ALL BLOG POSTS AND COMMENTS COPYRIGHT (C) 2003-2017 VOX DAY. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. REPRODUCTION WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED.

Wednesday, April 12, 2017

Syria, because North Korea

It increasingly appears that the Syrian attack was intended to put pressure on China to end the North Korean nuclear threat.
April 11, 2017: A Chinese daily newspaper (Global Times) known for being a state-controlled media outlet used to test new ideas published an item today pointing out that if North Korea does not abandon its nuclear weapons program (which is seen as a threat to China) then China will bomb the nuclear facilities and North Korea will have to live with that or suffer further military and economic consequences they cannot respond to (by attacking China). This article also warned the United States not to contemplate doing this, as North Korea was for neighbor China to deal with, not some distant superpower. Within hours the article was removed from the Global Times website, but many people had seen it and it still existed in Google cache. In other words, China was telling North Korea that stronger measures from China were now a possibility. At the same time the U.S. was making it clear that the kind of attack on Syria the U.S. recently carried out could be tried on North Korea. China agrees that it might come to that but they insist that the bombs or missiles be Chinese.
My current thinking is that the attack on Syria was intended to let Premier Xi know that Trump meant what he was saying about North Korea, and that if China did not swiftly address the situation, the US naval forces being sent to the Sea of Japan would be utilized instead. This also means that the US will have additional assets in place if North Korea were to respond to a Chinese attack by attacking South Korea.

I've never thought it was an accident that the attack took place during the meeting between Trump and Xi. It also tends to answer the question that has been plaguing the Trump-doubters, which is why Trump would suddenly appear to do an about-face on Syria. But Trump still doesn't care about Syria or see it in the national interest, he simply needed something to blow up in order to make it clear to Xi that he would actually follow through on his threats. And I think Trump actually agrees with the Chinese in that he, too, would prefer that any bombs or missiles dropped on North Korea be Chinese rather than American.

If this is the correct interpretation of events, and if the Syria attack causes the Chinese to remove the Kim dynasty from power in North Korea, it will be seen as a brilliant grand strategic move on the God-Emperor's part. It will also demonstrate that Trump not only is not controlled by the neocons, but that he doesn't need them at all.

Labels:

273 Comments:

1 – 200 of 273 Newer› Newest»
Anonymous Amir Larijani April 12, 2017 1:07 PM  

If you are correcrt, that would make it another case of Trump playing 12-D underwater chess.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2017 1:10 PM  

It is a total screw up, still. The only way to repair the damage is to totally pull out of Syria and put pressure on all outside parties to stop funding and arming Assad"s opposition. Then and only then will the Tomahawks will be forgotten/forgiven.
The Tomahawks was another of these uSA beating up on a small country that cannot do anything in return, except Russia.
I did not vote for Trump for him to do a "read my lips" about face, on domestic nor foreign issues.
We shall see.

Blogger horsewithnonick April 12, 2017 1:13 PM  

If this scenario, among other related plays, pans out for him, the 2020 election will be a formality, and the 2024 candidates will be debating where to build the Trump Monument.

Blogger Jack Vibe April 12, 2017 1:13 PM  

I've heard it said before that most of Trump's moves take 2 days to 2 weeks to play out and be seen for what they are. If this is the case, we could see N. Korea wrapped up by the end of next week. Though I think they will try negotiations first which will extend the timeframe.

Blogger Ray Mota April 12, 2017 1:14 PM  

In this 3D geopolitical chess match Trump is a grandmaster.
Lean on ‘em Donald, lean on ‘em HARD.

See?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 12, 2017 1:15 PM  

There's a Chinese proverb about a chicken and monkeys that comes to mind right about now.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 12, 2017 1:15 PM  

@2

Does the cucking/shilling ever cease with you guys? Only an idiot, or a pearl clutching conservative, votes for a man expecting perfection rather than competence.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora April 12, 2017 1:17 PM  

I also wonder if Trump's comments about being swayed by Ivanka's broken heart is not his own version of Nixon's mad man theory in action. I'm probably wrong on that but I have trouble believing with all his advisers that Ivanka's opinion was really that important.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar April 12, 2017 1:17 PM  

Told you so.

Anonymous Sensei April 12, 2017 1:18 PM  

another case of Trump playing 12-D underwater chess.

I'm confused by all the Nth dimension chess language. Is this kind of thing not simply a direct and intelligent strategic move that a thick-skinned leader would use to achieve some goal he desires?

(If the above analysis is true, the Chinese are probably -happy- they're getting red meat diplomacy and not SJW human rights lectures)

Or are we so unused to that kind of thing that by 2017 it seems like vulcan chess by comparison?

Anonymous Looking Glass April 12, 2017 1:18 PM  

The Propaganda Op in Syria still has all of the hallmarks of a Western Intel service trying to trap Trump into the NeoCon's plans. (The coordinated Drum Beats for War was WAY too big of a tell.) But the G-E has a very deft hand. They actually gave him an easy way to set precedence for how he's going to respond: Unacceptable Actions draw destroyed of the Launch Platforms.

That's the Trump Military Doctrine for the time being. Iranian boat issues? Bye bye Port. NK Nuke tests? Bye Bye production facilities. This explains all of the early Red Line talk. Wasn't just a shot at Obama (though it was); it was a "this is a line; crossing it will bring a response".

One ping, only.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr April 12, 2017 1:18 PM  

If Trump can pull this off, it would be a masterstroke. The Korean Problem is becoming a headache that nobody in the region needs. Having China deal with it will enhance their prestige, but we can live with that.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2017 1:22 PM  

@7. Theproductofafineeduction

I am expecting competence not ass licking by you or others.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer April 12, 2017 1:23 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:It is a total screw up, still. The only way to repair the damage is to totally pull out of Syria and put pressure on all outside parties to stop funding and arming Assad"s opposition. Then and only then will the Tomahawks will be forgotten/forgiven.

The Tomahawks was another of these uSA beating up on a small country that cannot do anything in return, except Russia.

I did not vote for Trump for him to do a "read my lips" about face, on domestic nor foreign issues.

We shall see.


If Trump solves the NK problem in a way that allows us to remove our assets from SK then I don't think anyone will give a damn about the reasons you voted for him.

Blogger Euphoric Anger April 12, 2017 1:25 PM  

I hope youre right, Vox.

Anonymous Looking Glass April 12, 2017 1:25 PM  

@8 Solaire Of Astora

Ivanka doesn't tweet on policy. (Or at least FP and big stuff.) Her tweeting was the Media Strategy. The photos were targeted PsyOps at Trump. He's got 8 grandchildren (9 by the end of the year). You roll out the Smoking Hot Soccer Mom to put a "caring" face on the actions. Trump has multiple objectives for killing the media line about "Trump = Hitler". He'll take any opportunity to under cut that narrative.

The man is a very cool customer. His Media Persona creation skill is so great that even other Intel agencies have fallen for it. He put almost all of this stuff in his book, but Socialists can't understand the concepts. They've blocked their minds to it.

Doesn't mean everything will work. RyanCare seems to have happened because taking a loss was the best strategic move, since no one wanted to deal. Flynn had to be let go because of massive resistance from those on his own side, but he still spun that out into something valuable. Trump removes people "quickly", but never irrationally. He's lived in thinking about "the next deal" for decades. It's how he operates. We've watched him for nearly 2 years and most of the world still doesn't get that.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2017 1:25 PM  

These uSA will not pull the 500 or so troops out of Syria and you think that pulling over 30,000 troops out of S. Korea is more probable?

Anonymous Longtime Lurker April 12, 2017 1:25 PM  

@12: "Having China deal with it will enhance their prestige, but we can live with that."

But Beijing does not want to be seen as the Trump Administration's cats paw, hence the now-you-see-it-now-you-don't Global Times article.

Blogger Elder Son April 12, 2017 1:30 PM  

Hilarious. Trump has a meeting with Xi, in which he proclaims:

“I was a little surprised, we had a great chemistry, not good, but great,” Trump said. “I liked him and he liked me a lot. That doesn’t mean we’re going to get along on trade or North Korea, but we had great chemistry.”

While at that meeting, Trump lobs 59 Cruise Missiles on a Syrian Air Base on dubious claims that Assad dropped Sarin Gas on civilians, of which only 23 missiles hit their target, more or less. Trump tells Xi, you better do something about N. Korea. Xi, as he is wont to do, shakes in his shoes, and proclaims, "Yes Mr. Trump." Xi walks out of the meeting thinking, "Gosh, I hope he doesn't lob Cruise Missiles at us."

Anyhow, Saker has a take on all this here: https://thesaker.is/a-multi-level-analysis-of-the-us-cruise-missile-attack-on-syria-and-its-consequences/

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2017 1:30 PM  

And the issue with China's claiming and building on those islands in the South China sea has also a role in the improbability of removing troops from S. Korea any time soon.

Anonymous Looking Glass April 12, 2017 1:32 PM  

@18 Longtime Lurker

NK is a buffering country for China. Something they'll demand. The problem is the current Kim is a rabid dog, where his father/grandfather were better at the role. China would much rather NK look like Vietnam and not the Prison-Camp State NK is. The DMZ becoming "not-the-DMZ" is actually in China's interest.

Plus they can make a deal to remove US troops from the Peninsula. Something the South Koreans would actually be pretty happy about as well. The NeoCons would HATE it. Part of why I hope it comes to pass. It probably wouldn't be until the 2nd term before it could happen, though.

Blogger pyrrhus April 12, 2017 1:32 PM  

Diplomacy could have accomplished the same deal, if Trump had been willing to de-militarize SK...Apparently, US still wants to waste billions on that boondoggle....

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 12, 2017 1:33 PM  

Well, China does that anyway with media it issues and then forbids/denies. It is geopolitical snapchat. Once NK saw the goods, the message was sent. No need to keep it posted just to invite scrutiny and Narrative.

China uses public channels as private messages frequently, and typically disappears the juicy ones.

