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Saturday, April 29, 2017

The omni-nationalist option

Omni-nationalism is not a zero-sum game. Your nation does not have to lose in order for my nation to survive and thrive.

Imperialism is a zero-sum game. Civic nationalism is a zero-sum game. In both cases, a nation has to lose in order for another nation to benefit.

And both multiculturalism and globalism are negative sum games where almost every nation loses.


112 Comments:

Blogger SteelPalm April 29, 2017 1:15 PM  

One of your shortest posts, but also one of your best.

As an economist, I must say this is an excellent way of looking at it.

Blogger tuberman April 29, 2017 1:40 PM  

So, does this mean...?? If we become Omni-national, resources become less scarce? No snark here, as more intelligence = greater resources.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey April 29, 2017 1:44 PM  

@SteelPalm

"One of your shortest posts, but also one of your best."

Yeah, I'd have to second that. Strong, easily-understandable rhetoric that gets the point across clearly. One could perhaps quibble about the details (imperialism in particular), but that misses the point. Kind of like the people responding to "The fact is that the average person, if given control of the Fed, would set interest rates on the basis of their own mortgage" with details about the inner workings of the Fed.

Almost a waste to use that Fed line for a comment, rather than a post, btw.

Blogger lowercaseb April 29, 2017 1:53 PM  

Thank you for giving it a better name. I was trying to describe it as Globo-nationalism but as soon as the work "Globo" comes out, people shut their ears. I don't blame them. This is a much better way to describe this to friends and family.

Blogger Jonathan Wales April 29, 2017 1:55 PM  

I like the sound of omni-nationalism. Pretty much sums up why the EU doesn't work, and why they are so keen to punish the UK in negotiations. Also spot on with multiculturalism.

Blogger praetorian April 29, 2017 2:00 PM  

Yeah, I'd have to second that.

When a jew and a nazi agree on something...

Blogger Cecil Henry April 29, 2017 2:00 PM  


This is what goes on while you're not watching. While you're at work paying for other people's agenda.

Does the MSM ever tell you this??? Never. This is the tip of an iceberg


The Metropolis Project and George Soros

http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2017/04/the-metropolis-project-and-george-soros.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8Kj-R4Ja08

Blogger ZhukovG April 29, 2017 2:02 PM  

So the Omni-Nationalist State is one which economically orients itself to policies which benefit the Nation(people) whether they are protectionist or free trade. It's foreign policies are guided by strict non-interventionism and a defensive military that is oriented to area denial.

Is that a remotely correct description?

Anonymous b3k April 29, 2017 2:02 PM  

Omni-nationalism is not a zero-sum game. Your nation does not have to lose in order for my nation to survive and thrive.

Points 15 and 16

Imperialism is a zero-sum game. Civic nationalism is a zero-sum game. In both cases, a nation has to lose in order for another nation to benefit.

Points 5 and 10

And both multiculturalism and globalism are negative sum games where almost every nation loses.

Points 6 and 11

Blogger SteelPalm April 29, 2017 2:13 PM  

@6

When a jew and a nazi agree on something...

What an excellent portent for the appeal of omni-nationalism!

Anonymous BBGKB April 29, 2017 2:14 PM  

This is what goes on while you're not watching. While you're at work paying for other people's agenda

I am not entirely sure where the funds are coming from to support the following in a vacation beach town:
P-Town gays/dykes importing southern kids for the summer. What could go wrong?
All you can eat pizza and hot dog kickoff party planned.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/04/25/for-lgbt-youth-from-south-safe-haven-summer-

Blogger ZhukovG April 29, 2017 2:36 PM  

@BBGKB: Nothing can go wrong.... go wrong... go wrong...

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 29, 2017 2:52 PM  

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Anonymous London Fog April 29, 2017 3:03 PM  

Interesting to think about the language for this. Have been at a loss as to how to describe this position- that all nations are entitled to a healthy self-interest. Have resorted to "international nationalist," but maybe Omni-nationalist sounds less confusing and paradoxical.

I have recently sent many a nobly-losing dialectical thinker to this blog to learn the sobering truth about dealing with Most People. Thank you for your work.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 29, 2017 3:03 PM  

And both multiculturalism and globalism are negative sum games where almost every nation loses.
Ah, but the elite, and the (((elite))) win. Who cares about peasants and cattle?

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( don't trifle with me, son. i'm a professional, certified 4th degree black belt in the ancient Hebrew martial art of Kibitz Maga ) April 29, 2017 3:06 PM  

VD
Omni-nationalism is ...


White Man coded speech for Racism, Sexism, Homophobia and Dipshitism.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey April 29, 2017 3:07 PM  

@11 BBGKB

What could go wrong, indeed.

By the way, looks like your link is dead. Searching the keywords gives this:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/04/25/for-lgbt-youth-from-south-safe-haven-summer-idyll/p1jBiDJ9bc3IfHtH6X7p0O/story.html

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 29, 2017 3:28 PM  

A Jew and a Nazi walk into an omniclient bar. They sit at different tables across the room from each other, with different drinks. No one notices. No one cares.

Anonymous Kraut April 29, 2017 3:30 PM  

Civic Nationalism has been winning in the U.S. since we beat the British. Get your history right.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable April 29, 2017 3:48 PM  

I recall "pan-nationalism" being tried out here, and I rather liked it. Insufficiently universal, like how pan-sexuality totally doesn't discriminate at all [except on hotness]?

"We totally support the right of all nations to have their own countries [except that one over there, that just happens to be sitting on a lot of oil. They suck]."

