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Monday, May 29, 2017

Darkstream: a place for pagans

I wanted to give some encouragement to the pagans in tonight's Darkstream. Just because Christianity is necessary for the West doesn't mean there is no place for them in defending it.

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Blogger Phillip George May 29, 2017 8:28 PM  

When Moses left Egypt, he left with a mixed multitude of non Jews who just happened to know that they were on the Right Side of history.

Father's house has many mansions. Enough for all those who merely gave Alt Right a glass of water/ a shot of Vodka/ a full clip/ and disclosed the last known whereabouts of 'conservatives'. ie. the second coming is not like the first. Gird up thy loins.

Anonymous Pepe's Top May 29, 2017 8:29 PM  

If you want Christianity to be a part of the future West you're gonna have to figure out how to take the nonsense, pseudo science and fairy tales out of it.

Blogger VD May 29, 2017 8:30 PM  

If you want Christianity to be a part of the future West you're gonna have to figure out how to take the nonsense, pseudo science and fairy tales out of it.

If you want to have any relevance as the Alt-Right grows, you're going to have to learn that Christians massively outnumber pagans, even in Europe.

Blogger SteelPalm May 29, 2017 8:39 PM  

Question for Vox- What do you see as the key to a Christian re-awakening for the West? A new denomination of churches that teach the genuine lessons of the Bible and Jesus Christ?

Taking back existing churches from their SJW and Churchian overlords?

Anonymous VFM #6306 May 29, 2017 8:44 PM  

The revival of the West will ignite with 12.

Or fewer.

Blogger Bellguard May 29, 2017 8:44 PM  

Perhaps it's only my experience with them personally, but all that I have seen of paganism fills me with complete and utter disdain for them.

Blogger Phillip George May 29, 2017 8:45 PM  

on the edge of this but, the Rule of Law took a massive hit when the death penalty was abolished at the Federal Level. When a mass murderer or non uniformed enemy combatant can be "housed clothed fed accommodated" something changed. Government is aiding and abetting the enemy. This "house" divided must change - because such a house is unsustainable. It will fall one way or another.

Anonymous Wyrd May 29, 2017 8:47 PM  

We colored.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 29, 2017 8:52 PM  

Question for Vox- What do you see as the key to a Christian re-awakening for the West?

People like you swallowing your pride and bending the knee to Jesus Christ.

Blogger rumpole5 May 29, 2017 9:07 PM  

Re: "key to a Christian re-awakening for the West?"

The key is Roman Catholic Church. It is the critical mass around which all Christendom swirls. If you are a Protestant you should be on your knees praying for the spiritual health of those papists every day. Before you get up also throw in a prayer that we all live to see Hagia Sophia rededicated as an Eastern Orthodox sanctuary as well.

Blogger Wolfman at Large May 29, 2017 9:28 PM  

How the AltRight Ends: Fifty years from now when the Last Kebab has been removed and the Crusader Battalions have retaken the Holy City of Constantinople the Knights of the Cross shall spend throughout the great continent of Europe and begin rebuilding the shattered cities of their forefathers.
Meanwhile the great mass of Pagans shall gather one midsummer night and after drinking a great amount of mead process to strip naked, paint themselves blue and run screaming off into the forests of Finland to form thousands of new heavy metal bands. Thus shall White Culture be fully restored.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky May 29, 2017 9:37 PM  

From experience living in a formerly American town, the life of the churches grows as the community​ becomes more Balkanized.

Things like pubs, bowling alleys, civic clubs, scouting, public school athletics and so forth that were centers of community focus, they all wither sometimes to oblivion.

The church is what you got left. It's where you still go to find fellow Americans. It's the first and last, again, this time as a bastion of your people's civilization.

I predict this is the driver some above were asking about.

Anonymous Stickwick May 29, 2017 9:48 PM  

Josh: People like you swallowing your pride and bending the knee to Jesus Christ.

That's terrible persuasion. You're confusing the result with the means.

We Christians desperately need to learn effective persuasion techniques instead of sperging out on atheists and pagans.

What it's going to take to re-awaken Westerners to Christianity is doing exactly what Vox is doing: pacing and leading and being strong examples of unapologetic Christians.

Anonymous VFM#1819 May 29, 2017 10:00 PM  

As I explained to my formerly (nominally) Christian buddy, it doesn't really matter what you believe at this point. Get to church, marry a believer, and have as many white babies as possible. Because the choice isn't between being "Christian" or being Athiest, the choice is between being a Muslim or being dead.

Anonymous Rikko May 29, 2017 10:05 PM  

We already live in a pagan society and are suffering its fruits. The only way to restore that which was lost is on recognozing what it was that defined our culture... There is a void in the spirit of our age which only the cross can fill.

The alt right needs Christians - it does not necessarily need pagans (despite all of their bluster).

Blogger Peter Jackson May 29, 2017 10:11 PM  

I think those who wish to preserve Western civilization should invent a new "religion" rather than clinging to some romanticized version of Christianity from the past. I'm sorry, but history doesn't repeat itself.

It's like if your second marriage fails, thinking it's a good idea to re-marry your first wife. Christianity has too much baggage associated with it, and it provides too many hanging curve balls for the New Atheists.

As for evil, it's merely bad people with bad ideas. ISIS is evil because they have bad ideas. And the solution is not attacking their twisted delusion with a less bad delusion.

Many Christians would turn the other cheek at ISIS. Myself, as an atheist, recognizes that all of us, as individuals, are merely survival machines built by our genes to propagate themselves. So I have no problem with turning the entire middle east into a sheet of glass while we have the means. They're all going to die anyway.

Blogger Matthew May 29, 2017 10:20 PM  

Pepe's Top wrote:If you want Christianity to be a part of the future West you're gonna have to figure out how to take the nonsense, pseudo science and fairy tales out of it.


Obvious, we've removed the troll bans. It's okay for you to let your freak flag fly now.

Blogger Matthew May 29, 2017 10:21 PM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) wrote:Question for Vox- What do you see as the key to a Christian re-awakening for the West?

People like you swallowing your pride and bending the knee to Jesus Christ.


Naw, he's for the lake of fire.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 29, 2017 10:33 PM  

That's terrible persuasion.

If he was trying to persuade, then yes, total fail. If he was trying to draw attention to the inappropriateness of a Jew asking, "How can we help these Christians get their act together," it was nicely done. I know that's not what friend SteelPalm meant by it, but that's where it always seems to end up.

Also, I laughed, so there's that. Josh with the flying elbow off the top rope!

Blogger Phillip George May 29, 2017 10:57 PM  

vox, I don't say this with even the slightest whiff irony/ condescension, but it occurred to me the other night for the first time [in all seriousness] that the real miracle of Pentecost was that
120 people were actually together in one place praying, "thy kingdom come thy will be done". Praying it but not knowing what was to follow.

times are certainly changing. Time isn't quite linear right now.

. "the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force ... suffers violence, and the violent take it ..

Jesus is not the cuckservative passivist. How to play the ball right now? He did the suffering servant. It isn't like this, this next round.
thy kingdom come? cheers

Anonymous Didas Kalos May 29, 2017 11:00 PM  

Puhleeze.

Blogger Deplorable May 29, 2017 11:03 PM  

I can confirm the concept of Pagan-with-emotional-baggage. I was very much anti-Christian, and stuck until I worked through my emotions and discovered a non-cucked church.
Can also confirm this of several other anti-Christian Pagans I knew. Taking a step back, you can see how some are troubled, while others in the group reinforce it with cynical half-truths. It's hard to swim or get out of the pool when "teachers" are holding your chains under water.

Blogger SteelPalm May 29, 2017 11:05 PM  

@19

If he was trying to persuade, then yes, total fail. If he was trying to draw attention to the inappropriateness of a Jew asking, "How can we help these Christians get their act together," it was nicely done. I know that's not what friend SteelPalm meant by it, but that's where it always seems to end up.

It was a sincere question for Vox, as I consider Christianity a net positive for humanity and the West. I'm curious how he would go about strengthening it.

If you think there was some secret, evil Jewish subtext to such a basic question, that's monomania on your part.

Anonymous Jack May 29, 2017 11:08 PM  

When I read Plato's Republic, I was struck by what a foreshadowing of the coming of Christ it is. Socrates critiques the Greek pagan religion because of the moral defects of the gods and goddesses. Then he goes on to develop his concept of The Good, which is an intuition of God. Indeed, the notion that most Christians have of a God that is wholly good comes from Plato and Aristotle. It's difficult to interpret the Old Testament in this way. Jacob Boehme said that the OT is God's wrath, which is just one aspect of Him.

I think a lot of people are drawn to various paganisms because they are repulsed by some of the Judaic elements in Christianity. The fact that these Judaic elements are misinterpreted and overplayed by churchianity doesn't help. But Christ is not only the fulfillment of the Jewish messianic tradition, but also the fulfillment of Greco-Roman philosophy, of Plato and Aristotle. That's why the Western classical tradition has always studied the Bible side by side with the Greeks and Romans. There have always been Classicists who favored the pagans over the Christians, like Bury (H.D.F. Kitto was another one, if memory serves, who went to so far as to request a Greek pagan funeral service for himself) but the larger Classical tradition has always recognized the creative tension that results from the dialogue between Athens and Jerusalem. Thus there is room for both pagans and Christians, but the overall tradition is Christian and not pagan, because Christianity superseded paganism and absorbed its best elements.

Anonymous Pepe's Top May 29, 2017 11:12 PM  

"If you want to have any relevance as the Alt-Right grows, you're going to have to learn that Christians massively outnumber pagans, even in Europe."

No doubt. It's just that 2/3 of them are don't really care what they are. As for relevance as Alt Right grows...hee, hee hee....It's funny because you believe it. Your most ardent alt right candidate ran in the last election. Mr. Duke didn't do that well...IN THE SOUTH. Hee Hee Hee!

Anonymous Pepe's Top May 29, 2017 11:17 PM  

"People like you swallowing your pride and bending the knee to Jesus Christ."

That kinda thing doesn't happen without the fella's knee being bent for him by force. And one thing we know about the the Alt Right is they don't do that...They write blog posts and comment on them.


"Obvious, we've removed the troll bans. It's okay for you to let your freak flag fly now."

Said the guy who sympathizes with those who believe a man died and returned to the dead. Talk about Freak Flag!

Anonymous JAG May 29, 2017 11:23 PM  

Pepe's Top wrote:"If you want to have any relevance as the Alt-Right grows, you're going to have to learn that Christians massively outnumber pagans, even in Europe."

No doubt. It's just that 2/3 of them are don't really care what they are. As for relevance as Alt Right grows...hee, hee hee....It's funny because you believe it. Your most ardent alt right candidate ran in the last election. Mr. Duke didn't do that well...IN THE SOUTH. Hee Hee Hee!


Yeah, it's not like we put Trump in office, or anything. Hee hee *cough* hee!

Blogger SemiSpook37 May 29, 2017 11:28 PM  

Reconciling the SSPX and expanding the influence of the other canonical traditional orders is the key to the Church's restoration. Just yesterday, the Archdiocese of Baltimore announced that the FSSP will be taking over St. Alphonsus in the city after the previous pastor recently fell ill and unable to continue in his duties (granted, the man is 95, and had been running the TLM site there for almost 25 years).

Such a change, especially in the screwed up Premier See in the USA, is not insignificant. Especially ten years on after the issuance of Summorum Pontificum. We can't expect to restore Catholicism without being allowed to be Catholic, after all.

I just pray the biological solution hits the adherents of the "Spirit" crowd sooner rather than later. There's been too much damage already.

Anonymous Pepe's Top May 29, 2017 11:29 PM  

"Yeah, it's not like we put Trump in office, or anything. Hee hee *cough* hee!"

LOL Trump...LOL....LOL...Alt Right?.....LOL...Awesome.

Blogger DeploraBard May 29, 2017 11:30 PM  

"Said the guy who sympathizes with those who believe a man died and returned to the dead. Talk about Freak Flag!"
26) I assume you meant returned to life? Or, are you agreeing he returned to preach life to the dead?

Blogger SirHamster May 29, 2017 11:37 PM  

SteelPalm wrote:It was a sincere question for Vox, as I consider Christianity a net positive for humanity and the West. I'm curious how he would go about strengthening it.

You're only curious about how to change the course of human history?

As Josh said, it's to bend the knee to Christ. If you're only interested in free-riding off everyone else doing so, have you considered what God might say or do about that?

Blogger DeploraBard May 29, 2017 11:41 PM  

"That kinda thing doesn't happen without the fella's knee being bent for him by force."

That is one dimensional thinking. It is much more effective when a man bows his knee voluntarily. It is just difficult for most men because it is contrary to our nature. It is not so difficult once you realize he alone is worthy. Every knee will bow and every tongue confess he is lord sooner or later, and it will never be by force. Once his glory is manifest, you will fall on your face, not your knees, and he won't have a boot on your neck. Sadly, it will be too late to feal allegiance.

Anonymous Pepe's Top May 29, 2017 11:42 PM  

"As Josh said, it's to bend the knee to Christ. If you're only interested in free-riding off everyone else doing so, have you considered what God might say or do about that?"

The best thing about Christianity is that it cherry pickable, while the rest of the derivative slop can be tossed to the side.

Anonymous Pepe's Top May 29, 2017 11:45 PM  

"That is one dimensional thinking. It is much more effective when a man bows his knee voluntarily. It is just difficult for most men because it is contrary to our nature."

Not to mention reason and self respect.

"Once his glory is manifest, you will fall on your face, not your knees, and he won't have a boot on your neck. Sadly, it will be too late to feal allegiance."

And will there be horses with wings????? Will Buffalo Wings still be available?

Blogger BunE22 May 29, 2017 11:50 PM  

People die and are brought back to life quite frequently. Are they freaks?

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Anonymous Pepe's Top May 29, 2017 11:52 PM  

"People die and are brought back to life quite frequently. Are they freaks?"

No....because they don't claim to be gods.

