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Saturday, May 20, 2017

And yet still curiouser


DC surgery resident on call the night of Seth Rich's death says Rich's gunshot wounds were non-fatal, access to him by the doctors was blocked by DC police, and no code was called when he died.

That's not fishy, right?

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Blogger cheddarman May 20, 2017 10:55 AM  

I know the Clintons will have to face Almighty God in the next life for their many crimes. It would be great to see them face a jury of their peers in this life.

Anonymous Fran May 20, 2017 11:03 AM  

That resident might want to get the hell out of town now.

Blogger Lazarus May 20, 2017 11:11 AM  

One should not jump to conclusions. We should ask BGKB if this is standard procedure. Maybe it is something particular to Obamacare.

Blogger Salt May 20, 2017 11:11 AM  

Routine if it involves the Clintons.

Anonymous JAG May 20, 2017 11:14 AM  

I forget just who, but one of the commenters in the previous Seth Rich topic brought up the theory that Rich had been ministered the coup de grâce in the hospital. Looking like a good call right now.

Blogger SemiSpook37 May 20, 2017 11:16 AM  

I can't say that I'm surprised by this.

Anonymous Panzer Man May 20, 2017 11:16 AM  

Lazarus wrote:One should not jump to conclusions. We should ask BGKB if this is standard procedure. Maybe it is something particular to Obamacare.

I'm pretty sure nothing in Obamacare says that all medical personnel should be excluded from a patient's room by police...

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 20, 2017 11:17 AM  

I'm pretty sure nothing in Obamacare says that all medical personnel should be excluded from a patient's room by police...

How could you forget about death panels?

Blogger praetorian May 20, 2017 11:20 AM  

That resident needs to go public NOW, on camera, for their own safety.

Pray for them.

Blogger cassius dio May 20, 2017 11:21 AM  

The lack of charity, in it's truest sense, is staggering. If true, this is horrible.

Blogger Esmar Tuek May 20, 2017 11:27 AM  

There are quieter ways to finish someone off, I don't buy it

Blogger Silly but True May 20, 2017 11:28 AM  

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Blogger Esmar Tuek May 20, 2017 11:31 AM  

Unless it's deliberately been done in such a cackhanded manner, in order to send a message

Anonymous basementhomebrewer May 20, 2017 11:31 AM  

I may not be reading this correctly, but it appears they let him die of sepsis due to his bowels and liver not being sutured up? That is a pretty crappy way to go. Note to potential Clinton informants. Take the plane ride or the gunshot to the head. If you resist those they will kill you in more unpleasant ways.

Anonymous Grayman May 20, 2017 11:31 AM  

It also means the hit man was ridiculouslying incompetent, which would also be odd. The Clintons and friends would have access to competant wet work contractors. Even an amatuer isn't going to expect 2 or 3 gut shots to be good enough to ensure the job is done.

Anonymous Hillary Clinton May 20, 2017 11:32 AM  

SILENCE PEASANTS

Anonymous Poli_Mis May 20, 2017 11:33 AM  

The theory is that the hit men were SEIU. Of course they were incompetent.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer May 20, 2017 11:41 AM  

Poli_Mis wrote:The theory is that the hit men were SEIU. Of course they were incompetent.

If you want your hit to look like a case of vibrancy then you have to hire a vibrant hit man. If that is your number 1 qualification the others tend to suffer.

Anonymous Poli_Mis May 20, 2017 11:44 AM  

Good point.

Anonymous Weak May 20, 2017 11:44 AM  

I don't buy it. 1) sounds too good to be true, 2) hospitals document everything, 3) hospitals have cameras everywhere.

There would be way too much supporting evidence for this to be true. This story fails Occam's Razor. And Hanlon's Razor.

Blogger bw May 20, 2017 11:46 AM  

I've long thought it was possibly/likely *others* doing some of this and paving the way for the Slicks, while at same time compromising them. 1st time X problem went away for slick: "X just went away sir". Uh-oh. Welcome to the Bonesman club, our Oxford Rhodes Scholar asset friend. This is how we do it.
*16 years of fatherless Dem presidents of late cannot be coinkidink.
"Slick...we are your Father"

Blogger Lazarus May 20, 2017 11:47 AM  

Grayman wrote:It also means the hit man was ridiculouslying incompetent, which would also be odd.

Maybe they just wanted to get him into a hospital for interrogation before execution. An actual professional assassination on the street would produce a higher news profile.

Anonymous Icicle May 20, 2017 11:50 AM  

I've long thought it was possibly/likely *others* doing some of this and paving the way for the Slicks, while at same time compromising them. 1st time X problem went away for slick: "X just went away sir". Uh-oh. Welcome to the Bonesman club, our Oxford Rhodes Scholar asset friend. This is how we do it.

Based on some personal experience, that's more true than you realize. I'll stay vague again for safety reasons.

Blogger Nick S May 20, 2017 11:52 AM  

One would think, at some point, the ever growing pile of "strange circumstance" dead bodies in Clinton's wake would garner the attention of the MSM. That it hasn't can't be explained away by mere humanistic tribalism. There is nothing natural about the way compartmentally segmented authorities have become complicit in this evil.

Blogger Sagramore May 20, 2017 11:56 AM  

Thanks Vox. I can't directly link to /pol/ for the normies. This blog is a valuable service.

Blogger ZhukovG May 20, 2017 11:56 AM  

So, the initial hit was botched. It happens. They needed to isolate and finish him before he could talk, so a certain amount of sloppiness is not out of the question.

It's ugly, but plausible.

I wonder what the current status of the attending physician is?

Blogger Nate May 20, 2017 11:59 AM  

I cannot verify anything about the authenticity of that... but I showed it to DrWho. Who ever wrote it damn sure spend some time in the ORs. The language is exactly right.

And I am not saying a medical person in general. This is OR specific lingo. An ER nurse wouldn't use that language. A scrub tech... an OR nurse... a CRNA.. an Anesthesiologist or a Surgeon. Whoever wrote it, definitely works or has worked in an OR.

Anonymous gxg May 20, 2017 12:00 PM  

I don't buy it. ... 3) hospitals have cameras everywhere.

Supposedly, the three cops who found the still-living Seth Rich on the sidewalk wore body cameras. But surprise, surprise, the footage (or maybe the cameras, I can't recall which) has gone missing.

No doubt, the hospital cameras malfunctioned that night. Or their footage was taped over. Or some other "coincidence" happened that will keep the footage secret.

Anonymous Weak May 20, 2017 12:00 PM  

This particular OR doctor story has all the hallmarks of a classic Clinton disinformation story:
- plant juicy highly incriminating story about Scandal X
- debunk that story
- since juicy story was false, therefore all stories about Scandal X are false
- nothing to see here!

Somehow this works. Since it worked so many times before, why wouldn't they try the tactic again?

Blogger Nate May 20, 2017 12:00 PM  

"So, the initial hit was botched. It happens"

no it doesn't.

Not like this. Botched mean no shot was taken or there was a clean miss. Sky's blue, water's wet, and hitmen take headshots.

Blogger Nate May 20, 2017 12:01 PM  

If its true... it means the hitter is an amateur that's watched to many movies.

Blogger Nate May 20, 2017 12:05 PM  

"I don't buy it. 1) sounds too good to be true, 2) hospitals document everything, 3) hospitals have cameras everywhere."

1) it doesn't sound to good to be true. 2) hospitals document everything to cover their ass. in this case... not documenting is how they cover their ass. and if you were actually medical you would know tons of corners get cut every day in every hospital on every floor. 3) cameras? seriously? c'mon man. cameras show what the people running the cameras want them to show.

Blogger Nate May 20, 2017 12:07 PM  

The best reason to be skeptical about this... is the risk the 4th year is taking. If he was a 5th year... he would be disappearing in about 3 weeks and no one would be able to find him.

but he's not. he has another year. So you start by finding out which medical schools were sending students to rotate in the ERs of that hospital. and you have a year to track him down.

