Vox Popoli: The constant Right

Many former Donald Trump supporters have turned on the President after his decision to retaliate against the Assad regime for its chemical weapons attack.

Nigel Farage, Milo Yiannopoulos Katie Hopkins, right-wing vlogger Paul Joseph Watson, Ukip leader Paul Nuttall and Ukip donor Arron Banks are among the Trump supporters who have been disappointed by their hero.

Mr Farage said: "I am very surprised by this. I think a lot of Trump voters will be waking up this morning and scratching their heads and saying 'where will it all end?'

American right-wing commentator Ann Coulter, who campaigned for Donald Trump, wrote: "Those who wanted us meddling in the Middle East voted for other candidates.

"Trump campaigned on not getting involved in Mideast. Said it always helps our enemies & creates more refugees. Then he saw a picture on TV."

The Zman also took it rather hard:

Yesterday, the alt-right and even many seasoned geezers like me took a body blow when Trump abandoned everything he said over the last two years and embraced the idiocy of yet another war in the Middle East. Not only is he embracing the lunacy of the traitorous neocons, he is risking war with Russia. His “reason” for condemning himself to ruin is that his daughter got the sads over seeing pictures of dead kids in Syria. She takes to twitter over this latest agit-prop and in a day daddy is launching missiles at Assad.

The United States has no interest in Syria. There are no good guys to back. There’s no “solution” to what ails that part of the world, short of another flood. Syria is a mess because it is full of Syrians. The only sane policy is to make sure it remains full of Syrians. Let them kill each other there, not in Paris or Portland. If the Russians want to build their pipeline there and pay the price for it, good for them. If the Saudis want to stop them, best of luck with it. This is not an American problem. It is their problem. Let them own it.

For the record, I am totally opposed to US involvement in the Middle East. However, as a student of military history, I am also not inclined to leap to criticize strategy on the basis of a single limited tactical strike. War is coming, but not necessarily where everyone assumes it will be or at the behest, and in the interest, of the neocons.

That being said, I will certainly be disappointed if the God-Emperor makes regime change in Syria an objective of his administration, and I will continue to oppose any military involvement in the Middle East, Europe, the Ukraine, and any military activity directed against China or Russia.

But as long as he builds that big beautiful wall and keeps repatriating immigrants, I don't really care all that much one way or the other. Americans shouldn't worry overmuch about war abroad, they should be worrying more about the coming war at home.

Labels: #AltRight, war

381 Comments:

Timmy3 April 07, 2017 1:06 PM: Not sure who will defeat ISIS. I thought ISIS is the main problem. After ISIS is kicked out of Iraq, then will Syria be next or they will stay if Assad is deposed.
Ivaneus April 07, 2017 1:12 PM: Hear, hear.

I think this was the right move by Trump. Ideally he'll only need to flex some military muscles once or twice to convince our foreign opponents to bide their time while he focuses on domestic issues and immigrant inundation.

I won't worry about anything until he is saying we need to wipe out factions/entities (depose leader X, wipe out ISIS/L/Daesh etc.) and that we're deploying troops to do it. And I doubt we'll be seeing that happen anytime soon.
Derek Kite April 07, 2017 1:12 PM: The hard reality is that the migrant crisis comes from the failed states. That was the utter stupidity of the Obama strategy of knocking over Libya and Syria in the first place; where did they think the people would go?

That migrant crisis won't stop until there is a stalemate in Syria. Either side winning would create a flow of people, just different people.

That is another reason why destroying ISIS without a travel ban from the affected countries is a non starter.

There are not good options anymore. Simply the least worst.
Giraffe April 07, 2017 1:15 PM: Pushing Obamacare lite, bombing brown people. Couple of own goals after so much winning.
Nate April 07, 2017 1:15 PM: This is not confirmed... but I have been told by someone in a position to know that the missiles were not duds... they missed... and they missed because of russian GPS jamming equipment.

so basically the Russians used are heads-up to have a live action equipment test.
Snidely Whiplash April 07, 2017 1:17 PM: Derek Kite wrote:That was the utter stupidity of the Obama strategy of knocking over Libya and Syria in the first place; where did they think the people would go?
Europe, duh....
You seem to think that wasn't an intentional part of the plan.
Josh (the gayest thing here) April 07, 2017 1:18 PM: I won't worry about anything until he is saying we need to wipe out factions/entities (depose leader X, wipe out ISIS/L/Daesh etc.) and that we're deploying troops to do it. And I doubt we'll be seeing that happen anytime soon.

Trump has ramped up troop deployments to fight ISIS.
LES April 07, 2017 1:18 PM: Perhaps Trump is sending a message to Russia and China to not try to circumvent the US dollar.
Follow the money?
APL April 07, 2017 1:24 PM: Nate: "were not duds... they missed... and they missed because of russian GPS jamming equipment."

That's a rumour that's been going around for a while, the ability to hijak the navigation of the cruse missiles was attributed to Iran too.

I was of the opinion a cruise missile calculated its trajectory mostly by its own dead reckoning navigation.
TheLiberatorOfBados April 07, 2017 1:24 PM: #3. Yeah. Sundance (TCT) was pointing out last night after the brief from Trump that considering the timing of what has been going on this week, and WHO was at the White House at the time that the attack took place, it was Trump making multiple lines of posturing towards various factions at once.

The attack comes while the Chinese are there. Trump has also had multiple factions from the ME over from their respective countries that have suffered from destabilization in because of Obummer's shit foreign policy. It's possible that this "freedom alliance" as he calls it thinks it's necessary to get Assad out of power. The way Russia handled it seems to indicate they may have been complicit in the attack seeing as steps were taken to mitigate collateral damage.

This also stomps down on multiple vectors of criticism towards the Trump administration, because at the superficial level, this blows up the "muh Russia" narrative from the Legacy Media, shuts up the Neocons, and shows that Trump isn't afraid to take action or own that action....and that he will not openly TELEGRAPH that action....which is something he campaigned on. It also shows the Chinese and North Korea Trump isn't fucking around, and that he WILL act if need be. This just brings more leverage to the bargaining table in the future, i.e., nobody is going to think Trump is bluffing when he threatens military action so best try to stick to the diplomatic route.

I think people were WOEFULLY naive to think that Trump wouldn't have to get his hands dirty militarily, but at least now we got the actual military calling the shots and not a bunch of fucking bureaucrats. Of course some of these people are likely shills and trolls, so it's not a huge surprise that people are magically coming out of the woodwork to say how disappointed they are in Trump.

My opinion of the guy just continues to grow by the day.
CMV April 07, 2017 1:26 PM: In any case, he will still be BY FAR the lesser of two evils, regardless of whatever he may do with regards to Syria.

Crooked Hillary would have combined a similar hawkish foreign policy with a relentless domestic globalism with regards to immigration/trade and etc. At least with Trump, the wall may yet get built.
APL April 07, 2017 1:26 PM: Snidey Wiplash: "Europe, duh....
You seem to think that wasn't an intentional part of the plan."

Not just that, but it's exactly what Gaddafi told them would happen.
Elocutioner April 07, 2017 1:32 PM: I see an awful lot of summer soldiers jumping off the Trump Train and a bunch of neocons trying to jump on.
Nate April 07, 2017 1:32 PM: and this Russian ship... she's toting 8 kalibr missiles. I strongly suggest googling it. NATO codename for the Kalibr is "sizzler".

TL/DR version... that ship can take out our ships any time it wants. It can take a carrier out if they decide to... and there is nothing we can do about it.
Deadmau5 Patton April 07, 2017 1:37 PM: I wouldn't worry about war abroad except that I think there will be direct consequences from foreign wars at home.
Lucius Somesuch April 07, 2017 1:38 PM: "But as long as he builds that big beautiful wall and keeps repatriating immigrants, I don't really care all that much one way or the other. Americans shouldn't worry overmuch about war abroad, they should be worrying more about the coming war at home."

Unless Trump delivered a calculated feint of a punch in order to say, "See, I did something. See, I don't work for the Russians" then this strike (even if it doesn't escalate into further attacks or all-out war) betokens a President who is a very different man than we had figured-- a man led by mere impulse and sentimentality.

That is not the man I saw in so many campaign speeches, semi-extemporizing to such great effect on the ills of NeoCon leadership. That Trump showed terrific mental acuity, skepticism about the "received wisdom", and determination to do differently.

So I haven't abandoned hope in a larger, positive strategy. But if Trump truly believes in this "gas attack" business, if he is sentimental about "dead Syrian babies", then he is probably not a man who is going to build a real wall or put it to good use. If he really meant the attack, he'll probably take on more Syrian "refugees" too.
Ivaneus April 07, 2017 1:39 PM: @7 IIRC, and I usually do on this stuff, the "increased deployments" are mostly focused on cycling in more troops to Airbases and some additional "advisors." Clear continuation of the ramping up that Fumbles had already gotten in motion.

We are still not deploying line troops to go prosecute a shooting war. I should've clarified but that is where you run into an issue in my book. Continuing Fumble's policies has its own problems, but it shouldn't escalate much further than where we already are and it will be very easy to lower deployment numbers and de-escalate if required right now. But once line troops and armor starts deploying it becomes a whole 'nother kettle of fish.
Sam Lively April 07, 2017 1:39 PM: The Sessions appointment as AG is a good reason for greater optimism on the more important homefront, but if Syria marks the overthrow of the America First foreign policy (a reasonable interpretation given the widely reported marginalization of Bannon and elevation of Kushner to leadership in foreign policy), there's a blueprint for the neocons to pull the same game domestically.

