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Monday, April 10, 2017

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Huggums asks about the likely fate of US Africans in the coming period of ethnic strife:
VD, in your ideal world, what would become of American black people in the coming years? I think you already told me what you think will happen: black people will be forcibly moved or killed at some point in the future based on the "diversity + proximity = war" principle. I'm asking because I want to continue offering my support to your cause because I believe it is actually based in truth, but I no longer see how I can. Where could a black person possibly fit in to this?
My cause is a) the truth, b) Christianity, and c) Western civilization. If anyone can't support those things, well, I can't honestly say that have any more concern for their opinion or support than I do for anyone else who is devoted to a) falsehood, b) Satan, or c) barbarism. I don't have an "ideal world". I have never constructed my version of utopia. I don't even believe in the concept of an "ideal world", and as my novels tend to demonstrate I do not spend any time whatsoever dreaming up a flawless version of the real world. I have certainly never once given any thought to where American black people might fit in such a Panglossian conception.

In fairness, I have likewise never given any thought to the ideal fate of Venezuelans, Esquimaux, kangaroos, dandelions, or praying mantises either. I simply don't think about such things. I never have. They are not of interest to me.

Huggums is, in my opinion, making two very common mistakes. First is to view everything from the "what about me?" perspective. This is a literal category error; one cannot meaningfully consider macrosocietal trends and issues from an individual perspective. It is ridiculous to say "X would be wrong because it would have negative consequences for me" and it is even worse to say "X is impossible because I wouldn't want that to happen."

History doesn't care about you or your kind. The great waves of social mood don't care about you or your nation. Even the great men of history, the Gaius Juliuses and the Wellingtons, were caught up and tossed about by the uncaring tides of events. The arrogance of the globalists who think they control the direction of history is entirely misplaced; they are no less utopian dreamers than the communists with their inevitable worker's paradise or the Christian rapturists who recalculate the date of Christ's return every other decade.

His second mistake is to confuse what I expect to happen on the basis of past historical patterns with what I want. I cannot stress this enough: what I want is totally irrelevant. What all of us want is irrelevant. What is going to happen is going to happen according to the usual patterns of history.  Yes, blacks will be forcibly moved and killed. As will whites, Koreans, Chinese, Mexicans, mixed-race people, and pretty much everyone else. How does anyone imagine homogeneous nations are created in the first place? They don't spring ex nihilo out of the rocks.

That being said, my preference is for all association to be voluntary, since it is one of the basic Rights of Englishmen secured for the Posterity of the Founders by the U.S. Constitution. If white people don't want to live around black people, they should not be forced to do so. Each community should have the right to decide who is, and who is not, permitted to reside in it.

Some communities would prefer to be entirely homogenous. Others would value diversity. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with either preference. I suggest that Huggums try considering the question from the other perspective: how can blacks NOT support the Alt-Right cause when Mexicans are displacing them from historically black communities in the United States and the Chinese are beginning to move into Africa in increasing numbers?

It's one thing to worry that white people might not want you around. It's another to realize that your people are liable to be entirely deprived of anywhere they can call home. But if white people don't have a basic right to their own inviolate homelands, neither does anyone else. In this age of genetic testing, I cannot be certain that I would be welcome in a white community, but that does not lead me to conclude that, therefore, the people of that community should be deprived of their right of free association.

Because neither I, nor Huggums, nor anyone else, possess the intrinsic right to impose ourselves, wanted or not, on literally the entire human race as we happen to see fit at the moment.

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Anonymous Tyranid Prime April 10, 2017 11:59 AM  

By your definitions, does "forcibly moved" include things like "gentrification" and "white flight"?

Anonymous Mathias April 10, 2017 12:02 PM  

Well, in this respect, the Amerindians are very well off, they are already cordoned off and segregated in homogeneous communities, and most white people have no interest in moving around the reservations at this point, as the Red Man is already stuck on the shittiest land available.

This goes to show: even the shittiest land on earth, kept to one's own people, is better than a multiculture in a land that resembles the Garden of Eden. Futhermore, I know for a fact that in the American south that the local Whites are interbred enough with the local Indian Tribes for those contacts to keep the peace, at least for a while as the conflict heats up, Red skinned SJW's on the reservation nonwithstanding.

Anonymous DissidentRight April 10, 2017 12:02 PM  

Nobody will care about gentrification and white flight. But we will get the Trail of Tears 2.0, and people will probably care about that.

Anonymous Mathias April 10, 2017 12:04 PM  

@3,

The trail of tears and the Indian massacres of the late 1800's where a political punishment for the Indians Tribes of the South who had sided with the Confederacy, who had offered a much better deal than the Union was giving them.

Anonymous Mathias April 10, 2017 12:05 PM  

been offered*

Anonymous Mathias April 10, 2017 12:07 PM  

Whoops, not the Trail of Tears, I'm thinking of the post civil-war Indian removals. Jackson was pre-civil-war.

Blogger praetorian April 10, 2017 12:08 PM  

The historic home for blacks in America is the Black Belt:

https://infogalactic.com/info/Black_Belt_(U.S._region)

They should move there and rebuild the christian culture they had when things were getting better rather than worse, hang their criminals and make damned sure that the talented tenth have ten children per generation.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor April 10, 2017 12:09 PM  

In this age of genetic testing, I cannot be certain that I would be welcome in a white community, but that does not lead me to conclude that, therefore, the people of that community should be deprived of their right of free association.

It's worth pointing out that someone with this attitude is much more likely to be welcomed as a guest than someone who demands that natives accommodate him and his way of life.

Blogger Deadmau5 Patton April 10, 2017 12:10 PM  

Instead of asking "what is ideal?" or "what will happen?" you'd think people would be considering what they should be doing in preparation of coming changes.

I've never liked the Northwest Front or Harold Covington, but I always liked that they were at least doing something. Same goes for some of the New Black Panther offshoots in the South as much as they'd likely be my enemies were they in closer proximity.

They see times changing and are staking claims to territory ahead of time and organizing communities, which is what everyone should be doing if they don't want to be caught in a "what's gonna happen to me???" scenario. It doesn't mean they'll succeed or survive even, but they're far more prepared than most of us simply by being active participants.

Anonymous VFM #7916 April 10, 2017 12:11 PM  

I truly suggest Huggums read "Victoria". There are options for these situations that will likely work. Voluntary self-segregation and respect, true community policing, and shared moral foundations will maintain harmony between groups.

https://www.traditionalright.com/victoria/

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 10, 2017 12:13 PM  

Tyranid Prime wrote:By your definitions, does "forcibly moved" include things like "gentrification" and "white flight"?
Those are the old pattern. "I don't like to afford to live around those people. I'll leave."
That's the pattern because that's the only option left in the current legal system.

In the future, as in the past, "forcibly moved" will mean rape/murder/torture on side and arson/lynchings/trail of tears on the other.

It's already not safe for a White to set up shop in many formerly White urban neighborhoods, or even entire cities like Detroit. It's also not safe for a Black to live in some of their old hometowns, like Compton.

Amplify that by 10 and throw in societal breakdown.

Anonymous DissidentRight April 10, 2017 12:18 PM  

@4 @6 Mathias, actually I expect that Indians will be one of the few groups largely unaffected by the "Trail of Tears 2.0", should have clarified that.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer April 10, 2017 12:20 PM  

Tyranid Prime wrote:By your definitions, does "forcibly moved" include things like "gentrification" and "white flight"?

Don't want to speak for Vox but from my perspective I don't think so. "White Flight" doesn't prevent people from following them. "gentrification" might gradually force people out of a neighborhood but it doesn't tell them where they have to go. Frequently they move to traditionally white blue collar areas because they are the cheapest alternative neighborhood. This tends to cause strife with the people who traditionally lived in those areas.

"Forcibly moved" would involve not telling people "I don't care where you go but you can't afford to live here." Instead it will involve "All of your type have to move here to this location where you belong". Understand the difference?

Blogger APL April 10, 2017 12:26 PM  

"Where could a black person possibly fit in to this?"

There is always Liberia.

Blogger Eric Slate April 10, 2017 12:26 PM  

Based on the historical clash theory... In the case of US partition, US blacks are a large enough portion that they should be able to hold some areas. Such a black nation could reasonably be allied or in some sort of confederation with other partitions of their choice.

In this case, it is reasonable for blacks to support white nationalism in order to barter for some form of reciprocal support or confederation.

In the case of a non-partition of the US, it is reasonable to support the white nationalists in power on the US by bartering military service.

Anonymous fop April 10, 2017 12:29 PM  

If all out race war ever actually occurred, the safest place for Huggams would be in the deep south. This may not seem intuitive.

Blogger cheddarman April 10, 2017 12:29 PM  

Most people wont get the idea that ethnic strife will happen in the USA on a large scale until their world view gets violently raped.

Living in a house with real black people and walking into the middle of a home invasion of my neighbors by back thugs/white trash woke me the hell up.

OpenID dreadilkzee April 10, 2017 12:32 PM  

Border regions have always been the place for mixing of groups. Some times violent, sometimes bastions on trade. These are the best places for someone who wants a "heterogeneous" ethnic mix.

However, realize their stability is entirely based off the dominate neighbor who can protect it or at least not crush it. The border regions / cities are always the buffer point which can be good or bad.

I think the Black Panther leader calling for Blacks to move to the south and take over a city and state has the right idea. It will displace some people from Alabama and Louisiana but ultimately it would be better for the black and white people if the Blacks ALL moved there and started governing themselves and say "We will leave you guys alone, you leave us alone. We can trade but we have to have our own place to succeed or fail".

Honestly that is probably the best outcome for blacks in America and the least destructive.

Blogger Cicatrizatic April 10, 2017 12:35 PM  

@15. Eric Slate

Per praetorian's map above, they'd be most likely to hold the SEC states. The wages of slavery, 200 years later.

Likewise, the southern half of the territory annexed from Mexico in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo will almost certainly return to them. It is de-facto Mexican already.

Blogger ZhukovG April 10, 2017 12:35 PM  

It's difficult to predict what will happen because we don't know how dire the conditions will be when the current crisis erupts into open conflict.

But, I suspect that African-Americans, 100 years from now, will look back on Dr Martin Luther King Jr. and curse his name.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft April 10, 2017 12:36 PM  

@9. Deadmau5, yes. In addition to the element of "what will happen" there is also an element of "what changes can I myself realistically force into the pattern of what will happen".

Blogger Salt April 10, 2017 12:39 PM  

"Where could a black person possibly fit in to this?"

I'd ask, wherein do you want to fit and how do you want to fit? Huggums might want to consider it from such angle.

Blogger pyrrhus April 10, 2017 12:40 PM  

@20 I suspect you are right, because I think any African-Americans who survive will be much more intelligent, on average, than the current group....and they will have seen that History doesn't give a fig for their "rights."

Anonymous AbuDhabi April 10, 2017 12:41 PM  

TL;DR: Philosophical answers are unlikely to help someone who can't a) understand, b) believe the Alt-Right's live-and-let-live core.

It strikes me that what these folks are really asking is, "If what you're saying is true, and will come to pass, then what should *I* do?" I mean, they might not be fans of the current system, but the current system (usually) permits them to live.

It is highly doubtful that they will comprehend how the answer in the OP is an answer at all. To them, it will likely mean, "You get to die. Tough shit." You can probably understand why they might not like that answer. Why, indeed, should they get behind politics that from their perspective is about destroying them? The opposing side might be full of shit, but at least - to their minds - they're not advertising purging them from the face of the Earth.

It's sort of like the dilemma of a Jew who stands before the choice of throwing in with the Nazis, or the Communists. Objectively, both of them would purge him for being a Jew, but the Commies aren't advertising this. If he's smart, he'll choose neither, but not all Jews are smart.

Additionally, these people are brought up on a steady diet of universalist supremacy and lies that they in some measure recognize and nonetheless repeat. Is it any wonder that they cannot believe you that when you say that ALL nations deserve to live in peace? They'll just round it off to lies, because there's no option in their worldview for dissent against the Official Truth. You're not allowed to let someone be Wrong on God's green Earth, and if there are multiple viewpoints, that means that all but one are false!

OTOH, there's also the issue of inevitability. If what is meant to happen, will happen, what's the point of joining any movement or party or worldview? It won't matter. It's a waste of energy.

Anonymous Alice De Goon April 10, 2017 12:42 PM  

So Charles Manson was right. Helter Skelter is coming; he just got the timing wrong. (He also seemed to be more optimistic about black people's chances than a run of the mill racist would- he thought they would wipe Whitey off the map, then have to turn to him and his "family" (the only white people left) to govern things.

If black people do carve a homeland for themselves in the Deep South, what's going to keep it from becoming Detroit: the Country? Methinks it would behoove black leaders to reevaluate the level of civilization that their people are able to uphold, realize that "Blame Whitey for Everything Bad and Expect Gibs in Return For Votes" is no longer a viable strategy for survival, and create an economy where sub-100 IQ individuals can make a decent living. (Perhaps returning to an agricultural system of some sort, with manufacturing plants here and there.) Like it or not, there's going to have to be some serious de-SCALEing of society before we can recreate a system where the vast majority of the population can earn enough from a single job to survive and support a family.

Anonymous Anonymous April 10, 2017 12:45 PM  

I've asked this before, but you've never directly answered. Why do you believe this great unmixing is going to come, and why do you believe its going to come in the near future?

I've also mentioned this before: southern Italy is basically a mixing bowl of races, and has been for a thousand years. They didn't 'unmix' 800 years ago, or 600, or 400, or 200. What makes you think they are going to do so now?

What makes you think USA (or Germany, or France, and so on) are going to 'unmix' in the near future? Why not go the route of southern Italy, and remain messy and mixed for a millennia?
How about the Balkans? They happen to be 'unmixing' in this generation, but they didn't unmix for a long long time. Will the West stay like the Balkans over the last 500 years, or be like the Balkans over the last 30? Why?

I get your model: post WWII, the repatriation of the Germans to Germany. Post Algerian War, the repatriation of the French to France. But there are also counter examples: see above.

"How does anyone imagine homogeneous nations are created in the first place?"

The people that lived there stayed there, and reproduced there. No 'unmixing' of a previously mixed population is necessary. Are you arguing that Ireland was a racial mixing bowl that unmixed in some ancient time, and its homogeny until about 40 years ago was due to that?