Anonymous Panzer Man May 20, 2017 12:12 PM  

If it was a google who carried out the hit, I'd expect them to do something like this. They are not the sharpest knives in the drawer, y'know.

Blogger Bellguard May 20, 2017 12:12 PM  

If you're going to kill a man properly, why not just drive a blade through his skull? Brain death is efficient death.

Blogger wreckage May 20, 2017 12:19 PM  

More information disappears in hospitals than you could ever imagine, and that's when they're trying to retain it, not when somebody is actively working to obfuscate. People steal drugs from the dispensary for YEARS before they get caught, patients die because their paperwork gets misplaced and they don't officially exist anymore, someone gets the wrong medication and their pregnancy they've been fighting to keep gets terminated.

These are all real-life examples, or based on real life examples, some of them first-hand. Hospitals are total chaos, kept from turning into a charnel-house by the 2/3rds of the staff that do all the work, half of which is cleaning up, winding back, controlling and/or repairing the botch-ups of the other 1/3rd. And that's probably being generous; a power distribution would put it at more like 20% of the staff doing 80% of the work.

That said, this story could still be bogus.

The conversation about hit-men is interesting, but doesn't match what little I know about the use of murder in organized crime and politics.

Blogger Ezekiel May 20, 2017 12:22 PM  

Grayman wrote:It also means the hit man was ridiculouslying incompetent, which would also be odd. The Clintons and friends would have access to competant wet work contractors. Even an amatuer isn't going to expect 2 or 3 gut shots to be good enough to ensure the job is done.
If it was a badly-done hit, it was still better than anything JFK tried doing to Castro...

Blogger Thurston Pilgrim May 20, 2017 12:22 PM  

Depending how far into their residency they are, this may be very risky. I think surgery residencies are about 7 years long. If this is a first year, yeah , they'll be doing whatever their attendings/directors tell them to. If they are 6 or 7th year, they may be more willing to talk without fearing an end to their career.

Blogger Thurston Pilgrim May 20, 2017 12:24 PM  

@33
He would have to be a trauma surgery resident, right? I thought those programs lasted more than four years.

Anonymous trev006 May 20, 2017 12:26 PM  

They won't need a year. The number of surgery residents of any year that would be at the hospital on a particular evening is very small. Not might be, is. There wouldn't even be many clerks on call. He might work in internal, which gives more options.

A resident might feel brave enough to come forwards, and he admits it wouldn't be hard to find him, but if he wanted to get the word out he'd be about as safe if he openly went public.

Blogger Thurston Pilgrim May 20, 2017 12:31 PM  

Also, this person needs to get the ER residents, nurses, techs, etc. to at least anonymously corroborate the strangeness of this "VIP".

Blogger Esmar Tuek May 20, 2017 12:32 PM  

It's obvious the guy was taken out, regardless of the how. The majority won't consider it cos they don't want to.

Ppl won't question a story of a drug addict killing someone for a few bucks. But, somehow, a power addict playing for huge stakes, they'd never have someone killed

Blogger VD May 20, 2017 12:38 PM  

If you're going to kill a man properly, why not just drive a blade through his skull?

Because you don't want his blood and DNA all over you.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 20, 2017 12:45 PM  

There are quieter ways to finish someone off, I don't buy it

Sounds like Vince Foster: there are dozens of contradictions and things that don't make sense, so people end up saying, "Nah, if they murdered him, they wouldn't have been so messy." Incompetence ends up being a defense.

Blogger praetorian May 20, 2017 12:46 PM  

A resident might feel brave enough to come forwards, and he admits it wouldn't be hard to find him, but if he wanted to get the word out he'd be about as safe if he openly went public.

Yeah, that's the biggest reason to be skeptical I see. Doing this anonymously is much more dangerous than coming forward publicly, right?

Blogger cassius dio May 20, 2017 12:47 PM  

Immediately have a press conference, say it loud and public. that is the only protection.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 20, 2017 12:49 PM  

Isn't it interesting how many people with unfamiliar usernames are popping in just to say they don't buy it? That certainly convinces me.

Blogger Esmar Tuek May 20, 2017 12:51 PM  

I don't buy this particular account. I'm not saying he wasn't murdered for leaking. I get what you're saying, but I lean more towards it being disinformation

Anonymous Weak May 20, 2017 12:54 PM  

Cail, I have posted here for ten years, just not often.

I do believe the HRC campaign had Rich murdered. I just don't believe this particular OR doctor story, especially because it looks like a classic Clinton disinformation story.

If anything, the existence of a disinformation story is more proof that a hit was executed on Rich. They freak out when we get over the target.

Blogger Natalie May 20, 2017 12:55 PM  

I thought someone on another thread brought up the possibility of Rich ending up in witness protection? It seems like that could also fit in with the strange and isolated way he died?

Blogger bosscauser May 20, 2017 12:55 PM  

Hospital killed my sister. Knocked her liver in routine gall bladder surgery. Sewed her up and sent her home..

Never know about these things..

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

Blogger Esmar Tuek May 20, 2017 12:56 PM  

Isn't it interesting how many people with unfamiliar usernames are popping in just to say they don't buy it? That certainly convinces me.

I couldn't see this coming a mile off. What is the required post count for dissent?

Anonymous Moonbear May 20, 2017 12:56 PM  

No pictures of proofs labelled with timestamp etc as is customary.
Smells a little bit like larp even though his vocabulary seems about right, hard to tell on this one!

Blogger Jon D. May 20, 2017 1:05 PM  

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Blogger Jack Ward May 20, 2017 1:06 PM  

This




Now this is interesting! Never thought about it in this manner. It came to me via a friend but the original writer was not attributed, so just take it for whatever it might be worth.
Could team Trump be this clever? We’ll know to a certainty if the democrat leadership begins an attempt to limit the scope of the investigation so as to protect Obama and Hillary, etc.
Short read, but very thought provoking. I hope it’s accurate.

I think there is a method to Comey/Trump playing good cop, bad cop. Both poured gas on the fire. This was a sting. By firing Comey, his "personal notes" were able to be subpoenaed. He couldn't just release them outright. It had to be leaked too, for the intrigue. Bringing Mueller in neutralized McCabe. Took him out of the loop. Mueller and Comey, along with Trump & Sessions are high stakes law-fare right now. By getting the left to demand a special prosecutor, they can't bitch that they got what they wanted. Now, as soon as Mueller on the job, the Sen intel committee demanded Comey's notes. All of them! How great is that? This was brilliant on all levels. When democrats wake up to the can of worms they’ve opened they’ll break out in hives.

Comey by keeping the Hillary stuff within the FBI, has protected the integrity of the case. If it had passed over to Lynch, it was done for, forever. By Comey acting , (poorly, I may add), he really saved the case against Hillary and others from disappearing forever.

It was a risk. If Hillary had won, it was all over and Comey would go down, but softly. They think he fell on his sword, when in reality he protected his sword. If Trump won, there was a chance he would be more receptive, especially when Sessions was chosen.

Once Lynch had the meeting with Bill, it was urgent that Comey do something to keep that case from her. He overstepped and acted as AG by making the call. He knew he was still going to be around after Lynch was long gone, at least for a while. Now that he is a civilian, he can be free to share his info, if subpoenaed. The request got expanded to include not just Comey's notes on Trump, but all his notes on the Obama admin, including Hillary, Lynch, etc.

Trump is a master of media too. He had to help Comey sensationalize it. The left got dizzy'd . They still don't know whether to love or hate Comey. Nobody does. That's an asset right now. Keep them guessing.

All the left knows is hatred for Trump, and it blinds them. If Trump fired Comey, they all of a sudden love Comey. They were calling for Comey's head. That would never work. Hate can be used as a weapon against the hater too. Trump has kept the left on a roller coaster. They are so dizzy they don't realize the biggest trap ever just fell over them.

Now we know why Trump kept pouring gas on the Russia bs. Others would have tried to make it go quietly away. Not Trump. He used it as a tool.

Remember, Trump had already seen the Podesta email where their plot was hatched to push the Russia narrative. (Thank you Seth Rich). Trump was expecting it. They stick to their tactics like glue, no matter what! Makes them predictable.

