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Monday, May 15, 2017

Chinese for "SJW"

BAIZUO is the Chinese term for SJW. Good to know in case we decide to publish Chinese editions of SJWAL and the forthcoming SJWADD.
If you look at any thread about Trump, Islam or immigration on a Chinese social media platform these days, it’s impossible to avoid encountering the term baizuo, or literally, the ‘white left’. It first emerged about two years ago, and yet has quickly become one of the most popular derogatory descriptions for Chinese netizens to discredit their opponents in online debates.

So what does ‘white left’ mean in the Chinese context, and what’s behind the rise of its (negative) popularity? It might not be an easy task to define the term, for as a social media buzzword and very often an instrument for ad hominem attack, it could mean different things for different people. A thread on “why well-educated elites in the west are seen as naïve “white left” in China” on Zhihu, a question-and-answer website said to have a high percentage of active users who are professionals and intellectuals, might serve as a starting point.

The question has received more than 400 answers from Zhihu users, which include some of the most representative perceptions of the 'white left'. Although the emphasis varies, baizuo is used generally to describe those who “only care about topics such as immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment” and “have no sense of real problems in the real world”; they are hypocritical humanitarians who advocate for peace and equality only to “satisfy their own feeling of moral superiority”; they are “obsessed with political correctness” to the extent that they “tolerate backwards Islamic values for the sake of multiculturalism”; they believe in the welfare state that “benefits only the idle and the free riders”; they are the “ignorant and arrogant westerners” who “pity the rest of the world and think they are saviours”.  

Apart from some anti-hegemonic sentiments, the connotations of ‘white left’ in the Chinese context clearly resemble terms such as ‘regressive liberals’ or ‘libtards’ in the United States. In a way the demonization of the ‘white left’ in Chinese social media may also reflect the resurgence of right-wing populism globally.
I suspect that the demonization of SJWs in Chinese social media is a reflection of the global growth of the Alt-Right. Asians in general, and the Chinese in particular, are far more intensely nationalistic than Westerners these days, as, unlike the West, they have cast off most of the cultural Marxism that Mao inflicted upon them. Since that experience of Cultural Revolution cost over 50 million Chinese lives, it is no wonder that they are not eager for more imposed cultural change.

Although there are no shortage of Chinese SJWs in the West, who are trying to use the SJW Narrative to their immediate benefit in a foreign land, the smarter Chinese are aware of how that ever-mutating Narrative will be used against them, as indeed it already is in cases such as justifying anti-Asian discrimination in the Ivy League. Being a low-trust people themselves, they will use the Narrative when it benefits them and oppose it when it doesn't. But in neither case will they actually take it seriously, or genuinely subscribe to social justice ideals. They know SJWs for a true enemy.

Being an astute and self-conscious people, the Chinese are perfectly aware of why the West is in decline and the various parties who are responsible for that decline. It should be no surprise that they have absolutely no intention of following the West's failed path of equalitarianism and multiculturalism, for all that the Chinese leadership presently gives lip service to globalism and free trade.
Seen from the perspective of international relations, the anti-baizuo discourse can be understood as part of what William A. Callahan calls ‘negative soft power’, that is, constructing the Chinese self through ‘the deliberate creation and then exclusion’ of Others as ‘barbarians’ or otherwise inferior. Criticisms of the ‘white left’ against the background of the European refugee crisis fit especially well with the ‘rising China’ versus ‘Europe in decline’ narrative. According to Baidu Trends, one of the most related keywords to baizuo was huimie: “to destroy”. Articles with titles such as ‘the white left are destroying Europe’ were widely circulated. 
The Chinese Alt-Right has the potential to be an extraordinarily powerful force, and if it can keep China's historical imperialist tendencies in check, it may prove to be a vital ally to the Alt-Right in the West in the long term.

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128 Comments:

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable May 15, 2017 6:06 AM  

Curiouser and curiouser. Goes to what Vox has often said about how an effective political position really describes what already exists rather than how it wants the world to be.

Blogger ZhukovG May 15, 2017 6:15 AM  

The Chinese experienced what happens when you allow SJW like creatures power. They are not keen to repeat that mistake.

Blogger J A Baker May 15, 2017 6:26 AM  

Social Justice- the policy that when a government has been replaced with a communist dictatorship all people regardless of age, gender, sexual orientation, race, religion etc, shall have equal opportunity for liquidation without discrimination.

Blogger SteelPalm May 15, 2017 6:33 AM  

I found this article on AmRen, written by a white college professor teaching in China, very revealing;

https://www.amren.com/features/2017/03/chinese-college-students-think-race/

Of course, as I noted in the comments, his excuse for the ridiculous hypocrisy of his Chinese students (they advocate globalism and Social Justice for the US and West, nationalism for China) is exceedingly generous.

Nevertheless, the Chinese have a relatively healthy nationalistic attitude (for themselves, at least), and are a tough, stoic, capable race. Who haven't yet lost the brutality and "manly instinct" so vital to a nation.

Blogger SouthRon May 15, 2017 6:33 AM  

I wonder to what extent "Rising China" fits together with the Back to Jerusalem movement. Chinese Christians are aware that Christianity has flowed in a westward direction around the world and is now growing in China. They see it as their responsibility as Christians to carry it as missionaries the rest of the way back to Jerusalem.

Lord knows the turn from Christianity has certainly lead to" Europe in Decline".

Anonymous Icicle May 15, 2017 6:35 AM  

The Chinese experienced what happens when you allow SJW like creatures power.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CitfXK_BvY

Blogger Shane Sullivan May 15, 2017 6:37 AM  

The future is indeed an interesting one. Once America's global empire has shattered, the world stage will be dominated by Russia and China

Anonymous Looking Glass May 15, 2017 6:44 AM  

@5 SouthRon

The rather rapid Christianization of chunks of East Asia is going to be a fairly important trend reaching into the latter half of the 21st Century. South Korea will be majority Christian by the end of the Century. Minus the civil war that's likely to happen.

China could have more Christians that people living in the USA by the end of the century. That very good for their souls, but, well, it always causes societal tensions.

Chinese, especially in the West, get the "game". They're extremely good at playing games, but they don't really do inventive things. So they're masters are being utter hypocrites. I wonder where they learned that trait?

Blogger Chris McCullough May 15, 2017 6:45 AM  

It warms my heart to know other countries hate SJWs as much as we do.

Blogger Samuel Nock May 15, 2017 6:47 AM  

"Asians in general, and the Chinese in particular, are far more intensely nationalistic than Westerners these days."

I find that it is surprisingly easy to "flip" Chinese people from an anti-Trump / pro-globalist position through dialectic engagement with them. Their inherent nationalism makes it easy to point out double-standards in what they want for themselves and what they want for us.

Chinese interlocutors very quickly realize that their opposition to Trump is in fact based on the fact that Trump is standing up for his people's own national interest, just as China's leaders do. There are actually a fair number of Chinese who like Trump and instinctively "get" him because of his own instinctive nationalism.

