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Saturday, April 29, 2017

Immigration and disease

A measles outbreak in Minnesota is the direct consequence of immigration:
An outbreak of measles is sweeping through a community of Somali refugees in Minnesota and the growing number of cases may be starting to test the limits of the Hennepin County healthcare system.

According to reports from the health commissioner’s office, there are now 30 cases of children in Hennepin County who have been diagnosed with measles, and 28 of them are Somali children who have not been vaccinated. All of the cases involve children 5 years of age and younger.

There have been 10 new cases of measles reported in Hennepin County in just the last four days. What’s worse, the outbreak has now spread to Ramsey and Stearns counties, where two more cases have now been reported, making a total of 32 cases in Minnesota as of 1:30 p.m. Friday.

The first Minnesota case was reported in March and has been steadily growing each week. It is the worst measles outbreak in Hennepin County, which includes the city of Minneapolis, since 2011, when 26 cases were reported. That outbreak also involved unvaccinated Somali children.

“Eleven of the 30 children have been hospitalized,” Doug Schultz, spokesman for the Minnesota Department of Health, told WND. He said he did not know how many of those cases have required intensive-care treatment. “But it wouldn’t surprise me if there were some,” he said.

WND received unconfirmed reports Friday that pediatric cancer treatments at Children’s Hospital Minneapolis were postponed Thursday due to the presence of measles patients at the hospital.

The parents of the cancer patients either “opted out” of their treatments when they were told of the measles outbreak, or had their treatments postponed, a healthcare worker told WND....

Measles were declared eliminated in the United States in 2000, But Minnesota and other states see sporadic cases, typically linked to international travel and the influx of Third World refugees and asylum seekers.
Now, we're told that it is immoral for parents not to vaccinate their children, even when there is almost zero statistical risk of them contracting the diseases that are vaccinated against and there is a small, but real risk of harm from the vaccines.

How, then, can anyone possibly argue that immigration is moral when it clearly poses a direct threat to the health of the native population? And what is the point of working to eliminate diseases if you are simply going to import them later?

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71 Comments:

Anonymous Mike Rock April 29, 2017 8:16 AM  

Also check out non treatable tuberculosis and new polio being imported...... sources from Mexico, central America and India among others.

Blogger Chris Lutz April 29, 2017 8:24 AM  

And it's obvious our health system is already close to capacity. When 30 kids with measles stress the health system of a county, then there are problems. Also, I would not be happy if my kid was missing cancer treatments. I would be having a few "words" with whatever refugee organization brought these people into my town.

Blogger Aeoli Pera April 29, 2017 8:29 AM  

Give them smallpox blankets in the name of Judeochrist.

Anonymous Bagger Vance April 29, 2017 8:32 AM  

Five will get you ten these kids had time to get FGM; vaccinated, not so much.

Anonymous Teapartydoc April 29, 2017 8:33 AM  

Need to hope a few cases of infertility result, but it usually has to affect postpubertal males.

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni April 29, 2017 8:35 AM  

Would any US health official in his right mind trust a vaccination certificate from Somalia or anywhere else in the third world? Much less a statement from an ignorant savage?
What would the Caliphate be doing differently if it had resolved on a policy of importing jungle diseases to Christian countries in order to subjugate them?
Will Americans protect their children or not?

Blogger Midnight Avenue J April 29, 2017 8:35 AM  

Chris Lutz, that was my first thought, too. 30 pts stress the system so much they can't keep up? That's...bad. Really bad.

of course people really have nothing to worry about since they've been vaccinated, hmm? Hmm? Hmmm.