My model for the future of the West is actually Italy: Roman Empire then messy unmanageable mess for 1000 years. The Roman Empire didn't come back. Neither is the British Empire. Why will Western Civilization come back? It simply doesn't seem historically inevitable.

I'm sympathetic to your values, but your historical arguments make no sense to me.

anon

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Blogger JACIII April 10, 2017 12:49 PM  

dreadilkzee wrote:It will displace some people from Alabama and Louisiana but ultimately it would be better for the black and white people if the Blacks ALL moved there and started governing themselves and say "We will leave you guys alone, you leave us alone. We can trade but we have to have our own place to succeed or fail".

You misunderstand the situation blacks are in. They don't want to live in black town in a black world; they want to live in a black town in a white world. Many instinctively know this.

Best they can hope for is something like the Palestinians have with Israel. You live there and you can work here.

Blogger ZhukovG April 10, 2017 12:51 PM  

The European Nations are conquerors. We haven't changed, we've only allowed the fact to slip our minds for a time.

I believe that their will be no permanent break up of the Union. There will be no CSA II. What there will be is a homogeneous White Nation-State that will include all 50 states of the current Union. It's population will be somewhere between 110 and 130 million people.

I leave it to your fertile imaginations to figure out how the population was reduced.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 10, 2017 12:51 PM  

Add this OP to the FAQ. It's an excellent restatement of reality.

My kids are very, very smart, talented men. I think they have a good chance at continuing to propagate my line, but when this long trend reverses, pandemics, pogroms, civil war, world war, famine, you-name-it become entirely likely. No one knows who will make the cut, who will be in the wrong place at the wrong time, etc.

There are no "set and forget" arrangements for dealing with what's coming. And it is frankly laughable to debate specifics in a
social milieu with which we have ZERO experience. Everything we know about prior epochs is incomplete and saturated with Historian Bias.

Better, to me, is to cultivate less attachment to today's frills, learn to enjoy less more (wink), cultivate anti-fragility (however defined) and stop worrying about the headlines because we're all passengers on this Titanic.

"What about me" is textbook "We Are The World" collectivist thinking. Soon, it will become hyper-apparent that no one else cares about us, outside of our immediate family, our extended family and our close-by tribe. Those who can't navigate those waters will sink beneath them.

Blogger Gaiseric April 10, 2017 12:54 PM  

Nobody asked me, but what the heck; here's what I'd like to see. American blacks have essentially three choices: 1) if you're going to cry so much about it, go back to Africa. We already helped set up Liberia for you a hundred some odd years ago. Go there. 2) We could probably spare some spots for some reservation like areas. Harlem, and Detroit and much of the Greater St. Louis and Atlanta regions already are effectively black reservations in many ways anyway. Just formalize it. 3) Live among the white Americans, but quit your crying, whining, and expectation of being treated systematically any different than the white population. Cause trouble, and you can expect to be deported to 1 or 2 without appeal.

This has to be implemented before it really hits the fan, or nobody will have any patience for option 3, of course.

I think another ideal outcome might be settling them as a buffer state in Northern Mexico. Of course, that requires that we recognize that Mexico has been committing an act of war against us for decades now, and decide that surrendering that territory for us to establish the buffer state in the first place is our just due as reparations.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 April 10, 2017 12:54 PM  

Slightly OT:

Having Chinese move into Africa, especially sub-Saharan Africa, is, in my view, preferable to seeing Arabs move into Africa.

Anonymous MIG April 10, 2017 12:55 PM  

"Yes, blacks will be forcibly moved and killed. As will whites, Koreans, Chinese, Mexicans, mixed-race people, and pretty much everyone else. How does anyone imagine homogeneous nations are created in the first place? They don't spring ex nihilo out of the rocks."

They are also created through intermixing. If we look at the European nations today: French, English, Italians, Russians, and others, I am sure, were created out of heterogeneous groups that mixed and intermarried. They are not perfectly mixed. For example, people in the North-East of England have more Scandinavian blood than others, but still, they are still the same group, more or less. The Russian nation was forged from a number of East Slavic and Ugro-Finnish tribes.

Blogger Nate April 10, 2017 12:57 PM  

it is retarded to talk about blacks leaving america. it isn't going to happen. Blacks have been on this continent longer than the US has existed.

what's far more likely is a system of voluntary self segregation will emerge where populations will normalize with historically normal amounts of diversity... ie... very low.

Blogger DonReynolds April 10, 2017 12:59 PM  

Vox is correct and I am glad he chose to respond to this comment in a direct way.

Too many people seem to have it in their head that they can park on the couch and watch it all on television. They believe they can quietly ignore what is going on and the world will leave them alone. After all, if they are not causing any problems, no one else should cause a problem for them. I do not expect that to be the case, no matter what race you appear to be. EVERYONE will be caught up in the confusion and excitement.

There will be more than one "side". This is not checkers. And everyone will be part of the problem and, willing or not, they will also be a party to several solutions. Some will be extremely eager zealots but many will simply take the path of least resistance. Food and shelter and security will be major motivators.

We have already seen a taste of what can happen in this country, although it is not mentioned in the history textbooks. It is called a Rampage and usually happens over entire regions of the county. The last one I recall happened in the southwest back in the 1920s. No, it is not something directed by the government or enabled by Act of Congress, but the government will be unable to respond in an effective way as quickly as these things occur. What causes a Rampage? An outrageous act can trigger a lot of people.

Anonymous MIG April 10, 2017 1:03 PM  

@24 "It is highly doubtful that they will comprehend how the answer in the OP is an answer at all. To them, it will likely mean, "You get to die. Tough shit." "

That's not how I read the answer. I read it as "you'll have to figure it out."

Blogger Chris Mallory April 10, 2017 1:03 PM  

Cicatrizatic wrote:Per praetorian's map above, they'd be most likely to hold the SEC states. The wages of slavery, 200 years later.

Move them north. The Yankees want to free them then worked to overturn sensible Jim Crow laws. The more blacks in Boston the better.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 10, 2017 1:05 PM  

MIG wrote:For example, people in the North-East of England have more Scandinavian blood than others, but still, they are still the same group, more or less.
This is usually vastly overstated. The Romans ruled Britain for almost 400 years, and yet left almost no genetic legacy. I've read that it is estimated that fewer than 10,000 Vikings settled in England. Since the neolithic, although England has been conquered many times, the genetics are overwhelmingly the same as that of the Iron Age prehistoric tribes, even among the upper class and nobility.

Blogger Sheila4g April 10, 2017 1:05 PM  

Vox: "That being said, my preference is for all association to be voluntary, since it is one of the basic Rights of Englishmen secured for the Posterity of the Founders by the U.S. Constitution."

Absolutely agree, which is why I was rather bemused by a number of commenters in the other recent thread disparaging "Nazi larpers." The Alt Reich, in my opinion, has just as much a right to self determination and an independent community as anyone else. Those whose purity spiral would keep out Vox and/or any other individual of less than 100% pure Aryan ancestry can and should form their own community according to their own beliefs. Only when/if they attempt to impose those beliefs on others through conquest ought they to be rebuffed.

Huggums' concerns are natural; they're the reason I've decided to cut Thomas Sowell some slack for his later books [on social rather than purely economic matters] despite my strong disagreement. He is a Negro and his children are Negro and he is naturally concerned with his posterity. Claiming American Negro dysfunction is due to "copying" real and exaggerated dysfunctions of the Scots-Irish is naturally more palatable to him than facing, head on, the actual facts of HBD and reversion to the mean. Same way so many others [I'm thinking of a number of Sailer commenters now] claim to recognize HBD re Negroes and Whites but excuse away any other differences [Jews and Christians, Whites and Orientals] to culture and/or prejudice. Facts are facts, regardless of how they affect any particular individual or group.

As Vox says, recognizing the lessons of history /= promoting civil war or "ethnic cleansing."

Anonymous AbuDhabi April 10, 2017 1:05 PM  

@35

But then you're not the one whatabouting and acting confused.

Anonymous kfg April 10, 2017 1:06 PM  

@30: " We already helped set up Liberia for you a hundred some odd years ago."

Bicentennial coming up in a few years.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 1:06 PM  

@4 Mathias

The trail of tears and the Indian massacres of the late 1800's where a political punishment for the Indians Tribes of the South who had sided with the Confederacy, who had offered a much better deal than the Union was giving them.
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Except for the fact they happened BEFORE the Civil War.

"Between 1830 and 1850, the Chickasaw, Choctaw, Muscogee, Creek, Seminole and Cherokee people (including European Americans and African American freedmen and slaves who lived among them) were forcibly removed from their traditional lands in the Southeastern United States, and relocated further west."
https://infogalactic.com/info/Trail_of_Tears

That being said, I actually have a Cherokee Confederate flag around here somewhere :P

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 1:08 PM  

@6 Mathias
Whoops, not the Trail of Tears, I'm thinking of the post civil-war Indian removals. Jackson was pre-civil-war.
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Yes. It's interesting in that I spoke with an elder Cherokee once about them supporting the South during Civil War times. He said that because of things like the Trail of Tears, they felt safer siding with the South.

Blogger James Dixon April 10, 2017 1:10 PM  

Why is it always "But what about me?" Yeah, a rhetorical question, I know.

Vox has always made it clear he's describing what he expects to happen, not what he wants. Whether any individual supports the alt-right is meaningless in the larger scheme of things.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 10, 2017 1:10 PM  

@6 and others:
Whoops, not the Trail of Tears, I'm thinking of the post civil-war Indian removals. Jackson was pre-civil-war.

The Trail of Tears was at President Jackson's command, because the Indian tribes had sided with the British during the War of 1812. Jackson led troops and militia against the Indians during that war. He had a long memory.

Indians in the Oklahoma Territory such as Stand Waitie sided with the Confederacy in the 1860's war in part because of the Trail of Tears. They had a long memory, too. But the nations were not driven off of that land after the war.

People should look around them and see who their neighbors are now and acting calmly, rather than waiting 10 or 20 years then acting in panic.

Great grandfather would have asked, "Who are your people? Where are they?" and maybe suggested "You should be with your own kind".

Blogger tz April 10, 2017 1:14 PM  

@25 That is the key. We are deep in debt, and the Whites can't afford to pay for a black and latino broken family in addition to their functional one.
There has to be something at the other end of the EBT card and Medicaid putting money in and that is getting scary. Even Social Security and Medicare is insolvent.
Note that refugees and immigrants in Europe are burning capital. The accumulated capital is being burned even as we speak - assuming it isn't already burned and instead will just be unpaid debt.

What cannot go on forever won't. After the financial system collapses, the only thing left will be places that produce more than they consume, and I don't mean things like Starbucks or web design. Detroit should expand its victory garden program if it is smart. Flint had toxic water. Selma is a wreck but they don't show that when they march. Parts of the USA are falling apart like Africa when the whites were driven off the land. California's infrastructure is collapsing, yet they are spending on environmentalism and "diversity".

What will happen when it goes Venezuela? No food, not medicine. Many will self-deport. I fear that many will just die in place waiting for the magic socialist fairy to fix things.

That doesn't even count what a large earthquake or other natural disaster or some new deadly epidemic might do.

As to minorities in a community, places can work with a pre-1965 demographic, so a black family that moves in and becomes useful if not indispensable to the community isn't going to be purged in the same way a gold-collar employee that is responsible for a large portion of the company's profits won't be let go. Assimilate as much and as hard as you can so you don't become a nuisance, and give more than you take.

Blogger frigger611 April 10, 2017 1:15 PM  

@33 Nate

Yup. And the self-segregation will likely, for the most part, occur organically. People will flee dangerous areas, settle amongst their own kind in safer areas.

Equilibriums always reemerge, in time, after chaos.

Blogger Michael Neal April 10, 2017 1:18 PM  

@37 "This is usually vastly overstated. The Romans ruled Britain for almost 400 years, and yet left almost no genetic legacy. I've read that it is estimated that fewer than 10,000 Vikings settled in England. Since the neolithic, although England has been conquered many times, the genetics are overwhelmingly the same as that of the Iron Age prehistoric tribes, even among the upper class and nobility."

Not true regarding the nobility, I am descended from an English Baron (nobility) of Norman origins as well as Irish, French and German from other family members. I have almost no native British DNA at all, just the Scandinavian and French from Normandy. The Normans did not widely mix with the natives except from the anglo-saxon and welsh nobility in certain limited cases.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd April 10, 2017 1:23 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:We have already seen a taste of what can happen in this country, although it is not mentioned in the history textbooks. It is called a Rampage and usually happens over entire regions of the county. The last one I recall happened in the southwest back in the 1920s.

Tulsa riots?

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 1:23 PM  

@14 APL April 10, 2017 12:26 PM
"Where could a black person possibly fit in to this?"

There is always Liberia.
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What if?

What if the talented tenth got motivated and ruthless.

What if they dug around and found the Liberia option is still open.

What if they got ruthless with their own people and recruited top 50% of blacks to move to Liberia. What I mean is no Latrinas, no rappers, no sports hoods, but people who actually care about their future. As opposed to their immediate gain.

Is a possibility they could take it, and hold it long enough to become a decent country?

Blogger Nate73 April 10, 2017 1:25 PM  

The main question I think the poster should be asking is the same one I'm asking myself: Where is the best place for me to move to for myself and my family and what do I need to do to get there?

Anonymous MIG April 10, 2017 1:26 PM  

@2 "in this respect, the Amerindians are very well off, they are already cordoned off and segregated in homogeneous communities"

They might have to go back to Siberia. It depends on who the majority will determine to be the original settlers in North America. Solutreans? Do they know what part of Europe they came from? It might be France, but I am not sure.

Anonymous Dave April 10, 2017 1:26 PM  

Yes - looks like Blacks get the historic southern lands of black slavery per the map, the Mexicans will get the south west in the previous Aztec lands (Texas, Southern Cal, Arizona, New Mexico); New England and most of the Thirteen Colonies and everything above their latitude go to Descendants of the former British Empire - English, Scotts, Irish as well as Northern Europeans and Germanic. The Northwest and Alaska becomes native american zones...

Someone should draw a map ...

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey April 10, 2017 1:28 PM  

Excellent points. Another way to phrase it might be that many of those who follow the mainstream narrative tends to confuse "ought" and "is" in a particular way. They engage in the moralistic fallacy (the inverse of the naturalistic fallacy): "According to my moral standards, things OUGHT to be this way, therefore they MUST this way." This tends to lead to the belief, by way of projection, that anyone who notes that objective reality differs from their ideal must WANT things to be that way, and is therefore, not mistaken, but evil. No actual reality-testing is required at any point in this process.

