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Wednesday, April 26, 2017

Coulter cancels speech

Ann Coulter, quite understandably, has decided to cancel her scheduled Berkeley appearance:
Conservative commentator Ann Coulter has canceled her speech planned for this week at the University of California's Berkeley campus after a dispute with university officials, who feared violent protests, over whether a safe venue could be found. "There will be no speech," she wrote in an email to Reuters on Wednesday, saying two conservative groups sponsoring her speech were no longer supporting her. "I looked over my shoulder and my allies had joined the other team," she wrote. 
Never count on conservatives. They'll usually find a way to cuck out somehow. I tend to doubt that Milo, with his backing from the Alt-Lite and Alt-Right, will see the need to do the same.

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152 Comments:

Blogger Sheila4g April 26, 2017 2:13 PM  

Conservatives veneration of proper "authority" equals playing "Mother May I" with Madame DeFarge.

Blogger Bobo #117 April 26, 2017 2:19 PM  

Conservatives: The Yellow Menace

Blogger Midnight Avenue J April 26, 2017 2:20 PM  

"my allies had joined the other team."

At least she isn't afraid to say it.

Anonymous Andrew E. April 26, 2017 2:21 PM  

Interestingly, this gives Milo a golden opportunity to re-enter the fight with a huge splash with his planned Free-Speech Week at Berkeley.

Blogger WK April 26, 2017 2:22 PM  

Conservatives: Never defeated, never fought.
or;
All dick, no balls.

Anonymous VFM #7916 April 26, 2017 2:23 PM  

With friends like these, who needs enemies?

Seeing this, Coulter should contact Ivan Throne, Cernovich, et al. and ask for volunteer support from the Alt-right. It's going to be the next natural step for her.

Perhaps she should also read Cuckservative?

Anonymous Iacobus April 26, 2017 2:26 PM  

Had a feeling that was going to happen when I heard YAF pulled out. It's cool, though; maybe by the time all is said and done they can have their little echo chamber where they bleat "Four legs good, two legs bad!" all day long.

OT: I heard they revealed the next Call of Duty game, subtitled, "WWII." Also heard they're going to touch on the Holocaustianity. Because we can never hear enough about how it was the Most Evil Thing Ever Done. Ever™.

Blogger tz April 26, 2017 2:26 PM  

But the lawsuit continues...
though will be moot even if there is an injunction when everyone is gone for the summer.
YAF = Young Americans for Folding.

Blogger Big Yehudah April 26, 2017 2:31 PM  

Comment on the Trump Admin Tax plan asap please Vox!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 26, 2017 2:38 PM  

Big Yehudah wrote:Comment on the Trump Admin Tax plan asap please Vox!
Tax policy isn't even secondary, barely even tertiary. Only cucks and twonks care.

"twonks" was a typo, but I like it, sort of a cross between twink and wonk, which is perfectly descriptive.

Blogger Jack Connor April 26, 2017 2:40 PM  

Are the details of the tax plan known?

Anonymous Andrew E. April 26, 2017 2:41 PM  

Comment on the Trump Admin Tax plan asap please Vox!

Does the plan have mass deportation orders buried in it somewhere? Or perhaps mandatory e-verify?

Blogger Elkanah Haon April 26, 2017 2:41 PM  

Apparently (according to /pol/) she's still personally going to turn up, it's just the 'official' speech that's cancelled.

Superbly smart and brave move by her if true.

Blogger Elkanah Haon April 26, 2017 2:43 PM  

Love it. As well as 'twink and wonk' it brings 'twat' and 'twit' to mind.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd April 26, 2017 2:44 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Tax policy isn't even secondary, barely even tertiary. Only cucks and twonks care.

I agree. Start The Wall, stop the immivasion. Blast PC wherever it appears. Dis-entangle ourselves from our foreign entanglements.

Tax policy is deck chairs on the Titanic, compared to the big issues.

Anonymous Andrew Anglin April 26, 2017 2:46 PM  

when Coulter abandons her multi-million$$$ book contract with the NY Jews and joins Castalia House, I'll take her seriously. Until then, her antics are of no more interest than those of any other Cuck.

Blogger daddynichol April 26, 2017 2:48 PM  

The left will now rightfully proclaim they've won this engagement, but it was more like surrender. Since this is California, the left will now rapidly advance toward the taking of other scalps and it will continue until real resistance pushes back and pushes hard. No skirmishes, but standing firm and not relinquishing one inch.

The right does not require a leader to rise, rather they must find a cause and ideal they are willing to sacrifice life and treasure to defend if necessary. The present conservatives only talk about freedom and liberty, but quickly run and hide when they don't have the assurance of protection from the very people who despise them.

Anonymous Anon April 26, 2017 2:48 PM  

Where is the Alt-Right group who can offer to step up as security when conservatives inevitably cuck out? Is this something the Proud Boys would do? I would donate to fund their travel expenses. If not them, then whom?

Backing down like this emboldens and inspires our enemies. We need, as with so many things, an Alt-Right solution.

Anonymous WinstonWebb April 26, 2017 2:49 PM  

Come to the Dark Side, Ann.
We have balls.

Blogger Nate April 26, 2017 2:49 PM  

OT:

check IG News. Trump getting feds out of education.

WINNING

Anonymous Tipsy April 26, 2017 2:51 PM  

I took a look at the Berkeley student newpaper, the Daily Cal, and one commenter there suggested that since Coulter lies, and lies are not free speech, then Coulter has no right to give a speech on campus.

First, since when have Leftists given a rip about truth?
Second, isn't truth subjective for Lefties?
Third, has the commenter reflected upon the irony of the fact that he has appointed himself the final arbiter of objective truth?



Blogger daddynichol April 26, 2017 2:54 PM  

Clarification: When I said, "No skirmishes, but standing firm and not relinquishing one inch.", I meant that the time for throwing a few punches is rapidly declining. I predict that the next engagements will be serious, much more serious, and some of those are not going to be at the sight of the protest, but more directly targeted at the leaders of the left. 4G, not the picket lines of soldiers on an open battle field.

Blogger Nate April 26, 2017 2:57 PM  

Also.. Ann's a dude. soo...

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 26, 2017 3:00 PM  

Andrew Anglin wrote:Until then, her antics are of no more interest than those of any other Cuck.
Andrew would rather be king of his own little hill, well, a lump really....no, more of a knoll...okay, okay... sump.
Andrew would rather be king of his own little sump than regain his country.
And that's why the alt-White don't matter.

Blogger Jourdan April 26, 2017 3:02 PM  

Hilarious. Modern American conservatism in one short story.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 26, 2017 3:02 PM  

Tax policy is deck chairs on the Titanic, compared to the big issues.

I tend to agree, but that's partly because none of the tax reforms of my lifetime were intended as anything more than shuffling the deck chairs. A quick peek at the president's proposal looks different:

Eliminate the death tax. How long have conservatives been preaching for lowering that? (And how many of them will suddenly decide they don't hate it that much after all, now that it's a Trump proposal?) Eliminate the marriage penalty. Eliminate almost all deductions. Drop from 7 brackets to 3. Eliminating, simplifying, and lowering, across the board. At first glance, it looks pretty big.

No, that doesn't mean it's more important than the Wall, not even close. But it's another way he's putting the pressure on the establishment in Congress. The death tax is another one of those things that's extremely precious to them, and he eliminates (not cuts) it as just one item in a list of several things they'll choke on. Every time they drag their feet on or refuse one proposal, he throws 2-3 more at them. That's part of how he's going to beat them: by not letting them set the terms and the pace of things, but coming at them relentlessly so that they are clearly the ones holding back progress.

