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Monday, April 03, 2017

Yes, average IQ matters

Sure, accidents happen. But you don't often get a series of accidents like this unless you've lowered a society's average IQ by at least half a standard deviation or so.
The fire was started by a man smoking crack under the bridge in an area north of downtown Atlanta where the state of Georgia stores noncombustible, construction materials, authorities said. It rapidly grew with smoke billowing high above the city's skyline. It didn't take long before chunks of concrete weakened by the high heat began flying off the bridge, leaving firefighters to scramble away for safety. No one was injured.

Basil Eleby was charged with first-degree arson and first-degree property damage. He remains in jail on a $200,000 bond. Two other people with him were charged with criminal trespass, authorities said.

The closed section of I-85 is a key link to Atlanta's northern and northeast suburbs. It carries about 400,000 vehicles a day in a city where there are surprisingly few alternative routes for its size.
One has the impression that the Atlanta reporter understands the meaning of "combustible" about as well as he does comma placement.

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OpenID aew51183 April 03, 2017 4:39 AM  

As a former resident of the area, I'd just like to point out the decisions for the highway routes (and the decision to merge them at the city's center to safe costs which has subsequently resulted in horrific traffic) were made in the Eisenhower era when this was built.

The malfeasance and cost-cutting go all the way back to the mid-50's, and not one official or state agency has bothered to fix it.

Anonymous JAG April 03, 2017 4:42 AM  

One has the impression that the Atlanta reporter understands the meaning of "combustible" about as well as he does comma placement.

I LOL'd. First thing I noticed when reading it.

Blogger SteelPalm April 03, 2017 4:49 AM  

Very keen in pointing out that it's average IQ that is a determining factor.

IQ in an individual is a predictor with great variance. That is, it frequently fails. A person with 90 IQ can be more intelligent and competent than one with an IQ of 100.

However, the IQ of a population of millions is always relevant.

A society with an IQ of 100 is always going to be more intelligent and functional than one with an average IQ of 96, let alone 90.

And yes, I have noticed the increasingly illiteracy of newspapers.

Anonymous Eric the Red April 03, 2017 4:50 AM  

@1: The trolls are going to start out with moral equivalence today.

Anonymous engineer April 03, 2017 4:55 AM  

you are all wrong. noncombustable does not mean it will not burn. UL defines classes a materials as noncombustables based on the results of a specific astm test and it just has to resist ignation and spread for a certain time, like 10 seconds in some cases.

now this bridge failing due to heat is a very common occurance, i have seen it atleast 5 times, normally we dont see the bridge section collapse but major structural damage is common... infact if there is a car fire on an overpass or any elevated structure you are required to inspect for signs of heat stress before the trafic can be allowed to continue and must follow up with a full unspeaction with a week.

Blogger Koanic April 03, 2017 5:02 AM  

This is your bridge.

This is your bridge on crack.

This is a black day for Atlanta. I checked and Basil is likely English, given his midnight hue.

Blogger Billy Ray April 03, 2017 5:05 AM  

don't blame the reporter, the news person is repeating what AUTHORITIES said. Ga DOT spox said non combustible construction materials.
"state of Georgia stores noncombustible, construction materials, authorities said."

Read the story more closely, then comment. proof even a 150 iq does not mean you can read and understand

Anonymous Eric the Red April 03, 2017 5:07 AM  

From UL document 'Noncombustible Building Materials':

"The International Building Code makes
many references to noncombustible materials
in which the term noncombustible is
not defined. However, when the term is
applied to the definitions for the Types of
Construction in Chapter 6, noncombustible
materials are defined through testing in
accordance with ASTM E 136, “Standard
Test Method for the Behavior of Materials
in a Vertical Tube Furnace at 750°C.”
As such, the design professional and/or
contractor needs to identify products
that meet the code requirements for
noncombustible materials when specifying
materials to be used in the applications
defined by the Types of Construction.
One method of doing this is through
the use of materials that are listed by
Underwriters Laboratories Inc. under the
product category “Noncombustible Building
Materials” or which are authorized by
UL to bear an adjunct marking indicating
compliance with ASTM E 136.

ASTM E 136 describes a fire test method
whereby a 1-1/2 by 1-1/2 by 2 in high test
specimen is inserted within a 3 in. diameter
refractory tube preheated to 750°C.
The specimen is left in the chamber for
a maximum of 30 minutes. Section 8 of
ASTM E 136 specifies the test material is
to be considered as noncombustible when
at least three of the four test specimens
conform to the following criteria:
• When the weight loss of the specimen is
50% or less, the recorded temperature
of the surface and interior thermocouples
shall not at any time during the test
rise more than 30°C above the furnace
temperature at the beginning of the test
and there shall be no flaming from the
specimen after the first 30 seconds.
• When the weight loss of the specimen
exceeds 50%, the recorded temperature
of the surface and interior thermocouples
shall not at any time during the test
rise above the furnace temperature at
the beginning of the test and there shall
be no flaming from the specimen."

Blogger VD April 03, 2017 5:07 AM  

noncombustable does not mean it will not burn.

That totally is not evidence of declining average IQ.... The reporter may or may not have correctly reported the federal classification of the materials, but that does not change the fact that the government defining "wet" as being dry does not magically make the water go away.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J April 03, 2017 5:09 AM  

"One has the impression that the Atlanta reporter understands the meaning of "combustible" about as well as he does comma placement."