Democrats demanded all of this. Now they have it. Let the squirming begin.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 20, 2017 1:07 PM  

Weak, I wasn't talking about you or any individual in particular, just a pattern we've seen where certain topics bring out a very quick surge of new names saying we're crazy. I agree with you that this story could be disinformation of the "let's get them all repeating this and then call them crazy" variety. We'll see. That in itself would be indicative of something that needs covering up, like you said.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 20, 2017 1:16 PM  

@Nate

Absolutely. That doesn't necessarily mean that he's telling the truth, of course, but it's definitely a consistent story from the medical standpoint. Makes more sense than a lot of anonymously-sourced stories in WaPo or the NYT, that's for sure.

Anonymous BBGKB May 20, 2017 1:16 PM  

Clintons will have to face Almighty God in the next life for their many crimes. It would be great to see them face a jury of their peers

The only place you could find enough of their peers for a jury is at Epstein island!

If you want your hit to look like a case of vibrancy then you have to hire a vibrant hit man

Finally lamestream can report on an inne cent black shot 4times in the back. It was a drive by & their target wasn't hit once.
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Toddler-Critical-After-Shot-4-Times-in-the-Back_Philadelphia-423266274.html

I don't buy it. 1) sounds too good to be true, 2) hospitals document everything, 3) hospitals have cameras everywhere

2.If it's not documented it didn't happen works both ways.
3. If people scope out a hospital they can probably avoid all the cameras except for the entrances especially if they are healthy enough to take steps. At a DC hospital like this you would be more likely to find a homeless person in the stairways than an employee not taking elevators. Even if cameras work they might get auto erased/recorded over unless data is saved, when I was questioned about running away from a coworker a week prior, I said "don't believe either of us lets go to security & see the video", I had to settle for the videos of both of us leaving at the end of the last shift down a hallway that ran almost the entire length of the hospital to show the relative speeds we both functioned on.

Before hospitals went digital malpractice evidence was as likely to disappear as not. Before digital pharmacies I worked with a black doctor that malpracticed himself to death with a medication error.

Anonymous BBGKB May 20, 2017 1:21 PM  

3)I also said I have walked faster thru the woods with no light on than she does responding to a code. This was the under 5'tall but wider circumference squatling I mentioned before.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 20, 2017 1:25 PM  

gxg

"Supposedly, the three cops who found the still-living Seth Rich on the sidewalk wore body cameras"

Lot of cameras around the Waco 2/ Twin Peaks massacre, too. How much video got out? Of course, it helps if you arrest 177 people, and have the judge impose gag orders on everyone when you finally release them, too.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 May 20, 2017 1:26 PM  

So it looks like a botched hit followed by a more professional job done in a hospital.

More than likely, the original hitman got spooked by something, missed the fatal shots, and fled before he could get the kill shot.

Anonymous Susan() May 20, 2017 1:31 PM  

One thing that lends credence to this story about the cops is that yesterday on another website, I saw a list of CCTV that would have covered the street assault of Seth Rich.

It was something like 8 different camera locations. That detective that the family hired has uncovered some interesting elements that have been deliberately ignored.

As to Nate's information, I would trust him on all matters medical. He helped his lovely wife Dr. Who make her way through medical school and during her residency. I figure he knows about as much as any medical personnel, he just doesn't have the papers.

Anonymous BBGKB May 20, 2017 1:34 PM  

Lot of cameras around the Waco 2/ Twin Peaks massacre, too. How much video got out? Of course, it helps if you arrest 177 people

Even better Bathhouse Barry's Justus dept made every real news site take down the HIGH DEF videos of the liquor store beatdown Gentle Mike gave the Asian clerk while everyone who claimed his hands were up participated in the robbery. Its especially important to see the skinny guy had on the gold bracelet during the robbery that ended up by the drivers side cop car door.

Fake News never showed an unedited clip showing Gentle Mike touching the little Asian liquor store clerk, & never showed his crew in the liquor store with him.

The Conservative Treehouse had the best coverage of Gentle Mike.

Blogger JWM in SD May 20, 2017 1:37 PM  

George Webb just walked through all the locations involved in this last night on Youtube. He just posted a video a few minutes ago from the cryptography museum asking what do you do if you discover that someone is using elements of the state to further their political ambitions and hiring foreign intelligence services to monitor your opponents (awans).

Well....I think we all know that answer don't we???

BURN.THE.WITCH - TGE better have Sessions do it soon or this goes sideways folks.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 20, 2017 1:38 PM  

@swiftfoxmark2

"More than likely, the original hitman got spooked by something, missed the fatal shots, and fled before he could get the kill shot."

I remember seeing a report that said the cops were on scene within something like 3 minutes of the shooting. Could have been spooked because of that. Just bad luck for them that the cops were close? Shot him twice, he went down, then they see the lights/ hear the sirens, and bail instead of administering the coup de grace?

Blogger JWM in SD May 20, 2017 1:41 PM  

"It also means the hit man was ridiculouslying incompetent, which would also be odd."

Would it? If you want it to look like a mugging gone wrong then a double tap to the head be foolish no?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 20, 2017 1:44 PM  

@BBGKB

"The Conservative Treehouse had the best coverage of Gentle Mike."

Definitely. Excellent coverage of Waco, too, as well as the Slager shooting.

I remember how angry Obama and the legacy media were when the footage of the Gentle Giant robbing the store got out.

Blogger StrawMan May 20, 2017 1:44 PM  

Nobody ever lies on 4chan

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 20, 2017 1:51 PM  

@basementhomebrewer

"I may not be reading this correctly, but it appears they let him die of sepsis due to his bowels and liver not being sutured up?"

Not really. He appears to be saying that they stopped the liver bleed, and did appropriate initial damage control surgery on the bowel injuries, with a plan to take him back to the OR for a washout and definitive repair in the morning, and that they transfused him a couple of units of blood in the ICU after surgery.

Sounds pretty early for sepsis (assuming the story is true), especially with small bowel injuries. Liver started leaking again, or a missed retroperitoneal bleed, or some kind of active intervention would be more consistent with the story as given.

Anonymous Sharrukin May 20, 2017 1:53 PM  

70. StrawMan

Nobody ever lies on 4chan

Or in the media. They would never lie and politicians certainly don't lie either...do they StrawMan?

What makes a random stranger LESS credible than the provenly deceptive media?

Blogger VD May 20, 2017 1:59 PM  

I wasn't talking about you or any individual in particular, just a pattern we've seen where certain topics bring out a very quick surge of new names saying we're crazy.

There is another reliable tell, which I will not identify, but it is there. Definitely shills out on this one.

Anonymous Duder May 20, 2017 1:59 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:Isn't it interesting how many people with unfamiliar usernames are popping in just to say they don't buy it? That certainly convinces me.

Because it's a fucking 4chan post. About as credible as any "anonymous source" the media comes up with.

Blogger John Williams May 20, 2017 2:11 PM  

That's not fishy, right?
No more fishier than the police confiscating a robbery victims computers.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft May 20, 2017 2:19 PM  

@71. The one where they call themselves out by name after?

Blogger Benjamin Kraft May 20, 2017 2:21 PM  

@72. So why are you concerned here instead of over at WaPo?

Blogger NO GOOGLES May 20, 2017 2:31 PM  

Definitely not sepsis. Sepsis from bowels takes days to kill if the person doesn't already have a very serious illness (no, GSWs that were fixed otherwise don't count).

A lot of people are saying that if this was a hit, it was botched, and that the hospital should have a lot more documentation/video footage, etc.

You have to remember: these people aren't actually that competent. They are used to being able to force the authorities to drop cases and cover for them. When they have someone killed they are not some undetectable movie master assassin - it's just some guy who kills someone, and then they just get the cops not to investigate it. That is 100x easier than this master assassin stuff.

