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Sunday, May 07, 2017

Darkstream: no vindication for the establishment

Even the media recognizes that there has been a massive shift in the political divide in Europe, as in the USA, from Classical Liberal vs Socialist to Nationalist vs Globalist.
A Le Pen loss, however, will hardly be a knockout blow for populism — or a ringing vindication of the establishment.

If anything, the French campaign has solidified the new fracture lines in modern politics, which bear little relation to the relatively modest differences marking the old left-right divide. Instead, the choice voters face on Sunday illustrates the profound new chasm in the West: between those who favor open, globalized societies and others who prefer closed, nationalized ones.

“What’s the common ground between Macron and Le Pen? There is none. What we’re seeing is historic: a choice between two completely different modes of organizing a society,” said Madani Cheurfa, a professor of politics at Paris’s Sciences Po.
This transcontinental political transition is still much closer to the beginning than it is to the end. I discuss this in more detail in my post-French election Darkstream.

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Blogger allyn71 May 07, 2017 3:29 PM  

Everywhere the reactionaries are on the rise. The growth of far right and far left come at the expensive of the middle, the establishment.

Blogger seeingsights May 07, 2017 3:34 PM  

There is a another election which some folks seem to have forgotten. There's going to be an election in about a month in the UK where the conventional wisdom is that the Conservatives will increase their lead in Parliament. Such an election result will give the Brexiteers a stronger hand against the EU.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales May 07, 2017 3:44 PM  

You need to debate Alex Jones. Never met a stronger civic nationalist high on the party line BS there.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 07, 2017 3:45 PM  

Vox, is there a reason that Britain and the US turned away from the Globalists ahead of the other countries like France?

From what I am hearing on the darkstream, you are predicting they will be coming around in a later cycle.

Anonymous gxg May 07, 2017 3:50 PM  

I'm glad to see you're posting the links to the Darkstreams again. They weren't showing up for me, so these postings are especially helpful. Also, it's interesting to read the comments here afterward, so it's a double-benefit. Thanks!

Anonymous Looking Glass May 07, 2017 3:56 PM  

@4 Were-Puppy

The EU is a French-German project. The control is much deeper in those areas. And, because of the economic differences, a lot of the UK and USA have paid far more for the policies of the Globalists. Realistically speaking, the EU has been very good for a lot of Germany and significant portions of France. (At the massive cost to everyone else, mind you.)

Which is why the complete collapse of the traditional French parties is a big part of the issue. Macron was the "break in case of emergency" candidate. Sure, he's a puppet, but the system was blown up, very badly, regardless of the outcome.

There's also the little detail that the French, for as much as people mock them, do have a world-class Intelligence & Security operation. If the "gloves" are taken off, they'll deal with the problem fairly quickly. The French do brutal in a high-fashion way, but don't think they cannot or will not get brutal on the problems. I would just assume the body politic is not quite ready for it. The fact voting came in at 50-year lows points to a lot of people agreeing but not, yet, wanting to pull the trigger.

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 07, 2017 3:57 PM  

Were-Puppy I think it is a couple things: a) America and Britain are in deeper trouble and it is more obvious. b) the party structures of the continent are very, very different from the two party system of the UK and uniparty system of the US.

The UK always had greater discomfort with the EU, so it was more likely for them to ditch it first.

Blogger tublecane May 07, 2017 4:03 PM  

I've felt alienated from the MSM and Conservatism, Inc. for a long, long time, about this particular I don't want to say fake, but definitely oversold controversy. Why go on talking, for instance, forever about communism after the Fall? There's more to life, you know.

Commies were, of course, by and large globalists. Even supposedly nationalist ones like Stalin encouraged the global communist revolution. But among those who recognized that fact on the Respectable Right, you'd think it ended there. I mean the conspiratorial part, anyway. You can be an upstanding member of Conservatism, Inc. and oppose World Government, the U.N., etc. Just like for decades they accepted the votes of Buchananites, protectionists, immigration restrictionists, and, say, "single issue" anti-abortionists without ever planning to further their interests in any way.

However, it wasn't just commies who wanted to rule the world. W. Cleon Skousen, who wrote a Red Scare book called The Naked Communist, also wrote The Naked Capitalist, an expose of Carroll Quigley's book Tragedy and Hope. Which was about various globalist conspiracies. All of which I'd consider left-wing, and communism and socialism were weapons. But you would put your brain in knots trying to understand them in conventional 20th century liberal economic terms. Hence the "capitalist" of the title.

Ah, but that was a book written by a Bircher, or at least a Birch Society sympathizer. Conspiracy junk, which you don't have to read. Outside the bounds of respectable opinion, which you can pick up on from listening to the squabbling heads on cable news.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents May 07, 2017 4:04 PM  

Ok, so Makron wins. The Stroggification of France begins.
We'll see how it ends.

Anonymous Looking Glass May 07, 2017 4:08 PM  

On the point about understanding Europe, and especially Italy, I'd submit Italians don't understand Italy either. Which isn't too surprising. It's a country that's really a bunch of City-States, but they've lost their Noble class. And they all got shoved together because... reasons.

