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Thursday, April 27, 2017

Blame the blameworthy

JM is disappointed in Ann Coulter's decision to cancel her speech at Berkeley:
Ann Coulter has proven herself to be Ted Cruz; acts tough, promises to be a general and lead the charge, yet when the troops have their arms ready and are awaiting the command she chickens out. It's not that people like her can't be an ally, it's that they can't be trusted to stand their ground when things get tough. So if she doesn't want to lead the charge others will just take over that responsibility from her.
TLM, on the other hand, is not:
I consider this a tactical retreat. Anne has been a more than a worthy adversary to Satan and his minions. I do not begrudge her for not being a point man in a scenario that had a very good probability of seeing violence. Anne is scrawny and probably represents Double XP to some antifata coward. We need some one like Mike to go there. Some that can take and give a punch. 
My perspective is closer to Q's:
I don't know, if you emphatically, publicly. state over and over that the speech will go on, no matter the cancellation, then the speech should go on. Hire Blackwater if need be, but to cancel like this at the last minute, really does give victory to mere threats of violence. To claim it doesn't is to lie to oneself, or others.... ANTIFA was just handed a victory of enormous value. They punked the entire right, that is how they will see it. They were allowed to do so because the right has no real leadership at this time. My goodness, David French at NRO is simply beside himself with the possible ramifications of all this..he might do something rash, and tweet out a cuss word or something. Vox was absolutely right, Ann was betrayed by "conservatives", until they are pushed out of the way, the left will continue to advance. Even with the GOP holding complete power over the federal govt, the left advances...while "conservatives" cower. Every site today on the right is lit up with: ought to, should be, there needs to be, why isn't, how come, where is.." People are still in a state of mind that leads them to believe there is an "authority" that will stop all this unrest. they voted for law & order after all. When the entire point of ANTIFA is to make their vote meaningless.
That being said, I don't blame Ann in the slightest for cancelling after being betrayed by her so-called allies who invited her. She's not a general, she doesn't promise to be, and while she is somewhat of an opinion leader, she has never built any sort of organization around her like the Proud Boys, the Dread Ilk, or Violent Solutions.

Did she talk a little tougher than she was able to back up? Yes, but then, what do you expect? She's a woman, and women should not be leading these things. They will always tend to shrink from potential violence and fail to anticipate it because it is not really part of their world. Moldilocks wouldn't have been out to collect 100 Nazi scalps if she'd believed for a second that a man might retaliate and hit her back.

In the meantime, I'm glad to see Gavin, Brittany, and the others are going to make an appearance and take on Antifa. I expect the VFM and Ilk who will be there to have their backs.

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Blogger S. Thermite April 27, 2017 4:14 AM  

10 years or so ago, I saw Ann at a book signing less than a block from the capital building of a prominent Midwest blue state. She had the gift like many women do of never being at a loss for words, and when she took questions her responses were pithier and more humorous than many male comedians and nearly any female stand-up performer I've seen. So I am disappointed- she has a following, and there are many men who would shed or give blood if she chose to invade and make a stand on the hill of toxic, non-organic dung that is Berkeley. But I agree with Vox that it's better for a man to take the stand, and for rough men to crack skulls. And cracked skulls are the least of what they deserve given their recent record of throwing M-80's at heads to silence free speech.

Blogger Shimshon April 27, 2017 4:26 AM  

I sense a monomania coming on. The train is fine.

Blogger S. Thermite April 27, 2017 4:30 AM  

I wish I could remember exactly what Martin van Crevald said at one of the Brainstorms, but it was something to the effect that society is so feminized now that they're appalled by violence so you'll score more political points be appearing to be the victim, or at least by not appearing as the aggressor. I think, or at least hope, that we're rapidly moving past that, especially as people with eyes to see can see what's happening to the kumbaya cucks and their women who've bent-over to welcome swarthy orcs and dindus into Europe. That said, Ann's tactical retreat may be a more effective play for her in this situation. I heard even Blll Maher took a stand in support of her and of free speech. It's true that many Lefists will disavow him for hatespeak like they've done with Richard Dawkins, but some on the fence will still take notice.

Blogger Shimshon April 27, 2017 4:39 AM  

Bill Maher loses nothing by concern trolling.

Blogger lowercaseb April 27, 2017 4:45 AM  

S. Thermite wrote:society is so feminized now that they're appalled by violence so you'll score more political points be appearing to be the victim, or at least by not appearing as the aggressor.

You are on to something there. The fight in Berkeley on the 15th was a complete rout on Antifa's part, but almost all the big news spots on the conventional right tried to spin it as "look how they are oppressing us." I couldn't understand why they would not want to get the word out that Antifa's bluff had finally been called.

Now I do...and it makes me even angrier. We may have been victims back when Milo spoke, but not anymore. Even when we win, the cucks of the right have to spin it as a loss.

...but what you said at the end is also true. People are SERIOUSLY getting tired of Antifa and now that their blood is in the water, the sharks of the left are starting to take nibbles. It won't be long.

Blogger bosscauser April 27, 2017 4:57 AM  

Why don't some of these heros take her place? She's done dozens of them....

Perhaps she finally took the death threats seriously!

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

Anonymous Looking Glass April 27, 2017 5:02 AM  

Ann's cancellation is a tactical loss for her, but it's strategically valuable for the future. It was a high-profile cuck-turn for a number of people. That's useful information. It also gives the "Agro Right" (for lack of a better term right now) a chance to really have some fun.

We've left the "Battle of Berkeley" realm and entered the "Siege of Alameda" territory. The Agro Right, even if not fully at the strategic-cognitive level, understands the value of doing all of this at Berkeley itself. It is "enemy" held territory, but that's only true so long as they defend it with Antifa & Black Block. They really have no victory condition so long as the Siege continues. The weakness is sensed and there's a lot of folks spoiling for a brawl if the other side wants to start one.

Also, to keep in mind, in about 3 months, we've gone from getting semi-surprised to having an entire Intelligence & Information gathering network setup. This has transitioned from some political rallies into a Network Warfare approach siege. Heck, we've got Hoplites and Phalanx formations! We've somehow mixed the 21st and the 3rd Century BC into a sort of hilarious result.

The Deus Vult is intensifying. Because Spring is Coming.

Anonymous Icicle April 27, 2017 5:08 AM  

Moldilocks wouldn't have been out to collect 100 Nazi scalps if she'd believed for a second that a man might retaliate and hit her back.

Am I the only one who realized this line is from Brad Pitt's character in the movie Inglorious Basterds?

Anonymous Looking Glass April 27, 2017 5:08 AM  

@8 lowercaseb

Good luck & God Bless at the Siege of Alameda. May you return with many hoods of your adversaries.

Blogger SciVo April 27, 2017 5:10 AM  

Looking Glass wrote:the "Agro Right" (for lack of a better term right now)

Chateau Heartiste calls it the "Maul-Right".

Blogger Al From Bay Shore April 27, 2017 5:19 AM  

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Blogger S. Thermite April 27, 2017 5:26 AM  

Perhaps she finally took the death threats seriously!

