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Wednesday, April 05, 2017

Instapundit goes Alt-Right

All logical roads lead to the Alt-Right, so it is only a matter of time. Today Instapundit drew our attention to one of his more perspicacious post-election observations.
What if minority voters just won’t turn out for non-minority candidates any more? That’s a real problem for the Democrats, especially if all the racial politics they pursue in order to try to motivate minority voters (Black Lives Matter, immigration protests, etc.) actually serve to make minorities less likely to vote for whites, even if they’re Democrats. And if working-class whites start to vote Republican the way minorities have voted Democratic — and all that racial politics is likely to encourage that — the Dems are in trouble.
It's not a what-if. They increasingly won't, because identity politics. We know this. Somalis in Minnesota don't vote for Jewish Democrats, they vote for Somalis. Indians in Toronto don't vote for whatever the Canadian parties happen to be, they vote for Indians. Muslims in London don't vote for British Labour candidates, they vote for Muslims.

This isn't that hard. And it's not as if Americans didn't know this. Blacks only ever voted for Blacks too, it's just that the geniuses who observe American politics somehow managed to erroneously conclude that this was unique to African-Americans because legacy of slavery or something equally stupid.

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Blogger Nate April 05, 2017 8:14 AM  

Blacks will still vote for a white democrat over a black republican.

Because uncle tom. Case in point... blacks absolutely hate Ben Carson.

Blogger Yollo April 05, 2017 8:14 AM  

That's the hard lesson with democracy in a culturally heterogeneous society, right? You can't educate the different sections to vote non-communally en masse. In a multi-party setup like India, everyone thought that was going to be a good thing with coalitions consisting of right-wing Hindu nationalist parties, pro-low caste parties and even socialist parties forming the government, representing the communal diversity and working together for the good of all, &tc, &tc. We tried that out for thirty years. Didn't work. The poor are poorer, the bureaucracy is even more corrupt and for the Communist Party, like all Communist Parties everywhere, the leaders themselves have turned into the bourgeoisie. I have no idea what sort of effect this kind of mindset can have on a bipartisan system like in the US which logically cannot accommodate it.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 05, 2017 8:17 AM  

As I understand it, the Open Immigration Lobby rationalizes their views on the basis that all these New Arrivals are necessary to keep Social Security, Medicare and all the other Ponzi Schemes of the 20th century running through the 21st.

To me it is self-evident that the New American Somalis, the New American Latin-Americans, the New American Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims not to mention the Old American Blacks will, if they reach a voting majority, END any programs that preferentially benefit Old American Whites.

Who was it who defined all these (((a-holes))) who push this Mass Immigration Narrative as "brilliant?"

Blogger dc.sunsets April 05, 2017 8:27 AM  

The end of the Greatest Credit Bubble cannot come soon enough. The rise of the Alt-Right has slowed the rate at which the USA is digging itself deeper into this hole, but the legacy Narrative is still digging...with abandon.

Only when "We Are The World" cannot possibly be sustained next to "I'm Fearful for Me and Mine" will the digging cease.

When fear fully replaces the pathological openness of the mania, every group will coalesce. In the USA, while there are pockets of Latin American Plurality, the geographic US still has ONE dominant "nation," and thanks to the last ten or twenty years of pounding from all sides by the Coalition of the Fringes, its members increasingly cannot escape the stark choice between "Hang Together or Hang Separately."

Thank you, BLM, thank you Tim Wise, thank you Team Obama. You have done more to teach North American whites, an otherwise disparate grouping, that they are a nation. When trust turns to fear, one white after another will realize that he or she has but ONE path ahead.

Identity politics is the child of diversity politics just as economic depressions are the product of prior economic manias.

Blogger Le Regardeur April 05, 2017 8:34 AM  

This is spot on, but is not a recent phenomenon. The Democrats lost the House of Representatives in the 1990s because black voters in the South got tired of voting for white Democrats and wanted black majority districts to elect black Congressmen. They got those districts and the remaining districts became whiter and more Republican. How many white Democrat congressmen are there today in the states that made up the Confederacy:
- David Price in North Carolina
- Don Beyer and Gerry Connolly in the northern Virginia suburbs
- Gene Green in Houston, LLoyd Doggett in Austin and Beto O'Rourke in El Paso (three other Hispanic Dems)
- Six whites from Florida

Even in Florida which is only 17% black, 4 of the 11 Democrats are black.

Anonymous Clay April 05, 2017 8:37 AM  

Nate, there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. It's like cats & dogs.

Or, Arabs and Jews.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd April 05, 2017 8:38 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:Who was it who defined all these (((a-holes))) who push this Mass Immigration Narrative as "brilliant?"

I believe it was the (((a-holes))), wasn't it?

Blogger Le Regardeur April 05, 2017 8:40 AM  

@1 I'm not sure how true it is that blacks will vote for a white Dem over a black Republican. There aren't that many cases of such elections. The Dems almost always make sure that black Republicans such as Tim Scott are opposed by black Dems so they clearly feel that black Republicans against white Dems peel off a portion of the black Dem vote. Patrick Murphy defeated incumbent black Republican Congressman Allen West in 2012, but that was in a redrawn district that was only 12% black.

Blogger Ransom Smith April 05, 2017 8:50 AM  

Agreed with Nate on that.
I once heard a female black city council member complaining about Herman Cain. Because he was "one of those blacks who made it and think everyone else can too"

Blogger Nate April 05, 2017 8:54 AM  

I agree they will vote for a black dem over a white dem or over a yellow or brown dem.

But they will never vote for a black republican.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 05, 2017 8:54 AM  

Nate et al are correct. If blacks voted for black republicans over white democrats we would have seen presidents Colin Powell, Alan Keyes, Herman Cain, and Ben Carson.