Anonymous MDZ1985 April 29, 2017 8:35 AM  

Disease eradication is an example of white privilege and oppression. Infected populations will be imported until proper disease diversity is restored.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt April 29, 2017 8:44 AM  

So the parents just "opted out" of cancer treatments for their kids. What good sports! It makes it sound like telling the waiter you'll skip the dessert menu tonight. And it can be gussied up a bit more by saying that those parents "chose" to do without the treatments, so everyone should be happy, right? Let's just think about this: kids with *cancer* are ousted from a hospital built by their parents' and grandparents' money and toil, in favor of diseased retards from the other side of the world.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J April 29, 2017 8:57 AM  

@9, cancer pts are usually immune compromised, either disease or treatment renders them weak, so it makes sense to skip entering a place harboring disease vectors.

Not that I doubt there was some of the latter going on, that diseased invaders were given preference over cancer kids.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt April 29, 2017 9:21 AM  

I know the parents were protecting their kids who had weakened immune systems because of the disease or the treatments. But they shouldn't have had to make a choice like that, which is really no choice at all. "Sure, the chemotherapy clinic is open! Come on down! Just remember, the place is swarming with highly infectious bacteria thanks to a specially-imported horde of plague rats currently infesting our waiting rooms. Oh, you're not coming after all? Well, it's up to you. Bye!"

Anonymous RobertL April 29, 2017 9:25 AM  

The ridiculous thing is that the trendline on measles in the article was nearing its current 1 death/million by the time the vaccine was introduced anyway.
Measles was, in my time, a normal childhood disease, possibly fatal but treated with bed rest, calamine lotion, and stern injunctions not to scratch. The kids don't need hospitalization.

Anonymous rienzi April 29, 2017 9:37 AM  

The article is BS in some respects. The center of the Somali invasion of Minneapolis is the Cedar-Riverside neighborhood, in a high-rise complex known locally as "Mogadishu in the Sky". This is a five minute walk from the University of Minnesota Medical Center, a series of truly enormous hospitals. To imply that 30 patients would overload the ability to treat them is beyond belief.

Anonymous Godfrey April 29, 2017 9:42 AM  

The global elites are WAGING WAR on the masses worldwide.

You won't understand anything until you begin to understand that fact.

Anonymous Prayers answered for the Trumpslide April 29, 2017 9:43 AM  

Importing eradicated diseases just another job Americans don't want to do! Diversity (of diseases) is our strength! My immune system loves refugees! Those parents of the cancer patients are racist because they don't want their kids to be culturally enriched! Sarcasm off. This is just sickeninbg that this is happening.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey April 29, 2017 9:43 AM  

@Midnight Avenue J

"of course people really have nothing to worry about since they've been vaccinated, hmm? Hmm? Hmmm."

Though with a highly-transmissible disease with no non-human vectors (like measles), and with vaccines that are less than 100% effective (as they are), it's more of an epidemiological issue than an individual medical one. Your kids' risk depends on other parents' actions (or lack thereof). An inverse "tragedy of the commons," as it were.

"Herd immunity" is more important than individual immunity.

Anonymous Godfrey April 29, 2017 9:47 AM  

The global elites don't give a damn about your health. They want you dead. There are to many of you on their planet.

They want a small subservient low IQ population they can control.

Anonymous BBGKB April 29, 2017 9:47 AM  

Drug resistant TB takes 18+ months to treat and $250,000- $1.5mill worth of drugs alone, usually picked up by county health departments.

Not that I doubt there was some of the latter going on, that diseased invaders were given preference over cancer kids.

Even at a 400+ bed hospital, 30 new patients all with the same avoidable condition will stress them and have patients overflowed to other wards. These are not nice literate compliant easy patients, but people who had to be given classes on how to use toilets. The need to use translation services for those illiterate in there mother tongue & pretending the parents are smart enough for informed consent adds to the burden.

No one acts more entitled to health care than illegals who brought their anchor baby in to the ER for a diaper rash.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey April 29, 2017 9:50 AM  

@9

Well put.

Anonymous Godfrey April 29, 2017 9:52 AM  

This is all too contrived to be mere incompetence.

