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Monday, May 08, 2017

Let them bake cake

Jews and Muslims are whining about not being able to torture animals in Europe anymore.
Belgium's Wallooon region has voted to ban kosher and halal meats by outlawing the slaughter of unstunned animals. The environment committee of southern Belgium's Walloon Parliament voted unanimously for the ban, which will take effect on 1 September, 2019.

Both Jewish kosher and Islamic halal rituals require the butcher to swiftly slaughter the animal by slitting its throat and draining its blood, a process condemned by animal rights campaigners, who argue it is more humane to stun animals before killing them....

The European Jewish Congress called the law, which will be implemented by September 2019, scandalous and its president Moshe Kantor told The Independent it sends a terrible message to Jewish communities throughout Europe that Jews are unwanted.

'It attacks the very core of our culture and religious practice and our status as equal citizens with equal rights in a democratic society,' he said. 'We call on legislators to step back from the brink of the greatest assault on Jewish religious rights in Belgium since the Nazi occupation of the country in World War Two.

"Muslims are worried about whether they can eat halal food ... in conformity with their religious rites and beliefs," the Belgian Muslim Executive said. Countries including Denmark, Switzerland and New Zealand already prohibit unstunned slaughter.
If a Christian baker doesn't have the religious freedom to not bake a cake, then an Aztec priest doesn't have the religious freedom to offer beating hearts to Huitzilopochtli, a Satanist warlock doesn't have the right to sacrifice a virgin to the Devil, and Jews and Muslims don't have the religious freedom to eat meat from tortured animals.

If Muslims want to eat halal meat, they can eat it in Saudi Arabia. If Jews want to eat kosher meat, they can eat it in Israel. That's up to them, that's fine. But there is no reason for the Christian West to tolerate their foreign cultural traditions or to permit them to engage in religious practices that Westerners find distasteful, cruel, or harmful anymore. And it's not the freaking Nazi Occupation if you refuse to eat a pepperoni pizza because you don't like how the cheese was grated. It's also informative to note that despite the Nazi card being played, the committee went ahead and unanimously approved the ban.

I notice that Denmark, Switzerland, and New Zealand have already managed to prohibit animal torture without proceeding to construct death camps. The fact is that banning foreign practices like this is an excellent way to encourage the peaceful migration of foreign peoples back to their homelands. It should be encouraged, especially considering the primary alternative. Because "It's a Small World" is never, ever going to happen. When in Rome, either do as the Romans or leave.

As I mentioned in the Darkstream on the subject, "let them bake cake" is now my standard rhetorical response to all religious minorities whining about their nonexistent religious rights.

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Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 08, 2017 1:05 PM  

They should declare war.

Anonymous Mr. Rational May 08, 2017 1:06 PM  

Remove kebab and kippah!  Europe would be so much better without Barbara Lerner Spectre.

Anonymous Steveo May 08, 2017 1:09 PM  

And for Friends of the Salmon - we can look at Lox issues too.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer May 08, 2017 1:11 PM  

Not a fan of the animal rights groups either. Nice to see my enemies fighting each other.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky May 08, 2017 1:16 PM  

Suits me fine. Ban the halal, ban the hijabs. If the Jewish kosher practice gets swept up in the ban, too bad. That's the smallest of prices for them to pay for backing the foreign invasion. They shouldn't have chosen so poorly.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2017 1:22 PM  

Neither Jew nor Moslem is required by their religion to eat meat.

Blogger Matthew Funk May 08, 2017 1:23 PM  

Jews? Unwanted? Why heavens to Betsy, what a scandalous thought.

Blogger Rabbi B May 08, 2017 1:23 PM  

(((We))) have to go back. It's really that simple.

Jews (and others) who are determined to exaggerate and glorify civic equality as the ultimate freedom in their respective HOST countries are only going to precipitate the resurgence of the ancient animosity of the nations.



Anonymous Dr. T May 08, 2017 1:31 PM  

Ironically it is islamisation which indirectly is bringing this problem to the Jews. People have always been willing to tolerate practices like kosher butchering and circumcision, as long as only a small minority was practicing them. But with the growing number of Muslims it is becoming too widespread to turn a blind eye any longer.

Anonymous Tipsy May 08, 2017 1:32 PM  

Fun fact: The "When in Rome.." saying is attributed to St. Ambrose. It was the advice he gave to St. Augustine concerning how to deal with the differing liturgical customs in Rome.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora May 08, 2017 1:34 PM  

I always assumed some of the kosher laws were intentionally humane, like not boiling a kid in its mother's milk. Not an expert on such things but I figured it was meant to prevent the Hebrews from degrading the bond between a mother and its child, even if it was between non-human animals. Form over substance I suppose.

Anonymous Eduardo May 08, 2017 1:34 PM  

Well, you can always go back to feudalism man!

Trust me, it would be fantastic and fix a ton of stuff in Europe including Immigration!

Oh oh... Feuds have WALLS!

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 08, 2017 1:35 PM  

Not a bad idea. Incidentally, the hajis come out looking significantly better than the Overseas Israelis do on this one. At least their response is relatively straightforward. Basically "Our religious law says we should do it this way." Contrast with the "Oy vey, it's like anuddah shoah!" weeping and wailing approach taken by the EJC.

Contrary to the progressive narrative, incessant victimhood-claiming is a much bigger problem than "victim blaming."

Anonymous p-dawg May 08, 2017 1:37 PM  

As long as you bleed the animal out after stunning it, I don't see anything in Scripture to indicate that you can't stun them first. If anyone else can, please let me know where. I don't care if it comes from some other source, though. I'm not a Jew. I'm only interested in Scripture.

Blogger Lazarus May 08, 2017 1:39 PM  

Norway is considering a ban on circumcision for boys under 16. Oy gevalt!

Anonymous Tipsy May 08, 2017 1:40 PM  

Solaire Of Astora wrote:I always assumed some of the kosher laws were intentionally humane, like not boiling a kid in its mother's milk.

From what I understand, all of the Levitical laws imposed after the "Golden Calf" incident were spiritual disciplines to prevent the Hebrews backsliding into paganism. The example you cite above was in fact a pagan religious practice.

Rabbi B, can you comment?

Blogger Rabbi B May 08, 2017 1:41 PM  

@9 Dr. T

"Ironically it is islamisation which indirectly is bringing this problem to the Jews."

It is our poor response to these types of things which is bringing the "problems".

@11 Solaire of Astora

"I always assumed some of the kosher laws were intentionally humane,..."

You are correct, it is more humane. Moreso than stunning, etc. .. but that is beside the point. Belgium and others are within their rights.

Blogger Some Dude May 08, 2017 1:46 PM  

They would rather set themselves on fire than live among their own low emapthy race.

Especually the jews. They hate one another.

Everyone wants to live around whites because theyre nice. Not because theyre rich per se.

Blogger Rabbi B May 08, 2017 1:47 PM  

Rabbi B, can you comment?

One of the main issues with kosher slaughter is dealing with the blood of the animal, the consumption of which is clearly forbidden in the Torah. Shechita (kosher slaughter) is a very detailed and complex process as far as Jewish law is concerned and it is concerned about much more than the "humanity" of the process.

Again, avoiding the consumption of the blood is a major element, as well as distancing ourselves from pagan practices.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 08, 2017 1:48 PM  

When in Rome, either do as the Romans or leave.

The essence of the problem is that invaders stop behaving like their hosts the moment they achieve some threshold of numbers/percentage. Naturally, they have to go back.

Ban the burka.
Ban animal torture for meat production.
Ban human sacrifice.
Ban cutting off little girls' genitalia.

Once convicted, EXPULSION. Once expelled, lifelong ban on return, backed by a sliding scale of bounties to be paid, dead or alive, on anyone convicted of such violent crime who sets foot on US soil.

I'd also prefer that anyone so expelled is expelled with their entire family. It's unjust to separate families. (wink)

Blogger VD May 08, 2017 1:48 PM  

Moreso than stunning, etc.

Speaking as someone who has actually been knocked out, that's not even remotely likely. No matter how fast you bleed out, you're going to feel the pain. You literally don't even notice the blow that KOs you.

Blogger Some Dude May 08, 2017 1:48 PM  

Id fucking love it if 100k gentiles somehow moved to israel and demanded black men to be plastered all over tv for diversity and agitated for open borders and wars against gentile enemies. The raised jewish pensioners. Love it.