Anonymous Wilbur Hassenfus April 26, 2017 3:02 PM  

@Tipsy,

Right, they don't care about truth. So why would he care about any of your other points?

The only argument worth making to a lefty is force.

Blogger praetorian April 26, 2017 3:05 PM  

First, since when have Leftists given a rip about truth?

When I am weaker than you, I ask you for free speech because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your free speech because that is according to my principles.

If only libertarians had read Dune...

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 26, 2017 3:12 PM  

I took a look at the Berkeley student newpaper, the Daily Cal, and one commenter there suggested that since Coulter lies, and lies are not free speech, then Coulter has no right to give a speech on campus.


LOL, that's a game for two or more. Fun for the whole family!

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable April 26, 2017 3:13 PM  

Perhaps she should also read Cuckservative?

Ann is no cuck. She's got balls bigger than most men. And I'd bet my shirt she's already read Cuckservative.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr April 26, 2017 3:14 PM  

The tax code won't matter, taxes on the Payer Class always go up. Always.

Atlas won't Shrug, he'll Drop-Kick.

Anonymous Iacobus April 26, 2017 3:17 PM  

Tipsy wrote:I took a look at the Berkeley student newpaper, the Daily Cal, and one commenter there suggested that since Coulter lies, and lies are not free speech, then Coulter has no right to give a speech on campus.

First, since when have Leftists given a rip about truth?

Second, isn't truth subjective for Lefties?

Third, has the commenter reflected upon the irony of the fact that he has appointed himself the final arbiter of objective truth?



Positively Orwellian. Like how leftists think Orwell's "1984" is a warning about Trump's America. It's like the last 8 years were full of unicorns prancing across lush, verdant fields. Cognitive dissonance x infinity.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 26, 2017 3:17 PM  

Oath Keepers put out a call to action to provide security at her speech. If she takes them up on it, it could still happen.

Blogger Old Ez April 26, 2017 3:18 PM  

Sad thing is that Ann could have had an entire phalanx protecting her if she would just ask. But Ann doesn't want to publicly attach herself to the only people willing to put men in the streets because of their racisms and badthink. For all her good work and all the flack she catches from the Hive, Ann knows who butters her bread. She's not going to jeopardize future book deals and the plaudits of Conservative Inc to go out on a limb for a bunch of racists. As far as Young Americans for Cuckoldry, they're a recruiting device for the Alt Right.

Blogger Lovekraft April 26, 2017 3:19 PM  

Being red-pilled involves being alert to a diverse mass of constant info that can make one dazzled (to put it mildly). So I understand the guys who, frankly, want to bring the fight closer to put an end to the info overload.

Which is why they have to find out the leaders who can distill these messages or develop internal processing. Hell, last week I was pissed at jihad, four days ago at yet another Hollywood douchenozzle, today its Bill Nye the pseudo-science guy.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Hair April 26, 2017 3:29 PM  

""There will be no speech,' she wrote in an email to Reuters on Wednesday, saying two conservative groups sponsoring her speech were no longer supporting her. 'I looked over my shoulder and my allies had joined the other team,' she wrote."

As Kelso would say, "Burn!!!!!!!!!"

"Eliminate the death tax. How long have conservatives been preaching for lowering that? (And how many of them will suddenly decide they don't hate it that much after all, now that it's a Trump proposal?) Eliminate the marriage penalty. Eliminate almost all deductions. Drop from 7 brackets to 3. Eliminating, simplifying, and lowering, across the board. At first glance, it looks pretty big."

@26 Watch Ryan come out in favor of the death tax. Conservatives piss me off so much. Buckley was a dolt. Anyone who invokes Reagan? This is my response, "He's been dead for 13 years and is going to stay dead!"

"Sad thing is that Ann could have had an entire phalanx protecting her if she would just ask. But Ann doesn't want to publicly attach herself to the only people willing to put men in the streets because of their racisms and badthink. "

@34 RACISM!!!! OOOH! SCARY!

Anonymous Anonymous April 26, 2017 3:30 PM  

old white guys says..............sometimes you disappoint me Vox.

Blogger frigger611 April 26, 2017 3:30 PM  

Wow, I ain't used to being proved right so quickly. Must be the technology.

Blogger Badger Pundit April 26, 2017 3:31 PM  

The attorney suing UC-Berkeley commented on Milo here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHKdzDmx2aE&list=PLoeMU954HBB2mp0xjmBgaRu4Sff6Ev6kK&t=3s&index=7

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd April 26, 2017 3:32 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:. Every time they drag their feet on or refuse one proposal, he throws 2-3 more at them. That's part of how he's going to beat them: by not letting them set the terms and the pace of things, but coming at them relentlessly so that they are clearly the ones holding back progress.

If good deck chair fung shui discombobulates GOP cuck obstructionists, then let us shuffle deck chairs madly, by all means.

I think you are saying that Trump's strategy right now is to do what he can without the GOP's help, and make it plain that the GOP is more problem than solution, and let frustration build, so that we can primary our problems in 2018.

No doubt frustration is building. Trump, and we, need to do everything we can to ensure that the normies are frustrated with their very own congress-critter and senators, rather than all the other congress-critters. This is how incumbents maintain a 97%+ recidivism rate: they tell the normies ``It's all the other critters who are the problem, and if you just re-elect me, this time I'll bring home even more pork.''

If Trump can show up the incumbents as obstructionists, we might just get somewhere. Unfortunately, most loyal Republicans get their news from the globalist enemy media, so channeling that frustration to work against congress rather than president may be tough.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 26, 2017 3:34 PM  

These queer little gammas couldn't even find it in their shriveled glands to white knight for a blonde.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener April 26, 2017 3:35 PM  

Conservative's AR-15 For Sale - Never Fired, Dropped Once

Anonymous Looking Glass April 26, 2017 3:40 PM  

@26 Cail Corishev

From a Net Economic point of view, it would really improve the state of the economy. Bad tax policy causes a lot of problems.

However, that's not the deep, deep trick in this proposal:

"One-time tax on trillions of dollars held overseas"

Apple and Facebook, combined, have something like $200 Billion in real cash just sitting off-shore. They've been borrowing against it, but they'll never bring it on-shore. Trump plans to make them bring it on-shore, because he just set the Lobbyists ears on fire.

Trump has just started a Lobbyist war for money from certain big companies. That now pits one set of Companies against another. While at the same time convincing Congress to do the one thing they love to do: shake down people for donations. Allies of convenience don't stay allies for too long. Trump plans to force everyone to break ranks, while at the same time he merrily goes and does what he's planned to do.

Make the puppets dance. It's working so far.

Blogger Robert Divinity April 26, 2017 3:44 PM  

Cucks gonna cuck. The one upside is it strengthens the position of the Alt-Right and disabuses the young of the notion that conservatives should be supported. Earlier someone linked Coulter's column this week about the green/brown contradiction. It's highly recommended, and it shows she may not have been a lost cause even before today's Cuck Theatre.

Anonymous johnc April 26, 2017 3:44 PM  

There weren't too many winning paths on this one. The enemy was going to bring out a crowd bigger than that for Milo's riots, and it would have all been close-quarters interaction. I understand our side has better fighters for the most part but you can get overwhelmed by numbers. I don't think we have any obligation to be the left's punching bag, do we?

Blogger Cail Corishev April 26, 2017 3:50 PM  

I think you are saying that Trump's strategy right now is to do what he can without the GOP's help, and make it plain that the GOP is more problem than solution, and let frustration build, so that we can primary our problems in 2018.

