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Wednesday, May 17, 2017

Curiouser and curiouser

So now /pol has learned that Seth Rich was alive when the police found him and three of them were wearing body cams.
#SethRich was alive/awake when cops found him, died at hospital. Cops wore body cameras. What did he say to cops/what did body cams capture?

Meanwhile, an increasingly desperate Fake News media is trying to transform a perfectly legal disclosure of information on the President's part into something worthy of impeachment.
President Donald Trump didn't appear to break any law by sharing highly classified information with Russia, but that doesn't make it any less problematic for America's intelligence agencies and their overseas partners.

Even as Trump's national security adviser insisted the Oval Office disclosure to visiting Russian diplomats was "wholly appropriate" and routine, few people outside of the White House saw it that way. Especially troubling was that a foreign country provided the intelligence confidentially to the U.S....

The system for how U.S. secrets are classified and the rules for how they're handled derive from an executive order. That means secrets are governed by the president and not by laws passed by Congress. The president's authority to make the classification rules comes from his constitutional powers as the commander in chief and head of the executive branch.

Typically, that has been interpreted to mean that the president has the ultimate authority to classify and to declassify information. Put another way, classified information becomes unclassified by default the moment the president chooses to disclose it.
Translation: the God-Emperor literally cannot break the law in this regard, because his actions DEFINE the relevant law.

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Blogger Resident Moron™ May 17, 2017 6:03 AM  

I suspect they're wrong, it doesn't become declassified once exposed.

The US government has prosecuted people for possessing and disclosing classified information that had already been made public by other parties. Their view us that someone else breaking the law is not an excuse for you to do the same.

Anonymous Federal Plant #7 May 17, 2017 6:04 AM  

Talk about conspiracy theories. People still read this blog? Ugh.

Blogger Dane Prywatne May 17, 2017 6:06 AM  

With XIX century richness to US came rich people who do not think of themselves as citizens but rather as 'the better people' who has more rights and right to use their money to influence government.

Too bad - and I agree that first sign was civil war 1861-1865 when rich people from north wanted to subdue south ..

Blogger JACIII May 17, 2017 6:06 AM  

As you say; When they freak out it means you are over the target. Trump firing Comey has them spooked. Off the charts spooked.

Then the Seth Rich revelations. Their bipolar paranoid pschizzo gender meds are having to work overtime.

"He's coming for us! He's coming for us!", say the voices in their heads.

Blogger ZhukovG May 17, 2017 6:12 AM  

Sounds like things are coming to a head. I wonder just how badly some folks are willing to smash the game board to save themselves from the GE's wrath?

Anonymous Pug May 17, 2017 6:22 AM  

Here in Croatia the headlines were as if Trump stumbled upon a briefcase full of top secret information and it all spilled accidentally on the floor just as Lavrov and other Russians were passing and they just grabbed everything they could.

It's sad how every single major (and minor) media just repeats whatever they read on CNN and other fake news sites.

And then after the headlines, you have the obligatory "did you see what Trump did this time?!" conversations over lunch and water cooler. It's pathetic.

Anonymous burgmeister May 17, 2017 6:25 AM  

They want to get rid of Trump one way or the other.

He better act fast now - or he might be gone, one way or the other.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer May 17, 2017 6:30 AM  

Meanwhile in fly over country.... We hear all the BS coming out of both parties in the beltway and get more and more angry. The fools think taking out Trump would be a win for them. Little do they realize that, if they are successful, the next person we send will not be so accommodating and merciful.

Blogger phunktor May 17, 2017 6:31 AM  

Once upon a time in Hawthorn CA somebody posted on a Grumman (physical) bulletin board a Business Week cover featuring the then-black B-2 bomber. Security came along, took it down, and put it in the TS safe where it belonged. True story.

Blogger James Dixon May 17, 2017 6:33 AM  

> the God-Emperor literally cannot break the law in this regard, because his actions DEFINE the relevant law.

Exactly. The President can declassify any information he wishes for any reason he wishes. He has complete and total authority in the matter.

Of course, that's true of immigration too, and look how well that's worked out. It's a good thing impeachment isn't in the hands of the ninth district.

> He better act fast now - or he might be gone, one way or the other.

Really? How exactly. Short of an assassination, there's not much they can do.

Anonymous Looking Glass May 17, 2017 6:35 AM  

@6 Pug

That's why they do it. I have to explain to my non-American contacts what the #FakeNews is up to. Actually, at this point, they ask me to explain what's going on, simply because they know it's #FakeNews.

In the "Inventive Problem Solving" department, I wonder if there's a way to trick the main #FakeNews players into running Mohammad cartoons. Considering what happened previously, there's a real potential for the "Bill Clinton is a Rapist! INFOWARS.COM!" approach here.

We're 4 months into the Administration and the Globalist faction has made it clear how they're going to operate. Let them pay by their own rules.

Blogger Lazarus May 17, 2017 6:35 AM  

burgmeister wrote:They want to get rid of Trump one way or the other.

He better act fast now - or he might be gone, one way or the other.


I got an idea. He should bring Podesta on board. The guy seems to have a knack of getting things done, unlike the sorry lot of former #nevertrump -ers
he has on the payroll now.

Blogger ZhukovG May 17, 2017 6:38 AM  

I think the only thing that can truly clean up Washington DC involves field artillery.

And yes, James Dixon, they may be desperate enough to see if Americans will fall for the old 'Lone Kook' routine. It hasn't failed them yet.

Anonymous Icicle May 17, 2017 6:41 AM  

Remember back when saying that all the mainstream news media were controlled by a globalist cabal means you were a kook?

It's been an interesting five years.

Anonymous Looking Glass May 17, 2017 6:43 AM  

@10 James Dixon

Assassination would also backfire. Not only do we know exactly who to blame; it's not going to be mass mourning like with JFK. There is only 1 group that benefits from Trump being gone and most aren't going to care if some "innocent" swamp members get caught up in the reckoning.

Anonymous burgmeister May 17, 2017 6:46 AM  

Really? How exactly. Short of an assassination, there's not much they can do.

At what direction does it currently point? What process does exist to get rid of a president? Their strategy seems clear to me. SJWAL is relevant here.

