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Saturday, April 01, 2017

How is that diversity working out for you?

Not so well, according to Marvel:
Part of it, but I think also it seemed like tastes changed, because stuff you had been doing in the past wasn’t working the same way.  Did you perceive that or are we misreading that?

No, I think so.  I don’t know if those customers with the tastes that had been around for three years really supporting nearly anything that we would try, anything that we would attempt, any of the new characters we brought up, either they weren’t shopping in that time period, or maybe like you said their tastes have changed.

There was definitely a sort of nose-turning at the things that we had been doing successfully for the past three years, no longer viable.  We saw that, and that’s what we had to react to.  Yes, it’s all of that.

Now the million-dollar question.  Why did those tastes change?

I don’t know if that’s a question for me.  I think that’s a better question for retailers who are seeing all publishers.  What we heard was that people didn’t want any more diversity.  They didn’t want female characters out there.  That’s what we heard, whether we believe that or not.  I don’t know that that’s really true, but that’s what we saw in sales.

We saw the sales of any character that was diverse, any character that was new, our female characters, anything that was not a core Marvel character, people were turning their nose up against.  That was difficult for us because we had a lot of fresh, new, exciting ideas that we were trying to get out and nothing new really worked.
I'm sure we're all shocked that She-Thor and SuperBurqahGirl didn't work out for them. Notice that all that equality and diversity didn't bring in any of the much-vaunted diversity market either. It never does. Diversity always destroys, whether it is a society or a comic book series.

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Anonymous Look over there! A dry ice factory! April 01, 2017 7:55 AM  

Years ago, I was at a marketing convention for overseas international films, and at the next table, I overheard the following conversation. Asian film distributor talking to (((American))) executives:

ASIAN FILM DISTRIBUTOR: I'll put it to you bluntly. If you give me a buff white guy with a machine gun, blowing up bad guys, I can guarantee you $200 million. If you give me a buff Asian guy with a machine gun blowing up bad guys, I can guarantee you, maybe $100 million. If you give me a buff black guy with a machine gun blowing up bad guys, then we're talking $50 million, if you're lucky.

The market for buff Asian guys has probably expanded considerably since then, since Asians are now feeling their oats. Nevertheless, Maxwell's equations remain constant....

Blogger J A Baker April 01, 2017 7:57 AM  

The demographic that read comics are a certain type of male (mostly white) who read those comics to get a sort of wish fulfillment out of it; that's why most super heroes are white male "geeks", i.e., Clark Kent, Peter Parker, Bruce Banner, even Iron Man and Bat Man are kind of geeks in a Steve Jobs sort of way, and these geeks like to relate to their heroes; they want to be the "guy" that beats up the bad guy and gets the girl; they don't want to BE the girl; they want to be with her, save her and feel like a man. Why these buffoons didn't understand this universal truth about their core audience proves that they had no business being in the comic book business.

Blogger Chris McCullough April 01, 2017 8:05 AM  

It's a proven fact that comic sales increase by 30% when you put a gorilla on the cover. They should stop wasting time with turning everyone into women and go ape.

Anonymous Faceless April 01, 2017 8:05 AM  

Who trusts them to make a superhero comic well? Who trusts them to repeat, say, the 90s run of McFarlane and the X-men universe? Once they've shown who they really are, there is no expectation they can pretend to be what they repudiated. I certainly don't trust them to turn the clock back 40 years, but I don't think they can turn it back 20 years, either. They hate their history. They hate their fans. They are just like Sam Biddle, Leigh Alexander and the brigade of SJW game journalists - hating their genre, hating their fans, and hoping only to turn that last trick for the false gods of Diversity and Leftism to subvert the thing they hate that is loved by those they hate to indoctrinate those they hate into SJW thralldom.

Marvel should just close the doors on the comic business. Let Disney get five more years out of mining the 80s and 90s comic market, then just close it down. The reason Disney's Captain America was good was because it was a throwback to classic WWII Cap, when he loved his country and he made little boys want to grow up to be an American GI.

Blogger tuberman April 01, 2017 8:09 AM  

Marvel's superficial changes will not reach the bottom line, as the SJWs will sneak in SJW material and so forth. They would have to purge their whole SJW group to turn around. Ha!

Anonymous Faceless April 01, 2017 8:10 AM  

Further, the happy part of this: Diversity is a gimmick. Gimmicks wear out.

Oooh! Black Spider Man!
Oooh! Frog Green Lantern!
Oooh! Female Thor!
Oooh! Horse Thor! (Finally big enough for the Female Thor!)
Oooh! Lesbian kiss! And another Lesbian kiss!

There are other sources of mild titillation. How did Marilyn Manson's career go once he ran out of new shock schlock? Oh, that's right, most people ask - who is he again?

Blogger Franz Lyonheart April 01, 2017 8:13 AM  

We saw the sales of any character that was diverse

Word salad. That nonsensical statement isn't even wrong. We saw what happening with those sales? And what on God's Earth is "a diverse character"?

And those people are publishers? They're hardly literate!

Blogger J A Baker April 01, 2017 8:15 AM  

I'm betting black and white indie comics may become a new fad and even trend. We need good story tellers and halfway decent artists.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart April 01, 2017 8:16 AM  

Diversity is a gimmick.

Diversity macht frei.


Oooh! Frog Green Lantern!

For the Keks!

Anonymous Faceless April 01, 2017 8:17 AM  

@7 Franz

You need your decoder ring!

100% white Iceland = 0% diversity
100% black Rwanda = 100% diversity

100% male Boy Scouts = 0% diversity
100% female Girl Scouts = 100% diversity

100% normal heterosexual = 0% diversity
100% homosexual = 100% diversity

They have a different and particularly punitive definition of diversity. The problem is they rely on the people they want dead to provide them with money to keep up their schtick.

Blogger Krul April 01, 2017 8:17 AM  

"we had a lot of fresh, new, exciting ideas that we were trying to get out and nothing new really worked."

No, you didn't. Taking an established character and changing his race, sex, or orientation is not a "fresh, new, exciting" idea.

And that's the problem. They promoted SJW signaling in place of actual creativity. Customers can tell the difference.

OpenID aew51183 April 01, 2017 8:22 AM  

It appears junior republicans at the state level are starting to grow brains and balls.

They've forced democrats to put votes on record in favor of sharia law: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/31/montana-democrats-vote-against-bill-banning-sharia-law-call-it-repugnant/

Blogger Franz Lyonheart April 01, 2017 8:24 AM  

@10 Faceless

Soo..... Whats Your Decoder ring say about :

Female Homo Boy Scouts... = 300% Diversity

Right?

Blogger J A Baker April 01, 2017 8:24 AM  

You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic comic book nerds--you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people -- now 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks -- they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America.

Blogger Salt April 01, 2017 8:27 AM  

"We saw the sales of any character that was diverse ... people were turning their nose up against."

If all characters were successful, how diverse would that be? Looks like Marvel has been virtuously successful. Why aren't they cheering?

Anonymous BC Monkey April 01, 2017 8:28 AM  

I would pay for a Punisher comic written by Larry Correia. I would pay a lot for that.

Anonymous p-dawg April 01, 2017 8:32 AM  

I saw the new Logan movie. What a depressing mess. Whoever thought it was a good idea to make Wolverine a sad-sack loser and Professor X a whiny bitch should be kicked in the nuts. No way I'm seeing the next Marvel movie.

Anonymous Darth Dharmakīrti April 01, 2017 8:33 AM  

As I said on the other recent comics-related thread, I'm deathly curious what's going to happen in the Marvel Cinematic Universe once they run out of the last batch of well-done material from the 90s and early 00s. It's all she-Thor and dindu Iron (wo)man. Should be plenty of keks.

Anonymous Teapartydoc April 01, 2017 8:33 AM  

I think the limit was reached in the frame where Peter Parker complained to his platonic girlfriend Marianne about his rectal prolapse.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 01, 2017 8:39 AM  

Hiring Nick Spencer to fuck up Captain America was stroke a of genius on Marvel's part.

I've gotten so used to being called a Nazi I could barely figure out what the problem was here.

I was rather surprised that Red Skull and I  seemed to suddenly see eye to eye on so many things, to include using Millennial as suicide bombers.  (*The secret is to tell them they are best and most unique suicide bomber there has ever been.*)  I think Red Skull and I still have major disagreements about free market economics as well as First and very much especially Second Amendment rights, (the Nazis weren't too big on either of those).

But border enforcement and immigration are a different matter altogether.

I thought Hydra was more into superweapons then politics but whatever.

Hail Hydra dudes!!

Blogger Buybuydandavis April 01, 2017 8:39 AM  

As long as they gain power convergence is a no-lose situation for them.

Either they take control of the host or they destroy it.

Blogger Harsh April 01, 2017 8:41 AM  

The comic book market is white males. Cater to that market and your sales will be fine. It's not rocket science.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 01, 2017 8:42 AM  

That's hilarious, that they thought the fact that something sold for three whole years meant that people truly preferred it so they could sell it (and keep getting more extreme with it) forever, instead of a gimmick that people would buy for a short time because it was new and different, before going back to what they really liked.

Or simply the fact that it took consumers three years to realize that the stories and characters they've loved since childhood have consistently been turned to crap according to an agenda. One crappy movie that happens to be diversified might be a fluke; a dozen isn't. Don't buy any stock in the new Star Trek series.

When leftists want something, getting away with it for three years makes it a long-standing tradition in their minds.