Blogger pyrrhus April 12, 2017 1:33 PM  

@21 Yes, the Chinese can just put in a puppet regime and get rid of the nukes, or at least say they did, and all will be back to normal.

Blogger frigger611 April 12, 2017 1:33 PM  

I remember well the euphoria of election night, watching the 5th Column crumble before my eyes, their tears were so delicious.

I admit that the missile strike looked like another foray into ME entanglements, I was a bit vexed, but willing to be give the benefit of the doubt, be patient, following Vox's advice.

If this analysis pans out to be true, then I think the euphoria might return X 10. Somebody gonna need to make that man a cape.

Anonymous Grayman April 12, 2017 1:34 PM  

Bombing the Nork Nuke reactor seems like a bad idea regardless of who does it.... Thats not the sort of stuff you want to go spreading all over the place.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2017 1:34 PM  

@14. basementhomebrewer April 12, 2017 1:23 PM

Nobody gives a damn whether I voted for Trump. Some friends and family were aghast.

Some friends might give a damn whether I brew batch of beer, though.

Blogger James Dixon April 12, 2017 1:34 PM  

> And the issue with China's claiming and building on those islands in the South China sea has also a role in the improbability of removing troops from S. Korea any time soon.

You know, we haven't had a nuke test in years now. I wonder where there's an island we could use....

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 12, 2017 1:34 PM  

@19 Elder Son

Only 30 minutes late this time. Still room for improvement.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 12, 2017 1:36 PM  

@26
Bombing the Nork Nuke reactor seems like a bad idea regardless of who does it...

The IAF bombed Saddam's reactor in Iraq years ago with success.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 12, 2017 1:36 PM  

Yeah, right, pyrrhus. That is a far bloodier and complicated "solution" then simply asking the Chinese to handle it and recycling a small batch of old tomahawks in the process.

Anonymous Phrannque Brady April 12, 2017 1:36 PM  

But North Korea has SATELLITES the fly OVER THE USA several times a DAY!!!!
Trump's mistakes will lead to NUCLEAR WAR with Russia!!!!!
If you DISAGREE you are STUPID!!!!

Anonymous DirkH April 12, 2017 1:37 PM  

" It will also demonstrate that Trump not only is not controlled by the neocons, but that he doesn't need them at all."

For what could anyone NEED a Neocon? I never understood how these Commentary Magazine Trotzkists were able to worm themselves into the power structure for 3 or 4 administrations. Is it so that you have to publish a grand plan to destroy nations as a "think tank" and then you are automatically showered with praise, money and political power? Hey I guess I can do that, I'll just translate the Schlieffen plan, sounds better than working.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 12, 2017 1:38 PM  

@22 pyrrhus
Diplomacy could have accomplished the same deal, if Trump had been willing to de-militarize SK...

Good morning Rip Van Winkle, did you enjoy your nice 25 year long nap?

Blogger Old Ez April 12, 2017 1:39 PM  

If all the "ifs" turn out to be true, then great. My question is, what about the halo of statements from administration officials surrounding the attack to the effect that Assad must go? Was that all just window dressing? Or the neo-cons trying to roll an operational feint into a substantive strategic policy change? In that case, they were in dark about the real purpose of the attack? Hard to believe, but I'm open to being converted. I'll admit, if in two months KJU is gone by the hand of China and Assad is still in place with Syria in one piece, I will never criticize Trump on complex FP issues again because I will have been proven to be as informed as the average rube. I'm still skeptical though.

Blogger Gaiseric April 12, 2017 1:40 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:It is a total screw up, still. The only way to repair the damage is to totally pull out of Syria and put pressure on all outside parties to stop funding and arming Assad"s opposition. Then and only then will the Tomahawks will be forgotten/forgiven.

The Tomahawks was another of these uSA beating up on a small country that cannot do anything in return, except Russia.

I did not vote for Trump for him to do a "read my lips" about face, on domestic nor foreign issues.

We shall see.

Hardly. Now that he's done it and seen that the reaction wasn't good, he's even more completely and thoroughly denied the neocons relevancy, and given himself exactly the excuse to knock if off and pull out of the Middle East completely.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 12, 2017 1:40 PM  

@35 Old Ez
I'm still skeptical though.



Are you Concerned, too?

Anonymous Looking Glass April 12, 2017 1:41 PM  

@24 pyrrhus

NK's testing facilities are all in the North of NK. Fallout has a good chance to land all of parts of Manchuria. (Needs to be remembered that the Manchus are a Chinese minority with out-sized power.) That really seems to be what this is all about. It's also probably wise to point out that Beijing is between 350 and 500 miles from most of North Korea. Air-burst Nuke test probably drops fallout all the way to China's capital.

That's a massive way to piss off the ChiComs.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 12, 2017 1:43 PM  

Comprehend this: China has lost control of NK. They can't "just install" a new govt anymore...not without putting Beijing at risk of A 10 megaton nuke strike by Kim.

That is why:

A) China has been reluctant to act.
B) Needed Trump to show backbone and trust.
C) wants US support
D) Wants to be the one to clean up the mess.

Trump appears to be deftly pushing buttons that put America first.

Anonymous Looking Glass April 12, 2017 1:43 PM  

@33 DirkH

We stopped burning witches.

Blogger Whisker biscuit April 12, 2017 1:44 PM  

I miss the days of talking about the Wall.

I doubt we will get it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 12, 2017 1:44 PM  

DirkH wrote:Hey I guess I can do that, I'll just translate the Schlieffen plan, sounds better than working.

Try the Morgenthau plan. Lots more popular with the Neo-cons....

Anonymous basementhomebrewer April 12, 2017 1:45 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:And the issue with China's claiming and building on those islands in the South China sea has also a role in the improbability of removing troops from S. Korea any time soon.

We still have bases in Japan if we really think the threat of military response is going to do anything to deter China.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar April 12, 2017 1:45 PM  

The God-Emperor has ascended the world stage and crowned himself with a laurel wreath.

With any luck, Beijing will be forced to deal with their belligerent neighbor while we do no more than park our task force near one of our most favored trading partners.

I am very hopeful that this will ultimately result in reunification, and a Korea which is friendly to East and West. That is hoping for a lot- I know.

Any success here would give President Trump some serious prestige.

He could accomplish much with that sort of clout.

I think everyone should wait and see what China does now.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 12, 2017 1:47 PM  

Looking Glass, last months discoveries appear to indicate that NK now has effective delivery capability of some sort.

It isn't testing that needs shut down. It is delivery AND the government.

That is why all this is so urgent now. The NK has something new.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 12, 2017 1:48 PM  

The Chinese are probably asking the US to protect S Korea, using drones, ships guns and cruise missiles to locate and stomp flat any artillery that raises its head. Meanwhile they take will care of business in Pyongyang.

China and S Korea do a LOT of business. It wouldn't do to have that interrupted.

Anonymous Looking Glass April 12, 2017 1:49 PM  

@39 VFM #6306

Kim is assassinated, USA strikes certain Nuclear sites with our bombers out of Guam (likely dial-a-cruise missile) and China moves in to secure the capital. New Puppet installed. Trump eventually gets to sign a real Peace Deal to end Truman's War.

The tears of the NeoCons and Lefties will solve all droughts in the USA.

Only issue is the southern border Commanders NOT unleashing on South Korea. That's the only big key. Intel Services bearing huge bank accounts, anyone?

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 12, 2017 1:49 PM  

Wall's underway. What is to talk about, other than "Gee concern trolls are sure concerned about the wall?"

Anonymous Longtime Lurker April 12, 2017 1:50 PM  

@21: NoKo's aggressive behavior also ensures that Seoul will permit U.S. deployment of THAAD over Beijing's strong objections and despite its economic pressure on SoKo.

Blogger Lazarus April 12, 2017 1:51 PM  

I would just like to remind everyone that China started pressuring North Korea in line with UN sanctions back in April of 2016 and escalated the pressure in Feb. 2017.

It may have been Obama was reluctant to act in co-ordination with China during an election year, or Trump is just more action oriented.

That makes me think that the Syrian attack while Trump and Xi were meeting was actually more a message to Kim than Xi.

Either way, if it works Trump will be the Asia Pacific's new Best Friend.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2017 1:52 PM  

@26. Grayman

Those islands, at this point, are not a big issue. Yeah, it will not take much to get rid of them, a nuke, a tsunami, an earthquake. But the goal is not to start another sort of world war. Like it or not, Taiwan will come into play in an early conflict with China. More no good scenarios.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) April 12, 2017 1:55 PM  

11. Looking Glass April 12, 2017 1:18 PM
One ping, only.



that might be the Masterest stroke of all.

that Trump can crazy ivan the Crazy Ivan better than the Crazy Ivan can crazy ivan.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2017 1:57 PM  

@43. basementhomebrewer

Relying on Japan's bases only? I am sure they will love that!

Anonymous basementhomebrewer April 12, 2017 1:58 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:@14. basementhomebrewer April 12, 2017 1:23 PM

Nobody gives a damn whether I voted for Trump. Some friends and family were aghast.

Some friends might give a damn whether I brew batch of beer, though.


As long as you know what your doing, it's easy to make new friends and keep old friends happy through brewing.

Blogger SemiSpook37 April 12, 2017 2:00 PM  

VD, I'm in agreement that the strike on Syria, surgical as it was, was simply Trump's tell to Xi that he's willing to pull the proverbial trigger whenever necessary. It's no coincidence that the whole thing happened when it did last week.

You might have mentioned it before, but the one big thing that people seem to keep missing is that Trump is only a stepping stone towards our ultimate goal, which is the preservation of Western civilization. Now, there are folks here that will get all torqued up for a varying number of reasons with that statement, but if you think about it, it makes sense. Trump isn't an ideologue in the mold of recent American political tradition. Trump is for Trump, and that's all he's ever been.