A related point: note that this sort of approach seems to leap completely past obvious questions such as "What immediate, empirically-based, practical, incremental steps can we take to improve the situation, or at least stop the decline?" The progressive mentality seems to be innately hostile to the idea of societal institutions and traditions as entities that grow organically, preferring to view them as the result of conscious, "objective" design by a particular person or group, obviously with the intent of oppressing some kind of designated victim group. This approach naturally leads to framing the problem in terms of useless questions that are, essentially, variants of: "Exactly what sort of utopia should we design from the ground up on the day of the revolution/ Year Zero?" and to ask the same of their opponents. Hubris.

Blogger Koanic April 10, 2017 1:30 PM  

The reason that chimpanzees and bonobos are different species is that a river separates them, and neither can swim.

Preserving a race requires geographic barriers.

All this sentiment will die with you broadcast-TV-infused softheads, and the necessary thing will be done.

The thing that is already done by conservationists of all the other species but human.

Blogger Huggums April 10, 2017 1:34 PM  

"Because neither I, nor Huggums, nor anyone else, possess the intrinsic right to impose ourselves, wanted or not, on literally the entire human race as we happen to see fit at the moment."

Well, this was about the answer I expected. I agree with the concept of freedom of association, but I don't agree that it's morally right to move someone from their own homeland. And I apply this standard to all people which is why, for instance, I support the right of Europeans to decide who they want in their respective countries and from where they can come.

I asked because I can't see supporting a movement that advocates for something that I consider to be unjust. Forcibly moving and/or killing black people is unjust. Same for all other people. I understand that you don't support this, but you believe it'll happen anyway. I now understand your perspective better.

The reason I don't side with many ostensibly "pro-black" causes is because too often that really means "anti-white". Either that or the cause assumes a level of malice in the actions of white people that just isn't there. I'll have to think about whether or not to continue supporting the alt-right. It's not like my leaving will even make a dent, but either way you have played a huge role in my intellectual development. Thanks for that.

Anonymous Mathias April 10, 2017 1:35 PM  

@41,

I am in the habit of correcting my own errors as they happen, you should look for me correcting myself before feeling the impulse to correct me. I realized something was off about what I said after I posted it and fact-checked myself and was found wanting. :)

And I agree with you completely, Old Hickory had a great deal to do with who the Red Indian tribes sided with during the War Between the States. But make no mistake, Custer and his boys were by far the nastier bunch.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey April 10, 2017 1:37 PM  

@Snidely Whiplash

"Since the neolithic, although England has been conquered many times, the genetics are overwhelmingly the same as that of the Iron Age prehistoric tribes, even among the upper class and nobility."

Yep. A related link:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/new-genetic-map-of-britain-shows-successive-waves-of-immigration-going-back-10000-years-10117361.html

Blogger DonReynolds April 10, 2017 1:38 PM  

Enough with the Trail of Tears nonsense.
Andrew Jackson did not make that decision, it was by Act of Congress.
ALL Indians were not removed.
Indians still live in every Southern state.
Those who had assimilated into white society, spoke English, went to church and worked farms and trades....were never removed anywhere nor was it ever intended that they would be.

The only Indians that were relocated were those who wanted to continue to live by Tribal Law, to continue to live the Way, and govern themselves. They did not want to be subject to white man's law, which was unavoidable in the states, so they were moved to territories and given reservations to replace the land they left behind.

No....Oklahoma is not the shittiest land in the least and there are no deserts in Oklahoma. Northeast Oklahoma is Cherokee and Southeast Oklahoma is Choctaw. The dividing line between the two Indian nations is across the river from me, not even a mile away. Eastern Oklahoma is as green as Arkansas.

I have worked with the Choctaw Nation because I was Director of Community Development at Durant, Oklahoma....the capital of the Choctaw Nation.

Anonymous DissidentRight April 10, 2017 1:39 PM  

Yankees and Midwesterners don't want blacks. Southeners don't want the blacks back from the Great Migration. Implication, for blacks not already in the South, seems obvious.

Anonymous Mathias April 10, 2017 1:40 PM  

@58,

Ok, second shittiest land, at least you don't live in Arkansaw.

Anonymous DissidentRight April 10, 2017 1:43 PM  

@55 Forcibly moving and/or killing black people is unjust

Political Correctness & Affirmative Action are unjust. The Civil Rights Movement was unjust. The Great Migration was unjust. Lincoln's War was unjust. Slavery was unjust. The slave trade was unjust. Where do you want to stop rewinding the injustice, and why?

Anonymous W. Lindsay Wheeler April 10, 2017 1:45 PM  

We moved the blacks into this country. They are part of the American landscape and part of America.

The Christian thing and the Western thing, is SEGREGATION. That is how Aryans, Indo-Europeans do things--create caste societies. That is the Indo-European way. It is in our nature. African Americans are to be re-segregated into their own communities. With their own churches, schools. There is no problem if an employer wants to employ whites and blacks together so long as they go home to their separate communities at night.

African culture is far different from Indo-European culture. They need to live in their own ways and means. Just like the American Indians lives on his reservation. The Mexicans in their barrios after we remove all the ones that came after 1965.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 1:45 PM  

@56 Mathias

I am in the habit of correcting my own errors as they happen, you should look for me correcting myself before feeling the impulse to correct me. I realized something was off about what I said after I posted it and fact-checked myself and was found wanting. :)
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I jumped the gun there, but at least tried to add in something interesting along with it :P

Blogger James Dixon April 10, 2017 1:46 PM  

> I asked because I can't see supporting a movement that advocates for something that I consider to be unjust.

And your not supporting it will make exactly what difference?

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 10, 2017 1:46 PM  

@47

The genetic history is a bit more complex, and interesting, than it appears at first blush. Depending on where you go within England the make up can change quiet a bit. Assessing the actual impact of the Romans on the genetic legacy of the English is quiet difficult considering that their legionaries and administrators didn't simply come from Italy but all over the empire; it is doubly difficult as per some research

"Even the Romans from Italy appear to have belonged predominantly to the same R1b-U152 as Hallstatt and La Tène Celts, also accompanied by significant minorities of G2a-U1 and J2b".

http://www.eupedia.com/genetics/britain_ireland_dna.shtml

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 10, 2017 1:47 PM  

@56
And I agree with you completely, Old Hickory had a great deal to do with who the Red Indian tribes sided with during the War Between the States. But make no mistake, Custer and his boys were by far the nastier bunch.

You are still confused. George Armstrong Custer fought only against Confederate forces from 1861 to 1865. He did not lead troops against Indians until after the war was over. Therefore it is impossible for Custer's actions to have led to Indian tribes supporting the Confederacy.

Because the Confederacy ceased to exist before Custer led troops against Indian.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J April 10, 2017 1:48 PM  

@49, this is the dream that was Liberia. Still could happen, but it would take a most patriarchal form of government to enact and enforce. This nation could become a respectable enemy. And who desires an enemy they cannot respect? I know a few black people, Heritage Blacks, if you will, who just want to have their own MC black culture and mix amiably with Whites and live and let live. They are intelligent and contribute to society, are faithful Christians, and recognize that the barriers to entry, while once real, are now just a matter of not having the right stuff in mind and spirit, not skin color. Some might play the race card to get ahead but it catches up in a reality based system of checks and balances (which we don't have, I admit).

@50, I wonder the same. HUD homes render so many blue collar and middle class neighborhoods "diverse" enough to be ill suited to White settlement, but presence is everything. The banks have to become completely private in order to help, though.

@55, you can keep what you can hold.

Blogger Koanic April 10, 2017 1:48 PM  

The Christian thing and the Western thing, is SEGREGATION. That is how Aryans, Indo-Europeans do things--create caste societies.

Go back to India, shit-drinker.

Anonymous MIG April 10, 2017 1:48 PM  

@55 It could be argued that justice is not a universal or universalist concept but one that is based on social contract. Each society organizes itself around its own idea of justice. Is there such a thing as an inter-societal moral obligation? Maybe. Maybe not. That depends on your moral and religious system. If you are I share our ideas of inter-societal moral reciprocity then you can appeal to the idea of justice. But otherwise on what would a member of one society base his moral claim when asking something of a member of a different society.

Anonymous Mathias April 10, 2017 1:51 PM  

@61,

For reference, the thing that makes a land shitty is not just it's farming geography. Arkansas/Oklahoma at the time had no known mineral resources and the growing season there isn't the same quality as the one further south. In addition, the region is entirely landlocked with only the Mississipi river to give the region sea access. The bad kind of landlocked, mind you, where 80% of your border is open plains/low hills. You would be hard pressed to actually assemble an independent nation out of the place without marrying it up with the either the State of Texas or the State of Mississipi. This is what I mean by "shitty land". It's not enough to have good farmland, for a landlocked nation you need the the right geography at the borders, and the reservation lines seem specifically designed to prevent that.

Blogger DonReynolds April 10, 2017 1:51 PM  

@60 Mathias
You are wrong about Indian history and you are wrong about where I live.
I live at Fort Smith, Arkansas.

My Dad's side of the family has lived in West Arkansas since the civil war forced them to leave West Tennessee. They were millers and the Union troops burned mills. My family dug the grist stone out of the ashes and moved it to Arkansas and built another mill.

You need to travel more.

Anonymous DissidentRight April 10, 2017 1:52 PM  

One way to look at the history of blacks in America is through the lens of intra-white competition. Yankees weaponized blacks against Southeners. Southeners (rightly) don't feel much pity for Yankees getting a heavy dose of karma. Upperclass white progressives weaponized blacks against lower class whites.

What makes anyone think that will change, especially if you are advocating mere segregation? Whites who don't live near blacks are only a generation or two away from accepting "think of the black people!" propaganda directed against whites who live in relative proximity to blacks. Been there, done that.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 10, 2017 1:57 PM  

@55

Look Huggums part of how to deal with what will happen is coming up with a game plane. Like Vox says, he thinks this is going to happen, period. So the issue is how do you avoid violence and blood shed, and his answer is encouraging people to voluntarily move. Also note how he says each community will be different and it is up to them to make a decision.

If you live in a good community (preferably not near the D+P=War areas), make nice with your neighbors, build relationships and provide value you then you have better chance of weathering the potential storm than others. I have a feeling if you lived out in rural Idaho or Wyoming the potential risks are much less than say the gated community of Beverley Hills or one of the border boroughs between the wealthy (most likely white) areas of a city and the poor (most likely black or Hispanic).

I have these same considerations to think about as my wife isn't Caucasian and my daughter is mixed; though very close to passable. Fortunately for me, she is of an ethnic group that historically gets along well with caucasians, performs well in her daily life and we live in a state that is about as far removed from where, if what Vox predicts comes true, I expect these conflicts to occur. But even then it isn't a guarantee. I also confess to holding some measure of hope that what many think will happen, won't happen.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 10, 2017 1:59 PM  

Huggums
I asked because I can't see supporting a movement that advocates for something that I consider to be unjust. Forcibly moving and/or killing black people is unjust. Same for all other people. I understand that you don't support this, but you believe it'll happen anyway. I now understand your perspective better.

You need to read more uncensored history to get a feel for what humans are capable of. There have been times in the last 500 years when saying the wrong thing in public, or refusing to say something in public would get a person executed on the spot. Those killing times don't always last long, but they can be very intense.

Vox is being descriptive, not proscriptive. It's like watching a house built on an unstable coastline and saying "That house will fall in the ocean someday". That isn't the same as "That house should fall in the ocean, with everyone inside".

Blogger DonReynolds April 10, 2017 1:59 PM  

@70 Mathias
You know less about geography than you do history.
The Arkansas River originates in Colorado and is a navigable waterway....and always had riverboats.
The Ouachita River, the White River....the Mississippi....these were all highways for travel and commerce. Arkansas even his its own Merchant Marine Academy to train riverboat pilots and crews. We have a lot more rivers in Arkansas than I ever saw in Texas. What they call a river in Texas is usually dry or you can jump across it. We call those creeks.

Blogger Achilles April 10, 2017 2:01 PM  

Voluntary segregation will never work. White flight doesn't exist because blacks prefer living with other blacks. And if we are going to move people at gunpoint why aren't we moving them onto a boat and out of this country? Blacks don't stop being a problem because we herded them all into one giant ghetto. The solution must be more final.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 10, 2017 2:02 PM  

@58 Don Reynolds
The only Indians that were relocated were those who wanted to continue to live by Tribal Law, to continue to live the Way, and govern themselves. They did not want to be subject to white man's law, which was unavoidable in the states, so they were moved to territories and given reservations to replace the land they left behind.

Excellent point. The old social order was overturned, and those who could live in the new social order, obey the new social order's mores and blend in were allowed to stay. Those who refused to submit to the new social order were moved by force to a different land.

"Conform to the new social order, or leave. If you resist, you will die".

That's one form of what Vox is seeing as a possible future.

Blogger tz April 10, 2017 2:08 PM  

@49 - South Africa. they are heavy on affirmative action, but there arent enough qualified black engineers run the power grid and other infrastructure. We can swap them for the white southlanders they don't want and keep killing.

@55 I don't agree that it's morally right to move someone from their own homeland.

It is even less morally right to move the homeland from someone. Just because an illegal dropped a baby here doesn't make this the baby's homeland. I grew up in a G-rated low-crime place, and it turned into an R or X-rated hellhole (just watch network TV). How was that moral? No one asked me, nor cared when I objected. Women used to want to become housewives, now they want to become career cat-lady cougars. We used to have very little regulation and tax and even the Dollar was tied to gold, now we have complex rules, high taxes, huge debt and a broken, manipulated currency. We used to have good pay and benefit blue collar jobs, but first the Japanese, then the Mexicans, then the Chinese and little tigers destroyed that. No one asked. People were saying "no" but were called racist. Even now I don't want immigrants legal or otherwise here taking jobs - like Disney's H1-Bs.

My country was stolen from me. I want back what was mine. My original homeland, the one I grew up in or before it started to sink. Isn't that theft of every thing that made America great immoral?

Forcibly moving and/or killing black people is unjust. Same for all other people.

Look back at forced cross-town busing for integration. That was forcibly moving black and white children. Look at block-busting and white flight. MY FATHER WAS FORCED TO MOVE SO I WOULD NOT BE SUBJECTED TO CRIME AND A BAD EDUCATION. Wasn't that unjust? Are you going to pay me repairations or just virtue signal?