Agreed. Ann wrote "Demonic", introducing me and many others to truths that Le Bon observed in France about the dangers of mob psychology. And millennia before either of them wrote, was written the exhortation of Exodus 23:2 against following a crowd to do evil. How many even here have heard these warnings? You're not paranoid if they really are out to get you. So in her defense, she's more fully aware of what the right is dealing with from Antifa and the Left than many of her so-called allies are.

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Blogger Duke Norfolk April 27, 2017 5:35 AM  

S. Thermite wrote:society is so feminized now that they're appalled by violence so you'll score more political points be appearing to be the victim, or at least by not appearing as the aggressor.

Yes, we have become the victimhood society/culture. And it has seeped its way into the right, and men, far too much. It has become a reflex to find a way to portray yourself as a victim somehow to gain advantage or deflect criticism.

It's a toxic mindset that you have to guard against, and call out those around you when they fall into it.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore April 27, 2017 5:42 AM  

I had to delete my last two comments because of an error in quoting. Gonna try this again. I need more coffee.

These times remind me of "Bleeding Kansas" and the border wars in that societal factions are engaging in open conflict.

I'm also reminded of what Ayn Rand had to say about the so-called "Free Speech" movement at Berkeley in which she correctly identified the problem with those 60s era "activists":

If these activists choose the policy of 'doing and then reflecting on your doing' -- hasn't Pragmatism taught them that truth is to be judged by consequences? If they 'seem unable to formulate or sustain a systematized political theory of society,' yet shriek with moral righteousness that they propose to achieve their social goals by physical force -- hasn't Logical Positivism taught them that ethical propositions have no cognitive meaning and are merely a report on one's feelings or the equivalent of emotional ejaculations?

The times in which we live are both fascinating and frightening.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable April 27, 2017 6:02 AM  

If a bunch of people like Gavin, Lauren and Brittany show up instead, there's no harm done. Antifa can't claim victory by chasing Ann away so long as the right shows up ready to scrap. I just hope they have enough ground support. To take a physical pounding from Antifa after Ann pulling out would be handing the left an unforced error and a major morale boost.

Blogger Resident Moron™ April 27, 2017 6:11 AM  

"To take a physical pounding from Antifa after Ann pulling out would be handing the left an unforced error and a major morale boost."

Quite possibly. One thing we should consider is that someone is likely to die in one of these conflicts, probably sooner rather than later.

I don't blame Ann for not wanting to be the martyr whose demise clarifies for everyone exactly the nature and stakes of this conflict.

When it does happen, there's going to be a huge effort to lay blame, to evade blame, to muddy the waters as much as possible.

To win the conflict on the ground and in doing so give amenable authority the excuse it wants to crack down hard, will be strategically stupid and damaging.

Discipline is what is going to tell in the end.

Blogger Lovekraft April 27, 2017 6:16 AM  

The marxists have dominated the 'social malaise index'(for lack of a better term) so that alt-right's struggles, needs and wishes are denigrated or declared evil.

But one only has to observe that this is another crucial battlefield: giving the voice to the needy, while mocking and exposing the false victims.

Blogger SteelPalm April 27, 2017 6:38 AM  

Yeah, I don't blame Ann Coulter. She is a solid, thoughtful, entertaining media figure who was on fire during the last election cycle.

But she is no warrior, let alone a leader.

I don't see this as a major win for Antifa, either. They shut down Milo in February, David Horowitz earlier in April, and now Coulter, thanks in large part to police chief Alex Yao (if only folks here worried about Asian influence half as much as they did Jewish influence...), who was the amenable authority.

So what? Right-wingers keep getting invited and battles keep taking place. Battles that the New Right is increasingly well-prepared for, and which they scored a notable victory a couple of weeks ago.

Antifa won a minor victory here, but they've simply delayed the next engagement, nothing more.

Blogger WrenchTurner April 27, 2017 6:39 AM  

Scheduling the speech for midweek was stupid. The right have jobs and responsibilities. If she would have scheduled for a weekend day then the street right would have shown up and she could have said her peace you know who is serious about contesting space by what day of the week they schedule events.

Blogger ZhukovG April 27, 2017 6:39 AM  

This is going to be a long campaign. We will have to make tactical retreats and we will make mistakes. For the record, I think repeatedly striking the same target(Berkeley) is a mistake.

When we make a mistake, we just need to learn from it and move on.

Anonymous Contaminated NEET April 27, 2017 6:50 AM  

I do blame Coulter for this. She talked and talked about how she couldn't be stopped, how she'd speak outside on the stairs if it came to it, and it turned out to be a lot of hot air. I can understand not wanting to be a martyr, and I can understand not wanting the first deaths of the conflict to happen under her watch, but if she felt that way, she shouldn't have been boasting for weeks about how neither hell nor high water could stop her. That's just pathetic.

Blogger GAHCindy April 27, 2017 6:56 AM  

If the people who invited her are no longer involved, wouldn't she be trespassing? Who's paying for it if they've backed out? Did she not need a sponsor to invite her? I figured it was no longer possible for her to do the speech because she had been abandoned.

Don't really know how these things work. Hillbillies just get up on a stump and start preaching. If the first preacher goes too long, the second one just pulls up a box next to him and tries to shout him down. (You think I'm joking, don't you?) We don't have to think about these kinds of things. ;)

Blogger VD April 27, 2017 7:00 AM  

if only folks here worried about Asian influence half as much as they did Jewish influence.

You really need to stop trying to slip those feeble little defenses of US Jews in here, SteelPalm. That's both ridiculous and off-topic. Excessive Asian influence in the USA doesn't come anywhere close to the excessive Jewish influence there, and there is no revisionist Asian history of the USA to compare with Judeo Christ's melting pot mythology.

All you do is expose your Jewish bias when you worry about the Asians, because the Asians are rapidly replacing the Jews as the elite minority in the USA.

If the USA were Vancouver, you'd have a point. But it isn't.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit April 27, 2017 7:03 AM  

Anyone thinking of going should watch this video:
Exposing the hidden structures behind an Antifa riot

It identifies the Berkeley antifa "leaders" (taxpayer-funded, self-hating, half-men, commie professors, quelle surprise!)

A couple of judicious punches to the throats of these clowns and the whole sack of shit comes crumbling down (terrible mixed-metaphor I admit but I have a mental image of antifa as a barricade of sand bags and balloons full of manure for some reason *shrugs*)

Blogger VD April 27, 2017 7:04 AM  

Antifa won a minor victory here, but they've simply delayed the next engagement, nothing more.

I think it is still too soon to say. We'll have to see how it shakes out with the replacement speakers.

She talked and talked about how she couldn't be stopped, how she'd speak outside on the stairs if it came to it, and it turned out to be a lot of hot air.

She accepted an invitation. I don't think she was expecting those who invited her to cuck, considering that they had to have known the level of opposition to be expected when they invited her.

