keep them from initiating their own trouble.

Some people are going to get a big bonus this summer.

Blogger joe winner April 30, 2017 1:16 PM  

'I'm sure the police are just trembling as they think about the awesome power a 120 lb latte-sipping asthmatic can bring to bear.' The humourous truth!

Blogger Cail Corishev April 30, 2017 1:17 PM  

Amazingly enough, it appears that some leftists thought the police and military would be reliably on their side. I read fantasies from leftists about how they looked forward to swooping in after the cops/soldiers beat up right-wingers, and kick them while they're down and take their guns (because they don't own any of their own, of course). I'm not sure how they expected this to happen. Maybe they thought the Alt-Right would be so violent and out of control that the National Guard would be called out in response? Oh, right, Kent State, projection. That is what they thought.

Well, when even the Berkeley PD, under pressure from the likes of the ACLU, realizes it has to make at least a nominal effort to appear to enforce the law, it's clear that fantasy isn't going to come true.

I still assume the police in many cases will be far more interested in arresting Alt-Right fighters than Antifa, if they get the chance. Their bosses would love to have some headlines like "Right-Wing Riots Lead to Arrests of 40 Alt-Right, 3 Opposition Protesters" to replace the "Alt-Right Protests Go Peacefully" ones they've been stuck running lately. We still have to expect to be held to a higher standard than the Left.

Blogger John Williams April 30, 2017 1:19 PM  

Even BLM has toned it down, knowing that they don't have a sympathetic Executive.
BLM was a bunch of useful idiots during the campaign season. Once the election was over The powers that motivated them abandon them. Then the movement coasted along in it's on momentum them died without any prompting from above.

What does Wikipedia say about these rascals?
@Lovekraft, The best test is to compare Wikipedia to InfoGalactic. Doing so will identify any bits of the narrrive that one has adopted without being aware.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 30, 2017 1:24 PM  

The various PDs will be given free reign to open up on Antifa because they don't have the unique political armor that BLM has.

Yep. The cops out here in rural America are Iraq War vets who don't like anyone else except other cops. They'd love to take a break from hassling normal people over speeding tickets to put the fear into some obnoxious college kids down at the jail. Unfortunately, I'm not sure we have any Antifa here.

Blogger John Williams April 30, 2017 1:25 PM  

Wup wup wup wup wup wup.
I love the sound of Wagner in the morning, it sounds like victory.

Blogger Lovekraft April 30, 2017 1:25 PM  

Random reddit browsing turned up this gem, a sub for natives

https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianCountry/

The slogan was "Many Nations, One Community"

Hmm.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales April 30, 2017 1:34 PM  

@48

THAT's supposed to be Ride of the Valkyries? A bunch of 'wups' that could have been anything?

Anonymous Constitutional conservative April 30, 2017 1:36 PM  

As an Oathkeeper, I am proud to punch Nazis even more than leftist kids. White nationalists and racists beware. We will kick your ass!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 30, 2017 1:37 PM  

What's antifa's purpose but a racial gestapo or a set of death camp capos.

At least the fags and dykes can discipline colored for transgressions against their bit of leftwing cult but the bitch tit fairies of antifa are down to chasing down whites for wrong think, pathetic.

Blogger John Williams April 30, 2017 1:38 PM  

Looks like Antifa has no concept of consequences:
by now intensified by the successes of the Haitian Revolution
226 years of abject poverty & misery and they consider it a success.

Anonymous gxg April 30, 2017 1:38 PM  

Funny, I thought the "wup wup wup..." was a helicopter taking off with a full cargo of commies. Oh well, one can dream.

Blogger John Williams April 30, 2017 1:44 PM  

A bunch of 'wups' that could have been anything?
Not anything. Some things have context.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 30, 2017 1:48 PM  

Amazingly enough, it appears that some leftists thought the police and military would be reliably on their side.

Scratch an antifa, find someone who goes to or works at a university. They live in the cocoon of a fully converged environment where the authorities are completely on their side. To the point where any authority who makes the slightest transgression is quickly removed.

Blogger John Williams April 30, 2017 1:49 PM  

Moar context.

Blogger Nate April 30, 2017 1:50 PM  

we at MOTW call it the Auburn Solution.

Auburn Police were the first to demask and de-hoodie Antifa... and what we saw there was without their uniform Antifa was completely different. They lost all their will to fight.

Departments in Pikeville and other places are now employing the Auburn Solution and it has been effective everywhere its been tried.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown April 30, 2017 1:50 PM  

These people are fucking retards. Black Bloc tactics rely entirely on the professionalism and restraint of law enforcement officials. For example, look at the "sleeping dragon".
http://earthfirstjournal.org/newswire/2014/01/31/florida-sheriffs-train-in-defeating-sleeping-dragon-lockboxes-using-jackhammers-chainsaws/

If they kill a few cops or make life particularly difficult for law enforcement, then I really can't see sleeping dragons, tripods or any other improvised barricade devices ending well for them. Trusting someone who hates you to extricate you from concrete with a chainsaw..... fuck it. I lack the words to articulate how stupid this is. Antifa deserves whatever happens to them.

Blogger Lovekraft April 30, 2017 1:54 PM  

@Nate: neutralizing DARVO tactics is essential and now that one of their main tactics is exposed, we have to plan for their next counter-move.

Blogger Skyler the Weird April 30, 2017 1:54 PM  

Wupwupwup and Wagner context

https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=GKaYOW9zMoY

Blogger John Williams April 30, 2017 1:55 PM  

TASER would defeat a sleeping dragon, as would a simple contest of strength.

Blogger Cyril April 30, 2017 1:56 PM  

Helicopter scene from Apocalypse Now

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales April 30, 2017 1:56 PM  

@55

"Not anything. Some things have context."

Yeah... and some onomatopoeias sound NOTHING like the sounds they're supposed to be emulating... case in point: exhibit a.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales April 30, 2017 1:58 PM  

Also, yes everyone: I understand he's referencing the Ride of the Valkyries scene from Apocalypse Now. I just don't understand how he thought 'wups' was an adequate onomatopoeia for the helicopter blades spinning around.