Mostly, except I don't assume he wants to wait until 2018. I think he hopes to keep enough pressure on them to get their compliance on as many things as possible now.

One thing we should remember is that President Trump sees himself as the Great Negotiator, not the Great Arm-Twister. Now, I'm sure he'd say that negotiating sometimes requires arm-twisting. But he doesn't start there. He starts by trying to figure out how to get the other guy to want what he himself wants, but at the same time he knows that's not always possible. So he's still feeling them out, figuring out which ones can be worked with, and which ones will simply be obstructionist to the end.

In the meantime, Congress must have to meet each morning to divide up their Trump-complaining duties: "Okay, split up into groups and then huddle up here. First group talks about how we shouldn't intemperately pull out of NAFTA because economy; next talks about how children will be illiterate and starving if he gets his way on education; next claims that his tax cuts are just to benefit himself; next talks about how we just really can't afford the Wall this year, sorry, maybe next year; and the rest of us will freelance and try to catch whatever else he comes up with today. Okay, hands in the middle for establishment, 1-2-3-4-ESTABLISHMENT, BREAK!"

Anonymous Looking Glass April 26, 2017 3:50 PM  

HAHA. I just realized: the Globalists/NeoCons/Socialists never realized Divide & Conquer could be used against them. They've spent so long refining their Offensive Potential of the tactic that they never considered they could trap themselves into the same situation. Especially because their alliances are bought & paid for. Put a wedge between them and they can't circle the wagons.

Also, Trump is now outright threatening to leave NAFTA. Oh, what a good day.

Blogger tuberman April 26, 2017 3:52 PM  

36. Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Hair,

"Sad thing is that Ann could have had an entire phalanx protecting her if she would just ask. But Ann doesn't want to publicly attach herself to the only people willing to put men in the streets because of their racisms and badthink. "

This and several other things are why I tend to ignore Ann now. Her allies had no balls, but she refuses to pick allies that will have guts...because, "she might be called a Nazi."


Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 26, 2017 3:55 PM  

23. Nate
My wife calls her Man Coulter.
She talks smack about libtards , and then, like the other cucks, hangs out and yuks it up at parties with them.
It's about as real as WWE rasslin'.

Anonymous Looking Glass April 26, 2017 3:57 PM  

This is a subtle, behind-the-scenes aspect, but Canada's banks are in terrible shape. It's one thing that gives Trump so much leverage. For as bad as the American economy is, pretty much everyone else is in FAR worse shape, right long with being unable to cause problems in response.

It's going to be really fun when Trump can set in motion certain factions that will profit better from a Nationalism-approach against the Global factions. Much of the "globalist" corporations aren't are keen on the entire situation. They may be Rent-seekers, but they'll be king of the Rent-seekers in a different environment. Watch for this to develop over the next few years.

Anonymous BBGKB April 26, 2017 3:59 PM  

TRUMP should have deployed National Guard and Reserve troops with live ammo just like when they forced nigglets on good schools.

I predict that the next engagements will be serious, much more serious, and some of those are not going to be at the sight of the protest, but more directly targeted at the leaders of the left

In CT they printed out the names & addresses (with relatives also) of all the gun grabbing politicians with the plan that if they tried mass confiscations it wouldn't be shootouts between patriots and cops but taking out the (((trash))) at its home.

Related: Wise latrina who wasn't in top 20% of High School Class Obliterates the myth that groups with an average IQ under 90 can bootstrap themselves. LOL she thinks she graduated without teachers giving extra points for being brown. If her twat was not brown or darker she would have failed out.

"My test scores were not comparable to my colleagues at Princeton and Yale [but] not so far off so that I wasn't able to succeed at those institutions"
https://www.popsugar.com/news/Sonia-Sotomayor-Talking-About-Equal-Opportunity-43406242

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky April 26, 2017 3:59 PM  

This was an interesting case! Just yesterday I wound up getting into it with some conservatives on this, because of the big press generated by these two groups' lawyer, Harmeet Dhillon. Using what I've learned from our SDL on this site I immediately predicted this wasn't going to go well. That met with conservative outrage. Not just disagreement, outrage.

She checked off a lot of boxes that make the cucks feel so good about themselves, how PC was this pick? Female, Sikh. That's it. And their cries:

She's a Sikh, not a Muslim! They've been battling Muslims for centuries! She's a strong conservative! She's was born here, she's an American!

I explained to them, she is in fact as American as a sitar and cannot be depended upon to defend the right to free speech of our Constitution. She's a Not American and it blares at you, and not only that she's not a conservative either. She sat on the board of the Northern California ACLU, for Pete's sake, that's the looniest one of them. I predicted with great confidence that she wouldn't really fight, that she could not be trusted.

They attacked my mother. But, thanks to Vox, I was right.

Blogger Lovekraft April 26, 2017 4:01 PM  

@ 49: I heard that my province, Ontario, is in worse fiscal shape than California. Let that sink in. Our elections are based around who can buy the nurses and teachers union votes (and, of course, the urban immigrant enclaves).

Blogger praetorian April 26, 2017 4:01 PM  

Make the puppets dance. It's working so far.

Dropping the state income tax deduction is a pretty brilliant move too.

Blogger lowercaseb April 26, 2017 4:05 PM  

It's a shame about this week, but it gives me another week to train before the Milo events start happening. It's not going to be the same fight as on the 15th.

Blogger Servant April 26, 2017 4:07 PM  

Preach it.

I explain this to people all the time. The "not my congressman" fallacy.

Well sorry I can't vote for all the other ones, so you have to go. If you truly have no power to affect change, I have no problem voting for baby blood drinking demoncrats. Next term, we can try a Republican again.

Anonymous Avalanche April 26, 2017 4:08 PM  

@16 "when Coulter abandons her multi-million$$$ book contract with the NY Jews and joins Castalia House, I'll take her seriously. Until then, her antics are of no more interest than those of any other Cuck. "

When Ann Coulter quits making the multi-million$$$ that let her AFFORD her own private security so she can keep going around putting out our message(s), then MAYBE she can choose to switch publishers. Unless you're going to make up the shortfall to KEEP HER ALIVE, she needs to keep going, even with the NY Jews. She is making good solid advances for OUR side -- she's an ally and an amazingly good one at that!

Don't drop a perfectly serviceable, highyl EFFECTIVE weapon because it was 'built' by an enemy. Do you never play first-person shooters?!

(Or are you more interested in LOSING with purity? And that differs from a cuck just how?)

Anonymous #VFM 6306 April 26, 2017 4:10 PM  

I don't think we have any obligation to be the left's punching bag, do we?

Conservatives? No. They have the pleasure of being the Left's punching bag.

The Alt-Right? They are taking the fight to the Left. They are always outnumbered. Never a punching bag. I don't know why. Has something to do with physics or ballistics or something...

Blogger Servant April 26, 2017 4:11 PM  

Forgot safe code

Blogger Dirk Manly April 26, 2017 4:13 PM  

@27

"The only argument worth making to a lefty is a bullet."

There, FIFY.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 26, 2017 4:14 PM  

Why did she even bother to agree with it? Normally Coulter shows more sense than this. I mean, FFS, she _knew_ it would be cancelled. There was never any real possibility it would _not_ be cancelled.

Anonymous Grayman April 26, 2017 4:14 PM  

Cernovich's just pointed out how cucked YAF is. They bring in 35 million per year and have 65 million in assets, yet cannot fund a venue and private security?