The West is being culled and replaced by a lower IQ more submissive population. Once that's complete, massive worldwide depopulation begins.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey April 29, 2017 10:01 AM  

@12

"Measles was, in my time, a normal childhood disease, possibly fatal but treated with bed rest, calamine lotion, and stern injunctions not to scratch. The kids don't need hospitalization"

Probably true. It's not as if the hospital is giving them some sort of special inpatient treatment that cures measles.

A significant part of this is likely due to a combination of:
1. CYA medicine. Send the kid home with his 68 IQ parents and something goes wrong? Das rayciss. Doctor/ hospital's fault-- we have a ghetto lottery winner, and a lot of bad press.

2. Inability to effectively quarantine, and thus stop the spread of the epidemic, by any other means, without being "racist" and violating the civil rights of the poor refugees.

Blogger Red Bane April 29, 2017 10:07 AM  

Interesting that measles mortality rates declined significantly long before the vaccine was introduced. People have long contended that other factors, most notably improvements in potable water delivery and better food hygiene standards were larger factors in the decline. 3rd world peoples do not hold themselves to these standards of Western invention. This outbreak will contain itself

Blogger Franz Lyonheart April 29, 2017 10:38 AM  

Actually I had not announced this yet, back in February the lovely Mrs. Lyonheart gave birth to a beautiful daughter. Prayers for my 3rd child much appreciated.

Last week she had her multi vaccination. There's one shot to one leg with 5 vaccinations, plus two further shots, plus one vaccine to swallow. All told, 8 vaccines in one go. Kind of crazy.

Little Miss Lyonheart reacted badly with high fever over 48 hours. The thing is that the General Practitioner who administered the vaccines obviously wasn't on call that night. Imo that would be the minimum to be expected of a doctor to be available on standby over 48 hours after such potential side effects. So the little girl had to spend a night in hospital for observation.

She's fine now.

But still.... It was a big scare. None of our older children reacted like this. But iirc, they had not been asked for 8 shots in one go.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart April 29, 2017 10:42 AM  

Vox, I know you publish a lot about vaccines. I know you're highly critical of some aspects, and the general frenzy and lack of due diligence around vaccination. But I also remember one post where you mentioned that obviously there are also successful and useful vaccines.

Is there a good list compiled, something that would obtain your blessing, with practical information for parents of small children? Sorting the wheat from the chaff / the useful vaccines worth the risk of side effects, from the useless and dangerous ones?

Blogger Red Bane April 29, 2017 10:44 AM  

Most measles deaths were related to secondary bacterial infections. Malnutrition and other poor social practices, dense urban population concentrations etc, helped boost mortality figures. Much as I hate to admit it it, suburbia (a living death) may have had a limiting impact on disease spread

Blogger Red Bane April 29, 2017 10:46 AM  

One of my former bosses had a boy child go deaf from the MMR shot. Deafness is a feature of measles infection. Do as the Japanese do, wait until children are older if you really need to vaccinate.

Anonymous Teapartydoc April 29, 2017 11:17 AM  

Just realized I got mumps and measles mixed up earlier. Measles isn't highly associated with infertility. Wasn't quite awake yet.

Blogger praetorian April 29, 2017 11:30 AM  

Oh s*%t, Minnesota, what are you doing?

Blogger Billy Ray April 29, 2017 11:33 AM  

30 sick kids is STRAINING the system? 30? just a few decades ago 30 kids would get sick with the measles at every school every year. nobody died, no one batted an eye...oh right got to hit the panic button any time someone gets sick to pump the big pharma vaccine industry.....big pharma pushing this drug or that one and they are money grubbers, but pushing highly profitable vaccines and big pharma is all of a sudden saints doing god's work

Blogger Resident Moron™ April 29, 2017 11:34 AM  

Herd immunity would be a term laden with outrage if it wasn't our lords and masters using it to describe us.

Why is that? I wonder.

(Imagine you described a crowd of your local vibrants as a baboon troupe.)