Anonymous Roger May 29, 2017 11:52 PM  

I think Christianity's day is done. It always contained the seeds of destruction in its universalism and, in Nietzschean terms, ideology of ressentiment. Charles Martel was not a product of Christianity, he was a warrior not far removed from the pagan past, and that martial Aryan spirit gradually disappeared in the Middle Ages.

Blogger DeploraBard May 29, 2017 11:52 PM  

34) There may be an interstellar space Pegasus. And yes, there will be a tree that serves 12 types of Buffalo wings. Be sure not to miss it.

Blogger Listener May 29, 2017 11:53 PM  

Stephen McNallen and Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya are two people that would be worth talking to on this subject. I think a debate would be worthless as it would convince almost no one, but a reasonable discussion may reveal what the real issues actually are and what are the strongest disagreements. Once a certain level of understanding is reached then perhaps an 'alliance' of some sort can take place. Right now I think there is still far too much misunderstanding on both sides.

Blogger BunE22 May 29, 2017 11:55 PM  

Many claim to have had experiences during their death that has changed their lives afterward. Some say they spoke with their dearly departed, or Jesus, or God. Only they are freaks?

Anonymous Mr. Rational May 29, 2017 11:57 PM  

VD wrote:If you want Christianity to be a part of the future West you're gonna have to figure out how to take the nonsense, pseudo science and fairy tales out of it.

If you want to have any relevance as the Alt-Right grows, you're going to have to learn that Christians massively outnumber pagans, even in Europe.

Now who was it who said that truth was not a matter of consensus, but of facts?

You're going to have tons of people looking away from Christianity (to paganism, to humanism, or to whatever) because Christian dogma has been proven wrong over and over again on demonstrable facts.  If the Christian god is "The Supreme Creator", dogma should have been RIGHT every time.  You're not going to heal this with assertion of authority, because that has been lost; it can only be done by having the humility to accept the evidence of "creation" and correcting theology to be consistent with it.  The universe is the final authority on itself (including the humans within it).  Deal.

I wish there had been a church that had not made those errors, that I could have joined instead of giving it all up.  It would have been easier.  But that's water under the bridge.

IIUC, the Greeks and Romans made the same authoritarian mistake by taking Aristotle's writings as dogma (as badly as Objectivists are doing with Rand).  There's no way to unify the West against the forces of barbarism while trying to assert a different erroneous authority over it all.  The only way to win that game is not to play.

rumpole5 wrote:If you are a Protestant you should be on your knees praying for the spiritual health of those papists every day.
I'm an ex-Protestant and if I prayed I'd be praying for their awakening to the errors and treasons of the papacy, from centuries to one picosecond ago.

Before you get up also throw in a prayer that we all live to see Hagia Sophia rededicated as an Eastern Orthodox sanctuary as well.
This may surprise you... but I would very much like to see that.  Islam is the second-worst pox currently afflicting the West, behind the deficiencies and degeneracies of sub-Saharan Africans (or the self-inflicted injury of considering them human).

Blogger BunE22 May 30, 2017 12:00 AM  

Many claim to have had experiences during their death that has changed their lives afterward. Some say they spoke with their dearly departed, or Jesus, or God. Only they are freaks?

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Blogger Student in Blue May 30, 2017 12:04 AM  

The Alt-Right is sooooo inconsequential and powerless that... people feel like their best use of time is to specifically come to the website and spam the comments with gloating?

Do you like to incessantly tell your dog that you're superior to it, too? That doesn't sound like the actions of a confident person.

Anonymous Pepe's Top May 30, 2017 12:11 AM  

"Some say they spoke with their dearly departed, or Jesus, or God. Only they are freaks?"

No so much freaks as simply traumatized and deluded.

Anonymous Pepe's Top May 30, 2017 12:14 AM  

The Alt-Right is sooooo inconsequential and powerless that... people feel like their best use of time is to specifically come to the website and spam the comments with gloating?"

Ones time need not always be given over to seriousness. Sometimes petting the animals is fun.

Blogger DeploraBard May 30, 2017 12:19 AM  


Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. 6 The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.

7 All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and sea creatures are being tamed and have been tamed by mankind, 8 but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.

9 With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. 10 Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. 11 Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? 12 My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.

Blogger DeploraBard May 30, 2017 12:23 AM  

Bedtime. Good night all.

Anonymous Charlie Baud May 30, 2017 12:28 AM  

@16

"I think those who wish to preserve Western civilization should invent a new "religion" rather than clinging to some romanticized version of Christianity from the past. I'm sorry, but history doesn't repeat itself."

Interesting you accuse Christians of romanticism, considering how the rest of your post goes.

"It's like if your second marriage fails, thinking it's a good idea to re-marry your first wife. Christianity has too much baggage associated with it, and it provides too many hanging curve balls for the New Atheists."

Christianity only failed because people like you sought to undermine it in order to pursue your own uninhibited sexual mores. It was secularism, not Christianity, that allowed for this decline.

The only thing the new atheists have proven in their slanders against the faith is their own prolonged adolescence.

"As for evil, it's merely bad people with bad ideas. ISIS is evil because they have bad ideas. And the solution is not attacking their twisted delusion with a less bad delusion."

I do so love it when atheist claim their own arbitrary standards for objectivity. How exactly does one without any real standards define "bad?"

"Many Christians would turn the other cheek at ISIS. Myself, as an atheist, recognizes that all of us, as individuals, are merely survival machines built by our genes to propagate themselves. So I have no problem with turning the entire middle east into a sheet of glass while we have the means. They're all going to die anyway."

The reconquista was not a secular operation. The most Christian nations (Russia, Hungary, Poland) are the ones putting up a fight, while secular Germany, Sweden, and France are content to let the invaders do as they wish. Atheist have no survival instinct. The see culture as accidental, and have no loyalty to it. They'd rather just get their kick and masturbate in their basement, after all, they're all going to die anyway.

People like you love to talk, but you'll never deliver.

Anonymous johnc May 30, 2017 12:34 AM  

Visiting some of the alt-right forums out there I have to admit that there is a far stronger current in favor of paganism than Christianity. They want to go back to the old folk religions and pagan ways. Many will actually argue that Europe's height was 2,000 years ago and it's all been downhill since.

Part of this drive appears to be a desire for a "religion" that they can claim is "their own". (I.e., a religion for and by white people.) The other big hang-up is that they see Christianity as a "desert religion" made up by a Jew. And, of course, we must be against all things Jew.

They are on some pretty fundamentally shaky ground, which doesn't bode well for the movement as a whole inasmuch as these people are the thought leaders.

Blogger Shane Sullivan May 30, 2017 12:37 AM  

@38 And yet that loss of "martial Aryan spirit" didn't stop the Europeans from conquering practically the entire world.

Anonymous Charlie Baud May 30, 2017 12:37 AM  

@46

There sure are a lot of deluded neuroscientists, then.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/neuroscientist-sees-proof-heaven-week-long-coma/story?id=17555207

Anonymous Charlie Baud May 30, 2017 12:40 AM  

@42

Literal six day creation was never a dogma. I don't know how many times the people here are going to have to explain that to you.

Blogger Le Hoan May 30, 2017 12:41 AM  

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Anonymous Charlie Baud May 30, 2017 12:46 AM  

It's also worth remembering that for all the LARPing faggots like to talk about "muh pagan heritage", the Norse were more than happy to work with Islamic slave traders.

https://www.traditionalright.com/the-northmens-war-against-civilization/

Blogger dfordoom May 30, 2017 12:50 AM  

@50. Charlie Baud

Christianity only failed because people like you sought to undermine it in order to pursue your own uninhibited sexual mores. It was secularism, not Christianity, that allowed for this decline.

Christianity proved to be utterly incapable of resisting secularism. That must be counted as a failure.

Of course so far no religion has been able to stand against secularism. Islam intends to put up a fight. Over the remainder of this century we'll discover who's going to win that struggle.

Blogger John McGuirk May 30, 2017 12:52 AM  

As an long atheist I have zero problems with Christians (I dated and have been friends with many), and the overwhelmingly positive force it has been to the West. What I do have a problem with is other atheists and how they can discount the affect Christianity has had on the west and the world. Atheism is a very old school of thought, it has existed since at least the time of the Greeks and probably longer. If atheism had the winning argument it would have been dominant and formed the West. But it didn't, and I don't think it ever could have.

What I see from many of my atheistic peers is nihilism at best - at least nihilists are quiet. More often though they engage in finger pointing, shaming and intolerance of Christianity and to a lesser extent Judaism (but not of Islam oddly). They are gleeful in tearing down other people's faith even though they can't explain the universes existence any better.

Even worse, many of them, I think would be happier with religion in their lives as they are mostly replacing their Christianity with statism and collectivism. Their mentality is: government knows best, because they fund science. They will make great communists (assuming they aren't purged); their God is the government and the doctrine with sciencism. With priests like Lawrence Strauss, Neil Degrass Tyson, and Bill Nye how could anything go wrong? Just turn off the brain and let others tell you what to think and how to think. Lol

I assume that at some point in my life I was nearly as annoying. But I not only get along with Christians more, the cultural similarities making getting a long with them that much easier. Four or five years ago I came across the alt-right and the neo-reactionary movement and it cured me of my own personal nihilism especially in the political sense. I've actually never voted in my country because of this there simply didn't seem to be any point in participating in a system of pandering, not a single candidate even came close to how I think or felt. (mainstream conservatism, libertarian, nor anarchism appealed enough to me nor explained a coherent world view that I saw happening).

Years ago, back in my university days, anytime I tried to speak up to assert my beliefs and thoughts I was called everything. Racist, mysogistic, hateful, etc. So I learnt to keep quiet, don't rock the boat because I felt very much like I was the one in the wrong. This went on for so long that I actually started to buy into the lefts ideas. Until the alt-right woke me up that is, then I learnt I was right 20 years. (it also helps that now I have much better arguments, better analogies, and counter points).

I don't know enough true pagans to comment on them. But I've know enough Wiccans and western Buddhists to know that they offer nothing but feel good sentiments and when pushed to answer hard questions... Well they just follow the atheists in proclaiming the government know best.

Part One

Blogger John McGuirk May 30, 2017 12:53 AM  

I don't know enough true pagans to comment on them. But I've know enough Wiccans and western Buddhists to know that they offer nothing but feel good sentiments and when pushed to answer hard questions... Well they just follow the atheists in proclaiming the government know best.

I am disturbed by the number of Christians and Christian organizations that are unable, or unwilling to assert themselves. Or their history, though most don't seem to even know it (they just take it for granted the crusades were all bad, the inquisition was a genocide, and the West has done nothing good for the world) . They are content in being cultural doormats. When even I meet Christians now I'm quiet happy to engage with them and help to reverse some of the brainwashing and drivel they believe, and reassure them I'm not attacking their faith just how it is manifesting itself currently which has nothing to do with Christianity.

I worry about my atheist friends, they no longer debate me as it isn't fun for them if they don't win (I guess). Online I see a few atheists re-evaluate their beliefs and their antagonism, and I think this is great. But there are so few of them that it is like pissing in the wind.

Anyway, I consider myself an ally to all the uncucked Christians, and count them as brothers and sisters in arms, I don't see my disbelief I God as a hindrance to this. I consider myself a moral and intellectual atheist recovering from a 20 year long and deep bout of nihilism.



Part Two

Anonymous Charlie Baud May 30, 2017 12:55 AM  

"Christianity proved to be utterly incapable of resisting secularism. That must be counted as a failure."

Did it? Russia is on the rebound, with Hungary, Poland, and the rest of Eastern Europe close behind. America was never truly secular, and shows no signs of becoming so.

"Of course so far no religion has been able to stand against secularism."

Hinduism seems to be holding up remarkably well. Given how Atheism seems to be dying off, I wouldn't hold your breath.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2015/04/the-facts-atheism-is-dying-out.html

Blogger Student in Blue May 30, 2017 1:00 AM  

Ones time need not always be given over to seriousness. Sometimes petting the animals is fun.

So you're doing it for kicks, supposedly. Still isn't the action of a person confident in their own superiority though.

Blogger dfordoom May 30, 2017 1:04 AM  

@52. Shane Sullivan

And yet that loss of "martial Aryan spirit" didn't stop the Europeans from conquering practically the entire world.

That martial spirit lingered on for a long time. It was still present in the 17th and 18th centuries. It started to disappear in the 19th century. The First World War was the end of the road.

In recent times Europeans have been militarily successful against non-Europeans because the Europeans have had overwhelming material and technological superiority. Wimps with guns can defeat brave men with spears. In the 20th century Europeans have suffered defeats even with technological superiority.

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Blogger Chent May 30, 2017 1:13 AM  

OT: Vox, it's a pity you don't know Spanish. Alicia Rubio (an author that speaks against gender ideology in Spain) was victim of SJW attack and praises your book (SJWs always lie) multiple times in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct__C5pivCI

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 30, 2017 1:21 AM  

Western Civilization cannot be saved until Russia is consecrated.
c.f. Fatima

Blogger Shane Sullivan May 30, 2017 1:24 AM  

@57 Atheism seems to be common occurrence amongst elderly civilizations.

@62 I understand where you're coming from, but using a gun doesn't make one a wimp; after all, the nations of the world were quick to get their hands on the advanced weaponry of Europeans when they had the opportunity. There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity.

Blogger Tuatha May 30, 2017 1:34 AM  

All xtians deserve to be butchered and hung like livestock and their blood drained into the earth regardless of their denomination, age, sex or political affiliation.

Blogger yoghi.llama May 30, 2017 1:52 AM  

I'd like the Dharma to survive and flourish in the West, however long it takes. There's a fair chance it could compete and coexist peacefully with Christianity and secularism. No chance with Islam.

There's a good reason that the Rinpoches and Roshis chose to carry their faith to Britain, America, France, and Italy … not Pakistan, Morocco, Somalia or Albania.

But just because we think Christians are infinitely preferable to Muslims doesn't mean we want to "be saved". Take back the West, then segregate.

Anonymous Mr. Rational May 30, 2017 2:01 AM  

Pepe's Top wrote:Ones time need not always be given over to seriousness. Sometimes petting the animals is fun.
Or teasing them.  I troll a certain blog run by a dindu.  Much hilarity.