Blogger Some Dude May 08, 2017 1:48 PM  

#then raided

Anonymous Rip May 08, 2017 1:52 PM  

Not being Jewish or Muslim, I'm not sure what the actual problem is. The stunned animals are still exsanguinated while the heart is beating, that's why they call it "stunning".

Blogger tz May 08, 2017 1:52 PM  

@15 ban (((MGM))) like FGM? Does Israel have anchor babies?

And where is PETA when you need them. They should push this at the Federal level, but also every state! It would be wonderful if the animal rights activists that complain about ranching would also push an anti-torture bill.

(Strictly speaking, the total amount of suffering either way isn't so much different, but then there's the question of whether the kosher meat processors who hire all the illegals don't have them adding pork or cheese to the "kosher" meat products).

Blogger JWM May 08, 2017 1:53 PM  

While I do not know the strictures of Kosher or halal slaughter, I have seen, firsthand, lambs and pigs dispatched by throat cutting. It was done by trained butchers. It is lightning fast. The sudden drop of blood pressure leaves the animal dead within seconds. It's over by the time they hit the ground. At the same slaughter I watched the butchers dispatch a steer with a .22 between the eyes. If anything, the knife was faster. I doubt whether whacking them over the head is any kinder.

JWM

Blogger Sheila4g May 08, 2017 1:55 PM  

I still recall the uproar after I inadvertently violated various kosher rules while babysitting for a neighbor. I was to prepare hotdogs for the kids, and instead of boiling them {which I found tasteless}, I browned them in a frying pan. Not only did I mix meat with milk, but I also used the wrong pan. She ended up throwing out the frying pan.

I grew up eating bacon and sausage and cheeseburgers and thank God for those delicious gifts to my palate. FWIW, a lot of Mideast food {halal or not} is quite tasty, but I'll happily forgo the food by deporting the people.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 08, 2017 1:55 PM  

@8 Rabbi B

You nailed it.

For all the justified kicking of libertarian thought, one tidbit that might save people [and (((peoples)))] from a lot of historic heartache would be observing the inverse of the Golden Rule:

"Don't do things to others that you don't want done to you."

(((Some people))) seem, for all their reported intellectual power, blind to this obvious concept.

Blogger tz May 08, 2017 1:55 PM  

@24 Technically "stunning" is like having a lame or otherwise crippled or diseased animal, even if it is only temporary, rendering it "unclean". If you read the OT, the passover lamb is to be without blemish, and in the Prophets, one complaint is the sacrifices were the sick animals.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 08, 2017 1:55 PM  

Oh, teh raycism! "You are here now, we do things this way, if you don't like it you are free to go back". Quelle Horreur!

Next up will be "Do it our way or go back".

Anonymous MendoScot May 08, 2017 1:57 PM  

Feel free to sign a petition to have it banned in the UK as well. We're close to 300K signatures.

Blogger Achilles May 08, 2017 1:57 PM  

Part of Belgium no longer has to pay the kosher tax. Sounds good.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2017 1:57 PM  

Having slaughtered a few animals, I'd say stunning is mandatory. It is your duty to the animal and anybody who'd refuse to stun an animal is merely cruel.

Of course, the idea of a duty to your livestock is probably just another White man dysfunction.

Blogger Rabbi B May 08, 2017 1:57 PM  

As long as we are in other countries where obtaining kosher meat is not possible or where kosher slaughter is outlawed, we could always follow the example of Daniel and eat only vegetables ... or we could go back.

My point is that our focus is wrong. We need to ask ourselves not how we can assert our "rights" at every turn and demand that we be accommodated by our hosts. In fact, I don't read much of anything about so-called rights in the Bible.

What we should be asking ourselves is are we behaving in a way makes us a light to the nations and not a stench. If we are persecuted for shining the light of the Torah, fine and good. But if we are championing and demanding our so-called rights in the name of equality from our respective host nations and cause His name to be blasphemed among the nations instead, well then, there is not much that is commendable in that regard.

The Jews need to learn when it's time to stop bothering the king.

"For I and my people have been sold to be destroyed, killed and annihilated. If we had merely been sold as male and female slaves, I would have kept quiet, because no such distress would justify disturbing the king.” (cf. Esther 7)

Blogger tz May 08, 2017 1:59 PM  

Last week one of the local ranches was castrating and branding the calves. I wonder how the animal rights activists would take that.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 08, 2017 1:59 PM  

@26 There are two methods AFAIK that are widely approved for euthanasia of animals:
1. OD with a barbiturate, usually via IV.
2. A bullet to the lower part of the brain, usually administered from behind the ear.

Throat-slitting and exsanguination was NOT among them.

Anonymous Rfvujm May 08, 2017 2:03 PM  

I've read about halal meat being related to taxes that have been tied to the Moslem Brotherhood and other terrorist organizations. But I've had trouble finding out exactly what happens with the kosher tax. How come damn near every packaged food product I buy has that K or U in a circle on it? The cost of Kosher certification gets passed on to the consumer, doesn't it? But where do the Kosher certification fees ultimately end up?

Blogger Phelps May 08, 2017 2:04 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:@8 (((Some people))) seem, for all their reported intellectual power, blind to this obvious concept.

That this is a rebellious people.

Blogger Some Dude May 08, 2017 2:04 PM  

Barbara lerner spector.

Very punchable.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 08, 2017 2:06 PM  

@26 A .22 between the eyes on a STEER?!

In Sane. A 45 ACP FMJ may ricochet off a skull that thick. I recall someone wanting to test 45 bullets and the abattoir absolutely prohibited RN FMJ because they'd nearly gotten an employee killed doing that. And the part of the brain you're trying to "turn off" is the brain stem and stuff above or below it, not the part behind the eyes.

Hunters note it all the time: DRT comes from hitting the base of the brain or the spine in the thoracic or neck area.

Anonymous Rip May 08, 2017 2:07 PM  

Stunning and exsanguination are the primary methods for slaughtering animals and are considered humane by the USDA, so throat slitting is exactly right. The animals are not shot in the lower part of the brain by a bullet, a stun gun which uses essentially a .22 caliber blank to shove a steel rod about 4 inches out is placed on the back of the animal's head (in the case of cattle) and the result is the animal drops onto a table made of rollers, where a chain is wrapped around a leg and the head is lowered while the throat is slit - the animal is still very much alive. The entire reason for this being the preferred method of slaughter is because you want the heart to pump as much blood out of the meat as possible. One reason (not the only one) that animals shot while hunting taste "gamey" is because of the excess amounts of blood that remain in the maet because the animal was actually killed prior to slaughter.

Blogger BunE22 May 08, 2017 2:07 PM  

"If Muslims want to eat halal meat, they can eat it in Saudi Arabia. If Jews want to eat kosher meat, they can eat it in Israel."

Amen!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2017 2:08 PM  

JWM wrote:At the same slaughter I watched the butchers dispatch a steer with a .22 between the eyes.
"Between the eyes" is wrong. The bullet will go between the frontal lobes and frequently directly out the back. The effective spot is behind the ear shooting toward the thickened skull plate above the eye. A .22 will bounce around, rendering the animal unconscious immediately. This will drop the animal far faster than exsanguination. Only problem is you have only about ten seconds to get the carotid slit while the heart is still beating.

Blogger Some Dude May 08, 2017 2:08 PM  

No. Demanding privelages and superiority is normal evolutionary instinct.

Nations rise and fall and dominate others and institute similar demands and laws.

The high iq berbers just did it with sophistry and scheming instead of fighting physically.

The italian mob was more honest.

Blogger Some Dude May 08, 2017 2:14 PM  

I notice gulf arabs are snide like jews. They like trolling what wih the 911 mosque or the promise to pay for refugee centers deapite not taking any syrians. Not as smart though. The arab elite are like our gentile elite. Vassals. The average arab hates the necromancer. But the gulf princes do business with jews. Ergo the trust fund class sells out ots people. Just like our paul ryans sell us out to the children of the corn.

You need a pretty high iq to work out that one. But it fits the facts sonce 911.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 08, 2017 2:18 PM  

"If a Christian baker doesn't have the religious freedom to not bake a cake, then an Aztec priest doesn't have the religious freedom to offer beating hearts to Huitzilopochtli, a Satanist warlock doesn't have the right to sacrifice a virgin to the Devil, and Jews and Muslims don't have the religious freedom to eat meat from tortured animals."