I would have blown off Berkeley too under those circumstances. Why on Earth fight for those who ask you to appear, then won't fight themselves?

Blogger VD April 27, 2017 7:06 AM  

I'm kind of baffled how people can keep using the terms 'leftist', 'democrat', 'lefty', 'sjw'.

You're also banned and spammed from here. Not only are you monomaniacal about Jews, but you are spewing your monomania off-topic across several posts.

You're done commenting here.

Blogger Breadbasket April 27, 2017 7:08 AM  

This is a temporary setback. Berkeley is the bluest city in the most liberal state. It's ground zero for the left, hence one of the toughest areas to crack. Everytime the right tries to penetrate, the left's defense gets a little weaker. But once it cracks, it will be easier elsewhere.

Blogger Duke Norfolk April 27, 2017 7:10 AM  

Contaminated NEET wrote:she shouldn't have been boasting for weeks about how neither hell nor high water could stop her.

Yeah, that's my take on this. I was surprised by this because of her posturing going into it. Kind of hurts her credibility; although our current culture doesn't seem to value credibility that much, alas. "We" constantly let people get away with things that should have permanently banished them from any further attention or notion of authority; in fields across society, from politics to science, amongst many others.

Blogger Buybuydandavis April 27, 2017 7:10 AM  

VD: I don't blame Ann in the slightest for cancelling after being betrayed by her so-called allies who invited her. She's not a general, she doesn't promise to be...

Actually, Ann was the General in planning, but not unfortunately not in command. It seems that almost no one understood what her fight was.

She's not a hoplite. That's not her game. And this is not about her having a bullhorn and a soapbox to stand on in a field. Who cares? She has a best selling book every year. She doesn't need to get her message to a few hundred students.

Her fight was a legal fight. She was once a lawyer, remember? And as is usually the case, she was ahead of the curve, far past everyone else on what is important.

The point is not to play melee with Antifa. In a functioning society, Antifa would be beaten down by the cops, as directed by Berkeley to preserve order and protect the rights of its students.

Ann was going after the government collaboration with Antifa. She was doing her best to put Berkeley and local police on the hook to do their jobs: protect the constitutional rights of the Berkeley students.

Ann offered herself as the means by which College Republicucks could legally fight for their rights from Berkeley. A speech from her brings Antifa. If the Repubs hold to their demand for a room, Berkeley has an obligation to provide it and *make it safe* from Antifa violence.

The students inviting her made this a free speech issue for Berkeley. Their actions could impose legal obligations on Berkeley. When the students punked and withdrew their invite, they let Berkeley off the hook.

Nothing more for Ann to do at that point but curse the cowardice and imbecility of the Berkeley "conservatives" who had wasted everyone's time.

Blogger VD April 27, 2017 7:11 AM  

In case it's not clear, I'm going to start deleting every anti-Jewish monomaniac as well as every Jew who believes it is his duty to rush to the defense of his people every time anyone suggests that perhaps it is a bad idea to permit a statistically insignificant minority dominate multiple industries to the observable detriment of the majority.

I am equally uninterested in reading comments from both the "Jews are the root of all evil" and the "is it good for the Jews" crowds.

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Blogger Cataline Sergius April 27, 2017 7:23 AM  

This is going to be a long campaign. We will have to make tactical retreats and we will make mistakes. For the record, I think repeatedly striking the same target(Berkeley) is a mistake.

When we make a mistake, we just need to learn from it and move on.




From Infogalactic: Raid, also known as depredation, is a military tactic or operational warfare mission which has a specific purpose and is not normally intended to capture and hold terrain, but instead finish with the raiding force quickly retreating to a previous defended position prior to enemy forces being able to respond in a co-ordinated manner or formulate a counter-attack. A raiding group may consist of combatants specially trained in this tactic, such as commandos, or as a special mission assigned to any general troops. Raids are often a standard tactic in irregular warfare, employed by warriors, guerrilla fighters, or other irregular military forces.

The purposes of a raid may include:

* to demoralize, confuse, or exhaust the enemy...


Not all objectives are physical.

Enemy morale is the true objective here.

A series of successful raids deep into the heart of enemy territory is severely demoralizing for them. Team Snowflake is all about their SafeSpaces.

Which is why all of us are little annoyed with Coulter to one degree or another. The last riot was a big win for us. Their morale was crushed.

Her cancellation constitutes successfully repelling a raid. Antifa's morale has now been boosted accordingly.

Blogger Buybuydandavis April 27, 2017 7:27 AM  

VD wrote:

She talked and talked about how she couldn't be stopped, how she'd speak outside on the stairs if it came to it, and it turned out to be a lot of hot air.

She accepted an invitation. I don't think she was expecting those who invited her to cuck,


Her whole strategy to put Berkeley legally on the hook was predicated on getting an official invite from student groups.

They screwed her. I have to think she explained this to them. And they punked anyway. After inviting her.

She seemed quite demoralized on Hannity. "My allies, who I love, are on the same side, but they ran away, they gave in, and then there was nothing I could do."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzAo6vtlbAk

Blogger Buybuydandavis April 27, 2017 7:32 AM  

J A Baker wrote:

By the way, those cucks are going to regret this for the rest of their lives.


No they won't.

They think peacefully submitting to the violence and crime of the Left is the "civilized" thing to do.

That's why the Left has marched on unopposed by an effective enemy for a century in the US.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 27, 2017 7:34 AM  

The event is this afternoon. Let's see if the Clanton Gang a) shows up now that their teevee time might be muted and b) the actual hit-back-twice-as-hard guys are still going to be on hand.

The OK Corral went to the disciplined, not the famous.

Blogger Buybuydandavis April 27, 2017 7:40 AM  

Ann gets into the specifics on how YAF punked out in the first couple minutes of her Hannity interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzAo6vtlbAk

Blogger Koanic April 27, 2017 7:42 AM  

May yer organizations prosper in the everlasting sunshine of Jehovah's favor.

Blogger ZhukovG April 27, 2017 7:44 AM  

@Cataline Sergius: I believe there are a significant number of us, myself included, who are not at all annoyed with Coulter. She made a tactical decision and it was probably the right one.

If there was a mistake, it was in striking Berkeley again after we had already savaged the place. We have a target rich environment, let's make use of it. Insurgent movements should not become too predictable. We don't want to get ambushed or false flagged if we can avoid it.

Anonymous Roundtine April 27, 2017 7:49 AM  

Ann should have shown up to speak, but unlike Spencer at Auburn, she had a paid invitation that was pulled. Spencer was planning to go no matter what from the start.

YAF are the real villains. They collect tens of millions from right-wing Americans each year and they achieve nothing for it. If Ann will no longer work with YAF it is a win.

Anonymous Clay April 27, 2017 7:54 AM  

I used to like Coulter. Still do, for the most part.

Thing I don't like about her, she tends to hang with those East Coast/West Coast types.

Why not come on down to Mississippi and vent her thoughts?

I don't think there would be a problem with her "security".

