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Thursday, April 13, 2017

China warns Pyongyang

When reading this editorial, understand that The Global Times is essentially a foreign vehicle for the Chinese government, being published by "the ruling Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) paramount mouthpiece", the People’s Daily.
US President Donald Trump tweeted Tuesday that "North Korea is looking for trouble. If China decides to help, that would be great. If not, we will solve the problem without them!"

North Korea's Supreme People's Assembly convened on Tuesday. A few days later, North Korea will mark the birth anniversary of the late leader Kim Il-sung on April 15, also known as the Day of the Sun. Pyongyang likes to launch nuclear activities as a political salute around this date. Therefore, April is widely seen as a high-risk period for new nuclear tests by North Korea.

The US aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson is headed toward the Korean Peninsula after abruptly turning back from sailing to Australia, and Trump sent a warning via his tweet. These are probably related to reports that satellite surveillance shows North Korea is likely to conduct new nuclear tests. Washington's latest threat to Pyongyang is more credible given its just launched missile attack at an air base in Syria. The Korean Peninsula has never been so close to a military clash since the North conducted its first nuclear test in 2006.

If Pyongyang conducts its sixth nuclear test in the near future, the possibility of US military action against it will be higher than ever. Not only Washington brimming with confidence and arrogance following the missile attacks on Syria, but Trump is also willing to be regarded as a man who honors his promises.

Now the Trump team seems to have decided to solve the North Korean nuclear crisis. As the discussion runs deeper, a situation of no-solution will not be accepted. A new nuclear test or an intercontinental ballistic missile test, if conducted by Pyongyang at this time, will be a slap in the face of the US government and will intensify the confrontation between North Korea and the US.

Presumably Beijing will react strongly to Pyongyang's new nuclear actions. China will not remain indifferent to Pyongyang's aggravating violation of the UN Security Council (UNSC) resolution.
Translation: China is utilizing US bellicosity as an excuse to save face in Asia and use force if necessary to resolve the North Korean situation. It is unlikely that this result is an accident or was unforeseen by the President.

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Anonymous Leonidas April 13, 2017 11:05 AM  

China is utilizing US bellicosity as an excuse to save face in Asia

As intended.

Anonymous garrulus April 13, 2017 11:17 AM  

"..but Trump is also willing to be regarded as a man who honors his promises."

He broke most promises to his base, who have abandoned him mostly. It will be hard for Trump to fix this.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 13, 2017 11:19 AM  

Key paragraph:

More and more Chinese support the view that the government should enhance sanctions over Pyongyang's nuclear activities. If the North makes another provocative move this month, the Chinese society will be willing to see the UNSC adopt severe restrictive measures that have never been seen before, such as restricting oil imports to the North.

Cutting oil imports to the Norks would be a serious step.

Pyongyang's nuclear weapons program is intended for securing the regime, however, it is reaching a tipping point. Pyongyang hopes its gamble will work, but all signs point to the opposite direction.

This is remarkably blunt considering the source.

Blogger Robert Divinity April 13, 2017 11:21 AM  

If Trump has convinced the Chinese to remove the Kim tyranny (no doubt to be replaced by a more benign communist dictatorship), and they indeed do so, he'll be among the greatest presidents instantly.

Blogger DJ | AMDG April 13, 2017 11:23 AM  

Why should we care what NK does or the Asian region anymore than what Syria does and the Middle East? Haven't you also written before that if a country wants nukes they should be able to pursue them and the USA has no moral authority to stop them? I'm confused by all the various analysis I've read here regarding this issue. It seems to me the Syria cruise missiles show either DJT is weak/being manipulated/a liar about his goals OR he is strong and playing "NthD global strategic chess" BUT regardless is still behaving as an interventionist.

I'm sick of all of it. I want all our troops and assets brought home from every nation and continent they are on. Korea. Japan. Germany. The Balkans and Baltics and Balzacs. I don't care. Africa!! The Philippines. Central America. South America. We don't need any of them to be a thriving nation. We can and are self sufficient. We don't need Middle East oil. We don't need Asian electronics. We don't need German cars. We don't need Aouth American timber or steel. Only the globalist a-national corporations need all that and more.

Intervention in NK seems no different to me than intervention in Syria. It still puts globalist interests above our own.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 13, 2017 11:23 AM  

@2

It didn't even take more than two posts for a shill to respond. This has to be a new record for the blog.

Blogger HanSolo April 13, 2017 11:26 AM  

Semi-OT: It's looking like the Syria strike and all of the supposed conflict between Trump and Putin is simply a smokescreen to quiet the Russia-Trump hysteria. And it's working. I think Putin knows this was all a rouse to quiet the Dems and the MSM and he's kind of playing along, feigning offense.

Now, Joe Cuckborough is saying, "But how fascinating that Vladimir Putin thought he was going to influence politics in America, it hasn't turn out that way.... Trump isn't working out very well for Putin"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/04/13/joe_scarborough_putin_ended_up_only_influencing_ann_coulter_and_sean_hannity.html

Blogger Salt April 13, 2017 11:26 AM  

NK is supposedly set to test detonate another on Friday. Time is short here.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 13, 2017 11:27 AM  

@6
Yeah, 17 minutes is pretty quick, not sure about the record.

Blogger Whisker biscuit April 13, 2017 11:29 AM  

Your cheerleading and depththroating Trump's neocon itchy war finger seems foreign to those who voted for a non-interventionalist and wall building tycoon.

I guess keyboard blasting those who don't fall in to lockstep is an old trick picked up from your counterparts on the left.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 13, 2017 11:29 AM  

@5

Because you can make a credible argument that North Korea poses, or will pose in the near future, an actual threat to the United States. People are going to have to deal with the fact that this isn't the 19th century anymore, and even then the US still intervened in foreign affairs when they thought it was in their interest see the Barbary Wars, and that you can't pretend that a problem nation isn't your problem. That doesn't mean the US should go around changing regimes either out right or covertly, which only exacerbates problems, but if the president can make a credible case that military force is necessary to protect our interest then I don't have a problem with it.

I also say that being in whole hearted agreement with you when it comes to pulling the vast majority of our military assets back home.

Blogger Johnny April 13, 2017 11:30 AM  

At risk of feeding a troll.

>>Why should we care what NK does or the Asian region anymore than what Syria does and the Middle East?

With regard to conventional arms I agree. Let the locals deal with it, or not deal with it. But nuke armed ICBM's make the country a global problem.

>>Haven't you also written before that if a country wants nukes they should be able to pursue them and the USA has no moral authority to stop them?

Moral authority? Guess what, life isn't fair. And abstaining from doing anything about that crap hole regime is hardly a moral cause.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 13, 2017 11:31 AM  

China's reluctance is logistical. NK likes Kim Jong Un. They think he's Kim Il Sung reborn, or at least way better than Kim Jong Il. He's whacked his own family pretty ruthlessly, and there are far fewer dissident refugees coming out now.

And he has nukes that might be able to reach Beijing, and bioweapons that can definitely strike the Red Army on the other side of the border.

It isn't like the Red Chinese can just waltz in, bloodless coup, and walk out. It is a big problem they have and without Trump, they would not be facing the music now.

Blogger Whisker biscuit April 13, 2017 11:33 AM  

Fake news is only fake when said news is pushing a hostile agenda. Now it's not fake when the get their marching orders to rile up the masses into wartime fever. Even the deplorables like to neocon from time to time.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar April 13, 2017 11:33 AM  

Donald Trump's base is much bigger than Ex-Rand Paulians and the Prison Planet Brigade. Some of us understand the need to remain consequential. Extreme isolationism is not the proper course for this country and will only allow existing problems to snowball completely out of control.

I was against nation building, but I strongly approve of flexing our foreign muscle where it is in our national interest.

Blogger Deadmau5 Patton April 13, 2017 11:34 AM  

@2 garrulus "He broke most promises to his base, who have abandoned him mostly. It will be hard for Trump to fix this."

His approval ratings are higher than ever right now, and only the alt right and for a few moments characters like Cernovich "abandoned" him ie questioned what he was doing.

Many of his voters are obviously happy about what he's doing, whether or not it goes against what he said in one of his speeches.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore April 13, 2017 11:35 AM  

@11 I agree with the idea that NK is a threat to the United States. After all, the regime makes threats about possessing the capability to hit the U.S. with nukes. This is fundamentally different from the rationale given to invade Iraq under George HW Bush which then set the stage for the invasion under George W Bush.