It's several people groups smashed together with less experience at self-rule than the USA at the time of the Civil War. It's always messy and confusing. Mostly because it takes several hundred years for the Self-Rule skills to become second nature.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell May 07, 2017 4:10 PM  

All this election proves is that the French establishment will do anything it can to hold onto power.

Blogger Lazarus May 07, 2017 4:15 PM  

It is far from over though

“Macron’s biggest challenge now is to win the battle for parliament,” Dominique Reynie, politics professor at Sciences Po, said in an interview. “In the French system, if he doesn’t have a majority he’d have only limited power, he’d become a constitutional monarch. If he has his own majority, he’d have all the powers which the Fifth Republic grants the president.”

In her concession speech, Le Pen claimed the mantle of leader of the opposition, saying that the legislative elections were looming and “I’ll be at the head of this fight.”

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales May 07, 2017 4:18 PM  

Question as an American who is not and never will be European (huzzah): Is my understanding of France accurate enough that the statement that France is a heavily centralized bureaucracy, primarily centered around its capital where life fairly revolves around its capital and the establishment wants to keep it that way at all costs?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 07, 2017 4:28 PM  

But does the historic French nation have representation in this "democracy?"

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales May 07, 2017 4:32 PM  

"But does the historic French nation have representation in this "democracy?""

If not, hey, it's France. Aren't they due for another violent revolution? I mean, wasn't there a river where they drowned Algerians and put a banner nearby saying, 'This is where we drown Algerians?'

Anonymous glosoli May 07, 2017 4:32 PM  

The French, originators of the Endarkenment, always bound to keep swinging left. Even Le Pen is a closet leftist, much like Trump.

The day we have political parties vowing to end all manner of satanist policies is the day we start to see the real swing to the right. No one will vote for that though, everyone wants free healthcare, social security, state education, state-sponsored abortions, pensions, no-blame divorces, redistribution (theft) the whole anti-Christian package.

Every candidate that prolongs that status quo is a leftist. Every candidate is also likely to be a psychopath, in it only for themselves.

Rightists will only come to power after the left abolish democracy, and hopefully before the democides begin.

And they won't be including old fucking women or divorcees, nor Goldman's usual suspects in their cabinets, only good men. I pray I live to see those days.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales May 07, 2017 4:37 PM  

@16

That's nice. You're idiocy and delusion really convinced me to your side.

Anonymous MendoScot May 07, 2017 4:46 PM  

It's frustrating to hear so many declaring defeat even as Nationalism moves forward, taking ground that was unthinkable even 5 years ago. I left the UK 30 years ago over Thatcher's failure to keep us out of the EUSSR, but after 20 years in Argentina I'm only beginning to get a sense of why the country that should be the Canada of the South is such a persistent, and self-inflicted, disaster.

This is even more of a victory than Wilders in Holland. Macron was a move of desperation, and may very well blow up in the faces of the Euro-elites.

Blogger Happy LP9 May 07, 2017 4:48 PM  

Between this I was noting the live streams at youtube for NOLA/NOPD or antifa in New Orleans, patriots are present and winning.

What a shiv to France - what the heck happened.

Many are shocked LePen did not win but she and the nationalists have won they may not understand it right now but LePen ideas won, Islam lost, how much more money will islam in France now receive with Macron? Mo money for islam, rape the native women and rape natives via the EU money horror show. More chaos to follow, because it may take another decade or election cycle for Marine or a nationalist/16 pointers to win.

How much more can the French people endure? Proving they are not raciss has a body count.

Blogger Keith Glass May 07, 2017 4:52 PM  

Well, looks like France will be lead by a woman.

Too bad she's German, not French. . . .

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 07, 2017 4:52 PM  

@18 MendoScot
I left the UK 30 years ago over Thatcher's failure to keep us out of the EUSSR, but after 20 years in Argentina I'm only beginning to get a sense of why the country that should be the Canada of the South is such a persistent, and self-inflicted, disaster.

It's full of Argies, just for a start.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales May 07, 2017 4:55 PM  

"It's frustrating to hear so many declaring defeat even as Nationalism moves forward, taking ground that was unthinkable even 5 years ago."

Ain't that the truth. You told me five years ago that Donald Trump was gonna be President, I would have said, 'Yeah, and whose his VP gonna be? His toupee?'


"I left the UK 30 years ago over Thatcher's failure to keep us out of the EUSSR, but after 20 years in Argentina I'm only beginning to get a sense of why the country that should be the Canada of the South is such a persistent, and self-inflicted, disaster."

Here's a hint: it's because it's Argentina, NOT Canada. Duh.

"This is even more of a victory than Wilders in Holland. Macron was a move of desperation, and may very well blow up in the faces of the Euro-elites."

Assuming they don't bury his own leaked info about him... but even then, it'll be hard to ignore the tangible evidence once the hadjis become more emboldened and rack up the kill count even higher. After all, Macro did say that terrorism is just something you have to accept and rollover and die about.

Anonymous Looking Glass May 07, 2017 5:03 PM  

@19 Happy LP9

The EU elite's play with Macron was somewhat Obama-like. Bring in a fresh-faced, ambitious guy that they control. However, having a chance to actually look at the situation, the French pretty much just went through an election cycle without a Democrat or Republican on the ballot, in the American context. (This can actually happen in a few places in the South, though it hasn't in a long time.)