This sort of moral reasoning, with its implicit assumption that all rules should be universalized, does not seem to come naturally to the desert tribes. If the most important moral rule for your tribe is "Is it good for my people?" and you define your people as a subset of a greater, high-trust society, then you are not an asset to that society.

Blogger Phat Repat May 08, 2017 2:18 PM  

They are Not-Europeans just as they are Not-Americans; they must go, unequivocally. And this is where my disagreement with Taleb and his Minority Rule comes in. Yes, a majority will tolerate a minority for a period of time but, over time, the tolerable will become intolerable because they sense their way of life, their culture is being diluted and even spat upon. My only shock is the length of time it has taken, and may yet take, before sanity and civilization is restored in the West.

However, bring on the FinSys collapse ($IMFS), this might be the only way to avoid many more years of needless suffering by whites in the West. Frankly, I don't believe we're that far off; plan accordingly.

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 2:22 PM  

Dr. Temple Grandin studied kosher slaughter. She concluded that it is humane. I read that sometimes an animal remains fully conscious after stunning.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 08, 2017 2:23 PM  

this is where my disagreement with Taleb and his Minority Rule comes in.

Look at Taleb's background. Where does he come from?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 08, 2017 2:26 PM  

@Some Dude

Anti-racist Hitler:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lKDeyuM0-Og

Anonymous torpedo May 08, 2017 2:29 PM  

> permit them to engage in religious practices that

> Westerners find distasteful, cruel, or harmful

It is not only that they are performing rituals that westerners _find_ cruel, they are performing rituals westerners _aren't allowed_ performing.

If a westerner halal-slaughters an animal, he is jailed for animal cruelty. If Muhammad halal-slaughters an animal, it is just everyday business as usual.

Blogger VD May 08, 2017 2:32 PM  

Dr. Temple Grandin studied kosher slaughter. She concluded that it is humane.

I could not care less what some literal sperg concluded. The point is that it is LESS humane than the more human alternative.

We all know that people and animals die quickly from having their throats slit. But it's painful, it's not as fast as being KO'd, and no one is commending ISIS on the humanity of their beheadings.

"It's okay, throat slitting is actually more humane than hanging, a firing squad, or lethal injection."

Blogger tz May 08, 2017 2:34 PM  

I remember an EWWWW moment where chopped up animal matter was fed to cattle and chickens.

OTOH, if we did that with pork...

Also, I find it hypocritical, many jews here only observe passover and yom kippur / roshhashana, if that. They have no trouble either owning or patronizing a drive-through where you can get a sausage and cheese for saturday morning breakfast.

Complain to Soros.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 08, 2017 2:36 PM  

Perhaps the Walloons should be more considerate of the true judeo-islamic heritage of Europe, though. This sort of law enables a very toxic type of othering. Or something.

Anonymous Dan May 08, 2017 2:36 PM  

LOL!

Wherein I discover that I am an animal rights activist!

Blogger Achilles May 08, 2017 2:36 PM  

Now if we could just stop male genital mutilation here in the states. Make a full route of kosher meats.

Blogger Ron May 08, 2017 2:36 PM  

Speaking as a Satanic Warlock, if I find a good virgin, I'm not giving her to Satan.

Anonymous Bodo May 08, 2017 2:36 PM  

Also male circumcision on children. We banned it for girls. No reason to allow this on boys. If they want they can decide once they reach the age of 16 or 18.
But even some Jews in Israel see this as outdated.

Blogger Phat Repat May 08, 2017 2:37 PM  

@49 Your point is valid but his absolute disdain for Saudi Barbaria makes him an enemy of my enemy.

As an aside, would like to see VD address the Kushner distraction that GE finds himself. Credibility will be called to question if the GE doesn't begin to address the Gorillas in his midst.

Blogger tz May 08, 2017 2:38 PM  

@52 - It's called the guillotine, though it goes a bit deeper than most throat slitting. Those inventive French from the enlightenment...

If it was good enough for Sts. Paul and Thomas More...

Blogger tz May 08, 2017 2:40 PM  

to extend @53, it was over mad-cow disease and prions. I forgot to add that as my urge to sperge had a lapse.

Blogger Shimshon May 08, 2017 2:41 PM  

I disagree with your assessment of kosher slaughter but that's neither here nor there. Below is what I wrote a friend after reading about the ban the other day.


Walloonia bans kosher slaughter, and the whining commences. It was painful to read every single quote by a Jewish figure in the article. Why, they can't do this, because it sends a signal that they don't like us!

Hint: they don't.

If this is just a first step to the ovens, as you (and they nearly all did imply such) say, why on earth are you not leaving right this moment?!

What an embarrassment.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 08, 2017 2:41 PM  

Sperging over how to kill animals is surely entertaining, but the bigger picture is obvious. Part of Belgium has told colonizers "we don't do that. You need to stop". Next up, "If you can't stop you need to go back". Progress.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2017 2:41 PM  

Phat Repat wrote:As an aside, would like to see VD address the Kushner distraction that GE finds himself. Credibility will be called to question if the GE doesn't begin to address the Gorillas in his midst.
As an aside, I wish Phat Rephat would keep it zipped.

Blogger JACIII May 08, 2017 2:43 PM  

Will they listen Rabbi B?

Anonymous basementhomebrewer May 08, 2017 2:44 PM  

Rip wrote:Stunning and exsanguination are the primary methods for slaughtering animals and are considered humane by the USDA, so throat slitting is exactly right. The animals are not shot in the lower part of the brain by a bullet, a stun gun which uses essentially a .22 caliber blank to shove a steel rod about 4 inches out is placed on the back of the animal's head (in the case of cattle) and the result is the animal drops onto a table made of rollers, where a chain is wrapped around a leg and the head is lowered while the throat is slit - the animal is still very much alive. The entire reason for this being the preferred method of slaughter is because you want the heart to pump as much blood out of the meat as possible. One reason (not the only one) that animals shot while hunting taste "gamey" is because of the excess amounts of blood that remain in the maet because the animal was actually killed prior to slaughter.

I thought that it was more so to do with how tense the animal was before death. If it is stressed the cocktail of chemicals that get sent to it's muscles leads to the gamey flavor. I will admit I am not an expert so maybe draining the blood pulls the chemicals with it.


Rfvujm wrote:I've read about halal meat being related to taxes that have been tied to the Moslem Brotherhood and other terrorist organizations. But I've had trouble finding out exactly what happens with the kosher tax. How come damn near every packaged food product I buy has that K or U in a circle on it? The cost of Kosher certification gets passed on to the consumer, doesn't it? But where do the Kosher certification fees ultimately end up?

They generally get paid to a Rabbi, at least that is my experience. It is true that generally everyone ends up paying for the extra effort. The reason is that it is easier to either keep running with the Kosher products or have a separate manufacturing line than it is to constantly have the Rabbi back out to re-certify a line after change over between Kosher and non-kosher products.

From my experience at at a small manufacturer we paid the Rabbi the equivalent of an upper middle class salary every year. That was just for our plant which he was only at for a couple hours a month. I have no idea how many other plants he visited.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2017 2:44 PM  

Shimshon wrote:If this is just a first step to the ovens, as you (and they nearly all did imply such) say, why on earth are you not leaving right this moment?!


Because they don't believe in the ovens. The ovens are a convenient means to get the Goyim to jump through the correct hoops. That's all. Even the Jews actually leaving Europe are leaving because of the Arabs, not the Whites.

Blogger Shimshon May 08, 2017 2:47 PM  

@21 "Speaking as someone who has actually been knocked out, that's not even remotely likely. No matter how fast you bleed out, you're going to feel the pain. You literally don't even notice the blow that KOs you."

Vox, from what I've read, the right kind of cut of the main arteries/veins in the neck can decrease blood pressure so quickly that what you think you see as experiencing pain is nothing of the sort.

Blogger Phat Repat May 08, 2017 2:48 PM  

@64 Snively Dipslash wrote:
As an aside, I wish Phat Rephat would keep it zipped.

You first.

Blogger Rob May 08, 2017 2:48 PM  

The Jews have been Kosher slaughtering animals in Europe 1000+ years in various "Jewish Quarters" in cities and towns across Europe.

No one gave a damn until mosques with minarets taller than the local Churches started popping up.

Blogger Rabbi B May 08, 2017 2:49 PM  

@62 Shimshon

It was painful to read every single quote by a Jewish figure in the article ... What an embarrassment.

Yes it was. Cringeworthiness exceeded 9000.