Blogger Mike Romkey April 05, 2017 8:59 AM  

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Anonymous Grayman April 05, 2017 9:06 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:As I understand it, the Open Immigration Lobby rationalizes their views on the basis that all these New Arrivals are necessary to keep Social Security, Medicare and all the other Ponzi Schemes of the 20th century running through the 21st.

To me it is self-evident that the New American Somalis, the New American Latin-Americans, the New American Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims not to mention the Old American Blacks will, if they reach a voting majority, END any programs that preferentially benefit Old American Whites.

Who was it who defined all these (((a-holes))) who push this Mass Immigration Narrative as "brilliant?"


They didn’t think that through very well then, did they? If they want all of these invaders in the country to feed the ponzi you have to assume that the invaders are producing more than they are consuming economically. I’m fairly certain that the vast majority of these immigrant groups consume noticeable more social resources then they contribute to. As such the brilliant plan of bringing in the invaders actually accelerates the implosion of the ponzi.
Consider that the top 10% of taxpayers pay 90% of taxes in the US. So as a rough estimate anyone who makes less than 40K and uses government support systems is consuming more then they are contributing.
Unless these invader are going to be in the top 50% of earners they will functionally always be a underclass consuming more than they produce. Thats a great plan!


Anonymous Dyskord April 05, 2017 9:08 AM  

At the moment the Chuck Schumer and nancy Pelosi dems are silent because it doesn't concern them now, nor will it in the future. They're old. They've got maybe another few years before they become permanent fixtures on the golf course, talking dirty and networking with current year political rivals and frenemies like McCain and McConnel.
When the younger Senators with another 20 or 40 years to go before comfortable retirement realise they've been shunted for a Somalian/Muslim/Haitian etc and the senate looks like the league of nations they'll switch tickets faster than they're shrieking about Russia right now.
When its their jobs on the line and their journalist cheersquad realise that the New America isn't very gay friendly or accomodating to their white brothers/boyfriends/friends/girlfriends/sisters etc when it comes to hiring. Things are gonna seriously get 1930's germany up in here.
I mean the left is unashamedly fascistic, corrupt and incompetant. The worst part is they either willfully or ignorantly cannot see it. Instead projecting their own actions and beliefs unto the right then shouting NAZI at the top of their lungs.
Vox is right. History, science and reality is against the left.
Its only a matter of time before all their edifices crumble.

What I find alarming is it seems all the weird, defective, socially awkward, mentally deficient, easily swayed, Manipulative, scheming, Violent etc people are congregating on the liberal side. When the inevitable switch happens these folks will jump over too. While decent shock troops and cannon fodder they're a double edged sword and are just as likely to poison us as they are poisoning their own side.

Blogger Johnny April 05, 2017 9:10 AM  

On a strictly economic level the problem with these immigrants is that we already have a surplus of minimally skilled labor. So, when one comes in somebody ends up unemployed; either an American or the immigrant.

Anonymous Grayman April 05, 2017 9:14 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:
….When fear fully replaces the pathological openness of the mania, every group will coalesce. In the USA, while there are pockets of Latin American Plurality, the geographic US still has ONE dominant "nation," and thanks to the last ten or twenty years of pounding from all sides by the Coalition of the Fringes, its members increasingly cannot escape the stark choice between "Hang Together or Hang Separately."

Thank you, BLM, thank you Tim Wise, thank you Team Obama. You have done more to teach North American whites, an otherwise disparate grouping, that they are a nation. When trust turns to fear, one white after another will realize that he or she has but ONE path ahead. .


We’d be wise to take the lessons of the Suidlanders to heart:
https://redice.tv/red-ice-radio/suidlanders-preparing-for-disaster-in-south-africa

What’s crazy is that so many whites are still all about “muh diversity” and deep in cognitive dissonance. They see nothing wrong with minorities voting in racial blocks but if you suggest whites voting for whites they lose their mind…RACIST

Blogger frigger611 April 05, 2017 9:15 AM  

@dc sunsets, "the Open Immigration Lobby rationalizes their views on the basis that all these New Arrivals are necessary to keep Social Security, Medicare and all the other Ponzi Schemes of the 20th century running through the 21st."

Yes, that's the gist of it, so they been sayin'.

But the idea can only be supported by fools who believe in Blank Slate, that these warm weather invaders are going to work and save and invest and maintain their neighborhoods just like Ward and June Cleaver would have.

The real truth is that I don't think they ever believed, "they will save our social programs." This has been a Trojan Horse all along, it's a ruse.

Blank Slate Theory is for chumps.

Da Goyim Know.

Anonymous Grayman April 05, 2017 9:23 AM  

Dyskord wrote:
… that the New America isn't very gay friendly or accomodating to their white brothers/boyfriends/friends/girlfriends/sisters etc when it comes to hiring. Things are gonna seriously get 1930's germany up in here.

….What I find alarming is it seems all the weird, defective, socially awkward, mentally deficient, easily swayed, Manipulative, scheming, Violent etc people are congregating on the liberal side. When the inevitable switch happens these folks will jump over too. While decent shock troops and cannon fodder they're a double edged sword and are just as likely to poison us as they are poisoning their own side.


The left is setting the stage for a strongman dictator type to take power and for ethnic cleansing. They have set the stage that there will be no other choice. The board has been staged such that either the minorities will purge the whites or vice versa

The the weird, defective, socially awkward, mentally deficient etc will always go to the left as they can never effectively compete socially in a conservative world and would be relegated to the fringes. In a leftist world they are celebrated and the leftist love them as they are tools to wedge open cracks in the conservative structure.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 05, 2017 9:24 AM  

Blacks will still vote for a white democrat over a black republican.

That's true, but white Republicans have learned exactly the wrong lesson from it. They assume blacks in that case are putting politics above race, but they're not. Blacks see Democrats as the black party and Republicans as the white party, and they vote for their race's party. If one black like Ben Carson or J.C. Watts goes to the other side, that just proves he's a traitor. When they vote for a white Democrat against him, they are voting on racial lines.