Thank you for noticing the comma placement. I don't know why that is important to me at 5:08 a.m. but it is. Bless you, sir!

Anonymous engineer April 03, 2017 5:10 AM  

Civil contractors are required to seperate materials on site so its very possible they were told it was non combustable materials storage because that what it was... dont require the reporter or the blogger to understand what it means.

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook April 03, 2017 5:11 AM  

I blame the quality of the crack that was soo good it made non-combustible material combustible. That stuff is worth every penny.

Blogger VD April 03, 2017 5:12 AM  

don't blame the reporter, the news person is repeating what AUTHORITIES said

That is precisely what I'm blaming him for. Although I suspect the creative approach to punctuation is his own. As Eric the Red has pointed out, "noncombustible" doesn't even necessarily mean anything... except for the fact that we possess a considerable quantity of evidence indicating that those noncombustibles were, in fact, combustible.

Anonymous D Rex April 03, 2017 5:12 AM  

From the dictionary:

noncombustible
adjective
1.
not flammable.

But i'm sure that a 10 000 word definition from a team of government bureaucrats is more correct than the simple 2 word definition.

OpenID hornofthemark April 03, 2017 5:14 AM  

Vox:

You talk more about IQ than Time to Civilization these days. Is the latter just the gradual increase of the former in a group or do you see IQ as just one factor in TtC?

Blogger NCD April 03, 2017 5:17 AM  

Though you can be sure if Trump reported the material was noncombustible the press would be all over the seemingly misclassification.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J April 03, 2017 5:23 AM  

Something did indeed combust, however, and other somethings continued to catch fire.

So, let us rack up a few indicators of falling average IQ: either misplaced or mis-classified materials storage, a reporter who is inept with details, and a city whose planners leave few routes in and out of its highly traveled areas.

The crackhead's contribution to the declining IQ is a given. Surely, with rehab, a proper education, and Affirmative Action on his side, he can BE the man who designs the new bridges and be the savior of Atlanta.

Anonymous Grayman April 03, 2017 5:26 AM  

For more fun in Atlanatian infrastructure,book at their water supply. They have 1 main reservoir, lake Lanier and are scrambling to get 2 new reservoirs up and running after the recent droughts caused substantial water problems. It's another case of not planning for the future.

Having lived in the Atlanta area at one point, I frastructure was always a hot debate because the mostly white suburbs didn't want to make it easier for the dindu horde to move out of the city center into the nicer areas.

Fortunately I left that vibrant city long ago.

Anonymous engjneer April 03, 2017 5:29 AM  

@14.. UL is not a government agency.. you should appreciate that there are terminology used by certain professions that mean very specific things, this is one of those cases.. looking up in websters and copying the definition is snarky but doesnt change the fact that you are wrong. Theres lots of things that point to a decreasing IQ of the population.

Blogger VD April 03, 2017 5:30 AM  

You talk more about IQ than Time to Civilization these days. Is the latter just the gradual increase of the former in a group or do you see IQ as just one factor in TtC?

The latter. Time preferences and group preferences are also significant factors.

Blogger Wolfman at Large April 03, 2017 5:34 AM  

This is why you don't cut your crack with thermite.

Blogger JP April 03, 2017 5:41 AM  

If the material couldn't catch fire, how big was the guy's crack pipe? South Africans here might be reminded of the legend of Van Hunks smoking his pipe on Table Mountain.

Anonymous Rocklea April 03, 2017 5:49 AM  

Authorities saying noncombustible, means not our fault. Crackhead's are very resourceful when engaging in property damage. This one was probably smoking with an oxy acetylene torch. Gotta really work to ignite those noncombustible combustibles.

Blogger Me-man April 03, 2017 5:51 AM  

I would say two recent events much more indicative of marginal IQ (no element of an accident involved) are the Oroville Dam problems, and the Flint Michigan municipal water crisis. The former has large elements of bad judgment and neglect. The later is just foolishness on a level which is hard to comprehend given all the governmental levels of oversight for municipal water. Incompetence on a grand scale.

Anonymous Esmar Tuek April 03, 2017 5:51 AM  

I've had an H&S inspector tell me that "inflammable" means "fireproof"

Anonymous Grayman April 03, 2017 5:53 AM  

LOL :)

Blogger praetorian April 03, 2017 6:00 AM  

War is peace
Noncombustible is combustible
Freedom is potato

Anonymous Eric the Red April 03, 2017 6:04 AM  

@19:
UL uses standard engineering tests, they do not come up with their own in lieu of what is already out there and accepted by engineering committes, boards, orgnizations, building codes, etc. etc. etc.

Go back and read for the details this time.
BTW, since I have to explain these simple ideas to you, I doubt you are any kind of engineer.

Blogger JACIII April 03, 2017 6:04 AM  

"inflammable" is one of those opposite words when it crosses the pond. Yes. I know it is the "English" language.

Another example of lower average IQ and a societal willingness to cater to retards.

Anonymous james@wpc April 03, 2017 6:06 AM  

I blame the reporter and charge incompetence. And it's AP, for goodness sake. Vox is right.

If his IQ ventures into triple digits, then he should have instantly recognised that he was repeating an apparent contradiction and he should have pursued that contradiction and THEN written up his report. But he didn't. He is not doing his job and wasting our time into the bargain.