Blogger VD May 08, 2017 2:52 PM  

Vox, from what I've read, the right kind of cut of the main arteries/veins in the neck can decrease blood pressure so quickly that what you think you see as experiencing pain is nothing of the sort.

That sounds like little more than self-justifying bullshit to me. I repeat: there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that conscious throat-slitting is as painless as being knocked out. And unless you've been both KO'd and had your throat slit properly, your opinion is obviously less relevant than mine.

Being knocked out doesn't hurt a bit. In fact, it hurts a lot less than being punched in the face and not getting knocked out. It's instant lights-out.

Blogger Salt May 08, 2017 2:54 PM  

basementhomebrewer wrote:I thought that it was more so to do with how tense the animal was before death. If it is stressed the cocktail of chemicals that get sent to it's muscles leads to the gamey flavor

When I was in St. Barts they'd often slaughter two cows at the water's edge. The second cow got to watch the first cow get it between the eyes. Everyone in the restaurants said the meat was different between them. The heads would be thrown into the ocean. The Thresher sharks came in at night.

Blogger Balázs Varga May 08, 2017 2:55 PM  

I do not see why they can't just stun the animal first, than bleed it? Seems like a win win for both animal rights and jewish religious leaders.

Blogger VD May 08, 2017 2:58 PM  

I'd be ever so slightly inclined to take the Jewish position on the humane nature of throat-slitting more seriously if that was how Israel carried out capital punishment. But they don't. They hang instead.

Was it humane or was it barbaric how Daniel Pearl was murdered? Did they just go about it the wrong way?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2017 2:59 PM  

Balázs Varga wrote:I do not see why they can't just stun the animal first, than bleed it? Seems like a win win for both animal rights and jewish religious leaders.
Back in your place, goy. Don't you dare criticize or object.

Blogger Rabbi B May 08, 2017 3:00 PM  

@65 JACIII

Will they listen Rabbi B?

It will take drastic measures, I'm afraid. When our people distance themselves as far as they have from the Torah, nothing remains in proper perspective and nothing short of humbling ourselves and a complete return to Him will suffice.

If G-d has to use the nations as a scourge to accomplish this, so be it. It's not like it hasn't happened before. Since when does any man ever prosper when they continually put G-d behind their back?

How much more then those called to be a light to the nations. G-d will have His way. He always does.

Blogger Shimshon May 08, 2017 3:01 PM  

@72 "That sounds like little more than self-justifying bullshit to me."

As I said, neither here nor there. (((They))) have to go back. Let a thousand kosher slaughter bans bloom. Although I hope they don't ban it in South America, as much of the meat we buy in Israel is imported from there.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper May 08, 2017 3:03 PM  

Good for the Walloons for making some effort to preserve their culture

Blogger dc.sunsets May 08, 2017 3:04 PM  

Has no one studied anatomy? While the jugular vein is fairly close to the surface, all major arteries (carotids) are basically behind the trachea.

PLEASE try telling me that slicing through that much cartilage is pain-free.

It's all off-topic anyway. I don't care if the reason for the ban is because three schoolgirls somewhere read about it and fainted, it's a GREAT way to reinforce the POWER of stating the obvious:

Do it the way we agree, or GO SOMEWHERE ELSE to do it the way you want.

No one is saying, "You can't do that." They're saying, "You can't do that HERE."

Blogger Happy LP9 May 08, 2017 3:05 PM  

Thank you, this post helps ruin my appetite which is always appreciated.

Kosher is stamped everywhere, are millions made to ensure something is kosher approved?

The next thing American will have to address is how Islam will demand Halalol approval stamps and money paid to them, more financial rape in America and more money to fund our own demise.

Deport Islam.

There is no allowance for the absurd dietary stuff. Time for some to go back home and leave Americans alone, our sensibilities are grossed out then again diversity and weirdness is a successful norm. Its time for islam and Jews engaging in the grotesque to vulgar to sit down with the animal welfare leagues of the world, PETA and antifa, surely those 3 groups can take on these atrocities.

Blogger VD May 08, 2017 3:06 PM  

As I said, neither here nor there.

Oh, I know we agree on the omni-nationalist aspects. That's just the sort of "study" that pings my BS detector, because there is no objective measure for pain and it's a little hard to poll people who are bleeding out after having their throats slit.

Anonymous kfg May 08, 2017 3:06 PM  

"I've had trouble finding out exactly what happens with the kosher tax."

You didn't look in Exodus. It's the due of the priestly caste (the tribe of Levi) in lieu of a land inheritance.

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 3:10 PM  

I recall that shr snd hrt collaborator said it id painless.

Blogger tz May 08, 2017 3:12 PM  

We need to force Jewish and Muslim bakeries to use Bacon Powder and Lard if the customers desire it.

Blogger Shimshon May 08, 2017 3:12 PM  

"Was it humane or was it barbaric how Daniel Pearl was murdered? Did they just go about it the wrong way?"

The knife used for slaughter is surgical in its sharpness. If even a single tiny knick is present on the blade, it renders the slaughter invalid. Also, if the killing stroke isn't a single quick motion. My understanding is a clean cut inflicted by such a knife takes a relatively long time to register nervously, and by then the blood pressure is already gone. You disagree, because knocked out.

Had Daniel Pearl been killed in that manner, it would have still been barbaric, because murder. But he would've died pain-free. There is no question his killers were that merciful to him.

Killing animals is gruesome business no matter how done. I accept that. Pass me the rare steak please.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 08, 2017 3:15 PM  

@73 I don't hunt but my avid hunter friends inform me that the gamey taste is usually due to a failure to COOL the carcass quickly, or harvesting an animal that has been running (and building up lactic acid in its muscles.)

Many casual hunters don't do what's best to preserve the quality of the meat because they just drop off "a deer" and get back meat that may or may not be from the animal they harvested.

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 3:21 PM  

I've cut myself with razors accidentally and didn't feel it for a while. A shechita knife is sharper than a razor.

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 3:26 PM  

Maybe eichman deserved a painful death. And isnt hanging usually instantanious?

Blogger dc.sunsets May 08, 2017 3:27 PM  

@86 by then the blood pressure is already gone.

This I sincerely DOUBT.
1. A cut deep enough to get the carotids would cut vast amounts of cartilage and muscle.
2. Those cutting carotid arteries would be SHOWERED in blood. Few people have any idea how much blood gushes from an arterial cut, much less how far it sprays. Bisected carotids would send blood probably twenty feet away. I watched an artery a tenth that size spray a wall five feet away, several feet higher, and superficial arterioles would invariably spray me in the eye (Murphy's Law) when I worked in research.
3. Cutting only the jugular vein would take some time, nowhere near instant, to drop blood pressure below the level of consciousness.
4. Heck, a person in full V fib is still conscious for a good 5 seconds as I understand it.
5. As you note, no sense in arguing all this.

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 3:28 PM  

Nobody demands a kosher stamp. The companies decide if it is worth their while. Like with gluten free, non-gmo, organic.

Anonymous Grave Digger May 08, 2017 3:30 PM  

How come there is no movement at all in the US to identify Jews as a problem, to deport them, to vilify them, to cut off Kosher food or anything remotely like that?

Blogger Rabbi B May 08, 2017 3:32 PM  

@92 Grave Digger

Patience, young grasshopper, patience.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 08, 2017 3:33 PM  

dc.sunsets
No one is saying, "You can't do that." They're saying, "You can't do that HERE."

In practical terms it means halal kebab in Wallonnia will use meat from animals slaughtered in France, the French speaking part of Belgium, Holland, etc. Ditto kosher. The whining is far out of proportion to the actual cost.

The symbolism is most excellent. The whining over that is musical.

Anonymous Michael Maier May 08, 2017 3:34 PM  

Ironically it is islamisation which indirectly is bringing this problem to the Jews. People have always been willing to tolerate practices like kosher butchering and circumcision, as long as only a small minority was practicing them. But with the growing number of Muslims it is becoming too widespread to turn a blind eye any longer.

Yeah... gotta let those pedos, errrr, I mean Eskimo Leaders slurp on freshly-sliced baby wangs....

How else will infant boys get herpes?

Anonymous kfg May 08, 2017 3:35 PM  

"Killing animals is gruesome business no matter how done."

adjective: gruesome

causing repulsion or horror; grisly.

Maybe you just haven't figured out how to do it right.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents May 08, 2017 3:36 PM  

@92
How come you troll so badly?