Blogger YIH April 01, 2017 8:45 AM  

As I've said, Disney doesn't care. They probably make more per year off one popcorn wagon in one theme park than all of Marvel's comic book sales.
That said, 'experimenting' with stuff like Thorina can't be good for sales.
The classic characters are just that, classic. Tampering with Spidey, Hulk, and of course Thor is worse because comic book newbies come to them expecting certain things - from all the movies, if nothing else. All of which are derived from the 'Silver Age' Marvel characters. Even the X-men, who's roster changes about as often as a sports team have people come in with certain expectations.
I see what they're doing, just like Archie dying these curveballs get media attention, trouble is, just like Ellen 'coming out', it can only be done once.
Then you have pissed off long time fans, and confused newbies.

Anonymous Mister M April 01, 2017 8:45 AM  

They can keep the SJW ball rolling in the comics for a looooong time. There is a ton of Byrne's work in Fantastic Four, the Simonson Thor stuff... they can do a movie on the transition from the old to the new XMen. The Michelenie / Layton Iron Man storylines. They've been mining some of the high points of the 1980's, but there's a lot more material from around 1977 - 1995 that can be used. Everything Byrne, Miller, MacFarlane, Steranko (1970's) Perez touched turned to gold. Hell, they haven't touched the original Alpha Flight. The SJW's can double or triple down with all of that movie dollar coming in...

Blogger J A Baker April 01, 2017 8:46 AM  

I'm thinking Disney, Marvel, DC is forward thinking here. They don't really care about any of us, we'll all be dead or in nursing homes or living off of Social Security in the next twenty years. No they understand that they are taking a hit right now, but the generations that follow us, a generation who is being primed for an SJW media and who don't read comics, and probably never will, but who do watch movies, tv, and play video games.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 01, 2017 8:54 AM  

Poor comic nerds, little conception on how to play ZFG, instead they play hungry fishy begging to be trolled by the SJW.

Blogger Wanderer April 01, 2017 8:54 AM  

Can't wait for the failing pile of garbage that is the modern AAA gaming industry to finally crash and realize that SJW pandering is bad for business. Used to be a hardcore gamer but nowadays I stick almost exclusively to old stuff from the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s. Many gamers that I know feel the same way, while others just VPN + torrent the new stuff and refuse to pay any money.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 01, 2017 8:58 AM  

That access and other initiatives have meant books that maybe aren't huge sellers can carry on when in the old days, they'd be cancelled. -- Nick Spencer

What that weird little goblin is lying about is the fact that comics haven't reliably turned a profit in decades.

The only reason they are printed at all is to enforce trademarks and copyrights.

Their ad revenue dried up like every other magazine and their advertisers were bottomshelf stuff like Charles Atlas and Sea Monkeys to begin with. In the forties and fifties there was a little money to made from those guys but there sure isn't now.

Comic book writers like Nick Spencer have landed the SJW dream job. They can be as political as they like and they don't have to produce anything that resembles a profit.

It's been that way for a while.

Consequently, "Denny" O'Neil at DC comics was finally left free to pursue his progressive politics.  Give the comicbook SJWs half a chance and they will tell you at length how important and progressive this all was.  That what they were doing, indeed and truly meant something. Most importantly they felt they could finally brag to their other liberal friends in Manhattan about their jobs.

When examining the results the words "embarrassingly laughable" come to mind.  Also the words, "condescending as all fuck."

In addition to, "Stuff White People Like."

Blogger J A Baker April 01, 2017 9:03 AM  

Well, to be honest I haven't read a comic book in over twenty years. Last time I picked up
a comic book Superman died and Batman broke his back; Azreal was a fun Batman.

Anonymous AmericanGraffiti April 01, 2017 9:04 AM  

Watched the recent Star Wars Rogue One. So many cliched stereotypes including the inscrutable Asian.

Why not the white guy stereotype as competent action hero?

Also, all the fighter pilots mostly fat and lots of female...but no fat females...

Blogger Cail Corishev April 01, 2017 9:12 AM  

And what on God's Earth is "a diverse character"?

Non-white, non-straight, non-male. If your characters consist of 7 straight white men, one white fag, and two blacks, your work is 30% diverse. If all 10 characters are black, it's 100% diverse. Also, you have to fill a certain quota of blacks (about 20%), or your other diverse characters don't count at all. Don't think you're going to get away with a cast of whites, Asians, and Latinos, no matter how many are perverts! The NBA, for instance, is extremely diverse at 75% black, 23% white, and 2% Latino; while there is much fretting over Major League Baseball's shocking lack of diversity (63% white, 29% Latino, 8% black).

White women are like bonus points; they only count when you have plenty of other diversity. If your characters are 5 white men and their 5 white wives, that's 0% diverse. But if you have 5 characters -- a white man, a white woman, an Asian woman, a black woman, and a black man (the nerdy hacker, of course) -- you might be nearly 80% diverse. It helps if she's a lesbian, or used to be a dude.

Blogger Otto Lamp April 01, 2017 9:14 AM  

"I'm betting black and white indie comics may become a new fad and even trend. We need good story tellers and halfway decent artists."

The big two's model is being disrupted as we type.

1) Amazon has plenty of indy comics available as books and kindle--both cheaper than the big two's prices.

2) Online comic sites where you read for "free", because advertising supports the authors.

Online reading of comics still seems to lack something compared to paper (imho), but when they get that figured out there's no reason you won't see the same thing happen in comics that has happened in every other genre of publishing--small, independents taking over the business.

Anonymous ChicagoRobb April 01, 2017 9:22 AM  

Aw C'mon, you have to like Super Burqah Girl. Woman is raped screaming for help, she throws the first stone at her for being immoral. Gay person dragged to the top of a high building about to be pushed off, she flys up there and does the pushing.
Endless array of sidekicks, as she cannot leave the house alone without a male relative. also needs a driver (base this in Saudi Arabia) as she can't drive a car alone

Anonymous Objective Observer April 01, 2017 9:26 AM  

"Did you perceive that or are we misreading that?

No, I think so."

Am I the only person unable to decipher that response? No, I think so? WTF is that?

Blogger Yarnwinder April 01, 2017 9:28 AM  

She-Thor? Seriously? If you need a female Nordic superhero, why not a Valkyrie? Maybe she is, I dunno. Haven't read a comic in years.

As I recall, women in comics existed as eye-candy and indicated that the hero was heterosexual. They didn't do much on their own.

Blogger Gaiseric April 01, 2017 9:30 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:And what on God's Earth is "a diverse character"?

Non-white, non-straight, non-male. If your characters consist of 7 straight white men, one white fag, and two blacks, your work is 30% diverse. If all 10 characters are black, it's 100% diverse. Also, you have to fill a certain quota of blacks (about 20%), or your other diverse characters don't count at all. Don't think you're going to get away with a cast of whites, Asians, and Latinos, no matter how many are perverts! The NBA, for instance, is extremely diverse at 75% black, 23% white, and 2% Latino; while there is much fretting over Major League Baseball's shocking lack of diversity (63% white, 29% Latino, 8% black).

White women are like bonus points; they only count when you have plenty of other diversity. If your characters are 5 white men and their 5 white wives, that's 0% diverse. But if you have 5 characters -- a white man, a white woman, an Asian woman, a black woman, and a black man (the nerdy hacker, of course) -- you might be nearly 80% diverse. It helps if she's a lesbian, or used to be a dude.

Yeah, everyone's tired of Marvel blackwashing, brownwashing and pinkwashing the characters that they love. Funny how they always complain about whitewashing, but SJWs always project, naturally.

Of course, all of those white male characters were written by (((Stan Lee))). But for a NYC Jew, Stanley Liebowitz seemed like a decent guy, and he worked in a time when even NYC Jews were OK with America as often as not.

Anonymous Millenium April 01, 2017 9:37 AM  

I'm deathly curious what's going to happen in the Marvel Cinematic Universe once they run out of the last batch of well-done material from the 90s and early 00s.

Reboots. Gritty reboots....

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 01, 2017 9:47 AM  

Thank God as a white man I am excluded from "diversity."

Blogger DeploraBard April 01, 2017 9:53 AM  

Regroots

Blogger SemiSpook37 April 01, 2017 9:56 AM  

Oddly enough, this point also ties in to other recent news of a global brand and diversity.

The BBC made an announcement yesterday that the new Companion in the upcoming Doctor Who series meets their diversity quotient, being touted as the "first openly gay" Companion. A lot of us have issues with this for a number of reasons:

1. Honestly, nobody but the SJWs who watch and run the show actually care.
2. If they have to announce something like this, it means that they're admitting the character actually sucks.
3. She's not the first. That "honor" goes to one Captain Jack Harkness, played by John Barrowman.
4. This just screams laziness to me on the part of outgoing show runner Steven Moffat. Good riddance.

The irony here is that Moffat created Harkness as a character in the first series of NuWho episode "The Doctor Dances", while that show runner (Russell T. Davies, who's queerer than a three dollar bill, BTW) kept his flamboyance in check and actually rewarded him with his own show, Torchwood, which was AIMED AT ADULTS.

I think most fans will let this slide, since this series is Moffat's swan song, but if the BBC insists on keeping this up, Doctor Who won't even last two more years than they originally planned after this. Is it that hard to tell decent stories without relying on constant gimmicks?

And yes, I'm going to include the eventual changing of the Doctor's gender in that. At least Chibnall was up front about calling the casting request a gimmick. Hopefully the story doesn't force him into a corner.

Anonymous BadThink655321 April 01, 2017 9:59 AM  

VD wrote: Diversity always destroys...

So does inbreeding. Charybdis and Scylla...

Anonymous BBigGayKoranBurner April 01, 2017 9:59 AM  

Instead of converging already existing supers they should make new ones. They could have BigGayKoranBurner, mild mannered murse by day, patrolling the streets in body armor, a luchador mask, & rainbow feather boa by night. Would carry potassium permanganate & bacon grease to set korans aflame.