Whites for a generation have been told to move out of the way for latinos and blacks who aren't pulling their own weight, then murdering or enslaving me - I probably work for at least 60 days a year just so some woman can have 4 children by different men. Those are 60 days off my life. As if I were a slave. Are you going to add several years to my lifespan in compensation? Or will I just die having years of my life stolen. It is the equivalent of killing me.

Blogger D. Bay April 10, 2017 2:10 PM  

America's biggest mistake and sin was the Founding Fathers ever allowing slavery in America the first place. If that could have never happened America would have been an infinitely more peaceful and serene place. Canada had almost zero slavery, if only America had been more like Canada in that regard, not that I'd ever want to live there.

Blogger Rodger James April 10, 2017 2:10 PM  

I don't think there will be war on a large scale. I think it will be much more like the fall of Rome. I am not hopeful that whites will band together and fight. I don't see it happening on a large scale in South Africa despite all the atrocities against whites and the fact that many now live in shanty towns. Just take the Knoxville Tennessee horrors as an example of whites passivity . There were no large gatherings of whites.

I once asked Lawerence Auster if he had any examples in history where people have simply rolled over and let themselves be extinguished. He had none.

Following the Drudge Report daily seems more and more like reading the stories Hippolytus Taine describes in his series on the French Revolution. Chaos is coming, and I certainly hope the white man can regain his courage.

I just came across and telling story from a Confederate Civil War nurse's diary which was turned into a book shortly after the war.

Kate Cumming written May 9th 1862. Paraphrasing she said "forcing us to remain in the union was like forcing people in a bad marriage to remain married, and we all know how that works."

Blogger tz April 10, 2017 2:16 PM  

@79 - Slavery came as an expansion from the West Indies, the sugar plantations and the like to Virginia and the Carolinas.

Yea, import a bunch of 3rd world people for cheap labor - what could go wrong? Only 4% owned slaves. Yet like abortion or gay marriage today, when you engage in evil, you must impose it and call it righteous since you can't tolerate people saying it is wrong.

Wilberforce won, but it compensated the slave-owners. The abolitionists just wanted them freed, without 5th amendment taking compensation.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 10, 2017 2:20 PM  

OT
Custer was offered $1,000,000 in gold by the Mexican resistance government of Benito Juarez to come and command troops against the French invaders. He declined, but what if?

An alternate history story would put Custer commanding Mexican cavalry with a sub unit of gringos; no questions asked regarding where said American got his combat experience. Adventure seeking Yankees riding with displaced Confederates as a separate unit allied with Mexican horsemen. All together for a while, against the invading French, whose supplies get thinner as the ironclad Union navy blockade tightens.

Custer vs. French. Union cavalry plus Mosby's raiders vs. French Foreign Legion. Heh!

Blogger praetorian April 10, 2017 2:20 PM  

If black people do carve a homeland for themselves in the Deep South, what's going to keep it from becoming Detroit: the Country?

Same goddamn thing that worked for the English: (re)adopt Christianity, hang their criminals and encourage the talented tenth to have ten children per generation, then wait a few hundred years.

Tossing out degenerate jewish media would help.

Anonymous Grayman April 10, 2017 2:23 PM  

praetorian wrote:The historic home for blacks in America is the Black Belt:


They should move there and rebuild the christian culture they had when things were getting better rather than worse, hang their criminals and make damned sure that the talented tenth have ten children per generation.


I don’t see that being a stable solution, you would need to functionally institute apartied type rule. The blacks would never stay in their “belt”, they would move out ward as their own region fell into disarray. Look at Rhodesia & South Africa.

Blogger Idunna-Practicallyperfect April 10, 2017 2:25 PM  

A sincere question for anyone here. Considering the topic of this post what advice would you give a young woman of northern European descent who is at the beginning stages of a relationship with a Chinese national. Both are well suited for each other intellectually and temperamentally. She is "woke" to reality, however is reluctant to forgo this relationship as she has had no other offers from those of her own kind.
Please keep the snark to a minimum. This young woman is not a feminist, fat, unattractive or ridden the cock carousel. It just seems timing is not on her side and she will not forgo having marriage and a family.

Blogger praetorian April 10, 2017 2:26 PM  

Per praetorian's map above, they'd be most likely to hold the SEC states. The wages of slavery, 200 years later.

It wouldn't surprised me if the southern whites and blacks end up working something out that surprised me.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 10, 2017 2:27 PM  

If black people do carve a homeland for themselves in the Deep South, what's going to keep it from becoming Detroit: the Country?

It's not a reliable option. Black Americans are pretty much farked when it comes to setting up their own country. Those counties in the Deep South where they're a majority are very sparsely populated. The most they'd be able to do is consolidate the various halves of major cities that they solidly control into city-states if they're not cleansed wholesale.

South Atlanta + suburbs and East D.C. + suburbs are probably the most viable at this point, and one or the other might end up being the black American capital. Elsewhere, they're heavily mixed with Hispanics and whites, or are in demographic collapse (south Chicago, Detroit).

Go look at the U.S. Racial Dot Map to make things clearer. (Tom Chittum should look at it too if he ever wants to greatly improve Civil War II.)

Blogger praetorian April 10, 2017 2:28 PM  

Considering the topic of this post what advice would you give a young woman of northern European descent who is at the beginning stages of a relationship with a Chinese national.

Her sons are going to have a very tough time.

Her daughters will be fine.

Her daughters sons will have a somewhat tough time.

And so on.

Anonymous Grayman April 10, 2017 2:34 PM  

JACIII wrote:dreadilkzee wrote:It will displace some people from Alabama and Louisiana but ultimately it would be better for the black and white people if the Blacks ALL moved there and started governing themselves and say "We will leave you guys alone, you leave us alone. We can trade but we have to have our own place to succeed or fail".

You misunderstand the situation blacks are in. They don't want to live in black town in a black world; they want to live in a black town in a white world. Many instinctively know this.

Best they can hope for is something like the Palestinians have with Israel. You live there and you can work here.


Nope, they want to live in a black “neighborhood” in a white town, so whitey takes care of running the joint for him. Blacks don’t like it when too many other blacks move in and cause white flight.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 2:34 PM  

@82 A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents
Custer vs. French. Union cavalry plus Mosby's raiders vs. French Foreign Legion. Heh!
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That would be an interesting alternate history novel. That's the kind of thing I was envisioning with my "what if?" post above, an interesting novel.

Blogger bearspaw April 10, 2017 2:36 PM  

"Some communities would prefer to remain homogeonous."
Mexicans are demonstrating this as we speak in SoCal towns that formerly had a black majority.

Anonymous Roundtine April 10, 2017 2:37 PM  

Look up the Hoteps. They don't have a major problem with the alt-right.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 10, 2017 2:37 PM  

Considering the topic of this post what advice would you give a young woman of northern European descent who is at the beginning stages of a relationship with a Chinese national.

Her sons are going to have a very tough time.

Her daughters will be fine.

Her daughters sons will have a somewhat tough time.

And so on.


From what I understand, that's more of a problem if the father is white and the mother East Asian than the other way around. Reason being, white men who marry East Asians tend toward Gamma/Omega, whereas East Asian men who manage to marry white women are more Alpha.

Men who have the most problems with women tend to have had Gamma/Omega fathers who didn't give a shit about them.

Blogger mgh April 10, 2017 2:38 PM  

Some of you think blacks will carve out a homeland in the deep south. What makes you think the majority whites are going to peacefully leave to go to yankee land, snow and ice land, or the land of fruits and nuts? Blacks best option is a segregated compromise.

Anonymous Mathias April 10, 2017 2:42 PM  

@75

How many of those rivers make a military barrier of the same class as the Mississippi (And are not a part of it's tributary system, which I consider to be a complete whole)? We are talking about military defense, not trade routes. How many carrier groups can you fit in those rivers? You could fit several in the Mississippi. Additionally, the Colorado flows thru Texas, as Texas is south/west of where you are. I have lived in the region my entire life and traveled it well, I have seen it myself. I am aware of the Merchant Marine you speak of, and I am also aware that a river needs to be a certain size year-round across it's entire length to be adequate for a border, and that size is wide enough so that most people will not willingly swim across it under their own power, and deep enough to transnavigate naval warships all across it's length. The most developed part of the USA canal system is towards the NorthEast/New England, out in the midwest most East Coast<->West Coast shipping is done by rail. If a man can swim across it, an army can invade from across it, and people will freely migrate over it. The Rio Grand, for instance, obviously fails in this measure in certain parts of it's length, which is why we need a wall there. The Ouchita is large yes, but it has narrows and shallows along its length like the Grande, as do the other rivers you mention. The further north you go, the less navigable they become, with the largest/deepest part being the part which feeds the Mississippi itself. Additionally, if you used the Arkansas/Ouachita as barriers, you would lose about 20% of the land territory of both states. (Not that the states were drawn to be defensible to begin with). There was a very good the Western Expansion halted for 100 years at that river. Also a good reason the Union army didn't use the very rivers you mentioned in the Riverboat Campaign, going that far north isn't very useful when you can control the whole network via the outlet into the gulf, and the inland part of the network isn't large/developed enough to host shipyards capable of building full-size navy class ships. As a child I was taken on several boating expeditions/camping trips to these rivers as a part of a western Civil War tour. Not to mention the Grand Canyon and my journey up to the Carolina's, but that was another set of trips. Trust me, I learned if you control New Orleans and the Port of Houston, you pretty much have the midwest by the balls for these reasons. Also, Texas has more rivers than you do, they are just not as large, since the Colorado/Nevada desert people suck it all up before it reaches us, it used to be that our rivers were much larger and more plentiful. The Colorado is actually not there a good portion of the time nowadays.

Anonymous Grayman April 10, 2017 2:43 PM  

Nate wrote:it is retarded to talk about blacks leaving america. it isn't going to happen. Blacks have been on this continent longer than the US has existed.

what's far more likely is a system of voluntary self segregation will emerge where populations will normalize with historically normal amounts of diversity... ie... very low.


Nate,

If we have any serious degree of social cohesion breakdown it is very easy for a group such as the blacks to be completely displaced or removed. How long they have been here is irrelevant. Mao killed 40 million people in 4 years….. The current black population in the US is about 45 million. No one on this blog would have a say in such a matter, but it would be foolish to assume its not possible. I don’t think it is likely but I certainly see how it could occur. Image it really hits the fan and you end up with a 3 way race war, Black Vs White Vs Mexican/Hispanic. In such a situation the blacks would likely be at the bottom of the totem pole and the outcome could be very poor for them. I’m sure the Armenians didn’t think the Turks would cleanse them from their historical areas.

Blogger tz April 10, 2017 2:44 PM  

Till the Stock of the Puritans Die or is displaced. The line is from Harvard's ex-alma-mater song.

Blogger praetorian April 10, 2017 2:44 PM  

From what I understand, that's more of a problem if the father is white and the mother East Asian than the other way around.

Perhaps. But men need a wolf pack, and a hapa male doesn't have one until the Great War of Hapa Liberation carves an ethnostate out of The Cascadian Confederacy in 2150.

The women are beautiful and will have no problem securing a mate.

Anonymous roo_ster April 10, 2017 2:44 PM  

I should stop being befuddled that folk mistake descriptive vs proscriptive writings and musings. It is as if they have not the ability to look at a topic objectively. Which may be the case.

As for Huggums, he will have to do as I am doing (given that I am or near am a minority in my area): prepare me & mine to survive the coming mess. That means fewer resources aimed at consumption and more aimed at skill development. Especially WRT to kiddos. When things go tango uniform be ready to react and move and have a store of essentials that you can take with you to get to a place of safety.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 2:46 PM  

@94 mgh
Some of you think blacks will carve out a homeland in the deep south. What makes you think the majority whites are going to peacefully leave to go to yankee land, snow and ice land, or the land of fruits and nuts? Blacks best option is a segregated compromise.
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Best option would be make Liberia work. That would remove the P from D+P=War.

Anonymous Mathias April 10, 2017 2:48 PM  

My apologies for the wall of text, I didn't realize I was rambling without paragraph breaks.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 10, 2017 2:48 PM  

Huggums, I think you're confusing want with predict, just as Vox said. I don't want forcible relocation. What I - and Vox if I understand him - want, is for people to voluntarily make decisions to defuse the situation before it comes to force. The more voluntary acceptance of reality, the less forcible introduction to it will be needed.

Blogger tz April 10, 2017 2:51 PM  

@85 - Is she willing to move to China (you said "national", so I assume her suitor's citizenship is there) and raise her children there?

You have to fish in a lake or river, not a desert. I will start with the best possible construction, but the first question is if she is a traditional Christian, since there are conservative churches around. Most aren't in the heavily urban areas. If she would be willing to move to China, she should be willing to move where there are eligible bachelors.

Anonymous Cyclone Bob April 10, 2017 2:51 PM  

Where could a black person possibly fit in to this?


The Democratic Republic of Basketball.

Anonymous Mathais April 10, 2017 2:53 PM  

@102

Yea, but the big problem it that it not only requires excess money, but enough foresight and high time preference(or is that low? I always get them mixed up) to get everyone in their own area's without an activist government bollocking up it in the process.

Anonymous Grayman April 10, 2017 2:54 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:@14 APL April 10, 2017 12:26 PM

"Where could a black person possibly fit in to this?"

There is always Liberia.

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What if?

What if the talented tenth got motivated and ruthless.

What if they dug around and found the Liberia option is still open.

What if they got ruthless with their own people and recruited top 50% of blacks to move to Liberia. What I mean is no Latrinas, no rappers, no sports hoods, but people who actually care about their future. As opposed to their immediate gain.

Is a possibility they could take it, and hold it long enough to become a decent country?


History would seem to suggest otherwise, but hey anything is possible. There are individual tribes in Africa where the entire tribe has European level IQ. You don’t see those tribes taking over, and I’d image that you are seeing the impact of net average IQ. A handful of relative geniuses aren’t going to run a nation full of relative idiots. The gulf between the two groups is too far and they will not cooperate.

Blogger James Dixon April 10, 2017 2:55 PM  

> White flight doesn't exist because blacks prefer living with other blacks.

No, it exists because it was made illegal to keep blacks out of their neighborhoods.