Blogger Robert Divinity April 26, 2017 4:16 PM  

Dropping the state income tax deduction is a pretty brilliant move too.

Shrewd but likely a bargaining chip.

Anonymous Grayman April 26, 2017 4:16 PM  

Conservative/republican = cucked controlled opposition. They fear the alt-right because they will lose their easy payday being controlled opposition.

Blogger Sam Lively April 26, 2017 4:18 PM  

People crapping on Ann for not marching in with an Alt-Right bodyguard squad and not burning every bridge with her Conservative Inc. publishers should consider that Adios America doesn't get read by millions, including the God Emperor, if she was an Alt-Right figurehead.

She's exposing more average conservatives to the cowardice and uselessness of Conservative Inc. from within better than she could without, at least for the moment.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 26, 2017 4:22 PM  

They bring in 35 million per year and have 65 million in assets, yet cannot fund a venue and private security?

Sure they could. But here's the thing: by trying to bring her on campus and getting denied, they probably think they've scored a great moral victory by proving to the world that the Berkeley administration isn't really for free speech.

But everyone already knew that, so.... The only thing anyone's learned is about the YAF, not Berkeley.

Blogger totenhenchen April 26, 2017 4:22 PM  

Top kek.

Anonymous Tipsy April 26, 2017 4:25 PM  

BBGKB wrote:Related: Wise latrina who wasn't in top 20% of High School Class Obliterates the myth that groups with an average IQ under 90 can bootstrap themselves.

I remember reading an account of the kinds of clients term-paper writers get. Largely, they're too stupid for college, with no ability for abstract thought. Often enough, they're getting the master's degree to bump up their pay scale in some government job.

Blogger Sam Lively April 26, 2017 4:26 PM  

@65

Martyrdom in court is the ultimate conservative aspiration.

Blogger papabear April 26, 2017 4:28 PM  

BridgeUSA invited her. Its founder, Pranav Jandhyala, has been quoted a lot in relation to the story. An Indian playing a mediator? What's his real agenda?


http://www.dailycal.org/2017/04/21/ann-coulter-event-will-stir-meaningful-debate/

Anonymous Tipsy April 26, 2017 4:28 PM  

a deplorable rubberducky wrote:This was an interesting case! Just yesterday I wound up getting into it with some conservatives on this, because of the big press generated by these two groups' lawyer, Harmeet Dhillon. Using what I've learned from our SDL on this site I immediately predicted this wasn't going to go well. That met with conservative outrage. Not just disagreement, outrage.


On the other hand, her firm is still pursuing a lawsuit against Sam Liccardo and the Mayor of San Jose for letting a mob attack Trump supporters.

Anonymous johnc April 26, 2017 4:37 PM  

The Left doesn't believe in free speech. So why should we?

They have given us the green light to dismantle the Constitution and replace it with something better and more in conformity to Western tradition.

Blogger Dirtnapninja April 26, 2017 4:39 PM  

I'm hearing other speakers are going to fill in..Gavin Mcginnes, Peetibone, Southern and others. Dont those bloody fools in the conservative establishment understand that if they do not lead, will not follow and will not get out of the way that they will not be of any use to anyone? That a new leadership cadre will arise which owes them nothing and sees them as an impediment?

Anonymous Grayman April 26, 2017 4:42 PM  

The conservatives have to be destroyed the same as the left. The consevatives, whether they realize it or not, are the spoiler branch of the left.
The conservative refugees will have to choose, left or alt-right.

Blogger Happy LP9 April 26, 2017 4:45 PM  

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Blogger Tom Kratman April 26, 2017 4:48 PM  

"Eliminate the death tax. How long have conservatives been preaching for lowering that?"

The purposes of the gift and estate tax (no sense in having one without the other) were a) to enhance revenues and b) break up large accumulations of wealth. They have never been successful in either goal. Less than 2% of federal revenues came from them and never have they broken up really large estates. But the left can't let go of them; they're part and parcel of their fantasy - a fantasy conservatives collude in, by the way - that it is even _possible_ to tax the very rich. "Well, it ain't, see?"

The function of the very rich in our tax system is tax farmer, not tax payer. Any tax levied upon them gets passed on or becomes, via supply and demand, meaningless. The only people who pay taxes in any meaningful way are the upper middle to lower workign class. Neither the rich nor the unemployed very poor pay.

Moreover, once you take them out of the equation, as you really must, our system's total tax rate is very nearly flat already.

Blogger SirHamster April 26, 2017 4:52 PM  

Iacobus wrote:OT: I heard they revealed the next Call of Duty game, subtitled, "WWII." Also heard they're going to touch on the Holocaustianity. Because we can never hear enough about how it was the Most Evil Thing Ever Done. Ever™.

But think of all the engaging gameplay you can have with the Auschwitz walking simulator level!

Blogger lowercaseb April 26, 2017 4:55 PM  

Looks like McInnes, Southern, Pettibone and Goldy are going ahead. It sounds like a live event...if so I will attend and let you know how it went.

https://twitter.com/Gavin_McInnes/status/857318027968249858

Blogger lowercaseb April 26, 2017 4:56 PM  

Dirtnapninja wrote:I'm hearing other speakers are going to fill in..Gavin Mcginnes, Peetibone, Southern and others. Dont those bloody fools in the conservative establishment understand that if they do not lead, will not follow and will not get out of the way that they will not be of any use to anyone? That a new leadership cadre will arise which owes them nothing and sees them as an impediment?

Sorry about duping your post. I was busy typing away when you posted that.

Blogger SirHamster April 26, 2017 4:56 PM  

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Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 26, 2017 4:58 PM  

YAF could have played with this a little more, by demanding "safe space" for themselves. Not that UC Berkeley would have granted it, but rather by contrasting "safe space" with "free speech" YAF could have made some things clearer to the normies.

As it is, most people won't see anything going on. They'll just say, "Huh. Crazy college people" and that's that.

Blogger praetorian April 26, 2017 5:01 PM  

I'm hearing other speakers are going to fill in..Gavin Mcginnes, Peetibone, Southern and others.

Pray for us, Based Rick Flair.

Anonymous Dan April 26, 2017 5:03 PM  

Friggin' God Bless You Gavin.

At this point I think its time to have Free Speech year at Berkeley. People should just rally every day until they start protecting free speech or Berkeley closes down. I don't really care which it is.

Blogger lowercaseb April 26, 2017 5:11 PM  

praetorian wrote:I'm hearing other speakers are going to fill in..Gavin Mcginnes, Peetibone, Southern and others.

Pray for us, Based Rick Flair.


Actually, My favorite berkeley celebrity is now #BasedWindu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cPhax9G1Gw

Anonymous DonaldR April 26, 2017 5:12 PM  

"They have given us the green light to dismantle the Constitution and replace it with something better and more in conformity to Western tradition."

Got to ask...How's that process gonna work?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 26, 2017 5:20 PM  

Tom Kratman wrote:and b) break up large accumulations of wealth. They have never been successful in either goal. Less than 2% of federal revenues came from them and never have they broken up really large estates. But the left can't let go of them; they're part and parcel of their fantasy - a fantasy conservatives collude in, by the way - that it is even _possible_ to tax the very rich. "Well, it ain't, see?"
No, not really. I mean, yes, that's what they told the hoi polloi, but the real purpose of the death tax is to destroy the petty bourgoisie. A friend of mine from high school got hit with this when his father died. His dad owned a gas station. Never a big money maker, but it put him solidly in the lower tier of the upper middle class, with an income equivalent to about $120-180K per year in today's money, and provided his retirement.