That was difficult for us because we had a lot of fresh, new, exciting ideas that we were trying to get out and nothing new really worked

A new idea would be have the first issue of Captain African America stop the boston marathon moslems from beheading their 3 gay jew next door neighbors a year before the marathon or stopping moslems from tossing gays off(in a bad way) the roofs of buildings. But they did they safe thing by having him march in a gay pride parade.

that all that equality and diversity didn't bring in any of the much-vaunted diversity market either

That's because dispite being able to use EBT/food stamps card at Taco Bell you can't use it at Borders. Oh wait yes you can because in CA they fought against a law to ban using it in strip clubs.

they want to be the "guy" that beats up the bad guy and gets the girl; they don't want to BE the girl

Marvel's gay magic negro hero Mr Terrific is less butch than his boyfriend.

It's all she-Thor and dindu Iron (wo)man Xhe identifies as (Fe)MAN with this symbol http://science.jrank.org/article_images/ep201102/science/science3692.png

She-Thor? Seriously? If you need a female Nordic superhero, why not a Valkyrie?

Red Sonya wanted a high quality man for a long term relationship

Anonymous Absalom April 01, 2017 10:02 AM  

@36 Marvel has a Valkyrie. Tall with blonde braids, spear, flying horse, so of course she's played by a black in the next THOR film.

Blogger Alexamenos April 01, 2017 10:06 AM  

"sales of any character that was diverse"

Interesting that a single character can be described as diverse.

Blogger Timmy3 April 01, 2017 10:09 AM  

Who needs superheroes? Only western culture does since it is premised on having authorities protecting the people. Diversity means chaos and we already seen that with the Agents of Shield show with Hydra taking over and whites losing. Now only the women ethnic characters can save them.

Anonymous BBGKB April 01, 2017 10:11 AM  

Benefits of DieVerseCity
Woman named Khan sleeps with ape, ape gets disease & dies.
http://projects.jsonline.com/news/2017/3/8/orangutan-death-sparks-fear-about-greater-threat.html

Anonymous Clark April 01, 2017 10:13 AM  

These Giga-corps don't understand that the Media & Establishment's enterprise to brainwash people and turn everybody into SJWs only affected a tiny vocal minority, who has no jobs, no purchasing powers, and that their main hobbies is to have a cult-of-personality blog, vlog, site, facebook or twitter.
Sure, they boast and celebrate when those companies inject the virus of diversity into their products, but that's it, they don't buy, and even if they do, they are (again) a tiny minority. They make themselves (and the media helps) seems bigger and more important than they really are.
Games are suffering this same destiny, with the latest chapter in this novel being Mass Effect: Andromeda. Gamer Gate was and is right, and its legacy as the Catalyst (not the origin) for the fusion of various peoples, from different spheres such as National Socialists, HBDs, NeoReactionaries, Libertarians and true Conservatives/Rightists in general which ended up in the "Alt-right Union".

Their insanity and destruction make us grow stronger.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 01, 2017 10:13 AM  

3. She's not the first. That "honor" goes to one Captain Jack Harkness, played by John Barrowman.

I stopped watching the show about the time it was clear he wasn't a one-time character, so I don't know how far they went with it; but fans of the show on forums were thrilled at the suggestion he was bisexual. All they could talk about was the potential for some Doctor/Captain action; whether his character was interesting or good for the storyline was irrelevant.

If you like discussing a show with other fans online, you've probably seen that before, where the idea that a character is gay (even if he's not, and it's just wishful thinking) becomes an obsession to the point that every mention of the character goes that direction. Obviously not all fans want that, probably not even the majority. But the ones who do are very loud and insistent about it.

Anonymous kfg April 01, 2017 10:18 AM  

" . . . we had a lot of fresh, new, exciting ideas that we were trying to get out . . ."

We're going to need a bigger clue bat.

Anonymous kfg April 01, 2017 10:21 AM  

"So does inbreeding."

Time to start fucking those Maasai out of existence, because the world just isn't diverse enough with them in it.

Blogger John S April 01, 2017 10:22 AM  

Marvel should just close the doors on the comic business. Let Disney get five more years out of mining the 80s and 90s comic market, then just close it down. The reason Disney's Captain America was good was because it was a throwback to classic WWII Cap, when he loved his country and he made little boys want to grow up to be an American GI.

They can't. It takes a long time to plan and shoot a movie. Gotta keep those Intellectual Properties current, goy.

Side note on VD's Castallia Comics™, prices matter. Little Jimmy's allowance doesn't go as far as his dad's did. $4.95 for a 32 page tranny apologia (subtract a few pages for advertising, too), featuring subpar artwork is a real deal killer.

It was becoming hard to rationalize the expense to enjoyment ratio when they were selling for $2 per issue twenty years ago when I stopped bothering... and that was before they became overtly pozzed

Observe what was, before the coming of the pozz (or B.P.):

A little realtalk from The X-men's Kitty Pryde back in the day.

Blogger praetorian April 01, 2017 10:25 AM  

Hail Hydra

Blogger Cail Corishev April 01, 2017 10:26 AM  

Reboots. Gritty reboots....

And giant robots.

And it may work for a long time. Most of these big movies are still making money, even when they're generally panned by critics and fans of the source material. If they can pull in a billion from the international market for a couple of their CGI extravaganzas every year, they'll keep doing it, and so far it's working.

People are also very attached to some source material, and want to see a new version even if they fear there's a good chance it's not good. Disney could probably remake "Beauty and the Beast," "The Lion King," and "The Little Mermaid" on a three-year rotation, and get away with it several times, even with SJW themes added.

Anonymous Jon91919 April 01, 2017 10:27 AM  

@41 SemiSpookIrony

"Is it that hard to tell decent stories without relying on constant gimmicks?"

Oh the sweet irony. This posted on the blog of a guy who, as the head of a publishing house, was so lacking in confidence in the totally awesome story he planned to publish, that he attached a cheap and hilariously inept gimmick to it as a desperate plea for attention against a considerably more popular and successful author.

Oh hey, Teddy, how's that solid proof of my review violating the Amazon terms of service coming along? Or have your own words and actions dug your own grave in trying to prove your case, much like with the other 1 star review from Rev Bob you got so outraged about? Love and kisses!

Blogger Goldeneye April 01, 2017 10:27 AM  

If any of you guys are interested in why the comic book publishing industry has had so many problems, there's an essay by John Workman that you miht find interesting:

http://superversivesf.com/2017/03/14/the-comic-book-crisis-and-what-can-be-done-about-it-by-john-workman/

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 01, 2017 10:30 AM  

Pleas remember: Al Gore's wife- UNELECTED!!!- messed up black and white independent comic books. Stewart on Big Bang Theory is a not-subtle reminder that they can mess up anyone, given the itch.
Black and white independent comics in the 80's, 90s, did things like show free trade, fair trade, nationalism, made fun of PC-ness, had some brains, so lots of different viewpoints, history casually thrown in as background- non- PC, as in Roman glory--

The cover was "for the children"- for things children weren't going to buy. Dems, in their bones, know that their voters really can't read, but really can absorb imagery.

Men lost businesses, families, self-respect, over their livelihood being taken away.

Blogger Jonathan Wales April 01, 2017 10:32 AM  

Doctor Who also. Another show with plummeting ratings.

Blogger BlowMe April 01, 2017 10:38 AM  

You could almost hear this fucktard holding back tears as he explains why their precious diversity bullshit crashed and burned.

Blogger Javier April 01, 2017 10:42 AM  

Mainstream comics have been on suicide watch for a while now. Some of this heroes have almost 80 years old, how many story's can you write in that period of time, without re treading on older material? Its virtually impossible, some characters like sherlock holmes can do it but the context is very different. And this characters at their core were made for younger audiences, fun adventures, vibrant colors. When they started to go mature for the fucking sake of it, it lost all its meaning.

Thats why i usually prefer animated shows over comics, they still target that audience. comics are not aimed anymore to what it used to be their core audience, children. I think this characters have run out of juice for a while now. you cant kill, resurrect and reboot etc and expect people to give 2 shits about consequences. Thats why for example this new SW management is doomed to fail, (besides the horrible management, lack of ideas and SJW virus infecting it), they story have ended, it has a beginning, a middle and an end. Regardless of the quality of some installments , it was a complete story. i disagree profoundly with Lucas politics, but i admire his creative ambition . When he was gone, his story should have gone with him. Im not putting them in the same room, but its like someone else wrote a sequel to lord of the rings. Its a heresy , i wouldnt even consider it more than fan art. All this so called new SW is fan art, and comics have been fan art fora long while, specially after Kirbys passing.

Marvel should call it a quits while they still can, i know their whole brand depends on this characters, but how many times can superman die and people give to shits? not that many

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 01, 2017 10:52 AM  

Yesterday's Google Doodle made it very clear what a diverse character is:

Either crippled, gay googler, jihadist strangling a jew, jew submitting to islam, Churchian lady satanist, brown vaginist, equal black and a holocaust survivor.

Paradise is no country for straight white men. Or, apparently, Native Americans...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/google-doodle-winner-dreams-of-a-future-with-peace-diversity/

Anonymous Bz April 01, 2017 10:54 AM  

Well, they inadvertently did have one good idea.

Hail Hydra.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt April 01, 2017 10:54 AM  

It's just one fad after another, and like all fads, people eventually get fed up with them. I know other eras have had their fads, but the 21st century is just insane with them.

Watch old movies, and you'll see what was preoccupying people then: totalitarianism of some kind or another, first Nazism, then Communism. You can read it as a subtext, but many movies are untouched by it, and were made just to entertain.

Today, there's NOTHING that doesn't carry an overt propaganda message. And our era has a lot more issues to propagandize: environmentalism, sexism, racism, dangerous Christianity, the saintliness of the "Other", ugly finance, menacing corporations, etc. Even the most inane comedy will have at least ONE of these tossed in somewhere. Imagine a lecture on the dangers of Communism in every Three Stooges short, every Fred Astaire/Ginger Rogers comedy, EVERYTHING. That's how oppressive and obsessive the messaging is today.