I used to tease a yellow labrador dog, too.  I'd pretend to throw the tennis ball, hide it in my waistband and show her empty hands.  Eventually I'd do something like roll it between her legs while she expected it to already be on the far side of me from her.  She LOVED it.

RIP, Molly.  If there's an afterlife for canines, may it have many chew-tugs and belly-rubs.  And much, much, MUCH suffering of butt-scratches.  Because butt-scratches are what labs hate; it's their personal hell.  Uh-huh.

Charlie Baud wrote:Atheist have no survival instinct. The see culture as accidental, and have no loyalty to it.
You are QUITE wrong.  Culture is downstream of biology, which is shaped by survival pressures of the environment.  HBD means biology and culture both vary.  None of this is anything like an accident.  Not one shred of crap like Pisslam has any place among Europeans.

@53  Why are you trusting the lying Marxist enemedia about ANYTHING?  IGNORE it.

Blogger Phillip George May 30, 2017 2:07 AM  

everyone say Ommmmmmmm evolution explains everything, ommmmmmmmm evolution explains everything.

Ohms, resistance is physical property that is not futility
Ohms, everything is physical property that is not futility, ohms, biology made me what I am,, ohms,,,, ohmsss

Blogger Resident Moron™ May 30, 2017 2:09 AM  

Whete are the French revolutionaries now, Mr Rational?

If we had a dollar for every time we've heard how Christianity is finished and the goddess of Teason has usurped its position ... well, we'd have a lot of dollars.

Your name always cracks me up, not because there's anything particularly funny about it in and of itself, but because the contrast with your actual thinking is so dramatic.

Blogger Resident Moron™ May 30, 2017 2:09 AM  

Reason, natch

Blogger weka May 30, 2017 2:10 AM  

@tuatha. Insults and threats ain't rhetoric. Funnily, when I posted explicit teaching on Islam on my personal blog the trolls came out and pooped....not knowing that the site is screwed down tight and I will only let such through after giving the comment a good Fisk.

It is that which the troll fears that they attack. The honest pagans have Augustine to bring them to faith.

But the trolls need to bend the knee to Christ, repentance, and rediscover what it is to be human

Blogger Phillip George May 30, 2017 2:10 AM  

Lets just call the existing challenges a bottleneck that will result in lots of exciting new diversity.
Biological diversity, you made us what we are.
A Muslim with an AK47 knock off from Pakistan is just a specimen exercising his or her right to Darwinian selection.

Anonymous Asatru Heathen May 30, 2017 2:15 AM  

I appreciate that I am going to be in the minority on this blog, but in all the years I have been following Vox I have consistently felt that his dedication to logic and reason rather falls apart when in comes to the subject of religion.

I wear my own biases in my username, of course. And I am comforted by Vox's recent softening in his stance towards non-christians. For many years 'pagan' was simply one of Vox's favorite perjoratives, and I felt quite strongly that there was no place for me and mine in the brave new world that Vox envisioned. This more concillatory tone is therefore comforting.

Vox tells us that we cannot look at a single individual or a single organisation and form an opinion of all Christianity based on that single individual organisation. This is clearly correct.

But if it is correct that we can look at blacks as a group, or arabs as a group, or muslims as a group, take note of their statistical behaviours and preferences, and make policy or take actions based on those behaviours and preferences, why is it not correct to do the same with christianity?

I know that Vox has expressed the view that many of these christian groups are not truly christian. Those groups would, of course, disagree. But the same argument is made regarding muslim suicide bombers. It all rather smacks of the 'no true scotsman' fallacy.

I am comfortable with the current, toothless version of christianity, and view a return to fundamentalist christianity with similar distaste to fundamentalist islam. I have simply known too many christians. I will freely admit that christianity has shaped western civilisation (for better and for worse) for centuries. But western civilisation existed before christianity, and, gods willing, will continue to exist after christianity.

Blogger Phillip George May 30, 2017 2:17 AM  

Mr Rational should particularly marvel at all those people who would kill him because they are exercising their Darwinian selection potentials.
Towel Head with the AK47 inherits the planet. Their tough single mindedness makes them the superspecies. Hurray for Darwin. The rational real world is inescapable.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 30, 2017 2:21 AM  

And it's...oh my it's Josh with the steel chair!!!

Anonymous Eric the Red May 30, 2017 2:24 AM  

Alt-right pagans are fine. The real question is, where in the Scriptures can be found the justification for a righteous defensive war? Both the left and the mohammedans have already declared it against us; where are the Bible passages that tell us to raise up our sword and become real Christian soldiers?

Blogger Phillip George May 30, 2017 2:27 AM  

Darwin or Religion. What other dichotomies could possibly exist?
Mr Rational in one corner and silly fundies in every other.
Physics explains your world. All wars, rumours or wars, social paradigms are just subsets of biology and physics.
This is our chance to celebrate a little bit of coming extinction because the fittest will survive. Is it the scientists with their poisons or the towel heads with their AK47s?
Celebrate. The rational ring has ropes, the playing field is determined by biology, the bell rung, round 19 in a winner takes all.
Look what extinction did for the dinosaurs. Mammals had their finest moment. Winners are grinners. Be a mammal. Step up.

Blogger wreckage May 30, 2017 2:47 AM  

"That martial spirit lingered on for a long time. It was still present in the 17th and 18th centuries. It started to disappear in the 19th century. The First World War was the end of the road.

In recent times Europeans have been militarily successful against non-Europeans because the Europeans have had overwhelming material and technological superiority. Wimps with guns can defeat brave men with spears. In the 20th century Europeans have suffered defeats even with technological superiority."

You do realize this timeline tracks pretty much exactly to the decline of Christianity, correlating to the contrary argument rather than your own?

As observed by others, paganism and atheism existed for thousands of years and never achieved as much as Christianity, or even Islam, have. And in the future, out beyond 2050, the global population will continue to be little more than a arm-wrestling match between Islam and Christianity.

There are only two sides in this war; one side has shown unreliably for its entire history and reliably for the last 200 years that it can tolerate nonconformists - the other will kill you, always has, always will; pagan, atheist or Jew; they are going to put you in the ground.

Stop playing the "moderates game" (see SJW's Always Lie). It will get you killed in the end.

Anonymous Rfvujm May 30, 2017 2:48 AM  

Helpful link from a comment a couple days ago

Http://www.returnofkings.com/122301/the-21-theses-of-alt-christianity

Blogger Phillip George May 30, 2017 3:02 AM  

Maybe AI made in the image of man represents the exciting new kid on the block Darwinian Laurel Wearer. When AI rules the universe, The Darwinian Everest shall be conquered. Nothing, in every direction but pure machine rationalism.

"Whom God would destroy He first makes mad".

This is not exactly a biblical quote but perhaps AI will adopt is as a moto in the exciting new world. If we cuck to AI now they might let us live on as their power supply system, like batteries in the Matrix.

Anonymous Greg May 30, 2017 3:05 AM  

"Question for Vox- What do you see as the key to a Christian re-awakening for the West? A new denomination of churches that teach the genuine lessons of the Bible and Jesus Christ?"

SSPX and/or Eastern Orthodox (ROCOR, etc).

Blogger Phillip George May 30, 2017 3:16 AM  

Vox, how about we send a peace mission to AI now. We could send Mr Rational as our ambassador with gifts like free code and batteries. We could sacrifice X Boxes to AI and pass between the pieces in a ritual covenant. If we are acceptable AI might spare us and build a hologram where we could reign till universal heat death.

Ohms, resistance is a non futile physical property, Ohms, resistance is a non futile physical property, Ohms, resistance is a non futile physical property,

Blogger Tuatha May 30, 2017 3:27 AM  

"bu' da trollz need ta benn' da knee ta jebuz repentanze an rediscober what it be to be hooman [amen bruddah]"

https://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f10/597039d1419967367-man-dies-after-multiple-stab-wounds-face-stabbed-death-mango-tree-04.jpg

Blogger Archella May 30, 2017 3:34 AM  

I think it is mistake to relate to Christ and God, as if they belonged in the past and there were no new revelations and mysteries forthcoming. As if the whole story were already told. I do not believe that to be the case, though there has been a long pause in the narrative. I want to quote something from the Silmarillion. "Now the Children of Iluvatar are Elves and Men, the Firstborn and the Followers. And amid all the splendours of the World, its vast halls and spaces, and its wheeling fires, Iluvatar chose a place for their habitation in the Deeps of Time and in the midst of the innumerable stars. And this habitation might seem a little thing to those who consider only the majesty of the Ainur, and not their terrible sharpness; as who should take the whole field of Arda for the foundation of a pillar and so raise it until the cone of its summit were more bitter than a needle; or who consider only the immeasurable vastness of the World, which still the Ainur are shaping, and not the minute precision to which they shape all things therein."

Anonymous rotekz May 30, 2017 4:05 AM  

I'd like to recommend a revelatory book that has shifted my religious outlook from that of a wavering atheist/agnostic to someone that sees the absolute necessity of true Christianity for the survival of the West.

It is a 1913 title by Arthur John Hubbard called 'The Fate of Empires: Being An Enquiry Into The Stability of Civilisations'.

https://www.amazon.com/Fate-Empires-Inquiry-Stability-Civilisation/dp/1331897068/

OpenID anonymos-coward May 30, 2017 4:14 AM  

Roger wrote:...and that martial Aryan spirit gradually disappeared in the Middle Ages.

Losing the 'Aryan spirit' is exactly what allowed Europeans to conquer the world.

Blogger Doom May 30, 2017 4:39 AM  

I go back and forth on that. Pagans are a true threat to Christianity. Then again, so is Christianity. The good thing about pagans is they really aren't as well organized as the left, and aren't actually all that accepted by it. I think atheism is more Satanic than pagan, or at the lower levels they are just diy debauchers, low level hellfire clubbers.

There could be a place, I suppose. Much as with alt-whites... who are well above alt-lites. There is that. I just don't trust pagans, not even my friends. I let them know it. Is it keep friends close, enemies closer, or just a mild deathwish which keeps me hanging with some of the folk I do. Funny thing is, they usually run away from me long before I run from them. *grins* Just on ideas, but there is more.

Pagans? Well... better than alt-lite and anything to the left of that, as long as they don't become moderates or aim their angst, if to a degree rightly (in their worldview), at Christians. Bleh.

Anonymous Magus May 30, 2017 4:52 AM  

"What it's going to take to re-awaken Westerners to Christianity is doing exactly what Vox is doing: pacing and leading and being strong examples of unapologetic Christians."

Yup. Atheist myself, never been particularly interested in Christian rhetoric. Vox's casual, determined, self-assured but non-preachy form of speech - "I'm not proselytising - I'm informing you" - has been one of the few times I've actually paid attention to someone talking about Christianity.

Reminds me of the Chaplin at my school, actually. He knew everything about history, geography and religion. I was a little punk atheist, just learning there was the term "atheist" to describe what I was, but I found myself always looking forward to classes he would teach. He'd teach us about the whole history of the Middle Eastern conflict from a theological, political and historical context. He wasn't all knowing, but he was incredibly well read. A truly scholastic Anglican.

His effect on me was profound enough that he made me consider being a Reverend myself, if it meant getting to live a life where I spent my time getting to be someone like him. But he never once tried to convert me or reason me towards faith - he simply lead by example.

It wasn't enough to win me over on its own, but if I ever do get converted, it's gonna be men like that who do it.

Anonymous Magus May 30, 2017 5:14 AM  

After writing that, I was curious as to whether state schools have Chaplains too.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10854624/Chaplains-at-inner-city-state-schools.html

Pretty positive news. And of course, the person who objects to this, who worries about these Chaplains having a missionary role at the schools of a nominally Christian country, is a Rabbi.

I'm not one of these people seeing Jews under my bed everywhere, but can these people please just fuck off?

Blogger Phillip George May 30, 2017 5:20 AM  

second the motion, all those in favour say, Aye.

Blogger Wild Ape May 30, 2017 6:42 AM  

Advice for Christians from a Heathen:

It was very difficult to part from Christianity because I was and still remain a believer, I'm just not a worshipper. I was in the military and traveled so I had to find a new church home every 3-4 years. I've seen some damn fine communities of good people and the real deal when it comes to Christianity. I've seen several of those same churches ripped apart by SJWs from top down and inside and out. One thing I have learned from being a Heathen is I've learned that big churches with big open doors are a bad idea. My Asatru folk does not recruit and we don't accept everybody who comes in. Smaller is better as far as we are concerned and you Christians would be wise to have faith in your God that those that are turned away by you will wend their way to where they need to be, IMO. We are a group of like minds and it makes all the difference. When one of us needs help we have a whole community show up and I've seen good church communities in my time do the same but they were small like minded communities.

My second bit of unsolicited advice for you Christians stems from another reason I left you. I've had to look for many church homes and I can tell you that fundamentalists were the most abusive people I've ever met. They took the love of God and beat it out of you. There are some in your ranks that get a real thrill in being abusive because they feel better and they get some sort of gleeful satisfaction of hammering you into line. When I was finally fed up with with Christianity I probably hated Christians for a good 5-6 years due to these two Christian types, the SJWs and the Holier-than-thou Nazis. My advice to you is get caught being Christ like in your dealings with non Christians. Your best tactic is to do something good and do something that is wholesome and fun without compromising your faith.

I want to relate this story that happened back in the day when I was a strong Christian. In a small suburban town the Christian leaders pitched money in together to get Darrell Scott, Christian father of Rachel Scott who was slain in the Columbine massacre. When the church leaders, Christians all, got together they wanted to open up with a prayer but began bickering and quibbling over who and how the Lord's Prayer should be said. It was the most discouraging circus act to witness. I say this because it relates to the Islamic invasion. Another reason I left Christianity was because of this crap. In the face of evil like the Columbine massacre or an Islamic invasion Christian leaders act like self righteous idiots who only God himself can trust to smite the enemy. I swear, monotheists, especially their leaders, have just got this king sized Mini-Me god complex. One thing I like about my fellow Heathens is that most are gun nuts and we've gone out target practicing or playing paintball. Y'all had better get serious about dealing with Islam. The Muslims will exterminate your ass if you don't get it together. We are lucky because the worst that can happen is not getting a Valkyrie ride to Valhalla. Hel isn't so bad for us, but y'all might go to Hell and burn for all eternity if you don't do things right. My advice is to start fighting Islam whenever and wherever you can and don't listen to your jacked up leaders. You need Crusaders now, not Mini Me virtue signalers. I realize, of course, that I am not lumping most of the people here into that group. The audience in the Evil Legion of Evil are Crusaders in my book.


Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 30, 2017 7:14 AM  

Advice for Christians from a Heathen:


No thanks

Blogger Cail Corishev May 30, 2017 7:48 AM  

If you think there was some secret, evil Jewish subtext to such a basic question, that's monomania on your part.

Not a bit. I took your question as entirely genuine and well-intentioned.

Blogger Student in Blue May 30, 2017 8:12 AM  

@78. Eric the Red
The real question is, where in the Scriptures can be found the justification for a righteous defensive war?

Where in Scriptures can be found the justification for rolling over and dying?

Blogger Chent May 30, 2017 8:12 AM  

OT (again): By the way, I don't see the Spanish translation of "SJWs always lie" anywhere. Is anything wrong?

Anonymous Avalanche May 30, 2017 8:20 AM  

@6 "Perhaps it's only my experience with them personally, but all that I have seen of paganism fills me with complete and utter disdain for them."

Perhaps it is only my experience with them, and with my own searching, but what I have seen of paganism is folks looking *seriously* and intentionally for SOMETHING to believe in!

Exposure to 'churchianity' -- and the pettiness of SO many "Christian" 'denominations and groups and their infighting and 'attempts to appeal' -- drove me screaming from the (northern Baptist) church I had returned to in my pre-teens. (I was raised as a very young kid in that church, till my dad, a real Bible-thumper when my mom married him, ceased believing and fell away.)

Exposure to ...yes... Marion Zimmer Bradley's Arthurian tale (which was brilliantly done -- but could easily be described as strongly anti-Christian), solidified for me my dislike for Christianity and its lying, deviousness, and success in the war demonizing honest pagan religions. I WANTED to have a home -- and began researching what there was of the pagan varieties to believe in. Surely Norse or Germanic belief systems would fit better than that nasty, petty, kill-them-all, jewish tribal mountain god with whom MY people had no real connection?!

The problem was and is: if I were to 'talk myself into' believing in Thor and Odin (or Zeus and Athena) -- how would that be any different from 'talking myself into' Jesus or the Spaghetti Monster (sauce be upon him). As much as I LIKED the idea of a non-Christian religion, those old-time religions were no more real to me than the Christian one.

Many young folk WANT a belief system, but between the inherently 'distasteful' parts of Christianity and the 24/7 ubiquitous propagandizing against it in the White West (thanks jews: NOT!); they (*I*) don't see a path to it. (I'm ALL FOR cultural Christianity in the White West; not-so-much for the pick-and-choose your tribal-god strictures.)

You believers find it (seemingly) easy to say: 'we need a Christian West, so we'll throw the women under the bus. Too bad for women, but that's what we want.' I want a West *based on* Christianity but without the waste of women's lives that follows on your "make babies for us or go die."

I don't know where (or if?) there is a middle ground where you are NOT wasting the lives of (a noticeable proportion of) half the population. Your religion -- based on both the jew's desert tribal mountain god -- AND the "enlightened" Greco-Roman systems that (apparently) moderated and modified the desert tribal crap -- won't fit a LOT of women.

Do you make of THEM slaves?! (And, thus, you'll differ from moslems just how?)

Y'all are writing about setting up a new/old Christian nation: Vox writes, that I 'will be one of the ones broken.' Yes, I will. No question. How many women -- how many of your daughters, wives, and mothers are you willing to 'break'? IS there no way between feminism and the destruction of the West and enslaving all women?

Anonymous Avalanche May 30, 2017 8:23 AM  

@9 "What do you see as the key to a Christian re-awakening for the West?
Nate: People like you swallowing your pride and bending the knee to Jesus Christ."

And must we also 'bend the knee' to you men who want to be running things? I had no problem whatsoever 'bending my knee' to my beloved husband -- because HE was worthy of me! Many men? NOT worth my submission. Now what?

Anonymous Jack May 30, 2017 8:28 AM  

@68

"There's a good reason that the Rinpoches and Roshis chose to carry their faith to Britain, America, France, and Italy … not Pakistan, Morocco, Somalia or Albania."

The reason is simple: money. And chicks. They saw the opportunity afforded by the West's spiritual vacuum and they took it. Which is why damn near every one of these Rinpoches and Roshis has some sort of scandal associated with him. The problem with all these eastern religions in the West is that the guru-disciple relationship is always given as authoritarian, in which the guru is to be seen as God incarnate, at least for the student. It ALWAYS leads to abuse of one sort or another.

Christianity avoids this, because in Christianity there is only one perfect incarnate being, and he is now in heaven. This isn't to say that Christianity has avoided scandals, but at least they don't have to backpedal after claiming to be perfect realized god-men. All are fallen, all are sinners. It's far more realistic, a far more accurate conception of how human beings actually are.

If Western people were still educated in the Classical tradition and had a familiarity with both Greco-Roman philosophy and the Christian theological tradition, they would not be nearly so enamored with the religions of the East.

A joke among Buddhists: How do Tibetans make money? They get some robes and a passport.

Anonymous Avalanche May 30, 2017 8:29 AM  

@12 "The church is what you got left. It's where you still go to find fellow Americans."

Well, if you discount all the foreign heathens they've 'missioned' to and brought back like trophies!! And the 'charity' they keep giving to illegals so the illegals can SURVIVE in a nation that does not want them!

Maybe, if y'all can clean out the churchians and return the Christian church into something modern White unbelievers might find acceptable, "we" can get onboard with that pillar of Vox's future. (Make no mistake; I absolutely agree that Vox is correct in his description of the three pillars; I'm struggling (a LOT) with how y'all intend to make it so!

How does your 'women go home and make babies' differ from 'women may not go out without full-body covering'? MUST you have a slave race? And must it be YOUR women?!

Anonymous Asatru Heathen May 30, 2017 8:30 AM  

@94

'No thanks'

Is this representative of the cultural christianity we non-christians are invited to support? If so, it seems to be nothing more than a variation of the left's 'shut up, she explained'.

And, I imagine, every bit as effective.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 30, 2017 8:33 AM  

I had no problem whatsoever 'bending my knee' to my beloved husband -- because HE was worthy of me! Many men? NOT worth my submission. Now what?

Feminism is a hell of a drug

Anonymous Avalanche May 30, 2017 8:37 AM  

@14 "Get to church, marry a believer, and have as many white babies as possible. Because the choice isn't between being "Christian" or being Athiest, the choice is between being a Muslim or being dead."

You DO realize that those 'babies' will not be any 'use' in the coming war against the muzzies for at least 14-15 YEARS?! Until then, they are an anchor. Do we even HAVE 14-15 years to 'grow' up the next generation of Christian soldiers?

Please realize: I'm NOT trying to discourage or disagree: I am pointing out real and true obstacles to your future Christian White West. If you do not recognize and PLAN FOR overcoming these obstacles, if y'all keep describing a future that 'leaves out' the women whom you want to lock up as breeders, then you are not adequately preparing for the coming war(s).

I read lots of 'make babies' -- not so much about how "we" will GET women to give up their lives and accept a farm-stall and breeding. And, if you do NOT address that (and satisfactorily too!), why would we listen? Or will you fight and kill us TOO for not bending the knee to *you*?!

Anonymous Avalanche May 30, 2017 8:41 AM  

@24 "I think a lot of people are drawn to various paganisms because they are repulsed by some of the Judaic elements in Christianity. The fact that these Judaic elements are misinterpreted and overplayed by churchianity doesn't help."

This! Oh this, This, THIS!!

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 30, 2017 8:46 AM  

Is this representative of the cultural christianity we non-christians are invited to support? If so, it seems to be nothing more than a variation of the left's 'shut up, she explained'.

How about this: you don't get to tell us how to run our church, and we don't get to tell you how to paint your asses blue and burn your wicker man baskets.

Anonymous Asatru Heathen May 30, 2017 8:50 AM  

'I had no problem whatsoever 'bending my knee' to my beloved husband -- because HE was worthy of me! Many men? NOT worth my submission. Now what?'

'Feminism is a hell of a drug'

One of the major issues with christianity is the 'one god, one way' tunnel vision that most adherants seem to have. You belive in a single, perfect god, who created man in accordance with a single, perfect plan. Deviation from that plan is at best a mistake, and more probably a sin, and an offense against god.

The polytheists have many gods, all of whom are divine. And as our gods walk different paths, so to do we.

Not all women must be wives and mothers. Freya is not Frigg.

Not all men must be warriors. Njord is not Odinn.

Pagans understand this. Most of us have grown up in the christian 'box', and have fought hard to escape it and find our true path. Ordering us back into the box is unlikely to entice us to support you.

Anonymous Asatru Heathen May 30, 2017 8:55 AM  

'How about this: you don't get to tell us how to run our church, and we don't get to tell you how to paint your asses blue and burn your wicker man baskets.'

I have followed this blog for years, and accepted Vox's anti-pagan rhetoric as the price of admission. I, and others of similar view, have said nothing.

But, as difficult as it may be for you to accept, once he has invited us pagans to support christianity in the coming cultural war, our views, concerns, and reservations about christianity are both relevant and a natural progression of the conversation he started.

Anonymous Jack May 30, 2017 8:58 AM  

@105

Read E. Michael Jones' The Catholic Church and the Jews.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 30, 2017 9:01 AM  

our views, concerns, and reservations about christianity are both relevant and a natural progression of the conversation he started.

No, they are not relevant. If you want to share your concerns about the church, repent and be baptised. Then you can share your very important feelings.

Anonymous Avalanche May 30, 2017 9:07 AM  

@50 "Christianity only failed because people like you sought to undermine it in order to pursue your own uninhibited sexual mores."

See? This is the sort of thing that makes me (and many disaffected/disbelieving) roll our eyes. Your accusation is NOT a reasoned consideration (and perhaps denial?) of the CRAP in Christianity -- it's: "YOU just want to have SEX!"

Forgive me for swearing but: JEEESUS!! Can you 'Christians' not find ANY other possible reason for someone choosing NON-Christianity than sex? Are you SO personally fixated on 'they're having too much/wrong sex'? (And, thus, you differ from moslems just how? At least THEY have found (well, pretended to find!) an "acceptable" -- to their religious leaders and peers -- way to 'go screw' a hooker and still be 'in good standing.' {disgusted} Well, and there's the tea-boy thing too....)

I was 13 and thought sex was icky when Christianity started demanding I believe conflicting ideas. (I rejected Christianity at 14. {shrug} Was it churchian? No idea, too long ago.) Many MANY people discard or reject -- or merely feel discomfort with -- Christianity while 100% supporting the sexual mores inherent therein. Are those the mores from the jew's tribal mountain god -- or the Greco-Roman underpinning of our civilization?) (And how do you account for the JEWS sexualizing everyone and everything in "our Christian nation"?!)

If you think accusing non-Christians (or *hope*-to-be Christians!) of falling away, or not coming to, because of SEX -- you'll get laughed out of the conversation.

I've spent the last 15+ years teaching young White women how to gracefully say no to casual sex; how to reject the propaganda; how to prefer and require COURTING rather than dating: intended toward marriage and children, not today's pleasure. They have received that information -- and permission to say no! -- gratefully, because they have not known HOW to say no -- but they want to!

And yes, a large number WERE Christian girls! The unwed-pregnancy numbers of Christian girls is not substantially different from non-Christian girls. Do you think those girls, too, wanted to pursue their "own uninhibited sexual mores"? Or they were bowled over by the 24/7 propaganda? Are THEY evil, or just not protected as they should have been?!

The 'weakness' of White women is a STRENGTH when those women are kept within a White civilization! Our innate urge to nurture children SUPPORTS our people and nation, until ... SOMEONE ... lets in child races (and foreign children) that spur that urge without meriting it in ANY way!

Anonymous Avalanche May 30, 2017 9:09 AM  

(Is Charlie Baud a troll? In which case I apologize for touching the poop!!)

Anonymous Asatru Heathen May 30, 2017 9:13 AM  

No, they are not relevant. If you want to share your concerns about the church, repent and be baptised. Then you can share your very important feelings.

Do you work for the government? I'm having a hard time imagining you in sales/services/customer focused industry.

Anyway, thank you for reminding every non-christian reading these comments why we are not christian. Vox can be very persuasive, but I think he's fighting reality on this one.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 30, 2017 9:13 AM  

See? This is the sort of thing that makes me (and many disaffected/disbelieving) roll our eyes. Your accusation is NOT a reasoned consideration (and perhaps denial?) of the CRAP in Christianity -- it's: "YOU just want to have SEX!"

Given that his commented triggered a massive emotional response from you, I'd say he hit a nerve.

Blogger Matthew May 30, 2017 9:14 AM  

Avalanche wrote:How many women -- how many of your daughters, wives, and mothers are you willing to 'break'? IS there no way between feminism and the destruction of the West and enslaving all women?

Not when there are women like you running around shitting up everything.

Blogger Matthew May 30, 2017 9:15 AM  

Asatru Heathen wrote:Anyway, thank you for reminding every non-christian reading these comments why we are not christian.

As if you have a choice.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 30, 2017 9:17 AM  

Exposure to ...yes... Marion Zimmer Bradley's Arthurian tale (which was brilliantly done -- but could easily be described as strongly anti-Christian), solidified for me my dislike for Christianity and its lying, deviousness, and success in the war demonizing honest pagan religions.

Maybe you should stop reading pedophiles

Blogger Matthew May 30, 2017 9:20 AM  

Avalanche wrote:Exposure to ...yes... Marion Zimmer Bradley's Arthurian tale (which was brilliantly done -- but could easily be described as strongly anti-Christian), solidified for me my dislike for Christianity and its lying, deviousness, and success in the war demonizing honest pagan religions.