Blogger Salt April 27, 2017 7:59 AM  

ANTIFA was just handed a victory of enormous value

I'm sure they see it that way. I see this as a case of losing a single battle on the road to eventually winning the war. The weak are being winnowed out.

Blogger Elocutioner April 27, 2017 8:03 AM  

Looks like Ivan has been busy. Interesting times.

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Blogger LonestarWhacko April 27, 2017 8:15 AM  

During the last civil war there were a lot of small brushfires that sprang up. Berkeley is only one of many. Coulter shouldn't have to bear the burden by herself. These are early days. The killing hasn't started yet. Consider the Spanish Civil War.

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Blogger tuberman April 27, 2017 8:29 AM  

Her words were intense, that she was going to speak if she had to speak on some steps and not in a venue. Why no plan B, when YAF cucked, as could have been projected/

Ann hangs with the Coastal Cocktail Set, and loves it there (although she does attack left).

Ann is a harsh critic of the Right when they cuck (she does not even bother to give credit for the positive that has happened with Trump usually,and there is no perspective by her that there might be things beyond her knowledge going on) so she deserves equally harsh criticism when she has no plan B to back her promises.

I find her to be just another tiresome pundit selling books. And a coward by her own harsh, no-excuse standards.

Blogger Nate April 27, 2017 8:35 AM  

"That being said, I don't blame Ann in the slightest for cancelling after being betrayed by her so-called allies who invited her."

we know you have always had a soft spot Ann mate... we just chalk it up to latent necrophilia.

Anonymous JAMES April 27, 2017 8:45 AM  

And thank God for that.

Some people are just boring.

Anonymous Humpty Dumpty Parumpty April 27, 2017 9:04 AM  

Coulter's pledge was not unconditional, but predicated on the presumption that the invitation was standing; once retracted, the pledge was a moral nullity, or least sufficiently ambiguous to allow a 'tactical retreat'.

Blogger DeploraBard April 27, 2017 9:05 AM  

Crowd fund security, simply ask for 100 hard righters to show, oath keepers help or wishful thinking. Soon Ivan will be paid for security

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Anonymous kfg April 27, 2017 9:07 AM  

" . . . society is so feminized now that they're appalled by violence . . ."

Might may not make right, but it sure as shit makes winners. Violence may not be the only answer, but it is always, without exception throughout the known universe, the ultimate answer.

A man's strength has always been his principle strength. And it is also one of the primary taboo subjects throughout most of the manosphere.

Strength is useful. Weakness is not a virtue.

Blogger Chris Mallory April 27, 2017 9:10 AM  

J A Baker wrote:If they ha held the event and there were violent protestors, and the police stood down allowing people to assaulted, then all those attending could file a class action lawsuit against the University and the city of Berkeley for any injuries sustained as well as emotional damages such as PTSD from the trauma;

Doubtful this would ever go anywhere. The police have no duty to protect. It has been held such in many state courts and in 2005 in the Supreme Court.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 27, 2017 9:15 AM  

ANTIFA was just handed a victory of enormous value

Meh. I recall when Spencer's salute gaffe was supposed to be a huge blow for the Right. Remember how we were all supposed to compete to see who could disavow him the loudest, and the very term "Alt-Right" was supposedly so tainted by it that we should abandon it?

Yeah. We tend to overreact to these things (I wonder why). On their own turf, with all the authorities on their side, and aid from traitors on the other side, antifa managed to keep one woman off their lawn. Wow.

Anonymous kfg April 27, 2017 9:27 AM  

"The police have no duty to protect."

They do have a duty to compel alleged lawbreakers to appear for judgement, however.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr April 27, 2017 9:29 AM  

This is developing into a case study in unconventional warfare.

We're fighting on several fronts. There's the physical, but also the legal and propaganda fronts.

Physically, we've got this handled. Our side can put Leftist thugs down as hard as required. The only worry is police intervention.

Legally is tougher. The legal battlespace demands that we not start the violence, and only employ as much as required for self-defense.

The propaganda argument is possibly the most critical. As others have noted, we MUST establish ourselves as the innocent peaceful citizens speaking freely...and the Leftist thugs as criminals against whom all good men's hands should be turned.

Operationally, I'd recommend staying off college campuses. Work the town outside. On campus, the school administration can play games, the campus cops can sit idly by or harass our side. Off-campus, we've got a much better chance. Leftist thugs breaking into a ticket-only event in a rented hall are already in the wrong...and it's a lot easier to field our own security forces to deal with them.

Challenge the Left, but on OUR terms, not theirs. We need to choose the time and place of battle.

FWIW, I expect a long, hot summer. Trump is driving the Left insane.

Blogger Robert Divinity April 27, 2017 9:29 AM  

Why on Earth fight for those who ask you to appear, then won't fight themselves?

Pretty well it there. The cuck groups that invited her haven't been available for much comment, either. Almost anything that sours the public, particularly the young, on cuckservatism is a win--as long as it doesn't drive them into the arms of the Left. This seems unlikely to leave a good impression of either the cucks or left-wingers.

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Anonymous Avalanche April 27, 2017 9:32 AM  

@42 "I used to like Coulter. Still do, for the most part.
Thing I don't like about her, she tends to hang with those East Coast/West Coast types.
Why not come on down to Mississippi and vent her thoughts?
I don't think there would be a problem with her "security"."

Have you arranged a venue, a crowd, and security IN Mississippi; and then invited her?

Those E/W types have the national-media bullhorn. WHO would go listen to her if she were not MSM-famous? WHO would publish (and buy) her books, if not for the E. publishers and publicists? How would your Mississippians even know who she IS, if not for her hanging with the enemy?

If you get 500 Mississippians to come and listen, and even if every single one buys her book and passes it on? It will not reach more than the tiniest pittance of folks who NEED to hear of her! If you get the local MS press and TV stations to report on her talk.... so what?

If you're going to fight a war, you NEED to go where the enemy is!

Anonymous Jeff April 27, 2017 9:33 AM  

I'm glad to see Gavin, Brittany, and the others are going to make an appearance and take on Antifa

I'm skeptical of most of the women in right wing media, who seem far more interested in their careers than family. But Brittany appears to be an exception. She's wife material.

Anonymous Grayman April 27, 2017 9:33 AM  

The alt-right at these events also needs to be thinking "Asymmetrically". Leftist mob against more cohesive right mob can work but it is symmetrical response.
Sending 100...200. carrot men into the middle of the antifa crowd for a giant flash mob dance party with the music cranked on the speakers, all while the standard right holds their lines in silence is asymmetrical. Carrot men demonstrate ridicule and absurdity within antifa while the standard right still offers force on force. Thats grossly simplified, but the general idea. I's assume there are some bright individuals in the alt-right thinking about this.

Carrot man
https://youtu.be/q_aTDd0ZJME

Anonymous BBGKB April 27, 2017 9:35 AM  

I thought Gavin McGuinness was going to show up at Berkley in her place?

Am I the only one who realized this line is from Brad Pitt's character in the movie Inglorious Basterds?