And regarding globalism, Chinese are quick to pick up that it is an uneven, unfair game, that they only support in unilaterally: the cheap labor currently benefits them, as does open U.S. borders. But when you ask them whether they, therefore, support open borders for China, they quickly say no and are smart enough to realize how incoherent their position is.

I have had quite some success with this approach. Caveat: I am talking about real PRC nationals, not ABC Chinese, who are - as Vox notes above - far more SJW in their politics.

I actually just Gabbed about one of these conversations today. The punchline, which 300 character was too short to show, is that he essentially admitted that the Alt Right position on immigration and trade is more coherent.

https://gab.ai/SamuelNock/posts/7787906

Blogger VD May 15, 2017 6:49 AM  

So they're masters are being utter hypocrites. I wonder where they learned that trait?

They didn't learn it from anyone. All low-trust groups behave that way. That's why I always say that both the Jews and the Europeans fail to understand their mutual history. The Jews are neither an evil nor a hyper-competent people. They simply happened to be the only competent, low-trust group in a position to exploit various high-trust groups for centuries.

That's why they are now over-confident and are getting steam-rolled by the Chinese and other Asians in areas of mutual competition. I would bet that after Blacks, Jews are on average the least-qualified, least-intelligent students in the Ivy League now.

Anonymous Icicle May 15, 2017 6:49 AM  

the smarter Chinese are aware of how that ever-mutating Narrative will be used against them, as indeed it already is in cases such as justifying anti-Asian discrimination in the Ivy League.

https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/05/arizona-uni-student-spies/

Vox have you seen this? The SJWs are literally duplicating the Stasi or Red Guard on a campus. Incredible.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer May 15, 2017 7:10 AM  

Icicle wrote:the smarter Chinese are aware of how that ever-mutating Narrative will be used against them, as indeed it already is in cases such as justifying anti-Asian discrimination in the Ivy League.



Vox have you seen this? The SJWs are literally duplicating the Stasi or Red Guard on a campus. Incredible.


It could be a funny opportunity to black knight. Sign up and then proceed to target the lilly white SJWs on campus. Also organize your "educational events" at times and in ways that would draw the attention of wealthy alumni.

Blogger Sherwood family May 15, 2017 7:11 AM  

Vox, in what way do you believe the Chinese Alt-Right would be a benefit to the Alt-Right in the West?

While Western Alt-Right could point out that nationalist practices work for the Chinese in contrast to the stupid SJW dogma that the West is currently fixated on; a more nationalist China seems to be more of a competitor rather than ally of the Western Alt-Right.

What am I missing?

Blogger SteelPalm May 15, 2017 7:18 AM  

@11

That's why they are now over-confident and are getting steam-rolled by the Chinese and other Asians in areas of mutual competition. I would bet that after Blacks, Jews are on average the least-qualified, least-intelligent students in the Ivy League now.

In terms of SAT scores and any other academic accomplishments, Hispanics are far below either whites or Jews. Whites and Jews are both below Asians.

Off the top of my head, a black Ivy League student has a SAT score 270 points lower than a white student. A Hispanic Ivy League student has a SAT score 130 points lower than a white student. Whites and Jews are about the same.

And Asians have SAT scores 140 points HIGHER than whites/Jews.

Blogger Samuel Nock May 15, 2017 7:20 AM  

@14 Read the full 16 Points of the Alt Right. Vox didn't say "nationalist China", he said "the Chinese Alt Right.

See, e.g., points 4, 6, 10, 13, 14, 15 and 16. A China that accepted those would be an amazing ally.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/what-alt-right-is.html


Blogger SteelPalm May 15, 2017 7:21 AM  

I like Vox's little disclaimer, too;

if it can keep China's historical imperialist tendencies in check,

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass May 15, 2017 7:26 AM  

Glad to see I still remember some of my Mandarin: 白左

It's like one day in class, one of my classmates an ABC was wearing a shirt that said this: 白人看不懂

When I pointed out that I understood it, he said I'm not white. Too bad: I am.

"Being an astute and self-conscious people, the Chinese are perfectly aware of why the West is in decline and the various parties who are responsible for that decline. It should be no surprise that they have absolutely no intention of following the West's failed path of equalitarianism and multiculturalism, for all that the Chinese leadership presently gives lip service to globalism and free trade."

I love it when liberals are horrified to discover that the outsiders they've venerate so much actually are more politically incorrect than we are. The Chinese and Mexicans are two fine examples of this.

"It could be a funny opportunity to black knight. Sign up and then proceed to target the lilly white SJWs on campus. Also organize your "educational events" at times and in ways that would draw the attention of wealthy alumni."

@13 Black knighting that would be hilarious.

Anonymous Pug May 15, 2017 7:26 AM  

@icicle

That clip is pure horror. Looking at that march it looks like a university protest these days, only more organized. We can be thankful that sjw's in the west lack discipline of the Chineese, otherwise they would be in absolute control already, organizing work camps.

Blogger Sherwood family May 15, 2017 7:27 AM  

I am not sure that I can really see the Chinese Alt-Right subscribing to points 4, 13, or 14. But I see what you mean in terms of how subscribing to 6, 10, 15, and 16 would be beneficial.

Blogger Samuel Nock May 15, 2017 7:30 AM  

@18 "I love it when liberals are horrified to discover that the outsiders they've venerate so much actually are more politically incorrect than we are."

Perhaps more than anything else, adherence to the modern Western liberal outlook reveals an utter and complete ignorance of other societies and cultures.

Anonymous Jordi May 15, 2017 7:34 AM  

SJW doesn't sound good

I like the nice sound of Baizuo

Blogger Timmy3 May 15, 2017 7:36 AM  

The American Chinese are fully Democrats and will continue to be until it suits them otherwise. Highly educated or not, they are contradictory as they are fully susceptible to suspicion and superstitions. There's a word for everything. Just don't trust them to make sense.

Blogger Samuel Nock May 15, 2017 7:37 AM  

@20

Points 4, 13 and 14 are excellent acid tests for how intellectually honest someone is, including potential Chinese Alt Right allies:

Point 4: if they reject it, ask them to reject modern medicine, plumbing, aeronautics, etc. In favour of traditional Chinese technologies.

Point 13: Ask them to open their borders to the poor poor Africans, who subsist on much less per day than the Chinese.

Point 14: This is uncontroversial, and merely gives some specificity as to whether someone truly supports points 4, 10, 15 and in particular 16. If they can't say 14 out loud, they are intellectually incoherent.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 15, 2017 7:40 AM  

Do the Gods of Diversity favor the Baizou?

Of course that is a question we for some reason cannot ask.

Blogger Ben Cohen May 15, 2017 7:40 AM  

Can you cite an article on low versus high trust, on what it means exactly? Thanks.