Anonymous johnc April 29, 2017 4:02 PM  

Civic nationalists need to learn that if we don't get all forms of immigration under control and quickly, every town in America is going to be run like Berkeley before long.

Blogger kurt9 April 29, 2017 4:23 PM  

Would not omni-nationalism be called a 21st century Westphalia or what I sometimes call the thousand-state sovereignty world. Development of the construction technology (industrial 3-D printing and robotic assembly) ought to enable low-cost fabrication of seasteads, thus preserving the right of "Exit" from existing societies.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 29, 2017 4:23 PM  

In America our rallying cry is "The looting will continue till morale improves", ain't our Isms great?

Anonymous Rip April 29, 2017 4:27 PM  

This argument won't work with the left because the extinction of whites is their most valuable goal.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper April 29, 2017 4:29 PM  

Kraut wrote:Civic Nationalism has been winning in the U.S. since we beat the British. Get your history right.

Now that's quality trolling.

The half a million dead in the civil war and the constant victims of Negro and Hispanic crime would differ as would the cities plagued with Italian organized crime . Irish drunkenness and violence and the general corruption brought on by low trust cultures

Civic nationalism is losing proposition

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 29, 2017 4:37 PM  

For centuries the Helvetican Confederation has been something other than zero sum. The forest cantons thrived, the southern cantons thrived. Protestant cantons and Catholic cantons. Four national languages plus English.

Omni-culturalism at work, and it clearly does work. Unlike the "one size will fit all when we get done" global bed of Procrustes we are being shoved into.

Blogger Charles Martel April 29, 2017 4:56 PM  

So, nationalism is the way to go. But how do we get there, given the fact that the (((enemy))) will use ANY means necessary to thwart our efforts to achieve nationalistic self-determination? They're going to plug every hole in the dike. It's what they do when their hegemony is threatened.

Anonymous Kraut April 29, 2017 5:02 PM  

"Kraut wrote:Civic Nationalism has been winning in the U.S. since we beat the British. Get your history right.

Now that's quality trolling.

The half a million dead in the civil war and the constant victims of Negro and Hispanic crime would differ."

Ethnic nationalists alway miss the obvious thing: community + Time = ideological assimilation. 'Twas ever thus.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 29, 2017 5:12 PM  

@25

"Civic nationalism is losing proposition"

No, like anything else it has its uses, its time, place, and duration. It is a tool that may work for a time, then fail, then work again.

Now what is true is that civic nationalism becomes ethnic nationalism at some point in time. Thus Germany had a fighter ace named "Galland," England had a Norman, which is to say "norse," which is to say "viking" king, but went from being a mix of pre-Celt, Celt, Roman, Anglo-Saxon place a pre-celt, Celt, Roman, Anglo-Saxon, French and Norse - which is to say, eventually entirely English - place. It is why France has had Marshals named MacMahon and Kellerman, why one of Chile's national heroes was Bernardo O'Higgins. It is why one of England's older silversmith firms is named Fattorini, and why they had a senior artillery officer in the Great war with a German name (escapes me at the moment). It's also why the Windsors are really Saxe-Coburg-Gothas.

Conversely, ethnic nationalism had a great deal to do with the decline and ruination of Sparta, and why Rome conquered Greece and not the other way around.

Blogger weka April 29, 2017 5:19 PM  

The English are four nations. England, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. It is in their interests to align in an imperial commonwealth. It is even more in their interest to remain English.

The Americans left two centuries ago to set up something else.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper April 29, 2017 5:24 PM  

Kraut wrote:"Kraut wrote:Civic Nationalism has been winning in the U.S. since we beat the British. Get your history right.

Now that's quality trolling.

The half a million dead in the civil war and the constant victims of Negro and Hispanic crime would differ."

Ethnic nationalists alway miss the obvious thing: community + Time = ideological assimilation. 'Twas ever thus.


I'm going to reply because I think this has value and while I'm not sure your posts are interesting enough to be legitimate or at least not be poo. If you are on someones payroll, you deserve a raise.

Now. US here Assimilation can work with very small numbers of high quality immigrants even non Whites but low quality immigrants in numbers will never assimilate.

I use the word assimilate here to mean general WASP or the local Southern or other equivalent cultural values , generally Protestant work ethic , high trust and honesty , family focused

Now I live in Southern California and while the Hispanics here (about half the population where I am) speak English they aren't assimilated and never will

Most aren't too bright or ambitious with a few exceptions and most have a Catholic work ethic, will work hard when needed but slack whenever possible and don't value work at all except for what it gets them.

This part of So-Cal is basically a slightly more affluent suburb of Mexico with endemic drugs and violence and poverty and grossly under performing schools (bottom 10 nationally for the state)

Its a Livable shit hole because of immigration and drugs and poverty in that order. without the other two, we'd just have desert rats and cooters who aren't a problem

Hell Mexicans didn't assimilate in the 40's when they were 5 percent of the population in Sand Diego , see Zoot Suit riots for details

On the whole Native Americans aren't assimilated (they have their own nations) Blacks aren't and never will in numbers ,

Asians are few in numbers I wouldn't call them assimilated since they are low trust and clannish
and its debate if some White groups "ethnics" have

For example Armenians are solid people but they aren't assimilated to WASP values, they Armenian vs Black brawls are legendary at LAUSD

So no, it doesn't work. The US would be immeasurably better as a whiter/righter country and instead of waiting around hoping for magic soil to assimilate people , its better to make the US go in that direction

Righter/Whiter/Better


As for Europe, anyone not a national or an old friend has to go home, period. The 37% of kids under 5 who aren't German in Germany get sent packing , period.