Perhaps you are the only one here willing to admit to watching a movie with reversed reality from WWII? Actual reality was one German gun could kill allied tanks until it ran out of ammo.


if only folks here worried about Asian influence half as much

At least we know the conditions under which Asians can be trusted(random inspections keep the antifreeze out of milk).
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/26/china-bans-muslim-names-including-jihad-mohammad.html

Blogger Troy Lee Messer April 27, 2017 9:36 AM  

My response. Remember Vietnam. Soldiers and Marines kicked major ass tactically, but still lost.

Meat is going to have to make an appearnace sooner or later. We are getting backed into a corner. Im mot going to die in front of my grandson on my knees.

Anonymous Grayman April 27, 2017 9:38 AM  

@57 Napoleon 12pdr

Very true, this summer is ging to be very interesting. SO far this is a classic insurgency type engagement by the left with the right being the counter-insurgents. The meme war is the critical one at this level of conflict.

Blogger Happy LP9 April 27, 2017 9:43 AM  

Annie's still ok, it is not safe for women in this regard. I was concerned for someone as lovely as Laura Southorn at Berk, it was not safe but a chaotic victim disarmament zone.

I suspected those backers would have withdrawn support over liabilities but really they backstabbed & smeared her, it was not a subtle gesture.

Berkeley, antifas are biting the hand that feeds them federal funds. Their excuses for violence is completely misguided absurdist hostility. They cannot be reached so the men have stepped up to address them how they wish to be addressed.

It is such a loss that youths cannot understand complex issues or losing an election or having their narratives challenged (rejected), perhaps since they are wrong and do not understand how civilizations must survive. Its a loss they won't listen, read or work through their logic but no more compassion or concern for them. I wonder when the nat'l guard will be set in as they escalate.

Imagine wasting your youth and risking your safety over politics but that is where the country is as the old codgers fund and enjoy the bloodshed.

Rhetorically, who did this to the youths? the appeasing alt left over the last 20 years via the role of educracts. I also totally suggest they are on drugs to follow through with such aggression then again its a violent punishment based society that has taken control.

Also its still Easter month, violence and instability with warm weather will be a constant with antifa off from their precious dys-schooling, poor kids dont see evil is playing them.

Anonymous Jeff April 27, 2017 9:46 AM  

@48 Nate - we know you have always had a soft spot Ann mate... we just chalk it up to latent necrophilia.

More like equinophilia.

Blogger Chris Mallory April 27, 2017 9:48 AM  

kfg wrote:"The police have no duty to protect."

They do have a duty to compel alleged lawbreakers to appear for judgement, however.


At the cop's own discretion. Sure, they can serve a warrant after the fact, but that is not protection in the heat of the moment. And you have to convince the prosecutor to file charges to compel the person to appear.

The police exist to protect the government and to raise revenue for the government. If you think otherwise, you are very naive.

You would have a civil case against the commies, but suing the government generally is a losing gambit. Especially when there is clear legal precedent against you.

Anonymous kfg April 27, 2017 9:48 AM  

"We are getting backed into a corner. Im mot going to die in front of my grandson on my knees."

The most precious good is freedom,
And we have to defend it With faith and courage.

A las Barricadas. No pasaran!

Anonymous Pliough Contriste April 27, 2017 9:49 AM  

"She's not a woman, and women shouldn't be leading these things..."

Agreed, but part of the problem with Ann is that she acts like a man - that's why many on the right LOVE her, because she talks like a man... heck, you could easily picture her scratching her balls and throwing a punch, in the midst of launching a stream of obscenities at an opponent. If that type of "playing at being one of the guys" is your unannounced claim to fame, you need to back it up with something. She didn't, and her brand will suffer as a result.

Anonymous DaninMD April 27, 2017 9:50 AM  

Question: Could Ann Coulter just show up at campus with no invite without it being trespassing? Serious question; I don't know the answer.

Right now the substitute rally is being held in downtown Berkeley on Martin Luther King Jr. Way, *not* on campus.

If she showed up on campus uninvited and was charged with criminal trespass or something, couldn't she have a real legal problem? I mean the legal system in California is Communists who do not believe in American law basically all the way up. They could charge her with starting a riot or God knows what else and these California "judges", who when California had civilization would have been limited to janitorial work, would participate in her unjust persecution.

If you know the answer to these questions, please enlighten me.

Anonymous Avalanche April 27, 2017 9:50 AM  

@46 "then all those attending could file a class action lawsuit against the University and the city of Berkeley"

The underlying premise to this is: "and the courts will do the honorable thing."

If the President cannot get the courts to do the legal thing, why do you think injured Alt Righters can get any success in court? (Do you not get that the courts are enemy-controlled ground? We are trapped behind enemy lines: never forget that!)

This is -- and has always been -- the biggest blind spot for "conservatives." Because they uphold the law, they really think the (((lawyers and judges))) will too. When some Rightist has been fired or fined or otherwise 'injured' by the lefties, other Rightists are always: "take him/them to court!"

Think for a minute about that: After some lawyer (if you can even find one to help you) goes up against his COLLEAGUES (in the persons of opposing lawyer(s) and the judge) ... then, no matter the verdict ... that lawyer goes out for a glass of wine with his opponent! You and your case, no matter how "American," do not and never will outweigh that lawyer's "loyalty" to his peers and his superiors (in future trials) -- and his family (career, paycheck).

Can you see, all of you hoping to "make change" through the courts, that you're looking for "Big Daddy" to do right by you? Bad, bad odds; do not roll those dice! (Fait vous joue: place your bet!)

Blogger Happy LP9 April 27, 2017 9:56 AM  

Instead of the antifa improving their own lives, addressing the financial rape of student debt and saving mommy some money they go agasint the wrong group, they dont have the courage to fight or occupy the senate or house areas.

Also glorious but tragic that the lie of equality and feminism has given way to hitting women or women throwing punches and getting knocked out.

Regarding pepper spray, one could train to ingest a tablespoon of cayenne pepper, dose your eyes without a problem. Prep. A little exposure wont kill you. It doesn't bother me, its a natural pain reliever like dragonsblood chunks.

Kek is summoned;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcGPTeUQkgM

Blogger Chris Mallory April 27, 2017 9:57 AM  

"Question: Could Ann Coulter just show up at campus with no invite without it being trespassing? Serious question; I don't know the answer."

I can't speak to any current law, policy, or to Berkeley policies. But the policy at the University of Kentucky back in the early 90's was that the campus was only open to those with a connection to the University. There was a street preacher that was raising a lot of hackles and some tried to get him removed from campus. But the policy allowed alumni to use the "free speech" area. So the admin had to let him stay since he had graduated back in the 1960's.

Most of these universities also require groups sponsoring speakers to pay for any security needed. We tried to get G. Gordon Liddy to speak on campus, but the security fee was so high that it was impossible.

Anonymous kfg April 27, 2017 9:58 AM  

@67: " If you think otherwise, you are very naive."