A Kushner-Kelly front on immigration, both the moratorium and the border, could marginalize Sessions the same way Kushner/Mattis/McMaster did Bannon. Follow that up with a bipartisan amnesty drafted by Ryan and supported by Schumer and the coup is complete.

But Trump has swung on the pendulum before. Very possible that a return swing is in the works.
Nathanael April 07, 2017 1:40 PM: NeoCon foreign policy is a deal breaker.
Theproductofafineeduction April 07, 2017 1:44 PM: Here is a Russian drone video of the aftermath of the struck...all in all...underwhelming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FezZtcevxNE
DissidentRight April 07, 2017 1:46 PM: While the Dark Lord's logic is sound, it is absolutely necessary for the Real Right to (continue to) loudly voice its disapproval of all foreign interventions, no matter how seemingly minor. Because optics.
allyn71 April 07, 2017 1:47 PM: NeoCon foreign policy is a deal breaker.

+1 He was elected to destroy globalism. Domestically and abroad. Build the wall, Repeal Obamacare, restore the nation, stop the global policing.

This has potential to be his undoing.
John April 07, 2017 1:48 PM: Notice how the media has focused on Gorsuch and now the bombing has completely overshadowed Rice's crimes.
Aeoli Pera April 07, 2017 1:49 PM: Take the gold pill, oh faithless electorate.
Ron Winkleheimer April 07, 2017 1:50 PM: But as long as he builds that big beautiful wall and keeps repatriating immigrants, I don't really care all that much one way or the other. Americans shouldn't worry overmuch about war abroad, they should be worrying more about the coming war at home.

A couple of days ago I posted a list of things that I would like the god-emperor to accomplish on this blog that had 5 or 6 items on it. I stated that if he accomplished any two of those I would be happy. So far he has done pretty well on stopping illegal immigration, improving the business climate, and stopping the bleeding of jobs. So, I'm willing to give him some slack on bombing a Syrian air base. I don't want to see massive amounts of troops there and unlike McCain, I think he is able to see that all the factions over there are duplicitous pieces of shit.
Scintan April 07, 2017 1:50 PM: Americans shouldn't worry overmuch about war abroad, they should be worrying more about the coming war at home.

The first is part of the second.
Theproductofafineeduction April 07, 2017 1:50 PM: @16

Lucius, you do realize that companies have already put in bids for a wall do you not and that DHS is asking for prototypes to be built, right?

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2017/mar/23/san-diego-companies-finish-proposals-trumps-border/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/5/trumps-wall-wont-cover-entire-southwest-border-dhs/?utm_source=RSS_Feedutm_medium=RSS
Out of Nod April 07, 2017 1:52 PM: Oh we of little faith...

Vox is right. Let's give it time to wait and see how this maneuver plays out. World War III hasn't started yet.
Dilbert's Boy April 07, 2017 1:53 PM: It's shocking that some are shocked that Trump doesn't live up to campaign promises. He's been a political chameleon his entire life, basing action and words on what best benefits him. In the campaign he said what he thought would get him elected and those promises had nothing to do with what he believed or what was possible.

This will not be the last time his supporters express anguish over his "betrayal".
Koanic April 07, 2017 1:53 PM: I had a silly notion that maybe the jammed cruise missiles were actually deploying a gunshot detection net to pinpoint terrorist activity.

The real reason is way cooler, here's hoping. But there were a lot of reasons to do it. Like the prison cliche of beating someone to establish your rep.
Lovekraft April 07, 2017 1:56 PM: Most people fail to realize, being enlightened westerners, that the Middle East is ground zero of pure ethnic and religious hatred that goes back centuries.

So what is the westerner to do? Adopt this mentality and join the insanity, or neutralize them are the only two options. Their oil is a major elephant but it shouldn't mean buying it requires our blood.

So my position is to write the Middle East off. Unrepairable. Completely incompatible with northern Europeans (and many other groups, for that matter). And to shore up our own forces for the inevitable pushback.
Orville April 07, 2017 1:59 PM: Taleb explains this move as the "dagger next to the bed", and I think it is a very plausible explanation for the missile attack in regards to sending a non-verbal message to certain enemies.

https://medium.com/incerto/facta-non-verba-how-to-own-your-enemies-ea79a34c9c49
Lazarus April 07, 2017 1:59 PM: Ivaneus wrote:I won't worry about anything until he is saying we need to wipe out factions/entities (depose leader X, wipe out ISIS/L/Daesh etc.) and that we're deploying troops to do it. And I doubt we'll be seeing that happen anytime soon.

US troops have been in Syria for a while now. In February, there was talk of sending 4-5 thousand more for the siege of Raqqa.

From March 12

Syria's President Bashar al-Assad scoffed and questioned US actions in Syria, calling American troops deploying to the country "invaders" because he hadn't given permission for them to enter the country and saying there's been no "concrete action" from the Trump administration toward ISIS.
"Any foreign troops coming to Syria without our invitation or consultation or permission, they are invaders, whether they are American, Turkish, or any other one," Assad said.
"And we don't think this is going to help. What are they going to do? To fight ISIS? The Americans lost nearly every war. They lost in Iraq, they had to withdraw at the end. Even in Somalia, let alone Vietnam in the past and Afghanistan, your neighboring country. They didn't succeed anywhere they sent troops, they only create a mess; they are very good in creating problems and destroying, but they are very bad in finding solutions."
frigger611 April 07, 2017 1:59 PM: I'm betting most of us have mixed feelings on this whole thing. I feel mostly uneasy because John McCain is so goddam for it all. And if it had been done with coordination with Russia, then Russia would not make claims today that the airstrips were untouched, apparently gleeful that we are so incompetent.

I'm pretty much with Ann Coulter and ZMan so far, but Ivan Throne has a very good post on GAB describing a plausible long game.

And if it is a blunder, let's hope Trump learns in a heartbeat finally and irrevocably that the Deep State, the media, and sons-in-law are not to be trusted.
Theproductofafineeduction April 07, 2017 2:03 PM: Scott Adams take.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/159300836386/the-syrian-air-base-attack

TL:DR He thinks this is a false flag but Trump did the best possible move in this situation with lots of varying upsides in multiple political arenas and low downside risk of war with Russia.
Nate April 07, 2017 2:04 PM: "The real reason is way cooler, here's hoping. But there were a lot of reasons to do it. Like the prison cliche of beating someone to establish your rep. "

Nigel Farage is pissed off.

John McCain is happy.

'nuff said.
Mr.MantraMan April 07, 2017 2:04 PM: War is coming to our shores that is all the 27 year old war has accomplished.

Load your mags
praetorian April 07, 2017 2:07 PM: And why beholdest thou the heresy that is in thy brother's heart, but considerest not the heresy that is in thine own heart?

Praetorian, purge thyself.
Bodo Staron April 07, 2017 2:09 PM: Kushner firing shots at Bannon and Priebus. Once Bannon is out, you know what's going on.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/steve-bannon-fired-donald-trump-consider-reince-preibus-white-house-chief-of-staff-strategist-a7672171.html
A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 07, 2017 2:11 PM: Meanwhile Gorsuch was just confirmed to the US Supreme Court
Northern Refugee April 07, 2017 2:12 PM: If Trump is willing to betray his base over a bunch of sad pics because Ivanka, what makes you think he won't cuck on a wall when we see pics of mexican babies crying over their deported mama.
c0pperheaded April 07, 2017 2:12 PM: Nate wrote:"The real reason is way cooler, here's hoping. But there were a lot of reasons to do it. Like the prison cliche of beating someone to establish your rep. "

Nigel Farage is pissed off.

John McCain is happy.

'nuff said.

Exactly. I just hope the Russians haven't set off the Doomsday device.
Nate April 07, 2017 2:16 PM: "If Trump is willing to betray his base over a bunch of sad pics because Ivanka, what makes you think he won't cuck on a wall when we see pics of mexican babies crying over their deported mama."

Failure to Wall is an impeachable offense.
Koanic April 07, 2017 2:16 PM: "'nuff said."

Remember in the Godfather?

"You're out, Tom."
Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass April 07, 2017 2:17 PM: @9. They operate via GPS.

@15 right. A theoretical war with Syria = Syrian refugees.

@23 That's by design.
Mountain Man April 07, 2017 2:21 PM: "I think people were WOEFULLY naive to think that Trump wouldn't have to get his hands dirty militarily, but at least now we got the actual military calling the shots and not a bunch of fucking bureaucrats.”

Oh - yeah that really puts me at ease. All will be bliss from here on - no doubt.
Theproductofafineeduction April 07, 2017 2:24 PM: @36

Come on Nate, your not a binary thinker so don't act like one.

@41
Because that's what they did during the entire election cycle and he didn't cuck out then when he was trying to win an election. So if the tactic didn't work when he was trying to get the carrot then why the fuck would it work when he already has said carrot.

I mean for fucks sake, people need to either nut up or shut up and sit in the corner. We are in a cold war for western civilization and not everything is going to go exactly how you want it at all times and we sometimes will be forced to short term shitty deals to try an accomplish larger aims. Only fucking cucks think it's somehow virtuous to fucking die on a hill but lose the war.
Northern Refugee April 07, 2017 2:25 PM: My biggest concern is (((Kushner))) sidelining Bannon. With Bannon out an Kushner in charge, it is the same old BS. No wall, no immigration restriction, BS wars and tax cuts.
Deadmau5 Patton April 07, 2017 2:27 PM: "We are in a cold war for western civilization "

Many are now questioning if Trump is on our side in this war. It's not about cucking, it's about decades of learning not to trust anyone powerful who claims to be with "us."
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aew51183 April 07, 2017 2:29 PM: "they missed"

Any substantiation of this aside from russian propaganda rags?
Scintan April 07, 2017 2:31 PM: Northern Refugee wrote:My biggest concern is (((Kushner))) sidelining Bannon. With Bannon out an Kushner in charge, it is the same old BS. No wall, no immigration restriction, BS wars and tax cuts.