The neocons are a non-issue. The talk about removing Assad is becoming more and more blustery by the hour. I don't see McMaster lasting the year if he keeps harping on Patreus' talking points in front of Trump for too much longer. Wasn't exactly a fan of Flynn, since he was technically a holdover from the previous administration, but when he screwed up, however minor the actual offense was, Trump didn't fuck around. That's what we want to see. Decisive leadership.

The leftist/SJW cabal are talking (and fighting) themselves into irrelevance. Their antics are the death throes of a group of (quite frankly) morons that could somewhat talk their way into power, but when given the opportunity to effect real, legitimate change, they fucked it up royally. There's no other way to say it. Having an unending shit fit because you didn't get your way never works out well in the end. People WILL ignore you. Just build a bridge and get over it already.

Now, will the endemic idiocy these jackasses foisted on the rest of us hold? Not looking that way, but it's still way too early to tell. I do have hope, for the first time in a long time. I think that's a positive development.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2017 2:01 PM  

God does want us to be happy ... even when the world seems to have gone mad.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 12, 2017 2:02 PM  

The strike on Syria was surely a clarifying moment for Putin.
"Ah, this American is different from the homosexual blackamoor, we can agree on some things. He won't back down? Good, good!"

Sure Putin's saying stuff. He's pretty much required to, it is expected from his own nationalists. None of those words mean nukes are about to start popping or Ukraine will be invaded.

Even a reputation for being unpredictable is a benefit, so long as that unpredictability is in support of American national interests. Call it "predictable unpredictability".

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 12, 2017 2:03 PM  

@56 Jaime in Texas
God does want us to be happy

Prove it.

Blogger VoodooJock April 12, 2017 2:03 PM  

China wants to be the big dog in that part of the world. Trump basically told them to start walking the walk instead of talking the talk and rein in Roan-ree Kim's kid. China's either got to pony up or risk losing face in the region.

This strikes me as something that has Mattis' fingerprints all over it. That guy is a hell of a student of war, and he's probably one of a few generals we have that actually understands Sun Tzu at a strategic and tactical level.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2017 2:04 PM  

Beer!

Anonymous Barnabas April 12, 2017 2:04 PM  

Only really makes sense if the CIA engineered the Syrian gas attack to coincide with Xi's visit.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2017 2:05 PM  

oh, and QED

Anonymous DissidentRight April 12, 2017 2:05 PM  

True, but complaining about the optics of the missile strike remains the right move until such a time as it is proved otherwise.

Blogger tz April 12, 2017 2:06 PM  

It depends if Trump replaces Bannon with Elliot Abrams.

My specific worry is that he is adding neocons and globalists to his brain trust instead of nationalists, and praising the former more than the latter. That is how it happened with Dubya, though I had zero hopes to begin with. Will some version of a Dick Cheney stove-pipe intelligence so there will be a series of attacks? The problem with justifying a one-off is that when worse things rear their ugly heads, as they will do, there will be an outcry over the beautiful babies now dead.

As to the N dimensional chess, I think Trump is getting Rooked - Most of the opposite side pieces are still on the board, but at some point Trump will only have a knight and a couple bishops left. The deep state has not gone away.

The reframes are nice, but as I mentioned, a "goodbye cruel world" on the part of North Korea is possible - Kim must remember Hussein, Mubarak, and Quadaffi. Playing nuclear chicken?

Iran isn't insane, nor are they as evil as they are constantly portrayed. Assad is protecting the Christians - even Egypt's leadership can't do that. If Trump wants to destroy every last trace of Christianity in the Middle East, there is no better way.

Now Congress isn't going to fund building the wall. And Obamacare, will it be repealed? It's nice Trump has had a PR bump. but that is not how I define "winning".

But there is one thing Trump could do that would make his base totally cheer. The debt ceiling or whatever it is expires on his 100th day in office. Veto the continuation, then defund Planned Parenthood, the Arts/Humanities/CPB, vitiate the EPA and the other overregulators. Trump can't impound appropriations (according to current law), but when they aren't funded he can decide which to fund, not Congress. He can implement his budget and more just by not signing one of those awful continuing resolutions (assuming they can get past the Freedom caucus and the Paul gang in the senate).

Blogger Cail Corishev April 12, 2017 2:06 PM  

If the US president had to bomb something in a foreign country just to convince a foreign leader that he should be taken seriously, we can blame our media for that. They're the ones who spent the last year telling the world that he shouldn't be taken seriously and you can't trust anything he says.

Or, maybe after the utter joke that was Obama, it was inevitable that the next president would have to prove himself.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 12, 2017 2:08 PM  

@39
Comprehend this: China has lost control of NK. They can't "just install" a new govt anymore...not without putting Beijing at risk of A 10 megaton nuke strike by Kim.


Quibble: I very much doubt anything in the 10 Megaton range, or any Megaton. Bigger than Fat Man, yeah.

Kim should still be sane enough to realize that popping off any nuclear or worse yet thermonuclear device over China will guarantee his own, personal, death with utter certainty. He seems to be enough of a narcissist that would effect him.

Anonymous Looking Glass April 12, 2017 2:10 PM  

@51 JaimeInTexas

It was literally missed during all of the news of last week, but Taiwan is putting out contracts for 8 of their own home-built Subs. Which, if active by 2020, means Taiwan is beyond China's control by military means. 8 Subs is enough to cause a famine in China by shutting down food imports.

@50 Lazarus

Syria was multiple levels. As Scott Adams put it, it was a "free punch". But there's something clearly going on with NK. They got something that's utterly unacceptable to even China. Which is why a Sub is the most "dangerous" from a lot of analysis points, but they clearly have a Warhead Design that works now. (Copy of Pakistan's?)

Part of re-establishing response criteria is probably a good remember that lobbing what looks like a Nuke at the USA is, within our military policy, grounds for a tactical nuclear strikes. China doesn't want us dropping nukes next door, either.

Blogger tz April 12, 2017 2:10 PM  

@30 it wasn't yet loaded with the nuclear fuel, so Iraq didn't glow (hey, didn't Cruz suggest that).
NK has three satellites orbiting with unknown payloads (I hope no deadman's switch on an EMP), and some other nuclear capability.

What Profiteth Trump if he gains the world but loses Seoul?

Anonymous Longtime Lurker April 12, 2017 2:11 PM  

@64: Obama's Chickens. Our Roost. Trump's Problem.

Anonymous RabidRatel April 12, 2017 2:12 PM  

I think all of Soros's trolls got trolled by Trump. Epic!

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl April 12, 2017 2:13 PM  

I believe your analysis of the situation is correct, Dark Lord.

Through your coverage of the God-Emperor's campaigns and Presidency so far, plus the actions he has done, Trump has shown himself to be a lateral strategist.

Trump attacking Syria could have been about many other things besides Syria.

But it reflects how he operates overall - throw a feint, and then go for his real target.

Anonymous Grayman April 12, 2017 2:15 PM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:@26

Bombing the Nork Nuke reactor seems like a bad idea regardless of who does it...

The IAF bombed Saddam's reactor in Iraq years ago with success.



Based on my own recollection as well as a quick check of the "googles" the Iraqi reactor was not fueled when it was hit. The NK reactor is fueled and operating, there could be some nasty consequences of bombing a critical reactor, including a meltdown.

Send the Chinese in, invade the facility and secure it.

Blogger tz April 12, 2017 2:16 PM  

@65 If Kim's own personal death or imprisonment is already certain (consider the Shah and Mubarak just moved to a luxury retirement, v.s. Quadaffi and Hussein), he will have nothing to lose - he will be dead anyway, so why not take as many with him? This is one of Sun Tzu's sayings that you need to leave a path of retreat or they will fight to the death.

Dictators have figured out that if you have nukes, America won't actually attack you for regime change even if they may bluster.

And while we're not looking, what is happening between India and Pakistan and Kasmir?

Anonymous SteveBannonsTaint April 12, 2017 2:16 PM  

I'm just not seeing it. Trump has brought on Gary Cohn as an advisor, and Trump just appointed a pro-amnesty open borders guy to run Customs and Border Patrol.

We continue to take in thousands of Muslim refugees and Trump has not pushed back against the courts.

And there hasn't been a peep on NAFTA renegotiation, nor H1B visa reform.

But of course, any criticism of Trump is met with "It's a chess move!" or personal attacks.

Blogger Dire Badger April 12, 2017 2:18 PM  

tz wrote:It depends if Trump replaces Bannon with Elliot Abrams.

My specific worry is that he is adding neocons and globalists to his brain trust instead of nationalists, and praising the former more than the latter. That is how it happened with Dubya, though I had zero hopes to begin with. Will some version of a Dick Cheney stove-pipe intelligence so there will be a series of attacks? The problem with justifying a one-off is that when worse things rear their ugly heads, as they will do, there will be an outcry over the beautiful babies now dead.


You should check scott adam's blog. Bannon's ouster seems to be pure A/B testing.

Blogger Dire Badger April 12, 2017 2:19 PM  

I am not tired of winning.

I am also not tired of saying "I told you so, motherfuckers!"

Anonymous Looking Glass April 12, 2017 2:19 PM  

You don't hit the reactor. You hit other aspects to the creation of the missiles. Rocket Engines are pretty hard to build. Taking out all of that tech will do some significant damage. Take out the launch pads.

Also, if we do strikes NK, expect us to knock their 3 satellites out of the sky if we think they're a threat. We established the ability to do that over a decade ago.

Blogger Some Guy April 12, 2017 2:20 PM  

"Do you think this is long game dealing with North Korea? It happened just before the talks with Xi and Trump loves to walk into a negotiation with controlled Chaos as the backdrop. This might be a political play to convince China that he is serious about military intervention."

This was my comment on your original post about this. Please understand, I don't think Trump is downplaying the importance of Syria. I think Trump wants to build safe zones for civilians in Syria so we can staunch the flow of refugees. Between this, extreme vetting, and the new executive order that will upheld by his new supreme court appointee, and some test version of walls going up just south of San Diego, I think we have the most complete form of immigration control I have ever seen in my lifetime.