Anonymous Joe Katzman April 10, 2017 3:03 PM  

One of the unexpected things I found when I poked into the Alt-Right was general agreement that blacks in America were their own nation. Which does make sense. They are African in the same sense that American whites are 'European' - their own unique admixture that no longer really has a home or counterpart on the other continent. American blacks are genetically and cognitively different (about +15 IQ points) from any African population you could point at. Also very culturally different.

So, Huggums, the only questions left are how you're going to wake that nation to itself in a positive way, and where you want your nation to be.

In which case, welcome to the Alt-Right. 2 caveats:

1. You're going to have to roll your own alt-right nationalism, which is neither of the West nor of Africa. In fact, if you look through what we know of organizational change + manosphere insights, that nation will likely have Malcolm X playing the role of Theodore Herzl (the father of Zionism), with Hotep admixtures on top. Embrace the exciting opportunity.

2. Vox is also right. Empire breakups are messy. People of all ethnicities and colors can be expected to die, and many will either choose to move or be pushed: "get in your car or get in a hole." History is messy. C'est la vie, if you can survive it.

RE: where you want your nation to be, it could be via separation in place (also a Dark Enlightenment concept) and very strong economic localism (I don't expect a lot of Asian-owned shops in future black areas). Nations eventually look for something more expansive and coherent, though... personally, I would be very open to "Oakland as the capitol, SF and Silicon Valley down to San Jose thrown in for sea access, and extending well into the central valley beyond Pleasanton and into Napa." That's nicely over $2 Trillion in value, which ought to cover the "we're sorry" for slavery. And I'm sure the local liberals will be glad to help.

Hey, imagine having a government infrastructure built and maintained by Google and Facebook, as part of their annual reparations fees...

Anonymous Grayman April 10, 2017 3:09 PM  

Huggums

“But what about me?”, “but what about blacks”, etc. are fundamentally emotional responses. Emotional responses often get you dead in chaos in conflict. It all boils down to causality and historical periodicity. History and empires runs through cycles, as those cycles peak chaos WILL ensue and is a prerequisite for the change in direction of history and empire. We don’t get to change or choose this, hence “what about me” is irrelevant.

To Once again borrow from DC, you as well as each of us are but an ant floating on a leaf in the river of history. We may not like the bend in the river we see ahead or the rapids in that bend but we largely have no say in the matter. What each of us can do is observe what is coming and position ourselves to pass the rapids as safely as possible.

Anonymous Cyclone Bob April 10, 2017 3:13 PM  

what's far more likely is a system of voluntary self segregation will emerge

Niggers are lazy, and will never self-anything on their own. Unless the states that hosted them "before the USA ever existed" - ie Dixie - passes the Great Dixie Darkie Welfare Act, nothing but death will motivate them to self-migrate, or even stay out of self-whited areas.

Anonymous Grayman April 10, 2017 3:19 PM  

W. Lindsay Wheeler wrote:We moved the blacks into this country. They are part of the American landscape and part of America.

The Christian thing and the Western thing, is SEGREGATION. That is how Aryans, Indo-Europeans do things--create caste societies. That is the Indo-European way. It is in our nature. African Americans are to be re-segregated into their own communities. With their own churches, schools. There is no problem if an employer wants to employ whites and blacks together so long as they go home to their separate communities at night.

African culture is far different from Indo-European culture. They need to live in their own ways and means. Just like the American Indians lives on his reservation. The Mexicans in their barrios after we remove all the ones that came after 1965.




You are making a base assumption of “blank slate” whether you realize it or not. If we recognize that blacks and whites perform to 2 different levels then we also have to acknowledge that the blacks on average will always be outcompeted, hence “ There is no problem if an employer wants to employ whites and blacks together so long as they go home to their separate communities at night “while such a statement may sound workable it is unlikely to be stable in society. Resentment and social discord is the end result of have 2 groups with disparate levels of performance directly competing against one another within the same society.

There are about 3 million recognized native americans in the US. Their number is small enough that you can run a reservation without destabilizing the surrounding society. AT the current population of 40 million blacks in the US, that population cannot be simply re-segregated or placed on a “reservation” within a dominant culture without causing destabilization.

Anonymous Roundtine April 10, 2017 3:22 PM  

Considering the topic of this post what advice would you give a young woman of northern European descent who is at the beginning stages of a relationship with a Chinese national.

Assuming one person is already overseas, distance from family may not be an issue, but it can become an issue when children are born or there is an illness.
You say "national", if he is the breadwinner and wants/needs to move to China?
You might think you have no cultural conflict, but it will erupt when children are born
If one partner is dominant or you're committed to raising the children one way, probably not as big a deal
but you don't even know what conflicts are possible until you've lived it
A lot of things you can tolerate and even appreciate or admire as a foreigner, you will not like being taught to your children.
In laws. Potentially much worse, unlikely to be better than having in-laws from your culture.
It's impossible to assimilate in China, you will forever be an outsider and foreigner.

None of this is a deal-breaker in my opinion, but if you have other problems in the relationship it can quickly pile up.

Blogger DonReynolds April 10, 2017 3:25 PM  

@95 Mathias
The westward expansion of the US was not halted for a century by the Mississippi River. Read more history. Maybe even Alexis de Tocqueville (Democracy in America, 1838). One of his chapters covers his visit to Arkansas.

Arkansas was one of the early states and part of the Louisiana Purchase. There was an unusual event when the French garrison at Little Rock lowered the French tricolor....which was replaced by the US flag by US troops at the same time. Arkansas, Louisiana and Missouri were the western limit of the US for a good while, until Texas was added as a state.

If you are looking for a Rhine River in the USA, there isn't one. Even the Rhine River was not even a barrier to Julius Caesar when he was in pursuit of the German tribes. His Commentaries include that great story....nor was the Rhine a defensive barrier in 1945.

Unless you are an usually good swimmer, you will not swim across the Arkansas River anywhere in Arkansas. Is it a barrier? You bet. It is wide and deep, much more so than the Colorado in Texas. I can swim the Colorado, but the last time I used a kayak. But how all these rivers appear today is nothing like how they were in the past. The Corps of Engineers have tamed many of the wild rivers in this country. The Tennessee River was once whitewater. All of the rivers in Arkansas seriously flooded at times, even the downtown areas of Little Rock and Fort Smith occasionally flood. No, flood control does not always work.

What makes rivers (and mountains) defensible are the people and machines on the other side. (Smile)

Anonymous Grayman April 10, 2017 3:32 PM  

Rodger James wrote:I don't think there will be war on a large scale. I think it will be much more like the fall of Rome. I am not hopeful that whites will band together and fight. I don't see it happening on a large scale in South Africa despite all the atrocities against whites and the fact that many now live in shanty towns. Just take the Knoxville Tennessee horrors as an example of whites passivity . There were no large gatherings of whites.


No group of whites will be able to band together in any effective manner until the national governments falter and are to busy worrying about their own survival. The existing western governments are functionally supporting the invasion of the west and immediately put down any significant white resistance.
The desire for resistance is there but most also realize it is a fool’s errand while the government still has a strong grip on society. The moment that respect of the threat of force by the federal government is lost things change very quickly. An implosion of the debt markets could easily trigger such an event if suddenly the checks from the Feds to their various “enforcers” is worthless.

Blogger allyn71 April 10, 2017 3:39 PM  

easily trigger such an event if suddenly the checks from the Feds to their various “enforcers” is worthless

I work with and know many of these "enforcers" a lot of them are just trying to get by like everyone else. The minute the money dries up and they have nothing left to lose their loyalty will go back to the tribe and they will not be on the globalist side.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable April 10, 2017 3:40 PM  

You might think you have no cultural conflict, but it will erupt when children are born

Yeah, count on it. Married a daughter of immigrants born here, but how they identify when the chips are down is everything. You can find yourself with issues you never imagined possible.

Anonymous BBGKB April 10, 2017 3:47 PM  

VD in your ideal world what would become of gay travel murses?

VD, in your ideal world, what would become of American black people in the coming years?

Boy did he come to the wrong place to find Utopias, here we are hoping to survive the nigapocolypse with cannibal tranny biker rape gangs.

No one knows who will make the cut, who will be in the wrong place at the wrong time, etc

When talking about DieVerse areas there is never a right time to be in the wrong place.

How about the Balkans? They happen to be 'unmixing' in this generation, but they didn't unmix for a long long time

(((OY VEY))) the Balkans are a bunch of valleys controlled by clans there was never much mixing. The main reason no one was driven out was the same as why none of the minion states of the Aztecs fought them instead of giving up human sacrifices, they couldn't trust their neighbors wouldn't invade while they were out invading.

Many will self-deport. I fear that many will just die in place waiting for the magic socialist fairy to fix things

While the golden horde is a survivalist boogieman, I doubt any significant number of black/brown will leave DieVerse Cities before consuming bad food/water. As seen in Atlanta a single crack pipe can burn down an interstate bridge

It could be argued that justice is not a universal or universalist concept but one that is based on social contract

30yo guy screwing a 10yo girl is fine for Mexico if he wifes her up.

This young woman is not a feminist, fat, unattractive or ridden the cock carousel. It just seems timing is not on her side and she will not forgo having marriage and a family.

Kratman has talked about white-Asian couples only being able to have one kid before not being able to have any more in an exaggerated RH factor situation but I have not come across or bothered to look it up.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 10, 2017 3:48 PM  

Huggums wrote:I asked because I can't see supporting a movement that advocates for something that I consider to be unjust. Forcibly moving and/or killing black people is unjust.
You mistake description for advocacy.

Anonymous W. Lindsay Wheeler April 10, 2017 3:49 PM  

Grayman writes in response to my first comment: “ There is no problem if an employer wants to employ whites and blacks together so long as they go home to their separate communities at night “while such a statement may sound workable it is unlikely to be stable in society. Resentment and social discord is the end result of have 2 groups with disparate levels of performance directly competing against one another within the same society.

There are about 3 million recognized native americans in the US. Their number is small enough that you can run a reservation without destabilizing the surrounding society. AT the current population of 40 million blacks in the US, that population cannot be simply re-segregated or placed on a “reservation” within a dominant culture without causing destabilization.


Well, Pre-Civil War society existed quite well for a long time at the Plantations where there was a huge amount of slaves compared to white owners. There were a ton of small farmers that only had one or two slaves. That worked well.

The only place where blacks out-compete whites is in the Sports arena, and there one sets up Negro leagues of the various sports. Whites play in their own leagues. Otherwise, blacks can't compete for whites. Negroes have a place in our society, fulfilling certain niche rolls like on our passenger trains, garbage pick-up, running Metro-PCS stores. I would like to see them replace the Pakis and the Hindus running our motels and convenience stores.

Negroes have a place in American Society.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 10, 2017 3:53 PM  

You mistake description for advocacy.

That happens so often that I'm starting to think many people truly can't see the difference, or at least they don't without making a strong effort at it. "I think this will happen" really does strike their ears as "I want this to happen."

Blogger Gaiseric April 10, 2017 3:58 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:What if?

What if the talented tenth got motivated and ruthless.

What if they dug around and found the Liberia option is still open.

What if they got ruthless with their own people and recruited top 50% of blacks to move to Liberia. What I mean is no Latrinas, no rappers, no sports hoods, but people who actually care about their future. As opposed to their immediate gain.

Is a possibility they could take it, and hold it long enough to become a decent country?

And leave the least talented here? No thanks! The talented tenth, if they're that ruthless, should send their under-performing bruthas to Liberia themselves so that it's MUCH less likely that they themselves will be found unwelcome when the SHTF.

Anonymous Bukulu April 10, 2017 4:02 PM  

"For reference, the thing that makes a land shitty is not just it's farming geography. "

Indeed, but the overall geography does have a lot to say. That's why Liberia is such a horrible option for anyone, and why the Brits who came to East Africa tended to settle in the areas around Nairobi and Kampala, not the malarial lowlands.

Blogger Huggums April 10, 2017 4:06 PM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Huggums

I asked because I can't see supporting a movement that advocates for something that I consider to be unjust. Forcibly moving and/or killing black people is unjust. Same for all other people. I understand that you don't support this, but you believe it'll happen anyway. I now understand your perspective better.

You need to read more uncensored history to get a feel for what humans are capable of. There have been times in the last 500 years when saying the wrong thing in public, or refusing to say something in public would get a person executed on the spot. Those killing times don't always last long, but they can be very intense.

Vox is being descriptive, not proscriptive. It's like watching a house built on an unstable coastline and saying "That house will fall in the ocean someday". That isn't the same as "That house should fall in the ocean, with everyone inside".



I know the difference between descriptive and prescriptive, and I'm aware that VD is being descriptive. Also I'm a black American. I know what humans are capable of. Even now, there are people in this thread describing a "final solution" for black people. I'm not in denial about the fact that this may take place, but if this "final solution" involves killing all black people or forcing us to move somewhere, I will not support that and I don't see how I could be on the same side as people who do. For the record, I think break-up and segregation is the most likely outcome. I'm also not about to throw out every idea I do agree with. I don't think there was a single objection I had to VD's 16 points. This includes the point about securing the existence of white people.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 10, 2017 4:06 PM  

@116:

Not White-Asian, Steve; Han female-Caucasian male.

I first read it in Niall Ferguson's War of the World, then checked elsewhere to see if it was true. It was true, though the medicos may have a fix for it now.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 10, 2017 4:07 PM  

Idunna-Practicallyperfect wrote:A sincere question for anyone here. Considering the topic of this post what advice would you give a young woman of northern European descent who is at the beginning stages of a relationship with a Chinese national. Both are well suited for each other intellectually and temperamentally. She is "woke" to reality, however is reluctant to forgo this relationship as she has had no other offers from those of her own kind.
Bullshit. She's either shutting them down with signalling she's not even conscious of, or she's rejecting them out of hand. NO attractive woman lacks for attention.
I'm reminded of a cartoon I saw once; two women seated at a table, drinking. One says "I don't know why I can't meet any men." A man approaches the table and she says, without missing a beat "Buzz of creep, I'm packing." Her friend replies "Yeah, me either"

Blogger Gaiseric April 10, 2017 4:07 PM  

Bukulu wrote:Indeed, but the overall geography does have a lot to say. That's why Liberia is such a horrible option for anyone, and why the Brits who came to East Africa tended to settle in the areas around Nairobi and Kampala, not the malarial lowlands.
In the end, that may yet be seen as one of the worst evils of colonialism, even if done for the "right" reasons. The population of Africa was estimated to be at about 120 million in 1900. Colonialism brought with it, among other things, much better medicine, sanitation, farming, and imposed Pax White-Peoplea. Today, the population of Africa is what; a billion? Trendlines suggest that by 2050, it will be almost 2 and a half billion.