I'm willing to bet that within the next 12 months a) either Hillary Clinton is in trial or b) Trump is gone (one way or the other)

Anonymous Looking Glass May 17, 2017 6:47 AM  

@14 Icicle

In 1995, Trump was a Liberal, New York Democrat. He just happened to still attend church. By 2015, Trump is now an Arch-Conservative that wants to send us back to the stone-age!

Trump hasn't seemed to have changed much of any opinion in two decades, at least of the ones he's publicly commented on. Life has come at all of us extremely quickly.

Blogger synp May 17, 2017 6:47 AM  

No, it doesn't become declassified if Donald Trump said it, even if he had said it in public, let alone if he said it in a private meeting with someone, Russian or otherwise. It's possibly legal for the news to say "Mr Trump told so-and-so that this-and-that" and that might get around rules about classified information, although knowing and dissipating classified information is usually not a crime in the US - possession of secret documents is.

Regardless, what Trump has done is certainly legal and at worst bad judgement. Congress may weigh in on it in its oversight of the executive capacity, but ultimately it's up to the voters in 2020 to decide.

Blogger Daniel May 17, 2017 6:54 AM  

You do

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 17, 2017 6:54 AM  

The only kind of intel worth really worrying about is HUMINT. And truth be told the Russians beat us eighty ways from sunrise when it comes to HUMINT.

The Russians just have a talent and instinct for it that we don't.

Anything else that got shared was likely recon or assets gathered during an op. Either way no big.

And of course it doesn't matter because there is no reasoning with crazy people and the Left has completely lost it's shit.



Blogger Avalanche May 17, 2017 7:01 AM  

@9 Working at Boeing many years ago (ouch, several DECADES ago!), the contractors and staff with a secret clearance on a proposal(so we worked with specific sections separate from the main proposal) were pulled aside for a briefing.

One of the weirdest strictures I ever ran across was: we were NOT to say aloud or allow to be written in the documents the names of two older programs IN THE SAME PARAGRAPH! (One of the two programs was legitimately mentioned in the current proposal; but some folks knew of/had worked on the other.) Interesting.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 17, 2017 7:02 AM  

We've reached a point where the Right wing in 2017 trusts the Washington Post about as much as the whole of the United States trusted Pravda in 1955.

The Left calls it, "paranoia." We call it, "earning a reputation."

Blogger Old Ez May 17, 2017 7:06 AM  

They've already moved on. Now his impeachable crime was expressing a hope to Comey that he would let the Flynn vendetta go.

Blogger SteelPalm May 17, 2017 7:07 AM  

@20

The Russians just have a talent and instinct for it that we don't.

It's simpler than that.

The way a member of the Russian intelligence explained it to my father, a more totalitarian government will ALWAYS beat a more democratic government when it comes to espionage. No exceptions.

Hell, ever since Congress passed a moronic law about it in the 1980s, US intelligence isn't allowed to hire any foreign agent with a criminal history. Even General Tommy Franks decried this as one of the biggest roadblocks to intel in a speech I attended in the 2000s.

Anonymous DF May 17, 2017 7:15 AM  

@20 "The only kind of intel worth really worrying about is HUMINT." Ignorance. "And truth be told the Russians beat us eighty ways from sunrise when it comes to HUMINT." Ignorance, too.

USG is technically superb at all forms of gathering intelligence, despite the silly USG sucks at HUMINT canard, which is inexplicably popular among the pseudo-informed crowd. USG is pulled in many directions from within in service of special interests with insatiable imperial aspirations, where other intelligences like Israel's and Russia's appear to work more in national concert on operations of more limited scope. USG is also, naturally, more closely scrutinized the world over, with a double negative bias in popular coverage: (1) successes are silent; there is great demand for reporting on USG fuck-ups.

Anonymous Icicle May 17, 2017 7:18 AM  

Have we gotten anywhere with Susan Rice and the Derp State Gate?

Kucinich said he was surveilled.

Now Rand Paul is saying something.

Then many Americans were unmasked.

Scalia was saying something about the Supreme Court being surveilled before he died (makes you think about the Obamacare vote).

Obviously Seth Rich was surveilled before someone took him out.

Who else?

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass May 17, 2017 7:21 AM  

To rebuff the article: the identities protection act forbids disclosure of CIA DO officers and the like. The Espionage Act is what you're charged with if you give a foreign adversary intelligence. Trump did neither here, as this was per the NYT and we know they're always right, given to the US by Israel.

I guarantee you that the SVR probably has access to what Trump said, courtesy of an asset inside Mossad or Shin Bet.

In other words more #fakenews.

I'd like to see what the D.C. body cams caught.

Anonymous Me Myself I May 17, 2017 7:21 AM  

Re: Seth Rich, so the family's viewpoint (that this story is bs) matters not in your fantasy?

As to the Orange Ape, tick tock.

Blogger Buybuydandavis May 17, 2017 7:27 AM  

" but that doesn't make it any less problematic "

"Problematic" - I've got no argument against it, but I no like!

Blogger Salt May 17, 2017 7:28 AM  

Given the media's narrative on Trump, Putin, and Syria, why would Trump even share information on ISIS with the Russians unless things are not what they appear? The media loves to watch the magician's hands. Yeah, that's where the real action is isn't it.

By the time his detractors might be in any position to try getting him the cat will be out of the bag and with any luck the media will be worthless burnt toast.

Blogger praetorian May 17, 2017 7:28 AM  

Shilling density, at this point, is an indication that a post is on to something.

There weren't any shills in the 'another mans face on your tshirt' thread.

Just sayin.

Anonymous Darwin is a Harsh Mistress May 17, 2017 7:34 AM  

Crickey the shills are in force here today. It's like reading a Disqus talkback of automated library responses.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer May 17, 2017 7:37 AM  

As to the Orange Ape, tick tock.

How very racist!

Blogger Ken Prescott May 17, 2017 7:40 AM  

OK, when does the proverbial single-testicled firearms operator appear?

Anonymous Cleveland Screamer May 17, 2017 7:41 AM  

The shill density is definitely increasing, in more ways than one.

Blogger JWM in SD May 17, 2017 7:41 AM  

The President has Original Source classification ability. Let's cut the bullshit. Second, Trump has no choice but to pursue Hitlery now. We're seeing that start to play out now.She will declare candidacy for 2020 early like a prophylactic measure against prosecution.