Trump's Syrian adventure left me salty BUT if this was done to form leverage against NK then I am all for it. I'd love for China to incite a coup against the Kim family.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 13, 2017 11:37 AM  

@10

Spare us your virtue signaling Whisker, and yes if you were a regular reader on the blog it is, we don't tolerate those who fail to keep shooting left. A faithless ally is worse than an outright enemy.

Blogger Whisker biscuit April 13, 2017 11:37 AM  

All war is justified with the right rhetoric, glittering generalities, and convincing sophistry from agressive keyboard warriors who have never been part of the warrior class--just the chattering class.

Thomas Sowell once said all the great screw ups in the world have their genesis in the intellectuals who think and talk, but never do.

Anonymous BluePony April 13, 2017 11:37 AM  

"It didn't even take more than two posts for a shill to respond. This has to be a new record for the blog."

Climate change is causing posts to leak from other timelines more frequently.

All the leaks from the timelines where Clinton won have fallen mysteriously silent.

Anonymous Dack Thrombosis April 13, 2017 11:40 AM  

Seven comments and two weak sisters show up. I wish that was surprising.

The article Vox linked has been making the rounds since yesterday and it is a pretty incredible read. There is little to nothing directed at the U.S. Usually these missives would be filled to the brim with warnings to the United States. Instead it's a "Serious guys you're in big trouble" message to North Korea. China is talking like it's already a done deal that something is going to change in their relationship with Kim. I would have loved to hear what Trump said to Xi. I imagine it was blunt and no bullshit. Whatever it was, the Chinese absolutely believe it.

Say what you want about the Syria stuff, but North Korea is going to be a problem for the U.S. at some point down the road. They are working hard at getting a delivery system that can deliver a nuclear payload to Hawaii and the West Coast, and they'll get there eventually. One of Trump's campaign promises was to keep the country safe. Getting rid of the Nork nukes falls under this promise.

If Trump gets rid of this threat without using a single American soldier, he'll instantly go down as one of the best foreign policy presidents in history, maybe even the greatest. He'll get nothing from the media whores, but future historians will acknowledge his savvy.

Blogger Durandel Almiras April 13, 2017 11:40 AM  

Three shills in under 40 minutes. New record?

Blogger DJ | AMDG April 13, 2017 11:41 AM  

NK, other than talking a big game and using verbal insults against the US, has never done anything against us. Have they maybe armed other nations that have? Maybe. But so what? I'm pretty sure I recal VD arguing That the USA had no authority to deman Iran stop developing a nuke even when there was clear evidence Iran had attacked US interests in the region and more than funded and manned attacks outside the region.

Blogger Whisker biscuit April 13, 2017 11:41 AM  

Shut up. Going to your usual boogy names (virtue signaler, cuck, beta) doesn't change the fact we voted for one thing and are now getting another. You can dirty Sanchez Trump all day, but aggressive wars against countries who haven't done a damn thing to us is neocon.

Quit neocon signaling.

Trump is loosing his base---quickly. Enjoy the 4 years of the Trumpening.

Anonymous aegis-1080 April 13, 2017 11:42 AM  

Besides shills, the sad truth is, that a lot of the ground troops of the Alt-Right are former lolbertarians that still have that nerdish, autistic (but I repeat myself) black-and-white view of the world, where nuance doesn't enter the picture.

Look, most of the people defending Assad's goverment didn't even knew of the man until they saw some Based Assad memes on /pol/. Ending the NK's nuclear program and letting the Chinese pay for it is a massive win, specially since it comes with the Chinese buying lots of American coal.

And after everything, after the election, people still freak out when the fake news talk about dissent on Team Trump. The lack of any kind of long-term view is impressive.

Blogger Whisker biscuit April 13, 2017 11:43 AM  

Don't speak that truth here. You'll get gang-banged by the secret neocons.

Blogger Durandel Almiras April 13, 2017 11:44 AM  

Trump will be vindicated in the end. As Vox has been pointing out, a lot of evidence below the surface level points to Vox's theory that all of this was to give/encourage China to finally deal with NK. And yeah, I think Putin is in on it or has figured it out and is playing along.

And when NK gets dealt with, the entire world is going to have to reconsider Trump. When was the last time a leader pulled this kind of move on the world stage?

Anonymous RedSectorA April 13, 2017 11:44 AM  

You can be as isolationist as you want, but if some loon out there with nukes sees you as a target to puff up his swaggering erection to the home crowd, do you just ignore it?

It's like racial issues here at home. You can be a good little virtue signalling gamma who wuvs all the black culture and pretends to like rap, but that BLM guy still wants to kill you.

Blogger DJ | AMDG April 13, 2017 11:49 AM  

The argument "...but, but, but, they have nukes or might soon have them!" has never before been an acceptable argument here. Why is it now?

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 13, 2017 11:50 AM  

@24

Your being willfully stupid. We voted for him for the wall. The wall is still happening. I am also continually amazed at the selective memory of some of you folk whereby you think Trump promised to never use military force which he most certainly did not. I seem to recall him saying "I am gonna bomb the shit out of ISIS."

Also, you keep rambling about a war but there is no war with the Syrian government and the president himself has said there will be no regime change.

You want to live in a child like utopia where Trump, or any other president, won't have to use military force then by all means do so, but don't expect the rest of us to live in that delusion.

Anonymous Mathias April 13, 2017 11:50 AM  

@27,

Yea, I'm leaning towards that conclusion as well. I'm anti-war in the philosophical sense, with an exception for defensive wars that follow the Just War theory. I don't like the action in these places, but I would like to remind you that Trump didn't start shit in these places, he just inherited the mess, and has to play the cards he's dealt. Any attempt to extract us from these pits will necessarily involve some bloodshed by somebody, so I understand that the execution of this goal will not be a perfect thing. The way things are headed, he may just be able to work one of history's greatest trades: We get out of Russia and China's backyard, and allow them to fully become regional powers, creating a tripolar world, in exchange, they take on the cost burden of cleaning up the rotten mess we have made of those area's.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 13, 2017 11:51 AM  

@21

Perhaps there is nothing more illustrative of that change than China returning North Korean coal...and then ordering coal from the United States.

Anonymous BluePony April 13, 2017 11:52 AM  

"Shut up."

Yeah, no.

Sorry if the imperfection of reality is molesting your feelings. (I'm not sorry)

Personally, I voted for a firebomb dropped on D.C. Trump was actually not vulgar enough for my tastes, but you gotta drop the ordinance you have. If we can keep moving the window, maybe we can get a proper bastard in the White House in 2024.

Or a proper bitch. #anncoulter2024

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 13, 2017 11:52 AM  

Extreme isolationism is not the proper course for this country and will only allow existing problems to snowball completely out of control.

I was against nation building, but I sExtreme isolationism is not the proper course for this country and will only allow existing problems to snowball completely out of control.

I was against nation building, but I strongly approve of flexing our foreign muscle where it is in our national interest.trongly approve of flexing our foreign muscle where it is in our national interest.


Flexing our foreign muscle is a policy that has failed consistently since the 1950s.

Blogger horsewithnonick April 13, 2017 11:53 AM  

Un has demonstrated his willingness to employ literal WMDs in a political assassination outside his nation's borders, and is actively working on the ability to deliver nukes globally. You don't have to support gun confiscation to want to be rid of the nutcase who runs around terrorizing his neighbors.

Blogger Old Ez April 13, 2017 11:54 AM  

People focusing on the international effects of Trump's actions are missing the point. Hopefully, he will be able to use all of the supposed political clout he has accumulated from this Syria strike to accomplish everything he intend to in one term. Because he's not going to be reelected. Unless he makes a very public showing of removing the knife from his base's back. Again, this is not about chess strategy or international policy or how successful Trump is: it is about perception - the perception of his base that they have been stabbed in the back. No amount of reassuring mental acrobatics about Trump's 999D-trans-dimensional-hungry-hungry-hippos can assuage that. It doesn't matter how "successful" Trump's stab in the back was, unless he was planning on being a one-term president all along.

Blogger Durandel Almiras April 13, 2017 11:55 AM  

@29 - To quote Tropic Thunder, it's because NK went full retard, and you never go full retard.

Blogger DJ | AMDG April 13, 2017 11:56 AM  

Now that's funny.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 13, 2017 11:57 AM  

Of note:

This editorial appeared the day after trump said he wouldn't label China a currency manipulator.