As for records and video footage - when has that ever been a real obstacle? Oh no, the paperwork was lost/deleted/oops I mailed it and you never got it? These people have the media and the cops in their pocket - all they need is to not be caught on live national TV with bloody hands standing over a dying man, and they will get away with it. People underestimate how incompetent you can be and still get away with literally murder if you have the right people corrupted.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 20, 2017 2:36 PM  

Maybe Seth didn't want to have any pizza?

Blogger JWM in SD May 20, 2017 2:37 PM  

Gee Ben, I don't know, maybe because it's his blog?

Blogger Eowyn May 20, 2017 2:40 PM  

Joe Capone, general manager of Lou's City Bar where Seth Rich was last seen alive, visited the White House for a meeting in the First Lady's East Wing on July 6, 2016, just 4 days before Rich was murdered.

https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2017/05/20/proof-that-owner-of-bar-where-seth-rich-was-last-seen-alive-visited-white-house-4-days-earlier/

Blogger JWM in SD May 20, 2017 2:43 PM  

Webb has a pretty wild theory about Joe Capone. He just posted it on YT.

Blogger Nate May 20, 2017 2:49 PM  

"If you're going to kill a man properly, why not just drive a blade through his skull? "

because a silenced 22 from 8 feet is just as effective and a lot cleaner.

Blogger owlish May 20, 2017 2:53 PM  

People being identified as "VIP" in a teaching hospital, and students and residents removed from the case happens often enough that it shouldn't be a red flag.

Such a person getting care that is worse than standard, and dying in the hospital, is crazy. Not only is the hospital, and every doctor that came vaguely into contact with the case, vulnerable to being sued, the media uproar would be a concern.

Blogger JWM in SD May 20, 2017 2:53 PM  

"If you're going to kill a man properly, why not just drive a blade through his skull? "

Because you find out what's in that skull before you do that?

Anonymous One Deplorable DT May 20, 2017 3:08 PM  

But what about the Russians influencing our elections?!?

Previously someone commented here that the GE could demolish the media coverage about Russia and turn the country's attention to Seth Rich with a single tweet. He needs to. Unless, of course, he has people investigating and he doesn't want to spook the DNC.

The Clintons and the rest of the corrupt DNC need to pay in this life as well as the next.

Anonymous One Deplorable DT May 20, 2017 3:14 PM  

@72 - hope I'm not touching poop.

Because it's a fucking 4chan post. About as credible as any "anonymous source" the media comes up with.

Five years ago I would have agreed with you. Now? Larping is of course an issue on an anonymous board. But /pol/ has also been a dumping ground for leaks since at least the election, if not further back. I wouldn't take this post to the bank. But I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand either.

Now if it had appeared on /x/....

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 20, 2017 3:22 PM  

@JWM in SD

"Webb has a pretty wild theory about Joe Capone. He just posted it on YT."

Interesting. He's also got a pretty good time line for the murder. According to him, it looks like the shots were detected by CIC (some kind of automated gunshot detection/ location system) at 0420, and the cops were on scene at 0423, with presumably no suspects present. A total of 6 cops responded; 2 of them had body cameras, though not the initial responder. His copy of the police report (if it's legit) gives the time of death as 0557 (not really consistent with the surgery resident's story, but either could be lying).

https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2017/05/17/murdered-dnc-staffer-seth-rich-was-alive-when-found-by-police/#comments

Also has some follow up responses by the self-identified surgery resident to questions from /pol/acks (no link to the original archived thread, though). Tends to confirm that he is indeed a surgeon or at least in a related field.

https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2017/05/18/surgeon-at-seth-richs-hospital-says-his-wounds-were-not-fatal/

Anonymous Zed, Lord of the Brutals May 20, 2017 3:28 PM  

Be interesting to check on dindus that got "made good" in the period after the Rich killing. Maybe our diverse hitman got liquidated afterwards.

Something for the weaponized autistics to look into.

Blogger Esmar Tuek May 20, 2017 4:09 PM  

I get that the killer is not going to be as great as an assassin in a movie, but surely they are not so incompetent that they choose to get loads of LEOs in there, cause a song and dance, when a "visitor" could just finish him off on the quiet.

I think I get the "reliable tell"

Blogger VD May 20, 2017 4:31 PM  

I think I get the "reliable tell"

Afraid not, sorry.

Anonymous CloseHauled May 20, 2017 4:38 PM  

KimDotCom tweeted today:
"I knew Seth Rich. I know he was the @Wikileaks source. I was involved."

Blogger dc.sunsets May 20, 2017 4:39 PM  

Poli_Mis wrote:The theory is that the hit men were SEIU. Of course they were incompetent.

If you want your hit to look like a case of vibrancy then you have to hire a vibrant hit man. If that is your number 1 qualification the others tend to suffer.


I feel bad saying this, given a man lost his irreplaceable life in the event under discussion, but this is why I so enjoy VP.

I laughed out loud, literally, reading this.

Anonymous CloseHauled May 20, 2017 4:40 PM  

Kim DotCom:
"I'm meeting my legal team on Monday. I will issue a statement about #SethRich on Tuesday. Please be patient. This needs to be done properly."

Blogger RobertT May 20, 2017 4:40 PM  

11. There are quieter ways to finish someone off, I don't buy it.

What was so noisy about this way? Maybe furious frilary wanted it done 'tonight'.

Blogger Esmar Tuek May 20, 2017 4:40 PM  

Well, it's a false positive either way

Blogger Rez Zircon May 20, 2017 4:42 PM  

Waitaminnut, I remember something about Seth Rich being beaten up as well as shot. Ah, found it:

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Man-Shot-Killed-in-Northwest-DC-386316391.html

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He was talking on the phone with his girlfriend when she heard noise on Rich's end of the line, Mary Rich said. Her son told his girlfriend not to worry about it.

"There had been a struggle. His hands were bruised, his knees are bruised, his face is bruised, and yet he had two shots to his back, and yet they never took anything," she said.
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Sounds to me like he got grabbed, roughed up as he resisted and/or in an attempt to get information (what do you know, who did you tell, that sort of thing), got away, and got shot while escaping and at the time the assailants didn't dare, um, check their work. That would explain the haphazard nature of the wounds, and Rich getting, ah, 'taken care of' later.

Also sounds like he might have known the people who grabbed him. Why else do you tell your girlfriend not to worry about noise in the background?

Have also seen reports that he was awake and talking for two hours after being brought to the hospital, but offhand can't find anything semi-official about that.

As to bleedouts from something minor that the OR didn't catch -- friend of mine died of such a bleedout. It took 3 days to kill him. (Welcome to the VA. Now go home in a box.)

As someone mentioned, sepsis would be even slower to kill, and SOP after intestinal penetration is to flush the body cavity with antibiotics, which usually suffices to ward off sepsis.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 20, 2017 4:42 PM  

These are people who do things like letting their illegal mail server get hacked because they fell for a phishing attack. So yes, they can be incompetent and sloppy. Some of the Arkancides back in the day were shot in the back of the head and then ruled suicides. As someone else said, their control of the media and investigators has meant they've been playing on a low difficulty setting for a long time. They haven't needed to be masterminds, or even particularly careful or sneaky.

It's not that easy to kill a healthy man quietly, surely, and without witnesses. It's not that easy to sneak into a hospital and finish someone off when he's already in the system and stable, without being spotted by a witness or camera. So yes, it's quite possible that desperate people, learning that their victim survived, might slap together a story to get a bunch of local cops to clear the floor so someone can slip in and finish the job.

That may not be an ideal solution, but if you just tried to have a guy killed because he had the goods on you, and you don't have any ninja assassins on speed dial, but you do have ways to give orders to the cops, what do you do?

Anonymous Avalanche May 20, 2017 4:43 PM  

@46 "Immediately have a press conference, say it loud and public. that is the only protection."

Perhaps -- only/barely perhaps -- a slight protection against a swift (or slow) death! But destruction of a career (and look what they're doing to the God Emperor; would some doctor-guy be any less attacked? Family, friends? End his residency, keep him from getting hired? No,"going public" is NOT a protection!