Anonymous Interested Observer April 30, 2017 1:59 PM  

Emmanuel Mateo-Morales wrote:Also, yes everyone: I understand he's referencing the Ride of the Valkyries scene from Apocalypse Now. I just don't understand how he thought 'wups' was an adequate onomatopoeia for the helicopter blades spinning around.

Mis-gendering? Really? ;-)

I'm a cartoon lover. Sue me.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt April 30, 2017 2:02 PM  

Why bother laboriously cutting through a "sleeping dragon" chain? Especially if the participants really can just let go any time they want? I would send in some forklifts, raise the damn thing off the ground and drag it away. Most of the dummies would probably fall off once they lost contact with the ground anyway.

Blogger Skyler the Weird April 30, 2017 2:04 PM  

The sound was Wop Wop Wop before it was Wup Wup Wup but Italians were offended and it changed.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 30, 2017 2:08 PM  

The Auburn Solution only works in sane society. Berkeley rank and file cops may have upheld order last week, but that is only because Federal directives allowed it. The Converged Institutions of Berkeley can't cotton to the Auburn Solution, so the best they can now hope for is Federal Martial Law.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 30, 2017 2:11 PM  

BLM was a bunch of useful idiots during the campaign season. Once the election was over The powers that motivated them abandon them. Then the movement coasted along in it's on momentum them died without any prompting from above.

They took down SEC powerhouse Mizzou, so at least they'll always be remembered for that gift to America.

Anonymous Walter April 30, 2017 2:13 PM  

I hope violent disruptors are all unmasked!

Blogger praetorian April 30, 2017 2:25 PM  

Sure, doxxing is probably sufficient to get Mommy and Daddy to cut them off,

Try as he might, vox just can't completely hide that goyish optimist beneath the evil mask...

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales April 30, 2017 2:27 PM  

@66

With a name like yours, would you be more 'interested' or more 'observer' in a question I have of you?

Blogger praetorian April 30, 2017 2:27 PM  

More usefully, this seems like a prime candidate for an Agree & Amplify campaign.

The police are your enemy, antifa, and are active, willing collaborators with the Alt-Right. You know what to do.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 30, 2017 2:35 PM  

That article...well blog post really...is hilarious stuff.

It turns out that the police in Denver belong to a shadowy and mysterious organization called the Fraternal Order of Police. This secretive organization is known to have taken a hostile stance against the peace loving, diverse and intersectional Black Lives Matter movement.

What kind of spoiled idiot writes a line like, "if you consider yourself a radical, an anarchist, or a community organizer, any cooperation with the police is counterproductive, compromising, and potentially deadly."

The ghost of Stokely Carmichael must be blinking in astonishment at his idiot children.

Anonymous tublecane April 30, 2017 2:36 PM  

"symptomatic of their ultimate function: maintaining the status quo"

I realize these commies want to make our country even more communistic, but can they possibly be not be aware of how greatly the status quo favors them? Do they really still pretend they're the intrepid rebels fighting against the oppressive empire of...what? Robber Barons and Dick Nixon? Gimme a break. The alt-right would require a real revolution to ascend to power. Yes, despite the election of mostly liberal-centrist (not where it counts, hopefully) Donald Trump.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales April 30, 2017 2:43 PM  

"mostly liberal-centrist..."

Gun rights are making a come back. Enforcement of immigration law is up (and soon, barring some major shenanigans from our enemies, the wall). Companies are coming back here.

But because he's soft on faggots and maybe abortion, he's a 'mostly liberal' centrist.

Gimme a break.

Anonymous kfg April 30, 2017 2:48 PM  

"I just don't understand how he thought 'wups' was an adequate onomatopoeia for the helicopter blades spinning around."

Reference that everyone but you did.

Blogger Ken Prescott April 30, 2017 2:49 PM  

@59 Gunnar von Cowtown wrote:These people are fucking retards. Black Bloc tactics rely entirely on the professionalism and restraint of law enforcement officials. For example, look at the "sleeping dragon".

If they kill a few cops or make life particularly difficult for law enforcement, then I really can't see sleeping dragons, tripods or any other improvised barricade devices ending well for them. Trusting someone who hates you to extricate you from concrete with a chainsaw..... fuck it. I lack the words to articulate how stupid this is. Antifa deserves whatever happens to them.



Wrap det cord around the protestor's shoulder joints. Opens the barricade in a jiffy and simultaneously . . .

(Puts on sunglasses)

. . . disarms them.

YEEEAAAAHHHH!

Anonymous kfg April 30, 2017 2:53 PM  

" . . . he's a 'mostly liberal' centrist. Gimme a break."

It is only those on the extreme left who view Thomas Jefferson as an ultra-right fascist. Gun rights are inherently a liberal policy. It is only in the context of traditionally liberal America that they are a conservative issue; i.e. conserving our liberal values.

Anonymous johnc April 30, 2017 2:55 PM  

A large portion of antifa are actually anarchists and so they have no love for the police. If you browse antifa social media and blogs you will quite often find that they have a great antipathy for the cops (which they call "pigs"). A common phrase you will read is: "The only good cop is a dead cop."

What I found interesting about the article is that it is reasonably well-written. There are clearly some intellectuals and knowledgeable people in these groups, despite the fact that they're wrong on some pretty basic stuff.

Anonymous kfg April 30, 2017 2:58 PM  

"A large portion of antifa are actually authoritarian retards who fancy themselves anarchists."

FIFY.

And as per above, the only thing they might hate more than alt-right "fascists" is liberals.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales April 30, 2017 3:01 PM  

"It is only those on the extreme left who view Thomas Jefferson as an ultra-right fascist."

Implying I'm somehow on the extreme left because I hotly contest Mr. President is liberal-centrist?

Anonymous tublecane April 30, 2017 3:03 PM  

@35-I'm at a loss as to how nationalism versus globalism is out of the left/right box. Antifa in its head is refighting commie-nazi brawls, and though they are mistaken, the pattern fits well. Commies were internationalists and Nazis were nationalists.