Blogger Doug Cranmer April 05, 2017 9:27 AM  

The wakening you're describing is happening in the tech industry with the great displacement. In the group I'm in I'm the single Canadian of the five of us. Including an ugly Israeli for a manager. And they absolutely think this is normal and that there are no Canadians who could do their jobs. Except for the Israeli they're all very bright and competent but utterly clueless.

Blogger Doug Cranmer April 05, 2017 9:31 AM  

Had exactly this discussion with a white liberal school teacher last night. Any form of whites looking out for themseves is racism. Non-whites doing are fine because oppression.

Blogger Student in Blue April 05, 2017 9:32 AM  

But they will never vote for a black republican.

Like Cail said, that's because they view them as Uncle Toms. The Republican party is "the white party" so any black republican is just an Uncle Tom.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 05, 2017 9:42 AM  

If one black like Ben Carson or J.C. Watts goes to the other side, that just proves he's a traitor.

Like Cail said, that's because they view them as Uncle Toms. The Republican party is "the white party" so any black republican is just an Uncle Tom.


You know if nate had just mentioned that in his original comment.

Oh wait.

Anonymous Stephen J. April 05, 2017 9:43 AM  

The Republican party is "the white party" so any black republican is just an Uncle Tom.

Then they're not voting by race. They're voting by politics and calling it race. Which only works because they've been politically conditioned to think the two are identical.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 05, 2017 9:45 AM  

Blacks voted for white Democrats because white was the set of politicians to choose from, which is why Bill Clinton was the first black President.

Blacks will not vote for a white when a pandering (i.e. non-"Uncle Tom") black is the viable option.

Democracy has moved white liberals to the back of the bus. They can be safely ignored now.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 05, 2017 9:47 AM  

Then they're not voting by race. They're voting by politics and calling it race. Which only works because they've been politically conditioned to think the two are identical.

Tell us more about how the dems are the real racis

Blogger VD April 05, 2017 9:48 AM  

Then they're not voting by race. They're voting by politics and calling it race. Which only works because they've been politically conditioned to think the two are identical.

Who gives a damn what the irrelevant 5 percent outliers do? Stop being stupidly pedantic and focus on the bloody point: even if only 75 percent of a group has strong tribal preferences, that precludes any possibility of multicultural democracy.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 05, 2017 9:49 AM  

Yeah, Nate said it before I did, I was just saying the same thing using more words, so it took longer.

No, they're not voting on politics and calling it race. Just the opposite: they're voting on race -- voting strictly for the party they think will do more for their race -- and everyone calls it politics, because the truth is uncomfortable.

Blogger seeingsights April 05, 2017 9:50 AM  

We are at the culmination of a trend since the 1960s. Since the 1960s, whites in the South and white ethnics in the North, though they might have voted for Democrats in local and state elections, gave Republicans dominance at the Presidential level from 1968 to 1988. And these Democrats that these voters voted for in local elections were closer to the center than other Democrats.
Now, I can't think of a truly centrist Democrat politician today.
But the Republican establishment chose not to continue to appeal to white voters. Trump, Steve Sailor and others rediscovered the winning national strategy.

Blogger JWM in SD April 05, 2017 9:51 AM  

"The real truth is that I don't think they ever believed, "they will save our social programs." This has been a Trojan Horse all along, it's a ruse."

I've heard that reasoning for well over two decades now. It's possible that they did believe it at one point but given events of the past 5 to 10 years, I don't see how they could anymore. Now it's just a political warfare tool and not much else.

Anonymous BBGKB April 05, 2017 9:53 AM  

Like Cail said, that's because they view them as Uncle Toms.

You would think that all the uncle Toms being successful would make them want to follow their paths to success since it is more certain to work than being a raper.

To me it is self-evident that the New American Somalis, the New American Latin-Americans, the New American Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims not to mention the Old American Blacks will, if they reach a voting majority, END any programs that preferentially benefit Old American Whites.

You are more optimistic than me I would expect India level of power reliability and sanitation by that time, they won't need to vote.

who defined all these (((a-holes))) who push this Mass Immigration Narrative as "brilliant?"..I believe it was the (((a-holes)))

Only (((As Seen On TV))) it's bad enough that they lied about Einstein's accomplishments but that welfare queen Elon Musk is ruining Tesla's good name.

Blogger Student in Blue April 05, 2017 9:53 AM  

You know if nate had just mentioned that in his original comment.

I guess I'm really tired this morning. Somehow missed the very first comment.

@24. Stephen J.
Then they're not voting by race. They're voting by politics and calling it race. Which only works because they've been politically conditioned to think the two are identical.

If they were voting by politics, they'd sometimes change up which party they're voting for in order to advance their goals. Or even threaten to vote for a different party.

They're voting by identity instead. In which race is a part.

Blogger praetorian April 05, 2017 9:55 AM  

Thank you, BLM, thank you Tim Wise, thank you Team Obama. You have done more to teach North American whites, an otherwise disparate grouping, that they are a nation.

An irony of history: we weren't a people until they made us one.

They memed a little too hard.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 05, 2017 9:56 AM  

By the way, blacks aren't just "politically conditioned" to think the Democrats are their party; it's also the truth. A white Democrat like Hillary Clinton will give blacks, as a group, more of what they want than a black Republican like Ben Carson would. It's not even close.

Blogger tz April 05, 2017 9:58 AM  

Blacks listen to their leaders - the reverends like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, celebrities or politicians, e.g. Detroit's Coleman Young at the time (Bill Lucas was Sheriff and ran for Governor). Who cares about 501c3?

Meanwhile, I've observed that bringing low cost labor from the 3rd world always ends badly. The war of northern aggression was an earlier example, and the justifications for slavery sound like those for H1-Bs and illegals. Civil war indeed.