Anonymous TLM April 12, 2017 2:24 PM  

The Trump cheerleading and ridiculous chess analogies is getting old. He f*cked up with the Syrian strike. It was the tremendous backlash from his base that has him saying "we won't go into Syria" today. It was not any grand master strategy.

His domestic agenda, the one he was elected on, is floundering bad, and getting worse. 88K more H1-B's on the way as of April 1st, showing no backbone on the muslim travel bans & they are still coming in by the 1,000's, no Hillary, Rice, Obama prosecutions (what's the hold up), Obama care still in place, etc etc etc.

That's not winning.

The NK thing has needed to be dealt with for some time so he gets a pass on that, but it's clear he's losing momentum quickly, and for a guy that won by bucking the trends and conventional wisdom of campaigning, I can't figure out what makes him think he'll get what he needs by playing the game through the system's rules in DC.

Anonymous crushlimbraw April 12, 2017 2:24 PM  

OK, it ain't Syria, but can you explain why Rex keeps up the incessant yammering about Assad having to go? Who is that supposed to impress?
Certainly not Putin!
And even if Assad was removed - then what?
Is this just one big 'wink-wink-nod' scenario with everyone play acting and faking outrage?

Blogger Whisker biscuit April 12, 2017 2:24 PM  

Bull.

One of his ((advisors)) just publicly stated the "wall" was figuritve language.

Being concerned about supporting a man for one specific cause and it not being fulfilled or even started is not "concern trolling".

Let's see proof that wall has begun..

Anonymous Grayman April 12, 2017 2:25 PM  

@30 and @67

A nuke on a deadman switch is much less of a concern then causing an operating reactor to meltdown, or even spreading the core over a large area. NK's nukes arent even particularly large, the estimates are 10 kilotons which is small in the grand scheme of nukes

There is a prescient book on this from 1980: Nuclear Power Plants as Weapons for the Enemy: An Unrecognized Military Peril,

Blogger David-2 April 12, 2017 2:25 PM  

"it will be seen as a brilliant grand strategic move on the God-Emperor's part"

And if true it will also demonstrate that it could have been accomplished any time in the past by any President given that they had no particular shortage of things they wanted to blow up. They just had a shortage of how to bring the power and integrity of the US to bear against China. Also a shortage of domestic political courage. Also balls.

Blogger kh123 April 12, 2017 2:28 PM  

@64 "...we can blame our media for that. They're the ones who spent the last year telling the world that he shouldn't be taken seriously and you can't trust anything he says."

This a thousand times over. Besides editorial-qua-news, the Legacy Media's only going to be good for prose poems and war from now on; foreign or domestic, it doesn't matter to them. Whatever breaks a boring day with man-bites-dog, Great White Defendant, societally destabilizing fodder for the narrative.

Throw them all into an industrial cement mixer along with the bones of Hearst, make a Mt. Rushmore-sized statue of a dinosaur being flushed down the toilet of history. I'd buy that for the third of my income being taxed annually.

Blogger Salt April 12, 2017 2:28 PM  

Xi met face to face with Trump and got the measure of the man. When was the last time China used language with North Korea like that?

Blogger ViciousCreep April 12, 2017 2:28 PM  

Now that is one heck of a reach. Acting in a manner indistinguishable from being easily duped by enemies in order to bluff China. Whew, full points for effort Vox.

Blogger Whisker biscuit April 12, 2017 2:29 PM  

It's all 25-D Parcheesi.

The alt-right is close to making a meme out of itself...

Anonymous Barnabas April 12, 2017 2:30 PM  

A problem with this 4D chess schtick is crowd of people in the administration calling for regime change in Syria. Either Trump is flip flopping on regime change or he is unwilling or unable to control his Neocon appointees.

Blogger frigger611 April 12, 2017 2:32 PM  

The best thing about Trump so far is that he is showing Americans what real leadership looks like. Poor youngsters who only got to see how Obama operated have no idea.

When something was difficult, Obama blamed Bush, hired a Czar to fix the problem, then went golfing. His administration was just a corrupt bunch of gangsters, raiding the treasury and lining their pockets, an assembled mocha mafia. His entire presidency was like watching the movie "Friday."

Truly fit the stereotype of "lazy" too well. And now he's worth $50 million.

I admire the founders who wrote about the privilege to serve their countrymen and God. Now getting elected to office is like a winning lottery ticket.

The only person who couldn't care less about winning a paltry $50 million is The GE, PDT!

Blogger ZhukovG April 12, 2017 2:32 PM  

Perhaps the missile attack was not a warning to China, but proof that we will act in support of China if necessary.

Also, the missile attack on Syria would be a lot less outrageous if the Syrians were in on it. I look at the picture of the burned up aircraft in their concrete and earth hanger and I don't see that as a missile strike by a 1000 pound warhead.

I see it as, "Private Ahmed, now that the Americans have finished destroying the sand dunes go torch those old planes we were going to scrap so it looks like something happened".

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar April 12, 2017 2:32 PM  

Regime change is a bargaining position.

Blogger Johnny April 12, 2017 2:33 PM  

Scott Adams: President Trump recently changed the frame. Now it’s not so much a problem between the United States and North Korea as it is a branding battle between China and the U.S., with North Korea being the less-important part of the equation.

It appears that Trump is doing the same thing with the Palestinians. Treating them as the least important, with Israel and the surrounding Arab neighbors as the real power. Smart move both ways and unfortunate that our previous presidents failed to do the same.

As for Syria, not so sure that was calculating.

And overall if we get half of what Trump claimed on the campaign trail we are well ahead, because with the other side it would have been nothing or worse.

Blogger Aleksander Pierchalski April 12, 2017 2:33 PM  

Whatever accommodation has been reached between the US and China over NK, I can guarantee that the Chinese were not intimidated into taking action by Trump's nonlethal "Red Wedding". Party battles within the CCP are a ruthless blood-sport, and firing 59 cruise missiles wouldn't push Premier Xi into capitulation. The most likely scenario involves highly beneficial trade concessions from the US. Throw in the fact that China has lost all it's influence in the NK government, and you have new calculations.

Blogger Javier April 12, 2017 2:34 PM  

Yep, he is in the hands of the Jews. The Saudis want assay out as well, the only guy fighting Isis. Now he says he is master strategist and bannon didn't help shit. He is on his way out to be changed by another globalist, none of his promises seem to be on their way, no wall, tax reform, Healthcare, shitskin immigration, it all keeps going as it was. I don't buy this bullshit chess anymore, he's love of the Jews will be his downfall

Anonymous Noyb April 12, 2017 2:35 PM  

Got a feeling Bannon won't be around much longer.

"Sort it out or I will" - yeah, as if he'll fire his daughter's husband. It won't be sorted. So he'll get rid of Bannon, which is playing right into the left's hands. Remember a month or so ago when they were saying 'President Bannon'. Trump doesn't want anyone to think he's not calling his own 'shots' - hurts his ego. Which is why he has came out and said 'I was winning long before Bannon!'.

Wish Ivanka would f*ck off. Had a look at her Twitter feed and she's talking about the 'gender wage gap'. FFS

Blogger JP April 12, 2017 2:37 PM  

I saw this posted on the chans. From what I could check out, it seemed accurate. Tl;dr it's been unofficial US/globalist policy to keep North Korea around since it's a menace to the Chinese. China liked them initially, but the nukes/rockets seem to have really pissed them off. Trump's move on this is a bit like Nixon earlier, allowing a diplomatic flip that wouldn't have been possible before. Maybe give him some negotiating room on trade?

http://disobedientmedia.com/what-hillarys-goldman-sachs-speeches-revealed-about-changing-tides-in-the-koreas/

Blogger Some Guy April 12, 2017 2:41 PM  

@Whisper

Syria is where a lot of refugees are coming from. How is it not in our best interests to set up a safe zone to keep refugees from coming here? I know you don't like him, but a lot of people in Washington are confused right now because they believe trump has changed. Then he comes out and says the opposite of what his "officials" say. Give him some time. We can judge him harshly at the next election.

As for the wall, 20 companies are submitting prototypes to go up just south of San Diego. Ignore Washington. Even Dran-O takes time to work through a clog. Tillerson will get reigned in if it's best for trump to do so. Otherwise, trump has a reason for letting him go on about regime change.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 12, 2017 2:41 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:Some friends might give a damn whether I brew batch of beer, though.
As Churchill said, talk-talk is better than war-war, and brew-drink is better than talk-talk.

Seriously, the world would be a better place if more people brewed beer.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 12, 2017 2:43 PM  

@71 Grayman

Send the Chinese in, invade the facility and secure it.


That's preferable to any strike by US forces, let alone Korean or Japanese forces. Perhaps Tokyo has been active in the background; China doesn't want the JSDF to become nuclear capable.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 12, 2017 2:47 PM  

@13

Keep cucking cuck.

Blogger Deadmau5 Patton April 12, 2017 2:48 PM  

@78 TLM, I'm skeptical, but you're taking it too far too fast. It's too easy to assume anything at this point.

As the cheerleader squad is prone to accept and justify too quickly, so can the doom and gloom "Trump is just a neocon" side be too quick to completely dismiss what might be a successful strategy in the long run.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2017 2:50 PM  

I am back. Just got off the phone with my Mom.

@99 Hahahahahaha New boy likes the word cuck!

Blogger Sam Lively April 12, 2017 2:52 PM  

Very encouraged that the march to escalation with Syria seems to be stalled, but as many others have pointed out, the more concerning trend is the globalist takeover of the brain trust. I think Steve Miller is the more important voice than Bannon in terms of the campaign, but Bannon is pretty much the only populist in the senior layer other than Sessions. His replacement by Cohn would likely be followed by the marginalization of Sessions.

At which point it's Trump's instincts vs. every single one of his close advisers.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2017 2:54 PM  

@66. Looking Glass

It elevates the game, no doubt. What kind of countermeasures China has? Can China drop microphones and implement other technologies to track those subs? Are the supersonic torpedoes for real?