But, much like if Perot had won the US Presidency, Macron is in a messy situation. Political Power is a nasty place to be without friends. Especially when you're the puppet.

Anonymous MendoScot May 07, 2017 5:03 PM  

Heh, you both have it backwards. They wanted and planned to be the great nation of the South, basing their Constitution on the US's and selecting carefully who could immigrate. Call it Cargo Cult Constitutionalism. It took me 2 decades to perceive that they don't understand liberty as we do. Given Vox's 20 years in Italy, I'm sure he can explain the concept.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales May 07, 2017 5:09 PM  

"It took me 2 decades to perceive that they don't understand liberty as we do."

Again... because they're Argentines. Not Americans, and, referencing my and the other guy's earlier posts, they're not Canadians either.

I mean, what country with Gendarmes isn't a complete basket case?

Blogger tuberman May 07, 2017 5:13 PM  

1. allyn71

"Everywhere the reactionaries are on the rise. The growth of far right and far left come at the expensive of the middle, the establishment."

Nope, the Left and the Globalists have been very extreme for a long time now, and the mild Leftists (a few remaining center-Left feminist and such) have no voice. The extreme left is forcing center -Right and even some of the few remaining non-extreme leftists over to the Right.

The Alinski left has been running things along with the Globalist Bankers for a long time, and from the perspective of anti-Nationalism, they are both as far out as can be, and have been for decades.

Blogger tuberman May 07, 2017 5:19 PM  

1. allyn71


My point being, the whole Left/Right worldview is out of sync with today's reality, unles it is put in perspective of NWO vs Nationalism.

Anonymous MendoScot May 07, 2017 5:20 PM  

Also, Merkel's party in "surprise" victory.

https://www.ft.com/content/d52727f6-3341-11e7-bce4-9023f8c0fd2e

Emmanuel, go back 100 years and Argentina was the 8th richest country in the world. Those were also Argentines. What happened next was massive immigration from the Mediterranean countries, particularly Italy and the Armenian diaspora, and a complete change in the attitude of the people with regards to the government. Argentina was competing with the US for the best of Europe, and ended up taking a lot of Eastern Europeans, particularly Jews. This made Buenos Aires the second most Jewish city in the world and, from my own experience, one of the most corrupt systems you can imagine.

It was not "Argentines" that made the mess, but decisions that changed what "Argentine" meant.

Blogger Zundfolge May 07, 2017 5:27 PM  

I think the Le Pen defeat will actually work out in the long run to be even worse for the globalist establishment.

Le Pen is a moderate, socialist-lite who happens to have a couple of "right wing" views (ie opposed to unfettered immigration and doesn't like the EU).

The continued lumbering in the left/prog/globalist/EUnionist direction is going to elicit a backlash that will be much harsher to the establishment than Le Pen.

They'll end up getting a Hitler down the road, one that won't just leave establishment types unemployed, one that will leave them strung up to gas station awnings all over Paris.

Blogger Charles Martel May 07, 2017 5:40 PM  

What, the French were never going to have to answer for 1789's liberté égalité fraternité (along with the multitude of innocent citizens, priests and religious who were guillotined)?
La France est morte--La France est morte. It will soon be nothing more than a mulatto hellhole.

Anonymous Steve May 07, 2017 5:42 PM  

Yarp. Back in the good old days of the 80's the political divide was a relatively modest (if passionately fought) one, mostly over fiscal policy and the size of the state.

It's increasingly a chasm separating mutually antagonistic identity groups and fought over existential matters.

We cannot, as the estimable Rep. Steve King said, perpetuate our civilisation with other peoples' babies.

We could live with the Left getting in and raising taxes for a few years, or the Right winning and slowing government spending growth for a season.

We literally can't live with replacement-level immigrant invasion and weaponised poz in the longer term. It's a testament to the fundamental decency and restraint of European men that more haven't snapped and gone Breivik yet.

Similarly, the globalist party and its creepy crawly collection of coprophagous creditors and cleptoparasitic clients cannot live with the things that are necessary to get them off our backs. Because that means a range of intolerable (for them) outcomes, of which asset-stripping, jail terms, unemployment or being roughed up and deported are among the mildest options.

It's all shaping up quite nicely from the devil's perspective. This is the sort of fundamental destroy-or-be-destroyed choice that faced the Roundheads and the Cavaliers.

But the outcome isn't really in doubt. Inbred, semi-retarded Mussulmen who would starve to death in a week without handouts; hamplanetoid feminist cheesehogs; skeletal GRIDS-ridden LGBTQIAWTF/Pizza activists; dreadliced spaghetti-armed Antifa posers; barren old harpies and liverspotted geriatric billionaire-mummies who look like a misplaced pillow would pose a mortal threat to them aren't the future.

Blogger JWM in SD May 07, 2017 5:42 PM  

Lazarus wrote:In her concession speech, Le Pen claimed the mantle of leader of the opposition, saying that the legislative elections were looming and “I’ll be at the head of this fight.”

No, she won't. They will go after now because of the leaks. That's how screwed up the politics are in France. Watch...