Contradictions cannot exist in reality. When faced with an apparent contradiction, you are looking at either missing information or wrong information or both. If reporters pursued the myriad contradictions that come out of the mouths of professional bodies, govt orgs and politicians mouths, we would have a halfway decent media with a subsequent raise in the mean IQ of journos.

Which ever way you cut it, this guy fell down on the job. Logical thinking seems to be a 'bridge too far' for him.

Anonymous Rocklea April 03, 2017 6:08 AM  

Damn, I just bought an inflammable lighter. Now I'm gunna have to take it back. It has to go back. Oh, wait, no, it works. Phew, now I get the bridge.

Anonymous Lawyer Guy April 03, 2017 6:10 AM  

Me-man wrote:*** and the Flint Michigan municipal water crisis. *** The later is just foolishness on a level which is hard to comprehend given all the governmental levels of oversight for municipal water. Incompetence on a grand scale.

Flint is the perfect storm of Dems. White Dem multigenerational class for the House seat sponsored a boondoggle water project so their clique could profit. At the same time the GOP Gov who isn;t all their good at governing put a Black emergency manager over a not too bright but very corrupt city government of Whites and Blacks together.

They switched from clean Detroit water to river water to force the project forward at the same time the city employees got sticky fingers and stopped putting the additives in and the EM looked the other way.

The system is so far under design flow they couldn't get it flushed in any decent amount of time once the lead started dissolving to levels that local hospital docs could measure in kid's bodies.

Blogger Me-man April 03, 2017 6:18 AM  

@32
Partially correct. *under design flow* is not the real problem. The real problem is the river water without additives for anti-corrosion removed the patina on the lead pipes in the system. It takes time for this to remedy itself after restoration of the proper PH.

Anonymous Deplorable Winning April 03, 2017 6:21 AM  

Eric the Red wrote:ASTM E 136 describes a fire test method

whereby a 1-1/2 by 1-1/2 by 2 in high test
specimen is inserted within a 3 in. diameter
refractory tube preheated to 750°C.
The specimen is left in the chamber for
a maximum of 30 minutes. Section 8 of
ASTM E 136 specifies the test material is
to be considered as noncombustible when
at least three of the four test specimens
conform to the following criteria:


Here's the problem right here. The fourth Section 8 test specimen is the ones the Ga DOT purchased from the low bidder.

Blogger Ceerilan April 03, 2017 6:23 AM  

From what I read, this wasn't a construction site. It was a supply storage area for government owned surplus "noncombustible" items that can be seen acting as an accelerant in news videos.

Georgia State contracting is thoroughly corrupt, and the oversight organizations aren't competent to deal with it. Here is an example of the most prominent engineering school in Georgia having a parking deck collapse: https://failures.wikispaces.com/Centergy+Parking+Deck+Collapse

@18
According to infogalactic, Congress never authorized Lake Lanier to be used as a water supply for metro Atlanta. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Lanier
When the north GA drought hit, the first thing they did was to send lawyers out looking for neighboring states to sue for extra water rights. This is so they didn't have to purchase water from their neighbors. Source: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2017/feb/26/floridruling-could-have-implications-georgia-/414769/

Blogger Jonathan Wales April 03, 2017 6:27 AM  

That would be non-flammable, not inflammable.

Blogger Stilicho April 03, 2017 6:46 AM  

Give the reporter a break, I'm sure he's worried about the criminal trespass charges pending against him.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer April 03, 2017 6:51 AM  

The real low IQ aspect of this is storing large quantities of anything under a bridge. Almost anything will burn if you pile it up and supply a good draft and ignition source to it. A bridge is a very good draft system so the state supplied 2 elements of this disaster and the crack head obliged them on the last. It was further negligence because, as people have pointed out, it is a well know phenomena that bridges fail when near too much heat for too long.

Anonymous Silly but True April 03, 2017 6:57 AM  

"The fourth Section 8 test specimen is the ones the Ga DOT purchased from the low bidder."

Cleary it was the Section 8 crackhead that was the problem.

This good samaritan, in the process of smoking up some good shit, encountered what appeared to be noncombustible, construction materials, which he otherwise knew from his 140 IQ to be highly combustible fiber optic cable. So using his in situ heat applicator, he proceeded to test the UL rating and/or confirm his own hypothesis that the materials were highly flammible, so as to prevent a catastrophe.

Blogger 4499 April 03, 2017 7:01 AM  

"No worries, 'Scro! There's lots of 'tards out there leading kick-ass lives! My first wife was 'tarded. She's a pilot now."

Anonymous VFM #6306 April 03, 2017 7:14 AM  

That was no journalist. That was the Associated Press.

Anonymous Uncle Maffoo April 03, 2017 7:19 AM  

Inflammable means flammable?

Anonymous NCMike April 03, 2017 7:31 AM  

So they were fake noncombustible materials.

Blogger The Kurgan April 03, 2017 7:33 AM  

Yup. Gyrnolists vaccum pump.

Blogger The Kurgan April 03, 2017 7:37 AM  

Vox, always with the #hatefacts and #evillogic.
Won't you think of the poor shrunken amygdalas?