Blogger Jack Ward May 17, 2017 7:42 AM  

I get notices from an outfit called Defense One [Government executive Media Group; Washington, DC] It's one of those 'unexpected Ware' things you get sometimes when clicking through stuff. Don't usually pay much attention to it. Today was an exception. Its stories sounded like they came from the DNC.
Stop blaming the NSA
Trump disclosures another win for Russia.
Terrible lost of Trump Disclosures.
Etc.
Started to unsubscribe but, then, decided to keep an eye on the enemy.

Blogger Salt May 17, 2017 7:50 AM  

Putin is laughing -

"As the quest to unearth just what Trump told Lavrov continues, an unexpected development emerged moments ago when none other than Russian president Vladimir Putin said that Trump did not pass any secrets to foreign minister Sergey Lavrov, and that he was willing to give a recording of the talks between Putin and Lavrov to Congress if the US requests it." - ZH

Blogger Mr. Excitement May 17, 2017 7:53 AM  

I was listening to Glenn Beck on the radio yesterday morning while driving.

He's the only thing on apart from music and he still, amazingly, has a lot
of affiliates.

I was shocked (almost) at how the Cuckservative media continues to play to every
Leftist premise. Most of his show was dissecting the Trump classified information
disclosure, and if Trump actually committed any crimes.

He mentioned several times that McMaster is a true man of integrity and we should
trust him, because we always trust our military. It was Cucktastic.

While listening, I thought of an analogy to explain Cuckservative media, the Cuckservative movement, and one reason it's lost so much for so long.

The Cuckservative movement is like a cat chasing a laser pointer. The
laser pointer red dot is the newest Leftist narrative.

The Left is the guy with the laser pointer laughing at the cat chasing an
imaginary object that it'll never catch.

The Left simply creates a new Narrative, turns on the laser pointer,
and the Conservatives chase after it with all their energy.

After decades of watching this, I'm still not sure if Conservatives are
stupid and incompetent, or are in on the act.

I think a little of both.

Anonymous Icicle May 17, 2017 7:57 AM  

I'm surprised Glenn Beck has not pulled an Orson Welles yet and ate his fat ass to death.

Anonymous Looking Glass May 17, 2017 7:59 AM  

@38 Salt

I've noticed that Putin et al has gotten pretty solid at learning the refined art of Trolling the MSM. It's been kind of hilarious, if it wasn't to sad or dangerous.

Blogger John Galt May 17, 2017 8:03 AM  

Get a life you insane cat lady.

Anonymous John Hancock May 17, 2017 8:18 AM  

When the president does it, that means it is not illegal.

Blogger RC May 17, 2017 8:25 AM  

I've been awake for decades yet this swamp is deeper than I thought possible. And full of gators and dragons.

Anonymous David-093 May 17, 2017 8:25 AM  

The president has the ultimate authority over classification, so if he wanted to he could reveal any classified intelligence for any reason. Keep that in mind and consider how Hillary's Clinton Foundation made money. She could have sold everything to whoever wanted, and the Deep State would have backed her completely.

Blogger James Dixon May 17, 2017 8:28 AM  

> What process does exist to get rid of a president?

Impeachment and assassination. Those are pretty much it. Impeachment isn't going to happen.

> Their strategy seems clear to me...

I'm glad it's clear to someone. To me it simply sounds like fire and brimstone preaching to the choir to keep them in line.

> Re: Seth Rich, so the family's viewpoint (that this story is bs) matters not in your fantasy?

A man was murdered. Why should we care what anyone's "viewpoint"?

Blogger Jeff Weimer May 17, 2017 8:34 AM  

The President has absolute discretion on what and to whom he may disclose as regards to classified information, if he feels it's important for any reason. It doesn't make it unclassified, but it doesn't make him a criminal either. He may burn a source or method, but the IC will just have to deal - *he's the goddamned boss*.

BTW, any Congressman or Senator can blurt out any classified information they want, too, and as long as it's in the performance of his job (say, on the floor during a speech) he can't be prosecuted, either.

Blogger Jeff Weimer May 17, 2017 8:36 AM  

Speaking of absolute discretion, Obama ordered the IC to share intelligence with Cuba, so this is less than nothing.

Blogger Orville May 17, 2017 8:38 AM  

Trump needs to find an Elliot Ness type of SAC in the FBI and promote him and set him loose. Then he needs to clean house in the Executive. He can't do a damn thing about congress, but he can sure weed out the shit-birds in his staff.

Anonymous Icicle May 17, 2017 8:42 AM  

So what happened to that reporter Hastings, Andrew Breitbart, and his coroner?

Blogger Shimshon May 17, 2017 8:45 AM  

Does recess appointment work for FBI director?

Blogger Dirtnapninja May 17, 2017 8:45 AM  

James Dixon wrote:Really? How exactly. Short of an assassination, there's not much they can do.

I think they are hoping to create the conditions for a kind of colour revolution, where mass protests and civil disobedience force his resignation.

Blogger Johnny May 17, 2017 8:46 AM  

For those who do not know, we share military info all the time. The issue is deterrance. The other side isn't deterred unless they know what you have, and given our abilities, a degree of sharing is a form of deterrance. And hell, currently Russia is helping us with ISIS. Of course we will share some stuff with them if we have half a brain.

What keeps me in the Trump camp is what you get if he goes down. Hillary hit it right with here "deplorable" comment, except that most of the deplorables are on the left.

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 17, 2017 8:51 AM  

I guess if you can't get "grassroots" welfare anymore because your masters can no longer steal elections, it is nice to get paid by them for inspiring their enemies.

Thanks a shillion, shills! That's what Americans call "Not tired of win-winning!"

Blogger Cail Corishev May 17, 2017 8:55 AM  

It's kind of amazing: all during the campaign, the NeverTrumpers kept telling us that Trump was so scandal-ridden, had so many scams and skeletons in his closet, that the Democrats could easily take him out at any time. They were just saving them until the perfect moment. That was the master plan to let Hillary sail into the White House, remember?

But now that the left is really getting desperate, all they can come up with is, "The Russians are coming!" Who's supposed to be Russophobic enough to care about this anyway? Older liberals who spent the last half of the 20th century shilling for the USSR and preaching the superiority of socialism? Millennials who never knew Russia as a country that threatened anyone outside its own neighborhood? Conservatives over 50 seem like the only target for this, and that's a pretty small target.