Trump was never going to be the guy to reverse the direction of the train. His political positions precluded that, from day one. The best hope is that he slows it down, and lays the groundwork for a followup.
Snidely Whiplash April 07, 2017 2:32 PM: Northern Refugee wrote:With Bannon out an Kushner in charge, it is the same old BS.
What makes you think Bannon is out? I keep seeing this reported, but no substance.
Jack Amok April 07, 2017 2:34 PM: McCain being happy may have been a necessity of Gorsuch being confirmed.
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Northern Refugee April 07, 2017 2:37 PM: "What makes you think Bannon is out? I keep seeing this reported, but no substance."

The fact that we bombed syria shows Bannon of the way out. He would have pushed against this.
Grayman April 07, 2017 2:37 PM: Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass wrote:@9. They operate via GPS.

@15 right. A theoretical war with Syria = Syrian refugees.

@23 That's by design.

Most US cruise missiles also use inertial guidance so that jamming GPS will not significantly impact them.
Mountain Man April 07, 2017 2:37 PM: "I wouldn't worry about war abroad except that I think there will be direct consequences from foreign wars at home.”

Exactly... like the continuing grinding decline in our economy and crumbling infrastructure, spiraling inflation, more “refugees” from the ME being let in ( under humanitarian pretexts of course) and the inevitable bankruptcies of municipalities and states due to unsustainable legacy costs. What minuscule genuine profits and wealth that continue to be generated in this potmekin village economy - will go to fuel the war machine. Meanwhile the politically connected con-men line their greasy pockets.
What a shit show this country has become.
johnc April 07, 2017 2:37 PM: If you look at the past month in the aggregate you can get a feel for what is going on and where Trump is headed. Trump is abandoning his base in order to court the favor of the establishment and globalists. He probably feels this will help his overall approval ratings, smooth things out with Congress and the Deep State, and allow him to focus on things that really interest him, like business deals and deregulation.

The people and ideas that were close to Trump in the campaign have been marginalized. Look what came of "repeal and replace".

There is less Bannon and more Jared.

The Syrian strike is a symptom of a larger condition.

Nationalists will have to decide if they're willing to give Trump a pass as long as we get some tax cuts and better employment numbers, of if they're going to raise holy hell and demand that he either follow his campaign pledges or step down.
Noah B The MacroAggressor April 07, 2017 2:40 PM: As I understand it, modern cruise missiles are not only GPS based. They have fiber optic gyroscopes that provide a redundant guidance system input. Also, while all GPS receivers can be jammed, military GPS receivers can authenticate GPS/GNSS signals so that they are practically invulnerable to spoofing attacks of the kind that Iran attempted, provided the adversary doesn't have your key and the underlying cryptosystem is secure.

Of course, if signal authentication isn't enabled, then a device would be vulnerable to spoofing. I believe this was the case for the drones the Iranians captured.
Mountain Man April 07, 2017 2:40 PM: "McCain being happy may have been a necessity of Gorsuch being confirmed.’

Wow - this is a new low.
We are now at the point where we are placating a moth ball smelling geezer who probably wears Depends and has the level of mental sanity where he could probably hide his own eggs for an easter egg hunt.
Yeah - USA, USA USA !
Nate April 07, 2017 2:41 PM: "Any substantiation of this aside from russian propaganda rags?"

i don't know about online. I didn't hear it online. I heard it from a retired colonel that works as a contractor primarily on GPS related stuff.
Jim Scrummy April 07, 2017 2:41 PM: "Americans shouldn't worry overmuch about war abroad, they should be worrying more about the coming war at home."
-That's kind of where I am at these days. Regime change in Syria would be stupid. Just look how great Libya turned out, and others...
ZhukovG April 07, 2017 2:42 PM: Sometimes a person only has a choice between shitty options. Sometimes a person when making a choice totally fucks up. The GE is not immune to this.

When I voted for the GE I had no illusions that he would save our country from what is coming. I just hoped and continue to hope that he will delay the inevitable while maybe doing things to move the odds even more in our favor.

I prefer to wait and see how this shakes out.

Deo Vindice
dc.sunsets April 07, 2017 2:42 PM: Comments here remind me that there are no political solutions to problems created by politics.

I'm an ant, riding a leaf that floats on a wide river. The most enjoyable segment of that river was about 60 years ago, and while the surface still appears calm, I can see rocks of ever-larger size pass beneath my leaf, and I can hear the roar of rapids, if not a cataract, around one or a few bends ahead. But I am an ant, riding on a leaf. The river doesn't change its course for me.

None of us is apt to be very pleased by political processes now or ahead. Two steps forward will be lucky not be followed by two (or three) steps back.
Fisher April 07, 2017 2:43 PM: $50K USD says this goes full retard in short order.

I reserve the right to define both 'full retard' and 'short order' ex post facto.
Mountain Man April 07, 2017 2:44 PM: "Nationalists will have to decide if they're willing to give Trump a pass as long as we get some tax cuts and better employment numbers”

War has never once led to tax cuts or sustainable employment numbers. Its a giant racket that sucks the marrow out of the country. This desiccated hulk of a former country has no marrow left to feast upon. .
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dc.sunsets April 07, 2017 2:45 PM: Once again: NOTHING of substance can change until people stop ACTING like they believe resources are unlimited. Until then, people will demand all paths to Utopia be followed...because we can "afford" it.

When borrowing to spend no longer creates both a dollar of GDP cascadind through the economy and a second dollar of wealth (in a bond), then will the entire landscape change. Until then, SSDD.
Matamoros April 07, 2017 2:46 PM: I think that Trump sent the message to Putin, rather than Assad, telling him that further Russian incursions in Ukraine and the Baltics, broadening Russian military forces reach, etc., will not be countenanced.
a deplorable rubberducky April 07, 2017 2:47 PM: During the campaign Hillary Clinton repeatedly called for the imposition of a "no-fly zone" in Syria. And yesterday afternoon before the airstrikes she popped up making a speech and renewed the call for a "no-fly zone" imposed in Syria. Quite obviously this level of intervention in Syria is the objective of some of her paymasters. Ditto for neocons like John McCain.

So that's what Trump is facing, no doubt in Washington's inner sanctums pressure was coming probably for Trump to impose such a "no-fly zone". The limited airstrike against the Syrian airfield is most likely a compromise.

It has nothing to do with pictures of babies, or Ivanka's tweets. Ideally, Trump could have told them to go pound sand. But often that's just not possible.
Snidely Whiplash April 07, 2017 2:49 PM: Northern Refugee wrote:The fact that we bombed syria shows Bannon of the way out. He would have pushed against this.
In other words, nothing.
Got it.
Assad got Mossad'd April 07, 2017 2:50 PM: Trump cucked to ye olde neocons. just like you were kindly warned would happed, again and again and again...
Snidely Whiplash April 07, 2017 2:50 PM: Matamoros wrote:I think that Trump sent the message to Putin, rather than Assad, telling him that further Russian incursions in Ukraine and the Baltics, broadening Russian military forces reach, etc., will not be countenanced.
Your brothers in Ukraine are waiting for you to come and put on the uniform. Don't expect Uncle Sam to care.
Lucius Somesuch April 07, 2017 2:51 PM: "Lucius, you do realize that companies have already put in bids for a wall do you not and that DHS is asking for prototypes to be built, right?"

No sh!t, Sherlock. But it does little good to proceed with The Wall if meanwhile every Ahmed Dick Hairy gets ferried over here on a plane.

That is merely an if: IF Assad is left unmolested, then great things might still be possible.

But one more strike will toast any hope for Trump as a savior of Christendom. And for my part, aside from immivasions evils for America, I voted for Trump to save Europe too.

Good God, even if I were free to roam Home Depot sans mestizos, it would be nihilism to buy that comfort at the price of letting that lezbo golem in Moscow have her Pride Parades over the ashes of Putin.

The Wall, by itself, is not our salvation. Muzzling the Anne Applebaums and Louise Mensches and giving them a peaceful world that makes them miserable is our salvation. Those kinds of (((bitches))) have to be made to die on this hill, and without that all other vaunting is mere clucking.
Theproductofafineeduction April 07, 2017 2:51 PM: @49

No what I see is the resurgence for the penchant to wallow in despair at the first inkling things aren't going according to plan. The right is prone to it, and do it enough that Vox has even come out and said to fucking stop. Maybe it's just the way people on the right are wired but for fucking once don't do it.

We are less than 24 hrs from the event and people are already making grand prognostications about how Trump isn't on the right side; in my opinion confusing high intelligence with the ability to divine the truth from scant information. I also remember this happening before with Romney and then Pence, the same sort of despair and pearl clutching, and looked what happened it ended up being unwarranted.