Anonymous Mycroft Jones May 07, 2017 5:42 PM  

If the damaged ballots were counted, would Marine Le Pen still have won? How many of her ballots were damaged and thus, not counted? Would she have lost anyways even without such blatant vote stealing?

Anonymous Crew May 07, 2017 5:42 PM  

I need some more good books from Kratman to drown my sorrows. Where is Kratman when you need him? And what is happening with the Carrera series?

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales May 07, 2017 5:44 PM  

"It was not "Argentines" that made the mess..."

But you just admitted they allowed all that immigration in the first place!

Anonymous MendoScot May 07, 2017 5:46 PM  

To finish off this digression into austral history, a brief anecdote from the 2003 Argentine elections - which also went to ballotage between the known corrupt former president Carlos Menem, and a little known Patagonian senator by the name of Nestor Kirchner. In the first round, Menem had won by a comfortable margin, 25% to K's 22%, and moved into action to defeat his inexperienced rival throwing money and influence around with all the confidence of a man who knew he was going to spend 4 years looting the national treasury. His return to power was considered so inevitable that at over 70, he even wed a former Miss Universe decades younger than himself.

Until the polls started to come in. He never managed to poll over 26% - 1% more than his first round results. In other words, everyone who would vote for him had, in the first round.

LePen's rise to nearly 40% (in the last results I saw) shows that there is huge Nationalist support looking for the right candidate. And don't think for a moment that the Euro-elites don't understand this.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales May 07, 2017 5:49 PM  

@30

Oh get off with that anti-francophone screed, pal. I'm about as anti-French as it comes and this election just makes me want to forge a dagger in the shape of a cedilla to shove up the next white flag waving, cheese eating surrender monkey I see as the next one, but I think Napoleon and the whole World War I thing and the whole occupation by the Krauts in World War 2 thing kind of, sort of, already are kind of a massive punishment, don't ya think? At least for birthing the first atheist regime in history, anyways.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales May 07, 2017 5:54 PM  

"But the outcome isn't really in doubt. Inbred, semi-retarded Mussulmen who would starve to death in a week without handouts; hamplanetoid feminist cheesehogs; skeletal GRIDS-ridden LGBTQIAWTF/Pizza activists; dreadliced spaghetti-armed Antifa posers; barren old harpies and liverspotted geriatric billionaire-mummies who look like a misplaced pillow would pose a mortal threat to them aren't the future."

Damn straight. I don't understand why gays and gay lovers don't get this: history belongs to those who show up, so even the musselman will beat them out if it ever came time that their shared enemies were destroyed and time to operation Barbarossa someone.

Blogger JACIII May 07, 2017 6:01 PM  

Lucky for us the church of modern globalism, like the loser commies before them, requires that no one can escape their clutches (lest someone is left to speak a truth). Unfortunately for them, one shoe does not fit all.

The EU thought they had everyone sewn up tight enough that it was free to begin pillaging the treasure of it's serf states and dilute their will to resist with a raghead invasion. That overreach cost them their dream.

Scary to Think how much farther they would have gotten had they bided their time and simply governed well.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales May 07, 2017 6:07 PM  

"Scary to Think how much farther they would have gotten had they bided their time and simply governed well."

But then, they wouldn't be globalists, would they?

Blogger frigger611 May 07, 2017 6:17 PM  

Paris was much more beautiful during Nazi Occupation. Just sayin'....

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales May 07, 2017 6:20 PM  

@42

And at least Hitler paid respects to his early 1800's french counterpart.

Anonymous Crew May 07, 2017 6:22 PM  

Damn straight. I don't understand why gays and gay lovers don't get this: history belongs to those who show up, so even the musselman will beat them out if it ever came time that their shared enemies were destroyed and time to operation Barbarossa someone.

Times have been really good for most of them these last 50 or so years, through no effort of their own, and they refuse to believe that sticking their fingers in their ears will not keep the party going.

There are people in France who will do what is necessary and the body count will be awesome.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 07, 2017 6:26 PM  

MendoScot
To finish off this digression into austral history, a brief anecdote from the 2003 Argentine elections - which also went to ballotage between the known corrupt former president Carlos Menem, and a little known Patagonian senator by the name of Nestor Kirchner.

Both of them following the concrete-lined footsteps of Juan Peron.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales May 07, 2017 6:37 PM  

@44

Would it really be that bad where a high body count would be necessary and preferable to just kicking them out somewhere else and letting them be someone else's problem?

Also, by that, do you mean there are people who would take out both gays/gay lovers and musselmen?

Blogger Some Dude May 07, 2017 6:45 PM  

Actually its even simpler. Gentile whites against jews.

It was always tribal. Always will be. You just have to figure out that ideologies have slaves, not followers. Abstractions don't matter. Nobody fought for a symbol. THey fight for tribe. Thats how they got Israel. Thats how we get nation states.

The End.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 07, 2017 6:48 PM  

Charles Martel wrote:La France est morte--La France est morte. It will soon be nothing more than a mulatto hellhole.
La France est en train de mourir, vive la France Ancienne!

Blogger Some Dude May 07, 2017 6:51 PM  

"Scary to Think how much farther they would have gotten had they bided their time and simply governed well."