Or, since they can take out Scalia at a resort, and Hastings in a Mercedes, and ... any of a hundred-plus 'odd' deaths -- being public will NOT keep this doctor safe from a heart attack, a plutonium poisoning, a strange one-man car accident, a 'trip into a subway track. No, publicity is no longer safety. (Is it ANY kind of consolation that "if you get murdered," at least everyone will know it was murder?! I think not.

Blogger Esmar Tuek May 20, 2017 4:49 PM  

98. What was so noisy about this way? Maybe furious frilary wanted it done 'tonight'.

Maybe she did, but send a guy in to do it alone. Why have a load of police blocking access to him, that screams establishment involvement. The police would be asking questions, talking ... I am assuming sanity here though, like you say, if she was in charge of it...

Blogger Chris Eastlund May 20, 2017 4:56 PM  

Occam's Razor - Just make the murder explanation more complicated that the explanation used as coverup. Robbery gone wrong is simpler than a hit man who can't do a head shot.

Hanlon's Razor - Just make things look stupid, like a hit man who can't do a head shot.

Don't forget Ian Fleming's rule = Once is an accident, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action. This should override both Occam and Hanlon.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 20, 2017 5:00 PM  

It's interesting that no one here has said, "The Democrats would never sink to that level!" We all know they would kill anyone who stood in their way if it served their interests and they thought they could pull it off. There are no moral restraints on their behavior and we all recognize this.

There are many plausible explanations for the hit being/appearing botched as others have noted above.

Blogger Esmar Tuek May 20, 2017 5:01 PM  

It may well initially have been an order to guard him, not let him speak to anyone, then she just started demanding he be shut up.

Cail, yea you're right, I overestimate the efficiency and abilities of these ppl. The point about the movies is probably true, a ninja assassin on speed dial is pretty much what I was imagining

Blogger Nate May 20, 2017 5:01 PM  

Incompetence is always a good explanation

Blogger Cail Corishev May 20, 2017 5:03 PM  

Why have a load of police blocking access to him, that screams establishment involvement.

If they get away with it, people who only follow the MSM will never hear about that, the way they never heard about Bill Clinton using state cops to bring him women or the fact that there was no blood on the ground around Vince Foster. Only members of the vast right-wing conspiracy hear about that kind of stuff. If they need to explain it, it's not so hard: someone called in an anonymous threat -- probably some radical right-wingers, because he was a Democrat, you know, so maybe they did it! -- so the cops were there to protect him and the hospital. It took me about ten seconds to come up with that excuse; it could surely be better.

I'm not saying it did or didn't happen the way it sounds yet. But there's nothing fantastic or unbelievable about the story at this point. It's a completely reasonable but unproven theory.

Anonymous CloseHauled May 20, 2017 5:06 PM  

Sean Hannity tweeted an hour ago:
"Stay tuned. Public invitation Kim Dotcom to be a guest on radio and TV. #GameChanger Buckle up destroy Trump media. Sheep that u all are!!!"

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 20, 2017 5:07 PM  

Having the police show up to "guard" someone in the hospital, intending for them to die mysteriously during the night, isn't even all that original. It's right out of The Godfather.

Anonymous JAG May 20, 2017 5:12 PM  

Trying to keep score here. We have the detective that said there is proof on the laptop that Rich was leaking to Wikileaks, KimDotCom affirms this as well as his own involvement with a statement to follow, hackers at one of the chans claim to have evidence as well, we have this report in the OP about the hospital, and of course, we have the original strangeness of robbery without actually taking anything.

Lock her up. These are also my three words for the more recent Trump topic.

Blogger Nate May 20, 2017 5:20 PM  

"Lock her up. These are also my three words for the more recent Trump topic."

my own take.. is that it isn't just clinton. this is a DNC op.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 20, 2017 5:23 PM  

@88 Esmar New Here

Dude, two men moved Vince Foster into Fort Marcy Park in broad daylight, and the video tape record of the White House gate for that day vanished & was never found. This is real life, not the movies.

Probably someone from the Clinton crime family went to a gang leader in DC and paid cash for Seth Rich to be shot in the street. That gang leader then picked out some expendable member to do the job and gave him Vince Foster's old gun to do it with. The shiny one, not the black one found near his body.

Jamming cops into a DC area hospital is not going to be as unusual as it would out in flyover country, because there's various grades of VIP's to be protected. Whether this story is true or not I can't say, but so far all your objections just tell me you don't know anything about the Clintons.

They've been having people killed for over 35 years, and they have always gotten away with it. Bear that in mind.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 20, 2017 5:25 PM  

"my own take.. is that it isn't just clinton. this is a DNC op."

It would have to be. Hillary would need to be well removed from the hit man to give her rock-solid deniability and to protect her from being blackmailed.

Anonymous BBGKB May 20, 2017 5:26 PM  

There is another reliable tell, which I will not identify, but it is there. Definitely shills out on this one

Traffic coming from Comet Pizza's IP address? To be fair even James O'Keefe went there before the inauguration.

"If you're going to kill a man properly, why not just drive a blade through his skull? "

Where exactly would you suggest sticking a blade thru the skull assuming you don't have him restrained? Would you be able to thread the optic foramina that goes in at an angle?

People being identified as "VIP" in a teaching hospital, and students and residents removed from the case happens often enough that it shouldn't be a red flag.Such a person getting care that is worse than standard, and dying in the hospital, is crazy

That black doctor that died by malpracticing himself to death, did so in a VIP room while alert and oriented enough to understand the medications he was receiving & what he had taken before. They coded him for hours till he had to have a closed casket.

There is less chance for a mistake to be caught in such a VIP situation. I was happy to hear Crooked Eye Clinton had a black neurologist managing her meds.

I feel bad saying this, given a man lost his irreplaceable life in the event under discussion, but this is why I so enjoy VP

You can say things here that otherwise you could only say on your last day on a job with another job lined up 500+ miles away.

It's not that easy to sneak into a hospital and finish someone off when he's already in the system and stable

The previous Brooke Army Medical Center main building had gangbangers able to finish off enemies, the staff were told not to get in their way.

It's interesting that no one here has said, "The Democrats would never sink to that level!"

One reason I said I would rather have KKK leader David Duke as a neighbor than any moslem you could name is that he is so scrupulously law abiding that Holder didn't try dumping dead tranny crack hoes, from Marian Barry's parties ,on his doorstep.

The point about the movies is probably true, a ninja assassin on speed dial is pretty much what I was imagining

Remember one of the bigger boogie men of the left was Scott Foval who totally spilled the beans for a bit of praise/admiration of a hidden camera man. He was pretty high level.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 20, 2017 5:30 PM  

Hillary would need to be well removed from the hit man to give her rock-solid deniability and to protect her from being blackmailed.

Tell that to Vince Foster's widow. Seriously, aside from Cail it's like nobody here ever looked at Foster's murder as an example of "how the Clintons can get things done".

The Clintons have their own thugs. They don't need the DNCe for a hit.

Blogger NO GOOGLES May 20, 2017 5:30 PM  

Actually given the timeline, there is a theory that makes sense. Supposedly the gunshots were detected by some automatic system (these are used in dieverse cities quite a bit) at 4:20am, and cops were there within 3 minutes. I remember that he had other injuries (bruises and such), so it may have originally just been a threat or an attempt at an interrogation to find out if he had leaked, and who to. After all, if you're facing a leak that could torpedo your presidential campaign and you have no scruples, you want to put the leaker in a position where you could plausible threaten to kill them if they don't tell you what you want (which is a good reason to have it done on the street by some unknown rather than in the office or w/e). Rich probably either told them that he had given stuff to wikileaks, or the person handling Rich got spooked by something - maybe police in the area since they responded so quickly and he just shot him a couple of times and bolted.

If the automatic system registered the shots at 4:20am and the cops were there at 4:23, that means they were likely within 1-1.5 minutes from the area at most. Given the time it would take dispatch to give them the alert information and location, I doubt the cops were 3 minutes away. It seems very likely that Rich's assassination was sloppy because the assassin was spooked by police in the area - it is very much a "worst case scenario" for your assassin and his target to get picked up by the cops with both of them still alive.