When his dad died in the 1980s, the IRS denied his and his CPA's valuation, and instead determined that the station was worth considerably more. The death taxes, per the IRS, came to more than they were finally able to sell the station for. If Mike had been depending on that revenue stream for himself, as was his father's intention, he'd have been ruined.

As it was, he sold out (to the oil company, of course), and bought into a coffee franchise instead. Last I heard he was working as an estate planner.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 26, 2017 5:22 PM  

DonaldR wrote:Got to ask...How's that process gonna work?
First, you, personally, eat a bullet. Then the rest of the world goes on, a little better, a little smarter on average, and a little happier.

Blogger Jack Ward April 26, 2017 5:22 PM  

Col. Kratman, good to see you here. Hope the next 'Peace' novel is just around the corner. Been too long. Surprise us; release the remainder of A Desert called Peace series at the same time. We will be ecstatic.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper April 26, 2017 5:23 PM  

Tom Kratman wrote:The function of the very rich in our tax system is tax farmer, not tax payer. Any tax levied upon them gets passed on or becomes, via supply and demand, meaningless. The only people who pay taxes in any meaningful way are the upper middle to lower workign class. Neither the rich nor the unemployed very poor pay.



This is a peculiarity of the US system . In essence no matter what the Feds do, they aren't getting more than around 20% of the GDP in taxes . Its sometimes called Hauser's Law

Other nations have a larger threshold

Also the reason for taxing the wealthy isn't usually income. That's the public bleat for fairness used on moderates, the reality is high taxes sands loopholes serve as leveling

You aren't getting richer than X period

Our political structures won't tolerate that very much though and so its doomed to fail.

if we wanted a more stable economy that isn't on the rocket train to the 3rd world, after repatriation we still need to do something to compensate for automation.

We can buy time but in the not that long term we either force women out of the workforce or lower the work week drastically.

The former is politically untenable so long as women have the franchise and the later, damned hard.

As an example, if we were to drop the work week to 30 hours for full time , the minimum wage would be around $12.50 without extra taxes, benefits or anything else


Union scale semi skilled labor inflation adjusted would be $30 or so though repatriation would of course lower housing costs

These options might be inadequate though and the 20 hour work week predicted might be needed. I can't see a $20 national minimum working or a $40 typical semi skilled wage either.

The only option I can see we haven't tried is Distributism, changing in the incentives to make working and middle class payroll the most cost effective option. Distribute or pay high taxes. Incentives should work in that case.

Baring however a dictatorship, its not going to happen,

My guess is that whatever comes out of the USA after this mess will be less developed and poorer. If its stable, natal and healthy, this doesn't matter but if its not, we'll end up like Russia under Yeltsin

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 26, 2017 5:24 PM  

Ann Coulter has been at events where she gets pies thrown at her. This is when she does have security around her. What sort of iffy security is she supposed to rely on now, ,when the left is getting far more violent and her security far more compromised? That stand-down order by the police, for one, and that "private conscience" on a secret service agent no longer guarding Trump counsel for caution.

Anonymous JoeAmerica April 26, 2017 5:38 PM  

I have a title of a good Berkley speech. "Detroit and Berkley, is there a connection?"
Mainstream media says today Detroit is one of the wealthiest cities in America today, but this is in service to political correctness and really just a simple bold-face lie.
http://fortune.com/2015/12/06/america-richest-cities/

Detroit in fact was a very wealthy city. In 1960 if you told someone how Detroit would be synonymous with abject poverty, crime and bankruptcy - this would have seemed very impossible for most of the 1960's. A 1965 description of day to day life in Detroit, pay careful attention to the lyrics,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duusvtW3wvc

The same can be said of Berkley and Silicon Valley. Berkeley has been transfixed by divisive identity politics and resentment triggering much like Detroit. In 70 years what effects will Berkley's ideological possession have? Is extreme poverty and crime Berkley's long term future?

Blogger Lovekraft April 26, 2017 5:49 PM  

Watched an old vid of Milo with Maher and they were chumming it up. Let that be a warning about media tactics. They soften you up for the shiv later on.

Anonymous Dan April 26, 2017 5:54 PM  

Coulter not a cuck. But she genuinely needs to be protected. She is 55 years old and her arms are like pencils. Trump follows her feed, and I believe she is trying to get Trump to step in.

Perhaps someone will have to die before the Berkeley police starts doing their job, but that someone should not be Ann Coulter.

Blogger newanubis April 26, 2017 6:01 PM  

Oath Keepers perhaps? Think they got involved with the Bundy Ranch or Oregon folks. I do recall a political misstep but they were stepping up.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 26, 2017 6:02 PM  

That wasn't the original intent, Snidely, but it was clearly the eventual effect. Note: There was some huge chunk of the Dupont estate, I want to say right at 170 million (probably times 2-3 now) that was ultimately taxed something like 12k.

Why do they keep them up if that's the effect. Because the left won't let go of their fantasy of taxing the rich and the right colludes in this by saying the rich pay X percent. already. Sure, they stroke the checks but the actual payment is from those who buy and use the goods and services the very rich control. They're just tax farmers.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 26, 2017 6:03 PM  

@92 Dan, agreed. Ann Coulter deserves a statue someday, just like Steve Sailer. But that doesn't mean she's without limits, and she is a woman. We shouldn't expect her to go charging into danger when others are running away from it. We're the ones opposed to women in combat, right?

Blogger Tom Kratman April 26, 2017 6:04 PM  

Dunno, Jack; it's in the works.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 26, 2017 6:09 PM  

@95

Basically, we need something like the SA sans Nazism, Cail, something trained, with leadership, and with discipline; armed with suitable weapons, and ready to go anywhere, and _fight_. BSM, AKA Kyle Chapman, is trying to get something like that going but, while his heart seems _clearly_ in the right place, I don't know if he has the ultimate capability. I hope he does.

Anonymous Corvid Jones April 26, 2017 6:11 PM  

I saw several WN/Alt-Right/Alt-Light figures on twitter supporting her and saying they'd be there. I think we'll be seeing more and more edge from Anne, now that she knows who will actually show up against anti-white commies when push comes to shove. Her pushing the Overton window more in her talks would be the best development from this situation with the size of her audience.

Anonymous Looking Glass April 26, 2017 6:15 PM  

Estate Tax is mostly exists to pump money from the semi-wealthy to lawyers, estate planners and the Insurance Industry. What, you didn't know rich guys pay a lot of money to pay off the Estate Tax?

Mindful, the original idea is Marxist. It came into being in the States when they wanted a quick cash grab during the Depression.

Blogger Gordon April 26, 2017 6:15 PM  

Agree with Dan and Cail Corishev. It's fine to say, "hey, we'll protect her!" but the reality is that she has no idea who "we" are, if we're penetrated and compromised, or even how many will show up. We're fighting on their turf. They control the police response. And she simply doesn't look very hot in body armor.

Anonymous JAG April 26, 2017 6:23 PM  

Dan wrote:Coulter not a cuck. But she genuinely needs to be protected. She is 55 years old and her arms are like pencils. Trump follows her feed, and I believe she is trying to get Trump to step in.

Perhaps someone will have to die before the Berkeley police starts doing their job, but that someone should not be Ann Coulter.



Thanks to the black robbed tyrants on the SCOTUS, police have no duty to protect which invalidates the whole premise on which law enforcement was built. Citizen first responders have much more expected of them than the people hired to do those jobs. It makes one wonder why we pay for police services at all if they are not duty bound to provide them. This is especially worrisome when the police are controlled by the leftists.