Once the mood passes, the monuments to all this obsessive virtue-signallying look absurd. It's starting already, with the growing indifference of the public to "climate change". Look at the movies made 10 years ago and marvel at how dated they are already, with their cocksure assertions about impending climate disaster, which have come to nothing. The diversity scam will go the same way.

I even think that the wildly popular Harry Potter books will end up looking as faddy as late 19th-century aestheticism. They come straight from this well of of blank slateism, where racism is the greatest sin imaginable, everyone is equal, and only horrible Nazis disagree and want to kill all the goodthinkers. Oh, and toss in the saintly homos as well. I think 50 years ago, people will still read them (they're not entirely bad), but it'll be like reading 'Tom Brown's Schooldays' - no one believes in the 'Muscular Christianity' that was a driving theme, but we still can appreciate the writing and characters.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt April 01, 2017 10:55 AM  

Fifty years FROM NOW, I mean.

Blogger SemiSpook37 April 01, 2017 10:57 AM  

@49

The hangers-on in the forums tend to be the worst when it comes to stuff like that. I, personally, don't have a problem with it in small doses because, to me, that type of stuff leans heavily on the "fiction" side of things, but if it becomes a major part of the story, I lose interest almost immediately.

Anonymous Bz April 01, 2017 10:58 AM  

That Google doodle looks more like 'a future without tax payers'. Are you sure? Okay then.

Anonymous Look over there! A dry ice factory! April 01, 2017 10:59 AM  

"If you need a female Nordic superhero, why not a Valkyrie?"

Because Brunnhilde is too hard to pronounce.

For pete's sake, everybody should skip present-day comics and just read "Love and Rockets," the only comic that was ever worth reading in the first place. In fact, even skip the tedious "Heartbreak Soup," and head straight for the brilliant and hilarious and touching "Mechanics/Locas," which was by Xaime, not Beto. (Man, I got to hang out with Los Bros at a Comicon one year, and those were some seriously cool dudes. For a long time I had a message from Beto on my answering machine, I kept it for years.)

If the studios had any brains, they'd turn 'Locas' into a movie, or a TV show. A bunch of hip, hilarious SoCal Mexicans who all look mysteriously white and are mysteriously very literate. How diverse can you get?

I call dibs on Hopey; the rest of you can have Maggie, Penny or Isabel.


Anonymous Bz April 01, 2017 11:07 AM  

Harry Potter? Sure, as long as we always remember that Hermione actually was black.

http://time.com/4156751/jk-rowling-black-hermione-granger/
https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2016/jun/05/harry-potter-jk--rowling-black-hermione

Anonymous aegis-1080 April 01, 2017 11:09 AM  

"What Disney is going to do after they run out of non-shit material?"

Uh, reboot? They can do that. See: Spiderman.

Anonymous gxg April 01, 2017 11:11 AM  

I could also see a market for parody SJW comic books. "Stop your evil whiteness!" He/she/it could, for example, toss white kids out of college classes to let a low-scoring diverse students take their places. He/she/it could bust up white neighborhoods, force bathroom integration, or use their super-shaming powers to force white girls into dating black guys. Final panel: white girl living in section-8 housing with a black eye and a slew of half-black babies. The superhero nods superhero-ly. "My work here is done."

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 01, 2017 11:11 AM  

Wanda, the old fads were variations on a theme, not the erasure of that theme.

That is why a Batman fan recognizes tv Batman and Dark Knight Batman as the same character despite the wild creative discrepancies.

But Gay Lady Jihadist Batman would be invisible to the Batman story, because such a thing would be no more a variation on Batman than Dora the Explorer is.

Anonymous Eduardo April 01, 2017 11:12 AM  

Rowling just keeps trying to make Harry more diverse XD

It is fudged up.

Funny I never really cared for race until people obligated me to be raciss cause skin color, congrats suckers, it worked wonders...

Anonymous Bz April 01, 2017 11:12 AM  

"Tall with blonde braids, spear, flying horse, so of course she's played by a black in the next THOR film."

Sweden would like to note that she actually should have been a modestly robed muslim.

Anonymous Look over there! A dry ice factory! April 01, 2017 11:12 AM  

"The diversity scam will go the same way."

I 'unno, man, the way things are going, I think white people will go that way before diversity does.

You can read these fucking people like the worst poker player in the world. In the google doodle, of COURSE the cute red-headed white chick has to be standing next to the black dude and the Indian dude. Good lord, if we showed an actual white couple....AUSCHWITZ!!!!!11!

Anonymous BBGKB April 01, 2017 11:15 AM  

She's not the first. That "honor" goes to one Captain Jack Harkness, played by John Barrowman

Cpt Jack screwed everything and got his own DR Who spin off called Torchwood. One of the plots in Torchwood was selling the bottom stupidest 10% of UK children to aliens for their pleasure, yet they only showed white kids being shipped off for sale when it would have been all dieversecity https://infogalactic.com/info/Torchwood:_Children_of_Earth

OT:Doctor Who gets first gaynigga companion, outed in second line of script. @VoxDat @Heartiste

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-39444025

Anonymous two crows April 01, 2017 11:16 AM  

I stopped reading DC when they announced the lesbification of BatGirl. Which young man who grew up when I did watching Batman TAS see her in a much different way? Honestly this was just after or during the fantastic Blackest Knight story arc but I only got bits and pieces because I only purchased the Batman related comic titles so it didn't make any sense to me. Plus I was getting into X-men. I'm sorry I can't purchase 6 comics a week for 6 months, especially when a single comic didn't even act as one act.

I was still reading Vertigo at the time, then DC bought them. I kept reading Fables for a while after that, until they lost me their consistent retconning. I understand retconning something years old, but don't make the culmination of a story arc the self-sacrifice of a king and then at the very end have an oops, he didn't die after all, and have him be a bit character in the very next story, like the two authors didn't even talk to each other until the last two pages.

As for X-men after DC's success with blackest knight they tried to boost sales by spanning stories across multiple comics. I'm sorry but after one week I spent $50 on comics I couldn't justify spending that much on a limited income. Plus Wolverine was schizo being in 3 comics in different parts of the world at the same time.

I've got more to say about comics. How they transitioned from bottom shelf at grocery store checkout isle to weird shops shows their lack of appeal.

Anonymous dagwood April 01, 2017 11:19 AM  

@70 That's not a comic book, that's everyday reality.

I can't wait for the reboot of "Frozen," the whitest (and best) movie of the past ten years, where Elsa is a gay amputee black man who "identifies" as a Nordic snow queen (with sub-par cryogenic test scores), Anna is played by Chow Yun-fat, Olaf is a mud pie, and the only white man is Kristoff, who is an ugly bumbling retard. I'm sure that will generate $1 billion+ in business. Hotcha!

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky April 01, 2017 11:20 AM  

I tried to get my boys into comics, couldn't do it. Both comic book stores near us carried nothing appropriate for minors, except for Archie comics which everybody always despised as far as I can tell. The hangers-on at these stores tended to be heavily tatted, gauge-eared, body-scarred freakazoids to boot.

The one grocery store that carried comics on the racks stopped. There was no product. We're going on two generations of youth now whose only connection to comics comes through movies. That's the only thing keeping the industry afloat, the only sign of hope for the future. And those movies are a Hollywood fad getting long in the tooth.

Anonymous Bz April 01, 2017 11:21 AM  

Despite the move to BBC One, [Torchwood] was cut from a standard thirteen-episode run to just five, something that lead actor John Barrowman felt was almost like a "punishment" from the BBC.

In other words, he quite enjoyed it but it should have been harsher.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 01, 2017 11:23 AM  

Archie Comics are not appropriate for children. Archie was shot to death while defending a Marine's gay wedding.

No. I am not joking.

Anonymous Be Deplorable, Not Afraid April 01, 2017 11:38 AM  

As far as Marvel goes, I don't even see most of the Marvel movies in the theater anymore, and buying them used from Redbox is fine with me. And Moffat's so wrecked Doctor Who that we decided at the end of last season to not even bother watching this one.

The bigger picture is the SJW colonization of institutions, and the tactics they're using to change or destroy them. If the SJWs are successful with their diversicomics (or openly gay Dr. Who companions of color), they win. On the other hand, if they merely destroy an institution beloved by pale nerds, they also win.

It's interesting watching the scorched earth tactics in this war of, and against, ideas. As the Dark Lord says, the battle must be waged during the stages of entryism, though it's a very difficult battle to fight, for us on the ground.

Blogger RM Chris April 01, 2017 11:40 AM  

Exception to the rule: When they put a gorilla wearing a super-suit on the cover. Like the recent gorilla Iron Woman.

Blogger DeploraBard April 01, 2017 11:42 AM  

I have all the Marvel runs through the 80s and 90s. Probably 20 boxes. The day Northstar was revealed to be gay, I never bought another one. Fucking idiots.

Anonymous BBGKB April 01, 2017 11:49 AM  

Things are so bad now that leftists even need to use threats to converge Gay Pride events in NYC.

Puffs pushed around by leftists, article says the resistance groups said they would be upfront in the parade, period, or they'd "make sure the event had arrests". Sounds like the agreement reached was "please don't turn this into Berkeley"
http://gaycitynews.nyc/hop-accedes-resistance-demand/

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 01, 2017 11:49 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:Reboots. Gritty reboots....


Reboots, gritty reboots...
What kind of kids read gritty reboots?
Fat kids, skinny kids,
kids who climb on rocks,
tough kids, sissy kids,
even kids with chicken pox, love
reboots, gritty reboots...
The comics worn out creative types with no new ideas love to write.