Look at the facts, you have a president who put his entire reputation, and in my opinion, personal well being on the line by coming out and unequivocally say "put Americans first above all others." How many smears on his reputation has he suffered, how many hit pieces, how many threats to his empire how many actual attempts on his person by left wing nut jobs? The simple fact is Deadmau5, arithmetically, he has put more on the line in this fight than you, or me or most anyone else on this blog save Vox. He has earned our trust to actually wait on see. Now if he does really cuck up to the globalists and try to put troops on the ground, then I am with you, but one single strike, be it intentional or a fuck up, isn't going to do it for me. I don't expect perfection, I don't even expect an honorable fight, but I expect results. And if 7 people dying in Syria are what is needed to restore America in the grand scheme, then so fucking be it.
Salt April 07, 2017 2:52 PM: APL wrote:was of the opinion a cruise missile calculated its trajectory mostly by its own dead reckoning navigation.

They can also use ground mapping radar. GPS is not a requirement.
Aeoli Pera April 07, 2017 2:54 PM: Fisher wrote:$50K USD says this goes full retard in short order.

I reserve the right to define both 'full retard' and 'short order' ex post facto.

I'd do $20, so long as the money is held by a trusted third party via a cash.me account.
Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club April 07, 2017 2:55 PM: his daughter got the sads over seeing pictures of dead kids in Syria.

I seem to recall a great deal of swooning over the reverso-converso ("She's an 11!", "The first female president!") both pre- and post- election. My question is, why did anyone believe that she was any different than the feelz-obsessed limousine-liberal NYC cunts she's spent most of her life around (her Twatter sure seems to indicate that she is one, through and through)? If she has become Shewhomustneverbesad for her dad, than we're double-fucked.

I mean, I sure didn't vote against a dangerous cunt to be lead into disaster by another scared slash who wasn't even running for office.
Old Ez April 07, 2017 2:55 PM: So you're saying the wall is like the F-35?
Ironsides April 07, 2017 2:56 PM: This was no spur-of-the-moment decision. This was Pearl Harbor. Those two cruise missile destroyers didn't just teleport into position the instant Trump decided to attack.

Finding out where they were when the "gas attack" occurred would go a very long way towards proving whether it was a false flag. If they moved into position recently, or were on their way full steam ahead, when it happened -- then the destroyers were being put in place BEFORE the pretext.
Aeoli Pera April 07, 2017 2:57 PM: Better yet, loser donates $20 to Infogalactic.
11B April 07, 2017 2:57 PM: I am not ready to dump Trump. I really love the guy. But there is something I notice in some of the comments around the web in support of last night's strike that irks me.

Many Trumpers are saying they supported last night's action because, "we got our balls back". They contrasted it to the weakness displayed by Obama. They seemed thrilled that we launched weapons against someone, and whether or not the Syrian government was behind the gas attack was immaterial. All that matters is that we showed the world.

Why can't we have this same sort of spirit domestically? Why can't we "get our balls back" by taking on the cultural warriors? Why can't we "get our balls back" by enforcing our immigration laws? This list obviously goes on.

So it does irk me that it seems easier for conservatives or Trumpers to "get their balls back" by blowing up some Syrian soldiers halfway around the world, who were fighting ISIS and AQ, than to confront leftists/SJWs at home. That's telling about how much we really have been losing at home.
Aeoli Pera April 07, 2017 2:58 PM: Aeoli you are some kinda genius, and dead sexy to boot.
Mr.MantraMan April 07, 2017 2:58 PM: Enough of hearing about Ivanka's feels, that makes GE sound like doofus.
Theproductofafineeduction April 07, 2017 2:58 PM: @75

The Pentagon reports that what happened was the full extent of our actions. Yes Cernovich is saying he is hearing "we are going to war" from his military contacts and it is concerning but I heard the same thing from my friends in the Marines about getting ready for a deployment to an undisclosed location, which they all thought meant Syria, a year and half ago and it didn't happen. Until I hear firmer information about potential action then I am not going to change. You cannot fucking extrapolate from a single god dammed data point.
Fisher April 07, 2017 2:59 PM: On April 6, 1917, two days after the U.S. Senate votes 82 to 6 to declare war against Germany, the U.S. House of Representatives endorses the decision by a vote of 373 to 50, and the United States formally enters the First World War.

/numerology faggotry
ZhukovG April 07, 2017 3:00 PM: @Ironsides: They may have been in position as part of a normal rotation. We keep a carrier battlegroup or two in the Med pretty much all the time.
Achilles April 07, 2017 3:03 PM: I just want to know what happened to America First.
Ingot9455 April 07, 2017 3:06 PM: @60 I was led to believe that the Iranian drone jamming was simple jamming. Without GPS, those relatively-dumb, no-second-system drones went into their automatic mode, where they just take a wide, lazy circle while they try to get a signal. Eventually they ran out of fuel and glided to a crash, whereupon the Iranians picked them up and did a little dance.

No super-spoofing or encryption-cracking required.
Ironsides April 07, 2017 3:06 PM: ZhukovG wrote:@Ironsides: They may have been in position as part of a normal rotation. We keep a carrier battlegroup or two in the Med pretty much all the time.

Quite true; I'm just curious if, say, they spent a months near Malta, then, 2 days before the "gas attack," steamed to the position from which they launched.

On the other hand, they may have been hanging around the area for weeks or months "just in case."

Be interesting to know, though.
Beefy Levinson April 07, 2017 3:07 PM: If he builds the wall and sends them back, he can glass Syria for all I care.
seeingsights April 07, 2017 3:08 PM: If Trump doesn't nothing further against the Assad regime, then I will feel comfortable. Hopefully this strike by Trump is just to butter up the neocons and to put countries like China on notice.
JaimeInTexas April 07, 2017 3:12 PM: As someone wrote back in mid 1860s,paraphrasing: consolidating into one nation will make it aggressive abroad and despotic at home and will bring ruin.

All our military conflicts affects the home front.
Noah B The MacroAggressor April 07, 2017 3:12 PM: @90 It makes sense that a surveillance drone would behave that way. OTOH I'd expect a cruise missile to keep going straight for its target.
tz April 07, 2017 3:14 PM: There now can be a series of "dead children" pictures an Trump will be expected to respond to each one (unless it is Palestinian children). What happens if dozens of Ukranian children show up dead from "a Russian attack".

Or what about those undercover Planned Parenthood videos showing far more dead babies. I'd support Trump using Tomahawk missles to destroy them, or to do more regime change on the Supreme Court, but he won't do that. Only dead children in ISIS/AlQueda anti-American terrorist areas matter.

The risk is that all the laudatory comments can flip immediately if he doesn't continue doing so when the next atrocity happens.
JaimeInTexas April 07, 2017 3:14 PM: To end the Syrian emigration:
1) Do not let them immigrate,
2) Take our soldiers out out,
3) Quit funding the opposition to Assad,
4) Tell Turkey, the Saudis, and Gulf States to quit funding Assad opposition.
It will cost nothing.
johnc April 07, 2017 3:15 PM: Until I hear firmer information about potential action then I am not going to change.

On the other hand, if you wait until you hear firmer information it might be too late to do anything about it. If people were to cause a huge ruckus now and make their voices heard loud and clear, you might actually be able to prevent a mistake.

If you sit back passively with silent approval, you'll get steamrolled.

If you want to know how to win politically, just look to the left. Even when they lose they manage to pull the country in their direction.
Theproductofafineeduction April 07, 2017 3:20 PM: @98

Keep in mind John I am not saying people shouldn't speak up and say "getting militarily involved in the Mideast is a bad idea." or "I don't war in the Mideast." I've said the same on forums and twitter, that isn't what I am objecting too. What I am objecting to is people gnashing their teeth, falling to their knees, and crying out how Trump betrayed us, it's over, he's a tool the neocons or being fooled by his daughter; i.e the immediate jump to despair.
johnc April 07, 2017 3:20 PM: The driving purpose of the "Russia election meddling" narrative was not to delegitimatize Trump's presidency or threaten an impeachment. Those are just extra credit / bonus points. The primary intention was to prevent Trump from developing good relations between the US and Russia. The globalists won this fight. With the Syrian strike, a US-Russia friendship is practically off the table.

This is why John McCain is stroking his dick right now.
Ransom Smith April 07, 2017 3:22 PM: Has anyone else heard the rumor going around that Assad had lost control of his Air Force? I can't remember where I saw it. Nassim Taleb maybe? But basically the theory was that Iran had co-opted his Air Force, and that it's possible he's losing control of his forces.
VFM #7634 April 07, 2017 3:22 PM: Kushner firing shots at Bannon and Priebus. Once Bannon is out, you know what's going on.

@39 Bodo Staron
Bannon is not out. However, he is a third rail for me. If that filthy Lubavitcher (((Kushner))) ever does squeeze out Bannon, I'm off the Trump train. But not until then.
Last Redoubt April 07, 2017 3:22 PM: @10. LiberatorOfBados

This also stomps down on multiple vectors of criticism towards the Trump administration, because at the superficial level, this blows up the "muh Russia" narrative from the Legacy Media,

I can confirm that at least among _some_ of the anti-trump left/SJW crowd that they've suddenly decided maybe he's not a russian plant. Though some of course think it's just to pretend he's not and make us believe he's not.

FWIW - several pro-refugee types have also said something along teh lines of "he's actually human and may care a bit."
BBGKB April 07, 2017 3:22 PM: Don't forget the US killed people with gas at WACO https://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/08/mike-holmes/the-us-uses-gas-to-kill-civilians/

The fact that we bombed syria shows Bannon of the way out. He would have pushed against this.

He would have invited the people on the base to the local Piggly Wiggly for a BBQ so only moslems stayed to guard.

$50K USD says this goes full retard in short order.