Blogger Robert What? May 08, 2017 3:36 PM  

"Moshe Kantor told The Independent it sends a terrible message to Jewish communities throughout Europe that Jews are unwanted."

Well, duh!

Anonymous Tipsy May 08, 2017 3:36 PM  

Rabbi B wrote: Since when does any man ever prosper when they continually put G-d behind their back?

Ve'imru amen!

This, by the way, works at a personal level as well as a national one, as I can attest.

Blogger Chris Mallory May 08, 2017 3:37 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:Ban the burka.

Ban animal torture for meat production.

Ban human sacrifice.

Ban cutting off little girls' genitalia.



Not quite far enough. We must ban the mutilation of male genitals as well. Little boys should not have their genitals maimed to satisfy Middle Eastern and African cultures/religions.

Anonymous rienzi May 08, 2017 3:37 PM  

The chemist, and discoverer of oxygen, Antoine Lavoisier was guillotined in 1794. He had made a deal with some friends that he would blink as long as possible after the blade fell. The story is that he blinked for as long as thirty seconds. Other such stories from the great terror abound.

While these accounts may be greatly exaggerated, it seems that your head remain conscious, if even for a few seconds, after being removed from your body. A simple throat cutting would take much longer.

A four inch steel rod into the back of your brain is going to put you out immediately.

Blogger Charles Martel May 08, 2017 3:38 PM  

@92

Somebody (I dare not say who) long ago devised a brilliant control system in Washington whereby the weaknesses (which are usually of a sexual nature, and quite often of the unnatural kind) of newly-elected Congressmen are set up, caught in the flagrante delicto act, and then informed of the crisis they have gotten themselves into, to wit, that they will vote as they are instructed to or they will find themselves professionally ruined and, most important to the Congressmen, given a one-way ticket out of Washington. It's worked brilliantly over the years. It's working brilliantly right now.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella May 08, 2017 3:39 PM  

So the priest who was saying mass in France- he was kosher-slaughtered?

Mongolia for the Mongols, Hungary for the Huns, Israel for the Jews.

And, Taleb is disturbing- so close to almost Western, and yet so far. He's the best argument, to me, for how disturbing the valley of the uncanny is.

Anonymous Grave Digger May 08, 2017 3:42 PM  

@CharlesMartel

That doesn't explain why there is no movement at all among non politicians to see Jews in the US addressed.

Blogger Sheila4g May 08, 2017 3:43 PM  

@91NathAn Schuster:"Nobody demands a kosher stamp. The companies decide if it is worth their while. Like with gluten free, non-gmo, organic."

It's not a matter of "worth their while." See Taleb's "Fooled by Randomness." It's the most intolerant or stubborn minority wins. See: Jews and Arabs.

Blogger Sheila4g May 08, 2017 3:46 PM  

@66 basementhomebrewer: "From my experience at at a small manufacturer we paid the Rabbi the equivalent of an upper middle class salary every year. That was just for our plant which he was only at for a couple hours a month. I have no idea how many other plants he visited."

This raises a very good question. Who certifies the rabbis who do this {i.e. what branch of Judaism}? How many hours a week do they work and how much do they make? Do they keep their full salary or does a portion go to their home organization? Just another way the 2% is subsidized by the rest.

Anonymous Dennis Pragerism May 08, 2017 3:46 PM  

The Lord sayeth that anyone that curses the Jews will be cursed. (Genesis 12:3)

Vox Day is now cursed.

Blogger Vikki Wilson May 08, 2017 3:48 PM  

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Blogger Jew613 May 08, 2017 3:49 PM  

NathAn Schuster wrote:Maybe eichman deserved a painful death. And isnt hanging usually instantanious?

If the hanging is done correctly the neck breaks and the death is very fast. If its done wrong the executed suffers.

I think the ban is somewhat pointless as the entire Jewish population of Belgium is only 33,000 so honestly how much kosher slaughter was going on anyway?

But its their country they can run it how they want, and if it encourages Jews to come home to Israel now rather then when the situation gets much worse then so much the better.

Blogger DonReynolds May 08, 2017 3:49 PM  

When British General Gordon served in India, it was still the Hindu religious practice to put the widow on the funeral pyre of the dead husband. She was normally still alive and was burned to death at her husband's funeral.
When General Gordon objected. The Hindus demanded to be able, as citizens of the Empire, to be permitted to freely practice their own religion, as guaranteed by the Crown.
General Gordon agreed.
The Hindu could continue to practice their religion of putting the widows on the funeral pyres of their dead husband.
AND General Gordon would practice HIS religion, which requires him to hang people who do such things.
Now everyone is practicing their religion.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2017 3:51 PM  

Sheila4g wrote:It's not a matter of "worth their while." See Taleb's "Fooled by Randomness." It's the most intolerant or stubborn minority wins.
And by outlawing their barbaric practices, Whites can assert our cultural dominance. At a practical level it means nothing, If every civilized country outlawed the practice, Israel and KSA would import live sheep by the millions to slaughter, freeze and ship around the world. But on the level of rhetoric it is an extremely powerful statement.
"We're not going to tolerate it any more. This is our country, and you have to comply with the larger culture."

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 3:51 PM  

Food msnufacturers decide if they want their products to be kosher, based on whether it will increase their bottom line. Nobody demands that a manufacturer make kosher food. It's purely a business decision.

Blogger Rabbi B May 08, 2017 3:54 PM  

Vox Day is now cursed.

(((BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH)))

Blogger Vikki Wilson May 08, 2017 3:56 PM  

Hilarious.
Just as with Muslims in their many countries, Westerners SHOULD expect that (their few,vestigial) consensus norms such as those preventing cruelty will be complied with.
People may be interested in N.N. Taleb’s astute reading of how it is that a tiny minority can suborn a whole nation into eating halal.
Nassim Nicholas Taleb
“The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority “
Medium. https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15

Blogger Jew613 May 08, 2017 4:03 PM  

Sheila4g wrote:@66 basementhomebrewer: "From my experience at at a small manufacturer we paid the Rabbi the equivalent of an upper middle class salary every year. That was just for our plant which he was only at for a couple hours a month. I have no idea how many other plants he visited."

This raises a very good question. Who certifies the rabbis who do this {i.e. what branch of Judaism}? How many hours a week do they work and how much do they make? Do they keep their full salary or does a portion go to their home organization? Just another way the 2% is subsidized by the rest.


Pretty much all the kashrut organizations are Orthodox, since only the Orthodox follow the dietary laws. There were a few Conservative kashrut organizations but I dont know if they still exist.

Most of the money goes back to the organization. A mashgiach is generally working full time and they dont make that much. The kashrut organizations generally provide other religious services much of the money goes to pay for that.

As for why companies that are not Jewish owned bother to get a kashrut certification this is a story a heard from a mashgiach who was involved, so take it as an anecdote I believe is reliable.

A major chicken egg distribution company approached one of the largest kashrut organizations and requested a certification. When it was explained to the company reps that chicken eggs are inherently kosher and dont need any certification the company responded that was fine but they wanted the cert anyway as they believed it would increase sales. So they paid for the cert and got the symbol.

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 4:03 PM  

Rabbis are ordained by a Yeshiva. Most superviosion is done by agencies that drnd representatives to spot check. They are paid by the agency. A Jewish owned company might hire a full time supervisor, because some people want a more stringent type of supervision. You can google it if you like.

Blogger Nick S May 08, 2017 4:07 PM  

Good Periscope. The Constitution may be a dead letter, but it's not useless yet. The left is able to effectively leverage it and wield it like a cudgel. There's no reason we shouldn't seek to do the same until becomes wholly inert. If we simply allow them to commit social suicide without trying to stop them, we all go down with the mixed metaphors.

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 4:18 PM  

I read thst stunning poultry doesn't always work well. Where does that fit in?

Blogger DonReynolds May 08, 2017 4:22 PM  

I understand cruelty, not that I am considered a cruel person. But I know that what is considered cruel is very different from one society to the next, even across time in the same society.

What we now consider cruel and barbaric punishments met out to sailors in the British Navy in 18th century.....the lash, branding, and the like, were actually considered "humane reforms" at the time. On land, the same offense was often punished by death, so an ass-beating or small branding iron seems much more measured than the punishments the same offense would earn on land.

Americans are usually shocked and revolted by the cruel behaviors of other societies. This was true ever since colonists landed on these shores and encountered the fierce American Indians, yet the Indians were just as cruel to their own people and the outrages visited on white settlers were not special or unusual.