Blogger Keyser Soze May 15, 2017 7:43 AM  

And the Chinese are smart enough to take advantage of the West's stupid efforts with regard to globalism, equalitarianism, multiculturalism and climate change. They will gladly cheer us on, falsely commit to joining the insanity with absolutely no intent of contributing money or effort. Knowing that the further we fall, the more pieces they will have to easily pick up. Better yet, if we can pay them on the way down..... Chinese will use us to their full advantage.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinas-xi-decries-protectionism-touts-silk-road-035110919--finance.html

Blogger Glenn Donovan May 15, 2017 7:43 AM  

Trying to give Vox's POV a fair listening as I think he's certainly one of the most interesting people on the right. This is due to his hewing to an intellectually honest path, and being willing to discuss and debate and refine his views as new information comes along.

But that doesn't mean he's correct in his analyses. I was laughing as I read this post, as though the idea that the Chinese are uber nationalists is some kind of surprise. What he seems to miss is that they are overtly Sino-Supremacist. Listen to the rhetoric coming from the govt, its intellectuals and public figures. China's economic rise is seen as proof positive of their innate superiority - in everything. It may be that this aspect of China's culture reveals the problems with the world order Vox advocates for...

You can't understand today's China without understanding the history of China and its culture. Confucianism still holds great sway, and the Chinese govt has morphed it to portray its "meritocracy" as the fairest and most just system on earth. Supposedly, people are winnowed out via the schools and only the most deserving "succeed" under their system. In other words, it's used to reinforce a covert class consciousness that aligns well with Confucian social order.

The Chinese think they are superior to everyone - not just white Leftists. And to believe there is a "Chinese alt right" is to announce how little one knows about China and its politics to begin with.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass May 15, 2017 7:44 AM  

@26. High trust: think small town where people leave their doors unlocked, etc.

Low trust: NYC, DC, LA

Blogger Shane Sullivan May 15, 2017 7:47 AM  

@14 The only way the West will escape the current maelstrom of madness it's in is through war; sometimes the most useful thing for foreign nations(allies) to do is to stay out of our affairs and not take advantage of us while we rebuild.

Blogger Samuel Nock May 15, 2017 7:47 AM  

@26

The following article doesn't define it, but read the section on crimes of fraud perpetrated by immigrants from Asia, the Middle East and other places, and you'll understand. Then think about Switzerland and Finland, by contrast.

http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2016/12/the-diversity-tax.html

Blogger Koanic May 15, 2017 7:48 AM  

I wonder what a people has to do to qualify as evil.

Blogger VD May 15, 2017 7:48 AM  

In terms of SAT scores and any other academic accomplishments, Hispanics are far below either whites or Jews. Whites and Jews are both below Asians.

I'm a little surprised they're even letting Hispanics in at all, given how massively they are disproportionately underepresented.

It's obvious that aside from the dregs of the AA crew - Blacks, Hispanics, and whoever else qualifies - Jews have gone from being the elite of those universities to the below-average. Because in order to get in now, the Asians and the non-Jewish whites have to be better than them.

Anonymous Icicle May 15, 2017 7:49 AM  

High trust: think small town

Also Japan.

In other words, it's used to reinforce a covert class consciousness that aligns well with Confucian social order.

Christianity is spreading this time.

Blogger VD May 15, 2017 7:52 AM  

What he seems to miss is that they are overtly Sino-Supremacist.

I'm an East Asian Studies major. I don't miss that at all. What you quite clearly don't understand is that imperialism is a net negative for a culture. It is possible that the Chinese are smart enough to learn from the West in this regard as well.

Of course, they may simply decide to repeat the follies of earlier imperialist societies. It is always very tempting to have others work your fields for you while you eat like an effendi.

Blogger Samuel Nock May 15, 2017 7:56 AM  

Given how over-represented Jews already are just based on population, it's even more shocking to contemplate that their test scores probably make the situation even more outrageous.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

Anonymous TheHiss May 15, 2017 7:59 AM  

Looks like this expression could take over from SJW - it certainly sounds much more impressive as invective. So the following information could be useful.

Here are the characters for báizuǒ : 白左

bai rhymes with eye
zuo is pronounced more or less like swore with a t in front, i.e. tswore
Equal stress on both syllables (as in one two)
The singular and the plural are the same, e.g he's a baizuo, they are baizuo

Blogger Doom May 15, 2017 8:01 AM  

A very long bloody slog for them to even get to the point where they have access to the influence to choose the paths you discuss. So many ways it could go wrong, far more wrong paths, even final paths, than right. For one, without Christianity as a prime mover, and openly available, they will not ever be a true long-term ally, much as the problem with alt-white. Short term, perhaps into medium term, only without that. I even suspect Christianity would have to be well rooted there, and it's not. I suspect Christianity is more of a resistance than a true faith there.

I know they think they are civilized, and the West barbaric. But that is just a cover for the shame of their history. For them to be civil, they would have to have stable history of government. Their current government murdered their last government and millions, tens of millions, maybe a hundred and more million, of their people. The dynasty before it did the same, and so on into vast antiquity. The depth, breadth, and span of corruption in their governments are only equaled by Russia. They are as civilized as Africa, which makes their attempts to colonize their fitting. And... it'll go so sideways they'll scrub the history books of it.

Most of them are malnourished field squatters who can't speak the tongue of as close as the next village over. They don't like each other, considering the various races among them more as animals than men, so of course anyone else would be even worse. They are not civilized. In that sense, they remind me of muslims... croaking on the hypocrisy and never missing a beat. They just murder any who notice, or attack them however they can.

However, in one sense, when you get them to shut the poetic nonsense, they get down to brass tacks, if in a secular way, and attempt to play the game and hard. They just... aren't very good at it. No worries, it they were wise they would choose humble wisdom rather than pride. So few do, without given unbridled understanding in a way they just can't deny. That, however, and often, is final.

Anonymous Icicle May 15, 2017 8:02 AM  

I wonder what a people has to do to qualify as evil.

The Assyrians? Aztec?

What you quite clearly don't understand is that imperialism is a net negative for a culture.

Interesting those two I listed were also empires.

it's even more shocking to contemplate that their test scores probably make the situation even more outrageous.

How exactly are they moving up? Not "ethnocentrism" but more specific, "doing A-B-C, then guy X is doing Y for..."

We should flush that out.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer May 15, 2017 8:05 AM  

Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass wrote:@26. High trust: think small town where people leave their doors unlocked, etc.

Low trust: NYC, DC, LA


To flesh it out a little more, the point on low-trust is; If you assume everyone is out to screw you then it makes you a sucker if you aren't also trying to screw them. It results in you screwing over the high trust people and pulling even with the other low-trust people. The problem is this causes others to become low-trust and ultimately a low-trust society leads to a much worse society when all the high-trust individuals are converted to low-trust.

Anonymous JAG May 15, 2017 8:07 AM  

I'm going to culturally appropriate the term BAIZUO. I like it. Most SJWs in the West won't realize what it means... at first.

Anonymous Looking Glass May 15, 2017 8:08 AM  

@34 Icicle

Talking about Japan in High Trust situations is incorrect. It's neither high or low trust. Japan is ultra High Societal-level Trust. Nihonjin wa nihonjin. However, it's extremely low Inter-personal Trust. Most societies tend to have the Trust levels in similar measure, whereas the Japanese do not.