But then, they wouldn't be globalists, would they?

Hahah. Yes. The rage against whites in their media/academia is strongly indicative of something not very rational. Its seems tribal or instinctive animus. Its not even logical to replace whites with magic negroes and muslims in the long run unless they have a Latin America type vision of crushing inequality.

My bet, is that its gamma male psychology writ large, combined with a dose of psychopathy.

Anonymous henri May 07, 2017 6:59 PM  

Well there were lessons learned from the Trump win... it will be increasingly hard for right wing nationalists to win elections because of Trumps win. Trump won because his supporters level of apathy was less than Hillary... now he is energizing the dem and bringing in new dem voters... demographics are still in play...

Blogger Some Dude May 07, 2017 6:59 PM  

16

You are intellectually disabled. Elites who have high empathy and are nice people treat their people in turn. Eg. Scandanavia. What you and our host, and many commenters don't get because you're wedded to abstractions is that the optimum economic policy is Scandanavia.

Most Scandanavians are far richer than Americans as they have no leverage, much less debt, no contigent liabilites like healthcare and 3rd level pozzification certifcate shopping committments and a jewsih financial industry that has privatised their pension after gambling it.

You don't get that Israel has neoliberal policies because its elites are assholes even to their own kind.

The reason the West is rich is not IQ, but empathy. High Trust. And that in turn is actually more efficient because its allows for risk pooling and channelling resources to logjams - people with high potential but not social capital a la Bordieu. You can't figure that out even though all you need to do is look at a time series of real median income growth post Reagan/Thatcher. You don't want to work it out. You are retarded.

The End.

Blogger Some Dude May 07, 2017 7:03 PM  

Le Pen is the optimum - populist economics + populist social policy. e.g 1950s-1980s 'Fordist Compromise' in the West.

Thats the future of the alt right. The regression to the autistic divide and conquer economics created the trust fund baby idiot class for the jews to take over in the first place. The state is a tool. Its not a leviathan. It depends on who controls the tool - nice high empathy elites or psychopathic high IQ barbarians. Thats the only difference that matters, not the mechanical process of it.

Anonymous Eric the Red May 07, 2017 7:09 PM  

Macron's first act will be to turn the Eiffel Tower into a minaret for mohammedan calls to prayer, in a bold move to express solidarity with mohammedan immigrants.

Anonymous Andrew Anglin May 07, 2017 7:13 PM  

never mind Macron, who won't be around long in any case. With the defeat of Jew-stooge Le Pen, at least French Nationalists are spared the buyer's remorse now affecting our White Trumpaholics...'cept, of course, VD. What's it up to now Vox? 55-dimensional underwater chess on planet Mongo?

Anonymous Crew May 07, 2017 7:13 PM  

What you and our host, and many commenters don't get because you're wedded to abstractions is that the optimum economic policy is Scandanavia.

Sweden is fucked, in more ways that one! Your trolling is funny, however.

Anonymous Ages May 07, 2017 7:16 PM  

"Les Cucks"

Do you hear the Frenchies sing,
sucking the c--ks of Arab men?
It is the dirging of a people
who will ne'er be free again.

When the star and crescent moon
are waving in France's conquered sky,
brown men will laugh and cheer
as the last of the dhimmis die.

Anonymous Ages May 07, 2017 7:18 PM  

At this point France is only worthy of ridicule. The clarity of the future could not be more stark, and the status quo won in a landslide.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales May 07, 2017 7:28 PM  

@52

Yeah... Mr. President managed to get the main string puller of North Korea, China, to actually turn on them in an unprecedented geopolitical chess move and China is making every overture to indicate that, at the very least, they'll stand down and let Uncle Sam take out the North Korea problem once and for all, and since China is really the only reason that hasn't been done yet... yeah.

You, however, are like me, and don't know your knights from your pawns, or even, like the LGBT gender spectrum crowd, your kings from your queens.

Kindly, fuck off, troll.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales May 07, 2017 7:33 PM  

@55

Hey, while I like that rendition of that part of that song from Les Miserables, we elected a guy who got as close to sucking off an arab as any president before or since ever had, so, if we can come back from that, maybe those snooty frenchmen can come back with someone whose more Charles Martel and less Napoleon or Hitler.

Anonymous map May 07, 2017 8:05 PM  

This is good.

The French decided to vote for Civil War.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 07, 2017 8:16 PM  

I was reading about the French Revolution a while back, and noted some dates. The Estates-General, an attempt to find peaceful compromise and address grievances, was called in May of 1789. By July the Bastille was stormed. The king was arrested in 1791, and by 1792 people were being murdered on simple suspicion of being on the wrong side. The king was executed in January of 1793, and the Reign of Terror was well under way.

When things start happening, they can happen fast.

Blogger newanubis May 07, 2017 8:18 PM  

Interesting that the very vehicle (internet) by which the final nail in the control coffin does everything the malevolent builders and disseminators planned it to do- with one overlooked addition: Exposure to other ideas.
Sure it can track your location, know every associate and contact, read everything youve ever qritten online, and make a psych profile of you in 5 minutes more accurate than your autobiography.