Britain for Brits , Sweden for Swedes and so on.

To each people its own nation

Anonymous Kraut April 29, 2017 5:26 PM  

"The Americans left two centuries ago to set up something else."

Close....500 years ago.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 29, 2017 5:28 PM  

@32

Yes, but note that you are describing two very different systems and approaches, both of which are civic nationalism, and one of which works. This is very different from saying "civic nationalism never works."

Blogger Tom Kratman April 29, 2017 5:29 PM  

@32

I think he meant left English rule, not left the island.

Blogger weka April 29, 2017 5:37 PM  

@11. Looking at that chicken hawk article... three thoughts.

1. The troll running it is bigger than me, and I look like a gorilla crossed with an Orc.
2. The petal from east Texas screams "look I'm confused and butch". Do not touch with a barge pole, because this hunts with personality disorder.
3. The educational system in Boston is not working as designed. There are not enough vulnerable children being made for the predators in P-town.

I think we need Tom Kratman and to reform the town, Victoria style.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 29, 2017 5:44 PM  

@35

"Give the Hispanics 2 more generations. And, they work their ass off. And you know it. Finally, what is needed and what always happens when a community begins moving up to lower middle class values is a desire for the next generation to have more. And that's already happening."

Probably not. Hispanics (go ahead and acuse me of anti-Hispanic racism; you will hear the laughter from across the world) do not generally integrate that well. They should - their women are pretty and many would intermarry - but by and large they do not. Look to Miami, for example, and ask which language is better to speak well there, English or Spanish.

The Mexicans, in particular, are not assimilating for beans. You can read this - http://www.everyjoe.com/2015/08/10/politics/immigration-doesnt-work-like-it-used-to/#1 - for at least a partial explanation of why not.

Blogger Vikki Wilson April 29, 2017 5:49 PM  

 
"Omni-Nationalism" is an inspired coinage and stands four-square as the full alternative to "multiculturalism". If it applies to all peoples, it is a Universal concept and its universalism necessarily entails a rejection of race supremacism. Great !

Omni-Nationalism is an rhetorical tool for nationalists to speak - especially on multiculturalism - to people where they are.

Omninationalism deserves to be picked up and disseminated.

Blogger Robert Paxton April 29, 2017 5:51 PM  

-Your nation does not have to lose in order for my nation to survive and thrive.-

This is also my take on the whole alt-right movement.

I am Irish/English/German/Euromongrel and married to a Latin American so technically my kids are Latino (though they don't speak Spanish and pass as white). Yet I support the white movements because, not in spite, of my knowledge of Latin America, where I lived for some time. Guess what? In these countries, they are not politically correct. They speak quite frankly about black people, white people, Indians, etc. They have pride in their own heritage and are NOT multicultural. Why can't whites do the same? It doesn't mean that whites want to kill everybody. They just want their own place.

I live in the Southwest. It has its own particular Latin style and flavor. I wouldn't trade it for anything. I can definitely see myself retiring to Latin America someday (Chile, Argentina, Paraguay).

But I do not expect everyone to feel the same and I do not see why St. Paul, Minnesota or Des Moines, Iowa should look like San Salvador. (I still can't wrap my head around Somali criminals being described in a recent MSM article as "Minnesota men").

I suppose if these population changes happened slowly and naturally it would be OK, but these influxes of immigrants are obviously done with malicious intent or criminal disregard.

And the Left could have gotten away with it all but they overplayed their hand. I really felt a change in the pulse of the nation when Obama started forcing gay and transgender acceptance. If states had just started accepting transgender bathrooms, gay weddings, etc. one by one, over the course of years, the alt-right would never have gotten the manpower to accomplish anything. I mean, the Left had the culture war in the bag by 2012 IMO.

Then they started forcing everyone to obey immediately. The result was what you might expect when an effeminate man starts barking orders like a martinette at a group of men with any testosterone at all in their blood. They got pissed off.

Really, Obama was probably the best thing that could have happened to the alt-right. Without him pushing our buttons during the last few years in office, Clinton would be president now and we would all be disunited, either keeping our miserable mouths shut, unemployed or in jail.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper April 29, 2017 5:54 PM  

Kraut wrote:"As for Europe, anyone not a national or an old friend has to go home, period. The 37% of kids under 5 who aren't German in Germany get sent packing , period. "

Ethno Nationslist nation always think they are better fit to rule over other, resulting in death and destruction: Antebellum U.S, Germany, Italy, South Africa, euro imperialism in Africa. They can't help but hurt others.


Correct. That is why Omni Nationalism needs to be adhered to. We do not want to repeat the mistakes of the 19th and 20th century. No White Man burden, to every people their own nation

As far as the antebellum , blame Damn Yankees for that . Omni Nationalism wasn't a thing in the 19th century but had it been adhered too, the Confederacy would be its own nation or some kind of agreement would have been reached to stop treating the south like a satrapy of the North

Whether that's good or bad is a matter of debate but ON's don't invade people

The only caveat will some occasional skirmishes over bits of land. Think Falkland islands level here.

This is nothing like the havoc the trans-nationalists and imperialists and universalists have caused

The very best model of the Czechoslovakian "velvet divorce" or maybe Brexit the US won't be so lucky though.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper April 29, 2017 5:58 PM  

Kraut wrote:

Give the Hispanics 2 more generations. And, they work their ass off. And you know it. Finally, what is needed and what always happens when a community begins moving up to lower middle class values is a desire for the next generation to have more. And that's already happening.