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor April 12, 2017 2:55 PM  

@90 That's my feeling too. The goal in Syria is safe zones and repatriation of Syrians.

@80 I was supporting Trump for president even before he announced, and I've always assumed the wall was largely metaphorical. If you want illegals out of the country, the best way to do that is to remove the economic incentive for them to be here. Take away all of the gibs and crack down hard on identity theft. Jeff Sessions is doing the latter. There are sections of the border where physical barriers are appropriate and others where they make no sense at all.

Anonymous RabidRatel April 12, 2017 2:58 PM  

We are over the target! Getting lots of flack from concern trolls!

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2017 3:01 PM  

@84. Salt
N. Korea is China's buffer with uSA backed S. Korea. China tolerates the nut cases in N. Korea but China has its limits. N. Korea is as much a threat to S. Korea as it is to China.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2017 3:01 PM  

@105. RabidRatel
Another new boy?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 12, 2017 3:02 PM  

But Trump still doesn't care about Syria or see it in the national interest, he simply needed something to blow up in order to make it clear to Xi that he would actually follow through on his threats.

Isn't this just the Ledeen Doctrine?

Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business

Blogger Orville April 12, 2017 3:04 PM  

That is why all this is so urgent now. The NK has something new.

Four NORK underground tests with the most estimated at 6 to 9 KT range. These were most likely proof of concept tests and not the final bomb design. My guess is they likely have a few working bombs in the 100 to 300 Kt range. Certainly no H-bombs in the megaton range.

Based on that I'd be willing to bet that the NORK satellites are not nukes. Even if they were we most likely can take them out. We have a variety of ASAT solutions such as this from Infogalactic "On February 21, 2008, the U.S. Navy destroyed a malfunctioning U.S. spy satellite USA-193 using a ship-fired RIM-161 Standard Missile 3", and the X35B space plane that has been on orbit for two years is rumored to have ASAT capabilities.

Subs are the big fear. NORKs had about 50 subs disappear from ROK and Japan's sight a year or two ago. My guess is that there is intel that Lil'Kim has loaded a nuke each on several for suicide missions into a US port city. No launch needed, just sneak it in and light it off.

Anonymous Barnabas April 12, 2017 3:05 PM  

You don't need a damn safe zone if the war is over and the war was quite nearly over. A "safe zone" is bullshit double talk and would be nothing more than a staging area to overthrow Assad and to stage false flags against the Russians.

Anonymous Bio Cult Beam Delta April 12, 2017 3:07 PM  

The wall is non-negotiable. Stop cucking.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar April 12, 2017 3:13 PM  

@108 I don't believe it was a false flag and I don't believe this is a flash in the pan. This is his attempt to define his values and begin building his legacy. We should know soon enough whether there is evidence of Russian complicity by the results of this diplomacy.

I think Assad did do this to test the administration. And sometimes bullies should be thrown against a wall. Other times they should be held down and have a loogie dangled over their face.

I only hope he did not overreach with his request for assistance from China.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer April 12, 2017 3:15 PM  

Noah B The MacroAggressor wrote:@90 That's my feeling too. The goal in Syria is safe zones and repatriation of Syrians.

@80 I was supporting Trump for president even before he announced, and I've always assumed the wall was largely metaphorical. If you want illegals out of the country, the best way to do that is to remove the economic incentive for them to be here. Take away all of the gibs and crack down hard on identity theft. Jeff Sessions is doing the latter. There are sections of the border where physical barriers are appropriate and others where they make no sense at all.


Noticed the locals have taken to reporting every little deportation in the area including when the illegal arrived in the country. I think this is going to back fire on them. Mainly because the volume has been about 1 a week and all the illegals have been here for 10-15 years. I think this will backfire on them.

1.) It makes me ask why our process isn't catching more faster.

2.) It makes me question why it takes us so long to catch these long-time law breakers.

I am sure I am not the only one who is thinking this when hearing these reports.

Blogger FUCK GOOGLE April 12, 2017 3:18 PM  

It's really amazing how many people just DESPERATELY have to believe that Trump, despite his actions, is actually just another cuck waiting to happen just because they read some bullshit in the media.

How do people read shit about "OH NO BANNON IS OUT" "OH WAIT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN YET" 30 fucking times since the 2nd week of November AND STILL NOT UNDERSTAND TO TUNE THESE LIARS OUT?

If you are categorically incapable of understanding that the media, the deep state, and Trump's other various and sundry opponents will tell ANY lie to undermine him, and you need to disregard anything you hear from someone who isn't Donald Trump until the "rumored bad thing that will mean Trump has betrayed us" ACTUALLY HAPPENS.

People like JaimeInTexas make Chicken Little look like a stoic.

Anonymous User April 12, 2017 3:18 PM  

In a good deal both sides get upside. If this pans out Trump will have solved a problem three presidents couldn't

Anonymous Looking Glass April 12, 2017 3:20 PM  

@111 Cluebat Vanexodar

People don't realize China's currency is on the verge of collapse right now. It's over-valued massively. It's why they have such massive capital controls. No one wants to keep their money IN China right now. It's also the reason BTC went to the moon, as it was an easy transfer means that was almost untrackable.

Trump gets the top-tier Economic Analysis reports. Some of them are Classified. He's well aware of the total position the USA is in right now with regard to China. It's why he could play so nice with Xi. Trump had to say nothing, as they both understood the position. Even fainting at a Trade War has Trump all of the leverage he ever needed.

And China has agreed to a LOT in return. China is headed for a Japanese-style Lost Decade. They're working hard to avoid the collapse, but it's going to be really difficult for them.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor April 12, 2017 3:20 PM  

@112 Yep, we haven't had a president who's been serious about getting illegals out of the country since Eisenhower.

@110 Stop sperging. The point is to get illegals & undesirable immigrants out by whatever means are most effective, not to build a wall just for the sake of building a wall.

Anonymous BBGKB April 12, 2017 3:24 PM  

BigGaySteve's lightly clutched pearls has a brand new shipment in for springtime, visit us for all your lightly clutched pearl & bariatric feinting couch needs.

Blogger Nick April 12, 2017 3:26 PM  

How? What in the actual fuck are you even talking about? Do you even know? Or do you wait all day to say "Trump 12d chess man"

Blogger Nick S April 12, 2017 3:30 PM  

How crazy is KJ-u (see rule #1)? Batshit delusional crazy or just narcissistic power trip crazy? I'm going with the former. I'd wager the anticipation of setting off a mass murder nuke is giving him goosebumps. It might even be his preferred method of going out in style. We should tread carefully with this mission.

Blogger Deadmau5 Patton April 12, 2017 3:32 PM  

"People don't realize China's currency is on the verge of collapse right now."

If I had a dime for every currency collapse prediction I've heard....

Anonymous BBGKB April 12, 2017 3:34 PM  

If I had a dime for every currency collapse prediction I've heard....

If I had a pre 1965 dime, when it still had silver in it for every collapse prediction

Blogger Lovekraft April 12, 2017 3:34 PM  

Setting up the day Mecca is obliterated.

Blogger Deadmau5 Patton April 12, 2017 3:36 PM  

"I'd wager the anticipation of setting off a mass murder nuke is giving him goosebumps. It might even be his preferred method of going out in style. We should tread carefully with this mission."

With all the talk of strategy going on, I've been wondering how we'll effectively explain a million or so dead South Koreans if it comes to that. Assuming Kim Jong is as irrational and psychotic as widely believed, we may very well need to be thinking PR strategies more than anything else if we hope to retain any trust in the world.

Anonymous WaterBoy April 12, 2017 3:36 PM  

Grayman @71: "there could be some nasty consequences of bombing a critical reactor, including a meltdown"

Q: Where would the results of a China Syndrome in North Korea end up?
A: In D.C.

Blogger James Dixon April 12, 2017 3:45 PM  

> Let's see proof that wall has begun..

You mean something like prototypes being built? http://fox5sandiego.com/2017/04/11/border-wall-prototypes-to-be-built-this-summer/

> 2.) It makes me question why it takes us so long to catch these long-time law breakers.

Because nobody in the past four administrations has wanted them caught.

Blogger Esmar Tuek April 12, 2017 3:47 PM  

1. Amir Larijani April 12, 2017 1:07 PM
If you are correcrt, that would make it another case of Trump playing 12-D underwater chess.

Where did this billion dimensional chess meme come from?

He's playing a game more akin to poker

Anonymous glosoli April 12, 2017 3:47 PM  

In the New World Order, China, Russia (((et al))) will pull the strings. The US will be the poodle, as we see with current events.

A country like North Korea that decides to go its own way will simply not be allowed to exist. Its never caused a problem to major nations, neither did Iraq, nor Libya. They all fall.

What a world, when the US and China decide to work together to attack/threaten an independent nation, there is nowhere on earth to run.

It's clear as day to me, the New World Order is already here, and Trump is part of it.

Our way or the highway, next step for North Korea will be a BIS introduced central bank, and a usurious financial system.
(((They))) want the whole world, and they shall have it.

Anonymous Dack Thrombosis April 12, 2017 3:49 PM  

Remember Trump on the campaign trail saying he's going to protect the country and keep us safe.

Making sure North Korea never has a nuclear weapons program again strongly fits in with this promise. They can't get a nuke here yet, but it's going to happen at some point in the future. It's been heading in that direction for years, and the North has shown no signs of stopping on their own.

If Trump gets China to do the heavy lifting and there ends up being no nuclear weapons and no missile program? Without a single U.S. service member on the ground? You can put President Trump down as the greatest foreign policy president in decades, if not one of the top three of the entire history of the Republic. And it's been four months!

In the meantime, the cucks and paid trolls continue to scatter blackpills around like some sort of gay Hansel and Gretel. When was the last time the cucks were right? Have they ever been right? Ignore them and watch as the Donald lays waste to America's enemies without losing a single soldier's life.

