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Thursday, April 27, 2017

NFL Draft, Day One

Not a lot to discuss here for Vikings fans, but this is the annual open thread.

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Blogger Ben Cohen April 27, 2017 7:08 PM  

Who are the Vikings going to replace ap with?

Blogger lowercaseb April 27, 2017 7:25 PM  

OT: I am pleased to report it's boring as hell here... It's like a Star spangled Ren faire.

Blogger lowercaseb April 27, 2017 7:31 PM  

OT: nevermind...BAMN and Felarca just showed up.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 27, 2017 7:51 PM  

Narrative on steroids, literally. Now especially since ESPN had the great white firing for social justice

Blogger lowercaseb April 27, 2017 7:53 PM  

OT: Nevermind...That fizzled out quickly...They are gone already. I'll stop interrupting footballl

Anonymous WaterBoy April 27, 2017 7:54 PM  

@4: We call that "whitewashing"....

Anonymous JAG April 27, 2017 7:54 PM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:Narrative on steroids, literally. Now especially since ESPN had the great white firing for social justice

I never expected any other outcome than ESJWPN doubling down.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 27, 2017 8:00 PM  

MS ESPN should be lauded loud and often for their commitment to social justice

Blogger YIH April 27, 2017 8:12 PM  

Ben Cohen wrote:Who are the Vikings going to replace ap with?
My guess, if a decent RB appears in rd 2 (quite possible) they'll go for it. I can't say I'm surprised AP signed with the Saints, my sense was the Vikes would only re-sign him at the lowest salary possible in the hopes he'd take it and be grateful. They didn't expect another team would show interest in him.
With Tony Romo, the Cowboys pretty much told him ''minimum contract or see 'ya'' and no other team was willing to roll the dice on his fragility. His agent sniffed around and got him a CBS gig. Hence retirement, which overall was the best thing for him.

Blogger Achilles April 27, 2017 8:28 PM  

Bears traded up one spot for a QB. At least the Cubs won a World series.

Blogger YIH April 27, 2017 8:32 PM  

Well this guy got the Clowns pick right but the Teddy Bears trading up was a surprise.

Blogger YIH April 27, 2017 8:35 PM  

Achilles wrote:Bears traded up one spot for a QB. At least the Cubs won a World series.
That was a bit of a head-scratcher, QB was the one thing they didn't need to make a priority. Everywhere else is where they need help.

Anonymous WaterBoy April 27, 2017 8:49 PM  

Don't Touch The Poop.

Anonymous WaterBoy April 27, 2017 8:50 PM  

Heh. Somebody has a quick trigger finger....

Blogger VD April 27, 2017 8:52 PM  

No more warnings. Straight to spam. I don't give a quantum of an airborne rodent's posterior for people's opinions about the NFL when they don't watch it, for whatever reason.

Blogger SemiSpook37 April 27, 2017 9:01 PM  

Noticed something was weird when the comment I had "copied" wasn't the one I thought it was. Deleted it accordingly because it wasn't related.

However, to reiterate: not sure Da Bears needed to let all that go just to make sure they could get someone to start ahead of Buttfumble.

Anonymous WaterBoy April 27, 2017 9:06 PM  

SemiSpook37 @16: "not sure Da Bears needed to let all that go just to make sure they could get someone to start ahead of Buttfumble."

Niners played a nice game, dangling a trade-up from somebody else wanting Trubisky and getting Chicago to bite.

Blogger YIH April 27, 2017 9:07 PM  

Carolina Panthers select Christian McCaffrey No. 8 overall
The star running back totaled 3,922 rushing yards, 1,206 receiving yards and 31 TDs in his Stanford career.
Wait a minute...

Anonymous Looking Glass April 27, 2017 9:18 PM  

Run on "Skill" positions. Seems a bad tackle draft, I guess. I haven't followed the draft process this year.

McCaffrey going high was a given. The guy is the super-star talent at the combo role the Patriots invented. Hopefully the Panthers can use him properly. If not, Belichick will get him in a trade for a 4th rounder in 3 years.

Great play by SanFran. I still don't see that going well for Da Bears, but this might be a non-top heavy draft.

Blogger YIH April 27, 2017 9:29 PM  

BTW a much better and easier way to follow the draft is http://www.nfl.com/ beats the heck out SJWN - the total Social Justice network!
Plus, you can game on an emulator in a window while, like the draft always is, a whole lot of nothing going on most of the time.

Anonymous Looking Glass April 27, 2017 9:39 PM  

@20 YIH

NFL.com's "grading system" doesn't give even most of the top-10 that great of a chance in the NFL. Explains the oddities in how everyone is trading around. We're in full on "play the odds" mode for the draft, thus the move is to great the guy you think has the best upside potential in the positions of need. 3 QBs gone in 12 picks, in a bad QB draft. Wow.