Tom Kratman said it better than I could but do note Hispanics have been coming here in numbers for two generations.

There were so many the USG felt it had an amnesty in 1986 which was 31 years ago!

It ain't happening.

Blogger tz April 29, 2017 5:59 PM  

Omni-nationalism is the source of any trans-national "comparative advantage" for trade. Some can do perogis better, some pizzas, some tacos. Civic nationalism results in pizza-perogi tacos.

I've frequently pointed out that in the EU, the PIIGS are different than the thrify northerners. They are less diverse and can't even create a stable union between northern and southern, or eastern and western Europe.

The danger with civic - nationalism isn't correct because nations aren't based on it - is when things don't work out equal or whatever the propositon is, there is a witch hunt and call for "affirmative action" or its equivalent between the identities.

It is a redistribution of power and authority as much as a redistribution of the wealth. For some reason not on South Africa where the Blacks are running things - like Detroit - into the ground.
Speaking of Detroit Whites are now stripping what is left via crony capitalism.

Blogger Jew613 April 29, 2017 6:02 PM  

With globalism the elite are enriched and the masses impoverished. With omni-nationalism there is still an elite but it is now in their interests that the nation as a whole does well.

Kraut, under Afrikaner rule South Africa was a very nice functioning country even for the blacks who chose to immigrate there en masse. Now its a third world hell hole where the whites are under threat of genocide, because that's where multiculturalism always leads.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 29, 2017 6:03 PM  

Kraut
Give the Hispanics 2 more generations.

40% of 4th generation Hispanics don't finish high school. About the same as 2nd and 3rd gen. How many more generations?

And, they work their ass off.

For sure you've never supervised a Mexican work crew.

Blogger tz April 29, 2017 6:04 PM  

@41 The Virginians pushed for the Constitution (did they know what Hamilton was up to) and ratified it. Jefferson believed in nullification but failed to propose an amendment that would formalize the process.

OpenID archerfisher21 April 29, 2017 6:13 PM  

Hey Vox, have you thought about making tracts/pamphlets? Like, Chick Tracks makes small, comic form gospel tracks for people to give out/leave around for people to find. What if you made something similar?

Anonymous BBGKB April 29, 2017 6:39 PM  

The English are four nations. England, Australia, New Zealand and Canada.

Are Perth and Sydney really the same nation?

Give the Hispanics 2 more generations. And, they work their ass off. And you know it.

4th gen Hispanics have nothing on a fresh off the boat Asian 6 months later. You must be enjoying by ban concerning Hispanics behind the Home Depot, but they work very hard/stupid.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 29, 2017 6:45 PM  

"I think we need Tom Kratman and to reform the town, Victoria style."

There are not enough trees on the Common for all the required hangings, and, assuming the GBA, for Cambridge, we'd end up nailing the Hahhhvahhd professoriat, amongst others, to the walls of houses for lack of free lumber.

Blogger Lazarus April 29, 2017 6:46 PM  

archerfisher21 wrote:Hey Vox, have you thought about making tracts/pamphlets? Like, Chick Tracks makes small, comic form gospel tracks for people to give out/leave around for people to find. What if you made something similar?

You could do it.

Blogger Lazarus April 29, 2017 6:49 PM  

Kraut wrote:Give the Hispanics 2 more generations. And, they work their ass off.

What part of "Protestant Work Ethic" don't you understand?

(I almost published Protestant Wok Ethic, which would be one perverse cooking show.)

Blogger VD April 29, 2017 6:50 PM  

Give the Hispanics 2 more generations. And, they work their ass off. And you know it. Finally, what is needed and what always happens when a community begins moving up to lower middle class values is a desire for the next generation to have more. And that's already happening.

Hispanics have been in the United States longer than it has been the United States. It's not happening. Period.

Blogger Lazarus April 29, 2017 6:54 PM  

Kraut wrote:Ethno Nationalism always leads to immoral subjugation and war.

If you are really a Kraut, you should know that German ethno nationalism was the result of a previous war and immoral subjugation.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 29, 2017 7:10 PM  

Kraut wrote:Ethnic nationalists alway miss the obvious thing: community + Time = ideological assimilation. 'Twas ever thus.
Civic nationalists always think community is a matter of paperwork and forced integration.

Blogger weka April 29, 2017 7:14 PM  

Australia is a commonwealth made up of a bunch of (until 1901) independant colonies. NZ was invited to join. We declined. The option for union is still there. We are not taking it.

So, BGKB, they were originally different countries. Like Virginia and New York before the constitution.

Tom, I dated the separation of the English colonies from the crown in the USA to the revolution. Before that they were like the Canadians but with better land -- English colonies.

And, referring to Harhvard, nuke it from orbit. Only way to make sure.

Anonymous Bobby Farr April 29, 2017 7:25 PM  

Who cares if the Mexicans work hard? Do I magically acquire the ability to choose my ethnicity based on working hard? This is more of the American=good guy nonsense. They work long hours in Japan. Guess most of them are Americans too.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 29, 2017 7:26 PM  

Please provide 3 examples of ethno-nationalism leading to "immoral subjugation".

Please note, Nazis were imperialists, not nationalists.

Anonymous b3k April 29, 2017 7:55 PM  

@20

I recall "pan-nationalism" being tried out here, and I rather liked it.