Blogger Quilp April 26, 2017 6:23 PM  

I don't know, if you emphatically, publicly. state over and over that the speech will go on, no matter the cancellation, then the speech should go on. Hire Blackwater if need be, but to cancel like this at the last minute, really does give victory to mere threats of violence. To claim it doesn't is to lie to oneself, or others.

Anonymous Tom V. April 26, 2017 6:31 PM  

@ 48 "My wife calls her Man Coulter.
She talks smack about libtards , and then, like the other cucks, hangs out and yuks it up at parties with them.
It's about as real as WWE rasslin'."

You're looking at it wrong. It gets her exposure (Bill Maher etc), it's recon of enemy territory, and it's psyops -- if she can get up close and personal with them, it's a chance to mess with their heads. Ann is both articulate and confident, very confident, (and, of course, right) and since libtards expect alt-right to be gibbering Nazis, it must cause massive cognitive disruption for them. I say we clone Ann in order to send them to even more parties.

Blogger Thag Omizer April 26, 2017 6:32 PM  

This outcome isn't that bad.

- There's going to be a rally anyways, Lauren Southern and Gavin Mcinnes are 'planning' to speak. Since everyone's expecting a fight the speaker doesn't really matter.

- This puts Anne Coulter in a better position for her lawsuit. Now the University actively cancelled her event. If she spoke anyways then her claim wouldn't be as strong.

- Discovery on that lawsuit is going to be a nightmare for Berkley administrators. They have Antifa on staff and they know it. They took money from Milo for security they had no intension of providing. Who knows what else.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 26, 2017 6:37 PM  

A little more information on the Portland, Oregon Avenue of Roses parade cancellation.

According to the Oregon GOP, organizers of the parade received an email saying that a group would take their own initiative to make sure the MCRP didn't march in the parade if organizers let them participate.

“We will have two hundred or more people rush into the parade into the middle and drag and push those people out as we will not give one inch to groups who espouse hatred toward LGBT, immigrants, people of color or others,” the email reads in part.

The email, which the Oregon GOP posted on its website, further reads, “You have seen how much power we have downtown and that the police cannot stop us from shutting down roads so please consider your decision wisely.”


Between Portland and Seattle there might well be 200 Klowntifa willing to show up.

Jacob Bureros of Direct Action Alliance emailed a statement to KGW about the cancellation.

"We are disappointed that the Avenue of Roses Parade has been cancelled. As members of this community, we prize our neighborhood events and support events that promote community. Known members of neo-nazi and anti immigrant hate groups planned to attend the group that was being hosted by the Multnomah County Republicans at the parade. We intended to stand between them and those who they wanted to intimidate. We intended to block out their hate and shut down their violence."


On Wednesday, Bureros changed his tune a bit:

"We condemn the erroneous reporting by mainstream news media outlets that link our organization to the letter that is being cited as the cause for the cancellation of this parade. It has resulted in countless amounts of death threats and intimidation directed at me and my family.

"Direct Action Alliance and those affiliated with this group did not publish, produce or distribute the letter in question.


Seems to me there's any number of criminal charges including conspiracy that could be brought. But they won't be, not in Portlandia. Still, normal people might wonder why they can't have nice things like neighborhood parades any more.

Anonymous Corvid Jones April 26, 2017 6:38 PM  

@16 Anglin was asked if he is posting here, he informed us he is not. He also asked for his name to stop being used. So stop, please, if you aren't a shill.

@24 @56 That's not Anglin, it's someone doing D&C. Either way, "Alt-White" is not your enemy, lads. AA is actually right now arguing in favor of promoting TRS again in spite of the Jew ex-wife in the name of good propaganda and higher goals. The majority of us are focused on winning, same as you.

@89 This is my thought. I agree that Anne could get bad optics for having far-right security, but I feel like security without our mindset can't be trusted to do their job. Do we prioritize bad press over Anne's safety? I can't say.

Anonymous blep April 26, 2017 6:40 PM  

Even if Coulter doesn't show up, other people are like Gavin McInnes and Lauren Southern. Based Stickman will be there. McInnes claims they've "amassed an army".

Blogger Gordon April 26, 2017 6:44 PM  

I've posted this before, but: Police departments respond to the police chief. The police chief responds to the mayor. Both the rank and file and their leaders receive very good pay and great benefits. But the pension is the prize: it comes early (often after only 20 years) and it is very generous.

No police officer or chief is going to put that pension at risk by disobeying the mayor. The mayor of Berkeley has friended Antifa on Facebook. The Berkeley police have stated that they will stand back unless they see lives threatened.

You cannot shame them. They are bought and paid for.

The only people Coulter can count on are her paid bodyguards. She cannot afford enough of them to get her out safely if something bad happens, and the police can't or won't stop it.

Anonymous Crank April 26, 2017 6:53 PM  

@Quilp

Giving her the benefit of the doubt here, I think her prior statements were made on the assumption that the student groups that had invited her and were her qualified sponsors would continue to hold the invitation open even if the university itself attempted to cancel it. In that case, she would still have the legal high ground (as Richard Spencer did in Auburn). But once those groups cancelled (and rescinded the invitation), I think she has no standing to demand a venue to speak on campus. Blame the YAF and whatever other group backed down and cancelled the invite.

So far as I know, whoever invited Richard Spencer to speak at Auburn had standing under University rules to issue the invitation and never backed down, even when the school tried to cancel.

Blogger VD April 26, 2017 6:54 PM  

Anglin was asked if he is posting here, he informed us he is not. He also asked for his name to stop being used. So stop, please, if you aren't a shill.

I was dubious. I'll spam the guy if he does it again.

Anonymous Crank April 26, 2017 7:00 PM  

Also, I see many posters conflating the Berkeley police department (which was responsible for the April 15 stand down) with the UCPD at UC Berkeley. They are not one and the same - the University of California has its own police department at every UC campus and they have jurisdiction over the local police force there. I believe they also have some sort of overlapping jurisdiction within one mile of campus. It may be that the UCPD there is just as bad as the Berkeley force, or maybe they would need their help with a very large crowd, I'm not sure. But the Mayor and Berkeley police chief have no authority over the UCPD as far as I know. They are direct employees of the State, much like the Highway Patrol.

Anonymous Corvid Jones April 26, 2017 7:08 PM  

Much appreciated, VD.

@109 Spencer was not invited, but supported by a local group called the White Student Union. They were not a recognized Auburn group, however. So Spencer paid for the space, his case hinged on the fact that Auburn is a public institution and has to permit his right to speak, as opposed to Anne's which was based on an invitation. Either way, I think Anne's lawyers can easily use the Spencer decision as a precedent for a school's responsibility to support speakers regardless of "threats."

Blogger Lovekraft April 26, 2017 7:16 PM  

Just read on gab that there's another speech by alt-righter Nathan Domingo (he who gave Moldylox the lovetap), backed by his proud boys.

Anonymous Crank April 26, 2017 7:16 PM  

@Corvid

It may be that the two universities have different rules for who can invite a speaker. If any group in California could invite a speaker to speak at a UC venue, it would be bedlam. So, I think the rules require an invitation from some group affiliated with the University.

But, in either case, they aren't allowed to discriminate by political content so long as the preset requirements are met.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 26, 2017 7:17 PM  

103. Tom V.
It's not liberal or conservative .
It's not Republican or Democrat Parties.
The COCKTAIL party is what matters to these people, not you or me or anybody else they claim to speak for.
And that goes for the rest of these e-celebs some of you are so enamored with. You might not agree with that but ME. NO. CARE. My opinion matters not one damn bit to them, and the feeling is mutual.