Either that, or the cops were part of the whole scheme and that's why they were so Johnny-on-the-spot. That doesn't make sense to me, though - if that's the case why only shoot Rich in the stomach, and if the cops are in on it and they found Rich like that, why would one of them not put one in his dome and make excuses later?

Also, if the killer was spooked by police being in the area, it would also explain why he didn't take any of Rich's valuables to make it look like a more plausible robbery - he wouldn't have had time. Given then very high class area Rich was shot in, the police just being close by is pretty plausible to me. Police knows who pays their checks, and they patrol high end neighborhoods (especially those with politicians living in them) pretty often.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 20, 2017 5:38 PM  

The Clintons have their own thugs. They don't need the DNCe for a hit.

Finding thugs wouldn't be hard but ensuring their loyalty is a much bigger problem. The most practical solution to this is to have so much separation between the hit man and the client that neither ever knows for certain who the other is. Just guessing, I'd say there are probably two middlemen between the Clintons and their assassins.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable May 20, 2017 5:42 PM  

That wasn't a botched assassination; it was a successful buckwheat (see Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead).

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents May 20, 2017 5:44 PM  

@113

Finding thugs wouldn't be hard but ensuring their loyalty is a much bigger problem.


Dude, the Clintons know all about that and more.
Just ask Vince Foster's widow.

Anonymous BBGKB May 20, 2017 5:58 PM  

OT: Non Asian minorities hit hardest, I believe the Junkie DR/Nurse programs are to preserve DieVerseCity, the motto should be "its hard to see a heplock in your co workers leg if their white"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/05/17/companies-need-workers-but-people-keep-getting-high/?utm_term=.87f4209c8bd2

Blogger Koanic May 20, 2017 6:02 PM  

Sounds like automatic shot detection foiled the DNC attempt to cover up a Wikileaks breach of their hacked email server.

Diversity and technology just don't mix.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 20, 2017 6:23 PM  

Seriously, aside from Cail it's like nobody here ever looked at Foster's murder as an example of "how the Clintons can get things done".

Well, to be fair, I'm old, and that was ages ago. And even that murder, like Nate said about this one, wasn't necessarily ordered by the Clintons themselves. The Clintons have always been surrounded by people with an incentive to protect them and their shared secrets. In this case, if Rich was leaking info from the DNC, lots of people could be threatened by that.

Anonymous Godfrey May 20, 2017 6:39 PM  

But... but... I thought it was a Russian hack? I mean... that's what I've been told 24/7 for the last several months.

And we all know that powerful wealthy people with a lot to lose wouldn't lie to us, right?

Blogger Lazarus May 20, 2017 8:16 PM  

SciVo de Plorable wrote:That wasn't a botched assassination; it was a successful buckwheat (see Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead).

Impaled by firearm. Interesting.

Blogger Vikki Wilson May 20, 2017 8:32 PM  

Jack Ward wrote:This

Now this is interesting! Never thought about it in this manner. It came to me via a friend but the original writer was not attributed, so just take it for whatever it might be worth.

Could team Trump be this clever? We’ll know to a certainty if the democrat leadership begins an attempt to limit the scope of the investigation so as to protect Obama and Hillary, etc.

Short read, but very thought provoking. I hope it’s accurate.

I think there is a method to Comey/Trump playing good cop, bad cop. Both poured gas on the fire. This was a sting. By firing Comey, his "personal notes" were able to be subpoenaed. He couldn't just release them outright. It had to be leaked too, for the intrigue. Bringing Mueller in neutralized McCabe. Took him out of the loop. Mueller and Comey, along with Trump & Sessions are high stakes law-fare right now. By getting the left to demand a special prosecutor, they can't bitch that they got what they wanted. Now, as soon as Mueller on the job, the Sen intel committee demanded Comey's notes. All of them! How great is that? This was brilliant on all levels. When democrats wake up to the can of worms they’ve opened they’ll break out in hives.

Comey by keeping the Hillary stuff within the FBI, has protected the integrity of the case. If it had passed over to Lynch, it was done for, forever. By Comey acting , (poorly, I may add), he really saved the case against Hillary and others from disappearing forever.

It was a risk. If Hillary had won, it was all over and Comey would go down, but softly. They think he fell on his sword, when in reality he protected his sword. If Trump won, there was a chance he would be more receptive, especially when Sessions was chosen.

Once Lynch had the meeting with Bill, it was urgent that Comey do something to keep that case from her. He overstepped and acted as AG by making the call. He knew he was still going to be around after Lynch was long gone, at least for a while. Now that he is a civilian, he can be free to share his info, if subpoenaed. The request got expanded to include not just Comey's notes on Trump, but all his notes on the Obama admin, including Hillary, Lynch, etc.

Trump is a master of media too. He had to help Comey sensationalize it. The left got dizzy'd . They still don't know whether to love or hate Comey. Nobody does. That's an asset right now. Keep them guessing.

All the left knows is hatred for Trump, and it blinds them. If Trump fired Comey, they all of a sudden love Comey. They were calling for Comey's head. That would never work. Hate can be used as a weapon against the hater too. Trump has kept the left on a roller coaster. They are so dizzy they don't realize the biggest trap ever just fell over them.

Now we know why Trump kept pouring gas on the Russia bs. Others would have tried to make it go quietly away. Not Trump. He used it as a tool.

Remember, Trump had already seen the Podesta email where their plot was hatched to push the Russia narrative. (Thank you Seth Rich). Trump was expecting it. They stick to their tactics like glue, no matter what! Makes them predictable.

Democrats demanded all of this. Now they have it. Let the squirming begin.



When Comey held that bizarre press conference where he carefully spelled out all the crimes Hillary had committed and ended with his conclusion not to proceed with the matter on the non-ground that there was no nefarious intent.

The statement was outright bizarre on its face.
That was a helluva loud signal right there.

I'm not concluding this is all 4D chess. But it would be so great if it was.

Blogger DonReynolds May 20, 2017 8:33 PM  

Vince Foster was a long time ago. So it may be worth a moment to recall....
Vince Foster worked closely with Hillary Clinton and they had a very friendly, even affectionate, relationship. But supposedly, Vince was found dead in his car in a national park near Washington, shot to death (multiple shots). There was no suicide note, no weapon was found, and his car keys were never found either....but somehow this was ruled a suicide. Now for the fun part, the Federal Park Rangers claimed jurisdiction over the investigation, not the local sheriff, and they decided it was a suicide. No more questions. I never realized the National Park Service had murder investigators and a crime lab. The FBI should have conducted the investigation if there was no local jurisdiction over park property.

Everybody knows, Vince Foster was murdered.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 20, 2017 8:38 PM  

DonReynolds
But supposedly, Vince was found dead in his car in a national park near Washington,

No. Foster was found on a trail out of sight.

shot to death (multiple shots).

Shot yes, multiple shots not known due to coverup.


There was no suicide note, no weapon was found,

No, a black revolver was down the slope from Foster.

and his car keys were never found either....but somehow this was ruled a suicide. Now for the fun part, the Federal Park Rangers

Park police.

https://www.amazon.com/Strange-Death-Vincent-Foster-Investigation/dp/074324253X

Blogger DonReynolds May 20, 2017 9:07 PM  

Back in 1995, I was working as economist for the state Health Care Association and one of my good friends was a nursing home administrator in NE Arkansas, Larry McFadden. He came by my office to chat, said he had just left the hospital visiting his old roommate from college. The old roomy had been seriously beat up, with multiple contusions, bones broken, ribs, teeth missing. He was in bad shape.

His old roomy from college lived in a converted high rise apartment complex in Little Rock, which had formerly been a Holiday Inn....now called The Torches. He had a breakin at his apartment while he was at work. It happens in a city. They took the usual televisions and vcr and other stuff. Just your basic robbery, so the guy had a camera installed over his apartment door and run a video tape all day, hoping to catch a video of the robber when he returned. But he was lazy. He did not always have time to review the tape. He just kept it and used a fresh one the next day and accumulated quite a few tapes.