Anonymous Godfrey April 01, 2017 11:55 AM  

Modern comics are boring and pointless. Casual dating, casual relationships, casual sex, casual lives. It reflects the times in which we live. No love. No passion. No virtue. No meaning. No purpose. It's a sterile dying world that Superman couldn't even save even if he somehow found the motivation to try.

Blogger J A Baker April 01, 2017 11:58 AM  

I think indies should release all episodes in their story arcs in a singles issue like Netflix does so readers can binge read. Just count the number of episodes and charge a dollar for each, 12 to thirteen dollars.

Anonymous Gen. Kong April 01, 2017 11:58 AM  

This is part of an endlessly repeated theme. The "one foot in the grave and the other on a banana-peel" long applied to (((fake news))) is now being applied to completely converged entities such as Marvel (Disney) and DC Comics (Time-Warner). Boo-hoo.

The SJWs who control these operations have no reason to stop their doubling-down because (just like the Carlos Slim bold and the Jeff Bezos blog) - they're (((connected))) to the counterfeiting machine. Too big to fail, in other words. Profitability is not really a priority because it does not actually have to be and erasing YT is far, far more important besides.

As VD noted in a darkstream about alt-tech, we all to a degree are guilty of supporting and funding entities whose intent is our extermination instead of spending our time and efforts creating alternatives. Marvel and DC are not going to alter their propaganda mission even if they lose money because of the fact that Time-Warner and Disney - both SJW converged and largely controlled by a (((genocidal enemy))) are not about to allow them to stop producing the propaganda.

As someone above noted, Disney probably makes enough profit from theme-part popcorn stands to keep Marvel's propaganda program running for decades. These spawn-of-Satan are not going to be reformed or redeemed, nor will they ever repent. The only thing to be done is to work to hasten their destruction and the destruction of their parent corporations. Our failure is in not realizing they are enemies dedicated to our extermination. Death to them all.

Anonymous Spectrum April 01, 2017 12:00 PM  

Bosch bashing DC
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JHc_00Pmw1c/UzJ4Wl94zfI/AAAAAAAAQAU/FrEg0DMXWvI/s1600/Superman+Submits.png

Anonymous Opus April 01, 2017 12:10 PM  

I really have not paid too much attention to The Doctor since Bill Hartnell authored the role, and as I recall, he kept his 'niece' who had a fine line in Rorsach drawings and who claimed that there were mistakes as to French Revolution in her History Text Book, locked in a Police Box situate in a Junk Yard. A male teacher who had an unusually detailed knowledge of Teenage pop-music (thus setting off my Pedo-dar) felt the need to stalk the niece and for cover brought along a female teacher from the Secondary Mod where they taught. That at least is how I now see the very first and only really interesting episode. Naturally, the ramifications of this could not be brought out on children's television. I, thus, see The Doctor as a pervert or perhaps sexually repressed - wandering round the Universe with scantily clad posh-totty such as the Honourable Mrs Dawkins and local-lass Miss Jameson.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 01, 2017 12:15 PM  

Modern artists and composers have been trying to push this dyscivilizational crap for well over a century now, and they're still doing it. Not sure this will dissuade Marvel, but if it collapses, so much the better.

Anonymous Man of the Atom April 01, 2017 12:36 PM  

J A Baker wrote:I'm betting black and white indie comics may become a new fad and even trend. We need good story tellers and halfway decent artists.

No, you need *REALLY* good artists if you want to do Black & White vs Color. Color (and especially Photoshop effects) cover over a multitude of sins you can't hide in B&W.

Blogger Al Smith April 01, 2017 12:46 PM  

I did hear a funny "diversity market" pitch a while back.

Intel was PRing how they had spent like a 100 million on some new black and Hispanic recruitment effort, explaining that they needed such people designing chips because only they would have the wisdom to understand how to design chips for their future customers (blacks and hispanics).

Anonymous Godfrey April 01, 2017 12:51 PM  

Marvel "heroes" are usually all establishment/NWO/Globalist/UN defending hacks. They're all enforcers of the status quo.

In reality if there was a individual with some sort of super powers the global elites would consider him a villainous threat and attempt to either control or kill him.

Anonymous Basket of Deplorables April 01, 2017 1:07 PM  

Vox, I assume Cerno taped the whole 60 minutes interview...could you please ask Cerno to put it on youtube? I would love to watch the punching back and forth, and I think it would really help any proto-alt-righters who got a sliver of a red pill from his exposure.

Anonymous Fine Ham Abounds April 01, 2017 1:10 PM  

It wouldn't be so bad to make Thor a chick if they didn't also go rabidly so feminist. Back in the late 70s, there was an issue of What If that pondered Jane Foster finding Thor's hammer. It was entertaining. Fast-forward three decades, and a similar scenario sucks arse due to SJW dogma. The Left can only destroy, not create.

Blogger alt-deplorable.jezko April 01, 2017 1:13 PM  

(non-)marvel (disney et al.) will never completely give up the agenda. even if they start producing content for 'nazis', they need to be ignored and die. it's just a tactical and temporary retreat.

i can't attribute this, but we don't start fights, we finish them. never another dollar & no quarters.

Blogger lowercaseb April 01, 2017 1:15 PM  

Proving that there are adults in Marvel and that they are businessmen at heart. This gladdens me.

Not that we shouldn't continue full steam with the Castalia comic project. I'll still support that.

Domus Castalia omnia vincit!

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 01, 2017 1:17 PM  

Marvel answered this question at CNN Money less than one year ago:

Do you feel that having more diversity in comics is ultimately bringing a bigger audience to Marvel?

Most definitely. Seven to nine years ago, we did not have the roster in terms of even female led comics out there. Now, we're up to about 20 female led comics. That is a big sign of how the times have changed. We didn't have them before because we couldn't sell them, quite frankly. There's been more of an awareness of the Marvel brand and the Marvel characters globally, and we've been able to experiment with a really rich library of heroes.

Simultaneously, it's opened a lot of doors. When we were putting out Ms. Marvel [Kamala Khan, who Amanat was a co-creator of], we knew that this was an amazing opportunity to have people come into comic shops, and not just because they were excited about the character, but because of what they represent and what it means. That's what we saw, and that's what we continue to see.

....

That idea detonated faster than a suicide bomber...

Anonymous Man of the Atom April 01, 2017 1:21 PM  

Marvel hasn't had an idea of real value since Stan sold out in 1968. You could see the writing on the wall for the company when Steve Ditko and Jack Kirby left. It's been downhill from there as far as writing and art quality; they lost the reason why the comics spoke to their audience.

Blogger Michael Maier April 01, 2017 1:24 PM  

I love that the whole "reason" for Tit-less-Thorina (JANE FOSTER? WTFF?) is that Nick Fury whispered:

"You're a dick"

in Thor's ear.

Yup. That's why Thor was instantly "Un-worthy".

Check. Not making this up.

Anonymous Godfrey April 01, 2017 1:27 PM  

Back in the day I always enjoyed the "lone-wolf" characters. Now everything is some government agency sanctioned team. You really can't get good individual character development in a team mag.

Blogger Jon D. April 01, 2017 1:28 PM  

I read the last bit to my wife and said "well of course not, you won't read a superhero beat up book just cuz it's Iron-Girl and not Iron-Man. So they're turning off their audience for no one."

She says "and neither will the feminists, because they don't read."

My wife is the best :)

Blogger lowercaseb April 01, 2017 1:32 PM  

Bz wrote:Harry Potter? Sure, as long as we always remember that Hermione actually was black.

http://time.com/4156751/jk-rowling-black-hermione-granger/

https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2016/jun/05/harry-potter-jk--rowling-black-hermione



I think I saw Black Hermione back in '77. It was in a double feature with Cleopatra Jones and the Casino of Gold.

Anonymous Scintan April 01, 2017 1:36 PM  

Krul wrote:"we had a lot of fresh, new, exciting ideas that we were trying to get out and nothing new really worked."

No, you didn't. Taking an established character and changing his race, sex, or orientation is not a "fresh, new, exciting" idea.

And that's the problem. They promoted SJW signaling in place of actual creativity. Customers can tell the difference.


Absolutely. They see limited run ideas work, and they think they can make them permanent, and that's rarely going to happen. People are fine with Beta Ray Bill for a while, but they want the real Thor back eventually.

p-dawg wrote:I saw the new Logan movie. What a depressing mess. Whoever thought it was a good idea to make Wolverine a sad-sack loser and Professor X a whiny bitch should be kicked in the nuts. No way I'm seeing the next Marvel movie.

Different studios own different Marvel properties. Disney Marvel's doing the MCU. Fox is the one using most of the X-Men. It makes a difference. Disney's all about the SJW, but they've found a basic formula for making MCU movies that work for the masses.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 01, 2017 1:42 PM  

Back in the late 70s, there was an issue of What If that pondered Jane Foster finding Thor's hammer.

I never got into comic books, even as a kid, but even I know they did crossovers and experimental stuff like that back in the 1970s or earlier. But it appears that the difference is those were diversions -- they did it for a few issues to draw attention, and then went back to normal. But now, if they make Iron Man a black Muslim lesbian, does anyone think he will ever be a straight white male again? If you're not sure, just look at that Google doodle. Or watch IT commercials on TV, where every IT guy seems to be black now.

These aren't diversions now; they're takeovers. They'll move in only one direction, as long as they can afford to.

Anonymous Raptor disrespect from behind April 01, 2017 1:46 PM  

When it comes to diversity and comics, Dave Chapelle is good in my book.
https://vimeo.com/69939048

Blogger Wanda Sherratt April 01, 2017 1:49 PM  

I think I saw Black Hermione back in '77. It was in a double feature with Cleopatra Jones and the Casino of Gold.