In my city of under 100k the police/government relationship has been called out by Alex Jones for its corruption. He got the story a bit wrong though, the police here are a quasi-independent thug force (it's written into the city charter) which the government has been trying to bring under a bit of civilian control.

Oddly enough, it turns out that there is no mandate to actually have a police force, so the mayor threatened to dismiss them and call on the national guard to maintain law and order.

I gotta get out of this place. It's a shit show all around.

Blogger Lazarus April 27, 2017 9:59 AM  

Napoleon 12pdr wrote:FWIW, I expect a long, hot summer. Trump is driving the Left insane.

He is kinda driving everyone insane.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 27, 2017 10:03 AM  

I'm skeptical of most of the women in right wing media

To be fair, I'm skeptical of most of the men in right-wing media too.

There's a catch-22 with women having positions of leadership on the Right. On one hand, I think right-wing ideas are more palatable to the average person when they come from a woman. Cries of LiterallyHitler just aren't as effective against them, and most people just assume women are nicer and, well, better than men. So when a woman, even one as strident as Ann, says "We need to get rid of these illegals," it just doesn't sound as harsh to them. So women may have an advantage in advancing right-wing ideas among the general population. And good on them for it.

On the other hand, with few exceptions, women aren't natural leaders. Figureheads, maybe; inspiration, certainly; but leaders in the sense of making the strategy and leading the charge, no. We shouldn't expect them to be. As people get over their well-indoctrinated fears of everything right-wing, so that it no longer requires a woman's touch to speak for the Right without being seen as a Nazi, men will emerge to take leadership positions. But this transition period might be necessary to get to that point.

Anonymous Avalanche April 27, 2017 10:04 AM  

I WOULD like to see some planning, now that we've seen the suborned/controlled police disarm OUR folks but let antifags come into the ground fully armed.

Two sets of our guys: the first with fake / give-away "weapons" who enter the battle space beforehand (and let the cops take the fakes)); the second set waiting outside the police cordon with a double-set of real weapons; theirs and their disarmed companions' weapons! When antifa show up and the police melt away; suddenly we have a fully armed army!

Blogger mgh April 27, 2017 10:06 AM  

Watch Ann's interview with Hannity. About half way through she goes on a rant about how she "wants to win now", and stupid Republicans are always caving and saying "we'll win next time." She gets it.

Anonymous Grayman April 27, 2017 10:06 AM  

@71 Avalanche

You are generally correct that the courts are converged and essentially in revolt against the general citizenry of the nation, declaring themselves lords of their domain above all else.

However, Lawfare will still be a component to this multi-faceted conflict. The right is massively out resourced and in "occupied" territory, but that lawfare facet must still be smartly engaged. Civil suits are a good way to increase the "risk premium" for the left. If any civil suits are carefully targeted against leftist soft points they will be more effective.

Anonymous DaninMD April 27, 2017 10:09 AM  

@Avalanche --

The third battle of Berkeley, April 15th, 2017, showed there is no need. Fully armed antifa got their butts kicked by totally unarmed suburban dads. And the legend grew.

Anonymous Grayman April 27, 2017 10:17 AM  

It should also be kept in mind that at some point professional agitators are going to work to instigate both sides to become more violent. History in the US shows that this has often been done directly by the federal government.
It has to be assumes that the Feds have already put infiltrators in key crowds on both sides.

As an easy example look a the Occupy Wallstreet protests. Police officers dressed as protestors were intentionally instigating violence.

The right has more to lose due to infiltration and instigation and as such must be VERY careful about escalation. Any calling for violent escalation should be viewed very suspiciously.

Anonymous SumDood April 27, 2017 10:17 AM  

Send Coulter doppelgangers onto Berkeley campus at the time of the event, and have them duck in and out of buildings with a small entourage. The Antifa scum will work themselves into a nervous breakdown trying to sort out the multiple conflicting sightings and dispatch protestors to the locations.

Anonymous BBGKB April 27, 2017 10:23 AM  

"Question: Could Ann Coulter just show up at campus with no invite without it being trespassing? Serious question; I don't know the answer."

Remember the Boy Scouts won the supreme court in 2000 but 1000+ lawfare attacks forced them to take trannies in Jan 2017.

Here are some stupid cops enforcing stupid rules. Likely because non Asian minorities can't build sandcastles without help.
https://fee.org/articles/build-a-sandcastle-get-fined-500-and-maybe-go-to-jail/
http://www.naplesnews.com/story/news/local/watercooler/2017/03/30/minister-fined-25-using-metal-hoe-build-sandcastle-florida/99827902/

Blogger J A Baker April 27, 2017 10:24 AM  

@Chris Mallory,

Not sure about Berkeley but if it's a public university basically anyone can show up and speak out in the open. Open Air preachers do it all the time.

Blogger lowercaseb April 27, 2017 10:42 AM  

DaninMD wrote:The third battle of Berkeley, April 15th, 2017, showed there is no need. Fully armed antifa got their butts kicked by totally unarmed suburban dads. And the legend grew.

Not to concern troll, but that was the last encounter. We will get our asses handed to us if we show up assuming that we can beat them simply because we beat them last time.

One of the biggest reasons antifa lost on the 15th was because they assumed that they would be fighting the last battle. Today is going to be fully aware folks on both sides.

This is going to suck...but it needs to happen.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 27, 2017 10:44 AM  

aren't there,like,five different seminaries in Berkeley, California?

wouldn't an effective tactic be sending people to debate at the seminaries? That would be in town, that would affect the nation for years afterward-think of the generational damage that one guy- Sloane Coffin has done- while the antiras wouldn't even notice because antifa is all atheist. It would be the ultimate purloined letter.

and,since pastors spread out across the usa, they'd carry the ideas with them. In the meantime,they'd be talking to each other at kids birthday parties,backyard picnics,hiking at the parks.

I mean,we don't have alt-right pastors in place, but we do have young men that do want to be pastors. The Alt-right,because it is nationalist and Christian,has saints and history- John Chrysostom, alone, his sermons are more fiery than any pepe-fan can imagine- so if these young men debated at seminaries, they'd get practice, the pastors in training would get exposure to the ideas--and antifa would have no clue, for a long while. it would literally be victory from the jaws of defeat,

Anonymous kfg April 27, 2017 10:50 AM  

https://infogalactic.com/info/Graduate_Theological_Union

A friend of mine was a seminary student at . . . UC Berkeley.

Anonymous johnc April 27, 2017 11:04 AM  

Berkeley is distracting the Right. Check out Coulter's column that was released today. It's on Breitbart. We have to maintain focus on our true enemies, which are not antifa pawns.

Anonymous FP April 27, 2017 11:05 AM  

So, Antifa among others have gotten the Portland Rose Parade cancelled. All because the Portland/county GOP were going to march in the parade.

http://www.oregonlive.com/rosefest/index.ssf/2017/04/organizers_cancel_82nd_avenue.html

Bezos blog take:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/04/27/portland-rose-parade-canceled-after-antifascists-threaten-gop-marchers/

"Democracy dies in darkness" Oh, the lulz.