What I'm guessing's in your head is that there's a political realignment underway, where groups once thought of as rightists are becoming or being thought of as on the other side, and vice versa. Commies are supposed to be for the workers, for instance, and against Big Business, whereas very clearly antifa and Big Business are on the same side against the native working class. How can that be? My opinion is that we were wrong all along on the popular understanding of Big Business and communism both, but I won't insist on that. Let's just say they switched sides.

In either case, we're not going beyond right and left. We're either reshuffling who's on what side, or revealing who was on what side all along. I don't think the right-left divide applies to everything. It is a grossly abused concept, and one which has been perverted countless time. But it is useful, and I think perhaps particularly useful as regards globalism versus nationalism (as well as sub-nationalism, which is where I'm at).

The definition of right and left provided by the book On Power by Bertrand de Jouvenel is dead-on, in my opinion. He has the divide as the difference in preference for more or less centralized government. They're relative terms, you see, like tall and short. The less centralized government you prefer, the more rightist you are; the more centralized, the more leftist.

Globalists quite obviously are relative leftists, because the true-blue ones want One World Government. You actually can't be more centralized than that, unless and until we start colonizing the universe.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales April 30, 2017 3:04 PM  

@78

No, I did get the Apocalypse Now/Rise of the Valkyrie reference... after some thinking, because again, Wups is not a decent word intended to stand in for a sound, make.

It's like cock-a-doodle-doo for roosters crowing. It just doesn't follow.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 30, 2017 3:12 PM  

neutralizing DARVO tactics is essential and now that one of their main tactics is exposed, we have to plan for their next counter-move.

Maybe they're smarter than I, but I'm having trouble thinking of a counter-move that will replace all their members with people who can function without anonymity.

Blogger SteelPalm April 30, 2017 3:12 PM  

Yeah, the "Ivan is just full of empty bluster; total clown who doesn't pose any threat" followed in the same sentence with "Ivan poses a really scary, terrifying threat" was both jarring and hilarious for anyone sane reading this claptrap.

"Vivisection" indeed.

Anonymous Silly but True April 30, 2017 3:17 PM  

"...Although mostly empty bluster (like everything Ivan does)..."

Clearly they're so unconcerned.

You can tell how unconcerned they are and how much empty bluster this is by the amount of time they devote to being unconcerned about it.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 30, 2017 3:18 PM  

I'm at a loss as to how nationalism versus globalism is out of the left/right box.

It's not. Globalism is of the left, nationalism typically is of the right -- well to the right of globalism, at least. That's a lot closer to the original left/right divide than the American political one where "left" and "right" parties were both of the globalist left but quibbled over the extent of certain things.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 30, 2017 3:24 PM  

@10 "Antifa is PR"

Antifa is street theater; they are solipsists, writing fantasy plays in their heads for themselves to star in. In those plays everyone else is just a stock villain or a stage prop; the only real human beings are themselves.

In fact, though, they are subhuman, mere moral cockroaches, life-unworthy-of-life.

Anonymous tublecane April 30, 2017 3:29 PM  

@77-I said he's mostly liberal-centrist except where it counts. (And added "hopefully," because who knows.) Where it counts is the Big Three issues of immigration, trade, and war (who knows about the last one, as things stand), plus his general disdain for PC. Aside from that, he's basically a Clinton-era Democrat.

Which is enough to make you a Nazi in the make-believe world of contemporary leftists, admittedly.

Blogger Misha Burnett April 30, 2017 3:36 PM  

Looked up "sleeping dragon". I would love to come up to those folks with a concrete saw and see how fast they figure out how to get out of it.

Anonymous Colorado Confederate April 30, 2017 3:36 PM  

In 1970, a bunch of antifa-like "war protesters" gathered in NYC. They were met by several hundred working men in hard hats.

Hilarity ensued...

According to reports, the police stood by and "did nothing".

https://infogalactic.com/info/Hard_Hat_Riot

Blogger Tom Kratman April 30, 2017 3:41 PM  

And do but note the odds there, CC, do but note the odds.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( don't trifle with me, son. i'm a professional, certified 4th degree black belt in the ancient Hebrew martial art of Kibitz Maga ) April 30, 2017 3:44 PM  

sleeping dragon?

SLEEPING DRAGON?

as if it's dangerous to wake the up?

oy vey.

i've seen pictures. they damn sure didn't choose that terminology because they "look like a dragon's tail".

Blogger haus frau April 30, 2017 3:57 PM  

@47 cailcoreshev
Do you remember Sarah Silverman publicly pining for a military coup to displace Trump?
Something along the lines of "once the military is with us we'll be unstoppable!"
I doubt these people personally know any people with military experience. The bubble they live in must be made of lead.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 30, 2017 4:01 PM  

tublecane wrote:I'm at a loss as to how nationalism versus globalism is out of the left/right box.
Stalin was a nationalist.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( don't trifle with me, son. i'm a professional, certified 4th degree black belt in the ancient Hebrew martial art of Kibitz Maga ) April 30, 2017 4:05 PM  

94. Tom Kratman April 30, 2017 3:41 PM
And do but note the odds there, CC, do but note the odds.



i love the way Wiki ( and the news ) choose to portray the parties
"Some of the construction workers and counter-protesters moved across City Hall Park toward New York City Hall.":

construction workers
v
"counter protesters"

wait a cotton pickin minute ... there was NO confrontation without the anti-war crowd being there first.

the anti-war Hippies were the PROTESTERS.

the Hard Hats were COUNTER PROTESTING against the Hippies.

agree or disagree with the tactics employed by the union members / construction trades ( Hippies are lucky they didn't get bombed, unions have been doing that since the early 1900s ), the whole situation was INSTIGATED by anti-war Hippies.


notice also, that the original problem was the Cuckservative ( more like Lincoln-esque Progressive, amiright? ) 'Republican' mayor of NYC had made a unilateral decision to fly the US flag at half mast in a show of 'solidarity' with the Kent State protesters.