Omni-nationalism is the same word but with the prefix changed to match the Latin of "natio". Pan-ethnicism doesn't roll off the tongue as well.

Blogger tz April 29, 2017 8:03 PM  

It is not intellectual.

Alt-I-don't-give-a-damn-but-return-to-1960's-USA.

We all can sense something is critically wrong and that it is like cancer that if we dont fix it NOW we'll all be dead. West/lite/white is just brand names for the generic drug.

Blogger VD April 29, 2017 8:04 PM  

I recall "pan-nationalism" being tried out here, and I rather liked it.

I rejected it because it is too reminiscent of the EU approach.

Anonymous DMV April 29, 2017 8:27 PM  

Vox, you always say, "I prefer my societies pre-collapsed". That doesn't make sense. America is pre-collapsed, rapidly approaching the collapsed stage. AFTER that, America will be post-collapsed, as in post-apocalyptic.

Blogger ZhukovG April 29, 2017 8:28 PM  

@kraut: I have lived in Florida, New Mexico and Southern California. I have experience living in proximity to a number of different Spanish and Latin American population groups.

They have not assimilated, they will not assimilate.

Nations do not assimilate, they never have. At best the different nations living together blend into a new nation, primarily through intermarriage, but then the old nations are gone.

That's why, IMO, Japan and Poland don't want immigrants and why Russia encourages segregation through its system of autonomous republics.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable April 29, 2017 8:29 PM  

VD wrote:I recall "pan-nationalism" being tried out here, and I rather liked it.

I rejected it because it is too reminiscent of the EU approach.


I can dig it. And I also saw in this thread how "ethnic nationalism for all" hamstrings the "ethnic nationalism is a slippery slope to imperial aggression" hasbara (that doesn't even make any logical sense, because we're already there, and the American Nation very much wants to *end* the imperial aggression of the American State).

Blogger VD April 29, 2017 8:37 PM  

You're banned and spammed, Kraut and kraut. Don't comment here anymore.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 29, 2017 8:39 PM  

@63 Zhukov
Russia encourages segregation through its system of autonomous republics.

A holdover from the USSR which was a holdover from the Russian Empire. Autonomous republics that cede all foreign affairs to the central government is workable for some populations. It's in the direction of CH.

How long before Puerto Rico gets independence? Even if they don't really want it?

Anonymous teapartydoc April 29, 2017 8:49 PM  

I was about to reply to that last kraut post when he got banned. He just had to get personal when his arguments kept getting shot down. I was going to ask him how many of his Hispanic friends talked about Aztlan or had bumper stickers on their cars about it. Or how many were protesting against immigration enforcement.

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Anonymous Panzer Man April 29, 2017 8:54 PM  

Some stats for anyone interested in how well Hispanics align with the laws and customs of a white Anglo-Saxon nation:

https://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2017/04/courtesy-of-crime-and-enforcement.html

Anonymous Frogger2 April 29, 2017 8:57 PM  

"You're banned and spammed, Kraut and kraut. Don't comment here anymore."

Vox, you are getting a reputation for cowardliness. I"ll keep reading you, but you disappoint far more than you used to.

OpenID archerfisher21 April 29, 2017 9:01 PM  

Lazarus,

I've got no talent with drawing. So I'd personally make basic posters with microsoft word or just find decent posters online to print out.

Anonymous Bobby Farr April 29, 2017 9:04 PM  

Kraut must have been a troll. Too many cliches to be believable. "But some of my best friends are x, y, z so they are Americans" "X, y, z work hard. Therefore, let's not have immigration laws, nations or cultures" "Here are some empires that engaged in wars, which somehow discredits the nation state"

Blogger Ingot9455 April 29, 2017 9:06 PM  

Uncle Scrooge taught me to work smart, not hard. Being effective gets you further faster than grunting and straining.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 29, 2017 9:16 PM  

Kraut must have been a troll.

If you weren't certain of that by his third comment, keep working on your troll-dar, because he wasn't subtle. Seemed like everyone did a pretty good job of not taking the bait, though, so maybe we're learning.

Blogger Cerdic Ricing April 29, 2017 9:17 PM  

@67

That's completely wrong. He has enough reputation that I refuse to comment almost the entire time because I have less important to say than those with more experience (after making a fool of myself the first few comments), and a strong point here on enforcing rules and banning those that don't follow them, such as the loser in question.

Anonymous Pennywise April 29, 2017 9:18 PM  

Apparently, "omni-nationalism" was a term coined in 2006 by this man.

https://skrattaren.bitbucket.io/posts/omni-nationalism/

Anonymous A.B. Prosper April 29, 2017 9:30 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:Kraut must have been a troll.

If you weren't certain of that by his third comment, keep working on your troll-dar, because he wasn't subtle. Seemed like everyone did a pretty good job of not taking the bait, though, so maybe we're learning.


Glad he got banned.

As for Ttrolldar not only what he said but how it was said . My English is weird at times but its clearly my first language . The troll gave off a strong ESL vibe as if he wasn't a native speaker.

At times troll baiting can be a fun sport. Besides having an excuse to rebut any civic nationalism for any genuine newbies that may have wandered in sounded fun.

Still they are getting better and smarter . an effort to degrade the ideology shows a different tact than the usual name calling and "you lose racist" poo we get

That's got cost a few more Soros bucks than before



Anonymous Avalanche April 29, 2017 9:50 PM  

@47 "we'd end up nailing the Hahhhvahhd professoriat, amongst others, to the walls of houses for lack of free lumber."