Anonymous CarpeOro April 13, 2017 11:58 AM  

Makes me wonder how many people the Soros machine has assigned to "deal with" this site seeing the concern trolls coming out.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 13, 2017 11:59 AM  

@6. Theproductofafineeduction

Wilson, Woodrow Wilson, is that you?

Need Uber fare to the recruiting office?

Blogger Ingot9455 April 13, 2017 11:59 AM  

Rabid dogs eventually get put down. It's just a question of how and who.

Iran, for example, isn't rabid.

Anonymous Dack Thrombosis April 13, 2017 12:00 PM  

I recently read that we had nukes in South Korea until they were removed around 1992. Probably as a result of that "peace dividend" they were all crowing about when the USSR collapsed.

Within two years the North was developing a bomb and causing all sorts of crises.

Before that they resorted to acts of terrorism against the South, including kidnapping, blowing up an airliner, and actually staging a bloody assault on the South Korean leadership in Rangoon that nearly killed that country's president. There were also some incidents on the DMZ involving US troops.

After they took out the nukes, the Norks ramped up their bullshit. One of the reasons they changed the US currency is because North Korea embarked on a massive counterfeiting operation.

None of this means I want another nation building project overseen by our government. But to say North Korea is a regional problem that has nothing to do with us isn't true either.

Anonymous Mathias April 13, 2017 12:00 PM  

@36,

And who is it that is spreading that impression? Trump still has 3.75 years to fullfill his promises, and he is not a lair (in the sense we are talking about, he obviously uses lies as a tactical tool) until the end of his term comes and goals remain unfinished.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 13, 2017 12:00 PM  

Theproductofafineeduction

Wilson, Woodrow Wilson, is that you?

Need Uber fare to the recruiting office?


JaimeInTexas has a much longer comment history on this blog than McCains sock puppet.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 13, 2017 12:01 PM  

@16. Deadmau5 Patton

As to whether it is a good thing or not, depends on who are these "new" Trump backers, Hillary, Schiller, Barney, ...?

Anonymous David-093 April 13, 2017 12:01 PM  

North Korea has threatened all of its neighbors with nuclear weapons, a fact that has not been forgotten. The South Koreans and Japanese are agitated by the Norks. It doesn't take a genius to see that country as a regional problem and if China wants to do the heavy lifting with support from the US, that's fine with me.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 13, 2017 12:02 PM  

Trump still has 3.75 years to fullfill his promises, and he is not a lair (in the sense we are talking about, he obviously uses lies as a tactical tool) until the end of his term comes and goals remain unfinished.

He promised to do a great many things on his first day and within his first hundred days. Many of those have not been done yet.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 13, 2017 12:04 PM  

@40
This posting has been up for an hour and we have 4 different trolls pooping on it. Well, 4 different names, could all be the same poor sucker in a call center running off of a couple of different scripts.



Anonymous Mathias April 13, 2017 12:05 PM  

@48,

He promised to get started on those things, a reasonable person understands that political projects take time. And for the most part, he has started on those things, wall prototypes are going up, Mexicans are going out, and the Neocons are just a confused as we are. A pretty good start, if you ask me.

Anonymous Azimus April 13, 2017 12:05 PM  

I am hopeful that this will be an effective piece of gunboat diplomacy. I worry about the intoxicating nature of this form of diplomacy however. Maybe this is how people of the right perceived Reagan's Star Wars program? Invasion of Grenada?

Blogger Durandel Almiras April 13, 2017 12:06 PM  

@49 The trouble is sorting between Soros hirers and people with internet autism.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 13, 2017 12:06 PM  

I'm about as isolationist as you can get, short of thinking we should bring every soldier and every ship back within US borders and keep them there until enemies come knocking. But if we can get China to deal with the North Korean threat with our only involvement being a few ships in the region to provide political cover of some sort (which is what this is projecting), thus making it possible for the first time in my lifetime that we could bring home 30,000 men who have no business being over there in harm's way, that would be pretty amazing. It would be a victory of actual diplomacy over the kind of open-ended meddling that we've gotten used to.

Anonymous Clay April 13, 2017 12:07 PM  

Yuk, yuk. Do you think the Carrier Carl Vinson doesn't have nukes in their arsenal?

Blogger MrPaules April 13, 2017 12:09 PM  

I sincerely hope no one in the Trump administration is contemplating uniting the two Koreas by force. Regime change is fine by me, but unification is a generational process. I can remember the many complaints by West Germans about how their East German cousins had become socially and economically retarded by 50 years of communism.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 13, 2017 12:09 PM  

He promised to get started on those things, a reasonable person understands that political projects take time. And for the most part, he has started on those things, wall prototypes are going up, Mexicans are going out, and the Neocons are just a confused as we are. A pretty good start, if you ask me.

Here's the list:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-delivers-groundbreaking-contract-for-the-american-vote1

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 13, 2017 12:10 PM  

@54
Hard to tell. A lot of nuclear devices were removed from carriers over the last 25 years, partly because precision munitions got so much better.

What difference does it make?

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 13, 2017 12:13 PM  

China's buying coal from these uSA cannot possibly be due to Trump's killing TPP and trade related issues?

China can put up with whatever nut jobs rule N. Korea until it is in China's view a danger to China. China's 2nd prerrogative is in having N. Korea as a buffer with S. Korea.

Blogger Joe Shmoe April 13, 2017 12:15 PM  

Hi, troll! Did you get paid for this? Enjoy your check!

Blogger Old Ez April 13, 2017 12:15 PM  

@44 said "he is not a lair (in the sense we are talking about, he obviously uses lies as a tactical tool) until the end of his term comes and goals remain unfinished."

That's pretty convenient, isn't it? We can't criticize him on the basis of his dishonesty until it is too late to do anything about? Really convenient. If I just staged a coup in the Trump administration, that is definitely the concern troll narrative I would go with the keep a lid on his betrayed base.

Anonymous Mathias April 13, 2017 12:15 PM  

@56

What makes you think I give a single rat's ass about that? I never even visited the Campaign website. The issues which are important to me are the ones I have just mentioned, which were covered in the public debates. You don't really understand how politics works do you?

Blogger Old Ez April 13, 2017 12:16 PM  

@49 said "This posting has been up for an hour and we have 4 different trolls pooping on it. Well, 4 different names, could all be the same poor sucker in a call center running off of a couple of different scripts"

Am I one of your trolls?

Blogger Jamie-R April 13, 2017 12:16 PM  

A nuclear test & an ICBM on April 15 would be enough to get a response from Trump I think. Any falling into Japan's waters will definitely get a response. Then the crazy fat kid has to make a decision to raise his game more. Time to find out, we've been beating around the bush for 60 years.

Blogger Durandel Almiras April 13, 2017 12:16 PM  

@51 Azimus @53 Cail Corishev

Cail, absolutely agree with you.

Azimus, don't get too hung up on absolutes. Everything has its time an place. This is true of diplomacy and shows of force and yes, even war.

Anonymous Clay April 13, 2017 12:17 PM  

LOL, Deplorable. You believe that crap?

It would make a big diff, if dropped upon your head. Nuclear weapons have been "miniaturized", more pin-point" than massive clouds of destruction.

Blogger Michael Neal April 13, 2017 12:17 PM  

North Korea is a legit threat, that's not nation building its one of the few serious threats to our security.

Anonymous Sharrukin April 13, 2017 12:18 PM  

I read this article (and others) as China warning North Korea to not proceed with their scheduled nuclear test and that they want no part of the expected American strike that may follow. If North orea icludes China in the retaliatory strikes there will be hell to pay.

Not seeing China onboard an attack on North Korea themselves.

Not yet anyway.

Blogger Durandel Almiras April 13, 2017 12:19 PM  

@58 JaimeinTexas - does China even need a buffer zone with South Korea nowadays? I mean, back in Mao's time, all the commies trying to spread International Communism, I can get wanting a buffer zone from a capitalist pig country. But nowadays? I'd think China wants an advantageous trade agreement with S. Korea, not a buffer zone with a lose cannon idiot family.

Blogger Jack Aubrey April 13, 2017 12:19 PM  

Old Ez wrote:@49 said "This posting has been up for an hour and we have 4 different trolls pooping on it. Well, 4 different names, could all be the same poor sucker in a call center running off of a couple of different scripts"

Am I one of your trolls?


The important question is: do you self-identify as a troll?