Cuckservatives have always been with us.

Cuckservatives have always been useless.

Anonymous Mr. Rational April 30, 2017 4:18 PM  

@5   Is there any chance that Violent Solutions could extend its purview to common street criminals?  The market niche once filled by the "Sketch Factor" app is empty again, and being able to nab crooks for smaller crimes or use facial recognition to run them out of business districts and decent neighborhoods could keep them from graduating so readily to rape, armed robbery and murder.

@9  Exactly.  My Little Black Rifle is one range session from ready to rock.

@96  I think they're headed for neutronium levels of density.

Anonymous kfg April 30, 2017 4:22 PM  

@83: "Implying I'm somehow on the extreme left because I hotly contest Mr. President is liberal-centrist?"

Implying that in these leftist times your perspective has been shifted far enough to the left that your perspective of the political spectrum has become skewed. You have lost track of what is what.

The entire Bill of Rights is liberal. Those who support them support liberalism.

Within the American political sphere, as those liberal ideas are foundational, liberalism is conservative - and Trump is rather to the authoritarian left of them.

Anonymous Interested Observer April 30, 2017 4:29 PM  

Emmanuel Mateo-Morales wrote:@66

With a name like yours, would you be more 'interested' or more 'observer' in a question I have of you?


Let's find out.

Anonymous tublecane April 30, 2017 4:35 PM  

@97-I figured someone would bring that up. Of course, Stalin was to the right of Trotsky and other firm internationalists. But he was to the left of most of humanity. Firstly, in that he radically centralized within his own country. Secondly, in that he purposefully tried to expand the revolution in true Marxist-Leninist fashion whenever feasible, for instance after WWII.

What regular sort of nationalist would have been as interested in the internal politics of the U.S. in the 1930s, for instance? What was he doing there with a his front organizations? Promoting Russia First?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 30, 2017 4:36 PM  

Wow, Lefties shackle themselves together for the convenience of police. How considerate!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 30, 2017 4:41 PM  

It's like you're looking at an elevator and saying, "I don't understand how up vs down got taken out of the Left vs Right box."
One can be a nationalist socialist, one can be a nationalist monarchist and anything in between. likewise with Globalism. Merely knowing that a person is a Nationalist tells you absolutely nothing about if they're Left or Right.
"Only conservatives own cars and so they're the ones who go down to the parking garage, so down is obviously Rightist...."

Blogger exfarmkid April 30, 2017 4:48 PM  

What is "MOTW"?

Anonymous kfg April 30, 2017 4:54 PM  

"Only conservatives own cars . . ."

Perhaps, but I'm more conservative than that, so people tend to assume I'm a Watermelon.

Stand on a conservative platform long enough and people will start calling you a radical. Stand on a radical platform long enough and people will start calling you a conservative.

This is why conservatism fails, and why The Revolution(tm) must be eternal and eat its young.

Anonymous tublecane April 30, 2017 4:59 PM  

"Merely knowing that a person is a Nationalist tells you absolutely nothing about if they're Left or Right"

Wrong, because at least it tells us they're to the right of globalists. Stalin and Hitler both were to the left of me, but they are without a doubt to the right of out-and-out internationalists.

The "left/right box" compels us to think relativistically, which can be tricky. And there are many more aspects to politics than the national question, which is trickier still. But you're mischaracterizing the argument. Because we were talking about left/right versus globalism/nationalism, not the left and right of various kinds of nationalism. I would totally understand, if not be on board with (because I'm not a nationalist) you or anyone else saying we must get out of the left/right box in the interest of nationalism. But that's beside the point.

You can certainly be a left- or right-wing nationalist. You cannot be a globalist to the right of a nationalist. That doesn't work, at least if you go by the more versus less centralisation model, as I do.

Anonymous Man of the Atom April 30, 2017 5:11 PM  

exfarmkid wrote:What is "MOTW"?

Men of the West

Anonymous Avalanche April 30, 2017 5:15 PM  

@3 "Deep down they know how vile their ideas and tactics are,"

No, you're still looking at them through K-selected eyes! They really and truly, 100% and deeply, BELIEVE in their ideas and tactics! Realize, you're trying to apply the rationalizing of a NON-insane mind to a crazy mind. It won't work! (Having dealt with actually crazy people, I know for a fact that you CANNOT "make sense" out of what they say and do. They are. not. sane. If you cannot start there, then you cannot deal with them.)

You cannot deal with them effectively if you still think there is any chance of reaching some sort of intelligent, rational, reasoning, reasonable 'version' of them, somewhere deep down inside. It is not there!

You're thinking, with your reasonable brain, that SOMEWHERE in there, there must be some kernel of reason, and "if only" you can reach that, they'll come to their senses. No. That can't happen because it's not there. They're not "deluded' into thinking we're all nazi's -- they REALLY believe it, all the way down.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 30, 2017 5:16 PM  

We live in a world of 3 physical dimensions, and about 30 political ones. Left and Right, as currently used, are mere clusters in the Cartesian space.
They are not paradigms, they are not even categories. They are, more than anything, gangs. You are thinking two-dimensionally.

Anonymous Avalanche April 30, 2017 5:31 PM  

@76 "The ghost of Stokely Carmichael must be blinking in astonishment at his idiot children."

Regression to the mean. (or below.)

Blogger John S April 30, 2017 5:31 PM  

Completely off topic, hope you'll forgive the momentary digression VD:

I just learned (haven't been paying attention to such things lately) that one of my favorite libertarian blogger/writers, William Norman Grigg; died earlier in the month.

I know that more than a few of the dread ilk were fans of his and might appreciate a chance to throw a donation towards his (disabled) wife and 6 children. I did.

Here's the gofundme link:

Family Fund for Will Grigg

Anonymous Avalanche April 30, 2017 5:34 PM  

@85 "It's like cock-a-doodle-doo for roosters crowing. It just doesn't follow."

It does in AMERICA, to AMERICANS.

Anonymous kfg April 30, 2017 5:35 PM  

"Left and Right, as currently used . . ."