Okay. Insulation!

Blogger Lazarus April 29, 2017 10:17 PM  

Frogger2 wrote:"You're banned and spammed, Kraut and kraut. Don't comment here anymore."

Vox, you are getting a reputation for cowardliness. I"ll keep reading you, but you disappoint far more than you used to.


I would describe it as tidiness. No one wants a cluttered workspace.

Anonymous BlackBarth April 29, 2017 10:51 PM  

@Lazarus

Echo Chambers tend to be uncluttered and tidy.

Blogger Sagramore April 29, 2017 10:54 PM  

@26 This is actually the bill of goods sold to Canucks in school. In reality it's more like Schengen Area. The con in CONfederation.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable April 29, 2017 11:28 PM  

A.B. Prosper wrote:At times troll baiting can be a fun sport. Besides having an excuse to rebut any civic nationalism for any genuine newbies that may have wandered in sounded fun.

I like to think that if it isn't even fun for the SDL to watch trolls get slaughtered, it must just not even be a contest, and no difficulty telling misguided friend from malicious foe.

In my opinion, we have collectively done a serious amount of intellectual work in the last couple years alone (I forget when I joined the conversation). Concepts have been articulated awkwardly and gradually refined; terms have been coined, then spread or discarded. Rhetorical weapons sharpened.

A.B. Prosper wrote:Still they are getting better and smarter . an effort to degrade the ideology shows a different tact than the usual name calling and "you lose racist" poo we get

Alternative hypothesis: they were always there, and it's our increasing volume and clarity of articulated concepts that makes them more perceptible.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 30, 2017 12:42 AM  

Here's a report on the Pikeville, KY rally and counter rally.

Two differences from Berkeley:

The rally in Pikeville was different from other recent rallies for a few reasons that may have quelled any potential violence. First, the police were very successful in keeping the two groups away from each other — the white supremacists parked in their own parking lot and were escorted from the rally by several officers as riot police kept the Antifas on the other side of the road.

and no masks. Not any.

Another factor that may have contributed to the lack of violence in Pikeville was a move made by the city commission prior to the rally. Last week, the commission issued an emergency ordinance banning masks and hoods in the downtown area during the rally.

Plus open carry. So a lot of yelling and nothing else.
Freedom of speech upheld. Locals apparently not particularly impressed with any of the out-of-towners. Imagine that.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 30, 2017 1:08 AM  

Shut up Scoobius

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable April 30, 2017 1:33 AM  

Frogger2 wrote:"I like to think that if it isn't even fun for the SDL to watch trolls get slaughtered..."

I didn't see any slaughter. I saw the beginning of a conversation that got stopped in its tracks before just as it was getting interesting. It's a shame there's no stomach to engage with the oppositioin.


Then you are new and irrelevant. There is enthusiasm on the part of the commentariat, and ennui on the part of the moderators. We love taking new scalps and they're tired of cleaning up the blood.

Anonymous Tenney April 30, 2017 1:57 AM  

Miscegenation a ``beautiful vision''? Hardly.

A world full of autonomous, racially homogeneous ethnostates? That's a beautiful vision, and would preserve the diverse peoples and cultures of the world.

Multiculturalism, even if it worked, would lead to a mono-racial and mono-cultural humanity. And so it would have to be opposed either way.

Blogger VD April 30, 2017 3:08 AM  

Vox, you are getting a reputation for cowardliness.

Yes, I see people discussing how frightened of debate I am all the time on Twitter and Gab. It's probably what I'm chiefly known for these days.

Now, shut up, Scoobius.

Blogger VD April 30, 2017 3:09 AM  

Still they are getting better and smarter . an effort to degrade the ideology shows a different tact than the usual name calling and "you lose racist" poo we get

That's because they're trying to avoid getting spammed on the very first comment.

Blogger Luke April 30, 2017 3:21 AM  

37. Vikki Wilson April 29, 2017 5:49 PM

""Omni-Nationalism" is an inspired coinage and stands four-square as the full alternative to "multiculturalism". If it applies to all peoples, it is a Universal concept and its universalism necessarily entails a rejection of race supremacism. Great !

Omni-Nationalism is an rhetorical tool for nationalists to speak - especially on multiculturalism - to people where they are.

Omninationalism deserves to be picked up and disseminated."


The concept of omni-nationalistm, absolutely.
The actual term may be maladroit. Too many people are going to associate it with the self-styled "omnisexual" weirdos coming up periodically in the news along with the transexuals, the ubiquitous (at least in the media) queers, the "pansexuals" deeply rooted in the more libtard colleges, etc., that normals are sick of all of that genre. This mental association need not be any less powerful for being largely unconscious, and will make fighting it much more difficult. For that reason, I suspect that the term "omninationalist" may end up being poor rhetoric. There has to be a better term potentially weaponizable against the anti-white/anti-Founding-Fathers' America that gets across that "everyone deserves a homeland".

Blogger wreckage April 30, 2017 4:06 AM  

"Too many people are going to associate it with the self-styled "omnisexual" weirdos coming up periodically in the news along with the transexuals"

.... no, they are not. And to the extent that it chaffs the SJW radar, it's just another win.

Blogger wreckage April 30, 2017 4:12 AM  

Absolute and complete rubbish. Those are Imperial states during openly Imperialist policy. South Africa and Euro Imperialism in Africa demonstrate the PROBLEMS with multi ethnic states.

Hell, I'm civic nationalist and I can see that your points are bunk!