Heh. Sounds like a good name for a band: The Black Hermiones.

Anonymous Man of the Atom April 01, 2017 1:52 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:Back in the late 70s, there was an issue of What If that pondered Jane Foster finding Thor's hammer.

I never got into comic books, even as a kid, but even I know they did crossovers and experimental stuff like that back in the 1970s or earlier. But it appears that the difference is those were diversions -- they did it for a few issues to draw attention, and then went back to normal. But now, if they make Iron Man a black Muslim lesbian, does anyone think he will ever be a straight white male again? If you're not sure, just look at that Google doodle. Or watch IT commercials on TV, where every IT guy seems to be black now.

These aren't diversions now; they're takeovers. They'll move in only one direction, as long as they can afford to.


Actually, this kind of crap has been a staple since about 1974. Another character assumes the established superhero identity due to "death" or other personal crisis of superhero. [Captain America / Nomad & Green Lantern as John Stewart were some of the first.]

The fans tolerate it for a while, then begin to walk away as it invariably becomes boring -- always a "message" with these changes. When it began to impact sales, the company then walked it back.

The question here is whether Disney will pull their normal SJW and direct Marvel to continue to double down in the face of falling sales, or if the 3rd-string talent in the editorial staff (watching the Tumblr-level talent in the Bullpen) at Marvel is allowed control and chooses to correct course.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 01, 2017 1:58 PM  

Exactly. If Marvel were really peddling new ideas that they were really excited about their sales wouldn't have suffered so.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 01, 2017 2:06 PM  

Around 2010 or 11 I had botched my interest in the video game market had wained. To me games had starts becoming stale. It wasn't until gamergate that I realized the reason why.

Anonymous CitizenOutkast April 01, 2017 2:43 PM  

This is really a good thing, though. Now, with characters like GhettoIronSlut, all of these young black men who react to books like they were made of Kryptonite will suddenly be instilled with a love of reading starting with these comics.

Let's see how you laugh when DeQuan and Bobofeesha are reciting Shakespearean sonnets on Broadway in a few years directly as a result of seeing IronMoochelle on the comic they accidentally stole while robbing a drug store.

Thank you, Marvel.

Blogger Gapeseed April 01, 2017 2:44 PM  

p-dawg wrote:I saw the new Logan movie. What a depressing mess. Whoever thought it was a good idea to make Wolverine a sad-sack loser and Professor X a whiny bitch should be kicked in the nuts. No way I'm seeing the next Marvel movie.

I had the complete opposite reaction - I loved Logan, which is a fine Western dressed up in future mutant garb. I could offer a more detailed defense, but it would include spoilers.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper April 01, 2017 2:46 PM  

And the thing is the problem is literally caused by diversity and diversity alone.

On a somewhat lefty friends suggestion I gave the Muslim Ms. Marvel comic. The writing wasn't bad compared to say Iron Man Extremis (I say the motion comic and its utter prog shit) its just haven't any reason anyone who care about it other than SJW's.

Even my friend who was a bit pozzed by college and cucky like LDS can be at times (not too much, we were still friends) only thought it was eh.

Comics in the American superhero format are mostly supposed to be for young white guys with a smattering of other groups. Its crept up in age because the geekiness in our culture but the typical reader was like high school age.

Diversity however means less of that and less of a market and the natural traits in a market means, something one group likes, won't appeal to other groups.

Posturing leftards however aren't smart enough to understand that though Hollywood is occasionally since BIG money is only the line

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 01, 2017 2:52 PM  

She-Thor? Seriously? If you need a female Nordic superhero, why not a Valkyrie?

Because they were absolutely and in all ways bound and determined to change Thor's gender. Marvel was very clear about doing that. They were quite proud of themselves in that silly, supercilious SJW way.

They got to pretend that they done something really truly important, instead of just making themselves look stupid as fuck the same as usual.

Anonymous Man of the Atom April 01, 2017 3:04 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:She-Thor? Seriously? If you need a female Nordic superhero, why not a Valkyrie?

Because they were absolutely and in all ways bound and determined to change Thor's gender. Marvel was very clear about doing that. They were quite proud of themselves in that silly, supercilious SJW way.

They got to pretend that they done something really truly important, instead of just making themselves look stupid as fuck the same as usual.


They absolutely do not have the self-awareness or brain-power to know the difference. This leads to a stunningly high number of "stupid as fuck" moments.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 01, 2017 3:09 PM  

@113

When you are 35 years old you look at yourself at 20 and think. I am not that different, if this is getting old I can handle it no problem. Just hit the gym harder.

You can't be as good as you once were but you can be as good as you ever were once...in a while.

When you hit 48 (Jackman's age) you know bone deep that that is not the deal anymore. No matter how hard you hit the gym, it's all going to end someday. You can't be as good as you once were ever again.

This movie was all about giving Hugh Jackman's version of Wolverine a fitting send off while he could still carry off the extreme physicality required by the performance.

It's been 17 years since Jackman first donned the claws, he's had a damn good run but it's over. I'm glad the guys that run 20th Century Fox were willing to give Jackman's portrayal a proper closure.

Blogger RootBeerMaster April 01, 2017 3:11 PM  

I don't think Diversity was really the problem, the problem was that SJWs ruined the books. By getting rid of all the Classic heroes and replacing them,and then by writing stories about how ALL WHITE STRAIT MEN are SUPERVILLENS. that and bad writing. While i think comics do need more diversity, marvel just handled this wrong.

Ms. Marvel and Miles (Spider-man) seem to have worked because they didn't replace the classic heroes. But when all your books are white men are evil and white men by a lot of your product what did they think was going to happen.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 01, 2017 3:13 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:She-Thor? Seriously? If you need a female Nordic superhero, why not a Valkyrie?

Because they were absolutely and in all ways bound and determined to change Thor's gender. Marvel was very clear about doing that. They were quite proud of themselves in that silly, supercilious SJW way.

It was not enough to have a superheroine. They had to destroy a superhero.

It's not enough to take control. It's not enough to have power. They have to utterly destroy White males.

That'll show Dad. He can't tell them who they can fuck and who they can't.

Blogger Michael Maier April 01, 2017 3:27 PM  

LOGAN sucks. They made Prof X & Wolverine into PATHETIC men. Prof. X is a dick in his lucid moments too? Wolverine is a junkie loser LIMO DRIVER? Really? HIS skill set, he's a driver for drunk Vegas assholes?

No. LOGAN is a pathetic and undignified end for the incarnation of X-Men that was only good (for the 1st two X-films, the rest blow except for DEADPOOL) because it took the characters and situations seriously.

It felt like the two stars, the director and the writers ALL had the attitude of Harrison Ford killing off Han Solo. "We're sick of this shit, just let's get it over with."

Blogger VD April 01, 2017 3:50 PM  

While i think comics do need more diversity, marvel just handled this wrong.

You're totally wrong. Saying anything needs more diversity is like telling someone they need more cancer.

Diversity is societal cancer.

Anonymous Godfrey April 01, 2017 4:02 PM  

Old School Debate

Rank final fight club tournament standings of the following characters (given in alphabetical order): Batman, Black Panther, Captain America, Daredevil, and Iron Fist.

I have many fond childhood memories thoroughly discussing, debating, analyzing, and arguing such deep philosophical questions to no satisfactory end.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey April 01, 2017 4:04 PM  

@62
The fire rises.

Anonymous Godfrey April 01, 2017 4:04 PM  

My rankings:

1 Cap
2 Batman
3 Iron Fist
4 Black Panther
5 Daredevil

Chew on that boys.

Anonymous patrick kelly April 01, 2017 4:05 PM  

"I had the complete opposite reaction - I loved Logan, which is a fine Western dressed up in future mutant garb."

That was also my take on it, but I don't read comics or have much investment in any of the characters or back stories. The only X men movie I saw was the first one.

The only thing about Logan that gave me wtf moments were the x kids, but that was only a minor annoyance for me.

Anonymous Random American April 01, 2017 4:19 PM  

Admittedly , I'm not the biggest comic book fan, and I do think it's a little silly to allow oneself to be trolled by dim-bulb parasites so they can make "controversy" bux, but.....

Maybe "diversity" is just a marketing gimmick to many, with the bonus of trolling their "enemies" for profit, but there is most certainly an undercurrent of real hatred there.

Female Thor was mentioned above, but even that's not enough. We have to have the archetypal strong white male turned into a woman, and then have her get all loved-up by Captain Dindu-American (as we all know, Black America is the only REAL America, right?).

If I'm not mistaken, didn't a gay hispanic come up with the whole idea? Definitely someone with issues, anyway.

"Diversity" enforcers try to shoehorn Africans, Muslims and others into every "white" mythology/history. I remember seeing something about some BBC show where there's now a black Lancelot? It can't be a modest role, it has to be "Where da white Queen-Lady at? Look at me, I'm the best non-existent Sir Dindu in all of England!"

Sales gimmick or not, for the "true believers", it isn't even about "diversity" or lifting up minorities, it's about hatred. An undercurrent of undeniable genocidal hatred, even if only expressed in lame absurdities. It can't ever just be an honest leveling of the playing field as claimed, it's about taunting, domination, submission, and replacement, from genes to founding mythologies. Self-hating white SJW's and hateful "SJW's of Color", doing the only thing they do well...hating anything that represents a healthy, confident white existence that they can never seem to create for themselves.

Anonymous Fine Ham Abounds April 01, 2017 4:20 PM  

4 Black Panther

The kang of the most technological-advanced nation on Da Earf, located in Sub-Sahara Africa.

(Dr. Evil)Right...(/Dr. Evil)

Anonymous Godfrey April 01, 2017 4:20 PM  

How about a comic book character who...