It turns out that one of Governor Bill Clinton's girlfriends lived across the hall, directly in front of the camera, so every time Bill came jogging over for fun with Jenifer, he ended up on video tape. When the story broke about Jenifer Flowers, he went back and started reviewing the tapes and there was the governor, coming and going from her apartment.

Not long after that, members of the state police detail broke down his door and beat the man within an inch of his life, confiscated all the VHS tapes, and ransacked the apartment, looking for other useful items. He was carried to St. Vincent's Infirmary in Little Rock. No idea if he ever got out of the hospital or what happened later.

Soon after that, Larry McFadden quit his job as nursing home administrator and left with a girlfriend back into the Ozark Mountains. He was clearly worried for his own safety. I tried to raise him but he just basically disappeared. Never heard from him again. (Oh yeah....and I was fired as economist at the Health Care Association for "insubordination".)

Blogger DonReynolds May 20, 2017 9:15 PM  

@123 A Deplorable...
But supposedly, Vince was found dead in his car in a national park near Washington,

No. Foster was found on a trail out of sight.

I had read a story that Vince Foster was found in the passenger seat of his own car, with the doors locked, and the car keys missing.

I had heard about the gun, but reports say it was not the gun that killed Foster. Perhaps they found his own gun or used his gun and left a drop gun. Either way, the gun found was supposedly not the gun that killed him.

Blogger seeingsights May 20, 2017 9:38 PM  

After reading the posts here, I'm inclined to think it was an associate of Seth Rich in Democratic Party politics that killed him. Perhaps someone in the DNC, or in the Clinton campaign. That would also explain why it wasn't a clean kill--the murder wasn't committed by a professional assassin.

There have been professional assassinations. Read about the interesting life of Professor Culianu. He was found murdered in a men's bathroom at the University of Chicago. The assassin apparently went into the next bathroom stall and it took just one shot from a gun with a silencer. The date and place of the murder also had symbolic significance.



Blogger Tim Scott May 20, 2017 9:42 PM  

Back in the '80s I was hired to rebuild the off-site records warehouse for a small hospital. The lady who hired me, the head of the Medical Records department, told me that she hired me because of a conversation she had with a lawyer at an industry convention. The lawyer said that whenever somebody came to him wanting to sue a hospital he always advised them to wait a year. Why? Because it gives them time to misplace the records. Just something to keep in mind about the efficiency of hospital record-keeping.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 20, 2017 9:48 PM  

Supposedly, they found a gun in Foster's hand. But that's where it gets interesting... (I had to go dig out Chris Ruddy's book for some of the details; my memory's not that good.)

The first witness saw no gun, just his hands face up at his sides. Later witnesses claimed to have seen one in his right hand -- most said a black revolver, though one said a larger semi-auto. A Park Police photo leaked to media showed a revolver in his hand with his thumb in the trigger guard.

That in itself is rare; normally in a suicide the recoil flings the gun away from the shooter, because he can't brace it against anything, and he's not exactly thinking about holding onto it for the future. But hey, assume it got stuck on his thumb for some reason. It was a Colt .38 revolver, which was never identified as being part of his collection, and for which matching ammo was never found in his homes. The police took lots of crime scene photos, of course -- and most of the photos went missing, of course. Don't they always?

There were also powder burns on both of his hands. Powder burns from that revolver would come from between the cylinder and the barrel (or the end of the barrel, of course). So try to picture how he must have been holding it: barrel in his mouth, right thumb on the trigger, right fingers pointing back towards his face along the barrel, and his left hand also around the cylinder and barrel, not on the butt to hold it steady. Does that make sense at all? And it stayed in his hand?

That's just one small part of all the contradictions. Two different places of death reported, two different exit wounds (top of head or neck), exit wound way too small, no bullet found after multiple metal detector searches (they found a bunch of other bullets, but not that one), no gunpowder on the tongue or broken teeth, no keys in his pockets and then two key rings magically showed up in his pockets later, found in an open patch of soil with no soil on his shoes, etc. And a so-called suicide note (which talked about his regrets but didn't mention suicide) that was produced a week after his death, supposedly found torn into a couple dozen pieces in his briefcase, even though they had searched his briefcase twice in the presence of Park Police days earlier, and the bottom piece where he might have signed it was missing.

But hey, that was all vast right-wing conspiracy stuff, nothing decent people would pay any attention to when the economy was doing so well.

Blogger JWM in SD May 20, 2017 9:51 PM  

Webb thinks that the DC police are lying about the route back to home that Seth walked while drunk that night. He walked the route and it took much less time to arrive at Seth's place than the official timeline...something doesn't add up. He thinks that they went to a strip club that night instead and that's where it all started. Probably went through drug induced interrogation.

Blogger JWM in SD May 20, 2017 10:01 PM  

"After reading the posts here, I'm inclined to think it was an associate of Seth Rich in Democratic Party politics that killed him. Perhaps someone in the DNC, or in the Clinton campaign. That would also explain why it wasn't a clean kill--the murder wasn't committed by a professional assassin."

Umm, no. Why is it so difficult for some grasp that they don't want it to look like a hit job?!?!? It needed to look like robbery gone badly. If it were someone from his work, there would have been persons of interest already.

OpenID nostreculsus May 20, 2017 10:24 PM  

I don't see how this fits the timeline. Seth Rich was shot in the back about 4:15 AM on 7/10/16. He was pronounced dead at 5:57 AM on 7/10/16.

We are told by anonymous fourth year resident that he was taken to the hospital ER, examined, OR staff and anesthesia assembled, OR opened, and that Rich was prepped, draped, underwent emergent exploratory laparotomy, liver packed, 12 cm of bowel resected, Rich sewn back up, moved to ICU, post op hematocrit taken, 2 units of blood transfused, all within a 1 hour 42 minute time frame.

Then, "about 8 hours after he arrived we were swarmed by LEOs" etc. Perhaps a sleep-deprived resident has mixed up another case with Mr Rich's case.

Anonymous Phil Mann May 20, 2017 10:40 PM  

Umm, no. Why is it so difficult for some grasp that they don't want it to look like a hit job?!?!? It needed to look like robbery gone badly.

Exactly. Check out the killing of Allen Dorfman in 1983. That is what a professional hit on a non-combatant looks like when they don't care that it looks professional, and probably even want everyone to know. This had to look different to avoid making it too obvious.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 20, 2017 11:37 PM  

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Blogger JWM in SD May 21, 2017 1:47 AM  

Or the whOle msm narrative is a lie.

Blogger Stephen May 21, 2017 2:32 AM  

Incompetence is NEVER implausible! There is no slick movie like world where everyone is super competent and professional and no one has bad luck or suffers any human foibles. Things get botched everywhere at all levels.

There is no hitman school were a long list of applicants go to get test their skill on live targets for marks out of ten which they can then advertise on the hit men for hire bulletin board. Hitmen are just scumbags that you have some really juicy blackmail material on so that they dont go rogue. And you don't climb to the top of an organization by being competent but by being an arshole and playing politics.

Also imagine if you are hitman you do a few quick gut shots to make it look like a gangbanger but then as you are walking up to him to finish him of some traffic starts coming down the road do you attract attention by shooting the gun in front of witnesses or do you just walk on hoping they wont notice the guy on the ground. Even if you are superslick there are all sorts of inconvenient things that can happen.

Blogger Koanic May 21, 2017 3:13 AM  

hitperson

Anonymous Icicle May 21, 2017 3:26 AM  

Back in 1995, I was working as economist for the state Health Care Association

As the Clintons end the end stage of their lives (barring transfusions from infant blood) their power wanes and I expect more and more of these stories to start popping out.

Blogger Stephen May 21, 2017 6:39 AM  

The skull is quite tough you do not just simply put a knife in it. And a professional hit should not look like a professional hit, it should look as ordinary a death as possible.