Blogger Chana April 05, 2017 10:00 AM  

So, Hillary's big mistake was not choosing Booker for VP. I thought so at the time.

Anonymous Jay Shapiro April 05, 2017 10:00 AM  

If we did a better job educating people on the Constitution and Von Mises, then blacks and immigrants would overwhelmingly vote Republican. I can see a true libertarian like Justin Amash or Ted Cruz winning in 2020, assuming Trump is impeached. But for this to happen, the Right needs to drop this nativist populist anti-Semite crap right away.

Blogger tz April 05, 2017 10:03 AM  

The other thing to note is (secular) Jews and Europeans are splitting apart.
With the Democrats shifting, they won't have a home.

Anonymous Grayman April 05, 2017 10:03 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:Blacks will still vote for a white democrat over a black republican.

That's true, but white Republicans have learned exactly the wrong lesson from it. They assume blacks in that case are putting politics above race, but they're not. Blacks see Democrats as the black party and Republicans as the white party, and they vote for their race's party. If one black like Ben Carson or J.C. Watts goes to the other side, that just proves he's a traitor. When they vote for a white Democrat against him, they are voting on racial lines.


Blacks may not be 105+ IQ but they are not stupid, If you ever have a real open honest discussion with them, they are well aware that they cannot compete in a “republican” / alt-right / conservative system/party. They will not vote for Ben Carson or any other “conservative” black because that road leads to the end of hand outs and “white guilt” dividends. From that perspective the ben Carsons of the world will always be “uncle tom” to the majority of blacks.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore April 05, 2017 10:03 AM  

Black folks are voting by race which also means voting against the allegedly racist party (the GOP). There are institutions in place to make sure that popular Black culture does not deviate from this practice. I call these institutions an "Afristocracy" - an oligarchy of untrained clerics, well known lawyers, and news/ media pundits. This oligarchy acts as overseers on a plantation operated by the Democratic party.

To change voting patterns is to change the culture. To change the culture is to change the mind. This is not going to happen with a culture that continues to believe that Trayvonn Martin, Michael Brown, Alton Sterling, and Philando Castille are martyrs.

Anonymous Grayman April 05, 2017 10:10 AM  

Jay Shapiro wrote:If we did a better job educating people on the Constitution and Von Mises, then blacks and immigrants would overwhelmingly vote Republican…...


No they would not. In honest discussion most minority groups are well aware that the majority of the minority groups cannot compete in a white society. These groups understand self-interest perfectly well and while never openly saying will never engage in a “republican” society without special considerations for their groups.

Blogger tz April 05, 2017 10:11 AM  

@37 That won't work. They don't want to be educated, don't follow reason and evidence (you reject the latter).
Check put Stefan Molyneux on YouTube.
Whites with high time preferences, IQs, and traditions of philosophy and property and Christianity are the only ones who want freedom, and not all whites do.
If you doubt, Mises.org is in Auburn Alabama, near some of the black run hellholes like Selma - Even Auburn itself has the demographics. Instead of more "scholarly papers", lets see if they can turn Selma into Galt's Gulch. At least what Mormon missionaries do. Make sure your insurance is paid up.

Blogger Gaiseric April 05, 2017 10:12 AM  

Jay Shapiro wrote:If we did a better job educating people on the Constitution and Von Mises, then blacks and immigrants would overwhelmingly vote Republican. I can see a true libertarian like Justin Amash or Ted Cruz winning in 2020, assuming Trump is impeached. But for this to happen, the Right needs to drop this nativist populist anti-Semite crap right away.
I'm not sure if you're a libertarian cargo cultist or just a (((troll))). I imagine most of the posters here, if they stick around, it's because they've gone through the painful process of shedding their libertarian cargo cult beliefs in favor of a more reality influenced belief set. They're not going to say "nevermind" because Ben's little brother calls them anti-semites.

Blogger Nate April 05, 2017 10:12 AM  

"So, Hillary's big mistake was not choosing Booker for VP. I thought so at the time."

Like so many others.. Hillary looked at the black turnout in 08 and 12 and assumed she'd get something in that ballpark.

She didn't.

Blogger tz April 05, 2017 10:14 AM  

The only hope for blacks is blue collar jobs. The ones going to China and Mexico. They often weren't the best workers, but better than having them on welfare and the streets.

Or they have to go back. I hear South Africa could use more educated Blacks. And we can take the Boers.

Blogger Chana April 05, 2017 10:14 AM  

Missouri was a swing state in the 2008 election. Last year Trump won it by 19 pts. Arkansas was a solid Democratic state in 1992. Whats happening can't be attributed to "Richard Nixon's Southern Strategy" any more. Whites recognizing a "white party" is organic. Only a matter of time before very-white New England goes the same way. How will the Democratic Party recruit good candidates when theres a race/ethnic limit on opportunity for a white Democrat? Massachusetts politicians like to run for president.

Blogger Nate April 05, 2017 10:15 AM  

"Or they have to go back. I hear South Africa could use more educated Blacks. And we can take the Boers."

They are no more african than white americans are british.

Blogger SmockMan April 05, 2017 10:16 AM  

Jay Shapiro wrote:If we did a better job educating people on the Constitution and Von Mises, then blacks and immigrants would overwhelmingly vote Republican. I can see a true libertarian like Justin Amash or Ted Cruz winning in 2020, assuming Trump is impeached. But for this to happen, the Right needs to drop this nativist populist anti-Semite crap right away. This has to be a troll post....

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 05, 2017 10:18 AM  

Or they have to go back. I hear South Africa could use more educated Blacks. And we can take the Boers.

They're not going anywhere

Blogger Nate April 05, 2017 10:20 AM  

"They're not going anywhere"

They aren't even the problem. The problems are the damn asians taking the good white color jobs and the browns taking the good blue collar jobs.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 05, 2017 10:22 AM  


They aren't even the problem. The problems are the damn asians taking the good white color jobs and the browns taking the good blue collar jobs.