And because the peaceful and prosperous society that allowed them to grow to such a crazy-high rate was an artificial house of cards, it's quite likely that hundreds of millions of them will die badly before all is said and done.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 10, 2017 4:08 PM  

Futurology being the theme today. Whites are on the wane, trend is towards self annihilation and not existing in recognizable fashion, shit happens especially if you allow it.

And none of these fancy plans or guesses amounts to crap till whites regain free speech.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr April 10, 2017 4:08 PM  

Either way, Oscar Munoz (CEO of United Airlines) Must Go Back. :-)

Anonymous Rfvujm April 10, 2017 4:08 PM  

Don't do it. The children will have no genetic identity. They will belong nowhere. It doesn't matter how much the parents love each other if they can only produce mongrels.

Anonymous Mathias April 10, 2017 4:11 PM  

@112

You are right, I forgot to mention the Comanche on the other side that did the actual action of delaying the westward expansion, but the Mississipi in combination with them was a 100 year impediment according to my high school history textbook.

As far as the rivers look today, I was also aware of further development along them, but even 25 years ago their state was very different than what you describe, most commercial development has favored railroad development over canaling, as railroads have that nice west coast reach that the rivers for the most part do not. Honestly, I was expecting you to have the same problem with your rivers that we have with ours, namely they originate in other (desert) states who are over utilizing them, causing downstream contractions. I'm guessing the near proximity of the Mississipi which is far more generous with its input helps mitigate this?

Blogger Tom Kratman April 10, 2017 4:12 PM  

"That happens so often that I'm starting to think many people truly can't see the difference, or at least they don't without making a strong effort at it."

Lefties, at least, usually can't see the difference, nor that it is even possible to write about something unpleasant without desperately wanting that unpleasantness to come to pass. I theorize this this is because they're solipsistic and sociopathic shits, who simply cannot be bothered, themselves, with anything but their own fantasies, and assume everyone else is just as bad as they are.

Anonymous Grayman April 10, 2017 4:13 PM  

@118

Well, Pre-Civil War society existed quite well for a long time at the Plantations where there was a huge amount of slaves compared to white owners. There were a ton of small farmers that only had one or two slaves. That worked well.

Applied to modern day what you are talking about is functionally a hardcore form of apartheid in which the blacks are required to “earn their keep” with no welfare available. I don’t think any of the parties today would accept that arrangement. There is no need for large amounts of physical labor and as such the blacks industrial value no longer exists hence why they are the major use of welfare they are today.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 10, 2017 4:14 PM  

Perhaps. But men need a wolf pack, and a hapa male doesn't have one until the Great War of Hapa Liberation carves an ethnostate out of The Cascadian Confederacy in 2150.

@98 praetorian
Hawaii maybe. I don't think they'll be thick enough on the ground in Cascadia, especially by 2050. The East Asian population is aging quickly and won't be sending nearly as many young women to North America going forward. In fact, I think hapa generation has already pretty much peaked.

Anonymous JI April 10, 2017 4:17 PM  

I think Vox is incorrect that Huggums was suggesting "X" is either impossible or wrong because it could happen to him. After all, he agreed with Vox's belief that diversity + proximity = war. Huggums might simply be asking where he could possibly fit in when helter skelter hits. And I think that's a reasonable thing to consider for each of us, without even implying that our own personal fates matter to the tides of history.

Anonymous BBGKB April 10, 2017 4:18 PM  

about 45 million. No one on this blog would have a say in such a matter, but it would be foolish to assume its not possible

On this blog we accept that a crack pipe and burn down an interstate bridge (as seen in Atlanta), a rifle can take out a step up/down transformer. If those combined a DieVerse city would have the Free Stuff Army out looting.

Even now, there are people in this thread describing a "final solution" for black people.

It doesn't even need any human involvement. If a solar storm the strength of the Carrington Event stuck tomorrow, 2 years from now ~80% of the US would have died off, and any nation that depends on the US for aid would be in bad shape. It would return much of the world to 1800's tech level, as it was able to set telegraphs on fire. In that 80% die off even those who have artesian wells, septic systems, fruit/nut trees under swales and off gird power capacity will be hard pressed to survive. Can you imagine how hard it would be to get a faggot to leave an area pizza can be delivered to & move to a place like that, without seeing the results of the EBT foodstamp card going down for 8 hours on 10-12-2013?

Anonymous JI April 10, 2017 4:20 PM  

"Because neither I, nor Huggums, nor anyone else, possess the intrinsic right to impose ourselves, wanted or not, on literally the entire human race as we happen to see fit at the moment."

If invasion is the same thing as imposition, then intrinsic rights don't really matter all that much.

Anonymous Bukulu April 10, 2017 4:25 PM  

Were-Puppy @ 49,

"Is a possibility [the talented-tenth] could take [Liberia]. and hold it long enough to become a decent country?"

They could certainly hold it, given enough ruthlessness on their part. (See: Talented Tenth, and British Empire.)

But turn it into a decent country? Well, how many centuries are you willing to grant them?




"For reference, the thing that makes a land shitty is not just it's farming geography. "

Indeed, but the overall geography does have a lot to say. That's why Liberia is such a horrible option for anyone, and why the Brits who came to East Africa tended to settle in the areas around Nairobi and Kampala, not the malarial lowlands.


85:

Well, let's be honest: how old are you, and what's your N-count?

Mathias @ 95: the Texas river is a completely different Colorado. The one the mountain states and California are arguing over empties into the Gulf of Mexico, is nearly twice as long as the Texas one, drains nearly 10x the area, and despite the predations of said mountain states plus the Soviet of California, discharges about 10x as much.

Blogger Matamoros April 10, 2017 4:29 PM  

Blacks have been at war with Whites since the 1960s. What do they think is going to happen when Whites have had enough and set out to cleanse our cities?

Blogger Martin April 10, 2017 4:30 PM  

Free association and tolerance for those that wish diversity in THEIR communities is always the place I arrive at as well. Libertarianism had wisdoms to teach, imho. I differ in that im not attracted to civilization. It is inherently corrupting.

However, what I know about human nature, any community will end up sitting around the campfire discussing the demise of their neighbours.

Blogger Loyd Jenkins April 10, 2017 4:30 PM  

I think your analysis is spot on. Ideal with "what about me" even in my own family, specific about Obamacare. Too many people don't realize that the world moves without concern about us specifically.
As for blacks, or any race, those who follow truth, Christianity, and Western Civilization will fit in, and be welcome.

Blogger James Dixon April 10, 2017 4:31 PM  

> For the record, I think break-up and segregation is the most likely outcome.

If it's allowed to happen, yes. That's what people naturally want, after all.

Anonymous Grayman April 10, 2017 4:33 PM  

@122 Huggums:

I know the difference between descriptive and prescriptive, and I'm aware that VD is being descriptive. Also I'm a black American. I know what humans are capable of. Even now, there are people in this thread describing a "final solution" for black people. I'm not in denial about the fact that this may take place, but if this "final solution" involves killing all black people or forcing us to move somewhere, I will not support that and I don't see how I could be on the same side as people who do. For the record, I think break-up and segregation is the most likely outcome. I'm also not about to throw out every idea I do agree with. I don't think there was a single objection I had to VD's 16 points. This includes the point about securing the existence of white people

Multiple parties from democratic mouth pieces to La Raza and other groups have actively called for white genocide in the US. Everyone is at everyone else’s throats as the great herds of humanity begin to smell smoke and grow restless. You aren’t being singled out, you aren’t special, neither am I. The current situation relative to historical events suggests a certain set of potential outcomes. Extreme ethnic conflict is high on that list. To ignore that is foolish. Logic would dictate that we do the best we can to understand the dynamics of what is coming and then respond as best we can to come out on the other side.

Blogger Idunna-Practicallyperfect April 10, 2017 4:43 PM  

Bullshit. She's either shutting them down with signalling she's not even conscious of, or she's rejecting them out of hand. NO attractive woman lacks for attention.

Actually she has gone out on dates and it seems many young white men are not interested in settling down.

Thank you for all the answers to my question. I have gained at least two more points to make with her.

Anonymous Grayman April 10, 2017 4:44 PM  

Any questions where this goes, how this ends???

Professor: ‘Trump Must Hang,’ Republicans Should Be Executed For Each Immigrant Deported

http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/07/professor-trump-must-hang-republicans-should-be-executed-for-each-immigrant-deported/#


People are getting awfully loose and fast with calls for violence. It wont take much to move that into meatspace.

Anonymous Grayman April 10, 2017 4:51 PM  

Idunna-Practicallyperfect wrote:….

Actually she has gone out on dates and it seems many young white men are not interested in settling down.

…...


I know a number of younger guys in their mid to late 20’s who would be excellent husbands/fathers but are very wary of settling down because they see that society and women consider them a disposable paycheck as soon as the relationship becomes inconvenient. They have expressed that they would like to settle down and have a family but don’t know how to find a woman they can trust their future to. Without a common moral ground work how do the 2 parties trust one another? Not an issue easily solved when religion has been largely converged. You could argue it’s the end game of atheism and relativism.

Anonymous BBGKB April 10, 2017 4:54 PM  

Not White-Asian, Steve; Han female-Caucasian male.

I first read it in Niall Ferguson's War of the World, then checked elsewhere to see if it was true. It was true, though the medicos may have a fix for it now


Those kind of things are more likely to be ignored than addressed cured. That's the kind of real talk in a world that expects 90yo+ white women to die from Rhabdomyolysis like a black male doing the original crossfit workout. The only things I could look up were about Asian-white gestational diabetes.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 10, 2017 4:54 PM  

Actually she has gone out on dates and it seems many young white men are not interested in settling down.

We've had this conversation before with/about other women, and it's kinda pointless, because neither side can prove she is or isn't anything. But Snidely is right: non-obese, non-hideous, available women don't go long without suitors unless they're keeping the serious ones at bay somehow. That doesn't mean she's lying; it's very likely that she honestly thinks she's doing everything right and men just aren't interested. But it doesn't work that way.

In any case, hope you're able to help her out.

Anonymous Luke April 10, 2017 4:55 PM  

Posted last thread:

132. Luke April 10, 2017 3:45 AM
95. Huggums April 09, 2017 8:41 PM

"VD, in your ideal world, what would become of American black people in the coming years? I think you already told me what you think will happen: black people will be forcibly moved or killed at some point in the future based on the "diversity + proximity = war" principle. I'm asking because I want to continue offering my support to your cause because I believe it is actually based in truth, but I no longer see how I can. Where could a black person possibly fit in to this?"

I'm not Vox, but here are my $0.02.
In general, work, don't take welfare, keep up your yard, pitch in if a neighborhood volunteer need arises and you're at all welcome (sandbagging vs. flood, search party for lost kid, etc.), don't threaten anyone, don't screw/try to screw anyone else's GF/wife/someone way different from you in age/lighter-skinned than you, speak in Standard English with a minimum of profanity, don't have anything with offensive concepts on it (yard signs/bumper stickers/hats/clothing), don't appear to use recreational chemicals past cigarettes, keep your hair short, don't get/don't keep any visible tattoos, don't let your kids/pets be a PITA to your neighbors, don't make loud party noises, etc.

Still, in the areas with the worst violence, things will inevitably get more intense there. IMO you'll either need to relocated from them VERY early, or be on the winning side WRT skin color. If the Hispanics or whites are the local winners when CW2 comes to town, and you aren't VERY well-known as causing no trouble, it's likely to go badly for you.

Blogger Huggums April 10, 2017 4:59 PM  

JI wrote:I think Vox is incorrect that Huggums was suggesting "X" is either impossible or wrong because it could happen to him. After all, he agreed with Vox's belief that diversity + proximity = war. Huggums might simply be asking where he could possibly fit in when helter skelter hits. And I think that's a reasonable thing to consider for each of us, without even implying that our own personal fates matter to the tides of history.

This is partly what I was asking, but until this post I also mistaknenly began to read some of his posts as prescriptive. Should've known better by now.

Blogger Unknown April 10, 2017 5:06 PM  

I went on two dates with a Korean guy, when I was in high school. He was from a neighboring town and we had a mutual friend. He was interested...until I wouldn't "hook up" after the second date. Then he told me he would only marry a Korean girl. American girls were for fun. Maybe it was a warning or mark of respect for mutual boundaries, but we felt the same way. Why bother, when marriage wasn't on the line?

If Idunna or her proxy commenter are serious about the lack of prospects then broaden the horizon.

One of the drawbacks of ethnic/tonal diversity is the dearth of like-minded Christian women and men whom might otherwise meet and settle. Perhaps Idunna/her proxy can't meet anyone else because they've all fled.

And of course there exists the whole romantic love vet issue, which only carries you so far. But young women are not given to practicality, and young men need sex, and so, here we are. Fathers. Fathers are needed.

Blogger Connie Anonny April 10, 2017 5:07 PM  

I went on two dates with a Korean guy, when I was in high school. He was from a neighboring town and we had a mutual friend. He was interested...until I wouldn't "hook up" after the second date. Then he told me he would only marry a Korean girl. American girls were for fun. Maybe it was a warning or mark of respect for mutual boundaries, but we felt the same way. Why bother, when marriage wasn't on the line?

If Idunna or her proxy commenter are serious about the lack of prospects then broaden the horizon.

One of the drawbacks of ethnic/tonal diversity is the dearth of like-minded Christian women and men whom might otherwise meet and settle. Perhaps Idunna/her proxy can't meet anyone else because they've all fled.

And of course there exists the whole romantic love vet issue, which only carries you so far. But young women are not given to practicality, and young men need sex, and so, here we are. Fathers. Fathers are needed.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 5:09 PM  

@120 Gaiseric

And leave the least talented here? No thanks! The talented tenth, if they're that ruthless, should send their under-performing bruthas to Liberia themselves so that it's MUCH less likely that they themselves will be found unwelcome when the SHTF.
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That would make a great twist at the end of my alternate reality tale. In my initial thoughts, this is what would happen to the untalented half:


@134 BBGKB

2 years from now ~80% of the US would have died off
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Got my copy of One Second After right here :P

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 5:12 PM  

@136 Bukulu
They could certainly hold it, given enough ruthlessness on their part. (See: Talented Tenth, and British Empire.)