As the terms right and left are now more than 200 years old, and the socialists have been inverting and subverting the meanings of words on a 20 year cycle for more than 100 years now, and I have lived a majority of 100 years . . . I now longer have any idea what the current usage of them are.

But they sometimes seem to used as inversions of how they are defined (right-central authority, left-dispersed authority) and sometimes as specific political ideologies that have nothing to do with the left-right spectrum at all.

Anonymous Man of the Atom April 30, 2017 5:37 PM  

Interested Observer wrote:Emmanuel Mateo-Morales wrote:@66

With a name like yours, would you be more 'interested' or more 'observer' in a question I have of you?


Let's find out.


Apologies everyone, but my comment @101 was fat-fingered. Should have had this after the last line:

"Hey, it's 'Man of the Atom' here. The 'Interested Observer' is a handle I used elsewhere, but still in my tablet's cache. Deleted now. Apologies to everyone for sock-posting."

Anonymous DonReynolds April 30, 2017 5:39 PM  

@109 Avalanche
"You cannot deal with them effectively if you still think there is any chance of reaching some sort of intelligent, rational, reasoning, reasonable 'version' of them, somewhere deep down inside. It is not there!"

They are SOCIOPATHIC and their only "morality" is that the END result justifies whatever means are necessary. Just as a sociopath knows that stealing is wrong (and illegal), that does not mean that they cannot (or should not) steal. They will steal and they have no fear of the consequences or any penalty attached to their acts. Getting their head bashed in may only be another of their means to an end.

Anonymous Avalanche April 30, 2017 5:39 PM  

Sleeping Dragon? Why the cops don't just drag them to the side of the road and leave them there linked? That's what they do with roadkill, isn't it?

Anonymous patrick kelly April 30, 2017 5:44 PM  

exfarmkid wrote:What is "MOTW"?

Men Of The West
MenOfTheWest

Anonymous kfg April 30, 2017 5:45 PM  

"Why the cops don't just drag them to the side of the road and leave them there linked?"

Because they'd have to wash all their clothes and retire to the outside of town until evening?

Anonymous BBGKB April 30, 2017 5:46 PM  

"Deep down they know how vile their ideas and tactics are,"No, you're still looking at them through K-selected eyes! They really and truly, 100% and deeply, BELIEVE in their ideas and tactics

The founding fathers, Abe "walk a mile to give correct change from an overpayment" Lincoln, & the boy scouts are all the worst insult you could say in Israel, FREIERS
https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2015/03/04/thou-shalt-not-be-a-freier/

They hate them so much they don't realize they would be better off taking advantage of them.

Anonymous tublecane April 30, 2017 5:48 PM  

@110-They are gangs, yes. That's the best possible way to think of politics. (Though gangs are fickle, and often cobbled together for no good reason.) But by no means am I thinking two dimensionally, any more than physical scientists who use the color spectrum are under the misapprehension that reality exists in two dimensions.

This is the usual response you get from any attempt to reduce complexity. "Things are more complicated than that, man." Well, yes. And I'm generally annoyed by the overuse of the left-right distinction, which is often enough a oretend-distinction. Many of its applications are incidental or arbitrary. But not nationalism versus globalism. That goes right to the heart of it, which as I said is in the more and less centralization distinction.

I don't get your point about them not being paradigms. That's empty rhetoric. Of course they are paradigms, if you pay attention at all to the way they're used (or misused). Is it any coincidence that the false narrative playing out in antifa's head about them punching Nazis fits with the globalism versus nationalism model perfectly? They don't want to be seen as commies, who the actual Nazis were fighting, and the other side mostly isn't Nazid. But they are globalists, like the commies, and the other side is full of nationalists, like the Nazis. Coincidence?

It's not a perfect model, and can lead to paradox. What do you do with Stalin, who attempted to create a New Soviet Man, versus someone who sought to extend the relatively moderate liberal order to international bodies. You point out that Stalin was actually a conventional Marxist-Leninist (to the right of Trotsky and the left of people like Bakunin) penned in by circumstances, who would have loved to export revolution but found himself stick building up "socialism in one country instead." But that involves psychologizing and "What if?"-ing, which leaves room for lots of second guessing. I would note that the liberal New World Order of the time sided with Russia over nationalist Germany at the time, and for good reason: because they were on the same side of history, as it were. Or, as you might put it, they were in the internationalist gang together.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 30, 2017 5:56 PM  

It's okay MotA. We just assumed you were a troll.

Anonymous tublecane April 30, 2017 6:01 PM  

@114-"right-central authority, left-dispersed authority"

That's probably the worst possible definition. The distinction dates from the French Revolution, the left side of which were without a doubt centralizers. By no means did they disperse authority, except in sense that they replaced the singular king with a whole body of men.

Which I admit is significant. But in fact they usurped and extended the king's authority, leading to increased centralization. The state took over more social functions.

Blogger Chris Mallory April 30, 2017 6:01 PM  

John S wrote:William Norman Grigg; died earlier in the month.

Uncle Bob(Bob Wallace) died within the last month too.

Anonymous Eric the Red April 30, 2017 6:08 PM  

Nothing infuriates me more than the left's incessant portrayal of black as white and white as black. For their lies alone I would gladly and repeatedly ram each of their faces into the nearest stationary doorknob. Thankfully, cooler heads than mine are working carefully with the police.

Anonymous tublecane April 30, 2017 6:13 PM  

I should ad that it would be easy for me to conjure up figures to stymie the left/right, globalist/nationalist divide as I've characterized it. Stalin doesn't work, for me, because I think he's a frustrated internationalist. But let's say he really just was a socialist in one nation, and at best a tsarist imperialist above. Then we pair him with a libertarian, who is a globalist at least in the sense of being an anti-nationalist, even if he's against World Government. Let's say he imagines everyone on the world agrees to abide by one-world libertarianism spontaneously. That would be a left-right pickle, and I'd have a tough time sorting it out.