I believe that as much as last nights Chicongo Med where a smart black doctor gaye away $40,000 for the good of the hospital. What kind of Podunk ER are they running that doesn't have an old X-Ray C Arm for the orthopods that they could have used when computers went down? They could have had a fat niglet nurse say "i might be pregnant there only be 3 walls between me and da machine"
Theproductofafineeduction April 07, 2017 3:25 PM: @102

Now if Trump dumps Bannon, that would be cause for concern.
swiftfoxmark2 April 07, 2017 3:26 PM: Maybe President Trump shouldn't listen to his Jewish daughter when it comes to Middle East policy. She might have a bias there....
Michael Neal April 07, 2017 3:38 PM: Trump lost my support, he could possibly earn my trust back but until then I'm not going to waste my time defending him and supporting his efforts. Got other things I can focus on.
Resident Moron™ April 07, 2017 3:38 PM: swiftfoxmark2 wrote:Maybe President Trump shouldn't listen to his Jewish daughter when it comes to Middle East policy. She might have a bias there....

It's really irrelevant. He said openly and consistently he's the best friend Israel ever had.

It's not her sentiments that are of concern where Israel is concerned, it's his.

But he also said his friendship doesn't mean he wants to be eternally indebted through paying them a stipend for breathing.

So ... time will tell.
bosscauser April 07, 2017 3:42 PM: Crazy fat kid in Korea who threatened 30 thousand of our kids with NUKES just headed for the tall grass.
China president shit a brick!

No sunshine patriots will ever overcome the elites....

https://gab.ai/GaryCauser
Lucius Somesuch April 07, 2017 3:42 PM: "Until I hear firmer information about potential action then I am not going to change. You cannot fucking extrapolate from a single god dammed data point."

fineeducation, you are shrilly AMOGing on hardcore Trump supporters at a juncture where very near-term events may prove the issue one way or another.

I have studiously and charitably set out conditions whereby the President may be exculpated from wrongdoing, which I hope will prove the case--

--but tjis situation has advanced beyond the point where it is helpful to rah-rah for Trump unconditionally. Even if Trump and Putin are sharing laughs over the phone about this, it is entirely correct to point out that bombing Assad presents at least the real appearance of evil.

And if Trump genuinely got Ivankaed, then we simply must raise our voices in consternation and salvage what we can by forcing his hand to do things, like pass Cotton-Purdue instead of RyanSociety programs. The time for hagiography will, in spite of all his wit and once-apparent wisdom, be finished.
Dire Badger April 07, 2017 3:44 PM: 1. The pinpoint nature of the strike.
2. The 'disappearing' cruise missiles and the cruise missiles that didn't contain payloads.
3. The timing (or did you not notice that trump was talking to the chinese about the Norks just as it happened?)
4. The public transparency of the launch itself. You do not get footage from a launch unless you are INTENDED to get such footage... especially not from thirty feet away.
5. The fact that it was 'ready to go' in three days when it typically takes between a week and a month to set up an event like this (I spent 18 years as an FC, I know EXACTLY what it takes to set up a cruise missile action)
6. The fact that the Russians, and therefore the Syrians, were alerted BEFORE the strike so that they could move people off the base.
7. Any casualties occurred because the Syrians insisted it was a bluff.
8. The Media cycle that was already starting to juxtapose gassed kids with illegal immigrants.
9. The fact that of all CBR attacks, Chemical attacks are by far the most dangerous to our country. Chemical weapons are easily smuggled, easily transported, easily assembled (compared to nukes and explosives) and are, in fact, the most dangerous weapon for an Islamic or dictatorial Horror regime to possess.
10. The utter lack of response from the S-300 and Bastion air cover that was ENERGIZED at the time of the launch.
11. The incredibly minor amount of destruction caused by cruise missiles that could have easily turned the entire region into a superheated crater.

This was a demonstration, not an attack, and a highly effective one at that.. and a complete checkmate as far as demonstrations are concerned. At the same time, it drew media attention from his gutting the H-1B program and checkmated the media itself, PLUS it was a highly effective way of letting both Assad and Kim know that THIS year, this country is not going to be drawing lines in the sand and then backing up when they are stepped across.

BTW, Men of the west appears to be heavily liberzionist converged already, no longer worth reading.
Nate April 07, 2017 3:46 PM: "BTW, Men of the west appears to be heavily liberzionist converged already, no longer worth reading."

really.

Based on what?
Katt Brenner April 07, 2017 3:46 PM: Tillerson JUST said we are going to deposed Assad.
bill #80 April 07, 2017 3:48 PM: This 2011 video of Donald Trump saying he wanted to take out Muammar Gaddafi for humanitarian reasons might give a clue to what he's currently up to:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/trump-says-removing-gaddafi-was-mistake-but-pushed-for-libya?utm_term=.ryEPjZPBQ#.so95xK58X

The Trump video was discussed in a debate too:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/26/cruz-is-correct-trump-supported-hillarys-libya-debacle/

I noticed, however, that he said the following during the debate, "We would be so much better off if Gadhafi were in charge right now.". Just maybe he learned from the Libya mess and consequently won't take out Bashar al-Assad.
frigger611 April 07, 2017 3:50 PM: 65 dc sunsets

I recall Wash (in Serenity) saying "I am a leaf on the wind - watch me...ARRRGGGHHH!!" right as he got impaled by some giant Reaver projectile thingy.

So what you're saying with your ant on a leaf on the river parable is - I still have a chance!
Fisher April 07, 2017 3:51 PM: Aeoli Pera wrote:Aeoli you are some kinda genius, and dead sexy to boot.

No homo.
Robert Divinity April 07, 2017 3:52 PM: Americans shouldn't worry overmuch about war abroad, they should be worrying more about the coming war at home.

The two are intrinsically linked, of course, as Plato reminded us in "The Republic." As republics transition into tyranny war abroad is the ultimate bread and circus to forestall the upcoming domestic conflict. You are right about the one that merits attention, so all else is distraction.

If Trump fails to deliver on the Wall and curtailing immigration, I'll transition from irritation to opposition. Only then, though.
Robert Divinity April 07, 2017 3:54 PM: Just maybe he learned from the Libya mess and consequently won't take out Bashar al-Assad.

No doubt true as to Trump, but questionable about some in his inner circle.
Katt Brenner April 07, 2017 3:57 PM: With Trumo, we'll spend billions on a wall, and he will CAVE to a judge who says 'you HAVE to let all these people in.'
Rabbi B April 07, 2017 4:05 PM: @111 Dire Badger

"BTW, Men of the west appears to be heavily liberzionist converged already, no longer worth reading."

It's not our fault you're illiterate.
Ironsides April 07, 2017 4:06 PM: As I just said on another site, is this a horse trading arrangement between Trump and the Swamp?

Trump gets something, the Swamp gets something

Gorsuch is confirmed, Trump launches cruise missiles at Assad. The Wall moves ahead, a division is sent to Syria. Sanctuary cities are defunded, the corporate tax rate is cut to 0%. Etc., etc.
dc.sunsets April 07, 2017 4:08 PM: @115 Don't go Full Whedon on us. Never go Full Whedon.

My point is to try to tell myself to stop getting all lathered up about all this crap.
1. I have no idea what's real and what's Memorex.
2. Even if I did, I have no say.
3. I'm not going anywhere, no matter what happens. My family is extending Right Here. Here we live, here we'll probably die. I'd just like that to be after long, happy, natural lives, peacefully in our sleep, after leaving a growing dynasty of descendants.

Time to get back to my Friday chores.
aegis-1080 April 07, 2017 4:08 PM: Well, what is the angle? An angle right now is that the lefties are in shambles. They put all their chips on "the evil Drumpf will be impeached for being a Manchurian candidate for Putin" and now they are tied to a possible proxy war with Russia and have to 100% support Trump on it. After working themselves in a franzy, THAT took the wind of their sails, since now they can't say that they are against a possible war and this comes right after Gorsuch getting confirmed.

Hell, the Cunt herself was talking about a no-fly zone the night right before the strike.

Another angle, is that Trump ordered the strike right in front of Xi's face in a dinner in Mar-a-lago. Would love to see the expression of that smug bastard trying to contain his shock.

Yet another angle is the obvious and bitter observation: If the chemical weapon attack did came from Assad or, more likely, one of his subjects, (pointless barbarianism from the ME? Say it ain't so!), Trump can't afford to look weak after offering Assad a break and getting spat on the face for it.
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Frank Brady April 07, 2017 4:11 PM: As I posted earlier, Occam's Razor should be employed when it comes to the Trump attack on Syria: the most simple explanation is usually best.

Personally, I had been among Donald Trump's strongest supporters from the beginning of his campaign. Although I certainly hope that the hopeful optimism many posters have expressed here proves to be justified, the concern developing among many of us is prompted by more than last night's cruise missile attack. There is a pattern of disturbing behavior that goes far beyond that:

1. The President has filled his Cabinet and inner circle with Goldman Sach's alumni and neoconservative war hawks.
2. He has increased U.S. military support of Saudi aggression in Yemen, authorizing an escalating number of air strikes against the Houthis.
3. He has maintained the totally unjustified "sanctions" against Russia, sanctions which comprise an act of economic warfare.
4. He has failed to inform the American people of U.S. involvement in the February 2014 overthrow of the elected government of the Ukraine, led by none other than the despicable John McCain and the harpy, Victoria Nuland, Hillary Clinton's Under Secretary of State. This failure implicitly gives credence to the false "Russian aggression" meme which is being drummed into the American public consciousness 24/7 by the bi-partisan establishment war party.
5. With respect to Syria, he has failed to inform the American people that under the Obama administration, the U.S. stood up, equipped, trained, and directed the so-called "Syrian Free Army" and is responsible for the years of war there. Assad is certainly an autocrat (on about the same level as our ally, the "King" of Jordan). Compared to the hideous regime in Saudi Arabia (our "ally"), Assad is a virtual Captain Kangaroo.