As for China, 3 major border regions are at the extremes of their historic control (Western Uighur region, Tibet & Manchuria) and require constant suppression campaigns to maintain control. Numbers are hard to nail down, but China might have more debt than the USA & Japan combined at this point. And the Yuan is actually massively over-valued, which is why Trump has so much leverage with China.

China is on the bullet train to repeating Japan's Bubble Burst, but they are reaching it at much poorer state. The total economy of China still seems to be below that of Japan, a country with 1/10th of the population.

Blogger Thomas Henderson May 15, 2017 8:15 AM  

Baizou, the name is a keeper.

Sounds a bit like Gazoo, as in the 'Great Gazoo', the alien character from the Flintstones. White lefties sometime come across as beyond belief, out of this world, and unmistakably alien.

"Ba", as in bai, is the sound a sheep makes. If the suffix zou is phonetically like "zoo", it's a nice mental association with a place to keep and watch wild animals.

"Social justice warriors" and "white leftists" as titles are each a mouthful. Baizou flows off the tongue much more readily.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft May 15, 2017 8:17 AM  

@28 Glenn, arrogance/vainglory(call it pride if you will) has always been a huge problem, you're really not positing anything new here.

Also, saying that there is a growth of alt-right style thought in China != there being a Chinese alt right just yet. Although if we're thinking realistically here, the nonexistence of such at the present time (at any scale, no matter how small) is statistically extraordinarily improbable, so not only did you construct somewhat of a strawman, but the strawman beat you down.

Blogger VD May 15, 2017 8:20 AM  

This confirms my suspicions: the official statistics indicate that non-Jewish whites at Harvard are America’s most under-represented population group, enrolled at a much lower fraction of their national population than blacks or Hispanics, despite having far higher academic test scores.

That means only the very top-tier whites and Asians are accepted, while second- and third-rate Jews are accepted, along with fourth- and fifth-rate blacks and Hispanics.

Anonymous Mike Rock May 15, 2017 8:23 AM  

Funny!!!

Here are the characters for báizuǒ : 白左

bai rhymes with eye
zuo is pronounced more or less like swore with a t in front, i.e. tswore
Equal stress on both syllables (as in one two)
The singular and the plural are the same, e.g he's a baizuo, they are baizuo

SJW's are 'eye sores'....... :))))

Blogger Horn of the Mark May 15, 2017 8:25 AM  

If you'd told me a few years ago that I'd be looking at China and Russia with no small degree of admiration while hoping for the U.S. to be taken down a peg on the world stage, I'd have called you crazy. Yet, here we are.

Blogger Thomas Henderson May 15, 2017 8:26 AM  

Just saw the pronunciation note from #37, TheHiss. Thank you. I had missed that.

So baizou is said like "bye-tswore". That is fittingly fun all by itself, indicating leaving in one syllable, "bye", and past-tense expletives in the next, as in "swore words".

Anonymous BBGKB May 15, 2017 8:26 AM  

And Asians have SAT scores 140 points HIGHER than whites/Jews.

For decades the SAT has been removing questions that blacks do worse on, that's the main reason 1/50 Asian boys get a perfect math SAT now.

High trust: Commonweal http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2015/09/why-re-colonization-commonweal.html

Low trust: people try to renegotiate deals or put hairs in their food for free stuff.

How exactly are they moving up? Not "ethnocentrism" but more specific

Vox said I am not supposed to post that any more. I will mention it on gab

Anonymous TheHiss May 15, 2017 8:26 AM  

@43. It's baizuo, not baizou.

Blogger Thomas Henderson May 15, 2017 8:28 AM  

SJW's are 'eye sores'....... :))))

That too!

Blogger Shane Sullivan May 15, 2017 8:29 AM  

@35 Aren't they in the process of doing that with Africa?

Blogger VD May 15, 2017 8:30 AM  

Aren't they in the process of doing that with Africa?

If the Africans are lucky. We'll see.

Blogger Thomas Henderson May 15, 2017 8:31 AM  

@43. It's baizuo, not baizou.

Thank you. I stand corrected. My spellcheck doesn't work on Chinese and my brain saw it another way.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft May 15, 2017 8:36 AM  

Or as Vox said, more or less, imprerialistic societies have, historically, inevitably achieved that legendary "Oh Shi**" point at which their reach exceeded their grasp. There are a number of reasons why this happens, but they all boil down to a combination of the imperialists becoming soft, decadent and vainglorious, and their vassals being hardened, purified and disillusioned by the same process.

The proceeding is effectively inevitable.

Blogger Samuel Nock May 15, 2017 8:38 AM  

Ron Unz's incredibly important article The Myth of American Meritocracy also wins the award for the wordiest and most roundabout I'm-Not-Saying-Its-the-Jews-But-It's-the-Jews essay in history.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd May 15, 2017 8:39 AM  

VD wrote:... only the very top-tier whites and Asians are accepted, while second- and third-rate Jews are accepted, along with fourth- and fifth-rate blacks and Hispanics.

Those are in each case the best and brightest of their race.

Anonymous Bz May 15, 2017 8:41 AM  

There is excellent potential in classifying SJWs and suchlike as 'the white left'. I predict deep discomfort.

Blogger ZhukovG May 15, 2017 8:42 AM  

Charles De Gaulle said, "Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first."

Patriotism in this quote could also be called 'Omni-Nationalism' about which we have already had an excellent thread. The Alt-West faction of the Alt-Right are 'Omni-Nationalist'.

Then there would be varying degrees, leading to the Nationalist extreme of this quote.

While I can't think of any major people today that has this extreme attitude, there are a number who at least exhibit disdain for nations other than their own. The Chinese and, for that matter, every other Asian nation seems to fall into this category.

While many 'high trust' nations have held other nations in varying degrees of contempt, I do wonder if it is a trait that will be nearly universal among 'low trust' nations?

If so, a nation or group that exhibits a disdain to rabid hate for others may be your ally now, but you should always cut the cards.

Anonymous Simplytimothy May 15, 2017 8:43 AM  

#WhiteLeft will be an interesting rhetorical wedge to deploy.

Blogger Jeff Wood May 15, 2017 8:49 AM  

Hiss: Thank you for that. I thought I would have to get to the end of the thread to ask the question you took the trouble to answer.

Anonymous Icicle May 15, 2017 8:50 AM  

Talking about Japan in High Trust situations is incorrect.

Is that why they leave their bicycles unlocked on major streets in Tokyo? Unless that's what you meant by "ultra High Societal-level Trust." In which case, your definition is functionally retarded.

However, it's extremely low Inter-personal Trust.

No. That would be Thailand.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0095555


Low trust: people try to renegotiate deals or put hairs in their food for free stuff.

This is another reason that definition was retarded. I don't need a bunch of fancy social science to know high trust. It is like obscenity, "I know it when I see it."