"Ethno Nationslist nation always think they are better fit to rule over other, resulting in death and destruction: Antebellum U.S, Germany, Italy, South Africa, euro imperialism in Africa. They can't help but hurt others."

Anonymous joe camel April 30, 2017 5:10 AM  

Mostly agree, but Imperial Britain generally was win/win for those countries that were part of it. The trick to successful United Kingdom is to ensure regional autonomy, like America did with the original federal republic prior to the civil war.

Anonymous Tenney April 30, 2017 5:13 AM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Shut up Scoobius

That's certainly a quality comment that does not warrant deletion. Joke, you're surrounded! Show yerself!

And I stand by what I wrote: multiculturalism would have to be opposed regardless of if it `works', as it leads to miscegenation, which sucks. It's also an attempt to build the Tower of Babel.

I'm mixed Alpine/Nordic myself, I know what I'm talking about.

Blogger Vikki Wilson April 30, 2017 5:14 AM  

The reservations of those who don't trust ethno-nationalist states to abide by Westphalian principle are reasonable and accord with history. Peoples do have competing interests and the strong have always preyed upon the weak.

This is a serious issue for the ethno-nationalist proponent to address. Ethnic nations may well be more natural and support a richer and internally cohesive culture but then so is realpolitik between nations.
So how do nationalists rebut "Globalism for world peace"?

Blogger Vikki Wilson April 30, 2017 5:32 AM  

Coinage of "omninationalism"
73.  Pennywise

"Apparently, "omni-nationalism" was a term coined in 2006 by this man."

https://skrattaren.bitbucket.io/posts/omni-nationalism/ "

Pennywise, I notice the author here attributes a different (as in opposite)"intersectional" meaning to his use of the term.

Anonymous Rocklea April 30, 2017 5:34 AM  

While I'm not opposed to the term omni-nationalist, for some reason, I can hear a David Attenborough nature documentary playing in my mind.

David Attenborough:
The Globalist is an omnivorous, ogre like creature, with an insatiable appetite. It's preferred diet is the nation state, and national economies. The more diverse these nations are, the easier they are to digest. Recently, the Globalist, was halfway through digesting the United Kingdom, when one of the constituent nation's, England, became toxic. The toxicity of England, caused indigestion, and the Globalist retched and vomited out the entire United Kingdom in a process which came to be known as the Brexit. It seems as though the more threatened a homogeneous nation feels, the less digestible it is for the Globalist. Sadly the Globalist is now on the endangered species list. Without an uptick in civic nationalism,he may become extinct.

While I would not suggest homo-nationalist, how about Blood-Nationalist?
Blood-Nationalism would speak to a broad audience, and get people thinking of family, heritage and posterity.

Anonymous Rien April 30, 2017 6:13 AM  

Omni-Nationalism: Libertarianism for countries.

Blogger Nathan Rinne April 30, 2017 8:54 AM  

Vox:

"Imperialism is a zero-sum game. Civic nationalism is a zero-sum game. In both cases, a nation has to lose in order for another nation to benefit."

Vikki:

"So how do nationalists rebut "Globalism for world peace"?"

Do both visions, not, in fact, hearken to some kind of notion of equality? Or something that resonates with this idea of equality in us?

+Nathan

Anonymous BBGKB April 30, 2017 9:21 AM  

agree, but Imperial Britain generally was win/win for those countries that were part of it.

The 5th president of Zambia Michael Sata said "We want the Chinese to leave and the old colonial rulers to return. They exploited our natural recourses too, but at least they took good care of us. They built schools, taught us their language and brought us British civilization. At least western capitalism has a human face; the Chinese are only out to exploit us."

Anonymous glosoli April 30, 2017 9:35 AM  

US Marines back in Helmand, first time since 2014.
Go Trump.
Israelis and Philippines ramping up the rhetoric on North Korea (they literally want to destroy the world apparently).
Trump and Duterte best buddies.
Was there an election in the US?
Nominally perhaps.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 30, 2017 10:55 AM  

@glosoli, you've been commenting here for 3 whole months, and in all that time, I've not heard you say one smart thing.

Anonymous glosoli April 30, 2017 11:16 AM  

I'm not given to making childish rude comments like yours, preferring to comment on issues.

But feel free to carry on in that vein, if that's what being *smart* is all about, you're the man.

Blogger wreckage April 30, 2017 11:18 AM  

"So how do nationalists rebut "Globalism for world peace"?"

Globalism, as in, the modern political version, not the old idea that countries could trade to mutual benefit, is indistinguishable from Imperialism. It is, in observable fact, Imperialism.

Imperialism has NEVER resulted in peace; whereas omni-nationalism coupled with hegemony, ie., the post WW2 to roughly mid 90's model, brought the longest period of peace the world has ever seen.

The Napoleonic wars were caused by Imperialism, as was WW1, and WW2. Rational, Enlightenment Imperialism was discarded in disgust after it caused the bloodiest warfare in human history; and the Western world settled into broad monocultures that traded freely and maintained stable borders.

It only took about 40 years for the memories to fade, and in the last decade or two every lesson learned from that mountain of human corpses has been declared heresy, and discarded.

We are right back to Rational Enlightenment Imperialism, and it is only a matter of time before the intra-national and international warfare once again begins its steady upward spiral.

Anonymous Pennywise April 30, 2017 11:52 AM  

Vikki...I notice the author here attributes a different (as in
opposite) "intersectional" meaning to his use of the term.