"The email said that 200 people would “rush into the parade” and “drag and push” those marching with the Republican Party."

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable April 27, 2017 11:31 AM  

we know you have always had a soft spot Ann mate... we just chalk it up to latent necrophilia.

Add me to the long list of 'philiacs.

Blogger praetorian April 27, 2017 11:53 AM  

if only folks here worried about Asian influence half as much as they did Jewish influence.

And right when I was starting to really like you again, Steel.

Today is going to be fully aware folks on both sides.

This is going to suck...but it needs to happen.


Deus Vult and good luck and , lcb. Wish I was down there.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 27, 2017 12:02 PM  

Note: Jockeys wear about 10 goggles on muddy days for one race. They are thin and hardy and practically disposable.

You just pull off the ruined one and keep going. Might be worth trying out.

Blogger Chris Mallory April 27, 2017 12:24 PM  

J A Baker wrote:@Chris Mallory,

Not sure about Berkeley but if it's a public university basically anyone can show up and speak out in the open. Open Air preachers do it all the time.


I was just relating the one experience I had at a particular public state flagship university at a point in time. You will have to check current rules and court decisions that apply to the university you are concerned with. They might have language buried in their rules that could keep persons unaffiliated with the university off university grounds, IF they choose to enforce them.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky April 27, 2017 12:25 PM  

What is with this business of blaming or attacking Ann? C'mon folks, Ann is not the enemy. Her hosts pulled out of the event, she's standing there holding the bag. What should she do, elbow her way in as an uninvited and unsupported guest where she is clearly unwelcome?

When you find yourself abandoned on the field, do you stand there waiting to get shot at? That seems foolish.

Anonymous Jeff April 27, 2017 12:37 PM  

@76 Cail - Women may have an advantage in advancing right-wing ideas among the general population. And good on them for it.

Fair points, Cail, especially feminine women like Brittany.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 27, 2017 12:50 PM  

When you find yourself abandoned on the field, do you stand there waiting to get shot at? That seems foolish.

No, you definitely do not. Her vow to speak if it was cancelled was contingent on her soldiers not turning their guns on her. She has nothing to apologize for. I do think she would have been swiftly adopted into the VIOLENT.SOLUTIONS hedge of protection if she was interested, but the fact is that she may be more important (if there is a clash) if she does NOT show up at all.

It could be the "Coulter Riots" by the Fake News Narrative, and the Fake News fails with the longest legs are the ones that have the disproving fakery in the name (WMD, Bush National Guard Papers, Hillary Inevitable, etc.)

If she's literally not there for her own riot, the media is just going to paint a target on their own crotch and punch down hard.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 27, 2017 1:09 PM  

Meanwhile Libtards flashmobbed the Heritage foundation for about 20 minutes the other day.

While opposition to Trump's budget was the headline of the demonstration, they didn't let that stifle their creativity. "Our solution to pollution is the people's revolution," they chanted before switching over to the more succinct, but no less vague, cadence of "water not walls."

Whatever security Heritage had was not enough. Since it was DC libtards they didn't do much more than LARP. But this is a step further from the "walk around outside holding a sign" protest, obviously they didn't want to get arrested.

Photo and ID will work for these LARP's. Harder core flash mobbers will require a more Based approach. No carrot. All Stick.

Blogger Timmy3 April 27, 2017 1:26 PM  

It's not a good idea to rely on women and sissy boys to run on conservative ideas and they have been the face of Republicans and Conservatives for years.

Anonymous SigOther April 27, 2017 1:34 PM  

Yeah, when Bernie Sanders supports Ann Coulter over leftists at UC Berkeley, a propaganda front is breaking through their defenses

Anonymous SigOther April 27, 2017 1:42 PM  

The "Siege at Shattuck" sounds better. Deus Vult!

Anonymous SigOther April 27, 2017 2:03 PM  

I recall a certain guy in Europe who runs a publishing house saying something about "don't shoot right." I think he had a really good point, don't you agree? Or do you support those that oppose us?

Anonymous SigOther April 27, 2017 2:09 PM  

It's *University of California* Berkeley, an arm of the state government. Unless they have a darned good reason, they cannot bar you from simply being on state property; also generally speaking, they cannot stop you from 1A activity in traditionally free-speech areas, such as public parks and generally public fora, such as Sprouh plaza (sp?), absent a seriously good reason.

Anonymous SigOther April 27, 2017 2:18 PM  

Ok, so doing this on a phone, so this is the abreviated version: you are speaking of that which you do not know. Wait a few weeks or months. There are prelitigation steps necessary and in process, and Mrs. Dhillon, UCB Repubs, and Ann C. have already fired the first of MANY salvos to come on this front.
Also, stop fighting for Soros and telling us to not attack the violent far left where we can. Shame on you for attacking those who would take the fight to the enemy. Since when has "the road is long and narrow" been sufficient to dissuade good men?

Anonymous SigOther April 27, 2017 2:26 PM  

Not fully armed. Only one guy on the right got stabbed by some Klantifa guy with a knife; no guns, and only small explosives with no shrapnel. The left has used worse weapons before, but haven't gotten back to there as of 4/15

Blogger Were-Puppy April 27, 2017 3:40 PM  

@15 Al From Bay Shore

The times in which we live are both fascinating and frightening.
---

That's a good quote

Blogger Were-Puppy April 27, 2017 3:43 PM  

@21 ZhukovG

For the record, I think repeatedly striking the same target(Berkeley) is a mistake.
---

Why? I saw someone on Gab make this same type statement.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 27, 2017 4:03 PM  

"If she showed up on campus uninvited and was charged with criminal trespass or something, couldn't she have a real legal problem? I mean the legal system in California is Communists who do not believe in American law basically all the way up. They could charge her with starting a riot or God knows what else and these California "judges", who when California had civilization would have been limited to janitorial work, would participate in her unjust persecution."

Then she could sit in jail for a year, and write another book:
"Struggle"

Anonymous Duder April 27, 2017 4:07 PM  

Ann Coulter is a coward. There are already a few hundred Trump supporters at Berkeley right now, they would've protected her.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 27, 2017 4:13 PM  

@77 Avalanche

Two sets of our guys: the first with fake / give-away "weapons" who enter the battle space beforehand (and let the cops take the fakes)); the second set waiting outside the police cordon with a double-set of real weapons; theirs and their disarmed companions' weapons! When antifa show up and the police melt away; suddenly we have a fully armed army!
---

That used to be SOP for going into a concert. They will search you for liquor, so have two or three bottles on you, give them one, and enter.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( don't trifle with me, son. i'm a professional, certified 4th degree black belt in the ancient Hebrew martial art of Kibitz Maga ) April 27, 2017 4:17 PM  

Battle for Berkeley 4, livestreamed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51415E1OfTg

Blogger Cail Corishev April 27, 2017 4:33 PM  

/r/The_Donald has a live chat going, with links to live streams and stuff. (I'd link to it, but it seems like threads go away and get replaced now and then for reasons I don't understand.) So far, there are reports that 70 antifa are/were getting ready to march, but also that the cops are enforcing the no-masks law this time, which is probably putting a bit of a kink in their plans.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable April 27, 2017 4:48 PM  

I'm tired of the "Ann is a pussy" rubbish. Take it elsewhere unless you have the balls to go there and stand up yourself.