Blogger Doom May 17, 2017 8:59 AM  

Yes. But nobody cares what the media is saying, except the media. And while they don't consider it all lies, they know it is all irrelevant. If you attempt to drum something up, make sure what you are beating on is hollow? Something like that.

I... was starting to think I was comfortably numb. Maybe so, but if so, they are full on dead. Their lips move but NOBODY can hear what they are saying.

Anonymous CarpeOro May 17, 2017 9:06 AM  

I get the feeling that the term Arkanside is going to make a come back before this is all over. As for pronoun/pro fake news, pretty sure relatives continue to toe the line out of fear.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 17, 2017 9:10 AM  

Third Law, all the Russians did it hysteria makes me think the Ds are in deep water with foreign involvement. I assume it is all done with just a fig leaf of legality via contributions from paperwork citizens but somewhere in the deep state vault of secrets are recordings of payments and favors.

Three states come to mind China, Saudi Arabia and Israel.

Blogger CM May 17, 2017 9:14 AM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:Third Law, all the Russians did it hysteria makes me think the Ds are in deep water with foreign involvement. I assume it is all done with just a fig leaf of legality via contributions from paperwork citizens but somewhere in the deep state vault of secrets are recordings of payments and favors.

Three states come to mind China, Saudi Arabia and Israel.


I agree with the first part (SJWs always project), but Israel? I'd believe it of Iran or Turkey due to how Dems treat Israel. Don't forget the huge mess Obama dumped before leaving office.

Blogger Ken Prescott May 17, 2017 9:22 AM  

"Conservatives over 50 seem like the only target for this, and that's a pretty small target."

I am in that target group, and I'm not buying it.

I spent the formative years of my adulthood in the Marine Corps. My career was book-ended by KAL 007 and the attempted coup against Gorbachev. The "Glavny vrag," to borrow a bit of Russian terminology, was the USSR.

And then the Wall came down. And I was perfectly content to let others stand on the ramparts while I returned to civilian life, went to college, and eventually married.

With age came a tiny bit of wisdom; I have no desire to see another Cold War--to quote Marko Ramius in the movie version of The Hunt For Red October, "A war with no battles, no monuments . . . only casualties."

I doubt many Cold Warriors--the ones who REALLY stood on the ramparts, not the chickenhawks--are particularly eager for another go, either. (Which makes McCain's actions all the more incomprehensible.)

Blogger James Dixon May 17, 2017 9:25 AM  

> ...where mass protests and civil disobedience force his resignation.

OK. I guess it's possible we could have a repeat of Johnson's resignation due to the 1960's riots. Oh, wait a minute...

Blogger dc.sunsets May 17, 2017 9:26 AM  

I wonder if Seth Rich's coup de gras came at the hospital?

The more this story plays in public, the more it reads like a Jason Bourne screenplay.

Life does imitate art. Which is why the tornado-siren-warbling popularity of the Zombie Apocalypse genre scares me.

What I know for sure: I don't have any way of knowing what is going on.
What I thus conclude: Worrying about it is wasted energy. What will be, will be, and the only way to manage that is with distributed planning, AKA cultivating anti-fragility.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 17, 2017 9:29 AM  

Which makes McCain's actions all the more despicable.

FIFY

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 17, 2017 9:32 AM  

McCain is a rent boy, DC is a whorehouse with daily specials given out to foreign interests, an empire now captured by its former lackeys.

Blogger Lazarus May 17, 2017 9:33 AM  

Mr. Excitement wrote:He mentioned several times that McMaster is a true man of integrity and we should

trust him, because we always trust our military. It was Cucktastic.


Meanwhile, Cernovich says his pentagon sources say McMaster is not leadleadership material or even fit to serve.

Blogger Student in Blue May 17, 2017 9:33 AM  

The media's trying to get something to stick.

Today, our local leftist rag is still trying to beat the drum on Comey, trying to title it "James Comey Controversy". The very second sentence is loaded with emotional appeals and qualifiers: "The White House issued a furious denial near the end of a tumultuous day spent beating back potentially disastrous news reports from dawn to dusk."

Am I too young and stupid to remember other times in the past that left-wing nuts have been triggered this hard and long? Because it sure seems to me like Trump is an order of magnitude above the average triggering.

Blogger Lazarus May 17, 2017 9:34 AM  

Now that this information is out, the MSM will be chomping at the bit to interview these cops or their superiors, right?

Blogger dc.sunsets May 17, 2017 9:36 AM  

But nobody cares what the media is saying, except the media.

Be careful about confirmation bias. There are over 100,000,000 people in the USA (and who-knows-how-many outside the US) who still lap up the Left Narrative like a dog re-consumes its puke.

The old Narrative is weaker now than any time in the last 100 years, but it sure as hell IS still THE Narrative. The DJIA is over 20,000!

This Narrative is no longer turning Left as fast as the last 100+ years. It is NOT yet turning Right. When that happens, there will be no mistaking it.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass May 17, 2017 9:41 AM  

"I wonder if Seth Rich's coup de gras came at the hospital?"

@62 Blow of geese? I just had to give you a hard time on that one ;)

Anonymous League Beegle May 17, 2017 9:49 AM  

> He better act fast now - or he might be gone, one way or the other.

Really? How exactly. Short of an assassination, there's not much they can do."

Sure there is. Trump needs the confidence of the GOP to move his agenda. It's not a question of whether he can legally do something, but whether a president should.

It appears now that Trump attempted to stop Comey from investigating and Comey detailed those efforts.

Trump is losing the confidence of the GOP and even his allies. He is becoming isolated. It's killing his agenda...and it's his own fault.

Anonymous Philalethes May 17, 2017 9:50 AM  

@62, @69 It's coup de grâce, "blow of mercy". Gras means "fat", as in Mardi Gras, or pâté de foie gras, "paste of fat [goose] liver".

As for McCain, he's clearly clinically insane, which makes the blindness of the people of Arizona incomprehensible. Didn't he actually have an opponent in the last election, but won handily anyway?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 17, 2017 9:52 AM  

IMO Trump and Putin are steps ahead of the SJW in the media, see Drudge.