Blogger Jamie-R April 13, 2017 12:20 PM  

The incentive for China is, you put whatever the hell leader in there you want, just not any of this crazy family anymore, rational actors that will answer to China directly, denuclearise, stick with border for Koreas, emerge slowly over next few decades until the Berlin Wall moment occurs.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 13, 2017 12:21 PM  

@65
LOL, Deplorable. You believe that crap?

Yeah, dude, I believe that crap. Because reasons.

It would make a big diff, if dropped upon your head.

That's stupid.

Blogger Durandel Almiras April 13, 2017 12:22 PM  

@69 Jack Aubrey
So if I self identify as a woman, I can use the public restroom with your daughter?

Yeah, no, a troll is a troll due to action, not self-identify aka play pretend time.

The important question is, was he acting the troll or not.

Anonymous Mathias April 13, 2017 12:22 PM  

@66,

They can be a threat, and we can still engage in nation-building after they are taken out. Remember, nation building is when we foolishly allow our armed forces to hang around a place after it's been blown up, actually blowing it up isn't really the "nation building" part that everyone complains about. If Trump has the army pull a Panda(Eats, Shoots, Leaves) then no nation building has occurred, regardless of war.

Blogger maniacprovost April 13, 2017 12:23 PM  

I sincerely hope no one in the Trump administration is contemplating uniting the two Koreas by force. Regime change is fine by me, but unification is a generational process.

We can put Jeff Immelt in charge of the merger. That kills two birds with one stone.

Blogger Lazarus April 13, 2017 12:23 PM  

The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a peace-loving state. When their Supreme Leader announced there would be a big event today, the war mongering Western media begin printing stories about how he was going to nuke somebody after evacuating Pyongyang, which terrified Frank Brady no end.

Instead, the people's beloved hero, Kim Jong-un, opened a new street with many new high rise buildings on it.

When will the lies cease?

Blogger DJ | AMDG April 13, 2017 12:24 PM  

This does seem to be the only result I'd be good with having taken his tactics, but will we leave SK? Additionally, why do we have to give Russia and China cover for anything? When have they ever before needed our cover to do what is in their perceived self interest?

And as for the troll insults and others hurled my way, say what you want. I don't care but just be aware of who I am. I've been posting here and previously at WND since 2001 or earlier. I've always interacted honestly and openly, using the same ID from the very beginning. It's true I don't comment often. I've always been a loyal supporter of VD, his work, and this blog.

My questions aren't rhetorical. I've been quietly trying to understand all this best I can but remain confused if also willing to be open to smarter minds than mine.

Blogger Durandel Almiras April 13, 2017 12:25 PM  

@73 We need to stop with the nation building scam. It's just an excuse to give government contracts to American corporations all on tax payer money.

Anonymous krymneth April 13, 2017 12:26 PM  

Hello, fellow caterpillars! As a core member of Trump's base, don't you think it's time we abandon Trump? Won't you abandon Trump? Please, deal God almighty, won't you please abandon Trump? I'm begging you! I'm on my knees, please, please, just believe that Trump's base is angry because I am saying that that is the case! Just eat this propaganda! Eat it! Do it!

More seriously, all the cards seem to be lining up in a way that suggests that either the US will literally do nothing other than posture really, really hard, which is basically free because all our assets being used for that have to have their upkeep paid anyhow, or used to directly support an ally during a relatively brief window where North Korea will be capable of posing a threat. Nothing about the way this is lining up to me suggests that the US is going to get entangled here for any length of time, because neither South Korea nor China are going to want us there, nor do we particularly care to be there.

So yes, "fellow caterpillars", shill hard while you can, because if Trump does manage to neuter North Korea in his first half of his first year in office, and also to do so in a way that strengthens both our ties and our influences in Asia rather than weakening them, you're really going to have an uphill battle. I mean, metaphorically. You'll still be getting paid. Probably.

Blogger Michael Neal April 13, 2017 12:26 PM  

The NK will announce they have finally discovered electricity

Blogger Jack Vibe April 13, 2017 12:27 PM  

China has moved troops to the N. Korean border to deal with refugees. They're expecting something to kick off and soon. Looks like we might know as early as the 15th if the fat kid wants to honor his grandfather.

Anonymous Mathias April 13, 2017 12:27 PM  

@77,

Truly, it is a scam, and a jewish one at that. Only they would corrupt the idea of the spoils of war into the Victor paying the Loser for losing.

Blogger Durandel Almiras April 13, 2017 12:28 PM  

@76 - I don't think we'll ever leave SK until NK is gone, either having been subsumed into SK or by China. It also gives the US an excuse to have military assets so close to the border of China. Even if a tripartite rule of the world develops, and the 3 are not inclined towards war with one another, each will want to have military positions near the borders of the other two nations.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 13, 2017 12:29 PM  

@41

No thanks, but I'd be much obliged if you cleaned up your pile of cuckold magazines from the front lawn.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 13, 2017 12:29 PM  

Has anyone read anything out of Japan? I'm not seeing much beyond very pro-forma "tut tut" statements. The Norks have missiles capable of reaching all of Japan, and the last nuclear test was probably more powerful than the Fat Man we dropped on Hiroshima. That's got to be an attention getter.

Japan could go nuclear in a rather short period of time, and their stuff would work. China doesn't want a nuclear armed JSDF. Perhaps back channel pressure from Japan has tipped both the US and China into a different state of mind.

Anonymous VFM #7916 April 13, 2017 12:31 PM  

I see the following:

Trump promised to deal with NK. He is doing so, and China's sudden co-operation with the US is pretty damn remarkable compared to the last 17 years or so.

Trump promised to deal with ISIS. This will require combat forces in Syria.

The Syria strikes are rope. I was not pleased when he ordered them, since it was (and is) obvious that the chemical attack story was a false flag. There's a zerohedge story now about a US airstrike that may have hit an ISIS chemical weapon storage dump. That combined with the Russian demand for UN investigation will expose that ISIS has chemical weapons, manipulates media, and has conducted this as a false flag with the co-operation of US intelligence.

That last bit is the rope. I think Trump will use it to hang them, hang the media, and break the intelligence community that opposes him. I think Russia knows this, and will play their part.

All of what Trump has promised will occur; it's not going to occur quickly. The error on the Alt-Right is impatience. It still shows that they have not learned the lessons of GamerGate; you have to play a long game, and have the patience for a long game.

Blogger Jack Vibe April 13, 2017 12:35 PM  

Japan is sending their Navy(SDF) to team up with U.S. Navy in the area.

http://nypost.com/2017/04/12/japan-us-navy-team-up-for-joint-show-of-force-toward-north-korea/

Blogger S1AL April 13, 2017 12:38 PM  

The sheer amount of sperging in this thread is fascinating. Apparently you guys don't understand the concept of "seriously, but not literally". I look forward to the ritual ceremonies in which you cut off your hands and pluck out your eyes.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 13, 2017 12:38 PM  

@58

I think it far more likely that when Xi and Trump sat down Trump asked Xi how much they were paying North Korea and that he was willing to undercut them.

Blogger Michael Neal April 13, 2017 12:41 PM  

The "everything is a Jewish conspiracy" is also getting a bit old. I suspect most of it comes from paid trolls trying to discredit the alt-right.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 13, 2017 12:43 PM  

YOU ARE NOT TRUMP'S BASE.

WE ARE NOT TRUMP'S BASE.

Trump's base is ordinary politically uninvolved working-class whites; mechanics, millworkers, janitors, people who see their 30-year-old college educated sons who could only find work at Home Depot and McDonalds get pushed aside for Somalis and Arabs, people who don't have grandchildren because their daughters can't afford to take the time off from work, middle-aged IT guys who got laid off so their job could go to an incompetent H1b immigrant. They outnumber you by hundreds to one.

They just want the immigration bullshit to stop, and for America to be great again. If that involves killing a few Arabs or Koreans, well, meh, it's too bad really, but whatta you gonna do? Goddamn crazy bastards.
Politically, you, and we, amount to a pimple on the ass end of a camel.

Anonymous p-dawg April 13, 2017 12:43 PM  

"Trump is also willing to be regarded as a man who honors his promises."

Wow, that's a good backhanded compliment. He couldn't actually BE one, of course. He's just willing to let others believe he is... I gotta hand it to the guy, that's good rhetoric.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 13, 2017 12:44 PM  

@76

This does seem to be the only result I'd be good with having taken his tactics, but will we leave SK? Additionally, why do we have to give Russia and China cover for anything? When have they ever before needed our cover to do what is in their perceived self interest?