That being said, unlike that hypothetical, the left/right box applies well to the globalist/nationalist debate as is, and especially well to the antifa/alt-right fight as we know it. Because the commies are on the globalist side and the rightists are on the nationalist side, as you'd expect. So what's the problem?

Anonymous kfg April 30, 2017 6:24 PM  

"That's probably the worst possible definition."

It's a thumbnail definition that extends the spectrum on both sides, from absolute dictatorship to absolute anarchy.

"The distinction dates from the French Revolution . . ."

With the right being monarchists and the left being republicans. Taking a strictly American portion of the spectrum it would would be Left-Confederalism (i.e. state's rights), Right-Federalism.

"But in fact they usurped and extended the king's authority, leading to increased centralization. The state took over more social functions."

The Left became the Right but continued to call itself the Left. The Mensheviks called themselves the Bolsheviks. The Black Bloc call themselves anti-fascist anarchists.

That's what they do. SJWs Always Lie.

Anonymous Man of the Atom April 30, 2017 6:25 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:It's okay MotA. We just assumed you were a troll.

Ouch. Guess I'll stick to lurking. ;-)

Blogger SteelPalm April 30, 2017 6:27 PM  

@97 Snidely Whiplash

Stalin was a nationalist.

By modern standards, absolutely. There was about a dime's worth of difference between Hitler's brand of socialism and Stalin's socialism. They were originally great friends and allies, too, until Hitler betrayed Stalin before Stalin could betray Hitler.

Which of course makes it even funnier that the same subhuman antifas who call everyone a Nazi like or at least condone Stalin.

Anonymous tublecane April 30, 2017 6:28 PM  

Another reason Stalin is an atypical example is that the despite the fact that people with his radical zeal usually want to remake the whole world in addition to their own countries, Russia wasn't Stalin's own country, anyway. He was Georgian, at the head of a multi-ethnic, multi-national empire with a pretence of Russian nationalism draped over it. Stalin was definitely not a nationalist in the sense we usually use the term here, nor in the dictionary sense.

Blogger SteelPalm April 30, 2017 6:33 PM  

@130 Russia wasn't Stalin's own country, anyway. He was Georgian

And Hitler was Austrian. So what?

Blogger Cail Corishev April 30, 2017 6:37 PM  

@114-"right-central authority, left-dispersed authority"

That's probably the worst possible definition.


Yeah, that's the distortion of it through the American filter.

The Right is for tradition, hierarchy, order, and proper, legitimate authority. It might be centralized as in a monarch, but it doesn't have to be, or part of the authority can be in a central monarch while the rest is held by the nobility or aristocracy. Even when it is centralized, it's only centralized for that nation -- the right-wing in France didn't think the French king should have global authority. The order and authority are usually assumed to have been divinely ordained, or at least encouraged. The attitude is, "We do it this way because we're supposed to."

The Left want to tear all that down and replace it with some new system they think will be better. The new system varies, but a common factor is that it makes Man and the individual its purpose and creator. Having jettisoned the traditions and any heriditary authority, they've lost much of what gives a nation its identity. The attitude is, "We do it this way because we want to right now."

In theory, perhaps a leftist government could restrain its ambitions to one nation, but in practice it doesn't work that way. People who think they have a great new system that's better than all the old ones don't see why they should keep it to themselves, and they don't have the same attachment to the nation through tradition and hierarchy anyway. And while they may claim to want to distribute authority, and that may happen at first, it never takes long for them to centralize it again, larger and more powerful. Everyone should get to benefit from the Tower of Babel.

So globalism is firmly of the Left; right-wing globalism is a contradiction in terms. If it's possible to have truly left-wing nationalism, it seems unlikely. In any case, the nationalisms that are rising up today are explicitly anti-globalist, so it seems pretty likely they'll become more right-wing as they develop and get back in touch with the traditions that were abandoned in favor of liberal democracy and globalism.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 30, 2017 7:00 PM  

tublecane wrote:Because the commies are on the globalist side and the rightists are on the nationalist side, as you'd expect. So what's the problem?
Because, as i noted above, Left and Right are gangs, not philosophies. And by calling the Globalist gang something it is not, you at once, alienate people who might come to your side and encourage co-option of your own movement.
Labelling the sides with the preprinted labels you have on hand doesn't simplify things. It drags all of the unresolved conflict and irrational animosity of the previous system into the new one.
Is George Bush Left or Right? You and I would say Left, but the culture has labelled him Right. Either way, you never met a more committed globalist.

Blogger Skyler the Weird April 30, 2017 7:01 PM  

and Bonaparte was Italian.

Anonymous kfg April 30, 2017 7:03 PM  

"Yeah, that's the distortion of it through the American filter."

No, it's the generalization of the principle outside of being strictly applicable to the French politics of the time. In a stricter context I would deny that the terms have any meaning in a American, republican context (we had already done away with the monarchy. It was European immigrants who force fit them into American politics. Socialists demanding reforms from the monarchy when there wasn't one to begin with).

" . . . it's only centralized for that nation . . ."

Certainly. Nationalism was an axiom. International socialism didn't exist as yet, so associating the Left with International Socialism was a lie for the future.

Anonymous Mathias April 30, 2017 7:06 PM  

@134,

Didn't know the Island of Corsica was under Italy at the time.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 30, 2017 7:16 PM  

Because nationality is a matter of who appoints the governor at the time of your birth.

Napoleon Bonaparte means, literally. "Neapolitan of good breeding" in Italian. The surname is an obvious pseudonym, and speculation pretty heavy has run over the centuries which Italian aristocratic family could claim him.
but we all know the Somalis in Minneapolis are Real Americans, and True Blue Farmer-Labor Party Minnesotans.

Anonymous kfg April 30, 2017 7:17 PM  

@136:

I brought up the Battle of Cremona the other day. Violin maker Stradivarius is referred to as Italian, but he only died in Cremona, Italy. Most of his life he lived in either Cremona, Austria or Cremona, Spain.

Territories not only changed hands with every war, but with every noble marriage.