Whatever rationalizations are presented to defend the President's actions, it is simply undeniable that the U.S. has no legitimate national interests in Syria and that neither the U.S. government or the President, acting alone, has the slightest authority to attack another sovereign nation that has not attacked us. To do so is, by definition, a violation of international law and the Constitution.

One wonders if Trump will now drop the other shoe on the Korean peninsula. As one who spent two tours of duty there many years ago, I devoutly hope that he does not.
Wormwood April 07, 2017 4:15 PM: He did not embrace another war in the Middle East. I agree that we should never have been there to start with, but once you are there it's a completely different kettle of fish. If I were Trump I would be looking for some fine young tyrants, that were specifically non-Muslim, to be leaders in training. Then we can begin to restore the conditions that existed before the Bushes got involved with the ME.
frigger611 April 07, 2017 4:17 PM: @111 Dire Badger

Thanks for the post, very enlightening, and comports with Ivan Throne's thoughts on the matter. It's a much rosier outlook.

Still, I have an instantaneous gag reflex that kicks in every time I see John McCain giggling with murderous glee. I know Hillary can't be far off, cackling her cackle as she throws more eye of newt into the bubbling cauldron.
SumDood April 07, 2017 4:21 PM: "and they missed because of russian GPS jamming equipment."

"Most US cruise missiles also use inertial guidance so that jamming GPS will not significantly impact them."

Incorrect.

Tomahawk land-attack missiles (as opposed to the anti-ship version) use 2 technologies for midcourse & terminal guidance: TERCOM and DSMAC. They have GPS and inertial guidance, sure. But it's not the primary system for the land-attack version.

TERCOM = TERrain COntour Mapping
DSMAC = Digital Scene Mapping And Comparison

Spoofing GPS won't affect a land-attack Tomahawk. But it takes a while to plan a Tomahawk mission because the route needs to be entered into the guidance system before launch.
Snidely Whiplash April 07, 2017 4:23 PM: Wow, Vox, you sure are getting a LOT of new readers lately. I count at least 30 on this thread alone, people who've never commented here before. And they're all loyal alt-right, they all voted for and support Trump up to now, but this is just a bridge too far. He's destroyed his credibility and none of us can ever take him seriously again!

Hello, fellow alt-Righters!
YIH April 07, 2017 4:23 PM: I am also not inclined to leap to criticize strategy on the basis of a single limited tactical strike.
This was an incomplete on 1st down, not time for the punt team. However if he continues this, or he does two handoffs that are stopped at the line of scrimmage, then it's time to wave in the punter.
Nate April 07, 2017 4:26 PM: "Spoofing GPS won't affect a land-attack Tomahawk. But it takes a while to plan a Tomahawk mission because the route needs to be entered into the guidance system before launch."

yep. the two competing theories are

1) they didn't have time to use the TER-COM system and used the GPS system instead and the russian's jamming worked.

and

2) They rushed like hell to get the TERCOM input and screwed it up and thus causing the misses.
Theproductofafineeduction April 07, 2017 4:29 PM: @110

Lucious the claim on amoging does not compute especially considering that amoging is describes behavior between males in a group most often competing for attention of females. I'm hard pressed to see how what I have done constitutes amoging when it does not prescribe to that in the slightest, and more importantly, is advocating following the advice of the owner of said blog in regards to withholding judgement until more info is present and to not give into despair which I put forward to you as the EXACT OPPOSITE of what amoging is; again the claim makes no sense especially on a forum board which is an impersonal interaction.

Additionally, you said your self the near term events may point to going one direction or the other to which I reply, again, we have one data point so how can any conclusion be drawn other than looking at Trumps past record, which in my opinion has been good.
Frank Brady April 07, 2017 4:29 PM: @126 Wormwood wrote, "If I were Trump I would be looking for some fine young tyrants, that were specifically non-Muslim, to be leaders in training. Then we can begin to restore the conditions that existed before the Bushes got involved with the ME."

Here's a novel idea. How about we mind our own business and let the Syrians do whatever it is they want to do in their own country?
Nate April 07, 2017 4:30 PM: "BTW, Men of the west appears to be heavily liberzionist converged already, no longer worth reading.'

still waiting to hear what leads you to conclude this.
Lazarus April 07, 2017 4:31 PM: I am getting the feeling that the fake gas attack was countered by a fake Cruise Missile strike.
Nate April 07, 2017 4:32 PM: "I am getting the feeling that the fake gas attack was countered by a fake Cruise Missile strike."

and that;s all fine and dandy as long as it doesn't lead to very real Kalibr attack on our ships.
TLM April 07, 2017 4:36 PM: Breitbart is reporting that Kushner's lawyer regarding some 'left out foreign contact information" is none other then Jamie Gorelick! Let those hamsters spin for those Trump supporters still trying to rationalize that somehow DJT hasn't gone over to the (((dark side))). Jamie Gorelick!!!!
Theproductofafineeduction April 07, 2017 4:36 PM: @125

Your point on number 4 ignores the unfortunate reality that "you cannot force an idea whose time has not yet come".

As Cernovich said on his webcast last night. There are a lot of things he wanted to talk about in regards to the petro-dollar but he doesn't because the populace at large is not ready for the red pill and doing so would be counter productive. The same is true for Ukraine. There is literally no upside for Trump, or America, by him doing this and in fact would almost certainly make things harder.

The same is true to number 3 and 5, though to a lesser extent.
Clint April 07, 2017 4:36 PM: Nate wrote:"BTW, Men of the west appears to be heavily liberzionist converged already, no longer worth reading.'

still waiting to hear what leads you to conclude this.

It would be interesting to read what content at MOTW was "heavily liberzionist converged." Maybe he found one little thing to nitpick.
Harris April 07, 2017 4:40 PM: VD: "War is coming, but not necessarily where everyone assumes it will be..."

The coming War I'm worried about is in Texas, not Syria. All the rest is just noise to me. Trump is not a "God-Emperor;" nor, is he a White Nationalist Messiah.

He's a flawed man who saw some issues correctly, but is still wrong on many others. He happens to be right on immigration and trade. I really don't care if he drops nuclear bombs on Syria and Russia. I just want him to stop the flood of immigrants coming to Texas, and build some barriers to keep jobs from flooding out of the USA, or being filled by underpaid immigrants here.

Not sure about all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about Syria, one way or the other. Who Cares? Not me. It's ironic that I was not even a Trump supporter in the primaries, and yet I find myself MORE in support of Trump now than his so-called rabid followers from a year ago.
Some Guy April 07, 2017 4:40 PM: I'm curious to see where this goes. I'm hoping the God-Emperor has a good reason for doing this. He's been true to his word and has literally been walking down his to do list and checking things off one at a time. Let's hope this has some long term goal behind it.
Lazarus April 07, 2017 4:41 PM: Russian debriefing on the attack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xYM-yC0dtA
Harris April 07, 2017 4:41 PM: Also, the BIGGER battle by far was won today, getting Gorsuch on the Supreme Court. Why would I care about Syria. Kill'em all.
Frank Brady April 07, 2017 4:41 PM: @138 Theproductofafineeduction, wrote, "Your point on number 4 ignores the unfortunate reality that "you cannot force an idea whose time has not yet come"."

Really? Why has the "time not yet come" to tell the American people the truth about what really happened in the Ukraine? Given the stakes, there's no time like the present. It should have happened on Day 1. My "number 4" is reposted below.

4. He has failed to inform the American people of U.S. involvement in the February 2014 overthrow of the elected government of the Ukraine, led by none other than the despicable John McCain and the harpy, Victoria Nuland, Hillary Clinton's Under Secretary of State. This failure implicitly gives credence to the false "Russian aggression" meme which is being drummed into the American public consciousness 24/7 by the bi-partisan establishment war party.
digra April 07, 2017 4:41 PM: If you gonna strike somewhere...how about a "FAT MAN" in mekka?
Dubs-Trips April 07, 2017 4:44 PM: 5D Chess Again - Trump pwnd em all.

This has completely changed the narrative on Trump - and it was clearly a display of power for Chinese consumption NOT for Russian.

Trump just neutralized the Neocons and the Democrats in one fell swoop and sent a message to Chi-na

- Denotes willingness to engage in power politics and dirty tricks.

- "gas attack" a few days before
- "I'm gonna do something but I won't tell you what"

On China

- Sits down for dinner with the Chinese leader
- If Trump is gonna take jobs back, China is gonna be pissed
- "oh look we bombed Syria"
- clear difference between him and Obama
- Reign in North Korea or else.

On Russia

- Putin BFF Narrative is now DOA.
- Cold War 2.0 can begin if they want it to in order to build up nationalist fervor in both countries.
- Attacks non-critical infrastructure, causing little damage and in no way diminishes the ability of Assad to wage war on ISIS.

On Neocons/GOP

- Trump Just undercut the remaining criticisms that the old school neocons had against him.
- I.E. that he was a non-interventionist
- this gives cover for never-Trumper spineless politicians who once kowtowed to Kristol etc. to jump on the Trump Train.
- WaPo: "A president who launches missiles into Syria is a president these GOP Trump skeptics can get behind"

On the Democrats

- Hillary goes on record saying "Trump should bomb Assads Airbases" just before the strikes
- Trump does exactly what Hillary said he should have done
- Her new slogan? "I'm with him" (and you should be too)
- From ZH: Eleven weeks into his administration, Trump's Syrian airstrikes appear to have achieve what until last night appeared impossible: unite much of Congress in support of a Trump decision.