Because, if what we think is happening is in fact happening, China and Russia realize it's in their interest to make things easier for a president of the worlds foremost super power who doesn't want war with them but has to contend with a deep state that does.

There has been a lot of discussion about how the US is not in the condition to fight real adversaries like Russia or China but that doesn't mean it won't be a bloody mess for them. I mean it is in no nations interest to try and fight a war with a major power that could easily escalate into WWIII.

Anonymous Mathias April 13, 2017 12:46 PM  

@89,

Hmm? It's not a conspiracy when it's done out in the open, at that point it's just open and notorious criminality.

The "Jews are pure an innocent with no agency and no interests bit." is getting really damn old. I suspect most of it comes from paid Hasbara trying to further jewish interests at the expense of everyone around them, as is typical.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 13, 2017 12:48 PM  

The "Jews are pure an innocent with no agency and no interests bit." is getting really damn old. I suspect most of it comes from paid Hasbara trying to further jewish interests at the expense of everyone around them, as is typical.

(((Mathias)))

Anonymous Silly but True April 13, 2017 12:51 PM  

Trump just MOAB'ed ISIS. Apparently the firs time it's been used in combat.

Blogger Gaiseric April 13, 2017 12:51 PM  

It's kinda funny how the natural sorting process that means that commentators on a blog about social and political issues will tend to agree with most of the content on the blog, or they would have wandered away to some other blog more to their own ideological preference, is a complete mystery to trolls, spergs and idiots who always wail about groupthink and cult of personality and crap like that.

Truly, we live in an age where functional, healthy human psychology is at a low point. Sperging, rabbitry and Secret King Syndrome, on the other hand, are rampant.

Anonymous Mathias April 13, 2017 12:53 PM  

@94

Nope, the resident jew around here is SteelPalm, and he is going to have an absolute field day with you for insinuating that I am jewish. SteelPalm, I know we don't like each other, but I think we can agree that this guy is even more full of it than I am.

Blogger DJ | AMDG April 13, 2017 12:53 PM  

That would mean DJT is a far better diplomat than even his supporters give him credit for. I could believe that.

Blogger Chiva April 13, 2017 12:55 PM  

Trump just MOAB'ed ISIS. Apparently the firs time it's been used in combat.

Good.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 13, 2017 12:56 PM  

Nope, the resident jew around here is SteelPalm

You must be new here.

There are multiple resident jews.

Blogger bob kek mando ( i'd like to be John Scalzi, sir Procrustes. can you de-nut me? or, you know, you could just cut me off at the waist and then i'd also be a half-man, just like my an hero ) April 13, 2017 12:57 PM  

2. garrulus April 13, 2017 11:17 AM
He broke most promises to his base,



the God Emperor campaigned on fixing ISIS and North Korea.

you and Whisker Biscuit aren't simply lying, you're telling incredibly stupid lies.

Anonymous Mathias April 13, 2017 12:58 PM  

@100

No shit, but he is the most prominent and active of the bunch most of the time. But as long as you brought up that point, ask any of them, they will all tell you the same: I am no friend of the Jews.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 13, 2017 12:58 PM  

@97 Mathias
Nope, the resident jew around here is SteelPalm,

Not even close, are you another of those "long time readers" that just showed up?

Blogger bob kek mando ( i'd like to be John Scalzi, sir Procrustes. can you de-nut me? or, you know, you could just cut me off at the waist and then i'd also be a half-man, just like my an hero ) April 13, 2017 12:58 PM  

97. Mathias April 13, 2017 12:53 PM
Nope, the resident jew around here is SteelPalm



ITT, i learned that RabbiB is not a Jew.

Blogger Shimshon April 13, 2017 12:59 PM  

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump threw in a genuine quid pro quo as part of the deal. Take down the lunatic, and we'll dismantle the THAAD station. There's gotta be a carrot to go with the stick.

North Korea is only a theoretical threat to the US right now, but a genuine threat to China. Since China already cut all coal imports, it has likely ended up on Kim Jong-un's shit list.

Blogger tublecane April 13, 2017 1:01 PM  

@5-I have no idea what Trump is playing at, what's on purpose and what's not. But there is such a thing as intervening in behalf of non-intervention, if you will. And I'm not talking about appeasing the War Party so they'll leave him alone.

Some places, like Syria, we can take or leave. North Korea has since WWII been what I've heard called a "tripwire" of U.S. empire. That is, anything happens there, and it more or less automatically gets a response back here, up to and including war. That response will be different based on who's president, the national mood, etc. But it's not so prone to happenstance as, say, events in Timbuktu. It's a constant, looming presence in the empire's mind.

How does one rid the empire of such tripwires? Well, you could just ignore it, even when it's tripped. The MSM would raise bloody hell, but they're basically on Bloody Hell Alert for the duration of Trump's term.

Another way would be to make North Korea disappear. A beautiful dream, that. How would that happen? I'm not saying it's likely or even possible, but you could get there by intervening and moving chess pieces across the globe. It will probably be necessary to play imperial games if we're ever to rid ourselves of empire.

Anonymous Mathias April 13, 2017 1:02 PM  

@104,

RabbiB Doesn't antagonize me, so I wouldn't consider him terribly prominent. SteelPalm does, so by perspective, he seems more relevant. Futhermore, I see SteelPam's posts more often then RabbiB's but this may be due to selection bias in the thread topics I prefer.

Blogger IrishFarmer April 13, 2017 1:02 PM  

False.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 13, 2017 1:03 PM  

MOAB dropped on cave / tunnel complex in Afghanistan.

Bomb damage assessment to follow. This is the first field test of the GBU 43/B, an air blast bomb. Pretty sure other countries will take notice.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 13, 2017 1:04 PM  

MathiasApril 13, 2017 12:58 PM
@100

No shit, but he is the most prominent and active of the bunch most of the time.


ShimshonApril 13, 2017 12:59 PM

You were saying?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 13, 2017 1:05 PM  

ITT, i learned that RabbiB is not a Jew.

(((Mathias))) is literally Hitler for unpersoning a Jew.

#neverfotget

Blogger Michael Neal April 13, 2017 1:06 PM  

I'm not arguing that Jewish people are never responsible for things it's just an overused accusation for everything that happens. Trump makes a decision to launch some missiles and the all of the sudden the Jews have taken over the world.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 13, 2017 1:07 PM  

Not even close, are you another of those "long time readers" that just showed up?

Greetings fellow alt right trump supporters! Maga amrite?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 13, 2017 1:08 PM  

Not even close, are you another of those "long time readers" that just showed up?

Greetings fellow alt right trump supporters! Maga amrite?

Blogger S1AL April 13, 2017 1:09 PM  

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Anonymous Mathias April 13, 2017 1:09 PM  

@109,

This is actually interesting from a military scholar standpoint, I am eager to find out what the real-life damage reports on this weapon type are like. Historically ordinance has a bark worse than it's bite (especially pre-ww1) and a big goal of military engineers has been to improve this situation. this is supposed to be a next-gen concept, with an AoE that actually reflective with what is printed on the manufacturer label.

Dropping one on an enclosed space seems especially nasty, since I believe/hear that there is a massive implosion effect involved that can suck all the air right out of an area, leaving a vacuum that can last many seconds.

Blogger S1AL April 13, 2017 1:10 PM  

Forget it, Josh. He's operating on the "things that annoy me personally are the most super importantest things of all time" scale. Can't fix stupid.

Blogger Gaiseric April 13, 2017 1:11 PM  

Have you ever tried NOT being the gayest thing here?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 13, 2017 1:12 PM  

Forget it, Josh. He's operating on the "things that annoy me personally are the most super importantest things of all time" scale. Can't fix stupid.

Eternal solipsism of the midwit mind.

Blogger bob kek mando ( i'd like to be John Scalzi, sir Procrustes. can you de-nut me? or, you know, you could just cut me off at the waist and then i'd also be a half-man, just like my an hero ) April 13, 2017 1:13 PM  

102. Mathias April 13, 2017 12:58 PM
No shit, but he is the most prominent and active of the bunch most of the time



Moving the Goalposts.

appending 'the' to a noun specifies a SINGULAR entity.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/the?s=t
1. (used, especially before a noun, with a specifying or particularizing effect, as opposed to the indefinite or generalizing force of the indefinite article a or an):


we have many Jews who comment here. probably because Jews have a higher average IQ than average and, thus, are too intelligent to be interested by Johnny Con's blog.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar April 13, 2017 1:15 PM  

@95

Another demonstration, no doubt. Seriously- I think the fat kid is paying attention and takes it as a personal threat. Now let's see how froggy he is.