Anonymous Grayman April 30, 2017 7:17 PM  

Anyone else notice the antifa guys generally look fairly feminine?

Is it ideology/psychology driving their physiology or vice versa?

Are the leftist guys chronic low T individuals hence passive and weak looking? Or do they have a common underlying psychology that drives them to their physical characteristics.

Anonymous Mathias April 30, 2017 7:18 PM  

@138,

Of course, but with hundreds of original principalities in Europe, it's impossible to keep track of the action without a program.

Anonymous kfg April 30, 2017 7:23 PM  

140:

If you can draw up the international program you're a better man than I am. Once upon a time I tried to do it just for the single city of Prague and quickly gave up.

Anonymous kfg April 30, 2017 7:25 PM  

"Are the leftist guys chronic low T individuals hence passive and weak looking? Or do they have a common underlying psychology that drives them to their physical characteristics."

Yes.

Anonymous Mathias April 30, 2017 7:27 PM  

@141,

You would really have to automate and then infograph it with a computer to keep appraised in real-time.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 30, 2017 7:31 PM  

Is George Bush Left or Right? You and I would say Left, but the culture has labelled him Right.

That just means we're right and they're wrong. They can label him Potato for all I care. (Actually, that's a lie; I'd love to see that.)

In a stricter context I would deny that the terms have any meaning in a American, republican context (we had already done away with the monarchy.

Yeah, that's why it's tempting to say all sides in America have always been of the Left, but I think that's too simple. I think the Founders were trying to hold on to some of the values of the Right, which is why their Revolution went so differently. They tried for kind of a hybrid, with some success. A "right-wing American" doesn't have a divinely-ordained hereditary authority to get behind, but he does have the Constitution and some traditions and civic institutions. Hence civic nationalism, in a way.

Or, the right-winger in America, becoming aware that America isn't a nation, may look around for the nation he actually belongs to, and become a nationalist of it.

Anonymous kfg April 30, 2017 7:35 PM  

@143:

Yeah, when that technology came along I played with the idea of doing that. Then I thought I could just put multi-colored blobs in a lava lamp and it would look about the same.

Blogger Wolfman at Large April 30, 2017 7:44 PM  

We may need something special for the heftier comrades.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Sikorsky_S-64_Skycrane

Anonymous An Extremely Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than A Basket Of Twenty Deplorable Cents April 30, 2017 7:48 PM  

@144 Cail Corishev
That just means we're right and they're wrong. They can label him Potatoe for all I care.

FIFY.

Anonymous Grayman April 30, 2017 8:06 PM  

So do we thin the antifa heard by selling testosterone laced latte's at all of their events?

It would be a disaster! All of those poor bastards might actually have to shave!

Anonymous DonReynolds April 30, 2017 8:12 PM  

@136 Mathias

"Napoleon was born on 15 August 1769, to Carlo Maria di Buonaparte and Maria Letizia Ramolino, in his family's ancestral home Casa Buonaparte in Ajaccio, the capital of the island of Corsica. He was their fourth child and third son. This was a year after the island was transferred to France by the Republic of Genoa."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon

Mathias....there was no "Italy" in 1769, you are early by a century. Clearly, Napoleon was born under the French flag.

Blogger James Dixon April 30, 2017 8:19 PM  

> It's like cock-a-doodle-doo for roosters crowing. It just doesn't follow.

To those of us who grew up hearing roosters crow it does.

Anonymous kfg April 30, 2017 8:32 PM  

@150:

I grew up hearing a rooster crow because my mom grew up hearing roosters crow. After they closed out the chicken farm and turned more citified, one of my cousins, first son of my mom's older sister, kept a rooster for a pet.

And you did not mess with my cousin, or that rooster would take you apart.

Blogger Dire Badger April 30, 2017 8:44 PM  

Constitutional conservative wrote:As an Oathkeeper, I am proud to punch Nazis even more than leftist kids. White nationalists and racists beware. We will kick your ass!

As an Oathkeeper, if I ever see you I will be proud to punch YOU in the face, traitor.

You are not an Oathkeeper. Do not try to steal their identity again, shitbag.

Blogger wreckage April 30, 2017 9:32 PM  

"Although mostly empty bluster (like everything Ivan does), this eventuality presents a unique threat to Antifa"

It's an empty unique and credible threat. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you.... the intellectual cream of the alt-left!

Blogger wreckage April 30, 2017 9:41 PM  

"Having jettisoned the traditions and any heriditary authority, they've lost much of what gives a nation its identity."

They also jettison the people. They resile nationality, patriotism, and culture. There is literally nothing left but Imperial authority. Just look at what they say about a constitutional monarchy or crowned republic, and you will see what they eventually become: remember, THEY ALWAYS PROJECT.

Or, to put it another way, since they do not, neurologically perhaps, recognize the procedural/cognitive question "by what legitimate authority?", they are actually incapable of either recognizing or enacting legitimate, limited authority. They cannot model it mentally.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0042366

But unlike Libertarians, they do have an emotive cognitive bias, a relatively strong moralism, and a need for "equality"; so while a Libertarian might be amoral he doesn't care if you are moral or not, whereas as Lefty must impose an emotionally-driven moral order.... but doesn't have a working model of limited authority.

Blogger Dire Badger April 30, 2017 10:11 PM  

forget left right, or even nationalist vs globalist...

What it really is is a fight between feminism and masculism. And both side have an enormous amount of traitors. masculism always wins in the end, but then a society becomes weak and feminised once the masculine 'makes things easy'.
The globalists just want to expand the field so the whole world becomes feminised at once, in hopes that this time it will stick and they can own everything forever.

Anonymous Mathias May 01, 2017 12:24 AM  

@149,

I never claimed there was, I only claimed that Napoleon was born on the Isle of Corsica.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 01, 2017 12:26 AM  

Ladies and Gentlemen, George W Bush, the Potatoe Candidate for President of the United States!

Yep, it works. Should have done a long time ago

Blogger Scott Birch May 01, 2017 1:17 AM  

Worked for me.