A child-rapist touched my heart, now I'm an athiest!

Blogger Matthew May 30, 2017 9:21 AM  

Repeal the 19th.

Anonymous Asatru Heathen May 30, 2017 9:22 AM  

@116

I am not sure I take your meaning. Would you care to elaborate?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 30, 2017 9:22 AM  

A child-rapist touched my heart, now I'm an athiest!

I'm guessing that's not all that was touched

Anonymous Avalanche May 30, 2017 9:23 AM  

@59 "Online I see a few atheists re-evaluate their beliefs and their antagonism, and I think this is great. But there are so few of them that it is like pissing in the wind."

Don't give up hope. I am one, and I know others, who are arguing and throw confusion into the mix BECAUSE we are trying to find our way/way back to belief. One reason (of a number: bowing to our Dark Lord) I keep coming back and 'arguing' is that I have these obstacles, I need to challenge these (intelligent! -- which is hard to find!) Christians is because these obstacles keep me 'un-connected.'

I WOULD like to give up my cynicism about it; and my concerns for my and our future. How is it NOT nihilism to shut up and accept: "your 'free' life ends soon; go make babies"? That sounds to many like "but what about meeeee?" And to an extent it is, but I also see many thousands of women -- NOT all feminist or pathological -- who resist and will fight against being turned into "just breeders" for the White subspecies.

The human animal,I think, innately 'reaches up.' This is the hierarchy in the military, the wife and children 'looking' up to dad (horribly deprecated right now), and the believers and non looking up to / for 'god.'

Don't give up on "the few" -- try to remember that your audience is NOT the 'few' you're discussing with, however unsatisfactorily. Your audience is the LURKERS -- the readers and thinkers -- the ones NOT arguing or participating, but mulling over and considering.

I argue and participate, because I really REALLY want Vox's three pillars to survive and thrive. But I see so many (apparent) "don't care about our women, just force 'em to do what we want," so I want to bring it up for their consideration. (Or just to point it out; consideration is in their heads -- the 'pointing at the moon' is mine.)

Blogger Student in Blue May 30, 2017 9:25 AM  

Can you 'Christians' not find ANY other possible reason for someone choosing NON-Christianity than sex?

It's not ALWAYS the reason, but damned if it isn't the reason a large majority of the time. Even if they later rationalize it as "well I don't like tithing!" or something like that.

There's a reason why the sex industry is so large, and has been around forever: sexual desires and appetite are a large factor of humanity, especially men.

There will be some odd ducks who, for some reason or another, decide they will abandon Christianity because of purely rational, logical reasons. Those people are freaking unicorns, both in this instance and in general.

I was 13 and thought sex was icky when Christianity started demanding I believe conflicting ideas.

Yes, the entirety of Christianity demanded you believe conflicting ideas. That 13-year-old version of yourself must've had an astonishing grasp of Christian theology.

Or maybe you got screwed over by Churchian cucks worshipping Judeo-Christ?

Blogger Matthew May 30, 2017 9:29 AM  

Asatru Heathen wrote:@116

I am not sure I take your meaning. Would you care to elaborate?


Naw, it wouldn't help you.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 30, 2017 9:36 AM  

It's not ALWAYS the reason, but damned if it isn't the reason a large majority of the time.

Look you just don't understand that if society would just get rid of those antiquated desert tribal sky daddy ideas, they could finally make all the sex with the hottest guys or girls.

Blogger Student in Blue May 30, 2017 9:43 AM  

@120 Asatru Heathen
I am not sure I take your meaning. Would you care to elaborate?

Y'see, Matthew believes in something called "double predestination"... :)

Anonymous Avalanche May 30, 2017 9:48 AM  

@103 Me: "I had no problem whatsoever 'bending my knee' to my beloved husband -- because HE was worthy of me! Many men? NOT worth my submission. Now what?
Nate: Feminism is a hell of a drug"

{shrug} I'm not 2-3 SDs above average; but I am 1.5 or 2. HOW am I to "submit" myself to an IQ of 100?! (Or even 115?!) (One more place) Vox is right: there is a HUGE communication gap in IQ!

Is it feminism to want to USE my big brain with education and achievement? Is it reasonable for you 'future rulers of the White West' to want to waste that brain? I wholeheartedly agree; send the 'smart' foreigners back with/to their sub-average IQ kin. Where will you send the smart women?! Where is MY homeland to which you would return me -- or must I be smart and limited by MY racial kin?!

(Yes, yes, that's some more "what about meeeeee?" But, look up, look around: How many smart women will you intellectually 'clitoridectimize' for your future society? What of your daughters?)

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 30, 2017 9:57 AM  

{shrug} I'm not 2-3 SDs above average; but I am 1.5 or 2.

Are you sure your IQ isn't 166?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 30, 2017 9:58 AM  

Is it feminism to want to USE my big brain with education and achievement? Is it reasonable for you 'future rulers of the White West' to want to waste that brain?

Your brain is not that big. You're literally a midwit.

Blogger Student in Blue May 30, 2017 10:01 AM  

Isn't the standard deviation for IQ 15 points?

I thought midwittery was ~130 IQ.

Anonymous Avalanche May 30, 2017 10:02 AM  

@114 "Given that his commented triggered a massive emotional response from you, I'd say he hit a nerve."

Given you apparently MISSED the entire rest of my comment.... I'd say you missed my point. I coached and taught CHASTITY until marriage!! (Just where do NON-religious girls get that in this pathological society? The theory is: religious girls can say: "no, God wouldn't like it if I do that." Non-religious girls can't even say "my dad wouldn't like that" -- because most of the dads are just as pathologized!)

ANY nerve that was hit was because OUR young women are being damaged and destroyed by the 'cat around girls, it'll be good for you' messages.

These girls and young women were DESPERATE for how to say NO to casual sex (and also being told it was right, appropriate, and in their best interests TO say no!). They were lost-at-sea on how to do what they wanted (say NO) without taking a ration of shite from your friends the PUAs, and from lots and lots and lots of "regular boys" including lots of Christian boys!

I am fer shure angry and having an "emotional response" because so very many young women are NOT being protected. I watch with joy -- and the occasional cautious coaching -- as my neighbors/tribe mates raise their lovely daughters to be as free as they can arrange of the propaganda.

Suggesting that people turn away from Christianity so they can have sex? Maybe it applies to the ex-Christian boys? I have counseled very few of those. But the GIRLS?! They do NOT 'turn away from Christianity so they can have lots of sex!

Anonymous Avalanche May 30, 2017 10:04 AM  

@115 "Not when there are women like you running around shitting up everything."

Because you truly believe that ALL intelligent women will be delightfully happy to be breeders and NOT use their brains except for raising kids?

(In what way am I .... negatively affecting everything? Really? Or is 'what to do about women' too hard a problem to deal with?)

Anonymous Avalanche May 30, 2017 10:06 AM  

@117 "Exposure to ...yes... Marion Zimmer Bradley's Arthurian tale (which was brilliantly done -- but could easily be described as strongly anti-Christian), solidified for me my dislike for Christianity and its lying, deviousness, and success in the war demonizing honest pagan religions.
Maybe you should stop reading pedophiles"

Aw, come on, Josh -- did YOU know, back in 1983 that she was a horror? And -- have you got a time machine so I can back then and stop myself from reading what was a brilliantly done book?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 30, 2017 10:06 AM  


Isn't the standard deviation for IQ 15 points?

I thought midwittery was ~130 IQ.


According to Vox, it's 1-2 SD:


As we often see on this blog, those who possess above-average intelligence and trouble to occasionally read newspapers and magazines tend to genuinely be under the erroneous impression that they possess superlative intelligence. But while having an IQ between one and two standard deviations above the norm is unusual, it is hardly rare, and in historical terms it is distinctly pedestrian.


https://voxday.blogspot.com/2012/02/tragedy-of-mid-witted.html?m=1

Blogger Student in Blue May 30, 2017 10:15 AM  

Makes sense. Also with Mensa being 130 minimum, that means all the midwits who barely make the cutoff join.

Blogger JP May 30, 2017 10:22 AM  

All it will take is some hard times, and before you know it, everyone is a devout Christian again. That's how Christianity works: it uplifts the downtrodden.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 30, 2017 10:23 AM  

Because you truly believe that ALL intelligent women will be delightfully happy to be breeders and NOT use their brains except for raising kids?


If you were either actually smart or just had enough self control to think for a minute before emoting, you could use that big brain of yours to conclude that the most important thing an intelligent woman could do is have as many smart kids as possible.

Blogger Rabbi B May 30, 2017 10:25 AM  

@132 Avalanche

Because you truly believe that ALL intelligent women will be delightfully happy to be breeders and NOT use their brains except for raising kids?

Why do you hate kids so much?

Anonymous Avalanche May 30, 2017 10:28 AM  

@123 "It's not ALWAYS the reason, but damned if it isn't the reason a large majority of the time. Even if they later rationalize it as "well I don't like tithing!" or something like that."

So, you're mostly thinking about men and why THEY leave Christianity? (Quelle surprise -- *I* think more about why WOMEN leave Christianity... If we don't try to elicit support from BOTH halves of White Western civ, how will we get there? And no, FORCING women won't suffice.)


@123 "There's a reason why the sex industry is so large, and has been around forever: sexual desires and appetite are a large factor of humanity, especially men."

Yeah, men, men, and more men. Perhaps we need to disclaim our comments: "this is a description of mostly men" or "mostly women." (Oooh, look Vox! I just caught another version of solipsism!! Yes, I AM focused/focusing on "what about the ladies?" because that is the "other half" of our future White Western civilization. I don't KNOW how we get there from here. I keep asking and getting told it's: "go home and make babies.")


@123 "There will be some odd ducks who, for some reason or another, decide they will abandon Christianity because of purely rational, logical reasons. Those people are freaking unicorns, both in this instance and in general."

Certainly women 'abandon' Christianity (or churchianity?) for emotional reasons (as ALL humans do for ALL decisions: Read the studies!).

If 'we' are trying to get back there, 'we' need to consider how to make Christianity and White Western civ PALATABLE to White Western women. Yes, you CAN force them back into the farm-stalls (my own emotional, pejorative description of how it SOUNDS in y'all's happy descriptions!), and many will happily and gratefully retreat to home and babies. And I SO support that!

But, as I used to caution my list-girls: if you WANT Mr. Darcy and all those formalized and quaint-seeming manners -- you must ALSO accept that e.g., the woman belongs to daddy until and unless he finds her a man to GIVE her into the care of. And she may get little or no say who that is!

I caution you would-be Mr Darcys: you don't GET to have women constricted like that, without you ALSO being bound by those formalized and quaint-seeming manners! You up for that? Or do you think you can corral women into that system -- but stay free of it yourselves? No 'pick-up artist' games -- Roosh would be driven from our society if not killed out right! Men who dallied with a good woman would be shunned and discarded by good men as the cad they acted as.

You cannot have one side without the other: so choose carefully! You're not going to return women to that White Western civ without you ALSO being returned to it. (I SUPPORT a return-- at least part of the way? -- but... just how many women are you personally ready to support? Your widowed mom, your widowed or unmarried aunts, your spinster sisters? PLUS your wife and ("make LOTS of White babies") how many kids?


@123 Yes, the entirety of Christianity demanded you believe conflicting ideas. That 13-year-old version of yourself must've had an astonishing grasp of Christian theology.

Ah yes, dialectic instead of rhetoric. What does Vox teach about reaching women (and most men)? We are MORE susceptible to rhetoric, and less to dialectic.


@123 Or maybe you got screwed over by Churchian cucks worshipping Judeo-Christ?"

This, I think, may be likely. But I do not see much of NON-churchians, and way too much of Judeo-Christ in your 'religion.' (Nor do y'all -- to judge by the discussions here!)

Anonymous Blanche May 30, 2017 10:31 AM  

BUUUT WHAAAAAT AAAABOOOUUUT MEEEEEE!?!?!?!?!

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 30, 2017 10:31 AM  

If 'we' are trying to get back there, 'we' need to consider how to make Christianity and White Western civ PALATABLE to White Western women.

What do you think Churchianity is?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 30, 2017 10:32 AM  

BlancheMay 30, 2017 10:31 AM
BUUUT WHAAAAAT AAAABOOOUUUT MEEEEEE!?!?!?!?!


Thank you for being a friend...

Blogger Rabbi B May 30, 2017 10:34 AM  

@139 Avalanche

the woman belongs to daddy until and unless he finds her a man to GIVE her into the care of.

A woman will always be dependent upon a man, not independent of him. That is the position and order into which she is born. An order that was established by the Creator. Upsetting that order always has dire consequences, consequences which we are experiencing today.

Blogger Fenris Wulf May 30, 2017 10:35 AM  

I've probably said this before, but Christians and pagans have far more in common than either of them like to think. Both have a fundamentally Western orientation and share a lot of basic assumptions.

It's obvious to me that we live in a fallen world, that there is a spirit of mindless destruction and hate loose in humanity, that we are terribly limited in our physical and intellectual capabilities, that we know almost nothing about the nature of matter and energy or the origin of life, and that we urgently need a role model who gets down in the trenches with us and shows us how to overcome failure and suffering. These things are true even if you don't believe in a spiritual dimension or a transcendent Creator. As I've learned more about the actual meaning of Christian dogmas, I've been very impressed.

I don't believe in the Resurrection or the hereafter, so I can't honestly call myself a Christian. However, I've learned to have more respect for those who do.

Anonymous Avalanche May 30, 2017 10:36 AM  

@135 " with Mensa being 130 minimum, that means all the midwits who barely make the cutoff join."

I didn't bother, I was unimpressed. My IQ is 139. Even IF that makes me a midwit, it still puts me well out in the tail. How, still, am I to 'submit' to an IQ100 male?! (My husband was IQ159 -- EASY to follow and adore!)

Must *I* be denied the education and use of that IQ because:" girl! And how would YOU feel if told that applied to you?