Correct, plus robots and disability.

Blogger Nate April 05, 2017 10:25 AM  

"This has to be a troll post...."

YA THINK SO???

Anonymous Looking Glass April 05, 2017 10:27 AM  

@33 praetorian

Well, Lincoln created "Southerners". So, technically, national politicians from Illinois have a track record of this.

Anonymous Grayman April 05, 2017 10:27 AM  

@47 Nate

They are no more african than white americans are british.

Can you image the size of the productivity boost a state / region would see if you replaced a large portion of the black population with Suidlanders (Boers)?

Yes, but with their mutual predication for violence and chaos the American blacks should feel right at home.

Blogger tz April 05, 2017 10:27 AM  

NAP
It's not that freedom is bad, but only whites think its rad!

Blogger JWM in SD April 05, 2017 10:27 AM  

"They aren't even the problem. The problems are the damn asians taking the good white color jobs and the browns taking the good blue collar jobs."

Yeah, I think we have to be more concerned about Muslims who will take your head if you don't convert.

Blogger praetorian April 05, 2017 10:28 AM  

The traditional black homeland in the United States is in the south. This is where institutions were created to deal with the specific sociological issues that blacks face, and this is where they should be encouraged to migrate to over time.

Blogger praetorian April 05, 2017 10:29 AM  

Well, Lincoln created "Southerners". So, technically, national politicians from Illinois have a track record of this.

TOPKEK

Blogger Cail Corishev April 05, 2017 10:29 AM  

Blacks may not be 105+ IQ but they are not stupid,

Right. It's selling them short to assume the Democrats have them bamboozled. They are voting in their interests -- their racial interests. We could argue that they're wrong, that the Republican platform would actually be better for their race in the long-term, but they don't believe that, and they might not care if they did.

Hillary looked at the black turnout in 08 and 12 and assumed she'd get something in that ballpark.

Which was crazy, because Obama got 99% of blacks in 2008. At least 1% of people probably vote for the wrong person on accident. Add his big turnout to that, and she should have expected a letdown.

I don't have any facts to back it up, but I still figure Hillary being a woman hurt her more with black men than being white did. They probably would have happily voted for her husband again.

Anonymous Grayman April 05, 2017 10:30 AM  

Josh

They're not going anywhere

Maybe, maybe not. If the coming conflict devolves into out right ethnic cleansing, the blacks could see a large% of their population decimated for many reasons, but a large factor would be them being primarily urban communities.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 05, 2017 10:32 AM  

The Left gave whites a role in identity politics and we will take it from there.

But what I find deliciously ironic is how some Jews are trying to tamp down us untermensch, I suggest they double down on that.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 05, 2017 10:32 AM  

This has to be a troll post....

I thought it was satire. Too subtle, maybe.

Anonymous fop April 05, 2017 10:33 AM  

Hillary carries hot sauce in her purse. Puts it on her chitlins and collared greens. And her pizza.

Anonymous Looking Glass April 05, 2017 10:34 AM  

@46 Chana

I look forward to the coordinated shaming campaigns of Snowflakes for being race traitors. That's fertile ground for causing deep pain in those people. I look forward to that.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore April 05, 2017 10:36 AM  

OT: Speaking of Boers..... Sooooo who is following the emerging crisis in South Africa?

https://suidlanders.org/

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 05, 2017 10:36 AM  

So, Hillary's big mistake was not choosing Booker for VP. I thought so at the time.

Maybe so, but that wouldn't have earned her many more votes. The geriatric Mandingo optics would have pissed off all sorts of people who otherwise voted for Hillary, and wouldn't have been a net gain in turnout for those who didn't show up.

In other words:

"Yes We Can" > "Yes Ma'am."

Blogger Resident Moron™ April 05, 2017 10:37 AM  

As a Twitter acquaintance noted last night; just looking at the changes on a map over the last 500 years looks like white supremacy is a sinple historical fact.

But noting historical facts is raycissss....

Blogger tz April 05, 2017 10:38 AM  

@47 They are no more african than white americans are british.

But it will take a while for the Africans to figure that out, especially if we paid them to take them per capita.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker April 05, 2017 10:38 AM  

@62: I thought it was David French. In digital disguise, of course.

Anonymous Looking Glass April 05, 2017 10:40 AM  

@59 Cail Corishev

I'm not a huge fan of slicing & dicing Exit Polls, but it's something like 15% of Black Men voted for Trump, while overall Black turnout was rather far down. (This was wholly predictable. I, in fact, did predict this!)

As for Black voting patterns in general, if they held their politicians actually accountable, this really wouldn't be much of a discussion. But considering that only Western Protestants are the only ones that actually believe in the concept of Responsibility, that's, sadly, not too surprising.

Blogger Nate April 05, 2017 10:42 AM  

"The traditional black homeland in the United States is in the south. This is where institutions were created to deal with the specific sociological issues that blacks face, and this is where they should be encouraged to migrate to over time."

blacks and whites in general get along far better down here. primarily because the South is largely voluntarily segregated. we have whole black towns... and all white towns. particularly in rural areas. It works.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 05, 2017 10:42 AM  

This is a classic series of comments. People descended from inside the Hajnal line, with their higher altruism and lower ingroup preference, seek to explain tribal behavior. But not in terms of "this is how the rest of the world works", no, because blank slate.

Rather, explain tribalism in their own Hajnal line, long time preference, altruistic way. Cognitive dissonance results. It's like watching a nice Minnesota hot-dish DFL lady trying to explain why the Somalis obviously vote purely on skin color, race, tribe while at the same time keeping her anti-racism script running.

Some of y'all are colorblind men trying to explain what "plaid" looks like. It's funny.