Blogger CYPHER May 01, 2017 1:35 AM  

So the street level douche wants to bring it? In the face of National opposition? No, they do Not pack that gear.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable May 01, 2017 1:37 AM  

Intersectionality is rape culture.

Sorry wreckage and Dire Badger for interrupting your instruction, but it really is that simple.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 01, 2017 1:58 AM  

Speaking of authority, some group called the Association of Roman Catholic Women Priests has just "ordained" another woman as the first priest in the Catholic diocese of Charlotte, NC. As a bonus, Eltzroth, who is divorced, is the mother of two grown children. Can't make this stuff up.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable May 01, 2017 2:09 AM  

Feather Blade wrote:Wow. That's some world-class DARVO they're doing there.

How do you answer someone that determined to paint itself as a victim fighting the power?


Intersectionalty is rape cuture.

I'm super cereal.

Blogger Resident Moron™ May 01, 2017 2:51 AM  

You have to laugh at the left complaining about doxxing and the (un)employment consequences thereof.

Like Vox has always said, they made this tactic, they normalised it; they can live with it.

Blogger Dire Badger May 01, 2017 5:56 AM  

Imagine, if you will, A wolf... Looking at one of his offspring, and realizing that it is the breed that will, in some far-distant future, become a Pug.

THAT is why Antifa kids are terrified of getting Doxxed to their parents.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 01, 2017 10:34 AM  

@83 tublecane
@35-I'm at a loss as to how nationalism versus globalism is out of the left/right box.
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Of course Commies are a form of globalists. But we have learned that Repubs and Democrats are a uniparty and there is no right/left in that situation.

These endless scuffles against antifa make it seem that way when even neocons and Cucks are crying about the mean old left on TV. They are not on our side.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 01, 2017 10:36 AM  

@88 Cail Corishev
I'm at a loss as to how nationalism versus globalism is out of the left/right box.

It's not. Globalism is of the left, nationalism typically is of the right -- well to the right of globalism, at least. That's a lot closer to the original left/right divide than the American political one where "left" and "right" parties were both of the globalist left but quibbled over the extent of certain things.
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That's a much better way of putting the point.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 01, 2017 10:48 AM  

@112 Avalanche
@85 "It's like cock-a-doodle-doo for roosters crowing. It just doesn't follow."

It does in AMERICA, to AMERICANS.
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For Fake Americans, it's Cuck-a-doodle-doo

Blogger robins111 May 01, 2017 11:24 AM  

There is a 6 part series on you-tube about the 1936-39 Spanish Civil War, the first part deals with the preliminary events leading up the the entertainment.

What amazes me about the production (BBC lefty slant) is the similarities between then and the ongoing show that is taking place now.

In fact most of the same players are involved and the anarchists, socialist and communist a pear to be using exactly the same play book they used then.

Blogger Ned May 01, 2017 12:07 PM  

I've noticed that some of the same antifa maroons who state that they're reporting Ivan to FBI also complain that Ivan is a federal agent. Antifa maroons can't even seem to keep their paranoia straight...

Blogger Dire Badger May 01, 2017 2:00 PM  

SciVo de Plorable wrote:Intersectionality is rape culture.

Sorry wreckage and Dire Badger for interrupting your instruction, but it really is that simple.


"Intersectionality" is a buzz word. Most people neither know, nor want to bother looking up, it's meaning... Like 'Cis male', It's a word that only matters to THEM.

"Diversity Pimps" is two less syllables. "Zionists" is even simpler phonetically (But more complicated intellectually.

I prefer the term 'phony'

Anonymous SigOthet May 01, 2017 4:33 PM  

An Oathkeeper... What oath are you keeping? The oath to uphold the Constitution? As in, the Constitution that guarantees the white nationalists' rights to free speech and assembly free from violence? Interesting take you have there, almost like you're vowing to break your vow or something. I believe what you were trying to say, in line with your Oath, was that you disagree with what they say, but defend their right to say it....

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 01, 2017 6:45 PM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Speaking of authority, some group called the Association of Roman Catholic Women Priests has just "ordained" another woman as the first priest in the Catholic diocese of Charlotte, NC. As a bonus, Eltzroth, who is divorced, is the mother of two grown children. Can't make this stuff up.

No-one, literally no-one, including their allies and friends, cares that pretend Catholics playacted at a pretend ordination.
The only reason it even gets reported is that they call themselves Catholics, despite a complete lack of Catholicism, and media types LOOOOOVE attacking the Church. Unfortunately, even that tiny thrill is worn out. Now that the normies have figured out the actual story, the Narrative falls flat.
"Diocesan spokesman P. R. Flack commented "So what? Seems under the law we can't sue them for trademark infringement, but really, you could only confuse that pack of idiot losers for Catholics through determined, intentional stupidity."

Blogger Sevron May 02, 2017 1:01 AM  

Cops are mostly thinking, well shoot, don't threaten me with a good time!

Blogger Technomad May 02, 2017 2:17 AM  

At seventh and last, antifa is basically a Days of Rage cosplay. I bet the sight of the Ohio National Guard (as in Kent State) would cool their jets in a hurry.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 02, 2017 2:48 AM  

@96

"Stalin was a nationalist."

Wrong. Stalin was an internationalist. He gobbled up Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Ukraine, Moldova, Belorussia, and others into the USSR proper, and forced Poland, Czechloslovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Rumania and others into the Warsaw Pact under puppet governments.

Russians and other ethnicities were deliberately moved around (Even today, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia complain about the HUGE Russian communities within their borders, which were created when Stalin moved their predecessors into L, L, & E before, during and after "The Great Patriotic War" -- which by and large was Patriotic for the typical Russian peasants.... but was entirely Internationalist for Stalin and the (((Communist party.)))

Blogger Dirk Manly May 02, 2017 2:52 AM  

The only thing Stalin failed to gobble up was Finland.

That's the one in which one Finn, Simo Hayha, with an 1880's bolt-action rifle brought not only infantry, but even armored elements to a dead stop. And racked up more kills than any other sniper in history, including GySgt Carlos Hathcock.

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