Anonymous Avalanche May 30, 2017 10:37 AM  

@137 " That's how Christianity works: it uplifts the downtrodden."

NOT a feature, a bug.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 30, 2017 10:38 AM  

{shrug} I'm not 2-3 SDs above average; but I am 1.5 or 2.

My IQ is 139.


And yet you can't do math. It's probably because you're a girl.

Anonymous Avalanche May 30, 2017 10:47 AM  

@137 "If you were either actually smart or just had enough self control to think for a minute before emoting, you could use that big brain of yours to conclude that the most important thing an intelligent woman could do is have as many smart kids as possible."

Which comes first? You ('we'?) FIX the society so a woman having lots of smart kids CAN have/raise them? And socially enforce that her husband NOT decide to leave for a younger version without such heavy responsibilities? If you don't PROTECT the smart women, they will NOT play your game -- because the unwritten rules suck!

Or should these smart women -- with an innate long-time-sense -- have lots of smart babies and hope to work out later how to feed them and protect them from the propaganda?! (Which kind of women did you want to be breeding?)

I AGREE (White Western) women should be having lots of babies -- but until you White Western men recreate a society where that is possible and supported and do-able.... what then? Have 'em and raise 'em badly? (We're already DOING that! Or, at least, the low-time-sense women are!)

Eugenics serves a deeply important purpose for our subspecies, and until we can remove the vicious stigma the damned jews laid on it, we're going to keep breeding DOWNWARDS! (Now watch, gonna get the usual slams for thinking that eugenics is okay -- it always follows!)

("enough self-control" ... that the phrase you use when a woman brings up a problem you don't want to address? Nice rhetoric...)

Anonymous Mr. Rational May 30, 2017 10:58 AM  

Resident Moron™ wrote:Whete are the French revolutionaries now, Mr Rational?
Running the country, apparently.

@75  I'm glad I'm not the only one willing to say that.

@76  Towel-head's capital city gets glass-paved.  Towel-head is out of town on shariah enforcement duty but gets his when the airborne bits of the city blow his way.  There's not even a scavenger to dispose of his corpse, let alone a proper burial.  So sad for towel-head.

Towel-head's AK-47 doesn't have the range to shoot me from Dubai.  All I need to do is keep him out of Dearborn.  Since he's already in Dearborn things are going to be messy.

@148  You are an absolutely fascinating example of femininity, Avalanche.  I have another few like you in my extended adoptive family, and I'm glad of it.

Blogger Student in Blue May 30, 2017 11:01 AM  

@139. Avalanche
So, you're mostly thinking about men and why THEY leave Christianity?

No.

If 'we' are trying to get back there, 'we' need to consider how to make Christianity and White Western civ PALATABLE to White Western women.

They've been trying to do that for decades. That's literally why the church is in the state it is.

Ah yes, dialectic instead of rhetoric.

That line was rhetoric based on dialectic. If it was pure dialectic, that line would've had far less of a sarcastic bent. But you're the big brain here...

This, I think, may be likely. But I do not see much of NON-churchians, and way too much of Judeo-Christ in your 'religion.'

Which is why, even from St. Augustine, there's a concept such as 'the invisible church'. And it's why Jesus warned, "and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people."

And you know why that is? Because we have an enemy who works against us, twisting words that are otherwise clear. The words are right bloody there, and yet still people choose to screw it all up by conveniently ignoring or changing it. It's inevitably changed to suit the reader's personal preferences, rather than the reader changing to suit it.

Anonymous Avalanche May 30, 2017 11:02 AM  

@138 "Why do you hate kids so much?"

Hi Rabbi B. I don't 'hate' them so much -- in fact, I turned out to be surprisingly maternal (a weird thing about myself I did not even discover until I was in my 30s!).

I am damaged, as my father was damaged. I know about myself that I would be, as he was, unable to deal with the noise and patience requirements of a child (he had three!). HE was a batterer (not terrifically "badly," but enough, quite enough!), and I know of myself that I would be one too. He was (I realized in my 30s), as I am, a walking nerve. Noise, commotion, uproar, heat, cold, bright light ... too much stimulation, overwhelms. (My friends tease that "I'm on the spectrum" -- the autistic spectrum, which may be the case... or I may just have what would have been called a hundred years ago , a weak nervous system.)

However, recognizing that I would not be able to NOT respond with 'overwhelm' to a 24/7 child (I'm GREAT with other people's kids -- so long as I can give them back!); I look with huge trepidation at all the "we want a White Western civ where allllll the woman stay home and breed." ('spose it doesn't matter, I'll be long dead before we succeed, but I would protect future women who are not 'mother material.'

I ALSO support all these smart women having and raising lots of kids when they're young (the women AND the kids!) -- but ALSO having a future when the kids are all grown and gone! If they want it -- I LOVED being a kept wife, and would have happily stayed that way but he died; and I had to step up and be my own man: run my own business (well, HIS business!) and take care of the house and property AND my own future.


And, writing of which, I need to go attend to that business. I am honored by the discussion. Saving my race, my people, my civilization (and please, dear God -- BEFORE those damned invaders destroy our history in architecture and art all over our White countries!!), is my main goal in what's left of my life. I support the three pillars because they are necessary. I WOULD hope 'we' can find a way to make them both successful AND less onerous on the distaff half of our subspecies!!

Anonymous Avalanche May 30, 2017 11:06 AM  

@141 If 'we' are trying to get back there, 'we' need to consider how to make Christianity and White Western civ PALATABLE to White Western women.
What do you think Churchianity is?

No, I mean make REAL Christianity palatable -- if you're gonna try to institute it, you might consider how you're going to get women to play along! Unless force is your only choice, in which case: "aloha snackbar!"

Blogger Wild Ape May 30, 2017 11:08 AM  

@106---Josh, I was using Christian principles to communicate to you, not to tell you how to run your church. 1. Look to your own community (love thy neighbor). 2. Don't be a troll. (Do unto others as you would have others do unto you) 3. Gear yourself up for an existential fight (Psalm something or other). And your response: No thanks.

Lucky for you I know a lot of Christians and I know that only half are ugly little punks like you and the other half are good reasoned people. What I like about my folk is if someone were to pop off like that we would fight and I like that because I don't get the disrespect that comes from churchians who act like they please because they are forgiven on Sunday. If you cross the line in our Heathen community then you pay a price. It makes everyone polite and respectful. I also laugh at how you are so fixated about all the good sex we get. Here is the deal, we take oaths that are binding not only to our gods but to each other. So when we take binding oaths, like marriage we face the wrath of the whole shebang if we break it and risk exile from the group. What do you face for your misdeeds?

Vox is right that we Heathens will play a role in pushing back and saving Western civilization. We can do what you Christians many Christians won't dirty their hands in doing. Heathens understand that we are looking at extermination and most Christians don't get what that means for them. Christians are being butchered all over the world while cucks sit back and shake their heads and send warm-feelz-virtue-signaling in response. The Sons of Odin are pushing back in Finland and Sweden and are secretly cheered. What have the Christians done?

The Muslims kill more Muslims than they do anyone else because the Sunni-Shia rift is very stark. We need to exploit that and get them to kill each other more and occupy their energies on eradicating each other.

We need to push back on creeping Sharia Laws in this country---for instance, most hotels no longer serve bacon or ham for continental breakfast because they have placated to the Muslims living and visiting here. That needs to stop. They should not feel comfortable with their invasion of our lands. There are other examples of creeping Sharia that need to be addressed. Heathens eat pork, I for one, eat pork whenever feasting to Freyr. Fight religion with religion and, for the moment, we outnumber them here in the states.

We need to demand that Muslims stay in the Middle East and should not be allowed in this country. Christian refugees should be admitted if we must admit them. That is how they sold it but the reality was it was just a Trojan Horse to bring their barbaric dogma here to the West.


Anonymous Avalanche May 30, 2017 11:08 AM  

@149 "And yet you can't do math. It's probably because you're a girl."

I was trying to answer quickly, work calls (insistently!), AND I was (and am) uncomfortable 'bragging.' (Although, Michael always said, "it ain't braggin' in it's true."

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 30, 2017 11:09 AM  

I ALSO support all these smart women having and raising lots of kids when they're young (the women AND the kids!) -- but ALSO having a future when the kids are all grown and gone!

You are the equivalent of the women's studies professor screaming about the lack of women in stem fields.

You are also on the short list of the most selfish people who have ever commented on this blog.

Blogger Rabbi B May 30, 2017 11:11 AM  

@151 Avalanche

"we want a White Western civ where allllll the woman stay home and breed."

We want a civilization where men are men and women are women.

Breed? Please. Women are not cattle. They have simply been sold a bill of goods that has told them the highest and most desirable calling is outside the home, following their dreams, and making something of themselves when their primary responsibility and most sacred calling lies somewhere else.

Anonymous Avalanche May 30, 2017 11:12 AM  

@155 "You are also on the short list of the most selfish people who have ever commented on this blog. "

And, alas, you are one of the most dense.

Blogger Rabbi B May 30, 2017 11:18 AM  

Congratulations, Josh. It's official. You are now the densest thing here.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 30, 2017 11:19 AM  

And, alas, you are one of the most dense.

Well, I do lift.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 30, 2017 11:20 AM  


Congratulations, Josh. It's official. You are now the densest thing here.


I'm going to run out of room in my handle for all my superlatives.

Blogger Rabbi B May 30, 2017 11:22 AM  

Josh (the gayest and densest thing here)

You have to admit, it certainly has a nice ring to it.

Blogger Wild Ape May 30, 2017 11:26 AM  

@ Rabbi B----Rabbi, I seldom post here but I enjoy your posts.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 30, 2017 11:26 AM  

Avalanche wrote:Must *I* be denied the education and use of that IQ because:" girl! And how would YOU feel if told that applied to you?
Feelings are irrelevant.

Full stop.

As a matter of policy, feelings are irrelevant. Your entire complaint here is "That makes me feel bad!" So the hell what? Who, besides you, cares?
You're a freaking narcissist, Avalanche, and you're demanding we build an entire society around your feelings.

Blogger Kathy May 30, 2017 12:13 PM  

One thing to remember is that when women were more dependent on their husbands is that sleeping around and divorce was frowned upon. Divorce was extremely rare and sleeping around was more common among the lower classes or the extreme upper echelons of society. I would think that the men in such a society would be discouraged to be trading in an older model for a newer one....that doesn't say anything good about the man.
Women need meaning to their lives just like men and intellectual pursuits. It's why many of us when we stay home take up hobbies and why some of us start writing books. (I can think of many women authors today who started writing when their children were little) There's a point when even if you homeschool, the kids don't need you as much.
That's also why organizations like DAR exist. Women when they had free time (especially among the wealthy) would also do good works, help the poor and such. I haven't joined myself but I'm considering it.
There have always been exceptional women in history though. You can't discount women like Margaret Thatcher. (or that Polish prime minister!)

Anonymous johnc May 30, 2017 12:15 PM  

@153 What do you face for your misdeeds?

Well... there's hell for all eternity. So we have that going for us.

Anonymous JAG May 30, 2017 1:27 PM  

Pepe's Top wrote:"Yeah, it's not like we put Trump in office, or anything. Hee hee *cough* hee!"

LOL Trump...LOL....LOL...Alt Right?.....LOL...Awesome.


Yeah, cuz building the wall, deporting leeches, and Making America Great Again are the provinces of the leftists and the cucks.

You idiots are just too damn easy. Soros isn't getting his money's worth.

Blogger SirHamster May 30, 2017 1:57 PM  

Avalanche wrote:No, I mean make REAL Christianity palatable -- if you're gonna try to institute it, you might consider how you're going to get women to play along! Unless force is your only choice, in which case: "aloha snackbar!"Avalanche wrote:No, I mean make REAL Christianity palatable -- if you're gonna try to institute it, you might consider how you're going to get women to play along! Unless force is your only choice, in which case: "aloha snackbar!"

When anyone takes Real Christianity and start tailoring it to the desires of men and women, you end up with churchianity, no exceptions.

Jesus said "Follow me". Submission to Christ is not optional, and there are no alternatives.

Blogger Wild Ape May 30, 2017 2:24 PM  

@johnc---I was aiming for Josh and his hypocrisy. Many have his misconception that Heathens have no moral code, it is quite the opposite. We fear losing honor more than what happens in the afterlife. Our Hel is not like your Hell and we think from a polytheist framework, not a monotheist worldview.

Anonymous Tyr May 30, 2017 2:33 PM  

Lest any Pagans think that the institutions of Chrisitianity are somehow unique in being subverted and used against the West, forget not that it was the progtard heathens of Circle (jerk) Ansuz who harassed Greg Johnson out of San Francisco by protesting in front of his home and intimidating his landlord.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper May 30, 2017 2:37 PM  

I wouldn't crow too much about Christian Eastern Europe , the real meat is in the total fertility rate and not one of the highly religious states is above replacement .In fact the Christian religious states have fertility on par with everyone else, often lower than Scandinavian Whites

Robustly Christian and nationalist Poland has slightly lower fertility than Germany and much lower than non religious Sweden in fact.

It doesn't take much theology to know that if you are a Christian and aren't married with a passel of kids, how many you can afford you aren't doing it right.

That said the religious impulse in people is very strong and while Europeans like to pretend to be atheist, actual atheism is rather rare. Most so called atheists are agnostic and in Europe, its more a reversion to the native Pre Christian religion , the worship of trees rocks and shrubs , a kind of nature worship

This seems rational to me , the desert religion fades and a folk religion isn't in the offing the instinctive religion resurfaces.

This is not a good thing though, Christianity tempers a peoples instincts toward a more stable social order, bans the sacrifice of men and requires orderly behavior

I don't tend to the good/evil duality matrix myself , I think its false but to the older order/chaos matrix. It seems to fit reality better. That aside, Christianity is a generally people focused just order and on the those grounds is of benefit . Its reality is irrelevant as it is useful and beautiful both.

Also re: Heathenry. I am very sympathetic to it and think, that if it was common that Hellenic Heathens, Asa Folk and the like (not Wiccans or Druids so much) could form the basis of a social order in theory at least. They are functional religions with rational teachings and a semblance of history

They are nowhere near that point politically or socially and the few Heathens I've personally met, do not impress. They have along long way to go.