Blogger Chris Mallory April 13, 2017 1:18 PM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) wrote:

Flexing our foreign muscle is a policy that has failed consistently since the 1950s.


It goes back to at least the 1890's. The Spanish American War put us hip deep in the Pacific which lead to FDR's meddling with Japan in the 1930's. Wilson's muscle flexing in WWI was one of history's worst blunders.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar April 13, 2017 1:22 PM  

All the way back to the shoes of Tripoli.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar April 13, 2017 1:23 PM  

LOL. Shores.

Blogger bob kek mando ( i'd like to be John Scalzi, sir Procrustes. can you de-nut me? or, you know, you could just cut me off at the waist and then i'd also be a half-man, just like my an hero ) April 13, 2017 1:25 PM  

107. Mathias April 13, 2017 1:02 PM
RabbiB Doesn't antagonize me, so I wouldn't consider him terribly prominent.



you are one retarded motherfucking retard.

how much any one poster "antagonizes" you doesn't have a goddamn thing to do with their prominence on the board.

Anonymous Mathias April 13, 2017 1:25 PM  

@120,

Or maybe I misused an article? Grammar was never my strong point. But I do have to say, this is wonderful attempt at parlaying a simple error into the idea that I believed there was only one jew around here. Because I have never made comments critical them before, and they have never responded to me. Right. Seriously, look at my posts, I'm not terribly concerned with getting spelling or grammar exactly right, I don't care to be an author, and a set of passing comments on a blog don't really justify writing multiple drafts.

Also, I'm not really Inclined to drag RabbiB into this, he seems to be a calm and level-headed guy and I always enjoy his comments when I can find them.

Anyone know a resonable ETA for the US fleet hitting the South China Sea? I'm wondering if they will make it in time for the 15th.

Blogger bob kek mando ( i'd like to be John Scalzi, sir Procrustes. can you de-nut me? or, you know, you could just cut me off at the waist and then i'd also be a half-man, just like my an hero ) April 13, 2017 1:27 PM  

126. Mathias April 13, 2017 1:25 PM
Or maybe I misused an article? Grammar was never my strong point.



there are a LOT of things that aren't your strong point.

Blogger Michael Neal April 13, 2017 1:29 PM  

The Rules Of Trump Club
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/04/13/the-rules-of-trump-club/

Blogger Ken Prescott April 13, 2017 1:31 PM  

They don't. Bush 41 ordered them removed from Navy surface ships and aircraft carriers in 1991. And today's Navy culture, outside of the SSBN community, doesn't have the technical and moral discipline needed to adhere to nuclear weapons handling and Personnel Reliability Program requirements.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 13, 2017 1:32 PM  

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/11/sjws-stalking-stem-figure.html?showComment=1446825901994&m=1#c6419689812404081192

MathiasNovember 06, 2015 11:05 AM
Rabbi B:

Ah, a high compliment indeed then. If you wish to hear more from me, I will be more than happy to oblige, although I think 4 large blocks of text is enough for a day on a single blog.


Blogger Some Guy April 13, 2017 1:32 PM  

@128

That is a very good write-up by heartiste. Almost perfectly captures what his actual supporters need to be doing.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar April 13, 2017 1:34 PM  

In other news, Rand Paul has joined John McCain in pulling their support for funding the wall.

Congress is the problem. I don't anticipate any meaningful legislation until GE has the mandate to grab them by the balls and squeeze it out of them.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 13, 2017 1:34 PM  

Attack dog bob k mando is the best bob k mando

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 13, 2017 1:36 PM  

In other news, Rand Paul has joined John McCain in pulling their support for funding the wall.

Link?

Anonymous Mathias April 13, 2017 1:36 PM  

@130,

I am nothing if not generous, you keep asking for me, I keep giving. You get paid by the response, right? ;)

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar April 13, 2017 1:39 PM  

http://thehill.com/latino/327916-dems-winning-fight-over-wall

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 13, 2017 1:41 PM  

http://thehill.com/latino/327916-dems-winning-fight-over-wall

Did you read the article? Rand Paul isn't mentioned.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 13, 2017 1:42 PM  

Also, I'm not really Inclined to drag RabbiB into this, he seems to be a calm and level-headed guy and I always enjoy his comments when I can find them.

But as long as you brought up that point, ask any of them, they will all tell you the same: I am no friend of the Jews.

You ain't got no chili

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar April 13, 2017 1:45 PM  

Sorry. Mixed up Rand Paul with Paul Ryan.

Apologies to Rand- but my point still stands. Congress.

Anonymous Grayman April 13, 2017 1:48 PM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) wrote:Trump still has 3.75 years to fullfill his promises, and he is not a lair (in the sense we are talking about, he obviously uses lies as a tactical tool) until the end of his term comes and goals remain unfinished.

He promised to do a great many things on his first day and within his first hundred days. Many of those have not been done yet.



SO WHAT.

Trump can fail at everything and it changes nothing! It is not about Trump or any one person. It is about rejection of the empire of globalist relativism. The empire of the west was co-opted, converged, as we became weak from the excesses the bounty of our empire provided. This is about those westerners who’s spirits are still strong saying “enough” and standing up.

Our task is to recognize the value of the culture and society built by our forefathers and to hold it up proudly as we pass it to our children. There will be purges on all sides there will be chaos. Trump has the opportunity to ameliorate some degree of the chaos that is coming, to invigorate those who still have the spirit to stand on their own two feet. But he is not a “savior” and should not be thought of as such. That is simply trading one set of chains for another.

As such, Trump failures, Trump intrigues, dead Syrian babies…. SO WHAT.

Little girls in Sweden torn in half by immigrant terrorists. That matters. That is the heritage of the west being torn apart, our future being ripped in half and should be responded to in the most harsh of manners.
Teenage American girls being gang raped by illegal immigrants matters. That is the heritage of the west being torn apart, our future being ripped in half and should be responded to in the most harsh of manners.

Anonymous Mathias April 13, 2017 1:48 PM  

@138,

I don't need to be someone's friend to enjoy their writings. I'm not Vox's friend, I'm just part of his readership, and I visit this blog daily. Whatever his personal feelings towards me are, he's a smart guy and he writes good stuff.

Same with RabbiB, but he knows my opinion of his people, and I reasonably expect him to be at least somewhat antagonistic towards me for it. This is only natural after all, he is a living being, created by God, imbued with the will to survive and multiply, just a like all other living beings.

So yes, I can hold his writings in high regard while he simultaneously dislikes me. For someone who seems terribly focused on their intellect, you don't seem to be able to reason this stuff out.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 13, 2017 1:50 PM  

Ken Prescott wrote:They don't. Bush 41 ordered them removed from Navy surface ships and aircraft carriers in 1991. And today's Navy culture, outside of the SSBN community, doesn't have the technical and moral discipline needed to adhere to nuclear weapons handling and Personnel Reliability Program requirements.
Now that's odd, as my son served aboard the Vinson during Gulf War II. He has a great story about a television producer demanding to film under a tarped pallet on the deck, and a Lt JG lifting the tarp for him, and how they both got worked over by SEALs, and the Lt got to go to an event called "Captain's Mast". Must have been a party or something.
Not to forget the ordnance rooms that are protected by at least two armed guards 24 hours per day. And why you almost never see a CVN parked in New Zealand.

But I'm sure you know better. That Bush, whatta bad guy, amiright?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 13, 2017 1:51 PM  

I would like to retract my (((mathias))) hypothesis. Jews have much higher verbal ability than he has demonstrated.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 13, 2017 2:00 PM  

Sorry. Mixed up Rand Paul with Paul Ryan.

That's understandable, since they're so much alike, right Josh?

But seriously, we knew the GOPe would fight him on immigration. If President Trump hadn't won, Hillary might be signing the Rubio-McCain Comprehensive Immigration (But Totally Not Amnesty, We Promise) Act by now. They're not going to give up on their open borders ideology without a fight. And right now probably seems like a good opportunity to challenge the president on it, while he might be distracted with foreign policy or might want their cooperation on things like that.