Blogger Whisker biscuit April 12, 2017 3:52 PM  

Now the wall is metaphorical because we got duped by a reality show hotel tycoon that had lied, adultered, and wheeled n dealed his way through the Jew machine in NYC and the deplorables have to maintain face in the keyboard warrior show instead of admitting we got Jeb! 2.0.

At least Melanie has a nice ass.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 12, 2017 3:54 PM  

Either Trump is flip flopping on regime change or he is unwilling or unable to control his Neocon appointees.

Or he has more important things on his mind than reining in a bunch of people whose words are meaningless, since he's the one actually making the calls. He's going to need to deal with underlings who try to set their own contrary narratives at some point, but that's not necessarily as important as dealing with foreign leaders or signing Wall orders.

Anonymous Grayman April 12, 2017 3:57 PM  

@109 Orville

Their subs are diesel, so Im not sure how long they could loiter in US ports without being detected. The US also built extensive sonic networks to prevent the russians from doing exactly that The russians could still pull it off, but I'm not so sure about NK doing so. I think its more likely he hits an Asian city with a suicide nuke from a sub.

Anonymous krymneth April 12, 2017 3:57 PM  

Deadmau5 Patton wrote:With all the talk of strategy going on, I've been wondering how we'll effectively explain a million or so dead South Koreans if it comes to that.

If the "North Korea problem" had been taken care of 10 years ago, we wouldn't be seriously discussing who North Korea might nuke if they are attacked.

If something isn't done relatively soon, in 2027 they'll be wishing that Trump and China had had the balls to do something in 2017 instead of letting North Korea continue on until they had a fleet of ICBMs that can reach anywhere in the world.

A great deal of the problems facing the US right now, and in the international order, can be accurately describe as cans that were kicked down the road starting in the 1960s, and now we're out of road. Yes, solving these problems is going to be expensive, in every sense. But we collectively pissed away the more palatable options decades ago.

I'll count us lucky if we do something soon as it is; the old world order had pretty much decided, be it consciously or by default, to just hope to not be the ones in charge when one of North Korea or Iran or whoknows gets the right(/wrong) combination of people in to run a flawed game theory analysis in which one of them decides that the optimal move is to nuke something.

I would be unsurprised that in the next 5-10 years, as the world continues swinging nationalist and to the right, that it becomes acceptable international doctrine that an unstable regime that nobody trusts developing nuclear weapons is sufficient to override the current Westphalian idea of country sovereignty and that the international community will basically say "Anybody who wants to take that program out in toto is welcome to do so with any level of force they choose."

Blogger Ingot9455 April 12, 2017 3:58 PM  

@126 The 'nth-dimensional chess' meme comes from stuff democrat types said over and over again about Obama. That he was so brilliant he was bored by being President, that he was so far ahead of his rivals that it was like he was playing three-d chess eleven steps ahead or something. John Scalzi is at least one person who's propagated that meme on the Obama side.

That is why we mock it with discussions of God-Emperor Trump playing 13th dimensional underwater basket weaving chess-go. Even if his moves are not that complicated and have to do with relatively standard positioning, demonstrating strength, keeping commitments, and a technique of being slightly wrong on the surface while being absolutely correct on the substance thus to draw attention to the substance. It's so powerful compared to 8 years of Obama and 8 years of neoconnery before that that it has amazing results.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor April 12, 2017 3:59 PM  

"Or he has more important things on his mind than reining in a bunch of people whose words are meaningless..."

On top of that, their words act like a smokescreen for Trump. The media has no idea what he's up to & doesn't know whether to shit or go blind now. Their "Russian stooge" meme is rekt.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2017 4:01 PM  

@111. Cluebat Vanexodar

Hmmm. POTUS making the world safe for democracy ... again?

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2017 4:04 PM  

@113. FUCK GOOGLE April 12, 2017 3:18 PM

Another new boy?

I have been commenting based on what has ACTUALLY HAPPEN[S]ed.

"People like JaimeInTexas make Chicken Little look like a stoic."

Peep peep peep

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 12, 2017 4:05 PM  

Orville wrote:No launch needed, just sneak it in and light it off.
"Just"... You think our ports have no submarine defenses?

Whatta moron.

Anonymous Silly but True April 12, 2017 4:12 PM  

It is very real possibility that Trump will:
1. End the Korean War after 67 years.
2. End Iraq War after 14 years and return their missing WMDs the Syrians have been holdinf.
3. Get rid of Syria's chemical weapons Obama was confused about being gone.
4. Make Arabs and Jews have peace and grant the heirs of Ishmael a good deal of a new covenant with the GE, albeit even if not with his boss, Just G.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2017 4:12 PM  

Whether Bannon is a/the barometer to judge if Trump is backing off on some of the issues that got him elected, I do not know. But there is some kind of conflict between Bannon and [one or both] Kushner.

The issue is not rumor mill, it is a quote. Accurate, I do not knkow. I am trapped like everyone else by the means of getting most of the information. None here is a witness to most of these events. Maybe a couple may have access to a witness and be our secondary source of info.

What is being referred by "it" at the end of quote is the question at hand. Is it a policy or personality issue with Kushner(s)? Is the "it" an issue with Kushner(s) or someone else?

http://nypost.com/2017/04/11/trump-wont-definitively-say-he-still-backs-bannon/

“Steve is a good guy, but I told them to straighten it out or I will.”

Blogger Orville April 12, 2017 4:16 PM  

Point taken, but as Grayman said oriental ports such as Japan and ROK are more likely in that scenario. Or they can sit silent with the snorkel up hopefully in the path of a carrier group.

Blogger Esmar Tuek April 12, 2017 4:18 PM  

67. tz April 12, 2017 2:10 PM
@30 it wasn't yet loaded with the nuclear fuel, so Iraq didn't glow (hey, didn't Cruz suggest that).
NK has three satellites orbiting with unknown payloads (I hope no deadman's switch on an EMP), and some other nuclear capability.

What Profiteth Trump if he gains the world but loses Seoul?

If these satellites were a threat, they'd have been taken out by now

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 12, 2017 4:25 PM  

@140 Oroville
Or they can sit silent with the snorkel up hopefully in the path of a carrier group.

That snorkel can be seen with certain radars.

Anonymous subhunter April 12, 2017 4:26 PM  

VFM #6306 wrote:Looking Glass, last months discoveries appear to indicate that NK now has effective delivery capability of some sort.

It isn't testing that needs shut down. It is delivery AND the government.

That is why all this is so urgent now. The NK has something new.


As of August; sub launched ICBMs. The ultimate dead man's trigger.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 12, 2017 4:32 PM  

@143

Do the Norks have any subs newer than the 1960's?
I don't see how to retrofit those for any large missile.

Although if they did fit out one or two pigboats for a short range missile of 50 to 100 miles with a nuclear warhead, that would be more than enough to get the attention of both South Korea and Japan.

Blogger Some Guy April 12, 2017 4:37 PM  

@Whisper

"Now the wall is metaphorical because we got duped by a reality show hotel tycoon that had lied, adultered, and wheeled n dealed his way through the Jew machine in NYC and the deplorables have to maintain face in the keyboard warrior show instead of admitting we got Jeb! 2.0.

At least Melanie has a nice ass."

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/california/la-me-san-diego-border-wall-20170410-story.html

Blogger Elder Son April 12, 2017 4:48 PM  

Xi: Comrades… the Americans are swinging their dicks again. But this one has a penis pump. You know the drill. Been there, done that. Troops on the border. Loud noises to North Korea. Turn everything on and let them play in our back-yard, and let’s see how they play swing-the-dick. Considering our expansion in the S. China Sea, we may be able to gather some invaluable intel. And let’s all hope his penis pump doesn’t pop his ego.

http://globalbalita.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Xi-Jinping-and-Vladimir-Putin-toast-May-2014.jpg

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey April 12, 2017 4:50 PM  

@Looking Glass

That's huge if it works out. The US doesn't do diesel-electric anymore, and likely wouldn't risk China's ire, anyway. Germany builds excellent subs, but ditto with respect to China. Japan even more so. Taiwan has the industrial potential to build modern subs, of course, but not the experience, so that might be an optimistic timetable. We'll see.

Taiwan is probably more concerned with sinking troop transports than stopping food imports to China, but subs give you a lot of options.

Anonymous Grayman April 12, 2017 4:53 PM  

Ground, or water detonation of nukes is almost a waste, as the ground/water absorb most of the blast energy. If NK has even crude functional ICBM capability in its diesel subs then they could hypothetically get within 20 miles or so of a coastal city and launch a low altitude airburst (suicide strike), intentionally detonating during the launch phase.

Alternatively they could have the subs sit on the sea floor and use the subs themselves as "nuclear mines"

Its too bad Kim is so batshit crazy. He could call up china right now ask for a billion $ or so in return for walking away, handing the keys to china, and probably get it.

Anonymous CloseHauled April 12, 2017 5:04 PM  

Locate and be ready to sink all NK subs. A sub itself (with suicide crew) can be the delivery mechanism of a nuke (carried internally and detonated within sub when close enough to carrier or port of Japan or SLK).

Anonymous WaterBoy April 12, 2017 5:07 PM  

Esmar Tuek @141: "NK has three satellites orbiting with unknown payloads"

Could only confirm two in SATCAT (KMS 3-2, KMS 4). You have specifics for third?

Blogger Were-Puppy April 12, 2017 5:17 PM  

@32 Phrannque Brady
But North Korea has SATELLITES the fly OVER THE USA several times a DAY!!!!
Trump's mistakes will lead to NUCLEAR WAR with Russia!!!!!
If you DISAGREE you are STUPID!!!!
---

I looked
all around
a lousy cuck was all I found

well
you don't know what
we will find
why don't u come with me little cuck
on a magic copter ride

Anonymous Silly but True April 12, 2017 5:19 PM  

"Whether Bannon is a/the barometer to judge if Trump is backing off on some of the issues that got him elected..."