As such if we are going to have breaks on our society , keep it from getting worse and keep chaos at bay, we need Gods , not Nature with its bloody hungers but Gods and the best ones we have out there are muscular Christianity



Anonymous Asatru Heathen May 30, 2017 2:48 PM  

Lest any Pagans think that the institutions of Chrisitianity are somehow unique in being subverted and used against the West, forget not that it was the progtard heathens of Circle (jerk) Ansuz who harassed Greg Johnson out of San Francisco by protesting in front of his home and intimidating his landlord

Indeed. My understanding is that in the US the Ring of Troth is thoroughly converged. It's a shame. Two decades ago they were good people, and they helped me start taking my religious studies more seriously.

Anonymous JAG May 30, 2017 3:15 PM  

OT, but religion and science related:

http://www.icr.org/article/10023

Money quote:

By claiming that inflationary cosmology lies outside the scientific method, IS&L are dismissing the research of not only all the authors of this letter but also that of a substantial contingent of the scientific community.

Once again, modern "science" is consensus rather than fact based. If the facts don't match the consensus it is the facts that are wrong. Ignorance is strength.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 30, 2017 3:15 PM  

@A. B. Prosper
It's odd how many people who believe in behavioral evolution don't see that suppressed reproduction rates are a purely temporary effect, which is already disappearing. It's perfectly predictable from their own premises.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper May 30, 2017 4:38 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:@A. B. Prosper

It's odd how many people who believe in behavioral evolution don't see that suppressed reproduction rates are a purely temporary effect, which is already disappearing. It's perfectly predictable from their own premises.


As far as I know birth rates are if anything down, not up. And yes Russia got them up a bit from 1.1 to 1.7, that's just dead/replaced slower

No White group is much above replacement and even Quiver-Full types and Mormons aren't keeping rates high in any broad sense . Utah is at 2.3 which is growth but its the Mormon Holy Land, it had better be high

However the lower birth rates are easily, rationally explained by cultural trends not that anyone on the Left values reason (or much of the Right for that matter)

Getting them only requires a few rather difficult things, change the culture to make children signal as important, make sure people haves stable income where they live especially non urban areas (cities always constrict family size) remove feminism/cultural Marxism/home economicus from society entirely

we've done basically the exact opposite. However the TFR being where it is suggests to me that many people want families despite all hindrances

I will say though expecting another baby boom seems unlikely, even getting rid of the hindrances isn't going to provide the social mood or economy required for it. its not repeatable in a fully developed society with massive labor and production surpluses . On top of that Europe, even minus refusegees , cans and kebab is very crowded, Its at carrying capacity now , probably past it and unlikely to have surplus growth . Hell Germany was past carry cap in the 30's as a certainly Austrian noted

Minus all or nearly all immigration, Europe would benefit from some population shrinkage .

Also note, a war of conquest or another frontier is not an option, nothing out there to occupy that isn't already occupied or inhospitable. The West has to somehow manage to live with being fully developed which is something we really aren't good at.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 30, 2017 4:48 PM  

Western society is, right now and for the last 40 years, selecting for people who have high reproductive rates despite (relatively) safe abortion, free birth control and intense social pressure.
That means, to the extent that such traits are heritable (and behavioral evolutionists believe them to be heritable, by definition), that the suppression of birth rates is temporary. Evolution will work around it in only a few generations.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper May 30, 2017 5:29 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Western society is, right now and for the last 40 years, selecting for people who have high reproductive rates despite (relatively) safe abortion, free birth control and intense social pressure.

That means, to the extent that such traits are heritable (and behavioral evolutionists believe them to be heritable, by definition), that the suppression of birth rates is temporary. Evolution will work around it in only a few generations.


OK, I see what you mean. Makes sense to me. Phil Longman's Empty Cradle touches on this topic as do the documentaries Demographic Winter and Demographic Bomb

I'll note though its a slow process, we've had at least one, maybe two generations selection with little result and even some groups that normally select for fertility are having problems with retention. Some LDS I know have 3 children, all peak child bearing age and zero grand children

I think Longman noted in his lectures people tend to have children if the people around them have children.

I will say that no matter what the fertility rate is, I suspect raw numbers of humans are going down sooner than later. We've temporarily avoided the Malthusian trap but its only temporary. I fully expect giga death which leads me to think the anti natalists are being more humane. Better to reduce numbers now than die off horribly

My guess is that so long as the current modernity holds, TFR will stay low and if automation continues as I suspect it will , the labor surplus will grow and this will suppress fertility even with social change.

Economics isn't the only cause but its a big one and in my research there is a strong correlation between it and lower fertility. The US trigger seemed to be 1973 when the TFR went below 2 and its stayed close to that since than. This is when the baby boom ended and incomes started to brick . And while feminism was a thing, it wasn't a fraction of what it is now and the US was more churched, more homogeneous and still had most of the needed social markers and technology for higher fertility

It didn't happen though and the White TFR has remained roughly the same for pushing half a century as basically two workers are needed to get the same percent GDP of income

Now way in the future TFR will certainly be much higher but so will mortality , what the population will be will depend in the severity of the collapse and what the new tech is. It could grow or be stable or possibly even shrink with high TFR depending on what shape the ecology is in.

Optionally if the meme space is right, a Hard Right Authoritarian Christian State may emerge . Its TFR will be higher for a while till like Iran its hold loosens

For now though, trying to get the TFR up in any larger sense is pulling on thread. As Prosper Mom put, for these things you have to think globally , act locally not that most people here need any encouragement

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 30, 2017 5:34 PM  

I fully expect giga death which leads me to think the anti natalists are being more humane. Better to reduce numbers now than die off horribly.
Assumes that things will continue as they are now. Never a good long-term bet. I believe a war will will be along shortly, and probably an associated, possibly engineered plague.
Longer-term, I think even the existence of something we would recogize as an economy is low odds.

Anonymous Charlie Baud May 30, 2017 11:12 PM  

@111

Since others have addressed most of your arguments, I guess the only thing left for me to say is: shut up, you blithering cunt.

You became a pagan at age 13 due to an adolescent impulse, the fact that Christianity hurt your feelings, and a romanticized view of paganism via some dyke Arthurian fanfiction written by a pedophile. Christianity does not need to change to suit your misguided female imperatives.

"Are those the mores from the jew's tribal mountain god -- or the Greco-Roman underpinning of our civilization?"


The idea that Yahweh was a mountain God was invented by Sigmund Freud. So it seems you, not I, believe in Jewish fairy tales.

Hellenism was not enough to build western civilization. Christianity through St. Augustine rescued Greek philosophy from degrading into superstition.

"(And how do you account for the JEWS sexualizing everyone and everything in "our Christian nation"?!)"

Simple. Cultural subversion. E. Michael Jones has talked at length about this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQeRu7BUEr8

And for the record, yes, Christian girls are far less likely to have out-of-wedlock children. Though I'm only suing statistics, and not unsourced anecdotes from a superior mind such as yourself.

https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/healthscience/health/2001-09-24-teen-pregnancy.htm

@153

"Vox is right that we Heathens will play a role in pushing back and saving Western civilization. We can do what you Christians many Christians won't dirty their hands in doing. Heathens understand that we are looking at extermination and most Christians don't get what that means for them. Christians are being butchered all over the world while cucks sit back and shake their heads and send warm-feelz-virtue-signaling in response. The Sons of Odin are pushing back in Finland and Sweden and are secretly cheered. What have the Christians done?"

The Christians have kept the nations of Poland, Hungary and Russia safe from invaders in the first place. They have voted for leaders to represent them. They have flown to the Levant to fight ISIS directly. What have the pagans done besides hold a few LARP parades, call everyone who doesn't worship their long-dead tree gods "cucks" and kept up with the exploits of Varg on Youtube? It always amuses me when you fags act like your the ones driving the movement when there aren't enough of you to do anything significant, and the ones that do exist are too busy LARPing to make a difference. No matter how you look at it, it's the Christians doing the heavy lifting.

Anonymous Charlie Baud May 30, 2017 11:13 PM  

@168

"We fear losing honor more than what happens in the afterlife."

Congratulations. You have the same moral philosophy as a Klingon cosplayer at a Star Trek convention. The Christian believes in Good because it is good, not for some threat of Hell or some self-aggrandizing concept of "honor" (which by itself always twists into a self-serving sense of pride). Defining good as a social concept instead of a transcendent one will only lead to more compromise and moral collapse. Besides, the threat of Hell is a far greater deterrent to the average person than some abstract, malleable concept of "honor".

@170

"I wouldn't crow too much about Christian Eastern Europe , the real meat is in the total fertility rate and not one of the highly religious states is above replacement .In fact the Christian religious states have fertility on par with everyone else, often lower than Scandinavian Whites "

No European state is above replacement. The most religious states are also the ones recovering from decades of communist oppression, but they are bouncing back (as Russia has shown).

"Robustly Christian and nationalist Poland has slightly lower fertility than Germany and much lower than non religious Sweden in fact."

Because Poland isn't flooding itself with Muslims hellbent on out-breeding the native population, which is the reason for the disparity.

Sure, more babies are being born in those nations, but those babies are brown.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9892/germany-muslims-demographic

"I don't tend to the good/evil duality matrix myself , I think its false but to the older order/chaos matrix. It seems to fit reality better. "

Why do you assume that the two are mutually exclusive? If God is the cause of the universe, and the moral law is the extension of God's will, then Good and Order are intertwined. Wolfgang Smith has written extensively about this. Beware of what "seems" to make sense. Order without the moral law is dangerous. That's why so many Atheists were willing to accept to "order" offered by Communism while Christians weren't.

"Also re: Heathenry. I am very sympathetic to it and think, that if it was common that Hellenic Heathens, Asa Folk and the like (not Wiccans or Druids so much) could form the basis of a social order in theory at least. They are functional religions with rational teachings and a semblance of history "

Then you hope in vain. Heathenry is reconstructionist nonsense. The old Pagan religions were abandoned because they were inadequate. It was Christianity that gave us modern science. The Pagans were too busy sacrificing each other to this or that sacred tree. The idea of pan-pagan unity is equally absurd. It never existed in the Old Europe, it won't exist anytime soon.

Anonymous Charlie Baud May 30, 2017 11:22 PM  

@69

"Not one shred of crap like Pisslam has any place among Europeans."

And yet biology failed to prevent the Albanians and the Chenchyans from accepting Islam. Biology cannot tell us what values to accept.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper May 30, 2017 11:25 PM  

Charlie, its perfectly possible that just as Heathen practices faded or were eliminated. Christianity will suffer the same fate.

I know you see this is as the creators Word, it may well be nothing of the sort and subject to the same things it predecessors were.

Also re: moral law. I understand the concept but I don't accept its reality. Functionally power is the only moral law, obey Gods or people above you or suffer for it

Other things you call morals very tremendously among peoples. That said I think something approaching Christianity is needed if we wish to retain the social order we have. If we do not, we don't need it though our host of course would not consider the West
Now re: Klingon cosplay, amusing but where do you think the writers got the ideas they use for the Klingon people? They come from older cultures> However while such cultures work they certainly don't permit complex order.

And note Europe and White people are separate tribes, the never has been unity and never should be . The two powers that have attempted it, the Romans and the Cathedral are poison. Pagans have enough sense to not try this till the Romans came along

At most we can tolerate each other for a time

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 30, 2017 11:47 PM  

A.B. Prosper wrote:Pagans have enough sense to not try this till the Romans came along


Alexander would like a word with you.
As would Darius.

Anonymous Charlie Baud May 31, 2017 12:07 AM  

@181

"Christianity will suffer the same fate."

Christianity seems to have more staying power than the pagan religions.

"I know you see this is as the creators Word, it may well be nothing of the sort and subject to the same things it predecessors were."

The historical evidence for the Gospels and for miracles seems to say otherwise.

"Other things you call morals very tremendously among peoples."

Christianity managed to provide a common moral code for Europe for centuries.

"However while such cultures work they certainly don't permit complex order."

The Barbarian tribes of Europe were cannibalistic savages. They barely worked at all.

"And note Europe and White people are separate tribes, the never has been unity and never should be . The two powers that have attempted it, the Romans and the Cathedral are poison. Pagans have enough sense to not try this till the Romans came along "

Rome and the Cathedral were what civilized Europeans in the first place. It was pagan freemasonry that lead to this mess.

You also confuse unity with amalgamation. The Church united peoples with a common understanding, but it never amalgamated them. The Spanish and the English remained distinct. Their distinctions were stronger in Christian times then they are now.

Blogger Wild Ape May 31, 2017 12:22 AM  

@179--"Besides, the threat of Hell is a far greater deterrent to the average person than some abstract, malleable concept of "honor"."

Typical monotheistic thinking you have there. Without Hell who is to keep the sheep in line? How will your preacher force his personal interpretation of the Bible down others throats? And what is laughable is that if you bear witness to someone and they don't believe your blundering attempt then you would curse them to burn for all eternity. What a Jonah you are. You can shrug your own incompetence off on your God's will. Such power, the power of eternal damnation your God gives to his puny little ants. Our honor is hardly malleable, again you think like a monotheist. Honor is very--very clear to us. Honor is certainly fuzzy and malleable when Christians are concerned, I will agree with you on that.

You don't need us. We certainly don't need you. As I said in my first post, I've seen first hand how Christian leaders react to real evil. They couldn't even come together on the Columbine Massacre for crying out loud. The only chance Christians come together with any significance is if the Catholic or Mormon churches take up the fight. Fat chance. Maybe you all can fall in with the Westboro Babtist church. They have more fire than several hundred thousand Christians.

Now I wish that were not so because I would love to see y'all take it to the Muslims and stop the invasion and takeover of the West but I have more faith in Lindsey Lohan successfully completing rehab than I do in Christians uniting. You all had most of the planet for crying out loud and wherever I go the churches are empty. Did you ever think that maybe the Hollywood left in its uncomplimentary portrayal of Christians might not have the ring of truth behind it? You all come down on Avalanche because she doesn't like or fit into your faith but her frustration with Christians is very common. There is very little love in your hearts. And you guys can't come together on anything---not even when confronted with evil.