Blogger Achilles April 26, 2017 7:19 PM  

After a victory at Battle of Berkeley that demoralized and humiliated the Left Coulter and the YAF hand the Antifa an easy win. Almost like they are controlled opposition.

Blogger Dirtnapninja April 26, 2017 7:54 PM  

They should go back to berkeley as often as they can. Berkeley of the spiritual heart of left wing america. Lets tear it out. Let them be the epicenter of the growing counterrevolution. Let the violence and chaos that they have been so complicit in creating come to their very doorsteps.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 26, 2017 7:57 PM  

I think it's great the alt-right are going over and over to Berkeley.

I doubt Soros really want's the bad publicity of Ann Coulter getting physically harmed or even killed. Not this early in his game.

Anonymous SigOther April 26, 2017 8:02 PM  

That's simply wrong. The top 1% of individual filers pay about 35-40% of all referral income taxes revenues (total income tax revenue is about 1.3 trillion, and usually around 50% of all federal revenue). The bottom 90% of filers (125 million ppl) pay around 30% of all federal income tax revenue. https://taxfoundation.org/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-
The rest of fed revenue is corporate tax, fees/forfeitures, and excise taxes/imposts/duties, or entitlement programs such as SS and Medicare.

Blogger Quilp April 26, 2017 8:20 PM  

So...now that ANTIFA has been shown mere threats of violence may lead to victory for them with no effort whatsoever, what else can we expect? If they don't like the plot of a movie, and threaten moviegoers, will theater owners still run the film. How about comedians who they find disagreeable, would a comedy club owner risk vandalism. What if ANTIFA doesn't like a musician, can a radio station safely play them?

I'm older and don't have a lot in common with most of the people on this site. One thing I do have extensive experience with however, is criminal psychopaths, and how they operate. ANTIFA was just handed a victory of enormous value. They punked the entire right, that is how they will see it. They were allowed to do so because the right has no real leadership at this time. My goodness, David French at NRO is simply beside himself with the possible ramifications of all this..he might do something rash, and tweet out a cuss word or something. Vox was absolutely right, Ann was betrayed by "conservatives", until they are pushed out of the way, the left will continue to advance. Even with the GOP holding complete power over the federal govt, the left advances...while "conservatives" cower. Every site today on the right is lit up with: ought to, should be, there needs to be, why isn't, how come, where is.." People are still in a state of mind that leads them to believe there is an "authority" that will stop all this unrest. they voted for law & order after all. When the entire point of ANTIFA is to make their vote meaningless. How do you reach such people

Blogger praetorian April 26, 2017 8:22 PM  

So...now that ANTIFA has been shown mere threats of violence may lead to victory for them with no effort whatsoever, what else can we expect?

The Alt-Right is still going to Berkeley.

Let's not cry in our beer just yet.

DEUS VULT

Blogger Troy Lee Messer April 26, 2017 8:26 PM  

I consider this a tactical retreat. Anne has been a more than a worthy adversary to Satan and his minions. I do not begrudge her for not being a point man in a scenario that had a very good probability of seeing violence. Anne is scrawny and probably represents Double XP to some antifata coward. We need some one like Mike to go there. Some that can take and give a punch.

@#117. So I'm and underemployed ex-vet. Is there an Alt-rigt version of Soros. What would happen if just a few in shape, tactical, disciplined shitlords or minions of the evil legion of evil showed up at Berkley dropping a bunch of red pill? Is there an application?

Blogger Tom Kratman April 26, 2017 8:29 PM  

Sometimes I wonder about that claim of the average number of standard deviations to the right occasionally made here.

No, simply no, and I see you need a version of the longer lecture, Sig.

The short version would be, they stroke the checks, but they don't create the money that pays the checks. Instead they collect it. That's what I meant by "tax farmer." Their function is to raise prices on things which are paid for by the very upper middle to lower working class, sufficient to live well and pay the tax.

There are a number of different ways to look at it, but they all lead to the same destination. I'll cover a few.

1. The world's GDP is dwarfed - dwarfed many times over - by the size of the essentially purely notional derivatives markets, etc., themselves controlled and/or played with by the very rich. Why haven't we had a bout of inflation to put Argentina's to shame, even though there is all that theoretical extra value floating around in financial markets? Why? Because there are two economic universes (maybe more, but two main ones). The real one, though it seems smaller, is ours. We produce; we consume. The other one, though it seems bigger, is essentially a colony of parasites living in the unreal one while parasitizing the real one. They reach down and scoop enough from our real economic world to live pretty well, but they're clever enough to know that ours is real, their's is fake, and if they scoop too much we collapse and their collapse follows on ours directly.

2. The monetary measures mostly mean different things. We are not competing with the very rich for classic collector cars, the Barbarini Venus, van Gogh paintings, high end London and New York rental property, Loire Valley castles, 200(+) foot yachts, and 20000 dollar a weekend Cannes whores to decorate them. We're not even really competing for Wagyu beef. Our dollars, sufficient for most of us to live on, are too small, individually, for us to bid up the price of any of that to a degree to affect them. They're their own economy, where money means something a little different. Conversely, while they, privately, do use some of the same commodities we do, their needs are so much less, their impact on the price of a hamburger so small, that we are simply not in competition for our trivial needs.

2. They control the means of production. It's funny as hell that people steeped in Marxism fail to understand what that means. It means that, while it's an iffy proposition for them to set prices, external factors, operating on their costs, set prices for them. It's not a conspiracy; it's common action driven by reality. Think here of that proverbial shitheel shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater. No conspiracy is needed to set people racing for the door, the threat is enough. The reality is that their tax is just another cost to them, like energy, rent, maintenance, leasing, raw materials, and the like. And they pass it on, just like any other cost.

As this point I'll save some effort and direct you to go read this: http://www.everyjoe.com/2015/05/04/politics/why-havent-we-entered-into-hyperinflation/#1 and this: http://www.everyjoe.com/2015/05/11/politics/soak-the-rich-increasing-taxes-on-rich-doesnt-work/#1

Blogger Troy Lee Messer April 26, 2017 8:42 PM  

"Thanks to the black robbed tyrants on the SCOTUS, police have no duty to protect which invalidates the whole premise on which law enforcement was built."

That would be Castle Rock v. Gonzales, 545 U.S. 748 (2005).

IMHO, that is when the republic died. SCOTUS breached the social contract. They deserve eternal scorn.

Anonymous Maul Right Rising April 26, 2017 8:43 PM  

This is our goal brother.

Donate to the proud boys, based stick man, darktriadman,and the red elephants.

The loss of berkeley will be a huge huge morale blow to the left.

It is utmost and a no 1 priority of the alt right to force berkeley to bend the knee.

Blogger F.D. Stephens April 26, 2017 8:45 PM  

I can just see chancellor Nicholas B. Dirks catching the last chopper out of Berkeley as the whole place goes up in flames.

Blogger lowercaseb April 26, 2017 8:49 PM  

Tom Kratman wrote:BSM, AKA Kyle Chapman, is trying to get something like that going but, while his heart seems _clearly_ in the right place, I don't know if he has the ultimate capability. I hope he does.

Kyle is an inspiration in the first gen sense. He leads by example, and if you don't follow when he asks I think your genitals would shrivel up and fall off right then and there.

I'm hoping the vets there that they will not be bashful in stepping up as well and give us a practical eye on the situation. We have no problems following and taking orders when to step up and when to pull back.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 26, 2017 8:51 PM  

Oh, and Sig, corporate tax absolutely is tax farming; while the half of SSI paid by employers is reflected in lower wages for employees and higher costs for consumers.