Blogger rumpole5 April 03, 2017 7:52 AM  

In the 1980s and 90s our local criminal clerk's office was run by 5 or 6 middle aged and older ladies, who probably had high school educations. These ladies knew everything and missed nothing. In the early otts I went over to the courthouse to file a response and noticed that zit faced "pajama boys" and obese affirm. action types had replaced the grey haired ladies. Not too long thereafter I investigated the complaint of a police detective that one of his convicts had a life sentence reduced. I found that the convict, or an accomplice, had simply drafted a patently forged motion and order to reduce sentence, and filed the same. The documents were full of errors, signed by the wrong party, and addressed to the wrong judge. The grey haired lady clerks of yore would have made immediate inquiry before filing them, but the new class of clerks filed them without a glance. I, and possibly the meticulous police detective, have since retired. I hope that we have not been replaced by a similar class of pajama boy/ affirm. action police and prosecutor hires.

I would be willing to bet that a similar process took place with the custodian positions in the noncombustibles storage facility in Atlanta, to wit: a meticulous "grey hair" was replaced by some semi-conscious pajama boy millennial or affirmative action moron, and the lumber and gas cans were then thrown in with the rest, and all efforts to evict the crack addicts were discontiued.

Anonymous Garrulus April 03, 2017 7:58 AM  

vox this is just too symbolic, they are now literally raping the lamed men of europa http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4374836/Somalian-asylum-seeker-rapes-two-elderly-disabled-men.html

Anonymous Avalanche April 03, 2017 8:02 AM  

@6 "This is a black day for Atlanta."

EVERY day is a black day in Atlanta. Best possible reason to AVOID Atlanta!!

Blogger Basil Makedon April 03, 2017 8:11 AM  

I'm hardly one to be criticizing comma placement but they really turned that into word salad.

Anonymous Ryan ATL April 03, 2017 8:12 AM  

Yeah but the southern blondes in ATL tho

Anonymous Avalanche April 03, 2017 8:14 AM  

@18 "are scrambling to get 2 new reservoirs up and running after the recent droughts caused substantial water problems. It's another case of not planning for the future."

You left out that once tha (5-year!) drought (sort-of) receded, Atlantans and their suburban dwellers -- both black AND White -- immediately returned to MASSIVE water waste and a complete disinterest in cutting back for the future! The Lake is once again way way way below "needed levels" -- and "we' are still not even TRYING to cut back on water waste (much less water use!!) Who says what about short-time preferences?! {disgusted}

Still usin' it like we got it:
https://cmgajcjaybookman.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/110211lanier03_1172729a-1.jpg

http://www.forsythnews.com/section/1/article/32422/

Anonymous Grayman April 03, 2017 8:21 AM  

This seems apropo:

– Growing racial diversity in Houston is contributing to declining construction standards and aggravating the impact of natural disasters.

link

Anonymous Ryan ATL April 03, 2017 8:21 AM  

Apparently there are already more than a few websites saying this was a cover up for a bomb

Anonymous Avalanche April 03, 2017 8:22 AM  

@32 "Flint is the perfect storm of Dems. White Dem multigenerational class for the House seat sponsored a boondoggle water project so their clique could profit."

This is the prevarication I often see by people unwilling to actually accept and speak (write) the truth. PORTLAND ORE is a many many year Demo city. It's mostly clean, beautiful, and functioning.

(Although, granted, as the population darkens, so does Portland's future darken. STILL not the Dems screwing up the 'water supply'; it's Dems screwing up the demographics!

The problem is NOT Dems, it's negroes! If you will NOT face that, and speak that, then you will NEVER address the actual problem! 9WHat's the old saw: 90% of solving a problem is CORRECTLY IDENTIFYING the problem?!

Anonymous Avalanche April 03, 2017 8:25 AM  

@45 "Vox, always with the #hatefacts and #evillogic.
Won't you think of the poor shrunken amygdalas?"

Are amygdalas flammable or inflammable?

Anonymous Avalanche April 03, 2017 8:28 AM  

@50 "Yeah but the southern blondes in ATL tho"

RESCUE them, then, and take them away to White America!

Anonymous RC April 03, 2017 8:29 AM  

Decreasing IQ + Maleducation = Civilizational Collapse

Anonymous Rocklea April 03, 2017 8:36 AM  

@55 "Are amygdalas flammable or inflammable?"

Both, the're quantum amygdalas.

Blogger Joe Doakes April 03, 2017 8:36 AM  

I wonder if the reporter made the error, or if some editor said "the whole flammable-inflammable thing is too confusing, change it to non-combustible."

Anonymous Grayman April 03, 2017 8:37 AM  

Avalanche @54

Its loss of culture, loss of integrity. As the low trust cultures replace the high trust culture that built all of the infrastructure it is bound to fall apart.
We built our complex large scale infrastructure based on a high trust society and it takes a high trust society to maintain it. It takes integrity at all levels or the rot of corruption takes hold.
If you look at places like south africa it appears that white infrastructure can survive for a few decades being mismanaged and neglected before it completely falls apart.


Anonymous Ominous Cowherd April 03, 2017 8:40 AM  

Avalanche wrote:Are amygdalas flammable or inflammable?

Yes. With a sufficiently exuberant oxidizer, they would be hypergolic. Maybe chlorine tri-flouride.

Blogger dc.sunsets April 03, 2017 8:40 AM  

societal willingness to cater to retards

Ineptitude is Strength
Diversity trumps Ability
Literally-Hitler is Satan

Of course retards are catered to. The lower the IQ, the more Diversity Pokemon Points claimed, the greater the number of "diagnoses" accumulated, the more resources are to be allocated to that individual from those with fewer of the above qualities.