Indeed, which indicates to me that this concept means something different to different people. Hence, there will be endless debate as to what is its "true" meaning.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper April 30, 2017 1:23 PM  

wreckage wrote:It only took about 40 years for the memories to fade, and in the last decade or two every lesson learned from that mountain of human corpses has been declared heresy, and discarded.

We are right back to Rational Enlightenment Imperialism, and it is only a matter of time before the intra-national and international warfare once again begins its steady upward spiral.



Yep. And this time without any incentive given to surrender (the US for example tortures and or executes sometimes by proxy enemy leaders) in a fragile world with precision guidance, nukes, chemical weapons and increasingly cheap and easy germ warfare.

Given how cheap home genetic engineering is becoming and the fact that apparently terrorists were able to destroy Brazil's entire chocolate crop and Eucalyptus in California with bio weapons a decade ago and were never caught, someday some enemy is going to take advantage of fragile mono-cropping and induce a possible global famine.

I'm thinking maybe you need a decade of stored food, minimum and maybe a hermetically sealed green house in a vault to make it though this mess.

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis April 30, 2017 2:42 PM  

One thing missing from this conceptual discussion is the impact of mega-corporations. They have great power and many of them have greater assets and capital than many countries. The theme of the mega-corps was explored for a while in the original "cyber-punk" fiction.

Their great weakness is that countries can confiscate their assets. Their great strength is the ability to strip assets from weak countries, and simply move away when the countries use military force against them.

In the fiction, what the mega-corps gained was the ability to own and use their own private military forces. This can and will happen whenever countries grow too weak to prevent this from happening.

Nation states may be analogous to the early farming civilizations (who are fixed in geographical space), while the mega-corps may be analogous to herding societies who can move their herds, or hunter-gather societies; neither of who have to be fixed in geographical states.

The current H1B situation in the USA is an example of where the mega-corps are effectively exploiting the USA by moving their "hunters" into the territory of the USA.

This analogy has some weaknesses but also has a perspective that is useful to consider.

Blogger Anthony April 30, 2017 5:38 PM  

In the 1690s, Carlos II dropped the requirement that administrators of New Spain learn native languages, and ordered that all colonial business be conducted in Spanish. By 1778, Carlos III had offed that all the natives be educated in Spanish. The independent government of Mexico continued that policy, and tried to suppress the native languages in favor of Spanish, until the 1990s.

Lots Angeles County social services has a big need for college-educated puddle who also speak Nahuatl, Purepecha, and 50-some other naive languages of Mexico.

Tell me again about how well Mexicans assimilate to other cultures?

That said, white or 3/4 white Mexicans do generally assimilate into white American society. Their success in doing so kept the Bushes and their Texas cronies from noticing that Mexican immigration had become A Problem for far longer than they should have.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 30, 2017 6:03 PM  

Well...the Spanish had a rather sensible approach to intermarriage. Anyone could marry an India. The resulting children were mestizos, and had some legal debilities, but also some rights and standing that pure idios did not. Mestizo could marry mestiza and their kids would be mestizo. If, however, they married up then the kids, now 3/4 European, would be Castizo, with more rights and respect than mestizos had. Another generation of marrying up and they became Criollo, which was legally indistinguishable from Peninsulares. Now, one might look at that as a racial purity measure, and it may have contained some of that. It was also, however, a general means of measuring memes and values, a means of measuring Spanish cultural assimilation, without any necessary reference to genetics. After all, were they concerned with purity they'd have never permitted Criollos to be considered Spanish. Moreover, considering that skin color didn't necessarily follow genetics, producing some very dark criollos and very light mestizos, they weren't overly hung up on that, either.

Blogger Vikki Wilson May 01, 2017 7:47 AM  

Pennywise wrote: On Omninationalism and the competing definitions.

"Indeed (there are different meanings of "Omninationalism)...this concept means something different to different people. Hence, there will be endless debate as to what is its "true" meaning"

Yeah But. Which meaning of "Omninationalism" is likely to gain currency?

The chap who use it to describe multiple identities in one person. (Obscure paper developing a refinement of intersectionality) or as a term used by an ascendant alt-right to describe a cardinal principle of their nationalism.

It depends on which meaning gains currency. In this instance I'd bet on the latter.

Blogger Vikki Wilson May 01, 2017 7:56 AM  

#99 Wreckage wrote
On how to rebut the argument that ethno nationalist states tend to war.

Your answer is Pax Americana: a Hegemon that can enforce peace. But how does the Hegemon that guarantees peace get to be? Not entirely peacefully, perhaps.

I don't disagree with your analysis but I'm concerned with developing a strong rebuttal.

Blogger Vikki Wilson May 01, 2017 7:58 AM  

I?'m not sure if anyone else was amused by Merkel's comment that Putin "was in a world of his own...this the 21st century" and sure enough he obtained Crimea and stopped the EU in the Ukraine. Hilarious.

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Blogger Vikki Wilson May 01, 2017 8:38 PM  

Finally Vox, I just can't see how a world of ethno-nationalist states is any recipe for World Peace.

That Omninationalism would be no worse is the highest I could put it. I think Nationalism stands on its own merits without needing to facilitate world peace.

Blogger Mr Darcy May 02, 2017 12:55 PM  

@ Kratman:

Sorry, but no. Tens of millions of us are, in fact, not "them" or "us" or "you," your charming fairy tale notwithstanding. Tens of millions of us are the descendants of settlers; colonists, not immigrants. Hence organizations such as the Jamestowne Society and the DAR & SAR, etc.

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