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd May 15, 2017 8:54 AM  

VD wrote:It is always very tempting to have others work your fields for you while you eat like an effendi.

It hasn't worked well to have others work their fields for you, either.

Shane Sullivan wrote:@35 Aren't they in the process of doing that with Africa?

Are the Chinese fixing to colonize, or fixing to set up a serioes of Rajs? It's ``Africans pick my cotton for me'' versus ``Africans pick their cotton for me.''

I doubt they intend to displace Africans and pick their own cotton in Africa. It would be interesting if they did. If the PRC were to send their troublemakers to Africa, they could develop an Australia-style colony, while sending floods of refugees north to Europe and south toward the Cape. If they sent mostly young male troublemakers, they might end up improving the African gene pool slightly along the way.

Blogger Elizabeth May 15, 2017 9:00 AM  

Icicle wrote:High trust: think small town

Also Japan.

In other words, it's used to reinforce a covert class consciousness that aligns well with Confucian social order.

Christianity is spreading this time.


Many low trust countries are Christian, such as Mexico.

The Chinese will be the Chinese,no matter what religion, if any, they follow.

Blogger Cassandros the Elder May 15, 2017 9:00 AM  

白左 - good to know. If I may sperg a little, the mandarin pronunciation is a little problematic for English speakers. The first syllable "bai" is pretty much pronounced like "buy" with a second tone (rising inflexion). The second syllable, however, is more difficult. As mentioned earlier, it sort of rhymes with "swore", except beginning with dz (not tz). The "r" portion is most common in the more Northern dialects. More to the South and in Taiwan, the Yale romanization is better phonetically than most, and it renders "left" as "dzwo" with a third tone (a low inflexion) and without the "r".

If you submit "white left" to google translate, you get a very literal four character (each one syllable) translation meaning "white color left region". The first and third characters are the ones we're interested in. If you play the audio, the first and third syllables are what you want.

Anonymous Icicle May 15, 2017 9:03 AM  

Many low trust countries are Christian, such as Mexico.

The Chinese will be the Chinese,no matter what religion, if any, they follow.


That's not a good argument. Compare pre-Christian Mexico to post-Christian Mexico. It still sucks, but much less than before.

Blogger VD May 15, 2017 9:07 AM  

Compare pre-Christian Mexico to post-Christian Mexico

Or pre-Christian Europe to Christian Europe. A Christian China would be a historically formidable nation. Just look at increasingly Christian South Korea.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 15, 2017 9:07 AM  

"It might not be an easy task to define the term"

When media claim it's hard to define a term, you know it's both easy to define and super-effective.

Blogger Gospace May 15, 2017 9:11 AM  

Just as a point, I've read in numerous other places that Asian high SAT scores should be taken with a grain of salt. Apparently, even though the rules prohibit it, in Asian dominated areas the test takers bunch together to share answers, and the proctors don't stop them. Individuality, sticking out from the group, is looked down on. Cooperation, even if it's cheating, is prized if it helps the group.

Anonymous Rfvujm May 15, 2017 9:14 AM  

It's the difference between a story that begins, "Once upon a time..." and a story that begins, "One day there will be..."

Blogger Student in Blue May 15, 2017 9:15 AM  

That's not a good argument. Compare pre-Christian Mexico to post-Christian Mexico. It still sucks, but much less than before.

That specific argument is true however. It may or may not be relevant, but it's true. You are also correct in your statement.

Christian Mexico is still Mexico, and different than Christian Germany. Christian Mexico is also a lot better than Pre-Christian Mexico, same with Germany.

Blogger Shane Sullivan May 15, 2017 9:26 AM  

@67 According to the pagan Alt-Right, the former was far greater then the latter; in their minds Christianity deliberately weakened the European peoples, and if pointed to the great things Europeans accomplished as believing Christians, they say it was in spite of said belief.

Anonymous Icicle May 15, 2017 9:28 AM  

That specific argument is true however.

No. Otherwise we would still have Scythians and Ostrogoths running around.

Anonymous Looking Glass May 15, 2017 9:36 AM  

@71 Student in Blue

Christian Mexico, aside from being barely that, is also genetically distinct from pre-Christian Mexico. Mostly in the fact that the old ruling class is now the under-class, and the ruling class is mixed-blood Europeans.

A fully Christian China, or South Korea for that matter, will be an extremely powerful force, but the transition from here to there is going to be messy. We'll see how it goes in South Korea first, to give us an idea how it's going to play out in China. China is a big place with a lot of historic regional aspects that'll be brought to bare. South Korea doesn't have that issue. (It's also more likely that South Korea's Christian population simply replaces the old one because they have children.) My current assumption is the South Korean civil war would be fairly short; China would likely break apart into the separate countries it really is.

Blogger Harris May 15, 2017 9:46 AM  

I often wonder if the remnants of Communism in both Russia and China have more to do with the cultural affinity for strong leadership, and the corresponding expectation of popular submission than they do to actual European style Marxist philosophy.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 15, 2017 9:50 AM  

And this is another big, big reason Islam sucks: compare pre-Islamic Egypt, Persia, and Babylonia to Islamic Egypt, Iran, and Iraq.

According to the pagan Alt-Right, the former was far greater then the latter; in their minds Christianity deliberately weakened the European peoples, and if pointed to the great things Europeans accomplished as believing Christians, they say it was in spite of said belief.

@72 Shane Sullivan
Most of these pagan Alt-Rightists are pig-ignorant about history if not full Alt-Retard. They also never bother to explain why Europe started declining and suffering a civilizational loss of confidence after ''rejecting'' Christianity.

Another thing is, as I have pointed out repeatedly, the conflation of identity with belief. People insist that if enough people who identify as "Christians" believe something stupid that the Crusaders would have laughed at, that means this is what "Christianity" teaches.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 15, 2017 9:53 AM  

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Blogger VFM #7634 May 15, 2017 9:54 AM  

"rejecting" in the previous post should be rejecting, in italics.

Blogger Sam May 15, 2017 9:58 AM  

@56
I suspect the dissembling is because Unz is Jewish. It is rather... awkward to figure out.

@64
Sort of. Religion comes with a whole suite of practices like banning cousin marriage and polygamy which leads to higher levels of social trust.

@72
While I don't know enough to comment on its accuracy, I think 'stopping the Muslims from conquering Europe' is something that is entirely due to the efforts of Christianity.

Blogger pnq8787 May 15, 2017 10:07 AM  

After reading some of the links posted in this thread I must say that it pains me to think that the Chinese/Japanese/Koreans might become prey to the mind virus of liberalism. The white nations have already plunged the Diversity Dagger into their hearts and are only waiting to bleed out; but the beauty of the east asian cultures and races might still be saved.

I think it would be a worthy project if someone of ability could write a Chinese language website devoted to Alt-Right principles and race realism. I don't have that ability myself, but I wish I did. I propose titling the page something like "A Signal from a Sinking Ship". It would be a noble cause!

Blogger Student in Blue May 15, 2017 10:07 AM  

@73. Icicle
No. Otherwise we would still have Scythians and Ostrogoths running around.