This is the Universalist, Equalist Theocracy in a nutshell; to those who are less (capable or useful), from those who are more.

This isn't (economic) Marxism. It's not Cultural Marxism. It's an attempt to create a Perfect Utopia, a sort of This Perfect Day.

If you really distill it down to its essence, the main sacrament of the West's Universal Theocracy is EQUILIBRATION.

Affirmative action.
Open-borders.
Special Ed inculsion in schools.

It is ALL about turning the world into a mud-colored, room-temperature IQ cesspit.

Blogger Robert Coble April 03, 2017 8:41 AM  

I can only hope that "engineer" is posting satirical comments, and is NOT a practicing engineer. @5: I would seriously hate the idea that he might conduct a "full unspeaction" of anything, much less something related to engineering.

Being charitable, perhaps English as a second language might have been a bridge too far.

As for comas (sic):

A panda walks into a café. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and proceeds to fire it at the other patrons.

"Why?" asks the confused, surviving waiter amidst the carnage, as the panda makes towards the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"Well, I'm a panda," he says. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry in the manual and, sure enough, finds an explanation. "Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."


Eats, Shoots and Leaves - Lynne Truss

Anonymous Grayman April 03, 2017 8:43 AM  

I was genuinely impressed and see it as a sign tides are definitely turning; over the weekend my borderline SJW, goodthink liberal siser-inlaw actually admitted that sending every warm body to college was a horrible idea because most didn't belong there.
It was funny because even this admission is causing her to struggle and she certainly isn't willing to follow this on to its logic conclusions. But its progress!
At the same time her husband, a younger guy who just started as a college professor is struggling as well, because now that he has to try and teach all of the idiots advanced biology his liberal view of the world is falling apart.

Anonymous Esmar Tuek April 03, 2017 8:44 AM  

Inflammable means flammable?

hahaha, that's kinda what I imagined the 'elf and safety guy doing, insist we use petrol to give extra fire proofing to the fire doors. The English language isn't particularly logical.

Anonymous Grayman April 03, 2017 8:48 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Avalanche wrote:Are amygdalas flammable or inflammable?

Yes. With a sufficiently exuberant oxidizer, they would be hypergolic. Maybe chlorine tri-flouride.


You are going hardcore there..... I was just going to suggest hydrazine. At least that wont react through the floor like chlorine tri-flouride

Blogger Buybuydandavis April 03, 2017 8:56 AM  

Me-man wrote:I would say two recent events much more indicative of marginal IQ (no element of an accident involved) are the Oroville Dam problems, and the Flint Michigan municipal water crisis. The former has large elements of bad judgment and neglect. The later is just foolishness on a level which is hard to comprehend given all the governmental levels of oversight for municipal water. Incompetence on a grand scale.

Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy in action.

It's not that the people are necessarily incompetent. They may be extremely competent. They are just not optimizing the purported purposes of the organization.

They are organizational parasites. I suspect this is largely a cultural thing, with a lot of correlation to honesty. Honesty, reciprocity, playing fair, following the rules, doing your job. No reason to think these are universal cultural values.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) April 03, 2017 9:02 AM  

5. engineer April 03, 2017 4:55 AM
you are all wrong. noncombustable does not mean it will not burn.



this week i learned that engineers are no longer required to know how to speel.

or how to use a dictionary.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/noncombustible?s=t

i believe this might be yet another data point for lower modern IQ?

Blogger Happy LP9 April 03, 2017 9:07 AM  

Horror Show. DeKalb and Fulton know 85 needs alt routes.

85 is a southern nightmare, worst central planning ever, similar to the west coast I'd never travel to either places again.

The matter of reduced, shrinking IQs is worse than we can imagine considering in pharma sales its open knowledge many meds or drugs are cut with neurotoxins or brain damaging additives like fluoride and aspartame.

When the alt left riots (b/c I believe they are drugged into homicidal level violence) and surreal crimes take place, its an intelligence issue and also evil combined with stupidity where both have no bounds at all.

Anonymous Objective Observer April 03, 2017 9:12 AM  

The quoted area does not appear in the linked article. I just got off the phone with the writer, Mr. Hallicks and he could not have been a nicer guy. He apologized for the mistakes and when I told him where he could find it he was unable to find that passage.

He also said they didn't really believe the crack smoking vagrant set the place on fire angle either.



Was there some kind of mistake on your link, VD?

Blogger allyn71 April 03, 2017 9:14 AM  

Has anyone looked at the demographics of IQ distribution? Is the decline universal across the nation or is it the result of demographic changes and increases in the number of non-white people? Is the idiocracy coming true amongst whites? Can a nation be managed and controlled by a white minority ala South Africa and still have success?

I was thinking about this very topic this morning and was considering sending a "MailVox" email asking these questions when I saw this post.

PS it takes a special kind of sperg-a-tron to argue the definition of noncombustible while describing the materials that underwent combustion and fueled a massive fire that destroyed a highway overpass.

Anonymous Grayman April 03, 2017 9:21 AM  

@69 Happy,

Depending on whose numbers you look at, up to 1/4 of all women in the US are using antidepressants or other psych meds!!!!!
Many of these meds have long term impacts that seriously mess with brain chemistry and are rarely discussed.