On the MSM

- MSM Narrative is now in complete disarray
- Wouldn't be surprised if they secretly got in line behind this ahead of time
- a sign that the Trump admin (Bannon incl) has now brought the MSM to heel.
Noah B The MacroAggressor April 07, 2017 4:46 PM: Check out the specs on the commercial-off-the-shelf EMP-1.2k Fiber Optic Gyroscope.

The GPS could be completely jammed for the last 100 miles of the flight and the accumulated bias in the gyro would only lead to a potential miss by about 15 feet. I don't know what the Tomahawks are actually using but this is one example of what's out there.
johnc April 07, 2017 4:49 PM: Another angle, is that Trump ordered the strike right in front of Xi's face in a dinner in Mar-a-lago. Would love to see the expression of that smug bastard trying to contain his shock.

I doubt Xi was impressed by that show last night. He probably saw in Trump somebody who is insecure, emotional, and reckless. Anybody who thinks those airstrikes were signs of strength and self-control is a nitwit.
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Difster April 07, 2017 4:50 PM: I expected there to be disappointments. I don't like this but it's not a deal breaker.

As an aside, two Apache helicopters flew low enough over my house today to make the insides rumble. I am near Camp Mabry (of Jade Helm fame) but they were neither coming from there nor going that direction. They were headed due south. They very well could have been deployed from Ft. Hood and are headed for the Gulf of Mexico. Preparing for Russian reaction?
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Frank Brady April 07, 2017 4:57 PM: If this "Newsmax" post of a couple of minutes ago has any basis in fact, it just may be that the neocon lunatics have decided to go directly after the main target (Russia).

"The United States is looking into whether Russia participated in the Syrian chemical weapons attack that provoked President Donald Trump's airstrikes against the Assad government, a revelation that could have dramatic implications for relations between Washington and Moscow.

On Friday, senior U.S. military officials said a drone belonging to either Russia or Syria was seen hovering over the site of the chemical weapons attack after the assault earlier this week. Russia is one of Syria's most important patrons and has long resisted U.S. efforts to push President Bashar Assad from power."

The war party has completely lost its mind.
Wormwood April 07, 2017 4:58 PM: 133. Frank Brady April 07, 2017 4:29 PM

Here's a novel idea. How about we mind our own business and let the Syrians do whatever it is they want to do in their own country?

If you want to give ISIS a whole country then, yeah do that. If you want Islam to stay as fractured as possible, then you do it the way I suggested. You think El-Sisi is a good man. He is not but he quieted Egypt down, and if you want to get out that's what you have to achieve.
Dire Badger April 07, 2017 5:01 PM: Harris wrote:Also, the BIGGER battle by far was won today, getting Gorsuch on the Supreme Court. Why would I care about Syria. Kill'em all.

I thought gutting the H1b program was a pretty darned big win.
Whisker biscuit April 07, 2017 5:02 PM: This is known as the Pollyanna Principle...
Nate April 07, 2017 5:03 PM: "Nope, but it IS your fault that you and theophrasus are filling your site with kike supremacy crap and 'bend over and take it like a bitch' hyper pacifism."

either you don't know what pacifism means... or... you really are illiterate.
Frank Brady April 07, 2017 5:04 PM: @153 Wormwood wrote, "If you want to give ISIS a whole country then, yeah do that. If you want Islam to stay as fractured as possible, then you do it the way I suggested. You think El-Sisi is a good man. He is not but he quieted Egypt down, and if you want to get out that's what you have to achieve."

Just curious, how did you come by the notion that the U.S. is in the position to "give ISIS a whole country"? Are you laboring under the delusion that the U.S. somehow owns Syria? Does the U.S. "own" the entire Middle East? The "thinking" you are displaying here demonstrates in spades why we're in this quagmire. Good Lord!
JNorth April 07, 2017 5:08 PM: The Kalibr is just a Harpoonsky with a faster terminal phase. I wouldn't have been too concerned about them with on a Spruance, two Aegis ships are under no threat.

Not only that, the Kalibr are also land attack cruise missiles and, like the Tomahawks, the warhead and guidance systems are different. Since we know they have been shooting them at ISIS targets it is likely they do not even have any of the anti-ship versions on board. I don't remember ever carrying any TSAMs, but we always had 8 Harpoons so really didn't have a need to.
Diego Destiny April 07, 2017 5:11 PM: I thought gutting the H1b program was a pretty darned big win.

When did that happen? There has been no legislation passed about H1b that I'm aware of.
Nate April 07, 2017 5:14 PM: "The Kalibr is just a Harpoonsky with a faster terminal phase. I wouldn't have been too concerned about them with on a Spruance, two Aegis ships are under no threat."

You are very much mistaken. that "fast terminal phase" that you just blew off... is exactly what makes the Kalibr deadly. WE have absolutely nothing that will stop one. nothing. its way to fast for our air defenses to hit. Hell we couldn't even hit scuds.
Ironsides April 07, 2017 5:20 PM: Wonder if some U.S. sailors are about to take a deep drink of Mediterranean? If it weren't for nukes, I'm sure the U.S. and Russia would already be at war.
Dire Badger April 07, 2017 5:27 PM: "Law is good. It restrains the ungodly impulses of those who would act outside it. If you are trying to work outside the law, then according to scripture, you are acting ungodly and sinfully."

Well, I guess those poor bastards in Sweden and London are acting in a 'goodly fashion' because their laws demand that they 'tolerate' getting raped and murdered by muslim invaders rather than 'taking the law into their own hands'. You know, just like the laws of Sodom encouraged 'man to lie with man'.

Yes, there are many verses in the bible supporting man's law, but there are just as many supporting God's law, even when it opposes that of Man. Acts 5:29, Luke 20:25, crap, the whole book of Daniel, practically. Virtually all the 'hold to the law above all other things' types take their phrases entirely out of context. I had no Idea when I first started reading the site that they took their operative philosophy out of 'The watchtower'

What word would YOU suggest using instead of pacifism?
A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 07, 2017 5:28 PM: @159
When did that happen? There has been no legislation passed about H1b that I'm aware of.

Even Bing knows about it:
https://www.bing.com/search?q=trump+h1b&pc=MOZI&form=MOZSPG

New H1B guidelines crack down on computer programmer jobs

Trump really can walk and chew gum at the same time.
lowercaseb April 07, 2017 5:28 PM: Personally, I think the 50 Tomahawks were the 30 pieces of silver to make sure that the nuclear option got through with no "problems." We REALLY need Gorsuch on the court, but I am not too keen on poking the Bear to get this option.

This is why I am not a Politician... or an alpha.
JNorth April 07, 2017 5:29 PM: Oh please, they aren't even as fast as the old Sunburns (P-270 Moskit) and we were able to shoot them down with Terriers, the big threat from the supersonic ASMs was they could close range faster then the sweep rate of the older search radars, the Sunburn could go over a mile between sweeps of my old radar. That isn't an issue with the AEGIS.

You have your opinion, I have mine, with luck it will never get resolved.
Unknown April 07, 2017 5:29 PM: "Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?" -- Psalms 94:20
Noah B The MacroAggressor April 07, 2017 5:30 PM: Yeah wow - the fast terminal phase of a Kalibr is about four times as fast as a Harpoon. It's a whole different class of missile.
Nate April 07, 2017 5:30 PM: "What word would YOU suggest using instead of pacifism? "

I could call it social autism... or the ever popular "scan until offended.
A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 07, 2017 5:32 PM: Mandrill primates smell poop of other mandrills, avoid those with parasites

Just observing.
Looking Glass April 07, 2017 5:34 PM: @111 Dire Badger

Pretty much on the nose. Trump was making a point, the message was sent loud & clear to those it was intended.

@146 Dubs-Trips

The contours of the value of the attack go even further.

In total, the False Flag might end up being the NeoCon's greatest strategic error. Trump just forced them to support whatever *he* chooses to do. They were trumpeting for a No-Fly Zone a few hours before we hit a run way & some planes, which we phoned ahead to say we were.

What is incumbent upon our side is to attack the NeoCons and meme "no war" with Syria for a while. I've got a pretty good idea what Trump is up to, and if he pulls it off it'll be brilliant, but it's going to take time to see if that plays out. But our side can do a lot of *good* by attacking the WW3 Starters.

We can also do a whole lot of good by attacking the False Flag narratives and showing it is a False Flag. Put the NeoCons in a bind by making them take the consequences for wanting to start WW3. Make them pay for the foolishness they want to start. That's the play from our side.

Otherwise, grow a pair and learn to filter through what Trump is telling you vs what he's saying. We live in an age of wall-to-wall propaganda. He has to operate in that field and it's always messy. Plus, a LOT of paid shills around. Ask yourself why?
Dire Badger April 07, 2017 5:35 PM: Nate wrote:
its way to fast for our air defenses to hit. Hell we couldn't even hit scuds.

Actually, as I recall Our CIWS systems were actually pretty good at dealing with SCUDS. It was the poor dudes trying to pop them with Sea Sparrows that were having trouble.

I haven't actually watched a test fire against something with the handling characteristics of a Kalibr (Left before Russia put them into production) but, assuming that they can actually keep the CIWS systems running (Not a guaranteed thing if you have ever worked on one) R2D2 should be able to meaningfully address them.