Blogger YIH April 27, 2017 9:59 PM  

@21
My guess is they're feeding the media types baloney to keep them happy while not revealing anything important.
You're right, this was supposed to be a defense-heavy draft, 3 QBs is odd, to say the least. Especially to two teams that could've waited at least a year to go for one.
Although after last season, I can see why the Texans wanted one.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 27, 2017 10:02 PM  

Top ten in the draft I call the hype zone, much bust produced in it.

Mac will be the steal even at 8th overall

Blogger Cail Corishev April 27, 2017 10:05 PM  

3 QBs gone in 12 picks, in a bad QB draft.

Seems like it's becoming a routine: early in the off-season, people talk disappointedly about how it's a QB-poor draft class coming up this year, and the early talk about the #1 pick is linemen or other relatively reliable picks. Then as the draft gets closer, teams talk themselves into thinking a couple of the QBs are great after all, and they move right on up.

Anonymous logprof April 27, 2017 10:09 PM  

Happy with the Chiefs' initial move.

Anonymous Looking Glass April 27, 2017 10:12 PM  

Texans make sense, but they really should have been the first one off the board. Fournette going #3 probably should have told us how the trade was going to play out: "lots of 2nd rounders" is the draft grade most teams have a lot of. Or just more proof that the Patriots figured out the real nature of the Draft.

And I just checked New England's draft position. Yup, they traded picks and some swaps for two established players. Partially because they're probably on their last year with Brady, but mostly because if the top 10 of the draft is acting that way, it's a completely random draft, again.

And, seriously, after the run on QBs, no one was willing to trade a 1st to NE for Garappolo? Somehow the "but he could be a star!" analysis of QBs still screws up NFL organizations.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass April 27, 2017 10:16 PM  

My dad once took care of a scout that works the combine. The scout told him the hardest thing about determining whether a QB will make it in the NFL is whether they can take an NFL hit, which is unknown until they start playing.

Then again you can just end up with an idiot like Manziel, who is bad bull to boot.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 27, 2017 10:16 PM  

ESPN should have had a reverse draft broadcast of the firings, with the most famous voices going last. Would have killed in the ratings.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 27, 2017 10:18 PM  

Manziel was a head-scratcher anyhow. An obvious rookie back-up 3rd rounder.

Anonymous Looking Glass April 27, 2017 10:29 PM  

QBs always go too high. And it was the Browns.


@27 Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass

That does make a lot of sense. Though the category size for what you need to be an NFL QB is really small.

- Investment Banker level Wonderlic score (so at least +1 SD)
- Greater than 6' tall.

That alone puts you into a category of less than 5% of the total Male population of the USA that would qualify, which is before any consideration of physical talent, drive, desire to play in the NFL and the willingness to absorb everything that goes with it.

Then you have to deal with the problem that it's a terrible job. Put it this way: if you're the 50th best Soccer/futbol player in the world, you're at least a Star in your home country, playing in a top-flight league and making lots of money. If you're the 50th best QB in the world, your family doesn't want to see your starting a game.

If you're going into the game, it means someone has gotten injured badly, no one rooting for your team wants you out there and you're going to be slammed on every talking-head show for a week. Somehow you're paid millions a year and it's one of the most thankless jobs in the country.

Blogger Ken Prescott April 27, 2017 10:44 PM  

Ahem.

Three Words: "Los Angeles Chargers."

Two words: GO RAIDERS!

(I am a San Diego native.)

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 27, 2017 10:49 PM  

The titans are so dumb

Blogger Quilp April 27, 2017 10:51 PM  

Sigh, Da Bills. I dont get the trade. We lose the chance to draft top talent this year, to get a probable same second (non top talent)first round pick next year as well? I no longer live in NY, perhaps its time to switch teams. Vegas isnt that far...RAIDERS baby

Blogger YIH April 27, 2017 11:14 PM  

VFM #6306 wrote:Manziel was a head-scratcher anyhow. An obvious rookie back-up 3rd rounder.
And yet, the Cowboys wanted and could have taken him before the Clowns did @#20 that year. Dumb luck at dodging that bullet.
@31 Well, they did, I still stunned that the NFL OK'd the move to Vegas. They've always despised gambling, in their extensive list of advertiser no-no's, one of those is with the exception of State lotteries, gambling isn't allowed. Las Vegas could do generic tourism ads so long as they didn't mention gambling or show 'the strip'.
Yet now, the Las Vegas Raiders.
Prediction: Once the Raiders actually begin play there, the NFL will ban fan costumes for all teams. During the Pro Bowl the only bags allowed in the stadium were completely transparent ones - even transparent ones with team logos were not allowed.