Forget intentional nuro toxins and all of that, just the level of psychotropic meds being feed to the population is astounding.
And while this is entirely conjecture, I would suspect that the left and cucservatives are a much heavier consumer of psych meds like antidepressants then alt-right types are.

You have a major natural disaster or similar social disruption and these medicated types are the ones who promptly self-immolated, taking anyone near them along as well.

Blogger frigger611 April 03, 2017 9:32 AM  

Another gem of a closing statement. The comma is one mighty bit of punctuation.

A couple days ago on GAB someone posted a picture of a feminist march, one bright lady holding a sign that read:

No! More Rape

Anonymous Joe Blowe April 03, 2017 9:41 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:It is ALL about turning the world into a mud-colored, room-temperature IQ cesspit.

Like Peter Parker's fat "Hispanic" pal helping him do SCIENCE in the new painfully multi-cultural Spider-Man movie. The probable diabetic invader from the South looks like he is too dim to bake a cake following the instructions written in Spanish. Of course it all looks ridiculous even in a movie about a boy with radioactive spider blood but (((Hollywood))) has an agenda to push.

Anonymous Grayman April 03, 2017 9:43 AM  

allyn71 wrote:Has anyone looked at the demographics of IQ distribution? Is the decline universal across the nation or is it the result of demographic changes and increases in the number of non-white people? Is the idiocracy coming true amongst whites? Can a nation be managed and controlled by a white minority ala South Africa and still have success?

I was thinking about this very topic this morning and was considering sending a "MailVox" email asking these questions when I saw this post.

PS it takes a special kind of sperg-a-tron to argue the definition of noncombustible while describing the materials that underwent combustion and fueled a massive fire that destroyed a highway overpass.


While I cannot answer your direct question, I can provide insight into a parallel question. My state conduct extensive testing from 1st grade through highschool for all students and the testing is all publically available. The data goes back for more than 15 years and is high granular going down to race and income stats as well as a host of other similar granular level stats.
Having children I spent time going through this huge data set. The results are what you would expect. Even in the slums, the standard racial performances hold up with the asian>white>hispanic>black. The whites in the slum perform at the level of the median (socioeconomically) black. The socioeconomic level of a school and its district are directly correlated with the white and asian populations being greater than 75% of the student population.
General relative performance has been relatively stable for the top 10% to 15% of school districts for the last 15 years by for the bottom 2/3’s of districts there has been a trend towards lower performance. This trend follows the expected hierarchy of asian>white>hispanic>black with Asian performance dropping least and black dropping most.
Indian performance is widely varied. There are a hand full of very high performing Indians while a large percentage appear to perform around the level of blacks. The general performance amongst Indians seems to be bi-modal with a high performing subset and a low performing subset that form relatively distinct curves.

To address your direct questions, the decline seems to be multi-faceted. A large portion appears to be demographic with blacks and hispanics driving it. There is also a second facet of education increasingly becoming more propaganda less education. The higher performing groups seem to be less impacted but the impact does appear to be there as you would expect it to be and is seem across the board to various degrees.

Sure you could build a South Africa if you are willing to brutally enforce it, but why would you want to? You are virtually guaranteed uprisings by building such a society. We need to accept that a chihuahua is not a mastiff and everything that implies. They are both dogs but they have very different capabilities and requirements.
The coming global conflict should be interesting. We have been collectively breeding the least intelligent portion of our species and the individual races for about 3 generations now. It will be interesting to see if the high trust societies successfully purge themselves of the low trust societies, and probably a deterministic attribute as to which way we go as a collective species over the next few hundred years.

Blogger Pteronarcyd April 03, 2017 9:47 AM  

The link in the second sentence goes to a different article than the one quoted from above.

The quote says the facility stored "noncombustible, construction materials." I assume the comma is extraneous. Perhaps the intent was the facility contain only noncombustibles, but bureacrats got sloppy and began storing combustibles where they shouldn't have been stored.

Bureaucratic incompetence or corruption is a bigger story than someone not understanding the meaning of "combustible."

Blogger The Chortling April 03, 2017 9:49 AM  

PULLED! Story redirects to a more IQ-friendly rendition. Minus any journalistically combustible, shizzstorm materials.

930am EST when I looked.

Blogger Azimus April 03, 2017 9:50 AM  

5. engineer April 03, 2017 4:55 AM
you are all wrong. noncombustable does not mean it will not burn. UL defines classes a materials as noncombustables based on the results of a specific astm test and it just has to resist ignation and spread for a certain time, like 10 seconds in some cases.


This points to a much bigger problem, and the increasing dysfunction of societies where sophistication is increasing and low-IQ, and low-IQ-promoting-behaviors are also increasing.

I work in the plastics industry and have worked in PVC specifically. People take a lot of comfort in the concept of V-0, because of agencies like ASTM. I get it - my industry, all industries, need to provide a certain level of performance to the market so they can make purchases with confidence that it isn't going to burn their office down or kill their entire family.

However, these UL/ASTM tests are... well let's just say I've seen every loophole in the test leveraged with maximum possible license. I once worked with an airline equipment manufacturer who applied the required force load to be cabin legal over a course of 60 seconds - which was allowed according to the governing test. When does a plane go from 600mph to 0mph in 60 seconds? Belly landing, I suppose. But it was a clear loophole and not the spirit of the test.