But turn it into a decent country? Well, how many centuries are you willing to grant them?
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They can have all the time in the world. But by holding it I was thinking of tribal aggression from other africans, muslim invasions, (((games))), and Chinese colonization.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 5:14 PM  

@85 Idunna-Practicallyperfect

Is this what they refer to as hitting the wall?
Where is she? She might need to move to find her a white man.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 5:17 PM  

@143 Grayman
Any questions where this goes, how this ends???

Professor: ‘Trump Must Hang,’ Republicans Should Be Executed For Each Immigrant Deported
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For every rapefugee crime, 10 magic copter rides for lefties, starting with professors, and then followed by MSM yappin heads.

Anonymous Luke April 10, 2017 5:18 PM  

"Considering the topic of this post what advice would you give a young woman of northern European descent who is at the beginning stages of a relationship with a Chinese national."

If I knew her, and wasn't worried about losing a job or something (that outweighed the good I could do from talking her out of this guaranteed mistake), here is how I'd do it:
I'd ask her why she didn't want to have any children. She would of course most likely respond that the two of them planned on having children. I would tell her that was impossible, that he could well have children by her, but she would have none (unless she cuckolded him). When she expressed confusion, I would inform her of the ancient truth that white + nonwhite = nonwhite. If she were to bear this Chink's kid, he would have a child all right -- but she would have had a NEGATIVE number of children, being in effect brood parasited (like cuckoos/ whydahs/magpies do to other birds) by a nonwhite. Better she bear NO children at all, than A) miscegenate (being a free aquarium) and B) produce more future haters of her own ancestors. (Example #1 of many thousands possible: Barry Sotero.) Get her to watch the first "Alien" movie, and ask her "Why be one of those victims?".

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Next: when someone nonwhite whines about any mention on an Alt-Right sympathetic forum about a "Final Solution" for any nonwhites, they miss the key point: a FS for all the totally unnecessary, totally intolerable bullsh*t thos nonwhites cause in a white homeland is what a Final Solution is needed for. If the blacks that can't peaceably contribute on a NET basis would just leave our territory, taking all their stuff with them (that they mostly stole via burglary/affirmative action/welfare), I'm good with that.

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In discussions of where, once the ~pure ethnostates are formed, their boundaries will lie, there is something rarely mentioned. That is, the infrastructure/transportation and resource issues. The Mississippi as a seaport is crucial and will be fought over (ever heard of Vicksburg?). Likewise, anyone wanting to try to predict where the boundaries will end up need to use more than a Census race map. They need to look at where everything petroleum is located, along with railroads, interstate highways, electrical transmission lines, power generation facilities (nuke power plants, big dams, you name it). Thomas Chittum in his prescient book Civil War Two noted that in the Balkans during their wars in the past 100 years, near-suicidal infantry assaults were repeatedly made over such assets. Stalingrad was fought over as it was for more reasons than its name, e.g., its position on the Volga river and as a railroad nexus.

Blogger DonReynolds April 10, 2017 5:19 PM  

@129 Mathias
None of the major rivers in Arkansas originate or pass through desert states. The Arkansas River is a long river, much like the Missouri River.
None of the tributaries that feed into the Mississippi ever find the water returning. This is not tidewater. The Cumberland feeds into the Tennessee, the Tennessee feeds into the Ohio, and the Ohio into the Mississippi. The smaller rivers are what make the Mississippi the biggest river.

My dad passed away a little over a year ago and he can remember when there were no dams on the Arkansas river and there were times he could recall when it would be possible to wade across it. The same was true of all the major western rivers. Riverboat pilots had to carefully judge when the river would be too low to travel. That was certainly true on the Missouri, the Arkansas, and the Ouachita. That is no longer the case.

In Texas, the Colorado may be a dry river bed for many miles between dams holding back a lake. The Colorado in Texas was never a navigable waterway because it was clogged during pioneer times with trees and timbers deposited over the centuries. Nobody traveled from the Gulf Coast to Austin by riverboat. Part of the Rio Grande was navigable.

Texas developed in two parts, the present-day Interstate 35 being about 50 miles east of a line of forts that defended settlements in the east from Comanche attacks and raids from the west. I worked for a few years at Burnet, where they had Fort Croghan. There was never a peace between the Anglos and the Comanche, only the Germans made a separate peace. See Plum Creek and the Council House Massacre in San Antonio.

Neither Texas or Arkansas had any railroad to speak of until after the civil war and it was only much later that their short lines were connected with any national or interstate network of rail lines. The railroad was a welcome development but the people arrived first. The rail lines were easy enough to build but the bridges and trestles were major engineering feats and frightfully expensive, especially when crossing major rivers.

Blogger ZhukovG April 10, 2017 5:21 PM  

@Huggums: If you live in a large city, I would relocate. Even a temporary interruption in transport is going to turn the big cities into horror shows.

In fact since you are of African descent, I would recommend the rural or semi-rural South. I can't promise that things will be good for you no matter where you go, but at least down South you may not stick out as much.

As a White Southerner I have interacted with Blacks since I could talk and I am not atypical. So a White Southerner may be less likely to turn to violence as a first resort, but you will have to read the times as they occur. So will we all.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 5:25 PM  

Stop inviting Yankees into the south XD

Anonymous Luke April 10, 2017 5:29 PM  

152. Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 5:14 PM
@85 Idunna-Practicallyperfect

"Is this what they refer to as hitting the wall?
Where is she? She might need to move to find her a white man."


1) The Wall is commonly hit around late 20s. Mid 30s latest in 99% of cases just by appearance (fertility/potential to bond-longterm to a man not being f*cked away already largely gone well before then).

2) In 2005 when in Anchorage, Alaska, I saw a complete bowser/warpig sub-2.5 arm-in-arm with a guy who looked like a college swim team captain. Tell any sub-40 white chick who claims trouble marrying to go either to Alaska (currently unattached male/female ratio in the bush is about 300:1 I was told while there), or to Williston, ND. If she demurs, just respond that she is clearly like some laid-off UAW auto worker whining about unemployment who is unwilling to look for a job on the far side of town, and is entirely to blame for her continuing spinsterhood and childlessness. Then, forever lose all sympathy for her plight.

Anonymous Mr. Rational April 10, 2017 5:45 PM  

Eric Slate wrote:Based on the historical clash theory... In the case of US partition, US blacks are a large enough portion that they should be able to hold some areas.
You're making an equalist assumption that because other groups can do it that, Africans-in-America can do it too.

Given the massive criminality and welfare dependency of Africans-in-America, and the low-trust society they form, this seems unlikely.  People are not going to suddenly acquire skills or a work ethic just because they've been grouped with their own.  A starving Black area is going to demand gibs from without and fight within.  In short order the forbearance which allowed the segregation instead of harsher measures will be exhausted, and the area around the border fences will be a kill zone.

What follows may vary.  "Refugees" are unlikely to be allowed.  Neither are alliances with foreign powers.  One option is, after a culling that makes Rwanda look like a kindergarten fight, a viable society may emerge with no technology or industry beyond blacksmithing, and the majority of the former territory of Africans-in-America will be taken back by the White USA as it will not be populated.  The other is that patience is exhausted and the area is taken back with its relocated residents simply... gone.

@18  The total failure of every polity in ABRA (think Detoilet and Memphrica) shows that they can't accomplish anything without White money and management.

@25  Liberia West, Haiti North.

tz wrote:Selma is a wreck but they don't show that when they march.
Paul Kersey notes that there are (White) volunteers who clean up the path before the annual Selma marches.  Allowing the truth of ABRA Selma to be seen would Simply Not Do, so for that day it is a Potempkin city.

Were-Puppy wrote:Is a possibility they could take it, and hold it long enough to become a decent country?
In a word, no.  Not beyond their own lifetimes.  When you have a graduate degree but the children of poor Whites whup yours on the SAT, civilization is not something you can pass to your descendants.

Huggums wrote:I asked because I can't see supporting a movement that advocates for something that I consider to be unjust. Forcibly moving and/or killing black people is unjust. Same for all other people.
Africans-in-America forcibly moved and killed Whites out of Detroit, among other places... and then those who could leave abandoned them when they turned into shitholes.  Throwing them out again en masse is just deserts.

Anonymous Joe Katzman April 10, 2017 6:01 PM  

One of the unexpected things I found when I poked into the Alt-Right was general agreement that blacks in America were their own nation. Which does make sense. They are African in the same sense that American whites are 'European' - their own unique admixture that no longer really has a home or counterpart on the other continent. American blacks are genetically and cognitively different (about +15 IQ points) from any African population you could point at. Also very culturally different.

So, Huggums, the only questions left are how you're going to wake that nation to itself in a positive way, and where you want your nation to be.

In which case, welcome to the Alt-Right. 2 caveats:

1. You're going to have to roll your own alt-right nationalism, which is neither of the West nor of Africa. In fact, if you look through what we know of organizational change + manosphere insights, that nation will likely have Malcolm X playing the role of Theodore Herzl (the father of Zionism), with Hotep admixtures on top. Embrace the exciting opportunity.

2. Vox is also right. Empire breakups are messy. People of all ethnicities and colors can be expected to die, and many will either choose to move or be pushed: "get in your car or get in a hole." History is messy. C'est la vie, if you can survive it.

RE: where you want your nation to be, it could be via separation in place (also a Dark Enlightenment concept) and very strong economic localism (I don't expect a lot of Asian-owned shops in future black areas). Nations eventually look for something more expansive and coherent, though... personally, I would be very open to "Oakland as the capitol, SF and Silicon Valley down to San Jose thrown in for sea access, and extending well into the central valley beyond Pleasanton and into Napa." That's nicely over $2 Trillion in value, which ought to cover the "we're sorry" for slavery. And I'm sure the local liberals will be glad to help.

Hey, imagine having a government infrastructure built and maintained by Google and Facebook, as part of their annual reparations fees...

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist April 10, 2017 6:06 PM  

Praetorian--They should move there and rebuild the christian culture.

Gaiseric--I think another ideal outcome might be settling them as a buffer state in Northern Mexico.

I thought no one possesses the intrinsic right to impose ourselves. So how do you rectify your proposals with this line of thinking?

Chris Mallory--Move them north. The Yankees want to free them then worked to overturn sensible Jim Crow laws.

The greedy Southrons were responsible for the demise of Jim Crow. They clearly failed to honor the Supreme Court edict of "separate but equal", especially given the fact that a number of white Southern gentlemen and women had sought to associate with blacks within their own community without social consequence or legal retribution.

Anonymous Tanjil Bren April 10, 2017 6:13 PM  

"What all of us want is irrelevant. What is going to happen is going to happen according to the usual patterns of history."

This.

Decades of ease and mass entertainment, however, have given rise to several generations of fantasists.

(The regular beating leftists receive at the hands of reality is a case in point. It's just fortunate that it's also quite amusing.)

Anonymous W. Lindsay Wheeler April 10, 2017 6:26 PM  

Koanic wrote:The Christian thing and the Western thing, is SEGREGATION. That is how Aryans, Indo-Europeans do things--create caste societies.

Go back to India, shit-drinker.


Mr. Koanic doesn't know what it means to be a European then. This is the problem, many Americans do NOT know what it means to be a European. The Enlightenment was not European but Jewish and you can thank European atheists for adopting the Jewish way. Aryan is akin to the Germans, they are related as cousins. The Doric Greeks of Crete and Sparta, the founders of Western Culture and Civilization, created caste societies. That is the foundation of the West. Crete and Sparta are the base. The Anglo-Saxons created a caste society, men who pray, men who fight, and men who work. The French created a similar society. The Teutonic world does this because order and trifunctionality infuse the European/Teutonic mind.

Now, this is not for the Scots or the Irish, Gauls. The Americans of the South created a caste society both Pre-Civil War and Post Civil war.

Blogger DonReynolds April 10, 2017 6:27 PM  

A number of comments here seem to offer opinions on the shape of race conflict, but we really do not have to speculate. American history has plenty of examples to draw from. The Comanche-Anglo war(s) would probably be a good example.

The Comanche "homeland" was actually in western Oklahoma and during one particularly nasty conflict, the Comanche burned, looted, raped, and murdered their way clear across Texas to the Gulf Coast...called the Great Raid of 1840. The Texans of Linnville only escaped with their lives by taking to boats and going out into the Gulf of Mexico. At the time, Linnville was the second biggest port city in the Republic of Texas.

I can only imagine when it dawned on the Comanche that it was a long way back to their "homeland" in Oklahoma and the element of surprise was lost. It was like swatting a hornet's nest.

Volunteers, Texas Rangers, and state militia blocked their retreat, resulting in the battle of Plum Creek, between Kyle and Lockhart.

I will never forget the day when a woman came to my office in Kyle to ask about "Indian graves". She heard there might be some nearby.
Absolutely, the Texans shot and killed Comanche for thirty miles....roughly the range of their horses on that day....and kept hounding them until they left the state.

Anonymous Tanjil Bren April 10, 2017 6:28 PM  

'ZhukovG wrote:As a White Southerner I have interacted with Blacks since I could talk and I am not atypical.

In my own small experience, blacks in the south are very different to their northern counterparts. They appeared to be a lot happier and certainly more friendly.

Anonymous Bukulu April 10, 2017 6:46 PM  

Joe K.,

Nice to see you commenting here; really miss the Winds Of Change site you used to help run.

Anonymous Sammy April 10, 2017 6:52 PM  

"I believe that their will be no permanent break up of the Union. There will be no CSA II. What there will be is a homogeneous White Nation-State that will include all 50 states of the current Union. It's population will be somewhere between 110 and 130 million people.

I leave it to your fertile imaginations to figure out how the population was reduced."

There is no reason to believe nearly as many people are as racist as you are. In fact, there is far more reason to believe the anti racists out bomber your type by so many factors that you are the one most likely to get skinned.

Anonymous Tanjil Bren April 10, 2017 7:06 PM  

'I'll have to think about whether or not to continue supporting the alt-right.'

With all respect, that's a bit like considering whether or not to continue supporting the notion of planetary orbits.

Anonymous Grayman April 10, 2017 7:06 PM  

Sammy

Maybe he is but then I suppose larazza and the various Democratic left that are all calling for white genocide are horribly racist as well I'm sure you're willing to agree with that statement

Blogger VD April 10, 2017 7:10 PM  

forcing us to move somewhere, I will not support that and I don't see how I could be on the same side as people who do

If blacks don't want to be forced to move somewhere, then perhaps they should stop chasing down white people and ruining their neighborhoods. Once whites have nowhere left to go, they will forcibly move blacks.