Having very little experience with being bombed from the air, Americans do not tend to see aerial bombing as particularly cruel or violent or brutal. But when ISIS beheads a score of people with a sword or burns a few to death in an iron cage, Americans think it is the height of cruelty.

To the Japanese in WWII, death by fire was the most fearsome thing in the world. So American obliged them by using flamethrowers, napalm bombs, and white phosphorus. At the end of the war, the Japanese surrendered to the might of an "inhuman" atomic bomb....which was a thermo device.

Anonymous glosoli May 08, 2017 4:30 PM  

I feel sick after reading this thread.
All that talk of Jews, inevitable really.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 08, 2017 4:33 PM  

I'd rather return to the point: People who prefer very foreign norms should remain where they're normed. Or go back.

I don't hunt, but have no moral aversion to it (which would be remarkably hypocritical as I enjoy meat.) Hunting isn't particularly free of pain and suffering either.

Neither Eden nor Utopia is our destination on Earth. We have to stop trying to make it so, and simply concentrate on being better neighbors, i.e., with HIGH FENCES.

Blogger VD May 08, 2017 4:38 PM  

How come there is no movement at all in the US to identify Jews as a problem, to deport them, to vilify them, to cut off Kosher food or anything remotely like that?

Wrong question. Ask yourself why the Jewish elite are making plans for US Jews to leave the USA.

Blogger VD May 08, 2017 4:40 PM  

The Lord sayeth that anyone that curses the Jews will be cursed. (Genesis 12:3)

Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight.
- Proverbs 12:22

Contrary to your lying claim, I have not cursed anyone.

Anonymous BBGKB May 08, 2017 4:49 PM  

it sends a terrible message to Jewish communities throughout Europe that Jews are unwanted

Perhaps he should wait for the trains

"let them bake cake" is now my standard rhetorical response to all religious minorities whining about their nonexistent religious rights

I know Steve Crowder did hidden camera videos of moslem bakeries not willing to bake cakes but what about jewish bakeries?

Norway is considering a ban on circumcision for boys under 16. Oy gevalt!

That might end up getting a lot more recruits to whatever they call the guy who hacks it off and sucks on it
http://www.jewworldorder.org/rabbi-a-romi-cohn-has-sucked-25000-baby-penises-its-a-joyous-occasion/

arteries/veins in the neck can decrease blood pressure so quickly that what you think you see as experiencing pain is nothing of the sort

There have been rare cases of people being paralyzed but still able to feel pain during surgery.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/PainManagement/story?id=3937101&page=1

'Awareness under general anesthetic is a rare condition that occurs when surgical patients can recall their surroundings or an event -- sometimes even pain -- related to their surgery while anesthetized'

Nobody demands a kosher stamp. The companies decide if it is worth their while.

Boy scouts won the supreme court in 2000 but 1k+Jewish lawfare attacks forced them to take trannies last January. I think it was in Philly that scouts faced enough lawsuits over their now high value property till the point they just gave up after several wins in court.

It was painful to read every single quote by a Jewish figure in the article

How do you think I felt when Vice principle Zach Ruff came out while being recorded cursing out pro life students last week.

I don't hunt but my avid hunter friends inform me that the gamey taste is usually due to a failure to COOL the carcass quickly

You would think more people would approve of salt licks.

. Ask yourself why the Jewish elite are making plans for US Jews to leave the USA.

Have the jewish elite ever treated the little jews as more than cannon fodder?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2017 4:51 PM  

VD wrote:Contrary to your lying claim, I have not cursed anyone.
Vox, just as anti-Semitism is when a Jew hates you, "cursing the Jews" is saying anything that a Jew objects to.

Blogger weka May 08, 2017 4:52 PM  

Belgium has a converged and dying elite. May these measures ensure the elite leave with the Jews and Mohammedans

Blogger Were-Puppy May 08, 2017 5:00 PM  

"it sends a terrible message to Jewish communities throughout Europe that Jews are unwanted."
---

Start passing out copies of the Spanish Inquisition by Henry Kamen so they can really feel unwanted.

And everybody else will say, "Wait a minute! Didn't we get rid of you already? How did you sneak back in here??"

Anonymous Mr. Rational May 08, 2017 5:03 PM  

tz wrote:(Strictly speaking, the total amount of suffering either way isn't so much different
On the contrary.  Captive-bolt stunning destroys the brain; there's nothing left to experience sensations.  Electric stunning stops the heart and causes a grand-mal seizure which isn't over before anoxia sets in.  CO2 stunning is just anoxia, out like a light.

Temple Grandin narrates short films on these subjects.  They're not for the weak of heart, but they're on YouTube if you're up to them.

tz wrote:If you read the OT, the passover lamb is to be without blemish
A slit throat is definitely a blemish.  Why is a hole from a captive bolt any worse/different?

Then you have electric stunning and anoxia, which leave no marks.  What's the excuse for not using those?

Anonymous johnc May 08, 2017 5:10 PM  

Somebody from the USDA wrote in to Ann Barnhardt awhile ago (she knows just a wee bit about the cattle industry) and said that the halal slaughterhouses are completely disgusting filthholes with a ton of violations but the USDA doesn't want to make a ruckus by shutting them down, so they look the other way. It's a bit OT but I mention it just in case any of you are ever out to eat and see halal meat listed on a menu somewhere. Go with the salad.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable May 08, 2017 5:19 PM  

Rabbi B wrote:Vox Day is now cursed.

(((BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH)))


I'm pretty sure this constitutes an official rabbinical curse-waiver in any case.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy May 08, 2017 5:26 PM  

Mr. Rational wrote:CO2 stunning is just anoxia, out like a light.
Carbon dioxide burns the mucous membranes, though not as much as HCN or H2S. Perhaps you're thinking of nitrogen?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 08, 2017 5:27 PM  

@Snidely Whiplash

"If every civilized country outlawed the practice, Israel and KSA would import live sheep by the millions to slaughter, freeze and ship around the world."

Hey, they'd still have the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, too:

http://russiatrek.org/jewish-autonomous-oblast

Blogger Cail Corishev May 08, 2017 5:44 PM  

I read that stunning poultry doesn't always work well.

I've killed a lot of chickens, and never thought of trying to stun them. Seems like that would be hard to do, but I'll have to look into it. We poke through the jugular, and if you do it right, they bleed out pretty quickly with a few seconds of struggle. It's not a fun task, but has to be done, so you want to cause as little distress as possible.

For larger animals, the bolt-and-drain method used by normal butchers seems best. As someone mentioned, the captive bolt gun (like they use to put down injured horses on race tracks) fires a retractable bolt that destroys part of the brain, instantly rendering the animal unconscious, but allowing the heart to continue beating for a bit to pump out blood.

Some say that stunning/shooting first is bad because the stress of being stunned/shot releases stress chemicals into the blood and affects the meat. I think that's unlikely when it's done as described, because it all happens too quickly for that. There's a big difference between stunning an animal and immediately hoisting it and cutting its throat, versus shooting a deer and having it stumble around in the woods for an hour before dropping.

Besides, if you've ever hung a live, kicking, squealing, 300-pound hog up by its back feet and cut its throat.... well, let's just say that's not a stress-free procedure either.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer May 08, 2017 5:46 PM  


Most of the money goes back to the organization. A mashgiach is generally working full time and they dont make that much. The kashrut organizations generally provide other religious services much of the money goes to pay for that.


I figured as much. The check got cut to the organization on a quarterly basis and it came up in the quarterly financial reviews from time to time. I always thought it was awfully steep for what we were getting but we were an intermediate product producer so we had to supply what the end manufacturer requested and that was usually a requirement. It was such a nuisance operationally we often sold kosher product to someone requesting non-kosher at the lower price rather than running the cheaper non-kosher input products and paying for re-certification afterwards.

Anonymous Jamie May 08, 2017 5:48 PM  

Proof once again that whites are the only people on earth who actually care about the well being of animals. Leftist whites who cheer on their own people's downfall would be wise to realize how bad things would get without us around. Muslims don't care about animals, Africans don't care , the Chinese especially don't care. Nice liberal white ladies of the West who love nothing more than their dogs and cats really should learn this lesson.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 08, 2017 5:53 PM  

@72 VD

Being knocked out doesn't hurt a bit. In fact, it hurts a lot less than being punched in the face and not getting knocked out. It's instant lights-out.
---

My couple times I didn't even know what had happened.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 08, 2017 6:02 PM  

@107 Dennis Pragerism
The Lord sayeth that anyone that curses the Jews will be cursed. (Genesis 12:3)

Vox Day is now cursed.
---

The Old Testament doesn't work on white people. Or is that Voodoo that doesn't work on white people?