Now that's irrelevant.

You realize I was simply pointing out that Christianity doesn't REMOVE racial differences, right?

@74. Looking Glass
Christian Mexico, aside from being barely that, is also genetically distinct from pre-Christian Mexico.

True. And while it's not the main cause of the genetic shift in Mexico, the concept of genetic shift via change in mating preferences due to religion change is something to consider as well.

A better comparison would've been Christian France with Christian Germany - both Christian, but they're still French and German and not some amorphous generic identity.

That said, I wasn't aware that South Korea's Christian population was on the rise. I thought the pop culture coming out from America and getting sucked up almost wholesale by South Korea was hindering it.

Anonymous Eric the Red May 15, 2017 10:10 AM  

The pc left would like you to believe that 'Middle Kingdom' refers to geography. What a laugh. The etymology of ‘Middle’ does not come from geography. It refers to the the Chinese belief that they are the intercessors between Heaven ‘above’ and the barbarians (i.e., the rest of the world outside China) ‘below’. The Chinese themselves have always been and will always be fiercely ethnocentric.

Anonymous fop May 15, 2017 10:17 AM  

if it can keep China's historical imperialist tendencies in check

It will be different this time.

Anonymous Athor Pel May 15, 2017 10:17 AM  

"45. Blogger VD May 15, 2017 8:20 AM
...
That means only the very top-tier whites and Asians are accepted, while second- and third-rate Jews are accepted, along with fourth- and fifth-rate blacks and Hispanics.
"



This is something that gives me hope. Letting the second rate and lower enter those schools is a sure way to expose otherwise sheltered first rate minds to some genetic objective reality. You can preach the progressive narrative at them daily but when they also see with their own eyes what the affirmative action entrants are actually capable of the cognitive dissonance mind worm takes root.

To step beyond the progressive narrative all they have to do is realize the affirmative action students are the best their respective nations/tribes were able to produce.

One of the great things about the red pill is that it becomes an inoculation against lies as well as being a truer view of reality.

Blogger VD May 15, 2017 10:21 AM  

According to the pagan Alt-Right

There is a reason we are occasionally forced to use the term "Alt-Retard". We won't attack them, but we don't take their creative historiography seriously either.

Anonymous Icicle May 15, 2017 10:22 AM  

Now that's irrelevant.

You realize I was simply pointing out that Christianity doesn't REMOVE racial differences, right?


the concept of genetic shift via change in mating preferences due to religion change

You just contradicted yourself.

Anonymous Looking Glass May 15, 2017 10:32 AM  

@81 Student in Blue

https://infogalactic.com/info/Religion_in_South_Korea

"Good" social stats are a lot harder to come by outside of the West, but you're looking at between 20-30% of the South Korean population. And that should skew more to those at the younger age range.

But that doesn't mean by age 25 that 99% of all South Korean Women won't have had cosmetic surgery. The Koreans are a tad obsessive about looks. To the point you can figure out which surgeons someone went to by adjusted facial features.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 15, 2017 10:37 AM  

Being an astute and self-conscious people, the Chinese are perfectly aware of why the West is in decline and the various parties who are responsible for that decline. It should be no surprise that they have absolutely no intention of following the West's failed path of equalitarianism and multiculturalism, for all that the Chinese leadership presently gives lip service to globalism and free trade.

That's going to be a great disappointment to the Elders of Wye.

Blogger William Meisheid May 15, 2017 10:38 AM  

@64 Elizabeth "Many low trust countries are Christian, such as Mexico."

I would argue they are Catholic Christianity. Chinese Christianity is more protestant in nature. If you want, there is something to be explored there.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 15, 2017 10:39 AM  

Being an astute and self-conscious people, the Chinese are perfectly aware of why the West is in decline and the various parties who are responsible for that decline. It should be no surprise that they have absolutely no intention of following the West's failed path of equalitarianism and multiculturalism, for all that the Chinese leadership presently gives lip service to globalism and free trade.

That's going to be a great disappointment to the Elders of Wye.

Blogger William Meisheid May 15, 2017 10:45 AM  

I believe the difference between the way Catholic Christianity and Protestant Christianity affect the culture of a nation is very important, especially in cultures that were not Christian for most of their history.

Korea is primarily Protestant in its conversion and I believe that is instrumental to the engine of their success.

Blogger Student in Blue May 15, 2017 10:52 AM  

@86. Icicle
You just contradicted yourself.

No, you aren't aware of what "racial differences" refers to.

As I wrote just a little bit after that, "A better comparison would've been Christian France with Christian Germany - both Christian, but they're still French and German and not some amorphous generic identity."

Many years of Christianity have not made the French and Germans interchangeable. I'm guessing they've changed a fair bit genetically from being Franks and Saxons, but the French are still different from Germans.

@87. Looking Glass

Very interesting, thank you.

Blogger pyrrhus May 15, 2017 10:56 AM  

The totally admirable Chinese policy on immigration? Absolutely none, except for ethnic Chinese who have not shown disloyalty...SJWs clearly not prospering there...

Anonymous Greg May 15, 2017 11:04 AM  

China will end up developing the same disease as the West because China re-invented itself in the image of the West.

China is now nationalistic and capitalist in a fashion similar to the 1950s West (also materialistic and scientific) - but these things inevitably and nececssarily end up in parasitic late-stage capitalism and post-nationalist self-hate like it did in the west.

Why?

Any society based on materialism, technology, capitalism, and narrow nationalism eventually dies of the disease of the West - as life becomes unbearably unsatisfying self-hate and self-disgust sets in, and the inevitable self-destruction and desperate turn to "primitive" people's in order to re-inject your own society with vitality.

There is no hope for any society that contracts the Western disease and models itself on the West.

Anonymous Icicle May 15, 2017 11:28 AM  

No, you aren't aware of what "racial differences" refers to.

I don't think anyone reading your convoluted posts is aware, either.

Many years of Christianity have not made the French and Germans interchangeable.

That's because they did not cross-breed as much. Germans are no longer primitive pagan tribes though. Thanks, Christianity.

I'm guessing they've changed a fair bit genetically from being (pagan) Franks and (pagan) Saxons,

You've guessed correctly.

As I wrote just a little bit after that, "A better comparison would've been Christian France with Christian Germany - both Christian, but they're still French and German and not some amorphous generic identity." ...but the French are still different from Germans.

They didn't use to be.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Francia

Uh oh...

Blogger Feather Blade May 15, 2017 12:15 PM  

Icicle wrote:Talking about Japan in High Trust situations is incorrect.

Is that why they leave their bicycles unlocked on major streets in Tokyo? .


Yeah, no. You don't leave your bike unlocked anywhere, but especially at train stations, and you don't trust the built-in ring-lock as your only means of locking you bike. I had two bikes stolen that way, and only managed to recover the second by locking it with a chain lock after I found it with somebody else's lock on it.