Anonymous Grayman April 05, 2017 10:45 AM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote:OT: Speaking of Boers..... Sooooo who is following the emerging crisis in South Africa?

https://suidlanders.org



Any VFM or alt-right types on this blog interested in hearing them speak in the NYC metro area? They are doing a tour of the US to speak about the white genocide in South Africa. If so hit me up on GAB (Drdeplorable)

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian April 05, 2017 10:47 AM  

@37 If we did a better job educating people on the Constitution and Von Mises, then blacks and immigrants would overwhelmingly vote Republican. I can see a true libertarian like Justin Amash or Ted Cruz winning in 2020, assuming Trump is impeached. But for this to happen, the Right needs to drop this nativist populist anti-Semite crap right away.

Perfect. A tear came to my eye.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 05, 2017 10:48 AM  

@70 Looking Glass
As for Black voting patterns in general, if they held their politicians actually accountable, this really wouldn't be much of a discussion.

But they do. They do hold their politicians accountable. Just not the way you want them to. Coleman Young was the Duke of Detroit for years and years because why?

But considering that only Western Protestants are the only ones that actually believe in the concept of Responsibility, that's, sadly, not too surprising.

QED. You just made my point. "Accountable" means one thing to you and another thing to 85 IQ tribalists.

Blogger Basil Makedon April 05, 2017 10:49 AM  

Thirty or more years of relentless race-baiting by the left and the mass importation of new voters for the vote plantation -- well, the end result is hardly unforeseeable to anyone with their eyes open.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 05, 2017 10:51 AM  

As for Black voting patterns in general, if they held their politicians actually accountable,

It looks to me like they do hold them accountable, and their politicians do deliver. Affirmative action, trillions in transfer payments, anti-racist speech codes and laws... Democrats (and Republicans trying to outdo them) have given them everything they demanded short of official reparations, and even that gets discussed semi-seriously now.

Granted, maybe all that hasn't resulted in the level of prosperity and happiness they expected, but you can't say the politicians didn't try.

Anonymous BBGKB April 05, 2017 10:53 AM  

A white Democrat like Hillary Clinton will give blacks, as a group, more of what they want than a black Republican like Ben Carson would.

Ben Carson would help black kids study to be the best they can be, Crooked Eye Clinton would be making black daughters put out for money before they start to bleed on their own.

Any VFM or alt-right types on this blog interested in hearing them speak in the NYC metro area?

Even the gays on this blog don't want to get close enough to NYC to smell the urine.

Blogger CJ April 05, 2017 10:55 AM  

#15 Johnny

On a strictly economic level the problem with these immigrants is that we already have a surplus of minimally skilled labor. So, when one comes in somebody ends up unemployed; either an American or the immigrant.

Good point, well stated, except it's not "strictly economic", it's aggravating major social problems.

#37 "Jay Shapiro" is surely a satirist -- and a pretty good one, actually.

Blogger CJ April 05, 2017 10:57 AM  

And I might add to Johnny's point, yes there is a surplus of low-skilled labor AND we're clearly having a wave of automation. So why bring in more?

Blogger Al From Bay Shore April 05, 2017 10:58 AM  

@78 If you have the chance, check out the Suidlanders spokesperson. I learned about them and the emergent crisis in South Africa via an interview done my Cernovich.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHzVeEB1I-4&t=129s

Anonymous Clueless Cuckservative April 05, 2017 10:58 AM  

But...but....but...muh NATURAL Conservatives!
Whut about muh natural conservatives?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 05, 2017 11:01 AM  

@80 CJ
And I might add to Johnny's point, yes there is a surplus of low-skilled labor AND we're clearly having a wave of automation. So why bring in more?

Well, then, I guess it isn't really about "Jobs Americans won't do", is it? Must be something else. What could it be?

Blogger Peter Jackson April 05, 2017 11:18 AM  

I've thought for a while now that the Democrats will always run some sort of "oppressed" minority candidate, just like the last three elections. They need their solid 12% black vote to carry them. What they hadn't planned on was Trump stealing the white working class from under their noses.

Anonymous Jay Will April 05, 2017 11:19 AM  

@Nate

"I agree they will vote for a black dem over a white dem or over a yellow or brown dem.

But they will never vote for a black republican."

White Democrats are more likely to be anti-white, and pro transformation via immigration. Black repubs are more likely to be honest about the real causes of black dysfunctionality. Effectively they are both traitors in the sense they are perceived to act against the interests of their ethnic group.

Black people want more black people, white people want to stay majority.

Iv'e said to people "would you want to live in a country that is 70% Muslim"? If they were fully PC they would say, yes I would love to live in a 70% Muslim country. Instead they tell me that it will never happen! Yes but what it if it did? But they keep repeating it will never happen! They can't face it.

If being a minority is so horrible why the hell would anybody want to vote to become one?



Blogger dc.sunsets April 05, 2017 11:25 AM  

Had exactly this discussion with a white liberal school teacher last night. Any form of whites looking out for themseves is racism. Non-whites doing are fine because oppression.

People can endure a lot of cognitive dissonance in order to ignore the obvious and rationalize the "feelz" that well up from their social mood herding impulsion.

even if only 75 percent of a group has strong tribal preferences, that precludes any possibility of multicultural democracy.

Add in the key ingredient--the end of the false prosperity of the Credit Bubble/Debt Insanity--and suddenly whites will rush to ingroup so fast, seismic instruments might register it.

A world of (preceived) scarce resources will have ZERO TOLERANCE for pissing away money, set-asides, Affirmative Action, etc. on anyone.

The white(((ish))) media personalities, all twenty or thirty of them, plus even a million of their most zealous cultists, won't matter a bit in the face of 200,000,000 fellow white countrymen who choose to hang together rather than be picked clean by the parasites and vultures.