Blogger Lazarus April 27, 2017 11:21 PM  

let me see....who does not depend on the first round draft to win?

Patriots maybe? Bledsoe was a first rounder but was just the set up guy for the 6th rounder Brady, who went on to a futile career , plying his trade in obscurity.

Blogger YIH April 27, 2017 11:33 PM  

#27 Bills (From Chiefs) White, Tre'Davious
You knew there had to be a name like that didn't you?

Anonymous Bob April 27, 2017 11:58 PM  

Year of the kicker and special teams. Because reasons.

Anonymous JAG April 28, 2017 12:09 AM  

Not much for premium defensive ends in the first round this year. Just two got drafted from a cursory glance at the list of first round picks.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 28, 2017 1:12 AM  

Seahawks trade out of the first round. Now there's a shocker. Kinda wish they'd gotten Ramczyk, but I can't be too unhappy with 3 extra picks for only moving down 8 spots.

Anonymous JAG April 28, 2017 1:43 AM  

Jack Amok wrote:Seahawks trade out of the first round. Now there's a shocker. Kinda wish they'd gotten Ramczyk, but I can't be too unhappy with 3 extra picks for only moving down 8 spots.

This seems like the kind of draft where stockpiling later round picks is the way to go.

Blogger Mr. Naron April 28, 2017 1:46 AM  

Strange, the Raiders don't usually pick a suspected rapist till the second round.

Blogger Megamerc April 28, 2017 2:19 AM  

Chiefs' pick was curious.

Speaking of the NFL draft, ESPN was wise to fire their people on the draft day. Everyone is talking about the draft now instead of the layoffs.

Also, ESPN layoffs were mostly white men.

Blogger Antony April 28, 2017 2:26 AM  

OT, but this is a live feed from a group called Red Elephants live from Berkeley ; https://www.facebook.com/TheRealRedElephants/videos/405486176489853/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE

Anonymous Jack Amok April 28, 2017 2:48 AM  

Strange, the Raiders don't usually pick a suspected rapist till the second round.

gotta adjust to the times. These days any football player who hasn't been accused of rape by his senior year clearly isn't high enough profile to take in the first round.

In other news, a Turkish freighter carrying over 8,000 mail order brides to Jordan collided with and sank a Rooskie spy ship.

Anonymous Colorado Confederate April 28, 2017 2:56 AM  

Apart from a "Takkarist" and an "Adoree'", the names seem pretty tame. When I was a kid, it was all Joe, Eugene, Dexter, and such. "Everson" was about as wild as things got...

Next, ol' Keyshawn came along. There was also a real run on "Antwan" (and its variants) about 10 years ago.

Not surprisingly, the Broncos went O-line in the 1st...

Blogger Unknown April 28, 2017 5:21 AM  

Bears got schooled.

Texans are desperate, but might end up with the best QB of this class.

Chiefs move is curiouse - but if anyone will get anything out of Mahones, it's Andy Reid. Of course, Reid will fuck up in the play-offs despite of it.

Real possibility that either Dalvin Cook or Joe Mixon falls to Vikings.

Blogger James Dixon April 28, 2017 6:59 AM  

> - Greater than 6' tall.

You do realize that Russell Wilson is only 5' 11" don't you?

Blogger Jabari April 28, 2017 11:07 AM  

Thrilled with the Cards pick.

Tons of great defensive players at the top and there was a run on QBs and WRs. Cards got who they absolutely wanted and nobody here in Phoenix thought he'd be available still.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 28, 2017 11:35 AM  

Chiefs' pick was curious.

Well, Alex Smith is 32 years old. If they want to develop a QB the old-fashioned way over a few years, it looks like a pretty good fit.

The thing with QBs is that you just don't know if they can learn to run an NFL offense and read NFL defenses fast enough. You can't tell that from watching them in college. You can't tell it from their Wonderlic scores (though if that's too low, the odds aren't good). There's probably not much you can do except talk to the guy, pepper him with questions, try him out, and look for a quickness of intellect and an awareness of what's happening around him that seems like it would develop and translate well. That's bound to be pretty hit-and-miss, which is why more than half of them are busts. But if you want to replace your aging starter with another quality starter in a few years, that's what you have to do, whether you find the guy in the first round or the fourth. They're rare, so if you think you've found one, you take him.

Anonymous Clay April 28, 2017 2:12 PM  

Vox, I understand you always went with Peterson.

What do you think about him going with the Saints? I don't suppose Ingram is too happy.

Blogger Roger G2 April 29, 2017 7:32 PM  

I'd like to interrupt here and let people know how pleased I am with Drew Pearson's trolling of the hostile Philadelphia audience. Go Cowboys.

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