The garage attendants were very nice about cutting the other person's lock, when I showed up with the paperwork proving the bike was mine, but going to the police to report the theft was worse than useless.

Blogger Doom May 15, 2017 12:27 PM  

fop wrote:if it can keep China's historical imperialist tendencies in check

It will be different this time.


Hahahahahaha!

Anonymous Icicle May 15, 2017 12:31 PM  

You don't leave your bike unlocked anywhere,

Had people do it lots of times. Also sharing communal umbrellas. Maybe you should just leave Japan? They obviously don't like you.

Blogger Doom May 15, 2017 12:32 PM  

William Meisheid wrote:@64 Elizabeth "Many low trust countries are Christian, such as Mexico."

I would argue they are Catholic Christianity. Chinese Christianity is more protestant in nature. If you want, there is something to be explored there.


I wouldn't call Mexico, or most S.A. nations, Catholic. They are the sort of 'religion' Obama was involved with. More to do with whitey hate than anything to do with praising God. Yeah, not Catholic. Catholicism, if it even existed then, was destroyed in Mexico at some point in the earlier part of the last century.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 15, 2017 1:00 PM  

I believe the difference between the way Catholic Christianity and Protestant Christianity affect the culture of a nation is very important, especially in cultures that were not Christian for most of their history.

@90 William Meisheid
I still insist that blood is more important than religion, at least within Christianity. (By contrast, I'm almost certain Islam dumbs down a people.)

I'll make a prediction: the Protestants in Northern Triangle countries such as Guatemala aren't going to be elbowing Costa Rica out of being the Switzerland of Central America any time soon.

Blogger Karl May 15, 2017 1:42 PM  

Since no one else seems to have mentioned it, bai is not just the color white. In Mandarin, it also translates as "vain" or "useless(ly)".
This is in the sense of failing to make a mark on a blank surface.

Blogger Student in Blue May 15, 2017 2:36 PM  

@94. Icicle
I don't think anyone reading your convoluted posts is aware, either.

I'll throw you a bone even though you've been an arrogant twat about it. What's the definition of "difference"? And what happens when you remove all of the differences between two things?

That's because they did not cross-breed as much. Germans are no longer primitive pagan tribes though. Thanks, Christianity.

No duh. You're stating things I already agreed with you about, as if that invalidates what I said.

Hence the "You are also correct in your statement." in response to your "Compare pre-Christian Mexico to post-Christian Mexico. It still sucks, but much less than before."

https://infogalactic.com/info/Francia
Uh oh...


You realize you're proving my original point, right? That Christianity didn't REMOVE their racial differences?

Blogger Glenn Donovan May 15, 2017 2:42 PM  

@VD - Moving the goalposts now? You didn't discuss imperialism in this blog piece. You claimed some sort of parallel with U.S. politics, and I don't think there is one.

It's much better explained by Sino-Supremacy. As for your aspersions about imperialism and empire, perhaps a dip into Great Power Politics and Grand Strategy is in order - wait, I know, you already know everything there is to know...

There is an emergent aspect to what happens to large powers in our global nationstate order. Large, powerful nations cannot afford to sit alone.

There is also the small fact that the U.S. is not an imperial power in any meaningful sense of the word. If we are, we are the worst in history as we don't benefit from most of our interventions.

Last. The Chinese are making fun of white western left wing idiots, not their own people from what I can tell from your citations and commentary. Not sure how that is any kind of parallel to what's going on here.

Blogger frigger611 May 15, 2017 3:07 PM  

Reminds of an old acquaintance of mine, a black guy who fought in Vietnam. He said when he had a leave in Tokyo he talked to a local and said "hey man, back home in America they call people like me 'nigger!' What you people call us?"

The Japanese man replied "Tame ting."

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 15, 2017 3:15 PM  

"I would bet that after Blacks, Jews are on average the least-qualified, least-intelligent students in the Ivy League now."

This is from back in 2012, so you've probably seen it before, but Ron Unz makes a very good case for exactly that point:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

Anonymous Britboing May 15, 2017 3:19 PM  

@93
'Why?

Any society based on materialism, technology, capitalism, and narrow nationalism eventually dies of the disease of the West - as life becomes unbearably unsatisfying self-hate and self-disgust sets in . . . '

I've never understood this - 'materialism, technology,' etc doesn't make me feel 'unbearably unsatisfying self-hate' or 'self-digust'.

Especially tech - bring it on, let's see what else we can do - advance from what was.
It's great!

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 15, 2017 3:24 PM  

@Samel Nock

"it's even more shocking to contemplate that their test scores probably make the situation even more outrageous."

Ya beat me to it. An excellent piece by (((Unz))). Not only that, this overrepresentation makes the "white" statistics very misleading, by combining a group way over-represented with one that is way underrepresented according to ability, effectively disguising the nature of the underlying process.

Anonymous windy nugget May 15, 2017 3:27 PM  

There's an imprecision of language issue plaguing commenters discussing the work of Cantor here. OGRE is right in that a function can't ever equal the value "infinity." This "infinity" is defined as he said, in that it's a limit that can never be reached. The aleph numbers refer to the sizes of sets and are not the quasi-value "infinity," which is the sticking point. Too many concepts mapped on the same word, gents.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 15, 2017 3:39 PM  

@Samuel Nock

"Ron Unz's incredibly important article The Myth of American Meritocracy also wins the award for the wordiest and most roundabout I'm-Not-Saying-Its-the-Jews-But-It's-the-Jews essay in history"

Yeah, that's some moldbug-tier logorrhea. The facts are all in there if you wade through it, though. I did see some secondary MSM coverage that focused only on the Asian findings. I guess they felt confident that not enough people would bother to read the original source, given its length, to matter.

Unz was not accused of "anti-semitism," of course.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 15, 2017 3:59 PM  

@Doom

"I wouldn't call Mexico, or most S.A. nations, Catholic."
Yeah.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Santa_muerte

"Catholicism, if it even existed then, was destroyed in Mexico at some point in the earlier part of the last century."

The commies took over in the 19teens. Then this happened:

https://infogalactic.com/info/Cristero_War

Blogger VD May 15, 2017 4:03 PM  

Moving the goalposts now?

No. This is not the first time I have written on the subject. One blog post is not the full extent of my thinking or my posts on the subject.

Don't make that mistake again. It's both silly and annoying. You made a false assumption. You've been corrected.

wait, I know, you already know everything there is to know...

Just leave. I do not want Gamma commenters here.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 15, 2017 4:16 PM  

@Glenn Donovan

"There is also the small fact that the U.S. is not an imperial power in any meaningful sense of the word. If we are, we are the worst in history as we don't benefit from most of our interventions."

Or perhaps your concept of "we" is inexact in this case. Who says that those in charge have a concept of "we" that is synonymous with "the American people?" I haven't made any intervention decisions lately. Have you?

Just take a look at any map of US military bases sound the world. That's an empire. Cui bono is a separate question.

Anonymous Brief Inquiry May 15, 2017 4:26 PM  

I see many comments on Christianity in later European history, but what of Rome?