The Left is a woman it says anything in the moment to gain the slightest advantage in that moment, worked against the conservative scam artists who were paid to chase after the Left, working less now.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 17, 2017 9:58 AM  

With age came a tiny bit of wisdom; I have no desire to see another Cold War

Good point. Those of us old enough to have had nightmares where mushroom clouds fill the horizon were happy when the Wall came down, when the Soviets pulled back from Eastern Europe, when travel and communications into Russia became possible. Trying to build them back up into the Evil Empire just looks insane.

It's bizarre to watch the same people who cheered Gorbachev's Peace Prize and claimed Reagan was the dangerous aggressor, who visited Potemkin villages and said all was well in Soviet Russia, now acting like Red Dawn was their favorite movie. It's such a bald-faced attempt to rewrite history that it exposes how intellectually bankrupt they are. SJW Convergence on a massive scale.

Anonymous Rfvujm May 17, 2017 9:59 AM  

I'm impressed that they managed to say "problematic" without saying "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic" in the same paragraph this time.

Anonymous Voodoo Ranger May 17, 2017 10:03 AM  

Well, illegal and idiotic are not perfectly overlapping circles.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 17, 2017 10:06 AM  

Because it sure seems to me like Trump is an order of magnitude above the average triggering.

He is. He's a much bigger threat to the establishment than they've faced before (gee, just like we said during the campaign). But also, they're trying to compensate for their diminishing ability to control the Narrative. In 1981, the big three TV networks and a few big newspapers and magazines set the boundaries of what the mainstream thought, or even thought about. As dc.sunsets said, they still control the flow of information for about a third of the country, but their control over the rest is slipping. Alternative sources are gaining volume and listeners, and the MSM is becoming more shrill to try to drown them out.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer May 17, 2017 10:08 AM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:IMO Trump and Putin are steps ahead of the SJW in the media, see Drudge.

The Left is a woman it says anything in the moment to gain the slightest advantage in that moment, worked against the conservative scam artists who were paid to chase after the Left, working less now.


Would be entertaining if Trump's inner circle is coordinating these leaks just to hang the media with an overt information release proving everything they have been reporting has been false.



I was shocked (almost) at how the Cuckservative media continues to play to every
Leftist premise. Most of his show was dissecting the Trump classified information
disclosure, and if Trump actually committed any crimes.

He mentioned several times that McMaster is a true man of integrity and we should
trust him, because we always trust our military. It was Cucktastic.


As much as Beck pretends otherwise, he is a product of the New York media establishment. He hires establishment media staff from researchers to reporters to commentators to management and editors. As a result, all the information he gets comes from establishment sources. The fact that he accepts all of this information from these sources uncritically suggests that he is either extremely naive or not very intelligent. Throw in the fact that he is an emotional Cuck who holds personal grudges against those who hurt his feelings and you have your explanation on his programming/reporting.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 May 17, 2017 10:09 AM  

Notice how John Podesta's name keeps on coming up when it comes to these things.

I wonder what things he would say if he were isolated, alone, and left to some very professional handlers....

Blogger praetorian May 17, 2017 10:09 AM  

What I know for sure: I don't have any way of knowing what is going on.
What I thus conclude: Worrying about it is wasted energy. What will be, will be, and the only way to manage that is with distributed planning, AKA cultivating anti-fragility.


I just come here for the dc.sunset posting.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab May 17, 2017 10:18 AM  

I wonder how many of the shills have the same ip? Are we looking at one guy or a couple? They can't have enough to go to every blog and news site.

Anonymous burgmeister May 17, 2017 10:22 AM  

Impeachment and assassination. Those are pretty much it. Impeachment isn't going to happen.

They certainly don't have anything to do it. And we are now 100+ days in and we can safely assume they would have brought everything out about Trump that they had. But Impeachment is still a possiblitiy, but for it to be successfull, you need the GOP on your side. What we currently see is certainly an attempt to undermine Trump. Clinton was impeached for what exactly?

Also, resignation is another way Trump might be gone.

I'm glad it's clear to someone. To me it simply sounds like fire and brimstone preaching to the choir to keep them in line.

It's a tactic to throw dirt right and left. The Russia narrative indicates that they don't have much else.

Also, as mentioned, it serves to isolate Trump.

Hillary put herself in front of the resistance. In clear preparation to be there when needed.

The Left is a woman it says anything in the moment to gain the slightest advantage in that moment, worked against the conservative scam artists who were paid to chase after the Left, working less now.

The MSM shills for sure, most left politicans as well. But it would be foolish to assume that the left doesn't have strategic minds that look at the long game. They don't mind Trump remaining in power as long as he is somewhat in check.

They mind when Trump is starting to drain the swamp.

Anonymous BBGKB May 17, 2017 10:22 AM  

The President can declassify any information he wishes for any reason he wishes.

He should declassify MLKs files to show how egregious the surveillance of him was, it should have been declassified 50 years after his death. Everyone who has seen it said it would destroy the narrative of MLK.

Russians beat us eighty ways from sunrise when it comes to HUMINT. The Russians just have a talent and instinct for it that we don't

The US invests in tech surveillance that is expensive & can give kickbacks. A 5 billion $ spy satellite that lasts 10 years can give a lot more kickbacks than the same investment over time in HUMINT, and HUMINT has a nasty habit of not reporting the narrative.

As to the Orange Ape, tick tock.

The left is willing to use monkey references to the president again. Too bad it was after one stupider than Coco the sign language gorilla left.


Life does imitate art. Which is why the tornado-siren-warbling popularity of the Zombie Apocalypse genre scares me

Podesta SpiritCooking
Amren recently had a story about a video sponsored by the EU of a post wall fairy godmother using a flying carpet to bring 3rd world moslems into Europe. I looked at an older one by the same people about BREXIT and it had a spirit cooking theme at the end with Merkel eating the British & not just babies either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlvF9VJCA8Y

Blogger OneWingedShark May 17, 2017 10:26 AM  

ZhukovG wrote:I think the only thing that can truly clean up Washington DC involves field artillery.

You might be right -- On the other hand, have you seen a 155mm high-explosive round bombardment? (It's pretty darn cool.)