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 6:05 PM  

Aren't white people okay with hunting? I have to believe it is more painful than shechita. And i hear that lots of bad stuff happens to calves abd chickens and such on factory farms.

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 6:07 PM  

So why didnt your company end it?

Blogger Rabbi B May 08, 2017 6:38 PM  

@130. 5343 Kinds of Deplorable

I'm pretty sure this constitutes an official rabbinical curse-waiver in any case.

Indeed. But King Solomon said it best:

Like a fluttering sparrow or a darting swallow, an undeserved curse does not come to rest. (cf. Proverbs 26)



Blogger Tino May 08, 2017 6:47 PM  

@122 - From every Nation, Vox, EVERY Nation. My last name, though I am Roman Catholic nominally, is very Jewish sounding, and relatives/friends on 3 continents are giving the exact same harbinger....

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable May 08, 2017 6:58 PM  

Rabbi B wrote:@130. 5343 Kinds of Deplorable

I'm pretty sure this constitutes an official rabbinical curse-waiver in any case.

Indeed. But King Solomon said it best:

Like a fluttering sparrow or a darting swallow, an undeserved curse does not come to rest. (cf. Proverbs 26)



That's excellent. I'm going to use that.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 08, 2017 7:11 PM  

@131 I concur. Nitrogen.

We breathe not because of a lack of oxygen but because of an excess of CO2 (causes acidification of the blood.) If we were in a 100% CO2 atmosphere we'd be gasping for breath in no time, and asphyxiate in a very unpleasant way.

Saturation with N would be like going to sleep, I'd guess.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 08, 2017 7:41 PM  

I've never bled an animal I killed but I do have a strong preference for hunting larger animals in cold weather (which is pretty scarce here some years) so that I don't have to do anything special to cool them down. In every case they still have that gamey taste, which I usually like.

I've heard lots of theories about why deer taste gamey but I don't claim to know for sure. One explanation is that the taste is due to leaving musk glands attached while butchering; another is that the taste is influenced the animal's diet. I do know that New Zealand farm-raised, grass fed venison, which they call cervena, tastes much milder than any other venison I've had.

Anonymous Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2017 7:55 PM  

NathAn Schuster wrote:Aren't white people okay with hunting? I have to believe it is more painful than shechita. And i hear that lots of bad stuff happens to calves abd chickens and such on factory farms.
The point is, NathAnne, you have to go back.

Blogger Daniel May 08, 2017 7:57 PM  

Someone pls make the difficult decission meme with the red buttoms where the duda has to choose between being mean to animals and being islamophobic. Pls

Blogger Gospace May 08, 2017 8:15 PM  

http://www.grandin.com/ritual/kosher.slaugh.html
Well, there's been lots of studies done to determine the least painful way to kill our meals. Don't really care if my beef is kosher or not, as long as it's well marbled and cooked rare, preferably over charcoal. And when I'm buying it, I want it packaged well, not on the hoof. Slaughterhouses in the U.S. are preparing meat of different kinds for a few hundred million people a day. I imagine the mechanism for stunning them prior to the kill, regardless of method used, isn't perfect, and some fraction of animals aren't properly stunned. Oh, well.

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 8:16 PM  

Isn't your reply a non-sequitor?

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass May 08, 2017 8:23 PM  

Being a hunter myself, processing meat can be done but is time consuming and expensive to get started. It's worth the effort. It's an open secret that the commercial processors keep the best meat for themselves.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 08, 2017 8:24 PM  

My favorite variation of the bake me a cake meme is when George Takai is posting stupid crap on twitter. It's always good to tweet - "Bake me a MAGA cake"

Anonymous A.B. Prosper May 08, 2017 8:25 PM  

This I sincerely DOUBT.
1. A cut deep enough to get the carotids would cut vast amounts of cartilage and muscle.
2. Those cutting carotid arteries would be SHOWERED in blood. Few people have any idea how much blood gushes from an arterial cut, much less how far it sprays. Bisected carotids would send blood probably twenty feet away. I watched an artery a tenth that size spray a wall five feet away, several feet higher, and superficial arterioles would invariably spray me in the eye (Murphy's Law) when I worked in research.
3. Cutting only the jugular vein would take some time, nowhere near instant, to drop blood pressure below the level of consciousness.
4. Heck, a person in full V fib is still conscious for a good 5 seconds as I understand it.
5. As you note, no sense in arguing all this.

Curiously, I have experience with Kosher butchers even though I'm not a Jew

From experience with a Kosher butcher, when I was youngish the family bought a small farm that included sheep and chickens.

Chicken slaughter I did myself , old school with an axe. Not fun Sheep slaughter OTOH was not something I was trained to do

So we asked the previous owners if they had a butcher they recommended. They gave us a number , he came out, cut the sheep's throat, took the carcass away and processed it. easy peasey

What we didn't know is they were Jewish since we thought they they were homeschool hippies or that the butcher was Jewish

This being way before the Internet , none of us knew anything about small scale slaughter practices or we might have chosen a different butcher.

The entire slaughter was done away from the other sheep , was fast and fairly humane with a lot less blood than I would have expected from a cut throat

Now some years later I'm yakking with some WN types on a blog and discussed slaughter practices and the incident and whoo boy, I learned a lot about the culture of animal slaughter that day . Well live and learn.

I'm not bothered by such methods at least for sheep though no doubt other methods are somewhat less cruel but I also highly support European crackdowns on Kosher and Halal practices as a fine way to reinforce the culture and if people don't want to live under those strictures, they can pack it up and go home or go vegetarian

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass May 08, 2017 8:25 PM  

My dad while in med school had to do an arterial clamp on a guy's carotid. It failed. He said the blood came out like a fire hose and was spraying about 10-15 ft away

Anonymous Grave Digger May 08, 2017 8:41 PM  

"The point is, NathAnne, you have to go back."

If there is no "from", then there is no "back" to go to. And that's the case with the vast majority of Jews. One wonders if the "you-have-to-go-back" crew knows how stupid they sound, but just don't care.

Anonymous Grave Digger May 08, 2017 8:44 PM  

"Isn't your reply a non-sequitor?"

LOL....Yes....it is

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 8:52 PM  

If I were to convert to Christianity or atheism or secular humanism could I stay?

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 8:56 PM  

I read that hunting is legal Belgium. I think hunting is more panful than shechita. Isn't that hypocrotical of the Belgians?

Anonymous Mycroft Jones May 08, 2017 8:59 PM  

Hirsch, if you're on this thread, please refer me to further reading on the topic of the number of British Puritans who allegedly converted to Judaism during their time in Holland. Although told from an alien perspective, the book about the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit had some points of interest relating to the Founding Stock.

Kosher slaughter is not torture. Stunning is. Until you've done a kosher slaughter yourself, your information is only second hand. The children of the Puritan Founders aren't welcome in Israel. Try to outlaw kosher slaughter here, and we'll have to fight you, because, unlike Jews, we don't have an Israel to go to. America is our Israel.

Anonymous JAG May 08, 2017 9:03 PM  

Some Dude wrote:Id fucking love it if 100k gentiles somehow moved to israel and demanded black men to be plastered all over tv for diversity and agitated for open borders and wars against gentile enemies. The raised jewish pensioners. Love it.

I was planning on moving to Israel, starting a hog farm, and then opening up a bacon and pork chop restaurant in Tel Aviv. I will be sure to accuse the local officials and entire host country of being NAZIs when they naturally object.

Only whites have to suppress their own cultures in their own countries for the sake of foreigners, or we are literally Hitler.

Anonymous JAG May 08, 2017 9:09 PM  

NathAn Schuster wrote:Aren't white people okay with hunting? I have to believe it is more painful than shechita. And i hear that lots of bad stuff happens to calves abd chickens and such on factory farms.

A kill shot to the heart is instant death, and in no way as painful or cruel as bleeding out while conscious.

Anonymous Stan May 08, 2017 9:10 PM  

"Being knocked out doesn't hurt a bit. In fact, it hurts a lot less than being punched in the face and not getting knocked out. It's instant lights-out."

Always found it better to give than recieve.