I will confess that I am no expert in the subject matter, but many volumes have been written attributing, in part, the decline of Rome to its conversion to Christianity and I have generally found these arguments persuasive given the support presented.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable May 15, 2017 6:32 PM  

Glenn Donovan wrote:There is also the small fact that the U.S. is not an imperial power in any meaningful sense of the word. If we are, we are the worst in history as we don't benefit from most of our interventions.

I want to end the American Empire and return us to a federal republic precisely because our solipsistic "elites" are running the empire for their own narrow benefit, at our expense.

Anonymous Icicle May 15, 2017 7:55 PM  

I'll throw you a bone even though you've been an arrogant twat about it

And here I don't care about you at all.

#StudentTriggered

No duh. You're stating things I already agreed with you about, as if that invalidates what I said.

No. I'm just stating them for fun.

You realize you're proving my original point, right? That Christianity didn't REMOVE their racial differences?

Even those they were both divided into Christian kingdoms.

You're going in circles now. You've lost, give it up.

You might as well start arguing people f*cking each other does not remove genetic differences since it is actually the sperm fertilizing the egg that does it. "OH NO, that was not the mudsharking, that was the black sperm! Get it right!"

That's what you've been reduced to arguing.

Sad!

Blogger Scott Birch May 15, 2017 8:00 PM  

IQ tends to be inherited from the mother though.

Anonymous Jack May 15, 2017 10:06 PM  

Regarding Mexico and Catholicism, this has to be seen in light of two things: first, the opposition to the Church by Masons and revolutionaries for hundreds of years, which has produced events like the Cristero rebellion; and second, Vatican II, which has been a disaster for Catholicism everywhere. According to Francis Kelley in his Catholic history of Mexico, Blood-Drenched Altars, Mexico was actually a fairly advanced Catholic civilization for its time, when it was under Spanish rule.

But now Mexicans reject their Spanish heritage and consider themselves the descendants of the Aztecs. That was deliberately promoted by anti-Christian forces. Although the country is still nominally Catholic, Mexican Catholicism contains a lot of pre-Christian elements, which more and more people are interested in now since the advent of the "new age" in the 60s. Then again, Roman Catholicism contains a lot of pre-Christian Roman elements. Maybe the Orthodox are right and everyone should have their national church. It seems to just be in the order of things, the same way Tibetan Buddhism is distinctly Tibetan.

Blogger kurt9 May 15, 2017 10:16 PM  

It’s way past the time when we high-IQ, low-fertility, long-civilized Arctic peoples—the whites and the yellows—can afford to bicker among ourselves, about election hacking or anything else. We should be putting our smart, pale heads together to plan a geostrategy to preserve our nations, our civilization, from the swelling numbers down there in the tropics who seek to displace us by demographically overwhelming us.

A quote from John Derbyshire.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 16, 2017 1:07 AM  

@115
IQ tends to be inherited from the mother though.

Says who?

Anonymous Moonbear May 16, 2017 1:34 AM  

@115 Scott Birch
That most assuredly is not the case.
I know of the "study" that came to this conclusion, it is liberal scientistry, no doubt created to serve the miscegenation agenda, programming white women to think their offspring will inherit white IQ when mating outside their racial genealogy.
Genius seems to be a overwhelmingly paternal trait, which makes sense since men have a higher average IQ than women, male DNA is also less susceptible to mutation.
All of this makes sense when you consider that relatively few men, but almost all women have children.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 16, 2017 2:32 AM  

I don't suppose that it's occurred to all you philosophers that following Catholicism is more likely the result of national character than the cause.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 16, 2017 2:34 AM  

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Blogger wreckage May 16, 2017 9:27 AM  

@119, no, genius in men is because our DNA is slightly more unstable. That's why we're more likely to be either + OR - 1 or more SD (IIRC), whereas female IQ is more tightly clustered.

Blogger JP May 16, 2017 10:41 AM  

@122, No, it's both. Men are clustered less, AND we've got a higher average IQ.

Blogger Student in Blue May 16, 2017 12:10 PM  

@Icicle
And here I don't care about you at all.
No. I'm just stating them for fun.

Ah, Gamma posturing. Can't ever admit you're wrong about something so you just snark and emote instead. You get 'em, you Secret King you. You're got everyone convinced you're truly the moral superior here.

Even those they were both divided into Christian kingdoms.

A) You struggle to make comprehensible sentences, yet accuse me of being convoluted. Amusing.
B) You're also so mentally deficient that you can't quite grasp how ONE Christian kingdom splitting up into MORE than one Christian kingdom, genetically different from each other, automatically rules out Christianity somehow removing racial differences.

Because if it did, then no Christian country would be racially different than the other, especially ones that came from a common ancestor. How is this hard to understand?

Anonymous Mr. Rational May 16, 2017 12:36 PM  

@123  Here's the thing about sex differences in intelligence:

Females have two X chromosomes.  Any intelligence-related genes on the X chromosome are present in two copies.  Now, only one X chromosome per cell actually gets used.  One or the other is substantially (though not completely) inactivated and becomes a Barr body.  This means that female brains express a mixture of the traits conferred by their two X chromosomes.

Male brains only have one X chromosome so the phenotype is the direct expression of its genotype.  This means the curve will be broader, as extreme traits on one X chromosome are not balanced by the other.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd May 16, 2017 7:41 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:I don't suppose that it's occurred to all you philosophers that following Catholicism is more likely the result of national character than the cause.

Contrast Poland with Mexico. Both Roman, and about as different as two nations can be. If there is any down side to the Roman church, the Poles have weathered it far better than the Mexicans.

Contrast France to both. Contrast the Protestant German principalities with the Roman ones.

I'd say that national character has far more to do with the fate of the nation than the branch of Christianity the nation settles on. Still, I think that the Roman church is going to push a nation in different directions than a Baptist church would. Not sure how Roman would compare with Orthodox.

Anonymous Icicle May 17, 2017 3:04 AM  

Ah, Gamma posturing. Can't ever admit you're wrong about something so you just snark and emote instead. You get 'em, you Secret King you. You're got everyone convinced you're truly the moral superior here.

That's a lot of projecting packed into four sentences. Packing that fudge in nice and deep.

B) You're also so mentally deficient that you can't quite grasp how ONE Christian kingdom splitting up into MORE than one Christian kingdom, genetically different from each other, automatically rules out Christianity somehow removing racial differences.

Because if it did, then no Christian country would be racially different than the other, especially ones that came from a common ancestor. How is this hard to understand?


We'll use wooden blocks as an analogy, for when you hang out at the daycare center trying to stack them neatly in rows (and failing).

If I take SANDPAPER and rub it against WOOD, I don't need to remove every single BUMP on the WOOD to know the SANDPAPER is having an effect and removing BUMPS.

In the same way, that means some of the wooden blocks might end up being DIFFERENT even when using the SAME sandpaper.

Just in case, let me say explicitly: sandpaper = Christianity, wooden block = people.

That's how Christianity removes racial differences.

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