And they will have that right because blacks refused to respect their right to free association.

But really, whites are not the primary problem for American blacks. Hispanics are.

Blogger Gaiseric April 10, 2017 7:19 PM  

@Yankee Imperialist: I don't have to rectify any contradiction between something that I've said and something that I didn't say.

Blogger Idunna-Practicallyperfect April 10, 2017 7:42 PM  

@144 Grayman
Excellent point she is a Christian but has yet to have that conversation with him.

@146 Cali,
Yes it is pointless but as someone who remembers when you started your blog I hope you will trust that I know she is telling the truth. One thing she may be doing coming off as to hungry.

@149
Thank you Connie I will share your story with her. She did move and perhaps she is not being patient enough.

@152 Were-Puppy
Not hitting the wall, but is afraid she will.
Without going into a long discussion there is a rather large disconnect out for the suitable.

Once again thank you all.

Anonymous Luke April 10, 2017 7:55 PM  

167. Sammy April 10, 2017 6:52 PM
"I believe that their will be no permanent break up of the Union. There will be no CSA II. What there will be is a homogeneous White Nation-State that will include all 50 states of the current Union. It's population will be somewhere between 110 and 130 million people.

I leave it to your fertile imaginations to figure out how the population was reduced."

"There is no reason to believe nearly as many people are as racist as you are."

I'll provide you with one. I have spoken to scores of other white males who, in situations where they assess they can speak freely, believe as I do with respect to the unsalvageable worthlessness of diversities and the likely future of America. Hint: the latter is way closer to Thomas Chittum than it is to "Imagine" and Kumbyah.

Blogger tz April 10, 2017 8:21 PM  

@142 Does her hair reach far past her shoulders? When she goes out with men, what is the conversation, why doesn't she think they want to settle down? If she is talking career and doing shit-tests instead of explaining how well she can cook and keep house I can understand. But she has to consider MMV and "next" those that just want to play. What is her N (number of previous sexual partners)?

Where does she find the men (probably not a conservative church or Tea Party gathering)?

The current culture has created a paradox where she needs to make the first move without being aggressive. Right now it is considered harassment for men to engage.

Blogger tz April 10, 2017 8:29 PM  

@141 to echo, a decade ago I was more libertarian on "gay rights", but now that "we aren't harming anyone so leave us alone" has changed to "cater to our gay wedding or we will destroy you and your business", I don't want any LGBTQs as neighbors because I can't tell if they will be looking to play the victim and hurt my existing neighbors.

Martin Luther King Jr at least was creating bridges (though he was doing media grandstanding and manipulated the narrative - even Malcolm Gladwell documens this in the last part of "David and Goliath" and he is mixed race).

If I have an expectation of someone causing trouble, I will be very suspicious.

But why wouldn't Huggums want to be among his own kind? Aren't they the same? Equal? And work for a nonviolent partition?

Blogger tz April 10, 2017 8:38 PM  

And as to the Trail of Tears, the Native Americans were warring with each other and committing atrocities, genocides, and displacing existing tribes for centuries before the first white arrived. Their idea of civilization was warring to capture enough people so they didn't have to cut the hearts out of their own people atop pyramids like the Aztecs. They were not in harmony with the environment, they just lacked the numbers or technology to destroy it.

Could you find something noble in the 500 savage nations? Yes if you looked hard enough, but the savagery is a bit more obvious.

Blogger Huggums April 10, 2017 8:42 PM  

VD wrote:forcing us to move somewhere, I will not support that and I don't see how I could be on the same side as people who do

If blacks don't want to be forced to move somewhere, then perhaps they should stop chasing down white people and ruining their neighborhoods. Once whites have nowhere left to go, they will forcibly move blacks.

And they will have that right because blacks refused to respect their right to free association.

But really, whites are not the primary problem for American blacks. Hispanics are.


Are you or anyone else able to stop the white individuals who are working with all their might against to destroy western civilization? What makes you think I or any other black person has the power to stop those black people who actually commit the crimes you describe? The break-up you describe may come about and it may end with the worst case scenario, but there will be no justice in it.

Blogger Huggums April 10, 2017 8:48 PM  

tz wrote:@141 to echo, a decade ago I was more libertarian on "gay rights", but now that "we aren't harming anyone so leave us alone" has changed to "cater to our gay wedding or we will destroy you and your business", I don't want any LGBTQs as neighbors because I can't tell if they will be looking to play the victim and hurt my existing neighbors.

Martin Luther King Jr at least was creating bridges (though he was doing media grandstanding and manipulated the narrative - even Malcolm Gladwell documens this in the last part of "David and Goliath" and he is mixed race).

If I have an expectation of someone causing trouble, I will be very suspicious.

But why wouldn't Huggums want to be among his own kind? Aren't they the same? Equal? And work for a nonviolent partition?


I already live around mostly black people. I have no problems with that. I also have no problems with white people wanting to have all-white communities.

Anonymous Sammy April 10, 2017 8:51 PM  

"Sammy

Maybe he is but then I suppose larazza and the various Democratic left that are all calling for white genocide are horribly racist as well I'm sure you're willing to agree with that statement"

Throw in the minority racists too and you still don't have enough fools to creat a city, let alone a nation. The racists act like it's 1850 and the last 150 years never happened.

In the event of a braakdown the far more likely scenario is white, blacks, latinos, etc helping each other the best they can and banding together to kick whitey or blacky's ass who think they may take the opportunity to play out their racist fantasies.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 10, 2017 8:56 PM  

@177 Huggums
The break-up you describe may come about and it may end with the worst case scenario, but there will be no justice in it.

So?

Dude, Soviet troops apparently raped every single female between the age of 8 and 80 that could be found in 1945, 46 an 47. Was there justice in that or not?

The revolutionaries on Haiti back in the 19th century killed every single white person they could find. Justice?

In Africa even now there are wars going on where men go out to kill every man, woman, child and animal in a village. Justice?

In some parts of New Guinea, tribal warfare includes eating the losers, men, women and children. Justice?

If push comes to shove, "justice" is less important than living. Human history shows that. Nobody is saying "Oh, goody goody!", we are saying "This could happen. If it does, better be someplace else, or really well forted up".

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 10, 2017 8:59 PM  

Another alternative in some areas would be Mexico Lite or Brazil Lite, where an informal caste system comes into existence. The elites in Latin America tend to be whiter than the general population. There are exceptions such as Paraguay, but they are small.

The result would be better than total partition, but not all that similar to what exists now.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 10, 2017 9:02 PM  

@sammy
In the event of a braakdown the far more likely scenario is white, blacks, latinos, etc helping each other the best they can and banding together to kick whitey or blacky's ass who think they may take the opportunity to play out their racist fantasies.

Sure, that's why total peace has reigned in Compton, California between blacks and Los Surenos for the last 15 years.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 10, 2017 9:05 PM  

Ya'll seem pretty eager to give away Texas. We fought for it. It's ours. We cleared out the cannibal Indians, built roads, towns, schools. Buffalo soldiers, and whites. That is, blacks and whites, Germans, Scots Irish, Blacks with Ambition, Indians who wanted in on a good deal.

The small towns in Texas are majority black, majority white, or majority Hispanic. It takes major interventions by Federales to get blacks and whites to mix. Vidor? Home of the two criminals that dragged a black men down a country road? The men were criminals first, whites second. In response, the Federal Government required that the law-abiding citizens-black and white- mix in Vidor, but not in the black rural town right next door. The black single mothers did not want to be in Vidor, and the law-abiding Vidor residents did not want blacks in their town. The blacks next town over did not want whites in their small town, but nobody asked their opinion. Both towns are okay with their children moving to Austin or San Antonio and becoming friends, however.

The federal government, now, is importing extremely violent Central American refugees and settling them in housing projects, among poor blacks and poor whites. I've seen these central American kids- elementary school! Gang up and swarm white girls and black boys. It looked like ants on an elephant. We lived next to a Section 8 housing project. It was safe, law-abiding, clean. After the CAs. it wasn't. We moved for our children's safety, as did all of the white people with children that we knew. People lost their savings, selling their houses at a loss. Some people will never live in houses again, own property again, it was that brutal of a hit. We were fortunate, ourselves.

A black woman, last summer, in the parking lot 100 degree weather, commenting " It keeps the riff-raff out." That's to say, damnyankees and Californians.

My family, my first cousins, one's married to a black woman, daughter of a preacher. One's married to a Mexican. We are nice to both of them. They think we are racist, always on alert.

In Texas, kids say the Pledge of Allegiance to both the USA and to Texas, in English and in Spanish.

I don't know about the rest of the USA, but there will be blacks in Texas, and they'll be the talented tenth, simply b/c Texas has low welfare- nobody stupid survives here. I've seen poor, disorderly whites move back to Massachusetts so they could have benefits for their three different babies by three different daddies.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 10, 2017 9:08 PM  

Long way round to, Huggums? Come on out to Texas. Start a business. Go to church, volunteer at your kids school, marry the mother of your children. Do that, you're not riff-raff, and nobody will question why you're here.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 10, 2017 9:12 PM  

San Antonio in Northern Mexico, Dallas has South Dallas, very black, Houston is incredibly mixed, dynamic, port. Austin is tech, the towns around Austin are pretty homogenous- white, hispanic or black- but not all three at once. Small towns- not only are there white towns, there are German majority towns still speaking German dialects.
If you have a business, the state loves you. If you marry the mother of your children, nobody will question you, if you're in church, people assume you've got people. An entire church (black) up and moved from one town to another, to evangelize. They are serious.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 9:15 PM  

@167 Sammy
There is no reason to believe nearly as many people are as racist as you are.
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(((Mr. Cuckjangles)))

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 9:24 PM  

@183 Ariadne Umbrella
Ya'll seem pretty eager to give away Texas. We fought for it. It's ours. We cleared out the cannibal Indians
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Serious question, which ones were cannibals? The ones I know of were Aruacs (i think) in Puerto Rico.

Anonymous Luke April 10, 2017 9:31 PM  

177. Huggums April 10, 2017 8:42 PM
[to VD]
"Are you or anyone else able to stop the white individuals who are working with all their might against to destroy western civilization?"

There aren't enough Breviks to accomplish that -- YET.

Blogger Lazarus April 10, 2017 9:39 PM  

In Neo-America, I see ethnic ghettos existing within areas of diverse population, but there will be laws or regulations regarding interactions between them. Some lucky states will be ethnically homogenous. This use to be the de facto arrangement, only in the future it will be formal.

Blogger Knight Of the Realm April 10, 2017 9:49 PM  

I'm afraid it work out like the map currently looks; there are too many white armed country boys in the south. They will stack up the mud people like cord wood; it want be pretty for either side but there is no doubt how it will turn out. Everything outside a major city will be white with the cities looking like Syria

Blogger Were-Puppy April 10, 2017 9:52 PM  

Imagine if the "hey yall, watch this" was put to practice in a war setting.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 10, 2017 10:21 PM  

Karankawas.
The Cherokee scalped.

Nobody liked the Karankawas.

and, parenthetically, for Huggums, it's safer in Mississippi: no abortion clinics, while Texas has some of the biggest in the hemisphere in Houston, at the corner of a historically black neighborhood and a historically Hispanic neighborhood.

But, no welfare, poor whites from the country: no B.S. The most profitable package delivery company in town is co-owned by a black man and a white Civil War re-enactor, on the Confederate side. The largest pest control company is owned by a black man who hires a white actor for advertising. The largest limousine company is owned by a black man who got disrespected at one car dealership, so he went to another, bought a Cadillac SUV cash, provided the owner of the car-lot called the owner of the other lot while the transaction occurred.

There's oil-field money still to be made, from services, parts, new parts, and computers. Louisiana has oil-millionaire black families, but no new oil. Shipping, welding, blue collar jobs are open.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 10, 2017 11:00 PM  

Are you or anyone else able to stop the white individuals who are working with all their might against to destroy western civilization? What makes you think I or any other black person has the power to stop those black people who actually commit the crimes you describe?

We all have to decide how noble or grim we think the world really is. When you look at history, one man has rarely changed the course of events all by himself, but sometimes one man has influenced other men, who have influenced other men in turn, so on until there were enough to make a difference.

I wouldn't stop preparing for the worst, but where you can, advocate for something better.

Blogger tz April 10, 2017 11:05 PM  

@177 What makes you think I or any other black person has the power to stop those black people who actually commit the crimes you describe?
Because you said you already live among them, and do you vote for welfare and gun control, or freedom? You can stop criminals by shooting them or quarantine (prison) or something like Jim Crow.
The reason you refuse to stop them is because the methods that would be effective you consider unjust.

Also see @78. You take no responsibility for stealing my country or destroying my culture? Or do you? Are you sorry that I have to pay for the indolent?

Blogger SteelPalm April 10, 2017 11:16 PM  

Easily one of your best #AltRight posts, Vox. With clear and relevant historical examples.

And Huggums, you have to understand that whites treat blacks far better than any other race ever has, blacks included.

You're so concerned about how whites view you, or what they will do, when it's Hispanics and Asians that you should genuinely be worried about.

Unlike whites, Hispanics and Asians don't have a shred of guilt about blacks.

On the contrary, they absolutely despise blacks to a degree that would make a KKK member wince. They would have no qualms about any form of genocide or displacement. Which, on a smaller scale, they have already perpetrated in certain communities.

What is the only force that can stop Hispanics and Asians from further dominating the US, and in the latter's case, Africa as well? Nationalism and the Alt-Right.

Thus, if you're a black worried about this, it behooves you to support white nationalism in some capacity.

Because if the whites triumph, even the most hardcore racists will treat you far better than the Hispanics and Asians will.

Blogger Lazarus April 10, 2017 11:16 PM  

Knight Of the Realm wrote:Everything outside a major city will be white with the cities looking like Syria

If the failed state part of America is quarantined, so much the better.

Blogger Koanic April 10, 2017 11:17 PM  

Mr. Koanic doesn't know what it means to be a European then.

Not only do I understand what it means to be European, I understand what it takes to remain European.

My objection is not to caste systems, but to mixed race ones.

Hence why I called you shit-drinker - because that is what your society would devolve into. Go back to India.

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