You need to develop a connection to your food.. try slaughtering an animal and see the blood, see the desire to live in every creature. Then you will see what is meant by as humane as possible and really how much bullshit that really is.

Eggs and bacon, chicken and pigs.. involvement vs commitment.

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 9:26 PM  

But dont hunters often miss the heart? The poor animal might suffer for days from the wound.

Anonymous Katt Brenner May 08, 2017 9:27 PM  

(((They))) ARE the foreign invasion.
I like the phrase "let them eat chickpeas."
The bad news is that the law takes 30 months to go into effect.
The other bad news is that the animal rights folks will ban hunting on the same theory.

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 9:29 PM  

Gentiles can become Israeli citizens. They just can't take advantage of the law of return. They have to do paperwork.

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 9:31 PM  

Well, there are 50000 Eritrian refugees living in Israel now. There are also 75000 Black African Ethiopian Beta Israel Falasha Jews in Israel now, so it looks like you got your wish.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 08, 2017 9:33 PM  

With deer and elk, if you miss the heart you're likely to hit lungs. Which is also a very fast kill.

Blogger Rabbi B May 08, 2017 9:34 PM  

153. Grave Digger

If there is no "from", then there is no "back" to go to. And that's the case with the vast majority of Jews. One wonders if the "you-have-to-go-back" crew knows how stupid they sound, but just don't care.

Don't be obtuse. It's called aliyah.

155. NathAn Schuster

If I were to convert to Christianity or atheism or secular humanism could I stay?

No. But, as long as you're here, seek the welfare of your gracious hosts.

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 9:35 PM  

But it must br painful. And it still takes some time. Dont humans even survive being shot in the lungs?

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 9:37 PM  

Hey, I pay my taxes.

Blogger Rabbi B May 08, 2017 9:39 PM  

Hey, I pay my taxes.

*please clap*

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 08, 2017 9:39 PM  

"Dont humans even survive being shot in the lungs?"

Usually not when shot with expanding rifle bullets, or with a Glock 9mm.

Anonymous JAG May 08, 2017 9:40 PM  

NathAn Schuster wrote:Gentiles can become Israeli citizens. They just can't take advantage of the law of return. They have to do paperwork.

You conveniently skipped the part where I take a dump all over your culture while squatting in your own country, and then have the gall to chastise YOU for it with accusations of being NAZIs when you, rightfully, object.

Blogger tz May 08, 2017 9:43 PM  

"I knew you were coming so I baked a cake".
Yellow Cake.

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 9:44 PM  

But it hurts and might take time.

Anonymous Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2017 9:46 PM  

The point is, NathAnne, your consistent rerain, excusing yor own tribe's behavior and indicting our tribe's behavior, shows that you, like Grave Digger, are not a member of our tribe. And it shows that you are willing to subvert and manipulate to get an excuse for your own tribe.

You're not one of us, NathAnne, you have to go back.

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 9:47 PM  

Oh, snd is't the deer conscious while it's lungs fill with blood. By shechita the animal lose consciousness. And what if someone misses the lungs?

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 9:49 PM  

I wasnt resopnding to you. I was responding to mycroft.

Blogger tz May 08, 2017 9:49 PM  

If the pig identifies as a trans-vegetable, would it be kosher?

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 9:52 PM  

You did not answer my question sbout conversion.
And is thr fact that you didn't attempt to defend your tribe due to the fact tha thete is no defense.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 08, 2017 9:52 PM  

"And what if someone misses the lungs?"

Then they either have to eat a bacon sandwich or go back.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 08, 2017 9:54 PM  

Trying to equate butchering with hunting just proves the point that you don't understand the host culture at all, and you have to go back.

Anonymous JAG May 08, 2017 9:57 PM  

NathAn Schuster wrote:But dont hunters often miss the heart? The poor animal might suffer for days from the wound.

It can happen, but not often to seasoned hunters.

Your way is guaranteed cruelty every single time.

Anonymous Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2017 9:58 PM  

Religion isn't the problem, NathAnne. You are.

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 9:59 PM  

So the host culture can indulge in a cruel sport, I got that. Itd just hypocritical to ban shechita on grounds of cruelty and legslize hunting.

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 10:01 PM  

But it can result in horrible suffering than can last for days. And do only seasoned hunters hunt?


Anonymous Mycroft Jones May 08, 2017 10:02 PM  

@180 Cail, saying that kosher slaughter is worse than shooting a deer in the lungs, shows that you know nothing about kosher slaughter. Kosher slaughter is equivalent to death by asphyxiation, with the benefit that the blood drains out at the same time, so the brain loses consciousness immediately. Takes a few seconds for the autonomic nervous system to shut down after that.

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 10:03 PM  

But what if I change?

Anonymous Mr. Rational May 08, 2017 10:06 PM  

Jamie wrote:Muslims don't care about animals, Africans don't care
Africans especially don't care.  I warn you not to look up "bush refrigerator" unless you have a VERY strong stomach.

@165  From my experience sniping rabbits, you can hit them in the lungs and they don't even notice (you can hear the hollow thud of the pellet striking).  They just sit there like nothing happened, until they fall over dead a couple minutes later.

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 10:07 PM  

So much anger over the subject of hunting. I didn't expect that. Did i touch a nerve?

Anonymous LurkingPuppy May 08, 2017 10:07 PM  

This bozo isn't even a real hasbara troll. It's someone who thinks it's funny to poop on the blog pretending to be a dim-bulb troll.

I mean, wouldn't a member of the (((tribe noted for verbal skill))) have figured out quicker that srt, er she, had her left hand shifted right by one key? This person did that in more than one post. It's an act.

Anonymous Mycroft Jones May 08, 2017 10:07 PM  

@176 NatHan, there is a lot of commenting on here right now. Which of your comments was specifically directed at me? That Gentiles can become Israeli citizens? Without a Jewish conversion approved by an Israeli Rabbi who is on a short-list authorized by a particular group of Orthodox Jewish Rabbis? Israel is crowded as it is, the Jordon river has become a muddy trickle.

Anonymous DirkH May 08, 2017 10:09 PM  

@107. Dennis Pragerism May 08, 2017 3:46 PM
"The Lord sayeth that anyone that curses the Jews will be cursed. (Genesis 12:3)"

Wrong. Why are you lying? Jews believe in the Talmud. There was no Talmud back then. Also read it. There's no "Jews" mentioned there.

"Vox Day is now cursed."

Where has Vox Day cursed anyone?

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 10:13 PM  

You said chiidren of the Puritan founders aren't welcome. Gentiles can legally become citizens. They just can't do it just by deckaring their desire. They have to do paperwork.

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 10:19 PM  

This is interesting. When you don't habe an answer critique the typing. I been insulted, called names, etc. But this is a first. And I don't claim to be smart.

Blogger tz May 08, 2017 10:29 PM  

Ask a pack of wolves or a mountain lion about the suffering caused by hunting.

Blogger liberranter May 08, 2017 10:35 PM  

I am unconvinced that there remains a significant enough number of observant Jews in Western Europe that this law will seriously affect anybody. Remember that we're dealing here with the founders of the original Perpetual Outrage Club.

As for the Mooslums, they'll probably defy the law and continue their halal slaughtering practices, probably reacting with violence if the law attempts to stop them. It will remain to be seen if the law then goes Harry Callahan on them.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 08, 2017 10:37 PM  

@187 It may just be that the rabbits' instinct to freeze is so strong that it overcomes the pain of being hit. On the other hand it's common for shooting victims to recount that they didn't even realize that they were hit at first.

Blogger NathAn Schuster May 08, 2017 10:38 PM  

Oh, and you should know that typing is more of a fine motor skill, not a verbal skill.

Anonymous Mycroft Jones May 08, 2017 10:45 PM  

Credentials: I've killed about a dozen sheep using the kosher method. It was fast and humane. The neurophysical responses and timeline were identical to what Cail Corishev describes for his chicken slaughter. If he's going to condemn kosher slaughter, he better give up eating chicken. As for the difficulty in slaughtering hogs, noone kosher or halal slaughters a hog. Think about it.

Blogger Lazarus May 08, 2017 10:59 PM  

DirkH wrote:Where has Vox Day cursed anyone?

Dennis Pragerism is a parody of Dennis Prager. Please don't be upset.

Blogger Lazarus May 08, 2017 11:03 PM  

Mycroft Jones wrote:Credentials: I've killed about a dozen sheep using the kosher method. It was fast and humane.

It well might be, but that is an irrelevant side issue. The post is about baking.

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