Anyway, the concept is a crock. Not that it couldn't be true, if vaccines actually worked as advertised.

It's just that they don't.

Incidences of all manner of diseases are higher among the vaccinated.

The most obvious explanation is that people don't "catch" diseases in the normal understanding of that word but that pathogens lurk in non-dangerous concentrations in the human body until such a time as the immune system is too weakened to prevent them multiplying.

Which in turn strongly implies that people stay healthy when their immune system is strong and get sick when their immune system is weakened.

And that also likely explains why people vaccinated under the current US regime (for example) which includes something like 35 different assault vectors, suffer from all manner of disease afterwards.

Another possibility is that vaccines *might* possibly work as advertised amongst people who are actually generally healthy (physically fit, good diet, proper hygiene) but that there are few populations left in the West that meet these criteria.

Anonymous IncoherentM April 29, 2017 11:44 AM  

A disease free nation, something Western people strove for, is another sacrifice to the multi-cultural god.

Blogger Elizabeth April 29, 2017 12:02 PM  

Red Bane wrote:Interesting that measles mortality rates declined significantly long before the vaccine was introduced. People have long contended that other factors, most notably improvements in potable water delivery and better food hygiene standards were larger factors in the decline. 3rd world peoples do not hold themselves to these standards of Western invention. This outbreak will contain itself

Less crowding, too.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 29, 2017 12:08 PM  

Keep in mind that while AMERICANS may face hard choices, even bankruptcy under this current morass of a medical services SNAFU, "refugees" are given free care under Medicare, not Medicaid , all paid for by the 20% of Americans who actually pay net taxes (and thus do not claim the EITC.)

I think those who advocate for admission of refugees should have to pay their entire medical tab (preferably via blood and organ donations, 5 qts or two kidneys at a time.)

Blogger dc.sunsets April 29, 2017 12:18 PM  

When the next social mood bear market brings lowered immune systems, pandemics will be common as will food scares.

If things get as bad as seems likely, international travel will become rare and the 21st century equivalent of witch burning may be the isolation and elimination-by-firestorm of infected populations.

Untreatable TB, untreatable gonorrhea, untreatable Pertussis, untreatable Psuedomonas or Serratia or Staphylococcus or Enterococcus or even a vicious fungal pathogen...avoiding one or several of these will become a matter of survival in a world suddenly found short of resources.

All we await is the change in perception.

Blogger Sheila4g April 29, 2017 12:27 PM  

@33 dc.sunsets: And meantime, in addition to about $1800 a month in taxes, we're "taxed" an additional $9540 a year for our health insurance. Since none of us have any serious long-term health problems, other than a few minor monthly medications and occasional checkups, we never have sufficient expenditures to itemize or deduct any health expenses. Add up those various "taxes" and an enormous chunk of my husband's quite respectable sounding salary is just gone. Vanished into the government's maw to pay for free food, free medicine, free rent, and free sail foams for Shaniqua and Juan and Mfume and . . .

And the grocery cashiers wonder why I'm so emphatic about NOT donating to "feed the hungry" or "fund the fight against breast cancer."

Not only do I fully ascribe to MPAI, I'm also a decades-old misanthrope.

Anonymous Just another commenter April 29, 2017 12:29 PM  

The obvious solution is to set up isolation / quarantine wards for the ill and their families. Allow them to be housed in a location to limit the disease spread. I propose a deserted stretch of Somalia be used.

Perhaps we can send pro-immigrant "Americans" back with them to tend and care for them until they are healthy. Or at least we can send them the bill.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic April 29, 2017 12:35 PM  

What do these people bring to the table? What was going undone in America before we imported Somalians?

We must be mad, literally mad....