Anonymous Teapartydoc May 21, 2017 8:48 AM  

There needs to be a grand jury and several independent expert surgeons need to go over the charts and report on the findings and treatment plan and execution without knowledge of the other experts findings. Witness separation.

Anonymous Teapartydoc May 21, 2017 8:53 AM  

#135 perfectly reasonable. VIPs actually get the worst care in the hospital. Sometimes the lowest person on the ladder can make a big difference. When I was an intern a we were rounding on a guy who was not doing well after a gallbladder surgery and I made an of chances remark to the chief resident that maybe we should have cardiology look at the guy because his pulse pressure was widening, so least as far as I could tell. Turned out he had staphylococcal endocarditis of a bifid aortic valve. The guy died a couple of days later anyway.

Anonymous Teapartydoc May 21, 2017 8:55 AM  

An offhand remark. Stupid autocorrect

Blogger dvdivx May 21, 2017 9:35 AM  

My guess is the hitman is a vibrant and his boss is a vibrant. Could be the vibrant constantly helping Clinton during the campaign. A more clever hitman would use something like polonium, then the Russians can be blamed. This July st screams incompetence. Waco and Ruby Ridge were clear we're coming for you type messages. No incompetence just unbridled evil.

Blogger Basil Makedon May 21, 2017 9:39 AM  

Too much smoke for there to be no fire -- Rich was the source of wikileaks and was likely killed for it.

My own thinking is moving towards an interrogation gone wrong (or right) that ended with Rich trying to flee and getting plugged in the back.

This explains the sounds that the girlfriend heard, this explains why the cops were on the scene quickly (because the confrontation began much earlier than the shooting) and Rich's damage to his face, hands and the gunshots in the back.

It might also explain why nothing was stolen in the "robbery gone wrong," because the confrontation began earlier and the hitman (or men) weren't pros, they spooked when they heard the sirens.

Finishing him off at the hospital is possible, because after the botched interrogation and hit, the hitter would have to "escalate" and then some real pros had to take out the trash. If this is true, then the original hitter is also likely dead -- any other bodies at the DNC? Someone who died in their sleep or of a heart attack?

Beyond that, it seems to me that the timeline is getting murkier, not clearer.

Blogger dvdivx May 21, 2017 9:39 AM  

God do I hate autocorrect. It was "this hit screams incompetence" not July. I'd love to see a short story about how badly autocorrect could screw with someone. Love dark humor.

Anonymous BBGKB May 21, 2017 10:08 AM  

some real pros had to take out the trash. If this is true, then the original hitter is also likely dead -- any other bodies at the DNC?

Dude it was in Philly they don't use hearses but dump trucks for all the bodies on a summer night.

Blogger JWM in SD May 21, 2017 10:09 AM  

"God do I hate autocorrect."
Am I the only one who thinks that autocorrect has gotten worse over the past few years? I think it's being used as a form of subtle censorship frankly.

Blogger JWM in SD May 21, 2017 11:03 AM  

Watch, the Dems are going to claim that Rich was either working unwittingly for the Russians or that the Russians killed him because he discovered evidence of their hack attempts. There was already a some GOP asshat asserting this back in February but it didn't get much press then for some reason.

Anonymous Looking Glass May 21, 2017 11:07 AM  

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6cbneg/red_alert_they_are_editing_seth_richs_reddit/

Now Reddit's Admins are covering up Seth Rich's account(s) on Reddit. We'll see if they're cleaning his Twitter account(s) as well.

While the post at the top may be a LARPer, there is zero question this was a political hit and it's being covered up. Even if they never find who pulled off the hit, expect the Memes to be brutal on anyone at the DNC through the next 4 years.

Anonymous BBGKB May 21, 2017 11:12 AM  

autocorrect has gotten worse over the past few years? I think it's being used as a form of subtle censorship

I blame the juice

Blogger losemoneyfast May 21, 2017 11:13 AM  

This looks like an attempt to refocus the hypothesis on specific details that can be easily discredited. i.e. “Seth Rich was killed for DNC leaks” becomes “Seth Rich finished off in hospital by law enforcement”

Same thing happend with Pizzagate. Truth: “Podesta & Co. are pimping children to pedo politicians” became “there is a satanic kill room in the basement of Comet Ping Pong”

The post is trying too hard with the overt use of OR lingo (to a lay-audience), and most surgery residents are too busy not sleeping to be reading /pol/. But if this guy just happened to be the exception, then he would know that this post would put him in very serious danger.

Blogger JWM in SD May 21, 2017 11:25 AM  

"This looks like an attempt to refocus the hypothesis on specific details that can be easily discredited."

So it could be another media trap. Need to find out if that post can be linked to Media Matters or Sharblu somehow.

Anonymous EH May 21, 2017 11:34 AM  

Jack Ward wrote:...

Wonderfully insightful and encouraging.

Anonymous Icicle May 21, 2017 11:34 AM  

Now Reddit's Admins are covering up Seth Rich's account(s) on Reddit. We'll see if they're cleaning his Twitter account(s) as well.

They scrubbed the NYT archives as well of the pedophilia arrest stories.

WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?

Blogger JWM in SD May 21, 2017 12:13 PM  

I know it's not related to the OP regarding the injuries but I'll mention it here and now. I think Rod Wheeler caught them by surprise with the assertion about Seth and Wikileaks. I don't think this was anticipated by Deep State which makes me wonder if it didn't come out the Trump Admin.. We'll see if the msm tries to spin it into a trap or conflate Seth with Russian Hackers somehow again. I think the latter is more likely.

Blogger JWM in SD May 21, 2017 12:48 PM  

"WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?"

David Brock and his SJW's.

Anonymous AndyKnoor May 21, 2017 1:21 PM  

Oh yeah, this is gonna be good. You guys are going to hunt down the Seth Rich killers just like you hunted down the pedos in the basement of Comet PingPong. Wait, that turned into an embarrassing fiasco, didn't it? I haven't seen anything on the blog about that, maybe because VD is too much of a fraud to admit when that he was so predictably wrong.

Blogger JWM in SD May 21, 2017 1:43 PM  

Hi David...took you a while to show up.

Anonymous Ken7- May 21, 2017 5:35 PM  

Interesting and telling that the bulk of the conversation anywhere on the Internet about this subject is about HOW the Clintons would knock off Seth Rich, not did they do it.

Everyone knows the Clintons are evil. Wicked deeds are now assumed.

Anonymous Ken7- May 21, 2017 5:46 PM  

As for the Clinton fans, how many people in your own life have been murdered or committed suicide?

Is that a normal thing to have a high number of people in your life who have died young and unexpectedly?

It is for the Clintons.

Blogger VD May 21, 2017 6:11 PM  

Wait, that turned into an embarrassing fiasco, didn't it?

Not at all. Over a thousand pedos have been arrested since. And you think that's unrelated?

Right.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 21, 2017 6:36 PM  

God do I hate autocorrect.

Are you required to use it? I don't.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 21, 2017 6:44 PM  

You guys are going to hunt down the Seth Rich killers just like you hunted down the pedos in the basement of Comet PingPong.

Yes, that's what's going to happen, with the true details of exactly where and when sorted out along the way as they are in any investigation.

You should learn to better hide your fear of these crimes being exposed.

Blogger MNW May 21, 2017 10:28 PM  

Documentation is only as good as the people doing it.

Cameras are only useful if anyone bothers to look at them or a recording.

Money and power go further in The Swamp then we might realize or aknowlage.

Blogger JP May 22, 2017 2:01 AM  

You forgot that the Dems top PR spin doctor is speaking on behalf of a penniless family, and after he shows up the family doesn't want it investigated and their private investigator changes his story.

Also, street thugs would probably rat each other out for a $125k reward.

Blogger Basil Makedon May 22, 2017 10:59 AM  

Seth Rich story getting stranger and stranger.

The centipedes are tracking down Rich's, or what they believe to be, social media accounts and archiving them all.

Apparently, the man liked Pandas ... and the DNC brought a Panda that his coworkers gave to him to the DNC to watch Hillary's speech like some kind of millennial garden gnome prank.

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