Blogger Wyndie April 05, 2017 11:31 AM  

SC is a solidly Repulican state with a black population that is approx. 30%. Most whites learned long ago to vote for the White (Rep) party. What is now happening is that the Northerners are getting the education that we got in the 1970's. I hope they get it good and hard.

Anonymous Grayman April 05, 2017 11:33 AM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:@80 CJ

And I might add to Johnny's point, yes there is a surplus of low-skilled labor AND we're clearly having a wave of automation. So why bring in more?

Well, then, I guess it isn't really about "Jobs Americans won't do", is it? Must be something else. What could it be?


I’ll give you a real world example. There was a packaging operation for a biotech pharma drug that had special requirements. It took 6 to 8 people to run a traditional packaging line with the people on the line making an average of 35K/yr. It made more sense to spend 2 million on a fully automated packing line in which 2 humans can run 2 full packaging line. Replacing 16 people with 4 million worth of fully automated equipment had a payoff period of 3 – 4 years when the equipment has a 15yr expected life. It also increases the throughput of the lines by about 60%. It also decreased associated regulatory costs substantially, as when you use people there is substantial regulatory paper work involved.

It is usually not about jobs that people will not do. Its simple business.

Anonymous Edjamacator April 05, 2017 11:34 AM  

Nate wrote:I agree they will vote for a black dem over a white dem or over a yellow or brown dem.

But they will never vote for a black republican.


The one allegiance they put over skin color is allegiance to gimmedat.

Anonymous Grayman April 05, 2017 11:48 AM  

Wyndie wrote:SC is a solidly Repulican state with a black population that is approx. 30%. Most whites learned long ago to vote for the White (Rep) party. What is now happening is that the Northerners are getting the education that we got in the 1970's. I hope they get it good and hard.

I’m in the Northeast and can tell you that it will not change easily. The massive concentration of minorities and illegals in the urban areas virtually controls the voting as well as substantial vote corruption. If you read the comments in the local online news the average white is sick of it all but they are still too afraid of being called names to speak out, there is still enough social capital sensitivity that being labeled like that can cause problems in social circles. I think it will take some major event, like a muslim attack on a local school or other public venue. Or perhaps a high profile rape of a young girl in the local area to get people past the fear of being labeled by the left. Pressure is building but it is not at critical mass yet.

Anonymous Mr. Rational April 05, 2017 12:00 PM  

Grayman wrote:I’m fairly certain that the vast majority of these immigrant groups consume noticeable more social resources then they contribute to.
Some classes of immigrants may be net positives, but Blacks and Hispanics in general are massive drains.  We must also consider the following generations:  Nidal Hasan, Syed Farook and Nkosi Thandiwe were all US-born.

Blogger James Dixon April 05, 2017 12:17 PM  

> So, Hillary's big mistake was not choosing Booker for VP. I thought so at the time.

That and the "basket of deplorables" thing.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 05, 2017 12:24 PM  

I've observed that bringing low cost labor from the 3rd world always ends badly. The war of northern aggression was an earlier example, and the justifications for slavery sound like those for H1-Bs and illegals.

Shoulda picked our own damn lettuce. And written our own damn poorly implemented websites.

Anyway, regarding

What if minority voters just won’t turn out for non-minority candidates any more? That’s a real problem for the Democrats,

the writing was on the wall for this back in '08 when the Dems wanted to nominate Hillary. As soon as Black, er, I mean Barak, Obama looked like he could win the nomination, the Dems were hosed, they had to nominate him, because if they didn't, Blacks would stay home feeling betrayed, and without the 90+% Black vote, Dems would get slaughtered at the state and national level.

There is however, a possibility of Blacks switching their allegiance to the "white" Republican (or whatever it ends up being called) party. Whether it's likely or not, I don't know, but Blacks would probably rather be the junior partner in a party run by Whites than be the losing tribe in a coalition of Mexicans, Orientals, Arabs and Jews. Anti-immigration is going to be a winning position with American Blacks eventually, once enough of them are woke themselves. Immigrants steal jobs from Black people, steal set asides from them, and don't give two damns about oppressing Blacks.

Blogger praetorian April 05, 2017 12:41 PM  

blacks and whites in general get along far better down here. primarily because the South is largely voluntarily segregated. we have whole black towns... and all white towns. particularly in rural areas. It works.

Yep.

The south is clearly their homeland, paid for in blood, hope and tragedy. They should go there and become who they are, rather than living in darwinian hell holes like Detroit.

Blogger Pteronarcyd April 05, 2017 12:44 PM  

Live by coalition of minority interests, die by the alienation/disaffection of minority interests. Proof of God's existence.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 05, 2017 1:14 PM  

They should go there and become who they are, rather than living in darwinian hell holes like Detroit.

No one should live in Detroit

Anonymous Looking Glass April 05, 2017 1:16 PM  

@94 Praetorian

https://infogalactic.com/info/New_Great_Migration

I had remembered seeing stories about supposed migration of Blacks from the NE to the South, but, umm... 4% change in a couple of decades isn't exactly much of a change.

Blogger Mr. Bee April 05, 2017 1:55 PM  

Blacks only ever voted for Blacks too

Uh, no. Pay them enough and they will cough up their votes. Black Republicans are only elected in white areas, not black.

Blogger DonReynolds April 05, 2017 2:05 PM  

Of course, the more the Democrat party shifts to the Hard Left, thinking they are recovering the Bernie voters, they more they will push the non-Bernie voters out of the party.

Yes, there is a refrain in the Democrat party that says they need Negro and Hispanic candidates in order to keep the ethnic voter. This too, will convince the moderate whites that they have no place in the party.

The battle lines are starting to harden and the barricades are being thrown up across the streets. This fight will not be over a city (like in Paris in 1840s) but an entire country and 50 states.