Anonymous Mathias April 13, 2017 2:00 PM  

@140

I agree entirely, the messed up priorities of the European governments in relation to their peoples are the biggest crisis facing them today. But something will break soon I think, I'm just hoping it's an electoral break, and that Trump is operating for the cause of Western Civ in the long term while such an event happens.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 13, 2017 2:06 PM  

That's understandable, since they're so much alike, right Josh?

WELL ACTUALLY only one tried to pass Obamacare lite...

Anonymous Grayman April 13, 2017 2:08 PM  

Mathias wrote:@109,

This is actually interesting from a military scholar standpoint, I am eager to find out what the real-life damage reports on this weapon type are like. Historically ordinance has a bark worse than it's bite (especially pre-ww1) and a big goal of military engineers has been to improve this situation. this is supposed to be a next-gen concept, with an AoE that actually reflective with what is printed on the manufacturer label.

Dropping one on an enclosed space seems especially nasty, since I believe/hear that there is a massive implosion effect involved that can suck all the air right out of an area, leaving a vacuum that can last many seconds.


This may be biggest we have used but we have been using “fuel-air” (thermobaric) toys for the last few years.

http://newatlas.com/go/4856/

Anonymous Mathias April 13, 2017 2:16 PM  

@147,

Oh, I know, but the effect is greatly amplified by rock tunnels, I'm interested in it's performance on surface targets, where conditions are less optimal. I'm also interested in seeing if smaller/microthermobarics are practicable in the engineering sense.

Anonymous Grayman April 13, 2017 2:22 PM  

Mathias,

For your reading pleasure:

Blast Injuries

Blast explosives kill or injure in three ways: with the blast wave; with flying debris or by collapsing buildings; and by the blast wind throwing bodies against the ground, equipment, structures, and other stationary objects.

According to a 1993 study by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency:

The [blast] kill mechanism against living targets is unique--and unpleasant.... What kills is the pressure wave, and more importantly, the subsequent rarefaction [vacuum], which ruptures the lungs.… If the fuel deflagrates but does not detonate, victims will be severely burned and will probably also inhale the burning fuel. Since the most common FAE fuels, ethylene oxide and propylene oxide, are highly toxic, undetonated FAE should prove as lethal to personnel caught within the cloud as most chemical agents.(8)

According to a separate U.S. Central Intelligence Agency study, "the effect of an FAE explosion within confined spaces is immense. Those near the ignition point are obliterated. Those at the fringe are likely to suffer many internal, and thus invisible injuries, including burst eardrums and crushed inner ear organs, severe concussions, ruptured lungs and internal organs, and possibly blindness."(9) Another Defense Intelligence Agency document speculates that because the "shock and pressure waves cause minimal damage to brain tissue…it is possible that victims of FAEs are not rendered unconscious by the blast, but instead suffer for several seconds or minutes while they suffocate


http://pantheon.hrw.org/legacy/press/2000/02/chech0215b.htm

The newer ones have been using nano particle metal powders. They burn faster and hotter... bigger boom.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar April 13, 2017 2:23 PM  

GE: What's the biggest GD bomb we have in our inventory without going nuke?

Mad Dog: That would be the MOAB sir.

GE: Do we have any reasonable scenarios currently where we might get away with using it?

Mad Dog: Well...we do have some holdouts in Afghanistan. Up in the mountains. Outlaw territory.

GE: I hereby authorize you to proceed with an operation to oust these outlaws.

GE: What is the deepest penetrating ordnance we have?

Anonymous Mathias April 13, 2017 2:25 PM  

@149,

Thank you sir, this excerpt was quite enlightening, and has confirmed much of what I have heard about these weapons is not simply rumor. I have found pleasure in reading it.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor April 13, 2017 2:28 PM  

Russia has one 4x the yield of the MOAB.

Anonymous One Deplorable DT April 13, 2017 2:28 PM  

It's looking more and more like Syria was 4D orbital chess. A hat tip to Vox for recognizing this while the some of us (myself included) were losing it thinking Trump had turned into Hillary.

Anonymous Mathias April 13, 2017 2:31 PM  

@153,

The first real bombardment you experience is always the hardest. It gets easier to ignore with experience. As far as the media goes, remember: "Hillary has a 95% projected chance to win."

Anytime they open their lips, remember those words. That's how I keep my cool.

Anonymous Silly but True April 13, 2017 2:32 PM  

"Greetings fellow alt right trump supporters! Maga amrite?"

I like to call them "Mike Concernovich."

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 13, 2017 2:40 PM  

I like to call them "Mike Concernovich."

Too try hard

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 13, 2017 2:40 PM  

OT
Shia LaBeouf hiding in a cabin in Lapland still getting trolled. Whatever Ylalauta is, if it's really a Finnish version of 4chan, I like it.

He can run. He can't hide.

Blogger tz April 13, 2017 2:42 PM  

It wasn't so much the tomahawk missiles but the followup insistence on "Regime Change".
It is more than rhyming with Iraq and Hussein.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar April 13, 2017 2:45 PM  

@152
Yes. But how many platforms do they have which are capable of delivering this beast?

The MOAB was designed to be dropped from a C-130. Imagine the shock and awe of a few squadrons of those babies.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 13, 2017 2:54 PM  

Shia LaBeouf hiding in a cabin in Lapland still getting trolled.

The Millennial pussy can't even get being alone right. When you go off to get away from it all for a month, you don't take along text-messaging and live-streaming equipment, and you damn sure don't announce that you are. Just more attention-seeking.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable April 13, 2017 2:54 PM  

WELL ACTUALLY only one tried to pass Obamacare lite...

See, Josh, you keep saying blatantly factual things like that and you won't qualify as the gayest thing here anymore. Then where would we be?

Anonymous Grayman April 13, 2017 3:01 PM  

Cluebat Vanexodar wrote:@152

Yes. But how many platforms do they have which are capable of delivering this beast?

The MOAB was designed to be dropped from a C-130. Imagine the shock and awe of a few squadrons of those babies.



A C-5 Galaxy has a payload capacity of about 6X the C-130. A flight of C-5's with those could be fun :)

Blogger Dire Badger April 13, 2017 3:03 PM  

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Blogger GAHCindy April 13, 2017 3:06 PM  

garrulus wrote:He broke most promises to his base, who have abandoned him mostly. It will be hard for Trump to fix this

Good grief, give the man some time to work. It's not like he had a nice, blank slate to work with. The world doesn't reset every time a president is sworn in. He has to deal with what's out there already. I don't love the whole Syria thing, but that small bombing seems to be furthering the broader goal of protecting American interests elsewhere. I think trump knows what he's doing. Insisting on perfection would harm the good here.

Blogger Dire Badger April 13, 2017 3:06 PM  

Trump has officially Truly Earned the title of 'God emperor' after dropping the Hammer of God itself on ISIS.

It looks like a freaking meteor strike.

Anonymous Grayman April 13, 2017 3:07 PM  

garrulus wrote:
He broke most promises to his base, who have abandoned him mostly. It will be hard for Trump to fix this


SO WHAT

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 13, 2017 3:09 PM  

5343 Kinds of Deplorable wrote:See, Josh, you keep saying blatantly factual things like that and you won't qualify as the gayest thing here anymore. Then where would we be?
We'll always have Steve.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 13, 2017 3:09 PM  

5343 Kinds of Deplorable wrote:See, Josh, you keep saying blatantly factual things like that and you won't qualify as the gayest thing here anymore. Then where would we be?
And it looks like Javier is trying to come up from behind....

Anonymous Mathias April 13, 2017 3:09 PM  

@164,

The perfect is the mortal enemy of the good enough, and good enough all to often dies at it's hands.

Blogger Basil Makedon April 13, 2017 3:11 PM  

I don't see any good options w/r/t North Korea. Leveraging China to engage in regime change seems to be the least bad option.

In response, however, if I were the Norks, I'd push a couple million unwanted mouths across the Yalu river as a threat. Keep pushing and I'll send a few million more. This strategy seems to work for Turkey, after all.

We should absolutely avoid being dragged into Syria. We have no strategic or economic reason to be there.

Blogger Dire Badger April 13, 2017 3:12 PM  

A military friend is claiming that some wit chalked '9/11- better late than never' on the side of the MOAB before it was dropped.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 13, 2017 3:16 PM  

@87 S1AL

I look forward to the ritual ceremonies in which you cut off your hands and pluck out your eyes.
---

I want to watch if they do it in that exact order.