Looking Glass wrote:@10 James Dixon

Assassination would also backfire. Not only do we know exactly who to blame; it's not going to be mass mourning like with JFK. There is only 1 group that benefits from Trump being gone and most aren't going to care if some "innocent" swamp members get caught up in the reckoning.


That's not exactly true: there are multiple groups that benefit -- though admittedly there's a LOT of overlap, to the point that it is really hard to distinguish at times.

Icicle wrote:Have we gotten anywhere with Susan Rice and the Derp State Gate?

Kucinich said he was surveilled.

Now Rand Paul is saying something.

Then many Americans were unmasked.

Scalia was saying something about the Supreme Court being surveilled before he died (makes you think about the Obamacare vote).

Obviously Seth Rich was surveilled before someone took him out.

Who else?


With the NSA reveals the answer seems to be: everybody.

Mr.MantraMan wrote:Third Law, all the Russians did it hysteria makes me think the Ds are in deep water with foreign involvement. I assume it is all done with just a fig leaf of legality via contributions from paperwork citizens but somewhere in the deep state vault of secrets are recordings of payments and favors.

Three states come to mind China, Saudi Arabia and Israel.


It's not just the democrats; it's the republicans, too... essentially the "politically elite" who view themselves as essentially above the law. -- And one obvious state, the world leader in state-sponsored terrorism, comes to mind: Iran.

(The Iran deal was, and is, Treason; it passed the senate 98-1.)



Blogger wreckage May 17, 2017 10:27 AM  

Onto something or not onto something, the shill level indicates the emotional response to the post.

It may be close to the truth, or it may be emotionally painful for them, and I am not sure which would make Vox happier.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 17, 2017 10:55 AM  

It may be close to the truth, or it may be emotionally painful for them,

The truth is emotionally painful for them.

Blogger JP May 17, 2017 10:57 AM  

@SteelPalm That's a joke. Nearly every intel asset out there is a criminal. Why would they follow the law when they're not actually subject to its oversight?

Blogger Nationalist Flicka May 17, 2017 11:06 AM  

Who else?

Um, Breitbart. Michael Hastings.

Just off the top of my head.

Blogger Student in Blue May 17, 2017 11:08 AM  

@76. Cail Corishev
But also, they're trying to compensate for their diminishing ability to control the Narrative.

Ah, that's the ingredient I had forgotten about - that frantic, growing desperation as the media start to slowly realize how irrelevant they've become. Thank you for the reminder.

Anonymous Grayman May 17, 2017 11:15 AM  

@68 @76 DC & Cali

The fight is for the middle 1/3rd of society. The leftist are busy further polarizing themselves to a nice frothy “literally hitler” state. The alt-right is busy doing more or less the same thing; that is consolidating. All while both sides try to draw in as much of the middle as possible. From talking to people it seems like much of the middle has given up on the MSM and doesn’t know who to believe now as both left and right seem extreme to them, choosing either side will force them to alter their world view, not something they really want to do.
I know I’m beating a dead horse, but the Spanish civil war seems to be the model we are following for this phase, the consolidation phase of things. As we progress it would probably be wise to aware of the history of the Vendee as I agree with Zman that the Vendee model could be a possibility once the left hit a critical point.
http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=10311

Anonymous BBGKB May 17, 2017 11:22 AM  

OT: Puerto Rico votes on whether or not to become a welfare recipient state in June. This article makes the case Obama tried to make things worse in PR to encourage pro state forces.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/is-puerto-ricos-economic-collapse-a-ploy-by-liberals-to-permanently-shift-the-balance-of-power-in-congress

Blogger kurt9 May 17, 2017 11:23 AM  

I will say it again. If Trump is either assassinated or removed from office, for any reason whatsoever, I will consider it a coup. My friends assure me that there are millions of people who feel just as I do, but far more strongly about this issue.

Blogger Dexter May 17, 2017 11:23 AM  

The way a member of the Russian intelligence explained it to my father, a more totalitarian government will ALWAYS beat a more democratic government when it comes to espionage. No exceptions.

Nope. British and Americans completely outwitted Germany in the espionage game in WW2.

Blogger bosscauser May 17, 2017 11:25 AM  

So, who should be able to declassify?
Eventually, everything becomes classified the what?

Guess again...

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

Anonymous M May 17, 2017 11:25 AM  

There are over 100,000,000 people in the USA (and who-knows-how-many outside the US) who still lap up the Left Narrative like a dog re-consumes its puke.

Poetically stated.

A family member still has a $Hillary sign on his front door.

Blogger Dexter May 17, 2017 11:28 AM  

> What process does exist to get rid of a president?

Impeachment and assassination. Those are pretty much it. Impeachment isn't going to happen.


They are a little more subtle now. Embroil president in scandal, and either force him to resign or neutralize him politically so the Deep State runs the show (see: Watergate, Iran-Contra).

Blogger bosscauser May 17, 2017 11:31 AM  

1995 Trump was a registered REPUBLICAN.
He's never been an arch conservative.

More like Reagan who, as governor outlawed open carry and passed first abortion bill...

Then, after saving the system, ran largest deficits in history raised taxes 18 times...

Called doing what is right not idealogically pure.

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

Blogger Salt May 17, 2017 11:31 AM  

kurt9 wrote:If Trump is either assassinated or removed from office, for any reason whatsoever, I will consider it a coup.

Trump is a counter-coup, the original coup being Kennedy.

Blogger John Williams May 17, 2017 11:32 AM  

The MSM is the same people who gave Hillary a pass for criminal mismanagement of classified (C) information. Their blindness is matched by their (((fake))) outrage.

Blogger Doom May 17, 2017 11:35 AM  

I think president Trump is at a crossroads. He can keep listening to the moderates, and left who may seem to be reaching out, both of whom are guiding him toward a firing squad, the wrong side of it, or he can decide that America is a step above and keep that plan going. There isn't another option.

If he decides that America is worth it, and should remain in charge of itself, and biased towards itself, it's people, and it's economy and rule, then... some people are going to have to go down. Soros, and a few others, will have to go away. Russia would happily take him, as might a few other former East Bloc countries. Hillary and Obama will have to... be learned. A few other fish will have to be fried. The rest will take a hint.