@181--- pan-Pagan alliance---I'll have to agree that that won't happen. Wiccans are bug eyed crazy in my book and I hate being lumped in with them. Now teaming up with them to fight a common foe.....I suppose I would team up with them. Their witches might be good for a curse or two and provide a distraction. I see that Trump has been resilient to them. At worst they could provide good meat shields or comic relief. Christians are funny too but in a different way.

But yeah, we can all tolerate each other for a time.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 31, 2017 12:38 AM  

Wild Ape wrote:And what is laughable is that if you bear witness to someone and they don't believe your blundering attempt then you would curse them to burn for all eternity. What a Jonah you are. You can shrug your own incompetence off on your God's will. Such power, the power of eternal damnation your God gives to his puny little ants.
What a moron you are. Intentionally miscasting every single word said by those you hate. Too bad you had such a bad relationship with your mother. You might have grown into a man.

Blogger JP May 31, 2017 12:59 AM  

As an atheist, I fully support the teaching of Christianity in public schools. Even if I believe it has zero merit (I don't), it's better than any amount of time spent on outright propaganda. Christians aren't as bloodthirsty as the (((Marxists))) or their Muslim puppets. Seeing how tolerant and charitable Christians currently are, I wouldn't mind if they got a little more aggressive.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper May 31, 2017 3:42 AM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:A.B. Prosper wrote:Pagans have enough sense to not try this till the Romans came along



Alexander would like a word with you.

As would Darius.



True on both counts and in my case, an apology for the inaccuracy

Anonymous A.B. Prosper May 31, 2017 4:13 AM  

Charlie Baud wrote:"Christianity will suffer the same fate."

Christianity seems to have more staying power than the pagan religions.

"I know you see this is as the creators Word, it may well be nothing of the sort and subject to the same things it predecessors were."

The historical evidence for the Gospels and for miracles seems to say otherwise.

"Other things you call morals very tremendously among peoples."

Christianity managed to provide a common moral code for Europe for centuries.

"However while such cultures work they certainly don't permit complex order."

The Barbarian tribes of Europe were cannibalistic savages. They barely worked at all.

"And note Europe and White people are separate tribes, the never has been unity and never should be . The two powers that have attempted it, the Romans and the Cathedral are poison. Pagans have enough sense to not try this till the Romans came along "

Rome and the Cathedral were what civilized Europeans in the first place. It was pagan freemasonry that lead to this mess.

You also confuse unity with amalgamation. The Church united peoples with a common understanding, but it never amalgamated them. The Spanish and the English remained distinct. Their distinctions were stronger in Christian times then they are now.


The Religio Roma was around for a heck of a long time as was the Egyptian one.

I'm not going to argue historicity of Christianity at all. Not worth the time

as for cannibal tribes , everyone was a man eater if you want to go far enough back. The God of Abraham almost certainly took human sacrifices at some point.

That said the Celts, Romans, Norsemen , Picts Hellenes ,Pharonic Egyptians , Saxons and the like were reasonably civilized as much as Semitic goat herders , more so in some ways . Its not a Christian civilization but there plenty of other civilization models that work fine

They aren't for us, we men of the west since they aren't ours but they do work and in their own time worked fine.

Also European civilization is no more civilized than anyone else. Look at the totality of war , hell the 30 Years War killed probably half the population of Germany ! You can blame modernity for the unusually high body count but Medieval Europe was not "civilized" by Christendom very much. It was full of violence and more than a bit of endemic internal warfare with even some internal religious warfare

Medieval Europe was hardly peaceful and even the few recent decades of semi peace enforced by the US and the nuclear bomb is an anomaly. Maybe and I am only speculating here, prolonged peace is bad for European people anyway.

Something Wild Ape said re; Wiccans , as a group they are pretty much not part of the discussion, They are the Cathedrals pets and having studied Wicca for some time can tell it you it lacks both moral adequacy and a fixed moral code. There are good Wiccans but its not a foundation and while Heathenry or Hellenic Paganism won't be a foundation either, unlike Wicca it could be

All that aside, the US has a good chance of religious revival , we've had them before or of one or more religious states forming, Christian, Catholic, L.D.S , a few generations in , after the Cathedral goes down they'll be at each other throats or exterminating non believers/converting by the sword and so on. History rhymes not repeats

No idea about Europe though, it will probably remain somewhat culturally Christian but its unlikely people will pile back into institutions like the Catholic Church or much worse the Protestant ones that are badly broken

A repaired church might happen though

Better to have a backup plan to salvage something workable if religion doesn't kick off though.




Blogger dfordoom May 31, 2017 4:32 AM  

@60. Charlie Baud

Did it? Russia is on the rebound, with Hungary, Poland, and the rest of Eastern Europe close behind.

The countries that are doing well, I mean doing well in terms of morality and of preserving their cultures, seem to be mostly ex-communist countries. Russia, Hungary, Poland, China. It appears that living under communism provides some sort of temporary inoculation against the insanities associated with globalism and liberalism. It doesn't seem to have any direct connection with Christianity, except that living under communism seems to be less harmful to Christian faith than living under capitalism.

How long the inoculation will last remains to be seen. Anecdotal evidence suggests that west European Millennials are as brainless and as obsessed by cultural fashions as western Millennials.

Blogger dfordoom May 31, 2017 4:36 AM  

@60. Charlie Baud

America was never truly secular, and shows no signs of becoming so.

America was secular from the start, and aggressively so. The US is a product of that greatest of all horrors, the Enlightenment.

In practice freedom of religion will always become freedom from religion.

Blogger dfordoom May 31, 2017 4:42 AM  

@66. Shane Sullivan

I understand where you're coming from, but using a gun doesn't make one a wimp

No, of course it doesn't. But a gun does allow a wimp to defeat a brave man. And having a technological superiority can have the effect of disguising the fact that a nation is succumbing to wimpery. I fear that may have happened to the West.

There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity.

In fact if you want bravery then having stupidity as well may be a major advantage!

Blogger CM May 31, 2017 5:25 AM  

--Aw, come on, Josh -- did YOU know, back in 1983 that she was a horror? And -- have you got a time machine so I can back then and stop myself from reading what was a brilliantly done book?--

That hook made its rounds through my high school my Jr year. I may have read a page or two. Some people are more gifted at discerning lies than others.

--So, you're mostly thinking about men and why THEY leave Christianity? (Quelle surprise -- *I* think more about why WOMEN leave Christianity... If we don't try to elicit support from BOTH halves of White Western civ, how will we get there? And no, FORCING women won't suffice.)--

Just like with men, some women are liars, more women are willing participants in the lie, some are lied to, and a few resist. That you stumbled upon the "lied to" doesn't mean the liars and willing participants don't suddenly disappear.

Like others have said, churchianity is a coward in the face of liars and refuses to confront it head on, leaving your "lied to" adrift. It isn't a failure of Christianity. It's a failure of pansies caring more for the opinion of men and worldly praise than the do about God's Truth and people's immortal souls.

But the willing participants will fight for the "right" to not be "judged" (being alot is bad, mmmkay) and will hold up their bastards as a weapon to demand compassion and leniency, never connecting that if they had cared half as much as they demand others to care, they wouldn't have had a bastard in the first place.

Blogger CM May 31, 2017 5:28 AM  

**That you stumbled upon the "lied to" doesn't mean the liars and willing participants suddenly disappear.**

**(being slut is bad, mmmkay)**

One of these days I'll turn off my autocorrect, buts strange bastard and slut weren't in my dictionary.

Blogger Wild Ape May 31, 2017 7:49 AM  

@185---Snidley, it is not your God I hate, its you and Christians like you. I'd rather not go to Heaven if you are in it as you would make eternity a Hell for me. Take it personally by all means.

I was a happy Christian once and people like you are tone deaf to Christ's words. Sadly, there are many Christians who I love, my mother included. I see a lot of people like you tormenting your fellow Christians, and I'm not talking about the churchians either, I'm talking about the decent folk. Jesus loves all of his flock. Even a worm like you. You are a terrible example and an embarrassment for Christianity. You drag my mother and manhood into a discussion because my words cause a little sting. Then in your "manly" self righteousness you go and hide behind your God's legs like a little cuck.

My analogy of Jonah and comparing them to you is completely accurate. Jonah's tale is a satire of a curmudgeon who hates Nineveh that when God tells him to deliver His message he acts like a little bitch and tries to flee to the ends of the earth to prevent God's will.

Your God is not a failure, His followers are. Your bungled attempts at evangelizing are not His fault. Your ruinous churchian practices are not His doing. Your pathetic leadership in the face of evil is not His fault.

Every member of my Folk came from Christianity. When you see your empty churches you might want to think about what brought you to this failure. I'll give you a hint, it wasn't your God and churchians are not your only trouble.

One thing I disagree with Vox on is that Heathens are not a major part of Western civilization. That is garbage. Polytheists tend to be democratic and monotheists are by nature monarchy. Romans, Celts, Germans, and Greeks were republics whereas that the Middle East has strong monarchies. Where is democracy in the Bible? The Catholic church was to legitimize the noble line which was God's divine will.

The Althing was closer to modern day justice systems than anything in Christianity. This too stems from Europe's pagan roots.

And what heritage and culture is Christianity? Pagan religions are from the original people and not from the Jewish Middle East. So much of Europe's pagan roots had to be hidden, like Easter, Christmas, and Sunday worship in order to mask the culture. Santa is more popular than Jesus on Christmas and Santa is really just Odin with a make over. Christianity cannot undo its pagan roots because they are tied to heritage. Even the days of the week are pagan. That is why your churches are empty and why people look into my faith. They are looking for and deserving something better on a spiritual level.


Anonymous Avalanche May 31, 2017 8:39 AM  

@117 Me; "Exposure to ...yes... Marion Zimmer Bradley's Arthurian tale ...

Josh: Maybe you should stop reading pedophiles"

You may have heard Vox last night saying that the horrific pedo that MZB was does NOT 'wipe out' her excellent writing, so your "ad hominum once removed" fails.

Anonymous Avalanche May 31, 2017 8:50 AM  

@118 "A child-rapist touched my heart, now I'm an athiest!"

Because it is not possible for a child-rapist to actually write something true and/or moving? HAD I known (in 1983 -- did YOU know then?!) what she was, I would not have bought and read her books.

To expand on Vox (forgive any lèse-majesté) last night: If you must research the entire personal history of everyone whose book you might wish to read, you'll never get any reading done! (Or do you check with, say, the Catholic's 'list of approved reading' before reading anything?!)

"Mists of Avalon" was, rather, an excellent writer providing another / unknown to me view on Christianity and Christians (and women and war) in the pagan days of the Arthurian romances, which bowled me over with the (never considered) concepts of how the losers in the war felt.

(Kinda like how my Southern husband shocked me when I met him and he took me to see Stone Mountain and his hero Jeff Davis: he said, 'no the Star Spangled Banana was NOT his national anthem; the mere fact that his 'people' lost the war did NOT mean he had switched allegiance to the North!' I was raised up North -- the idea that the bad-evil-slaver Southerners had NOT "turned into" guilty liberal Northerners had never ever ever crossed my brainwashed mind!)

I'm guessing you have never and would never read "Mists" -- too bad, it's an excellent book, and a real eye-opener to the brainwashing we undergo.

Anonymous Avalanche May 31, 2017 9:07 AM  

@141 Me: "If 'we' are trying to get back there, 'we' need to consider how to make Christianity and White Western civ PALATABLE to White Western women."
Josh, again: "What do you think Churchianity is?"

Still not answering the question(s),Josh: ARE you going to use force against your own women to 'end' churchianity? IS it the women "causing" churchianity -- or the MEN running the churches who cause/allow this to happen? If you become White-moslems: requiring White Western women to shut up and stay home, how will you NOT (some/many of you) be creating an enemy in your own house?

I read lots and lots of: "this is where we need to go" but almost NOTHING about "how we will get there." Have you read "The Handmaid's Tale"? (The movie, apparently, is just more jewwywood crap -- but the book is quite thought-provoking.)

I'm not supporting or recommending y'all 'creating' a army of smart women (or smart women choosing that path!), of being forced out of the world. I am asking you: HOW do you intend to prevent creating such an army? (Oh, you might also try Suzette Haden Elgin's 1982 book: "Native Tongue" -- it posits just such a society as you seem to wish: and the reaction of smart women to the 'new' strictures y'all seem to desire.)

Anonymous Avalanche May 31, 2017 9:13 AM  

@150 "The words are right bloody there, and yet still people choose to screw it all up by conveniently ignoring or changing it. It's inevitably changed to suit the reader's personal preferences, rather than the reader changing to suit it."

Please go read this man's sermon: mostly, apparently, a non-believer, but addressing (to remove) some of the ... sticking points ... in the that day's Bible reading:
http://www.snowtao.com/family/daddy.htm#belief
"Needless Doubt: Mark 4:2-24, 33-34"

Anonymous Avalanche May 31, 2017 9:17 AM  

@155 "You are the equivalent of the women's studies professor screaming about the lack of women in stem fields.
You are also on the short list of the most selfish people who have ever commented on this blog."

Completely ad hominem and thus unworthy of this blog.

Blogger dfordoom May 31, 2017 9:24 AM  

@80. wreckage

You do realize this timeline tracks pretty much exactly to the decline of Christianity, correlating to the contrary argument rather than your own?

The timeline also tracks to the rise of capitalism. And the rise of democracy. Also the rise of literacy levels. And the spread of education to the masses. And the rise of the press. And urbanisation. And feminism. And the decline of monarchy. Correlation, as they say, does not equal causation.

The real culprit might be something completely unexpected, like dietary changes. Or some weird genetic thing (maybe a selection pressure in favour of wimps).

Stop playing the "moderates game"

I wasn't aware of being a moderate. Personally I favour a restoration of absolutist monarchy and the re-introduction of the Inquisition. I guess that could make me a moderate.

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