Anonymous Gingas April 29, 2017 12:48 PM  

Semi-OT. I live in an area with too many illegal aliens, or at least I assume they're illegal due to lack of English. I see one illegal, then another, then a third, etc. Huh? I feel a strong urge to report these people to ICE and have them deported back to Mexico or wherever. But when I go to ICE's Website page for reporting them, the Web page states that ICE prioritizes illegals who commit felonies or major crimes such drug crimes, SS fraud, etc. Which is practical; I'm fine with that. If you all don't mind me asking, is it possible to report non-felon illegal aliens? Just report people who are simply here illegally without knowing what felonies, if any, they have committed? I'm just asking in case any of you know. It's bloodboiling seeing these invaders occupy my country and I want to do my part in expelling them. Just asking in case you can help. Thanks.

Blogger Chris Mallory April 29, 2017 12:53 PM  

Here is the current CDC instruction for measles:

"Isolation
Infected people should be isolated for four days after they develop a rash. Healthcare providers should follow respiratory etiquette and airborne precautions in healthcare settings. Regardless of presumptive immunity status, all healthcare staff entering the room should use respiratory protection consistent with airborne infection control precautions (use of an N95 respirator or a respirator with similar effectiveness in preventing airborne transmission). Because of the possibility, albeit low, of MMR vaccine failure in healthcare providers exposed to infected patients, they should all observe airborne precautions in caring for patients with measles. The preferred placement for patients who require airborne precautions is in a single-patient airborne infection isolation room (AIIR)." https://www.cdc.gov/measles/hcp/

So I can see how seven hospitalized patients could stress a system when you add them on top of the normal patient load the hospital handles. Most hospitals are set up for surgery recovery, elder issues, and other non-epidemic type patients.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey April 29, 2017 1:05 PM  

@22 Red Bane
"Interesting that measles mortality rates declined significantly long before the vaccine was introduced. People have long contended that other factors, most notably improvements in potable water delivery and better food hygiene standards were larger factors in the decline."

@32 Elizabeth

"Less crowding, too."

There's a tendency for people to look at this sort of issue entirely from the human perspective (understandably), while forgetting about the pathogen. Improvements in hygiene and decreased crowding make it harder for the bug to transmit itself to the next host, thus selecting for variants that are highly-transmissible, but less lethal/ less likely to cause rapid onset severe illness (if the host is walking around spreading the pathogen, it's much easier to spread than if the host is bedridden soon after exposure).

This is also seen, for example, in the occasional instances when there's a cholera outbreak in a First World country. Mortality rates are very low when compared to cholera in the Third World. Not just because of better medical care and better baseline health, but because variants that cause rapid onset of severe disease have a much more difficult time spreading in the face of modern hygiene standards than those that cause milder forms of the disease.

Anonymous DonReynolds April 29, 2017 1:10 PM  

Ever since starting school in 1959, my Mother had to show the school nurse (every year) a written record of immunization, showing up to date shots....before I could be admitted to the school.

That same experience was continued with my six kids, the only delay being when we moved to Oklahoma. My kids missed two weeks of school when we moved because the state required every school child to be immunized against Hepatitis, which the other states did not require. The Health Department only offered those immunizations every two weeks.

Anyone.....regardless of where they have lived....should be subject to the same rules as Americans. Provide proof of up-to-date immunization as a requirement for admission to local schools. No exceptions for Afrikans or Asians or Eskimos.

Blogger APL April 29, 2017 1:18 PM  

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Blogger APL April 29, 2017 1:19 PM  

" immigration and disease "

Ain't nothing new. By the late '60s they had managed to practically eradicate TB in London. Now we get articles like this from the BBC:

"The rate of infection among UK-born Londoners has risen, while among the non-UK-born it has fallen - and the report said it would be wrong to assume TB was a disease of migrants."

who, as you can see, are mystified as to how this has happened.

Although the title of the piece gives you a Soviet clue.

Blogger Chris Lutz April 29, 2017 1:26 PM  

@39 We really need to rethink how hospitals and doctors' offices handle people coming in for disease treatment. It really is absurd to have a host of people with possibly different infectious diseases sitting in a waiting room together and spreading their diseases to already weakened victims.