While it is certainly a high price to pay for 'illumination' it is inferior in power by a country mile.

Imagine for a moment if the same safeguards of approved information as represented on every newspaper, radio station, movie and television set were similarly applied to 'net.

Blogger Charles Martel May 07, 2017 8:27 PM  

@54 "Les Cucks"

Apt.

Anonymous Grave Digger May 07, 2017 8:57 PM  

"Even the media recognizes that there has been a massive shift in the political divide in Europe, as in the USA, from Classical Liberal vs Socialist to Nationalist vs Globalist."

Immigration is not the cause of the shift. It is only the scapegoat. It's always the economy and anyone trying to link current global or American economic woes to immigration is a nationalist first and an observer second.

Anonymous Grave Digger May 07, 2017 9:02 PM  

"Actually its even simpler. Gentile whites against jews."

This doesn't explain Trump who, with the massive economic giveaway to the wealthy he's calling healthcare reform, just confirmed he's not a populist, not a nationalist, not a promise keeper and is out for himself....like all Globalists.

And what comes next if he can manage it is even more tax relief for the very wealthy. How populist of our president. How very nationalist.

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 07, 2017 9:06 PM  

If you think for one second that a Muslim invasion of a France that is suddenly 30% nationalist with very little pushing is going to end well for the Moor, well...you are crazy.

Anonymous Marvin Boggs May 07, 2017 9:12 PM  

Am I wrong in seeing Macron similarities between Hindenburg?

Please note that I'm not equating Le Pen with Adolph except in both having the ruling elite put forward a puppet candidate to oppose them.

Anonymous Godfrey May 07, 2017 9:17 PM  

The crony wealth globalist bankers and their useful idiot minions - the zombie "left" - win this round.

Remember, this is a fight for survival. For our side it is literally win ore die. We have nothing to lose but our chains. The Globalists are merely fighting for crony wealth, power, and a Jeffrey Epstein lifestyle.

Blogger pnq8787 May 07, 2017 9:21 PM  

Surprise lockdown of all ports of entry to the country and then retribution squads to globalists on the list. But, first, make sure there is a strong nuclear deterrent keep the U.S. from getting any ideas.

Anonymous Crew May 07, 2017 9:21 PM  

@65: So when Le Pen grows a mustache we will know for sure.

Saw this at Infogalactic: https://infogalactic.com/info/File:OrwellBurmaPassport.jpg

George Orwell with a Hitler mustache.

Blogger Charles Martel May 07, 2017 9:40 PM  

@66 Godfrey wrote: "The crony wealth globalist bankers..."

Why not just "Jews"?

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales May 07, 2017 10:07 PM  

@63

Yes... a slightly better version that helps to ease the burden more of something Mr. President had no hand in from a Congress willfully unwilling to get anything better passed is suddenly 'ALL HIS FAULT! OH MUH GOD! MUH HOPEZ AND DREAMS ARE DED! AH! THE WORLD IS BURNING! JOO'S EVERYWHERE!" when the very same bill took two years to finally get passed and more time to actually implement.

Ya know, though I hate the French with every fiber of my being and was, in the back of my mind, hoped they opted for the more... extreme option of being continually bled out until they rebelled and killed everyone rather than expelling them... ya know what, I'm with Vox on this an other things. You're WAY too much into the culture of insta-mix gratification, and this is coming from a guy who even now desires nothing more than to play Hearts of Iron IV all day rather than work. Look buddy: things take time to dismantle, especially when you've got everyone everywhere gunning for you and even not, again, it took Obama, with all the support he had, TWO. YEARS. To get Obummercare passed.

So, in other words, things will be fine and the ball will continue to roll in our direction with Mr. President in charge, and the french are going to see a boom in guillotines soon enough and we may say Super Napoleo-Hitler go super saiyan on some commies and hadjies rather than just let them piss off to greener pastures peaceably.

Blogger Skyler the Weird May 07, 2017 10:21 PM  

I hear Frau Merkel is heading to Paris to dance like it's 1940.

Anonymous Millenium May 07, 2017 10:29 PM  

Nate, Josh or any other inbred Southron who reads VP, were any of you in New Orleans today to give a first hand account of the clusterfuck today? Supposedly some alt light heroes showed up and then sided with antifa and attacked the Confederate supporters guarding the statue.

Blogger ZhukovG May 07, 2017 10:42 PM  

@Millenium: First I've heard of it. Though 'Southern Heritage' is likely to be a weak spot where Alt-Lite are concerned.

Anonymous Grave Digger May 07, 2017 10:47 PM  

@70

"Yes... a slightly better version that helps to ease the burden more of something Mr. President had no hand in from a Congress willfully unwilling to get anything better passed.."

Trump pimped it big. It's Trumpcare! Just the way he wants it.

Anonymous Millenium May 07, 2017 11:53 PM  

@73

https://media.8ch.net/file_store/1476bbbc737d0e475d8abfa520efdacaa6572e41efbd3e7c785a6b9e587bf153.png


https://twitter.com/AltRight_Report/status/861355486708457473

Blogger ZhukovG May 08, 2017 1:11 AM  

Seems a tad fishy to me. Even if an Alt-Lite group doesn't particularly like Southerners, or even Alt-Reich types, that is a lot of trouble to go to. Particularly when they must know it will only embolden Antifa.