How is the professional buyer let alone the average consumer going to understand all this? And in a world where acting dumb is almost glorified... we are doomed.

Anonymous Rocklea April 03, 2017 9:52 AM  

@ Grayman, dot or feather?

Blogger The Chortling April 03, 2017 9:52 AM  

original, compostable story.

http://archive.is/etzxz

Anonymous Grayman April 03, 2017 9:54 AM  

79, Rcoklea

Dot

Anonymous Rocklea April 03, 2017 10:00 AM  

Grayman, thought so. I have met many Indians, some really smart, some not. If you ask them about the caste system, they will say it does not exist anymore. Never believed them though.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 03, 2017 10:27 AM  

...the Oroville Dam problems...

For all it's problems, CA has several excellent engineering schools, among the best in the world. CalTech and Stanford, if you've got money, or UC Davis, UC San Diego and Berzerkely (yes, really) if you're on a bit of a budget. The two Cal Poly schools aren't bad either. If you grow up in CA, want to be an engineer, and have the grades, you can get a world-class engineering education at one of these schools.

The chief engineer at Oroville got his degree from Chico State. Chico State's claim to fame is that it has been one of the top party schools in the nation for decades (partly because nearby Lake Oroville makes for a great party spot).

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 April 03, 2017 10:35 AM  

Most major cities are just dumping grounds for welfare recipients and hipsters who don't really contribute anything of value but get paid nonetheless.

The US is rapidly reaching a point where we can roads and bridges or we can have welfare. We won't be able to support both.

Anonymous Silly but True April 03, 2017 10:46 AM  

The simple cause of Oroville dam is inability to serve two masters; the dam was constructed as a mixed use facility.

That means its purpose is two-fold.

First, it is intended to collect and store as much water in the reservoir as possible so the water authority can regulate water use and help CA fulfill its numerous water-rights obligations. CA makes a boatload of $ from this use.

Its second use is to make sure as little water is collected and stored in the reservoir to ensure it can act as a suitable flood control and mitigaton tool. It costs $ to be used this way.

Is the problem clear now?

Blogger Matt April 03, 2017 10:59 AM  

Dat be Da Okzfuhd comma, yo.

Blogger VD April 03, 2017 11:07 AM  

I was genuinely impressed and see it as a sign tides are definitely turning; over the weekend my borderline SJW, goodthink liberal siser-inlaw actually admitted that sending every warm body to college was a horrible idea because most didn't belong there.

You called her a racist homophobic bigot, I hope.

Anonymous Grayman April 03, 2017 11:17 AM  

VD,

Actually I called her a racist misogynist, as she acknowledged that women dont do as well in math and sciences. Then I told her I could use another beer. She got me the beer.

Anonymous Marvin Boggs April 03, 2017 11:22 AM  

To be fair to the Atlanta reporter, I've noticed that the quality of the writing (vocabulary, grammar, construction) and proof-reading in the media have declined greatly in the last decade or so. I had a friend who was an actual proof-reader for my local paper for his entire career. I'd say he's spinning in his grave, but in heaven, he has better things to do.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants April 03, 2017 11:27 AM  

No, this is an AVERAGE black day for us in Atlanta, with a collapsed bridge section. I'm now living 26 miles up I-85 N, from that spot, as part of the "white flight." My county now has 37% legal & approx 12% illegal immigrants. There's no escaping.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 03, 2017 11:29 AM  

The simple cause of Oroville dam is inability to serve two masters; the dam was constructed as a mixed use facility.

Nah, that contradiction would be easy to reconcile. You just balance the two needs against each other and find the equilibrium. Competent managers do this all the time.

The recent problem with Oroville is that - much like the confusion over what "combustible" means - the people running the damn didn't understand the difference between an Auxiliary Spillway and an Emergency Spillway. The Emergency Spillway at Oroville is intended as a last-ditch measure (automatic BTW) to save the main damn from being over-topped. It's a sacrificial structure, likely to destroy itself in use (better to lose 30 feet of the lake than 700 feet if the main damn failed). But the people running it thought they could use it as an Auxiliary Spillway.

The IQ to run a damn is probably something in the 110 to 120 region, so +1SD. If your average IQ is 100. If your average IQ has dropped to 90, then it's nearly +2SD... You'll still have some people smart enough to run a damn, but that's the same pool of people you need to run power plants, sewage treatment plants, hospitals, etc...

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants April 03, 2017 12:00 PM  

Speaking of clusterfucks in ATL, the area where the bridge is located, is under a tornado warning/severe thunderstorm warning/flash flood warning.
Good times here, IOW. I was born downtown in this god forsaken hell hole, 50 yrs ago. I'm moving as soon as I can.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 03, 2017 12:47 PM  

Average IQ matters because it establishes the baseline for competence. A true genius leader in a society of 90 IQ would be extremely frustrated, and however hard he worked that society would decay after he died. You can see this in towns, in extended families, in entire countries.

Average IQ determines the basic level of competence.

Anonymous 11B April 03, 2017 12:57 PM  

A society with an IQ of 100 is always going to be more intelligent and functional than one with an average IQ of 96, let alone 90.