Anonymous Grayman April 13, 2017 3:19 PM  

Basil Makedon wrote:I don't see any good options w/r/t North Korea. Leveraging China to engage in regime change seems to be the least bad option.

In response, however, if I were the Norks, I'd push a couple million unwanted mouths across the Yalu river as a threat. Keep pushing and I'll send a few million more. This strategy seems to work for Turkey, after all.

We should absolutely avoid being dragged into Syria. We have no strategic or economic reason to be there.


That game doesnt work when invaders are shot crossing the border.

Blogger Robert Divinity April 13, 2017 3:22 PM  

China's messaging/troop movements toward the Korean border coupled with Trump's use of a MOAB today applies tremendous psychological pressure on Kim's generals. The North Korean military brass now knows what is expected of them, and the options of asylum in China or surviving underground are off the table.

The aftermath of toppling Kim is a bigger problem than most observers appreciate. Three generations have been taught the Kims are gods, and the pacification will be much more difficult than was the case in Japan. The Chinese and their North Korean puppets can use the necessary tactics to put down civilian/government remnant resistance.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 13, 2017 3:23 PM  

@102 Mathias

they will all tell you the same: I am no friend of the Jews.
---

It's ok Mathias - you can LARP as a jew if you wish

Anonymous BbigGayKoranBurner April 13, 2017 3:26 PM  

Josh, you keep saying blatantly factual things like that and you won't qualify as the gayest thing here anymore. Then

The only things I have ever lied about was exaggerating Latrina's crackbabies over the number 21, and saying I was washing my hair when the first moslem niglet US judge was found floating down the river ;)

Bugger King ad tries to trick voice activation devices
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/business/burger-king-tv-ad-google-home.html?_r=0

ITT, i learned that RabbiB is not a Jew.

To be fair Isreal would rather have the bacon eating GRINDR rabbi move there than him, gay jews fear Bibi more than they do moslem beheaders.

Blogger Billy Ray April 13, 2017 3:35 PM  

so they way to end the NK situation is to bomb innocent women and children in Syria- got it

Blogger tz April 13, 2017 3:36 PM  

All will be forgiven if on day 100 Trump shuts the government (those parts he doesn't like) down when the debt ceiling expires.

Blogger Billy Ray April 13, 2017 3:37 PM  

so trump the cuck is now supporting regime change in Syria AND NK is that it--- thought he was going to put America first and stop meddling overseas? guess not

Blogger Billy Ray April 13, 2017 3:39 PM  

so bush I , clinton, Bush II obama were neocon cucks for bombing around the world and supporting regime change and that was reason number 1 for opposing Hillary, but now trump is meddling overseas, bombing everyone and supporting regime change like the neocon cucks, but he's the god-emporer? wait what? nice hypocritical double standard

Anonymous BluePony April 13, 2017 3:46 PM  

"He promised to do a great many things on his first day and within his first hundred days. Many of those have not been done yet."

Well, hell, why are you not in the running to take Bannon's job? Get thee to D.C. and show Trump how it's done! ;)

I assume you have a mind control ray to make Cuckgre- *cough* Congress jump through the needed hoops?

Blogger idprism April 13, 2017 3:49 PM  

that feel when the God-Emperor surprises the high iq strategists et al. who read this blog. i was initially disappointed, but the ROI on the tomahawks and this WWE posturing with putin... im flabbergasted.

in other news, based on the VP comments section & Cerno's periscope stream watchers, the resource injection into cointelpro and shilling is still going strong. and they were almost gone for a while... it was getting nice.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 13, 2017 3:57 PM  

Your statements are so ridiculously wrong and lazy that all I can do is either question your intelligence or sincerity. Trump has already publicly said no regime change in Syria. Bombing one country is not bombing every one. Now go back to buzzfeed or tumbler.

Anonymous Mathias April 13, 2017 3:58 PM  

@182,

You shouldn't be, my foray into politics has taught me that international relations has far more in common with a WWF era plotline then anyone would like to admit. Honestly, I called this entire thing as Montreal Screwjob Redux yesterday.

Blogger Student in Blue April 13, 2017 4:09 PM  

@170. Basil Makedon
In response, however, if I were the Norks, I'd push a couple million unwanted mouths across the Yalu river as a threat. Keep pushing and I'll send a few million more. This strategy seems to work for Turkey, after all.

Probably wouldn't be that effective. China has a relatively recent history of being completely willing to let millions starve, after all.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 13, 2017 4:13 PM  

when the first moslem niglet US judge was found floating down the river ;)

Hmm... now that's interesting.

http://www.newser.com/story/241222/first-female-muslim-us-judge-found-dead-in-hudson-river.html

Two options:
1) TNB,
2) Patriotic vigilantism.

Bets, anyone?

Anonymous Mathias April 13, 2017 4:14 PM  

@186

whynotboth.jpg?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 13, 2017 4:16 PM  

I assume you have a mind control ray to make Cuckgre- *cough* Congress jump through the needed hoops?

Lame excuse

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor April 13, 2017 4:16 PM  

@186 #1

Anonymous Looking Glass April 13, 2017 4:28 PM  

North Korea has a Missile Sub and now a Nuclear-capable delivery platform. That's what has been driving this. It took a little digging to figure that one out, but that's the issue. It's not Nuclear, so it's unlikely to be able to reach even Hawaii, but Alaska is close enough.

It puts a Nuclear-platform controlled by NK off the coasts of South Korea, Japan, Russia & China. That's a very real problem.


http://disobedientmedia.com/what-hillarys-goldman-sachs-speeches-revealed-about-changing-tides-in-the-koreas/

Craddick did some good work to piece together that China isn't too opposed to a new regime in North Korea. It's apparently been American policy that's caused a lot of the issue. (That really explains Jimmy Carter's 1994 actions.) A few too many people profit from the danger involved. Explains why Trump has little qualms about ending the situation.


@186 VFM #7634

Female & Muslim. Highest odds is a relative.

Anonymous One Deplorable DT April 13, 2017 4:41 PM  

@157 - He can run. He can't hide.

He can't...divide us?

Anonymous Clay April 13, 2017 4:44 PM  

Ya know, if you just let your MOABS sit around, they might get rusty.

Now that you hit a roach nest, you know the survivors will scurry to another hole.

Use another.

BTW..if you don't think the Vinson has nukes on it...nothing I can say.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer April 13, 2017 4:46 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:

@186 VFM #7634

Female & Muslim. Highest odds is a relative.


Honor demanded that she pay for the immodesty of her robes.

Anonymous Mathias April 13, 2017 4:46 PM  

@190

Black Muslim, not Arab, it could have just as easily been a street-corner-robbery gone terribly right.

Anonymous Grayman April 13, 2017 4:49 PM  

Black Muslim, not Arab, it could have just as easily been a street-corner-robbery gone terribly right.

LOL

Blogger VD April 13, 2017 4:55 PM  

Why should we care what NK does or the Asian region anymore than what Syria does and the Middle East?

Because we have 55,000 American troops in South Korea, we are still technically in a state of war with North Korea, and we are responsible for defending Japan, who have been directly targeted by a nuclear-capable North Korea.

Being anti-Empire does not mean failing to recognize an actual national security interest. Whatever North Korea is up to is so serious that it appears to have China, Russia, Japan, and the USA all on the same page.

If you can't recognize the difference between that and Syria, you're literally too stupid to join this discussion.

Blogger Orville April 13, 2017 4:58 PM  

Being anti-Empire does not mean failing to recognize an actual national security interest.

And if you need it further spelled out just remember the supply chain issues after the tsunami in 2011. There is a definite economic interest to us to protect Japan and the ROK.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 13, 2017 5:01 PM  

Whatever North Korea is up to is so serious that it appears to have China, Russia, Japan, and the USA all on the same page.

It was also what Obama told trump was the single most important issue he would have to deal with.

Blogger Gary April 13, 2017 5:02 PM  

North Korea, another country without a BIS-controlled central bank.
Cannot, will not be allowed.
(((They))) will have it all.
And everyone who believes that North Korea suddenly became a HUGE threat, weeks after Trump became President, fell for the propaganda (again). (((They))) are merely cementing Trump as their boy, for the next phase.

Blogger tuberman April 13, 2017 5:05 PM  

158.tz

I know this seems counter intuitive, but when the USA announces "regime change," that means they are NOT GOING TO DO IT ANYTIME SOON, and it's just a negotiating tactic. Regime change always happens in secret and by stealth.

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