But think about this, 30 patients cripple a hospital for the care of other patients. Personally, I would have rented a gym or warehouse, and shipped all the measles cases there for treatment. You can't cripple your healthcare system like this.

Blogger APL April 29, 2017 1:26 PM  

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34637968

Forgot to include the url should anyone be interested.

Anonymous DonReynolds April 29, 2017 1:29 PM  

@35 Sheila4g
"And the grocery cashiers wonder why I'm so emphatic about NOT donating to "feed the hungry" or "fund the fight against breast cancer."

Don't look now but your local drug store has a national campaign (complete with bright red nose clown costumes) to END CHILDHOOD POVERTY (Walgreens). Just how they intend to eliminate childhood poverty was not entirely clear but they definitely want their customers to pay for it.

My best guess is.....they intend to hand out the cash that the customers donate to irresponsible parents, who can show a cute toddler as proof. They in turn will use the cash, ostensibly for something other than their normal expenses. I seriously doubt the child will notice the difference.

We have the same thing in recent years with the do-gooders insisting that two-thirds of all children go to bed at night still hungry. Which makes no sense at all.....46 percent get a monthly subsidy that they can "only" spend on food, we have food banks everywhere with donated food, and the school aged children already get free breakfast and free lunch (and soon dinner too)...and on Saturdays, and in the summer months. I laugh in their face. The problem is not food at all. Many of their parents can barely walk from so much food. It is an outrage.

Blogger James Dixon April 29, 2017 1:45 PM  

> We must be mad, literally mad....

Oh, no. It was quite deliberate, and the folks doing it (primarily Obama) knew quite well what they were doing. They were importing a 5th column for the upcoming war.

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Anonymous Marvin Boggs April 29, 2017 2:43 PM  

Why does the chemo clinic share space with other units? Given that chemo patients very likely have compromised immune systems, shouldn't the chemo clinic be completely isolated from other units? You can say what you like about the folks with measles, but who designed this hospital?

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 29, 2017 2:49 PM  

Measlam: The Religion of Vax

As in, "Not all Measlams are disease terrorists."

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Blogger Tom Kratman April 29, 2017 3:03 PM  

"there is a small, but real risk of harm from the vaccines."

There are certain diseases, smallpox is one, especially in certain variants, that have massive plague potential, indeed, maybe neo-virgin field epidemic potential, that we need to keep up vaccination on and have largely stopped. This isn't for the good of the individual so much as to stop plague throughout the society. I wouldn't claim that either the likelihood or the numbers of diseases are huge, only that the downsides of being vulnerable, if they began, are horrific enough to justify pre-emptive measures, risk to individuals or no.

It still isn't a perfect defense, since, treaties or not, there are probably people working on new and improved diseases.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 29, 2017 3:15 PM  

10 years ago the Ellis Island museum had exhibits that clearly showed sick people being sent back. Public health was a serious matter in the 19th century. Not just tuberculosis, either.

So "muh Emma Lazarus" isn't enough because sick. Sick ones have to go back now. The others have to go back sooner or later.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab April 29, 2017 3:27 PM  

The chicken pox vaccine schools and cps requires? Yeah, it causes shingles in children. Yay for progress.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable April 29, 2017 3:59 PM  

Immigration is disease culture.

Literally, in the Petri dish sense.

[I think that technically, immigration is an infection vector and immigrants are a bacterial culture medium, but hardly anyone outside of related fields would care about the distinction.]

Blogger EasyCompany April 29, 2017 4:10 PM  

@12
Measles was, in my time, a normal childhood disease, possibly fatal but treated with bed rest, calamine lotion, and stern injunctions not to scratch. The kids don't need hospitalization.
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Mine too. 1960s

I had it along with mumps and chicken pox. Those were normal childhood illnesses, not a death sentence.

I never heard, nor my mother, that anyone really got hospitalize let alone die.