I am not sure he CAN do it. I am less sure that he will, regardless what his beliefs really are. As with many whites, his hubris... his belief that it'll all work out because he says so or wants it to do so, might get him lined up and ended... politically at the very least. Though doing what I suggest will mean war. A mostly cold/secret war... but that's already on. I just hope he doesn't think he's big enough to just ignore it. Or that the moderates are really in it for him, and America, and will back him. He is getting close to being more alone than ever. There is no middle ground here.

Blogger bosscauser May 17, 2017 11:35 AM  

Since the President is the ultimate executive authority under the Constitution he is the ultimate classifier of Intel.

Perhaps you would prefer putting every classified document up to the voters?

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

Anonymous Grayman May 17, 2017 11:37 AM  

One of the interesting things about Trump is the lack of dirt. Wealth usually magnifies things, good and bad. If the worst amplified bad/questionable/degenerate habits Trump has are plating everything in gold and talking about attractive women in vulgar terms in private conversation, then frankly he is closer to a saint than virtually any of us would be given that level of wealth.

Anonymous Thales May 17, 2017 11:37 AM  

the God-Emperor literally cannot break the law in this regard, because his actions DEFINE the relevant law.

Indeed. The baizuo had no problem with this concept with the gay mulatto was in office.

Anonymous Gen. Kong May 17, 2017 11:40 AM  

basementhomebrewer wrote:
Meanwhile in fly over country.... We hear all the BS coming out of both parties in the beltway and get more and more angry. The fools think taking out Trump would be a win for them. Little do they realize that, if they are successful, the next person we send will not be so accommodating and merciful.

The cattle and sheep aren't going to be allowed to send anyone in any more than they will be in France, Germany or Sweden. If they get rid of Trump - and according to (((fake news))) all they need are 12 Repuke votes - Pence is a cuck they can rely on to install criminals with badges like Comey to ensure nothing is uncovered or punished. Something considerably more robust than "voting" in rigged elections a la Zimbabwe's will be required. As d.c. sunsets likes to remind us, this can't take place until the debt-racketeering casino referred to as the "free market" by idiots like Limbaugh finally collapses.

Blogger ZhukovG May 17, 2017 11:41 AM  

@OneWingedShark: I have had the privilege of observing the effects of various kinds of ordinance in both my military and civilian life. The 155 is most inspiring.

Someone mentioned the possibility of a 'Color Revolution' as a means of forcing the GE's resignation. While I doubt it would work, that is Soros' and the Globalist's MO.

Now my information is largely anecdotal, but my work frequently brings me in contact with military personnel. From what I can see the military appear to strongly support the GE so an attempted Color Revolution could go rather badly for the Globalists.

Blogger Quilp May 17, 2017 11:56 AM  

I don't understand the fuss. It's not like Trump provided the Russians with the serial numbers of Brit nuclear weapons without the Brits consent.

Anonymous MongoJimmy May 17, 2017 12:24 PM  

From the hinterlands of the Occult: The Poop Hits The Fan for DJT on or around August 21 when there will be a total eclipse of the sun over the Eastern seaboard. For better or worse.

Blogger Aeoli Pera May 17, 2017 12:48 PM  

"I am the law."

Blogger Avalanche May 17, 2017 12:56 PM  

@47 "Seth Rich, so the family's viewpoint (that this story is bs) matters not in your fantasy?
A man was murdered. Why should we care what anyone's "viewpoint"?"

Seth AND his family were/are DEMS -- why would anyone think they would even consider that Saint Death Grandma was anything less than the next rightful dicta... er.. prez?! And the ideas that that "their" candidate might be involved in their sons murder?! HORRORS! InconCEIVable!!

Blogger Cail Corishev May 17, 2017 1:01 PM  

They are a little more subtle now. Embroil president in scandal, and either force him to resign or neutralize him politically so the Deep State runs the show (see: Watergate, Iran-Contra).

The only problem with that strategy is that it requires the cooperation of the target. If he simply refuses to step down or to stop pursuing his goals, there's not much they can do about it.

Heck, even if there were a real scandal the American people were furious about, a president could decide to ride it out and accomplish as much as possible before being ousted. One thing that's been so frustrating about past Republican presidents is that they didn't even try to hold out or raise the stakes; as soon as there was pressure they focused on trying to mollify it.

Blogger Avalanche May 17, 2017 1:02 PM  

@72 "As for McCain, he's clearly clinically insane, which makes the blindness of the people of Arizona incomprehensible. Didn't he actually have an opponent in the last election, but won handily anyway?"

What? You never heard of VOTER FRAUD!?!?

Blogger Avalanche May 17, 2017 1:05 PM  

@81 "Clinton was impeached for what exactly?"

He was impeached for lying under oath in a court. The MEDIA turned it into he was impeached for a blowjob. And the MPAI lined yp like good little sheepies and said 'bah.'

Blogger Avalanche May 17, 2017 1:07 PM  

@83 "That's not exactly true: there are multiple groups that benefit -- though admittedly there's a LOT of overlap, to the point that it is really hard to distinguish at times"

Kill them all, let the ghost of Stalin sort them out!

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club May 17, 2017 1:28 PM  

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Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club May 17, 2017 1:29 PM  

Is this distraught "ally" Saudi Arabia, our bestest friend in the whole wide Middle East? Did this "leak" include a list of all the Islamic terror they're sponsoring worldwide? No?

I just can't imagine what other dangerously duplicitous member of "Our Gang" it could be. Iceland? Moldova? Vatican City!?!?

Blogger tublecane May 17, 2017 1:38 PM  

@46-There's also resignation. Nixon didn't come up with that idea out of the blue, but he was hounded out of office. Under the threat of impeachment, yes, but not actual impeachment.

Of course, Trump lacks Nixon's bonkers sense of integrity, if you want to call it that.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 17, 2017 1:38 PM  

@72
As for McCain, he's clearly clinically insane, which makes the blindness of the people of Arizona incomprehensible. Didn't he actually have an opponent in the last election, but won handily anyway?

He polls well in the upscale parts of Tucson and Scottsdale. He also polls well in the retirement towns on the west side of Phoenix, home of "Silver Alerts". That's when a cotton top suffering from dementia goes for a drive but can't remember where anything is. My friends in Arizona sigh "He's just gonna die in office".

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 17, 2017 1:41 PM  

@109
The only problem with that strategy is that it requires the cooperation of the target. If he simply refuses to step down or to stop pursuing his goals, there's not much they can do about it.