They may be agents provocateurs or Antifa infiltrators.

We should expect the enemy to expend significant effort trying to Tea Party the Alt-Lite or at least keep them from joining us on the Alt-Right. Even allies might become turncoats if the price is right.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl May 08, 2017 1:23 AM  

@76 ZhukovG

This is what I was thinking - attacking Southerners over a monument is much more an Antifa thing than an Alt-Light thing. Whatever the latter's flaws, they generally are against taking down or erasing Confederate history.

My money's on infiltrators.

As for France and the "demographics" - always distrust state numbers. They lie for psyops/black pill purposes. The US Census admits that they double-tap minorities for numbers then count them as separate statistics. For example, they will count black folks and Filipinos as "Hispanics" sometimes, but then count them also as black and Asian.

They also conflate percentage increase with percent overall. In France, there's been a 25% increase, for example, not 25% of the whole 18-30 demo. That would mean that France's total population is either 80 million (or thereabouts) or that 1/5 French are non-white. I don't doubt that there are more Muzzies than advertised, I suspect blackpilling involved when pro-immigrant, anti-nationalists say 25-40% of Nation is X.

Remember that these guys propagandize all the time and abuse numbers. Another recent example: CNN recently said a poll that showed 70% approval of Trump as "40% approval" because a the middle 30% weren't emphatic.

Never trust the EU numbers, dear fellows.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable May 08, 2017 1:40 AM  

I don't even know what's going on.

Anonymous Rien May 08, 2017 2:01 AM  

"Americans don't understand Europe"

Thanks for expressing this so clearly Vox.
You are 100% correct on this. I always say that if the american predictions about europe were even 10% correct, europe would have reverted to barbarism in, say, the 1980's.

When was the last time a major US media outlet did not say "The EU is doomed because of ...."?

Europe gave birth to the US. And the US seems to insist on a playing the role of a belligerent teenager. But never fear, we love america regardless ;-)

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl May 08, 2017 2:10 AM  

@79

Many of us in America love Europe too.

Sometimes Europe doesn't get Americans either, but hey, it happens :)

Elections aside though - sock in sandals. Stop blaming us Yanks for that - Russians are the ones who do it!

Anonymous JAG May 08, 2017 2:39 AM  

Rien wrote:

You are 100% correct on this. I always say that if the american predictions about europe were even 10% correct, europe would have reverted to barbarism in, say, the 1980's.



I'd say Europe is already reverted to barbarism by importing it, or have you not noticed the rape gangs in many major European cities like Malmo? How about the pedophile gangs in Britain that your elites have attempted to hdie from the public? Maybe you've noticed truckers being accosted nonstop in France? Perhaps you've taken time to learn about the various muslim terrorism by "lone wolves" shouting "Allahu Akbar?"

The prediction was just a couple of decades off from what I see. Not that we're much better off here, but at least we still have the 2nd amendment when the SHTF, what do you have?

History repeats itself. You even, in Roman fashion, invited the barbarians in the gates yourselves.

Anonymous rien May 08, 2017 2:58 AM  

@80: I do not believe that anyone can truly understand a culture in which he was not raised.

So no, I do not expect that europeans will get the US any better than the reverse.

I lived in germany for more than 20 years, and the dutch and german culture are pretty similar. Still I do not claim to understand the german culture. (I am dutch btw)

Heck, it is even difficult to understand other generations in your own country!

Anonymous rien May 08, 2017 3:04 AM  

@81, JAG: "we still have the 2nd amendment"

I admit I am jealous of that!
Had I known in the 80's what I know now, I would have emigrated to the US back then... but that is water under the bridge now.

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Blogger SteelPalm May 08, 2017 5:22 AM  

Being born in Moscow, I really enjoyed the part of the Darkstream where Vox says,

"If you're an American, then shut the fuck up about Europe. You don't understand anything about it."

I've been typing variations of the same in many conversations during the last two weeks. Europe is not one unified, generic white race, but almost 50 distinctly different races that often hate and have been waging war with one another for over 1500 years.

Generically white Americans have a hard time grasping that.

Or that France, with its Europe-leading 7-9% Muslims, might not be as far gone as the US, with its 15% Hispanics, 13% blacks, 6% Asians, etc.

Blogger Vikki Wilson May 08, 2017 5:52 AM  

seeingsights wrote:There is a another election which some folks seem to have forgotten. There's going to be an election in about a month in the UK where the conventional wisdom is that the Conservatives will increase their lead in Parliament. Such an election result will give the Brexiteers a stronger hand against the EU.

Theresa May is the very soul of expediency: a weak vessel for Brexit

Blogger SteelPalm May 08, 2017 5:54 AM  

Theresa May is an unabashed globalist and jihadi apologist.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/26/britains-theresa-may-in-u-s-uses-daesh-instead-of-islamic-state-proclaims-belief-in-liberty-despite-expanding-uk-surveillance-state/

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/03/23/theresa-may-islamist-westminster-attack/

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales May 08, 2017 6:38 AM  

@85

Not being a slavic dog, my favorite part was where he said the inverse is true for you ugly, World War starting Europeons. ;)

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 08, 2017 7:06 AM  

If you haven't already, you might want to read Joseph Finder's "Red Carpet" (out of print, because the late (((Armand Hammer))) managed to Shut It Down, but available used) or Antony C. Sutton's "Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development."