Now people act like it's Ebola and their all going to die!

I understand the chemo patients having to be careful, but everyone else, good Lord.

Blogger weka April 29, 2017 4:49 PM  

Even at a 400+ bed hospital, 30 new patients all with the same avoidable condition will stress them and have patients overflowed to other wards. These are not nice literate compliant easy patients, but people who had to be given classes on how to use toilets. The need to use translation services for those illiterate in there mother tongue & pretending the parents are smart enough for informed consent adds to the burden.

No one acts more entitled to health care than illegals who brought their anchor baby in to the ER for a diaper rash.


There are no isolation wards left. We shut them, along with the asylums, because we had tight enough communities were parents would quarantine their kids and look after their depressed kids, and give the mad medications (Noting that the USA is not cohesive enough: at times that means the cops dragging a person to the clinic for his antipsychotics. Literally. Legal in NZ law).

All immigrants should be vaccinated before being allowed in. They should be tested for sexually transmitted diseases and TB. Only let in if cured.

You see, it is not 30 patients. It is 30 patients you need to isolate. That requires three shifts of nurses giving 1:1 care. And that will break a pediatric ward.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 29, 2017 6:09 PM  

weka
All immigrants should be vaccinated before being allowed in. They should be tested for sexually transmitted diseases and TB. Only let in if cured.


The US used to do that. Ellis Island had hospital wards.
Now it's all Emma Lazarus all the time. I thought Ebola would maybe change that, but nope.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 29, 2017 6:44 PM  

dear Mr Lyonheart, your pediatrician is using a set of guidelines for vax on children that assume your child is on government benefits that stop at age 2. The doctor will overload your child with vaccines to get them all in before benefits lapse. They know that the vaccines are not fully effective, since your child's immune system is not fully self- operating for the first two years. Biologically, your baby's body expects to be dining on antibodies in mother's milk for the first few years.

A decent schedule for vaccines can be found in the archives. I'm not sure where they are. I can tell you what we've done. The first one got a full set of shots on schedule. Then he was required to get boosters to enter kindergarten.

The others would get one shot a year, each summer, high-mid-point, after age 3. I was more worried about weight than age. 40+ pounds, after having gotten a tan to ensure enough vitamin D in their system.

Having said that, I also did not rush out to have them join random library story-times, nor visit children's museums, nor children's festivals, nor children's entertainers of the general public. They had a social life with a playgroup where I knew all the mothers and all the children, and all of the children's vaccination philosophies. Namely, most of them were on a slow schedule, and they had enough sense to keep a kid home if the child had a fever, a runny nose, or a cough. These were attachment parented, breast-fed babies, so these were basically very healthy children.

When my kids went off to school, they got caught up on all the ones required by the state. I made sure to keep them outside as much as possible beforehand, and as much time after school as possible. They attended school with illegal immigrants who brought some disturbing diseases to school. They would get letters saying "if your child has these symptoms, bring this letter to the emergency room, but we can't tell you what the disease is." My kids think it's normal to bleach their desks, daily, in school.

We began limiting time at the park when a woman was discharged from the emergency room with pneumonia, coughing visible green droplets, went to the park with her child who had been sent home with a 104 fever- and both of them showed up, coughing visible green spume all over everybody. My children and I were infected. My husband kept himself away from us for two weeks, to be able to stay healthy enough to work.

This was when I went from "we can find a way to work together" to "they all have to go back, they are not equipped to live in civilized society."

On this last one, I'm dosing him with kelp with iodine in applesauce each day, since he's a late in life baby, and seems to have a more fragile system than the others. He's had hives, and allergies, of which none of the others have. I noticed a strong difference in cognition, for the better, within a week.