Blogger Chris Mallory April 27, 2017 4:54 PM  

SigOther wrote:It's *University of California* Berkeley, an arm of the state government. Unless they have a darned good reason, they cannot bar you from simply being on state property; also generally speaking, they cannot stop you from 1A activity in traditionally free-speech areas, such as public parks and generally public fora, such as Sprouh plaza (sp?), absent a seriously good reason.

In theory, you are correct. But theory and the real world are often divergent. It will be cheaper to make a few phone calls and talk to a local lawyer before hand than to rely on theory and make your phone calls from jail.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 27, 2017 5:39 PM  

An offhand prediction: Antifa bails because the police took away their masks and M80s, so the narrative becomes, "The TrumpNazis tried to provoke the peaceful college liberals into a fight, but of course it didn't work. See, they were making up all the stuff about being threatened and needing protection; they're the only ones who want violence."

Which is fine, if it happens. There are too many livestreams, too many independent people doing journalism these days, for that narrative to hold.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 27, 2017 6:20 PM  

No, this is unqualified total victory for the Right and an unmitigated disaster for Antifa.

No spin will change that. Sounds like Trump applied federal pressure for the law to be enforced.

Anonymous Panzer Man April 27, 2017 6:52 PM  

Unfortunately, the so-called Based Stick Man has revealed himself as a full cuck, fan of diversity, and enemy of any kind of ethnonationalism -- a full and aggressive believer in Magic Dirt theory:

https://altright.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Stickman-400x489.png

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8103282a2d46aed0a3dfce4495b255d6528afe5750c96c9e467812dfdb8add5b.jpg

He's worried more about making the rest of us bow to our new brown overlords than fighting the Antifa, from the looks of it. Disgusting.

On the original topic: Yes, people should stop calling Anne names. She's highly useful, has a big audience, and by nature of her sex isn't suited to open battle. Let her do her thing and we'll do ours, and have her back when necessary.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 27, 2017 6:55 PM  

Panzer Man wrote:Unfortunately, the so-called Based Stick Man has revealed himself as a full cuck, fan of diversity, and ene....zzzzz......

SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH AND SHOOT LEFT!!!!!

Anonymous Panzer Man April 27, 2017 6:58 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Panzer Man wrote:Unfortunately, the so-called Based Stick Man has revealed himself as a full cuck, fan of diversity, and ene....zzzzz......

SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH AND SHOOT LEFT!!!!!


Tell that to HIM.

Blogger VD April 27, 2017 7:04 PM  

Unfortunately, the so-called Based Stick Man has revealed himself as a full cuck, fan of diversity, and enemy of any kind of ethnonationalism -- a full and aggressive believer in Magic Dirt theory.

He's not a full cuck, he's a civic nationalist. Settle down. It will take some time for the civic nationalists to grasp that their vision has failed.

Anonymous Panzer Man April 27, 2017 7:15 PM  

VD wrote:Unfortunately, the so-called Based Stick Man has revealed himself as a full cuck, fan of diversity, and enemy of any kind of ethnonationalism -- a full and aggressive believer in Magic Dirt theory.

He's not a full cuck, he's a civic nationalist. Settle down. It will take some time for the civic nationalists to grasp that their vision has failed.


Hopefully. But he's still shooting right, and it also seems doubtful that Stick Man at least will ever change his tune, since he's in an interracial relationship.

Still, you're right, and one more or less doesn't really matter anyway. The Republican party's bursting with them, so weary acceptance is the best policy.

Blogger DonReynolds April 27, 2017 7:52 PM  

Who in the world ever thought Ann Coulter was the American version of Joan of Arc?
She isn't, nor is she supposed to be.
She is what she does, just like everyone else.
It is neither her role or her responsibility to confront the gadflies and the ninja pajama-boys on ANY college campus.....most especially in California.

The legal environment in California is not the same as the other 49 states. In California, the blame and liability for what happens could be assigned to her, should there be any "tragic" violence visited on either side.

If you will remember....Charles Manson was sentenced to life in prison for a murder he did not commit, nor was he ever present where it was committed. I think about that frequently. Had Manson and his "family" lived in many other states, he would not have been charged with murder simply because someone said he told them to do it, but it happened in California where the law is different.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 27, 2017 9:00 PM  

In almost all states, conspiracy to murder is first-degree. There's nothing special about California laws in that regard.

Anonymous DonReynolds April 27, 2017 11:47 PM  

@123 Snidely Whiplash
Conspiracy to murder requires more than telling someone else to do it.

Anonymous Raker Tooth April 28, 2017 12:44 AM  

Results...I need help grasping the practical results of these speeches at Berkeley. Maybe they're attended by students who will retain the message, that it one day catalyzes and changes their outlook; but what are the odds? Does the alt right actually -need- a psychological victory like this? As a precursor to things that might follow, maybe. If we're trying to win this thing in the realm of ideas and politics, then we should be out winning the moderates who know something is wrong, but haven't identified it. If we're going for physical confrontation, I got news folks, some students raised in the indoctrination machine aren't the enemy. It's like people over in England or Sweden getting angry at Muslims for the sub human behavior they engage in. Yeah, it's bad, and they should be put down like a dog; but, do they not know that the government that lets the rabid dogs in IS THE ENEMY? It never ceases to baffle me, it's like they keep trying to convince their government that this is a mistake, don't you, won't you, oh please care about us and see how bad these people are? So let's be distracted and angry at Antifa. If everything else from the 60's was stupid, one line from one song isn't. The one that says "...mostly say hoo-ray for our side." Both approaches; winning minds, and fighting a real war, need thoughtful discussion. I get really tired of great ideas in comments sections, or great initial posts for that matter, getting pushed down by new content. It's like the perfect analogy of our times, good distraction or bad distraction, or Antifa distraction, it's all distraction. I'd like to see ideas for reaching the masses put in static locations.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 28, 2017 1:51 AM  

DonReynolds wrote:Conspiracy to murder requires more than telling someone else to do it.
No. No it doesn't.
Telling someone else to commit a crime, with the full expectation that they will do so, makes you complicit. No other action is required.

Blogger VD April 28, 2017 7:58 AM  

Zip it, Snidely. You're not a lawyer. Stop being so reflexively argumentative.

Anonymous SigOther April 28, 2017 8:28 PM  

To be quite spergy on this, Snidely appears to be more right than wrong. Its actually called soliciting murder, not conspiracy; conspiracy requires more, ie an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy. But yes, asking someone to commit a crime with the intent that the crime actually be carried out is sufficient to prove solicitation. California Penal Code s. 653f, Ppl v. Cook, 151 cal.app.3d 1142

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