Investigates and fights child trafficking/blackmailing rings that have ties to powerful people in DC?

Or who fights ISIS and discovers that they're really mercenaries funded and supplied by deep state elements within the US, Israeli, and Saudi governments?

Or who discovers that there is a massive depopulation conspiracy amongst the wealthiest people on the planet who have in their possession the greatest super weapon of all... the ability to create money from nothing?

Blogger JP April 01, 2017 4:32 PM  

It's worth it to check out the Witcher series. A small Polish game company cleaned the clock of all the AAA companies by putting out something far better and more content-loaded.

And because it's Polish, there's zero fucks given. One of the central plots is how all the peasants are racist towards the elves... and they're right to be!

Blogger DonReynolds April 01, 2017 4:51 PM  

Note too....that ALL of this "diversity" is in One Direction. Of course, it was not diversity that was the goal all along.
Deliberate variety and diversity would spill as much one way as the other.
But of course, "diversity" has never been about mixing anything, or variety, or proportionate representation. It has only been about anti-white male, even when much of the audience is exactly that.
WE NEVER hear about the need for "diversity" in the NBA, or the NFL, or MLB, or boxing. We only seem to celebrate "diversity" when it comes to golf, or tennis, or country music.
Recently, one of the NBA team owners was forced to sell his franchise....Mr. Donald Sterling, and immediately the cry went up for "diversity" in team ownership. (Notice, that died out pretty quickly?)

Anonymous Look over there! A dry ice factory! April 01, 2017 5:04 PM  

Anybody here dig "Bone"? That was good for a while. And "THB" was good for about six issues, until Paul Pope began to think he was the koolest guy in the world and it got tedious.

I always hated comic books as a kid. Me and my brother used to buy them, just so we could create funny, hate-filled parodies of them. So now they're creating an entire new genre of stuff for white kids to hate and parody, which is healthy for the white kids, they'll suss it out, it gives them a scratching post to sharpen their claws and exercise their wit.

As the centurion told Charlton Heston in the epically gay Ben Hur: Hate is good. It keeps a man alive.

Anonymous Walter April 01, 2017 5:12 PM  

That "alt right comics" idea keeps sounding better and better!

Blogger Wormwood April 01, 2017 5:14 PM  

They went for a new market and it didn't materialize. That pink haired fan girl market wasn't nearly as large as they hoped it would be. The average feminist, having achieved her goals, moved on to the next crusade without bother to purchase any comics.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 01, 2017 5:14 PM  

Godfrey, this was settled years ago in the UCW ring that I made in the basement. Used Marvel Superheroes rules from TSR.

Now, we had to make up stats for the DC guys, and that would have influenced things.

Surprisingly, Daredevil did better in a cage match than in an open arena, and Cap without the shield is less formidable, esp. in close quarters/cage.

Black Panther was good in event contests, but as a whole, not so much.

We cheated for Batman: he almost exclusively fought in Thunderdome matches, and usually won those, esp. Battle royales.

Blogger Robert What? April 01, 2017 5:16 PM  

You can't build a business trying to appeal to Progressives. They only spend other people's money: not their own.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 01, 2017 5:24 PM  

Grrlbusters showed how much feminists will spend to support their politics: about a third as much as you spend to market it to them.

Anonymous Godfrey April 01, 2017 5:59 PM  

@134

And here I was thinking I should move Iron Fist up to the 2 slot and drop Batman down to 3. Not sure now.

Anonymous instasetting April 01, 2017 6:03 PM  

Yes, Walt Simonson's Thor was superb. I like Thor in the Avengers, but in the comic books, he was always kinda lame, except for the mythic work done by Simonson.

A not as brilliant, but still decent book was Prophet by Image, which had an Old Testament quoting hero bashing baddies with an atheist dwarf sidekick.

Anonymous Silly but True April 01, 2017 6:09 PM  

@Godfrey: "My rankings:

1 Cap
2 Batman
3 Iron Fist
4 Black Panther
5 Daredevil

Chew on that boys."

That according to science and God Almighty is the only correct rank.

Anonymous One Deplorable DT April 01, 2017 6:22 PM  

So...does this mean they will never have a 300 pound, blue haired, lesbian Iron Womyn who uses her plus sized suite to punish the evil patriarchs at Protein World?

Anonymous Godfrey April 01, 2017 6:31 PM  

@139

Yes, "according to God Almighty and science", but what about our host? What would be his ranking? That my friend may go unanswered.

Blogger tz April 01, 2017 6:34 PM  

No one wants to consume "progressive art", even when it doesn't look like someone regurgitated sushi on a football. That is why we need to dump the CPB, NEA, and NEH

The key problem is the backstory. Sorry, a 15 year old black girl is NOT going to be able to do her own IronMan suit, nor end up at MIT. Barring some successful Nigerian 419 scam family, it can't be. One can ask if it should be, but maybe she is from Dormamu's dark universe or something.

As to the LGBTQ stuff, it is generally irrelevant if there is no person to win the heart-of, no Mary Jane, no Lois Lane, not even a Steve Trevor. OK, the character is "gay" but less than two dimensional.

It would be potentially interesting if a new character coming from an asexual or hermaphrodite planet arrives, and there was an honest story line and arcs. But no, they, in SJW fashion, just tack on virtue signalling labels.

It is that bad or worse. I can even imagine a "gay" green lantern that was an artist, architect, with a very creative backstory (think graphic arts Milo), but instead of creating a greater and transcendent character, they become a flat cardboard cut-out carrying a rainbow flag. You can't relate, or even care if they live or die.

Also they could try to LGBTQisze the villians. What is often unappreciated is that the villian makes the hero. Batman is only interesting because of the Joker, Penguin, Catwoman and the rest. Games aren't fun in "god mode". But the tendency is to create shallow politically motivated hitler-trump clones that aren't really a threat.

(Maybe Castalia can watch a few role-playing things with really good villians and do new works based on that).

If there was a proper criticism of the early comics, it was the unreality of an ideal society and that the hero always won. But now everything has become bland and there aren't even conflicts that make me care who wins. The typical comic is Jeb! v.s. Hillary.

Blogger Rhonda * wildcard April 01, 2017 7:21 PM  

There are a lot of issues in the comic industry and I doubt very seriously that the Marvel guys have a clue as to what’s really going wrong.

SJWs don’t speak with their wallets, they’re too poor. They scream and point at injustices in comics without being comic readers.

An SJW reviewer slaughtered the first “Wonder Woman” output (issue #36, “War Torn”) from duo Meredith and David Finch calling the Finches “ignorant,” Meredith’s story “moody”, and David’s drawings “lechery.” Either the reviewer didn’t know how to read comics or she simply had an agenda because the review was ignorant.

Big comic houses also do an annoying ‘reboot’ whenever they need to breathe life back into their titles. That’s happened a lot in the past 5 years and it’s a problem.

“Ms. Marvel” was a very good comic. The fact that she was Muslim really didn’t matter. It started as an origin story and became a coming of age story and I think it was done well. It all fell apart when Marvel introduced Civil War ($$).

There’s also a tough balance for writer’s to make things interesting and maintain some canon integrity.

She-Thor is really good but, from the beginning, I had no expectations Thor would stay female. It’s interesting to explore the idea of Thor not being worthy and who, if any one, could pick up the hammer—for a time. What’s tedious, though, is now there are two titles, “The Mighty Thor” and “The Unworthy Thor” and that there’s more than one hammer!

The art in comics today is phenomenal with rare exception.

Everyone keeps saying the industry is failing but all the statistics I see show sales growing every year. Comics have changed dramatically. They are for adults and priced for adults. The industry might make some new adult fans but the comic book trend will taper off soon as soon as millennials and hipsters move on to something else. The industry is flooded with new titles and I expect sales to drop when this bubble bursts.

Men do still outnumber women consumers in comics but the numbers aren’t insignificant. Conservatively, women make up about 40%. Comic houses can’t ignore that. But I don’t think it’s the female consumers (actually paying for comics) are the ones screaming for diversity; it’s the SJW bloggers looking for a medium to police.

Anonymous Hoss April 01, 2017 9:34 PM  

Hell of a business model: try to give your consumer what they don't want, and then basically blame them for not being sophisticated enough to buy what you're selling. Falls along the lines of, "the beatings will continue until morale improves."

Blogger Wormwood April 01, 2017 9:56 PM  

138. instasetting April 01, 2017 6:03 PM

Yes, Walt Simonson's Thor was superb.

QFT. Loved the Simonson run.

Blogger John rockwell April 01, 2017 10:21 PM  

@ JP
How scandalous would it be that there is not only difference in the races in fantasy. But differences between the sexes too with their respective strengths and weaknesses and the different ways of thinking and responding in stimuli.

For a long time sexual differences are just skins. Maybe a little more depth will be possible with sexual differences included as well.

Blogger Skyler the Weird April 01, 2017 11:31 PM  

Marvels move to replace the traditional heroes with Diversity wasn't to make money, it was to get people who cared about the comics to complain where Marvel could point and shriek are the racist red necks.

Dindu Nutthin and Ali Ackbar don't read comics if they can read at all.

Blogger Michael Maier April 02, 2017 1:39 AM  

Rhonda's apparently a troll idiot...

Blogger Koanic April 02, 2017 5:39 AM  

Perhaps Marvel should ask the Catholic Church for tips on absorbing the pantheons of defeated peoples, since the latter is currently repeating its former success.

Blogger Rhonda * wildcard April 02, 2017 8:57 AM  

Michael Maier wrote:Rhonda's apparently a troll idiot...



Well, don't leave me hanging... Why am I a troll and how am I an idiot?

Blogger Michael Maier April 02, 2017 11:51 AM  

Here's why:
Ms. Marvel SUCKED. I read it as part of the package for the HUGOs. (I even opened the file to re-check just now and I am right.)