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Blogger Vikki Wilson May 08, 2017 7:50 AM  

Millenium wrote:

Wow. That sounds like there's a possibility that Antifa engaged contractors. Didn't they propose this online.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl May 08, 2017 8:23 AM  

@82

True enough. I remember hearing from a buddy when I lived overseas that "You don't realize how American you are until you've lived in another country."

And I heard the same sentiment from Germans and Russians too. (Who, interestingly enough, really liked going out and shooting. It was the Midwest, after all...)

There's a lot of commonalities, but a lot of differences. Which is good :)

Except when I try to warn Yanks about gypsies. They don't believe me, but it's so true...

Blogger Vikki Wilson May 08, 2017 8:37 AM  


87.  SteelPalm wrote: Theresa May is an unabashed globalist and jihadi apologist.


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/26/britains-theresa-may-in-u-s-uses-daesh-instead-of-islamic-state-proclaims-belief-in-liberty-despite-expanding-uk-surveillance-state/

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/03/23/theresa-may-islamist-westminster-attack/

Alright alright. She terrifies me. I couldn’t believe it when the leadership fell into her waiting jaws.

Blogger dfordoom May 08, 2017 8:47 AM  

@2. seeingsights

There's going to be an election in about a month in the UK where the conventional wisdom is that the Conservatives will increase their lead in Parliament. Such an election result will give the Brexiteers a stronger hand against the EU.

Maybe. Possibly. Hopefully. But the Tories are divided. That's the most interesting thing about Britain - it's the only country in which we've seen a real split appear in the ranks of the elites. Most of the British elites are pro-EU but there are some who are anti-EU. That's one of the factors responsible for the Brexit vote - the elite was not entirely united against Brexit.

In France on the other hand the elites are absolutely united, which is why they were able to crush Le Pen with contemptuous ease. The German elites are equally united which is why Merkel will be re-elected very very easily.

The split in the British elites is fascinating and presumably has its roots in the mists of British history. The EU does bear an unpleasant resemblance to Napoleon's Continental System, and it does seem more and more like the Fourth Reich. To Europeans of course the totalitarian nature of the EU is a feature rather than a bug. They like being told what to do. The British elites like telling ordinary Britons what to do but they don't like being told what to do themselves by the French or the Germans.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 08, 2017 10:07 AM  

@59 I was reading about the French Revolution a while back, and noted some dates. The Estates-General, an attempt to find peaceful compromise and address grievances, was called in May of 1789. By July the Bastille was stormed. The king was arrested in 1791, and by 1792 people were being murdered on simple suspicion of being on the wrong side. The king was executed in January of 1793, and the Reign of Terror was well under way.

When things start happening, they can happen fast.


Both the American and French Revolutions came after very protracted bear markets in stocks (and thus social mood.) For this reason, I still wonder how far off are the real fireworks discussed on this blog. Was the fuse lit 50 years ago, the entire bull market from 1982 to now just a debt-fueled illusion, and we're one final, major financial catastrophe from "Boom?!"

Was the fuse lit at the top in 2000, the last 17 years based entirely on monetary debasement, and we're only 17 years into what will be a much longer process? Or are we in the final blow-off process toward the top, and we the real SHTF will occur 30-70 years from now, after my ashes fertilize a flower garden?

So many questions, plenty of speculation, no certainties.

This is why historical parallels are so challenging. The largest prior social-mood/credit/debt/asset manias lasted but a couple years.

This one is at least 22 years into the absurd mania phase, dwarfing all prior experiences in the last 300+ years.

Anonymous glosoli May 08, 2017 11:05 AM  

@95,

'Maybe. Possibly. Hopefully. But the Tories are divided. That's the most interesting thing about Britain - it's the only country in which we've seen a real split appear in the ranks of the elites. Most of the British elites are pro-EU but there are some who are anti-EU. That's one of the factors responsible for the Brexit vote - the elite was not entirely united against Brexit.'

The only reason there was a Brexit referendum was because Farage/UKIP was starting to gain ground in the elections, and so the Tories were forced to capitulate to the groundswell of opinion from British men and women of the shires. Nothing to thank any of the *elite* for at all. I assume you don't count our MPs as elite, heh, that would be funny.

I'll believe Brexit when I see it happen, I think this election is an attempt to unravel things, PM May is a schemer.

Blogger James Dixon May 08, 2017 1:24 PM  

> Nationalists are spared the buyer's remorse now affecting our White Trumpaholics...

The alternative was Hillary. What remorse?

Blogger Some Dude May 08, 2017 1:42 PM  

Much much less fucked than america. And because of open borders, not economics.

Blogger dfordoom May 08, 2017 8:22 PM  

@98. glosoli

I'll believe Brexit when I see it happen, I think this election is an attempt to unravel things, PM May is a schemer.

I'm sceptical as to Brexit actually happening as well.

May is totally untrustworthy but then she's a Tory. All Tories are scum.

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