Anonymous BBGKB April 29, 2017 6:59 PM  

advocate for admission of refugees should have to pay their entire medical tab (preferably via blood and organ donations, 5 qts or two kidneys

How long until ((())) open up Sell Your Kidney Shops in the US? they get caught everywhere else doing it.

makes no sense at all.....46 percent get a monthly subsidy that they can "only" spend on food,

Asians and other low trust merchants trade $100 of food stamps for $40 cash.

"And the grocery cashiers wonder why I'm so emphatic about NOT donating to "feed the hungry"

The make more niglets to be hungry in Africa campaign

What do these people bring to the table? What was going undone in America before we imported Somalians?

What was going undone? 5yo white girls.
http://www.wnd.com/2017/04/muslim-refugees-plead-guilty-to-sexually-assaulting-5-year-old-idaho-girl/

Anonymous Avalanche April 29, 2017 10:32 PM  

@57 "All immigrants should be vaccinated before being allowed in. They should be tested for sexually transmitted diseases and TB. Only let in if cured."

Vaccinated, then tested, then NOT LET IN anyway! How hard is it to get that?! They must go back -- and NOT COME HERE!)

Anonymous A.B. Prosper April 30, 2017 12:50 AM  

weka, the proper amount of immigration to the US is negative. We need people to leave not come here.

No exceptions, no green cards, no cheap foreign doctors, no H1B exceptions, no humanitarian exceptions .

Blogger weka April 30, 2017 2:11 AM  

@62.
Mr Prosper, I don't want to even visit the USA while the TSA has their ineffective screening in place. It is your country, your rules.

But I would add that we don't want immigrants in NZ either, be they Syrian or American.

Blogger weka April 30, 2017 2:11 AM  

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Anonymous SciVo de Plorable April 30, 2017 3:01 AM  

Ariadne Umbrella wrote:On this last one, I'm dosing him with kelp with iodine in applesauce each day, since he's a late in life baby, and seems to have a more fragile system than the others. He's had hives, and allergies, of which none of the others have. I noticed a strong difference in cognition, for the better, within a week.

Do. Not. Coddle. I forbid you. Let him have scraped arms and knees. I insist.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit April 30, 2017 3:15 AM  

The introduction of new childhood vaccines is no longer based on disease mortality but purely based on financial reasons. The vaccine company has economists estimating the overall disease burden to the healthcare system and "society" (hospital use, work days lost to take care of children, other medicines taken, travel costs, parking costs [I kid you not] extra diapers).

They basically add together any imaginable "extra" cost, multiply it by the estimated number of cases of the disease and present a product that costs slightly less - boom! mandated vaccine for a disease which at worst might leave a slight scar! Socializing disease treatment in the most "efficient" manner rather than letting individuals manage their own sick children.

I agree vaccines work and some disease merit vaccination (rabies, yellow fever) but you are much better off avoiding the parts of the world where these diseases are prevalent: Play 3rd world games, win 3rd world prizes

Anonymous Shut up rabbit April 30, 2017 5:21 AM  

Clean up on comment @67!

Anonymous BBGKB April 30, 2017 9:29 AM  

They basically add together any imaginable "extra" cost, multiply it by the estimated number of cases of the disease and present a product that costs slightly less - boom! mandated vaccine for a disease which at worst might leave a slight scar! Socializing disease treatment in the most "efficient" manner rather than letting individuals manage their own sick children.

Latrina's 21 crackbabies don't have the White Privilege of knowing who their daddies are.

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Blogger Zeroh Tollrants April 30, 2017 9:42 PM  

I have an autoimmune disorder, meaning my immune system is for sh*t. I have to eat & sleep carefully in order to stay semi-well. I was just speaking to my doc about booster vaccines since it's been several decades since I've had any immunizations. I would imagine many elderly people might also have issues, as well. It would be horrible to think of people living 8-9 decades only to be finished off by 3rd world funk. The families should be able to sue.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants April 30, 2017 9:44 PM  

My brother-in-law was born 60 yrs ago, in McAllen, TX, on the Mex/US border & developed polio as an infant. We don't expect him to live much longer.

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