Scalia is replaced with Gorsuch.

Anyone following illegal immigration knows all the things going on daily. Sessions is upending everything there.

Transpacific trade is dead.

Global warming is dead.

Pipelines are back.

What the fuck else are the retards looking for? Honest question.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 12, 2017 5:21 PM  

Grayman wrote:Its too bad Kim is so batshit crazy. He could call up china right now ask for a billion $ or so in return for walking away, handing the keys to china, and probably get it.
Hell, I'm pretty sure the US would pay the bill without a moment's hesitation. Live under luxurious house arrest in Beijing, what's not to like?

Blogger Were-Puppy April 12, 2017 5:22 PM  

@35 Old Ez
If all the "ifs" turn out to be true, then great. My question is, what about the halo of statements from administration officials surrounding the attack to the effect that Assad must go?
---

That bugs me too. I'm going to roll with it. But oging forward I am suspicious of TRex, Nikki Hair, and McCuckster.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 12, 2017 5:23 PM  

What the fuck else are the retards looking for? Honest question.

Justification.

Anonymous Looking Glass April 12, 2017 5:23 PM  

@148 Grayman

He should ask for the Knicks. I'm fairly sure that would be an improvement for everyone involved.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/taiwan-announces-plan-build-own-submarines-065052340.html

First announced at the end of March, but they added some new News to it before Trump met with Xi.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39501621
http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/taiwan-to-build-eight-submarines

Looks like they want to lay down the first hull probably around 2020. That's a none small issue, as far as China is concerned.

http://38north.org/2016/12/sinpo111916/

Their submarines of any real value are on the Russia/Japan side of the country. Considering the area between Korea & Japan is heavily monitored, it's probably safe to say the problematic subs are still over there. Still, that puts them 500 miles from the coast of Japan.

Don't need a nuke to go that far if you can drop a sub 100 miles off the coastline of Japan, Russia, South Korea or China.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 12, 2017 5:25 PM  

Silly but True wrote:What the fuck else are the retards looking for?
They want a purge of Jews for positions of influence. Really, read their comments.
It was never promised and was never going to happen, but they think they can hold Trump hostage by withdrawing their support or some other stupid shit. And they'll come there to play out heir anxieties every day like the alt-Retards they are.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 12, 2017 5:26 PM  

Reactions in Sweden to terrorist attack:
Stockholm attack puts choke hold on tolerance

In Rinkeby metro station, Refa Jafari, a slight 23-year-old in a black baseball cap who came to Sweden as an unaccompanied minor from Afghanistan in 2010, stood handing out free SIM cards for a mobile operator.

"I will try to prove to Swedes that all people who have black hair are not Muslim and that all Muslims are not terrorists. We have been suffering the very same problem in our own countries," he said. "That is why we are here."


Exactly why they all need to go back. Exactly!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 12, 2017 5:29 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:But oging forward I am suspicious of TRex, Nikki Hair, and McCuckster.
As well you should be. I certainly am. As near as I can tell, Nikki was picked for the UN specifically to sideline her. Tillerson will probably be out by the end of the year, if he keeps shooting off his mouth.

Blogger S1AL April 12, 2017 5:29 PM  

Trump has 3.7 years or so left. On his first term. He's accomplished more than the last three presidents combined in terms of fixing problems.

But bitches gonna bitch.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 12, 2017 5:30 PM  

@51 JaimeInTexas

Like it or not, Taiwan will come into play in an early conflict with China. More no good scenarios.
---

I think Taiwan has already got an inkling of the future

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/1227688/taiwan-to-build-new-subs

Blogger tz April 12, 2017 5:35 PM  

@74 - it is what I'm afraid of. The blob, GOPe, and globalists will love it. Trump can get a 60% approval rating for a short time by turning into Hillary before everything collapses. A/B to which target audience? Removing Bannon will be seen as a betaryal barring a lot of wins for his base.

In other news, Trump just said NATO is no longer obsolete, but doesn't appear to be pushing hard on everyone to cough up their 2% of GDP. We should have an extra year dues in advance.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 12, 2017 5:36 PM  

Just saw this - live NATO press conference? Who knew?

https://www.infowars.com/live-trump-nato-press-conference-on-north-korea/

Anonymous Disciple of Kek April 12, 2017 5:41 PM  

Many political commentators I have been following, who are Trump supporters, were freaking out over the Syria incident. I don't want to give names here.

Not only did Vox dispel these cries for alarm, he also seems to have had forecast of the activity brewing around N. Korea. Personally, I was alarmed but wanted to wait. Seeing the Neocons happy, McMaster's potential plans, Kushner's rising influence... made me alarmed, but not discouraged. I'm glad I read multiple perspectives. Thanks Vox - your credibility will go up now, and for good reason.

Peace~
-Disciple of Kek

Anonymous Mathias April 12, 2017 5:43 PM  

@113,

Well, to be fair, not everyone is capable of being a stoic in the middle of an artillery barrage. And that's what this is, media-wise and Trump-wise. Both sides are firing off and the ordinance is still coming in, and the shill networks (both factions) seemed to have gotten their second wind this morning. No hope for the smoke to clear soon, and I think that how the actual players want it on both ends until something breaks. Sit tight and continue to standby, its gonna be a few sleepless nights politically.

Anonymous Silly but True April 12, 2017 5:44 PM  

I guess that's about right.

For those who thought Bannon was going to come in and purge government of the Jews, I guess they're basing such expectations on Bannon's prior successes?

How many Jews do they think Bannon purged on Seinfeld?

Anonymous Looking Glass April 12, 2017 5:48 PM  

@159 Snidely Whiplash

Haley was given the UN position I'm almost certain to pay off support from SC. They all wanted her gone, haha.

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 12, 2017 5:50 PM  

I do not think the "new" thing was more NK subs. We know they've had subs for a while. I think the new thing has something to do with what North Korea claims - legitimate mid-range delivery systems. The long-range stuff isn't necessary for who they've been preparing for since 2004 or so: China.

Kim Jong-Un knows very well that the US is a Me-So-sized stupidity in reality. However, all the bluster about hitting the US or Hawaii or whatever has been decent cover for trying to find leverage against China.

If NK could unify with ROK by dropping drone anthrax on the Chinese bases at the border and possibly delivering a nuclear message to Beijing, maybe that's both a way out and a way up for Kim. Obviously Kim doesn't want China sweeping in, but China is obviously afraid to sweep in - they have been for years, more than a decade since their relationship with NK went bad. Kim is assassinating family members now.

This is no longer a hostage situation. It is a power play, and NK is making the moves.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable April 12, 2017 5:52 PM  

They want a purge of Jews for positions of influence. Really, read their comments.

It was never promised and was never going to happen, but they think they can hold Trump hostage by withdrawing their support or some other stupid shit. And they'll come there to play out heir anxieties every day like the alt-Retards they are.


I'm thinking he'll successfully weather the loss of their 14 votes ... or at most 88.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 12, 2017 5:57 PM  

@73 @78

Crying about H1B visas?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-03/new-h-1b-guidelines-crack-down-on-computer-programmer-jobs

Blogger Were-Puppy April 12, 2017 5:58 PM  

@78 TLM
The Trump cheerleading and ridiculous chess analogies is getting old.
----

What's getting old is the endless whining about Trump that started as he rode down the escalator and declared his candidacy.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 12, 2017 6:04 PM  

This comment has been removed by the author.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 12, 2017 6:06 PM  

@165 Mathias
Well, to be fair, not everyone is capable of being a stoic in the middle of an artillery barrage. And that's what this is, media-wise and Trump-wise.

So you sat out the election entirely, or you are not even in the US.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 12, 2017 6:07 PM  

@80 Whisker biscuit
Being concerned about supporting a man for one specific cause and it not being fulfilled or even started is not "concern trolling".

Let's see proof that wall has begun..
---

I have been hearing a lot of buzz about this for maybe a week now. Enjoy

http://fox5sandiego.com/2017/04/11/border-wall-prototypes-to-be-built-this-summer/

http://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/investigations/more-than-30-az-companies-signal-interest-in-president-trumps-border-wall-project

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/500-companies-vying-build-border-wall/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/border-wall-contractors-brace-for-hostile-site/

Anonymous BBGKB April 12, 2017 6:15 PM  

Global warming is dead.

Its back to Global Cooling- NEXT ICE AGE UNLESS WE GIVE JEWS LOTS O'MONEY

Blogger Were-Puppy April 12, 2017 6:16 PM  

@92 Aleksander Pierchalski
The most likely scenario involves highly beneficial trade concessions from the US. Throw in the fact that China has lost all it's influence in the NK government, and you have new calculations.
---

The real war between US and China will involve trade. And I note they turned away Ronery ships full of coal and I heard Trump saying that we will be selling them coal.

China might be freaking over the proposal of a border tax on countries who are taxing us. I think it was in the interview on Fox Business where he said the tax should be called a reciprocal tax - if they are taxing us 100% we will do the same.

There are some serious negotiations going to happen in this regard.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 12, 2017 6:19 PM  

@171

Also tiresome is their selective memory, the bitching about Bannon being ousted by Kuschner being prima facia of this. It's already come out that the strike wasn't Kuschner's idea and that he sided with Bannon on being against more military intervention. So why people can still complain about the aforementioned and expect it to not be meet with ridicule is beyond me.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 12, 2017 6:20 PM  

@94 Noyb
Got a feeling Bannon won't be around much longer.
---

You're point about president Bannon is very weak sauce. Considering
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23presidentkushner&src=typd

According to your idea, now GE has to fire Kushner HAHAHAHAA

Blogger Buybuydandavis April 12, 2017 6:23 PM  

Syria and North Korea are similar problems. Trump took the smaller of the two first, which makes sense.

Regional annoyance that is a WMD proliferation problem with a Major Power backer. Make clear that the US will Do Something if Major Power doesn't get their client state in line. Invite Major Power to be constructive and partner to resolve situation.