Just as before, a movement should not count the noses of their supporters.....it should count the number of weapons and the proficiency of the owners. The basic problem with social revolts is....they are not equipped or skilled in the use of arms. Like pigs in the forest, running away is their only hope of survival.

Blogger DonReynolds April 05, 2017 2:18 PM  

@87 Wyndie
South Carolina is almost 30 percent Negro. The latest figure is 28.48 percent. But there are two good reasons why Negro populations cannot have much impact on election day.....
First, a disproportionate number of Negroes are children, too young to vote on election day.
Second, as many as a third of adults are convicted felons and prevented from voting by law.
These two factors seriously diminish the actually voting strength of ethnic minorities.
These same factors hold true for Hispanic populations as well.

Blogger praetorian April 05, 2017 2:25 PM  

> No one should live in Detroit

Detroit was the richest city in America at one point.

They should do that again.

Anonymous fop April 05, 2017 2:31 PM  

So, Hillary's big mistake was not choosing Booker for VP

Hillary's big mistake was being a lying bitch.

Blogger Nate April 05, 2017 2:34 PM  

"Detroit was the richest city in America at one point"

It has never not been a shit hole. yes... in terms of per capita income it was tops in the country.

And it was still a shit hole.

Blogger Nate April 05, 2017 2:38 PM  

"The south is clearly their homeland, paid for in blood, hope and tragedy. They should go there and become who they are, rather than living in darwinian hell holes like Detroit."

I would note that they were imported to Detroit for exactly the same reasons browns and yellows are imported today.

Cheap labor.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 05, 2017 3:12 PM  

Detroit was the richest city in America at one point.

They should do that again.


Unions are awesome

Blogger Geir Balderson April 05, 2017 3:37 PM  

Yep! I have marveled at the stupidity of Californian politicians that have offered every perk in the book to allow our little brown friends in to feed off of the Great State the whites have built.
Now, with the Hispanics, latinos or la raza in the majority, are they gonna vote for a black, a Pelosi or a Gavin Newsome (he is about as pasty and slimey as you get)? Why vote for them when you have a Sanchez or Hernandez on the ballot? Nancy? Is that winning for white or black democrats? The good news is how long before Maxine Waters is pushed to the curb???

Anonymous Be Deplorable, Not Afraid April 05, 2017 4:49 PM  

Driscoll was still posting there as of a week or so ago. He was never-Trump, and I stopped reading Instapundit because of him.

Anonymous Chrome Dynamo April 05, 2017 6:04 PM  

Moshe Kasher has a new "talk show" on comedy central. Part of it will be trolling the alt-right. Will he show up here? Another one not to watch

Anonymous A.B. Prosper April 05, 2017 6:25 PM  

praetorian wrote:> No one should live in Detroit

Detroit was the richest city in America at one point.

They should do that again.


Completely impossible. Ubiquitous computing and rampant automation mean low demand for the kind of labor that made Detroit rich. Good paying jobs for regular folk and a near global monopoly on production meant vast wealth for Detroit and the USA

The monopoly isn't coming back and as soon as our status as hegemonic power cracks, well have to pay retail . US will grow more poor and unequal under every single scenario

However with good economic stewardship ,a low intervention foreign policy and most of all a removal of foreigners we can have a pleasant nation to live in

Anonymous Avalanche April 05, 2017 7:15 PM  

@18 "The left is setting the stage for a strongman dictator type to take power and for ethnic cleansing."

Trump Trump TRUMP!!

(Oh, sorry... my hopes and dreams got the better of me for a sec. But WHAT is he doing!? How can it be SO clear to us, and yet he's acting all statesmanly and deliberate?! Where is Darth Bannon and WHY is Death Grandma not yet in jail!? What has become of the Weinerman's laptop and allllll the info supposedly on it?

SO frustrating!)

Anonymous Avalanche April 05, 2017 7:25 PM  

@57 "The traditional black homeland in the United States is in the south. ... this is where they should be encouraged to migrate to over time."

Ah, so you agree we should throw all the blacks over Trump's wall into Middle and South America. Okay, I'm good with that. When can we start?

Anonymous Avalanche April 05, 2017 7:30 PM  

@74 "@37 If we did a better job educating people... then blacks and immigrants would overwhelmingly vote Republican. I can see a true libertarian ... winning in 2020, assuming Trump is impeached. ... the Right needs to drop this nativist populist anti-Semite crap right away.

Perfect. A tear came to my eye. "

*I* thought: Ewwww, stinky poop. DON'T touch the poop!

Anonymous Avalanche April 05, 2017 7:46 PM  

@99 "Like pigs in the forest, running away is their only hope of survival."

Not when the Alt Right has surrounded the forest!

Blogger VD April 05, 2017 9:22 PM  

But for this to happen, the Right needs to drop this nativist populist anti-Semite crap right away.

No. Also, you have to go back.

Blogger Akulkis April 06, 2017 1:07 AM  

@14

"What I find alarming is it seems all the weird, defective, socially awkward, mentally deficient, easily swayed, Manipulative, scheming, Violent etc people are congregating on the liberal side. When the inevitable switch happens these folks will jump over too. While decent shock troops and cannon fodder they're a double edged sword and are just as likely to poison us as they are poisoning their own side."

What happened to Ernst Roem and most of the SA?

Blogger Mordakei Silberreich April 06, 2017 5:00 AM  

Dis nigga right hurrr wat he name carsun shiieett nigga wanys us niggs to get jobs n shiiet

Blogger bosscauser April 06, 2017 1:00 PM  

It's amusing Black politicians supporting Latino immigration when Jose will always prefer voting for Carlos 😊

#PresidentTrump2020

Blogger ViciousCreep April 06, 2017 3:46 PM  

@59 "I still figure Hillary being a woman hurt her more with black men than being white did."

The woman she is hurt her.

Blogger Unknown April 08, 2017 12:30 AM  

There are multiple white nations in America.

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