Those of you who are old enough know that no matter what arguments you may come up with, the progressives always double down. The latest response I heard regarding the above point on average IQ goes something like this:

Average IQ does not matter. What matters are the outliers because all the great innovation comes from the extreme right part of the bell curve. So a homogeneous society with a relatively high average IQ, but with a huge cluster around the mean, won't be as creative as one with a lower average IQ that has greater extremes. Because of this we should welcome the third world immivasion since it will make our IQ curve much more extreme.

Keep in mind, that is not me promoting that logic. That is something I came across a few weeks back. It only goes to show that your discussion of IQ has hit a nerve and the other side is desperately trying to justify the very thing you have observed.

Anonymous BBGKB April 03, 2017 1:10 PM  

Man smoking crack burns down concrete bridge. Even I wouldn't have believed it when I took a travel job in Baltimore.

engineer Bloody hell I don't even whine that much on a gays spread disease thread, man up or tell me how many korans can be burned on a bridge before it needs to be inspected.

This is why you don't cut your crack with thermite.

To be fair Cooter usually smokes his crack over by the step up transformer ;)

Somalian-asylum-seeker-rapes-two-elderly-disabled-men No wonder Barney Frank wants to import them

progressives always double down. The latest response I heard regarding the above point on average IQ goes something like this

Leftists only care about IQ when it comes to consequences for cop killers and Mexicans caught on video tossing 8yo white girls they raped to death into dumpsters

Anonymous basementhomebrewer April 03, 2017 1:22 PM  

11B wrote:A society with an IQ of 100 is always going to be more intelligent and functional than one with an average IQ of 96, let alone 90.

Those of you who are old enough know that no matter what arguments you may come up with, the progressives always double down. The latest response I heard regarding the above point on average IQ goes something like this:

Average IQ does not matter. What matters are the outliers because all the great innovation comes from the extreme right part of the bell curve. So a homogeneous society with a relatively high average IQ, but with a huge cluster around the mean, won't be as creative as one with a lower average IQ that has greater extremes. Because of this we should welcome the third world immivasion since it will make our IQ curve much more extreme.

Keep in mind, that is not me promoting that logic. That is something I came across a few weeks back. It only goes to show that your discussion of IQ has hit a nerve and the other side is desperately trying to justify the very thing you have observed.



It's a miss-application of the concept. The logic is partially correct. A wider curve means you will get more extremely high end and extremely low end people. This has been posited as the reason the west has advanced more than Asians despite the differences in IQ.

The problem is if you import all average low end IQ people (we are talking 10-20 points lower) their extreme high end people are within your former 1 SD. They shift the curve to the left even though they widen it as well. Sounds like a typical SJW that doesn't understand math. They likely heard the argument about white vs Asian and then misapplied the concept to Africans vs whites. White's curve (particularly men) is already wide adding more lower IQ people doesn't help.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 03, 2017 1:33 PM  

@ 11B, basementhomebrer

I have never met an SJW who had a clue about probability and statistics. They tend to be highly verbal and good mimics, but it's all handwaving. They don't really grasp the basic Gaussian distribution and can't explain variance. By all means, we should press them as hard as possible to try, because it exposes their ignorance.

Anonymous Mr. Rational April 03, 2017 2:12 PM  

The most ironic thing about this discussion about the bridge collapse is that a whole bunch of the people nodding about Georgia public-works corruption and crack smokers are ALSO 9/11 Troofers who swear up and down that burning jet fuel CANNOT melt steel and the collapse of the 3 buildings was an inside job.

Related:  Progressive collapse of Centergy parking deck in Atlanta.
https://failures.wikispaces.com/Centergy+Parking+Deck+Collapse

Anonymous DaveA April 03, 2017 2:42 PM  

Both Koreas allegedly have an average IQ of 106, but South Korea routinely suffers man-made catastrophes each killing hundreds of people. Buildings collapse, ferries sink, subway trains catch fire, city streets explode. Koreans may score well on math tests, but when disaster strikes, they assume everything is under control and make no attempt to save themselves.

North Korea lost millions of lives to famine while its neighbors suffered obesity. If South Korea didn't have a US-puppet government, they'd be just as bad.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor April 03, 2017 2:42 PM  

Journalists' ineptitude when describing anything scientific or technical was what led me to being distrustful of everything they say.

Here's another one - the article first blames a "chemical changes in the cargo" for sinking a freighter, then blames the "ore shifting."

At least they didn't say that the explosion in demand for iron ore ripped the ship apart.

Blogger Front toward enemy April 03, 2017 2:53 PM  

Dot/feather distinction is now passé. The proper identifier is
Casino / call center.

Anonymous Walter April 03, 2017 2:59 PM  

"One has the impression that the Atlanta reporter understands the meaning of "combustible" about as well as he does comma placement."

lol yeah what a badly written sentence

Blogger James Dixon April 03, 2017 3:55 PM  

> So a homogeneous society with a relatively high average IQ, but with a huge cluster around the mean, won't be as creative as one with a lower average IQ that has greater extremes.

Even if you accept their argument at face value, creative does not equate to functional.

Blogger John rockwell April 04, 2017 7:12 AM  

I think people need snowy winters alongside fertile soil that could support crops just as it in Europe in order to have the ability to store food for the winter.

So that not only can would there be selection for the right side of the bell-curve but that a large enough population would provide the trait pool for such to be selected for in the 1st place.

The reason many countries have low average IQ is the lack of pressure in favor of the right-side of the bellcurve.

Blogger Chris White April 06, 2017 12:19 AM  

Concrete "flying"?

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