The story sucked. The writing sucked. Nothing about it was compelling; the plot, the dialogue, the characters. It all sucks.

And the art totally sucked. It's garbage.

Which leads me to this:
"The art in comics today is phenomenal with rare exception."

If you are not a troll and you typed this with any seriousness, you're either blind from brain damage or you have never looked through old issues of anything. Or done an image search for "good comic art".

Comic "art" today is the Grunge Music of comics. IT SUCKS.

I cannot understand how an art form that published greats like Neal Adams, John Byrne, George Perez, and Alan Davis devolves to the point that Ms. Marvel's art even got published. It looks like something an indie publisher would have put out in the 90s.

No life, no action, no expression. The faces in Ms. Marvel make 1970s Jap animation look good by comparison.

Anonymous Godfrey April 02, 2017 12:55 PM  

@151

Agreed. I have old comics back to the 1960s & 1970s. In general the art was much better back then. Now there is modern artists that can surpass the greats from the past, but they are few and far between.

Blogger Rhonda * wildcard April 02, 2017 1:00 PM  

Michael Maier wrote:Here's why:

Ms. Marvel SUCKED. I read it as part of the package for the HUGOs. (I even opened the file to re-check just now and I am right.)

The story sucked. The writing sucked. Nothing about it was compelling; the plot, the dialogue, the characters. It all sucks.

And the art totally sucked. It's garbage.

Which leads me to this:

"The art in comics today is phenomenal with rare exception."

If you are not a troll and you typed this with any seriousness, you're either blind from brain damage or you have never looked through old issues of anything. Or done an image search for "good comic art".

Comic "art" today is the Grunge Music of comics. IT SUCKS.

I cannot understand how an art form that published greats like Neal Adams, John Byrne, George Perez, and Alan Davis devolves to the point that Ms. Marvel's art even got published. It looks like something an indie publisher would have put out in the 90s.

No life, no action, no expression. The faces in Ms. Marvel make 1970s Jap animation look good by comparison.



No, I’m not a troll; I wrote my comment in all seriousness. I do own old issues of Neal Adams and George Perez. I also love Dr. Strange done by Frank Brunner, Hellblazer by John Ridgway, and Ms. Marvel by John Buscema, to name a few.

The art for the new Ms. Marvel is very modern and if you want to ask strictly, “Is the Ms. Marvel of today Buscema’s Ms. Marvel,” you’re comparing apples and oranges. The art styles are different but the skill is there. I think Adrian Alphona’s work with perspective, facial expressions, and detail is great.

From a writer or reader’s opinion, if you thought Ms. Marvel sucked, you’re welcome to it.

Great artists today are Paul Azaceta and Elizabeth Breitweiser (“Outcast”), Cliff Chang (“Wonder Woman” The new 52, “Paper Girls”), Jeff Lemire, and Justin Greenwood (“The Fuse). There are lots more.

There are plenty of modern issues I can name that suck. “Faith” by Valiant has terrible writing. Unbearable. The Javier Pulido’s art in “She-Hulk” is unsophisticated. The new stuff DC is doing with “Hellblazer” is tedious.

Blogger HalibetLector April 02, 2017 1:38 PM  

Rhonda * wildcard wrote:The art styles are different but the skill is there.

I have to disagree with both of you. I don't like old comic book style art at all and I don't like much of the modern stuff either. To a large degree, both old and new comic book art is the way it is because artists are treated like sweat shop employees. If I had to draw as many pages as they had to every month, I'd look for ways to cut corners too. Graphic novels (true GNs, not trade paperbacks) tend to have better art because the artist can take his time. One of my favorites is Archibald Aardvark drawn by Grant Bond. The art is just beautiful. Poison Elves drawn by Drew Hayes (RIP) also had great art, if you're into elves dressed like 80s hair bands. Bone drawn by Jeff Smith was pretty good, too.

Blogger Michael Maier April 02, 2017 2:29 PM  

"The art in comics today is phenomenal with rare exception."

"There are plenty of modern issues I can name that suck."


Do please make up your mind.

Blogger Michael Maier April 02, 2017 2:36 PM  

And if you think that Chang's WW art is "great", good for you.

I think it belongs on DC's "D-list" books. Not arguably the third biggest of their flagship characters.

Blogger Rhonda * wildcard April 02, 2017 2:48 PM  

Michael Maier wrote:"The art in comics today is phenomenal with rare exception."

"There are plenty of modern issues I can name that suck."


Do please make up your mind.



Not a contradiction. In the second statement I was including comic writing as well as art. Comic writing is significantly worse than the art.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 02, 2017 2:55 PM  

@6 Faceless

Oooh! Horse Thor! (Finally big enough for the Female Thor!)
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I dunno if they mixed horse thor up with she-thor, but the original horse thor was really fun part of an epic storyline. Way before SJW convergence. I believe it was maybe the early 80s?

Blogger Were-Puppy April 02, 2017 2:57 PM  

@7 Franz Lyonheart
We saw the sales of any character that was diverse

Word salad. That nonsensical statement isn't even wrong. We saw what happening with those sales? And what on God's Earth is "a diverse character"?

And those people are publishers? They're hardly literate!
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My WAG is they took a look at the sales of current comics, and compared to the sales of the graphic novels that reprint all the early spiderman, xmen, FF, thors, etc, and realized - we ain't making any money off of anything new QQ

Blogger Were-Puppy April 02, 2017 2:59 PM  

@8 J A Baker
I'm betting black and white indie comics may become a new fad and even trend. We need good story tellers and halfway decent artists.
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These used to do quite well, Savage Sword of Conan, Vampirella. I believe even the "digest" formats like sonic and archie do ok, or wouldn't see them in the bookstores.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 02, 2017 3:00 PM  

@11 Krul
"we had a lot of fresh, new, exciting ideas that we were trying to get out and nothing new really worked."

No, you didn't. Taking an established character and changing his race, sex, or orientation is not a "fresh, new, exciting" idea.
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I have long had an opinion that the left are incapable of real creativity, and only able to corrupt existing things for their amusement.

Anonymous Ain April 02, 2017 3:05 PM  

@49 "I stopped watching the show about the time it was clear he wasn't a one-time character, so I don't know how far they went with it; but fans of the show on forums were thrilled at the suggestion he was bisexual. All they could talk about was the potential for some Doctor/Captain action; whether his character was interesting or good for the storyline was irrelevant."

Those are almost certainly shills, not the modern bastardization of "someone whom I disagree with", but the classic paid employee (or government agent) posing as a customer. When a flock of posters praise something nonsensically, there's your culprit.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 02, 2017 3:07 PM  

I think they missed a golden opportunity by not calling the black spider man webster

Anonymous anton April 02, 2017 4:20 PM  

even before the social justice virus ruined comics i always preferred indie comics, and manga. Super hero comics were so boring and formulaic to me as a kid. I would rather read johnny the homicidal maniac or r. crumb, and crumb is a complete degenerate in every sense of the word but he would probably piss some sjw's off with his comics if they read them.

Anonymous DaveP. April 02, 2017 6:56 PM  

When Marvel did 'non-standard' superheroes doing their own thing (Power Man being one of several) that was cool*. When they TOOK OVER formerly-white/male/het supers and CONVERTED them to being black/Muslim/gay/trans/et cetera, that sucked... because not only was it rightly viewed as an invasion, an encroachment onto someone else's traditional character, but it also alienated the long time fans who had been buying the same comics for years on end and now open their mailers to find out that Ms. Marvel has retired her blonde locks and cleavage-window uniform for a burka.
The fact that Marvel never could seem to accomplish this without a massload of hatred and flat-out contempt aimed at white/christian/straight/male/Right didn't help, as nobody seemed to tell Marvel that most of their readers fell into usually more than one of those categories.

*N.B., Marvel: It IS in fact possible to do a black superhero without them being a Sweetback expy or an escapee from a gangsta rap video. Try it sometime.

Blogger Paul Sacramento April 03, 2017 7:36 AM  

Common sense dictates that if you write something that appeals to a minority then the result will be minor. That is what happened and that is what the stats demonstrate.
On that article page you can see some people trying to justify it by saying the characters were rushed or introduced to quickly or whatnot, but the simple truth is that those characters appealed ONLY to those that wanted those type of characters and that was a very small minority.
No surprise there.
That Marvel ( or any other company) didn't realize something of such basic common sense, speaks volumes.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit April 03, 2017 8:46 AM  

Faceless wrote:You need your decoder ring!



You are not even kidding. UN defines equality as 50:50 split between "victim" group and "privileged" group (man/woman, whites/others). A 75:25 split in favor of the "victim" class is considered as "more equality"!

Anonymous Shut up rabbit April 03, 2017 8:57 AM  

Yarnwinder wrote:She-Thor? Seriously? If you need a female Nordic superhero, why not a Valkyrie?

Valkyrie is already a Marvel character from the Thor universe (just the one, not the mythological group). Guess what? In the new film she will be played by a black woman!

Go team diversity!

Anonymous GregMan April 03, 2017 2:18 PM  

When Marvel's most readable character is Squirrel Girl, you KNOW they have problems.

Blogger Michael Maier April 03, 2017 6:33 PM  

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Blogger Michael Maier April 03, 2017 6:38 PM  

Shut up rabbit wrote:Yarnwinder wrote:She-Thor? Seriously? If you need a female Nordic superhero, why not a Valkyrie?

Valkyrie is already a Marvel character from the Thor universe (just the one, not the mythological group). Guess what? In the new film she will be played by a black woman!

Go team diversity!


The argument FOR Negro Viking Gods is "What does it matter anyway?"

My response:
"Oh, it doesn't matter, eh? So... then why do it?"

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