Anonymous Panzer Man April 26, 2017 9:13 PM  

I suspected that was a plant impersonating Andrew Anglin, particularly since the statements were at odds with the recent approach to Coulter on the Stormer.

The trolls are getting wily -- they're starting to impersonate Alt-Right figures to attempt to sow discord.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 26, 2017 9:25 PM  

If you're involved, lowercase, you need training that even the military types are unlikely to have much of.

Blogger Robert Divinity April 26, 2017 9:35 PM  

People are still in a state of mind that leads them to believe there is an "authority" that will stop all this unrest. they voted for law & order after all. When the entire point of ANTIFA is to make their vote meaningless. How do you reach such people?

Images of police smiling as Antifa attack non-violent speech attendees will get their attention eventually. Thinking more about it, the reason Berkeley law enforcement so resisted Coulter was the Alt-Right fought back last time there against the Antifa. It is probable Coulter would have been allowed to go forward if the Antifa could have assaulted at will as the police stood down.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 26, 2017 9:41 PM  

The Alt-Right is still going to Berkeley.

Yes, the people who are going just aren't the type to be chatting about it in the open or on conservative sites. Which is smart, since the conservatives would probably snitch on them -- to prevent violence, y'know.

Blogger The Other Robot April 26, 2017 9:45 PM  

Republicans in Congress are always worried about unanticipated consequences:

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/144519-senate-republicans-worry-regulators-rushing-dodd-frank-regs

Dangling from a lamppost is unanticipated as well.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 26, 2017 10:12 PM  

@133, Well, the Democrats by themselves wouldn't stand a chance against President Trump. The Republicans are just tagging in on their side to try to make it a fair fight.

Blogger frigger611 April 26, 2017 10:17 PM  

Watching Hannity now, which is very painful.

But interview with Ann Coulter -

I believe she is now solidly Alt-Rt, the disillusion with this one is strong

Like us, circa 2002

Blogger lowercaseb April 26, 2017 10:27 PM  

Tom Kratman wrote:If you're involved, lowercase, you need training that even the military types are unlikely to have much of.

Very true...some of the guys are trained troops that are going to do quite well, and some of us are like the volkssturm and do what we can.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 26, 2017 10:33 PM  

no...that's not what I mean. Hmmmm..go read the series that begins with this: http://www.everyjoe.com/2017/01/30/politics/riot-control-discussion-training-effectiveness/#1

See, even if individually trained, your mission is collective combat. it is different



Blogger lowercaseb April 26, 2017 10:56 PM  

Tom Kratman wrote:no...that's not what I mean. Hmmmm..go read the series that begins with this: http://www.everyjoe.com/2017/01/30/politics/riot-control-discussion-training-effectiveness/#1

Thank you! Looks like I have homework.

Blogger John M April 27, 2017 1:11 AM  

Ann Coulter has proven herself to be Ted Cruz; acts tough, promises to be a general and lead the charge, yet when the troops have their arms ready and are awaiting the command she chickens out. It's not that people like her can't be an ally, it's that they can't be trusted to stand their ground when things get tough. So if she doesn't want to lead the charge others will just take over that responsibility from her.

Anonymous Northwest Watching Thing April 27, 2017 2:31 AM  

Tom Kratman, I have previously read your excellent articles on riot control. I see that you recommend rectangle shields for group formations; would smaller, round shields be better for looser formations? (Like what we've seen at previous events)

Blogger lowercaseb April 27, 2017 2:59 AM  

I see what you mean now. They can't give the training we need because we are not members of a cohesive group that has trained together...

I'm glad you are here reminding us "Memento Mori you idiots!"

Blogger Tom Kratman April 27, 2017 7:03 AM  

NWT:

Homemade shield-wise there are three real options. The large round shield is the worst of these, due to all the excess weight and decreased speed from all the material that doesn't cover anything. No, it won't cover your comrades to your left, either, because you're always too thin on the ground. A small round shield, a buckler, basically, trades passive coverage for the bearer _alone_ for speed of active coverage. But speed requires thought, which may be needed to break someone's skull, crush testicles, to give a sucking chest wound, or a crushed larynx. I think you need a lot of training, which means a lot of time, to get proper use from a buckler. The rectangular shield shown in the articles is smallish, but doesn't waste weight, hence speed in action, on anything but the bearer's arm and torso. You can make it bigger; and, indeed, I had them made in three sizes for B-3/5 Inf. It is suitable for loose-ish formations.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 27, 2017 7:04 AM  

@141

That, but they also don't know how because few of them have ever done it to any degree of proficiency.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 27, 2017 7:06 AM  

Few, if any, rather.

Blogger Dirtnapninja April 27, 2017 7:19 AM  

Regardless of what shape you use, your shield should not be too heavy, and should have a center handgrip instead of a forearm strap.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 27, 2017 7:30 AM  

@145:

I had some very long discussions on that subject with Adrian Goldsworthy - personal opinion: the best of Roman Army historians - on the subject of the central grip. My problems with it are multifold. One is that it is a very weak and still tiring grip in an environment where conservation of physical strength is critical. It is very easy to have one's shield ripped away with a single handed central grip. A blow tends to numb or even damage the gripping hand. Moreover, if you look at the fairly famous carving in the Lourve of the Praetorian Guard (you can find an illustration on wiki under "praetorians relief"), it is physically impossible that they're holding their shields by a grip behind the boss. Rather, the only way they can be holding them is via an arm strap and hand grip, somewhere slightly above the center of the shield. Further, if you think of the testudo, a shielded moving formation, it had to be strong enough to stand a centurion jumping up and down on it and a chariot being driven over it. That means not a one handed grip, but an arm grip to provide two points of support and the other hand lifted to provide the third.

Blogger Dirtnapninja April 27, 2017 9:22 AM  

I have alot of experience with both. The center grip allows you extend your shield forwards, cutting down the angles with minimal effort. It allows much more flexibility in terms of positioning. As a bonus, it can be used to punch. It does have the disadvantage of *potentially* being more tiring in a fight and repeated blows can be numbing. But the thing is, for light skirmish style melee we are likely to see, you wont actually take that many blows. Quick exchanges followed by separation. This kind of fighting is more akin to the tribal skirmishes or spanish rodeleros than a prolonged battle between heavy formations

That being said, I am trained in this kind of stuff. My personal fighting style is quite aggressive and active and my opinions are coloured by this.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 27, 2017 9:28 AM  

In and against a mob, anything you can do with an extended arm you can also do with an extended rear arm and a quick step forward. And I'm not talking about indecisive skirmishing, but about closing with and crushing the enemy with decisive, violent, vicious close combat. For mere skirmishing a small buckler with center grip is okay, as I think I said above. For what I mean, though, no.

Anonymous Mr. Rational April 27, 2017 11:38 AM  

@105  Oregon has concealed carry, and IIUC CC licensees are exempt from local open-carry prohibitions.  Imagine the Republicans marching with slung shotguns (loaded with fine birdshot to limit the effective range).  Imagine Klowntifa going after the Republicans and a good number of them winding up dead.

The cancellation of the parade saved Klowntifa from a very devastating public loss.

Anonymous Northwest Watching Thing April 27, 2017 12:53 PM  

@142 Thank you. Exactly what I needed to know.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 27, 2017 4:41 PM  

No sweat. We know a lot about materials for armor that the ancients didn't, but I am pretty sure we don't know as much about design and design coupled with use, within a system, within an environment.

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