We are already seeing some of that from Trump.
MOAR, please. It's the best way to kick the Overton window good and hard, and it is still way cheaper than any of the alternatives.

Blogger James Dixon May 17, 2017 1:46 PM  

> Trump is losing the confidence of the GOP and even his allies. He is becoming isolated. It's killing his agenda...and it's his own fault.

No, he isn't. He never had the confidence of the GOPe. Nothing has changed in that regard. But they know better than to oppose him in public (except for he crazies like McCain and Graham). He hasn't lost any allies.

> With the NSA reveals the answer seems to be: everybody.

Yes. The NSA is intercepting everything and storing it.

> Embroil president in scandal, and either force him to resign...

Not going to happen.

> ...or neutralize him politically so the Deep State runs the show (see: Watergate, Iran-Contra).

That's a valid plan, since Trump has never had a support base in the party. But the party is afraid to openly oppose him because they know he has the support of the people, so I have no idea how effective it will be.

> Perhaps you would prefer putting every classified document up to the voters?

I would prefer declassifying everything. Nothing our government does should be kept secret from the American people. Are there problems with that idea? Sure, but they're better than the problems with the current system.

> He was impeached for lying under oath in a court

Exactly.

Blogger tublecane May 17, 2017 1:53 PM  

@81-"Clinton was impeached for what exactly?"

Perjury and obstruction of justice. The former doesn't apply to Trump, though I guess they could throw the latter at him. That appears to be the point of the he tried to talk Coney out of investigating Flynn business.

But wouldn't they require an underlying crime? Because the Flynn investigation was a waste of time. I suppose they got Scooter Libby for what was Dick Armitage's doing, for instance. You can technically obstruct justice when nothing about justice is at stake.

But to nab a president for obstructing a baseless case? That sounds ridiculously optimistic.

Blogger S. Misanthrope May 17, 2017 2:36 PM  

Holy fucking shit, my work blocks me from viewing the Fox News article linked in this post. I seriously need to get out of this place.

Blogger tublecane May 17, 2017 2:43 PM  

I've long thought about tracking political news on the basis of when people commonly take vacations, though I never get around to it. Do you think perchance the MSM is really shrill right now because it's mid-May and journalists, politicians, and their audience alike will soon be taking a break?

Gotta cram in all the hysteria you can before you head out to Martha's Vineyard and Joe Blow heads to his uncle's cabin on Dead Beaver Lake.

Blogger SteelPalm May 17, 2017 5:05 PM  

@86 @SteelPalm That's a joke. Nearly every intel asset out there is a criminal. Why would they follow the law when they're not actually subject to its oversight?

Exactly.

This simple bit of reasoning escaped the members of Congress in the early 1980s.

Anonymous Icicle May 17, 2017 8:52 PM  

Who else?

Um, Breitbart. Michael Hastings.

Just off the top of my head.


Don't forget Breitbart's coroner.


With the NSA reveals the answer seems to be: everybody.

Yes. The NSA is intercepting everything and storing it.


You don't think they are just storing it, do you?

Anonymous Saracen III May 17, 2017 8:58 PM  

@118 " neutralize him politically so the Deep State runs the show"

It has already been done, most like likely by direct threat to his family plus assorted billions in post-term bribes. The "beautiful babies" speech was coded acceptance of the deal. Drumming him out of office would have put armed patriots on the streets and Deep State knows it.


Now, in consequence:
Hillary will not go to trial.
There will be few indictments and no convictions.
Trump will not serve a 2nd term.
The Wall will not nearly be completed.
Muddlin' Through Warfare-and-Waste will continue unchecked.

Unless DT finds the nerve for a direct public call for help.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 18, 2017 12:55 AM  

@synp
"No, it doesn't become declassified if Donald Trump said it, even if he had said it in public, let alone if he bla bla bla"

Exactly. Everyone knows that the final authority on classified documents in the US is not the head of the executive branch, but an entirely different authority-- the Israel government. It's right there in the Constitution. It's not declassified until Netanyahu says it is.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 18, 2017 1:19 AM  

@Me Myself
"Re: Seth Rich"

While it's certainly relevant that longtime Democrat professional PR consultant and former executive director of the Congressional Progressive caucus Brad Bauman is skeptical of the recently discovered facts, given his obvious bias, that's hardly dispositive.

Also, one might perhaps note that Bauman's firm is the Pastorum Group. "Pastorum" means "shepherds" in Latin, which would make those who mindlessly follow his directions what again?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 18, 2017 1:28 AM  

@Buybuydandavis
"Problematic" - I've got no argument against it, but I no like!"

Hey, they're literally shaking here!

Blogger Jan Minář May 18, 2017 8:00 AM  

With all the Saudi contributions to Clinton Foundation, and Crooked's Saudi chief of staff, what room for speculation is there?

Blogger DonReynolds May 18, 2017 10:34 AM  

The Lying Media has nothing but stony silence for the Seth Rich murder/assassination. Even if it were possible to pretend that this was just another DC crime statistic, it must be the most obtuse event to occur in my lifetime.....without being attributed to any relevant facts, which cannot be reported.

Had these same media hacks covered the Lincoln Assassination, they would report that the President seems to had an unusual mishap, but it is years too soon to say that a crime MAY have been committed....the President is presently not available for interview or comment and we all hope for his speedy recovery at some future date. In the meantime, the Executive function will still be performed by Lincoln's closest associates (who hated his guts).

Blogger James Dixon May 19, 2017 10:09 AM  

> You don't think they are just storing it, do you?

Oh, they have automated analysis of everything. But it only attracts the attention of real people in special circumstances or if the automated analysis triggers a further look.

Blogger The Kurgan May 20, 2017 6:25 AM  

Resident moron,
You really are.

X talking about classified information makes X prosecutable.

The God Emperor doing it results in the information becoming declassified.
What don't you understand?

Anonymous franklinjennings May 21, 2017 12:11 PM  

I wonder why Hillary hasn't "demanded justice" for these dead staffers of hers. If she wasn't dispensing mob justice against them, then her team was being attacked. You'd have expected her to demand investigations into these suspicious murders. Was it Trump? Was it the Russians? It's almost like she didn't WANT to know what Podesta ordered.

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