It's just incredible to see what appears to be happening with NK. US-China cooperation for a smackdown. Perhaps regime change. US-China cooperation for global order would be yuge. I don't think anyone saw this coming. But it makes a whole lot of sense.

This is what a nationalist international order could look like. Major Powers get together to keep the minor lunatics from making a mess. China does China. US does US. Shared interest in peace and stability, leaving them to pursue different values.

Hope to see positive announcements for cooperation from US/Russia meetings. The apparent US rapprochement with China should motivate them.

Exciting times, potentially a positive revolution in the international order.

Tri-Dominium

Blogger Were-Puppy April 12, 2017 6:25 PM  

Can't resist making memes of Kim :P
https://i.imgflip.com/1n21zu.jpg

Anonymous Hrw-500 April 12, 2017 6:26 PM  

Just in case if the Google cache don't show the article anymore, it's saved on Archive.is https://archive.is/Xj3wV

Blogger Buybuydandavis April 12, 2017 6:28 PM  

Solaire Of Astora wrote:I also wonder if Trump's comments about being swayed by Ivanka's broken heart is not his own version of Nixon's mad man theory in action.


I think it's more "I care about girly feelings" signaling to appeal to those whom like such stuff.

"I feel your pain".

Blogger Buybuydandavis April 12, 2017 6:30 PM  

Napoleon 12pdr wrote:Having China deal with it will enhance their prestige, but we can live with that.

China increasing it's prestige by partnering with us is *good* for us. The Chinese don't have to be enemies. Or the Russians.

Blogger Robard April 12, 2017 6:32 PM  

A neat theory, but the problem is that it implies the chemical attack was Trump's idea. Most unlikely.

Blogger Buybuydandavis April 12, 2017 6:34 PM  

Longtime Lurker wrote:@12:

But Beijing does not want to be seen as the Trump Administration's cats paw, hence the now-you-see-it-now-you-don't Global Times article.


Let them take the lead and treat them with respect. Make them a partner with the US.

Lots of "we".

We should be doing the same thing with the Russians.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 12, 2017 6:39 PM  

@112 basementhomebrewer

1.) It makes me ask why our process isn't catching more faster.

2.) It makes me question why it takes us so long to catch these long-time law breakers.
---

I think this part of it has to do with the delays in Trump being able to get his people into position. There are apparently a huge amount of other appointments being delayed and slowed down - not cabinet level but all levels below that. So we have OHammed holdovers all over the place trying to prevent MAGA

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 12, 2017 6:43 PM  

@186
Trump said exactly this during an interview on Fox.

Blogger Buybuydandavis April 12, 2017 6:44 PM  

Old Ez wrote:If all the "ifs" turn out to be true, then great. My question is, what about the halo of statements from administration officials surrounding the attack to the effect that Assad must go?


Trump is always negotiating.

Regime change talk is pressure on Assad to straighten up and fly right. I don't think we particularly want Assad gone. Listen carefully to the talk and it is all about bad behavior. Change behavior, and we've got no problem with him.

We actually want to help him to get his country in order. With Russian help. The strategy may be to push him towards Russia and away from Iran.

A US threat would make him look more toward Russia for help.

Blogger Buybuydandavis April 12, 2017 6:57 PM  

VFM #6306 wrote:Comprehend this: China has lost control of NK. They can't "just install" a new govt anymore...not without putting Beijing at risk of A 10 megaton nuke strike by Kim.

That is why:

A) China has been reluctant to act.
B) Needed Trump to show backbone and trust.
C) wants US support
D) Wants to be the one to clean up the mess.

Trump appears to be deftly pushing buttons that put America first.


Interesting.

This could have been China's idea. Getting US assets involved can help, and shortcircuits NK using US retaliation for their attacks on SK as a threat against China action. If China wanted to do this, they needed to keep the US in the loop to avoid any potential confrontation.

Turning it into real cooperation is even better.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 12, 2017 7:11 PM  

Anyone wanting the official DoD company line on Syrian sarin Weaponsman has it

Blogger Cail Corishev April 12, 2017 7:24 PM  

Well, to be fair, not everyone is capable of being a stoic in the middle of an artillery barrage.

I'm not really sure why not. What does panicking accomplish? Especially panicking in blog comments, the most ephemeral of conversations.

Let's say President Trump suddenly turned out to be everything the NeverTrumpers claimed, and he dropped the Wall effort, proposed amnesty for illegals, appointed a squish to the Supreme Court, started up a couple new wars, etc. What would be the point of being the first blog commenter to point it out? To look smart? I think if that happened, there would be more important things to think about than whether this or that commenter turned on him immediately or waited a few days to be sure.

Some people act like it's a race, to be the first (or at least not the last) to jump on some new negative story about the president. I'm not sure they even know what they're racing for.

Blogger Cicatrizatic April 12, 2017 7:26 PM  

While Alt-Right Twitter continues its childish meltdown over the missile strike, as events unfold, Trump's overall approach is becoming clearer.

Trump never pledged to withdraw from the world stage. He did say no more nation building, no more un-winnable wars. But he also criticized Obama's indecisiveness, and he emphasized needing to decrease the burden that the US military bears in protecting various allies around the world.

Trump is pushing super-powers like Russia and China to take ownership of their regional problems.

Yes, Trump could have called into question the veracity of the gas attack claims. But it's more like him to utilize the event to make a move of his own (regardless of who is responsible for the gas attacks). Respond with a missile strike with at dinner with Xi. Send a message to both Russia and China that the US will not tolerate delay on festering issues like Syria and North Korea.

Ultimately Trump wants Russia and China to step up and to do a better job of stabilizing their regional problems. The missile strike was his way of goading both of them into doing it.

Anonymous Mathias April 12, 2017 7:30 PM  

@175,

I live in Texas, have for 30 years. And saying that this is a propaganda attack does not contradict the fact there have been similar attacks in the past. Which is why I'm a bit inured to the sky-is-falling rhetoric as it has been falling in waves in a 20-day cycle for at least 8 20-day periods now. And each time, when the smoke clears for a few days, Trump is on top somehow, and everyone is left gossiping about him like a bunch of envious schoolgirls. I'm getting rather used to it, but I have a fully developed brain stem. Anyone watching the guy knows he lives by the sort of political maneuvering that made the likes of Cao Cao infamous, always keeping things uncertain and fluid, making sure that no one around him knows what he is really thinking or doing, and playing this game with BOTH his friends and his enemies.

Who's side is he really on? You couldn't tell by appraising his recent behavior, and that is by design. It is the behavior of a man who makes sides, not a man who takes them. The question he asks is not "Who's side am I on?", it's "Who of you is with me?". Therefor, the real question of importance is, what are the goals and aims of Trump's faction? Are they in line with the goals and aims of Western Civilization? The answer to me is as simple as another question: Who do you think a really smart 70-year-old White guy, who grew up before political correctness was a thing, and probably seen and heard more racial antipathy before he was 20 then either of us have ever seen, considers to be "his people"? And what do you think that man wants for his people?

Blogger Unknown April 12, 2017 7:52 PM  

True. The God Emperor is no longer a troll, but a straw man the all trite war propheteer so very much wants to be real. Watch the Machiavellian gerrymanderer create his very own Team America marionette.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 12, 2017 7:58 PM  

@195 Mathias
I live in Texas, have for 30 years.

Oh, that explains why you don't know much about the geography of Texas and Oklahoma.

And saying that this is a propaganda attack does not contradict the fact there have been similar attacks in the past. Which is why I'm a bit inured to the sky-is-falling rhetoric as it has been falling in waves in a 20-day cycle for at least 8 20-day periods now.

That contradicts your previous statement about "artillery barrage", you know.

@193 Cail Corishev
Some people act like it's a race, to be the first (or at least not the last) to jump on some new negative story about the president. I'm not sure they even know what they're racing for.

They get to say "See! I was right! I told you so!" and prove their secret smarts are in fact smarter than anyone elses smarts. This is the coin of the Secret Kingdom.

Or they're being paid to spread FUD. Maybe both?

Blogger Were-Puppy April 12, 2017 8:03 PM  

@152 Silly but True
What the fuck else are the retards looking for? Honest question.
---

Their goal is to wreck morale and prevent anybody from celebrating the election of the GE

Blogger Frank Brady April 12, 2017 8:10 PM  

I supported Donald Trump from the very beginning and voted for him because we so desperately needed someone to "drain the swamp". It was very difficult for me to come to grips with the realization that the Trump administration is even more dishonest and dangerous than was Obama's, and that's a very high bar.

Today Foreign Minister Lavrov handed Secretary Tillerson his head as Kim Jong-un orders the immediate evacuation of 600,000 people from Pyong Yang and promises a "big event" for Thursday (tomorrow). The blind faith that so many of his supporters continue to express here in the face of multiple betrayals is unbelievable and would be charming were it not so lethal.

At least, they are not "concerned".

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents April 12, 2017 8:12 PM  

Oh, noes, more bad news about border control!

Trump administration moving quickly to build up nationwide deportation force says the Jeff Bezos blog.

The Trump administration is quickly identifying ways to assemble the nationwide deportation force that President Trump promised on the campaign trail as he railed against the dangers posed by illegal immigration.

An internal Department of Homeland Security assessment obtained by The Washington Post shows the agency has already found 33,000 more detention beds to house undocumented immigrants, opened discussions with dozens of local police forces that could be empowered with enforcement authority and identified where construction of Trump’s border wall could begin.

Administration officials said the plans are preliminary and have not been reviewed by senior DHS management, but the assessment offers a glimpse of the department’s behind-the-scenes planning to carry out the two executive orders Trump signed in January to boost deportations and strengthen border enforcement.

Too much winning here? Is it too much winning yet?

1 – 200 of 273 Newer› Newest»

Post a Comment

Rules of the blog
Please do not comment as "Anonymous". Comments by "Anonymous" will be spammed.

<< Home

Newer Posts Older Posts