If you have documentation that would suggest otherwise, I am quite willing to swallow my pride and check it out.
Dire Badger April 07, 2017 5:37 PM: Nate wrote:"What word would YOU suggest using instead of pacifism? "

I could call it social autism... or the ever popular "scan until offended.

Oops, I guess I hurt your feelings.
Nate April 07, 2017 5:38 PM: "You have your opinion, I have mine, with luck it will never get resolved."

its not only my opinion. The Kalibre family of missiles is extremely dangerous... and you are vastly over estimating our missile defenses.

We have never been good at shooting down fast missiles. as I said.. we couldn't even shoot down the shitty scuds.
Nate April 07, 2017 5:39 PM: "Oops, I guess I hurt your feelings. "

no sugartits... you didn't. I honestly wondered what you were talking about. Considering MOTW has the exact same authors it has always had. No more no less. so I wondered how you could come to such a bizarre conclusion.
Anonymous April 07, 2017 5:40 PM: Off topic question for you Vox :

Which Psykosonik album do you think is best?
Wormwood April 07, 2017 5:44 PM: 157. Frank Brady April 07, 2017 5:04 PM

Just curious, how did you come by the notion that the U.S. is in the position to "give ISIS a whole country"? Are you laboring under the delusion that the U.S. somehow owns Syria? Does the U.S. "own" the entire Middle East? The "thinking" you are displaying here demonstrates in spades why we're in this quagmire. Good Lord!

I get the libertarian butthurt, but reality is seldom as simple as libertarian dogma. This is not a question of if we should go in, we are knee deep in it for decades. There are only two ways to get out, and that is to be completely routed, or achieve enough stability to declare victory and run like hell.
Nate April 07, 2017 5:45 PM: "Actually, as I recall Our CIWS systems were actually pretty good at dealing with SCUDS. It was the poor dudes trying to pop them with Sea Sparrows that were having trouble."

You mean when they weren't shooting their own ships on accident?
then you recall incorrectly.
Ingot9455 April 07, 2017 5:47 PM: @148 This is why Trump is a skilled negotiator and you are not.

Any basic look at Eastern negotiation styles will tell you this:
1. never have a timetable, if you do they will not make a decision until the last minute and force you to make concessions then.
2. Never boast, just prepare/do.
3. When things happen, they happen.

Trump is negotiating exactly right with Xi. There's no timetable in those two days. There's no pressing matter. There's no boasting. They're just getting to know one another. Something will happen or it won't.
Ingot9455 April 07, 2017 5:49 PM: (An additional #4 is never write down your negotiation goals and red lines absolute minimums on a computer for them to hack because they'll use those as starting points, but that's a more modern thing.)
Nate April 07, 2017 5:54 PM: The problem with the Sizzler is it has vector thrust nozzels and the damn thing performs evasive manuevers on that crazy fast approach... oh and it comes rolling in at like 4 meters off the surface.

It is a severe pain to hit.
dienw April 07, 2017 5:55 PM: Timmy3 wrote:Not sure who will defeat ISIS. I thought ISIS is the main problem. After ISIS is kicked out of Iraq, then will Syria be next or they will stay if Assad is deposed.

The next target is Iran then Russia. ISIS and Al Quaeda will morph into Iranian freedom fighters, McCain/Graham will have an orgasm backing the new group having their photographs taken with them.

that shiksa Ivanka will have new pictures to cry over.
dienw April 07, 2017 6:03 PM: I see an awful lot of summer soldiers jumping off the Trump Train and a bunch of neocons trying to jump on.

No. what you see is the conservatives and Christians - the very people who elected him - realize that they have been dumped off the train by the neocons brought on by Ivanka/Jerod, then Priebus, then Pence right on down the line.

It took the #neverTrumpers, the GOPe, the neocons, and the oligarchy less then eighty days to neuter Trump: not only is the Emperor god naked, he ball-less as well.
patrick kelly April 07, 2017 6:07 PM: "Here's a novel idea. How about we mind our own business and let the Syrians do whatever it is they want to do in their own country?"

You don't understand, they made the womenz cry.
Dire Badger April 07, 2017 6:08 PM: Nate wrote:"Actually, as I recall Our CIWS systems were actually pretty good at dealing with SCUDS. It was the poor dudes trying to pop them with Sea Sparrows that were having trouble."

You mean when they weren't shooting their own ships on accident?

then you recall incorrectly.

Really? What years did YOU serve? I was there, servicing them. Not one of our amphib battlegroup 'shot their own ships'. Or any other battlegroup, for that matter.

Admittedly, however, my view was rather narrow as we were in commlock for nearly 4 more months, and then opred for a long time afterwards. But I am sure CBS gave you a wonderful, and complete, picture of the action.

So, what ship were you on when you saw one of our ships gunning down another with a phalanx?
dienw April 07, 2017 6:16 PM: War has never once led to tax cuts or sustainable employment numbers. Its a giant racket that sucks the marrow out of the country. This desiccated hulk of a former country has no marrow left to feast upon.

This war is desired as it will hide hte tracks of those who feasted on this country and will provide the same with new marrow on which to feed.
Elder Son April 07, 2017 6:17 PM: @178 Impossible for 2.
Dire Badger April 07, 2017 6:19 PM: Well, we know how well the doctrine of 'let them come' worked for the chinese emperor.

No wall is a perfect defense. Although unlike the liberals believe, it IS better than nothing.
johnc April 07, 2017 6:20 PM: No. what you see is the conservatives and Christians - the very people who elected him - realize that they have been dumped off the train by the neocons brought on by Ivanka/Jerod, then Priebus, then Pence right on down the line.

It took the #neverTrumpers, the GOPe, the neocons, and the oligarchy less then eighty days to neuter Trump: not only is the Emperor god naked, he ball-less as well.

Listening to Mark Levin right now and wew boy is he ever on the Trump Train now.

Your post is spot on.
Elder Son April 07, 2017 6:29 PM: I think Nate is talking about the USS Jarret.
Mr.MantraMan April 07, 2017 6:30 PM: Maybe we can directly ask if we have been thrown off the Trump train, I assume we have been
Snidely Whiplash April 07, 2017 6:30 PM: You know what I hate about Moderates? Their support is conditional and emergent. They NEVER show loyalty, are ready to cut your throat at a moment's notice and are completely unwilling to work within the existing situation. Their "support" only evidences when you are doing precisely what they say.

Guess what you ballless shrieking wonders?
ace April 07, 2017 6:31 PM: I sense a certain eagerness on the part of some AltRight commenters to leap at the chance to puff themselves up and make a play for the moral high ground, rather than keep faith, withold judgment, and close ranks as the left does so reliably. Is this the moment DJT plays the altright as a bunch of opportunist chumps? It's 59 missiles, not an amphibious assault.

At least our host has reserve enough to say 'let's trust him for now.'
Billy Ray April 07, 2017 6:31 PM: I TOLD YOU ALL TRUMP WAS CUCK in sheep's clothing. but close minded trumpeteers did not want to listen and supported the lying hairdo in the primaries anyway
Billy Ray April 07, 2017 6:32 PM: How many times does donald cuck-a-doodle-doo need to piss on your parade before you learn it isn't raining
Billy Ray April 07, 2017 6:34 PM: and remember calling people never trumpers, cruz bots and other names is NOT an argument
Deadmau5 Patton April 07, 2017 6:38 PM: "and remember calling people never trumpers, cruz bots and other names is NOT an argument"

If I call you a fag, it may not be an argument, but I'm guessing it's an accurate statement.
Theproductofafineeduction April 07, 2017 6:41 PM: Interesting turn of events for CNN. They to take a Syrian who praised DJTs actions and turn it into criticism for him not wanting refugees and their interview calls them out for not giving a shit and if they really cared they would do things so they wouldn't have to leave their country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3uaf1NFxXc&feature=youtu.be
Looking Glass April 07, 2017 6:53 PM: @189 Snidely Whiplash

We also clearly have paid-shills brigading as well. That should tell us a lot about what's going on. They view this as a wedge issue to tamp down Trump's support. And they hit HARD yesterday across the spectrum. A lot of money, pre-planned, went into laying an attack for Trump Supporters.

It's also sad to realize that a lot of supporters enraged themselves into a fury before Trump had actually done anything. They were suddenly listening to "Fake News" without question. This situation highlighted that most people are still programmed to respond to the News Propaganda properly. Which is why a lot of people need to nut-up and learn.

The NeoCons f**ked up royally this week. Trump is the Rope-Seller. The entire MIC & DC just bought everything Trump was offering. Now they're out praising him, thinking they've turned him. Trump the G-E. Bannon doesn't show up for his second NSC meeting because they're responding to emotional appeals. (And especially not when an attack like this needed pre-planning, so they clearly had something like this well prepared.)

Trump needs our support in meme'ing against a War and attacking the NeoCons at every opportunity. This is a Romney-redux play. There was open advocating, in the media, of WW3 yesterday, and Trump pounded some sand.

The bigger play comes later. Trump et al will need to prepare the battlespace for what actually needs to be done. He's going to use the very, very pointy end of our Spear, but in a way you aren't considering yet. That's why I trying to pull people back from ledge last night, and why Trump needs our support in neutering the NeoCons and Globalists.

Also, Trump made McCain's Death Boner limp & made Obama look like a cuck, just as added toppings to yesterday's action.
Billy Ray April 07, 2017 6:57 PM: and they missed because of russian GPS jamming equipment.

IOW, the TLAMs didn't even hit a camel in the butt, let alone the tent. nice to know in the future that our shit can and will be jammed, making it ineffective. so yeah, lets's bomb some more cause it will work out so much better next time
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