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Thursday, May 04, 2017

Marketing matters

Nice to see three of the four other Kami members show up for Ohmura's solo show.



There is an important lesson here. Same four guys that took the stage together with Su, Moa, and Yui two months before at the Tokyo Dome. Same mind-blowing talent... and in fact, Boh's bass solo is a little more relaxed, but is longer and even more impressive than the one he plays for Twilight of the Metal Gods on Red Night.

And there are about 54,000 fewer people in attendance.

This should dismiss the notion, once and for all, that mere talent ever suffices.

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30 Comments:

Anonymous Laz May 04, 2017 11:07 AM  

I've said it before and I'll say it again- VD has horrible taste in music

Blogger dienw May 04, 2017 11:12 AM  

I've said it before and I'll say it again- VD has horrible taste in music

I know. I had to turn off Emmylou Harris to listen to it.

Blogger frigger611 May 04, 2017 11:12 AM  

Yes, I know it's tautological, but mass appeal = massive audience. Many excellent musicians, especially in jazz and metal guitar only appeal to other musicians. But as backers to an awesome frontman (or woman) with charisma and sex appeal, it's a new animal.

When you can be part of a group where the synergy is special and more than the sum of its parts, and can tap into something that the culture can really connect with, then you get a supergroup.

I've worked for a lot of bands with superb talent that put on great shows whether in stadiums or clubs. But then there have also been the "artists" who have little talent and have to cover with super-polished high end productions and lots of auto-tune.

Blogger dienw May 04, 2017 11:13 AM  

Is there a female in that group or is one of the guys transing?

Anonymous fop May 04, 2017 11:20 AM  

That first guitar solo. Damn!

Blogger Doug Cranmer May 04, 2017 12:15 PM  

It's the IQ.
You'll never understand. :)

Blogger Doug Cranmer May 04, 2017 12:15 PM  

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Anonymous Michael Maier May 04, 2017 12:40 PM  

3. Blogger frigger611 May 04, 2017 11:12 AM
Yes, I know it's tautological, but mass appeal = massive audience. Many excellent musicians, especially in jazz and metal guitar only appeal to other musicians. But as backers to an awesome frontman (or woman) with charisma and sex appeal, it's a new animal.


Best part of seeing Shania Twain live was in the middle when she was off stage changing her clothes.

The band went from sterile, click-track perfect reproductions of the songs from the CDs to a great jam session.

It was a whole different band for that five minutes. I was freaking out and I got chills just now from remembering it.

Unless you're singing has to be from Memorex I don't get why more artists don't let their bands go off like that the whole concert.

Anonymous Michael Maier May 04, 2017 12:47 PM  

And sounds guys NEVER turn up the bass enough. :(

Anonymous patrick kelly May 04, 2017 12:56 PM  

Purty gud pickin fer funny lookin' ferriners.

Seriously, that is awesome.

I always have respect and admiration for ninja shreddmasters, but these guys add enough joy, passion and silliness to make me giggle.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable May 04, 2017 1:15 PM  

It's not gonna stop until they're signed to Castalia House Records. You watch.

Blogger JCclimber May 04, 2017 1:26 PM  

Coming from the classical music tradition, it becomes extremely obvious the difference between talent and star talent.
BabyMetal with just 3 cute girls dancing around and singing lyrics would be just another flash in the pan like hundreds of other Kpop and Jpop acts that you can see in local fairs, town squares, small concert halls, here today and gone in 3 months. Despite their looks, talents and enthusiasm.
This Kami band, same thing. Very talented, but so are hundreds or thousands of other acts out there.

Put them together, add some costumes - even stupid costumes- and you get serious entertainment.

It is the entertainment industry. My son plays violin, and is serious about it. Tonight I'll be coaching his quartet to help prep them for a professional coaching session next week. Their age ranges are 10-12. They have to be both technically correct and together in rhythm, but they have to feel the music as a group. Eye contact. Matching body movements. Bows synchronized. Smiles. Contagious enthusiasm.

Without all of that, it will just be a polite amount of applause (yes, finally, the boring performance is over, man I hope the next group of kids isn't so boring) and on with the show. If the entertainers are enjoying themselves, and engage the audience, then it is an incredible feedback loop that creates a memorable event.

I'm looking forward to BabyMetal. Don't know if I'll stick around for Korn, since it is a work night, but definitely BabyMetal.

Anonymous map May 04, 2017 2:49 PM  

This is very interesting, if only because it is highly derivative of the advanced technical guitar playing that emerged in the 1980's: Yngwie Malmsteen; Joe Satriani; Steve Vai; Eddie Van Halen; John Petrucci; Paul Gilbert; Nuno Bettencourt; Michael Lee Firkins; Andy Timmons; John 5, etc.

It seems, in Japan, this type of rock music iis very popular, since it all but died here.

Baby Metal has a very rich tradition to draw on if it wants to mine this genre for ideas.

Blogger frigger611 May 04, 2017 2:54 PM  

@12 "If the entertainers are enjoying themselves, and engage the audience, then it is an incredible feedback loop that creates a memorable event. "

Exactly. You said it so much better than I did.

Anonymous Michael Maier May 04, 2017 3:06 PM  

If the entertainers are enjoying themselves, and engage the audience, then it is an incredible feedback loop that creates a memorable event.

This is why I tell anyone that will listen to go see
1 - Tommy Emmanuel
2 - The California Guitar Trio

Both acts have jaw-dropping playing that is very accessible, listenable and FUN.

And I get to see CGT tomorrow... Life is good.

Blogger Ben Cohen May 04, 2017 3:12 PM  

Saw Joe satriani play with Sammy hagar. The guy stole the show with his playing.

Another great guitarist is Eric Johnson. Grew up listening to his music (eg cliffs of Dover). Go and see him in a small venue. The guy is down to earth and great to hang with.

Anonymous Just another commenter May 04, 2017 4:46 PM  

They obviously have serious talent. But they are not playing anything I'd want to listen to for more than 30 seconds, except as a "wake me up on a road trip when I'm out of coffee" interlude.

Different strokes and all that.

Blogger Timmy3 May 04, 2017 4:57 PM  

You can take instrumentals so far. The singing and dancing go further. That's why when a good band backs up some great singers, everyone wants to see it.

Anonymous Mathias May 04, 2017 5:27 PM  

@13,

I saw Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, and John Petrucci perform live together once. Didn't realize it was a once-in-a-lifetime thing while it was happening, but it was a blast. You are absolutely right about that sort of music suffering in the States, the original community that created it is dying off, and the squeezing of the historical American population means that replacements are hard to find. I have a cousin who could have qualified, but the main influence for that was his father, who died a number of years back.

Blogger frigger611 May 04, 2017 5:57 PM  

Haha, when Vox opened the floodgates the other day and did not moderate comments, the masses chimed in with more than 1100 posts.

And here we are discussing guitar shredders, at 20 comments.

3 of them mine.

(Cue sad trombone, wah - wah )

QED, Vox

Blogger Ben Cohen May 04, 2017 6:10 PM  

This music used to be mainstream in the 80s

Blogger Pseudotsuga May 04, 2017 6:26 PM  

Not my kind of music at all....but those guys are pretty dang good musicians, like so many others out there. Like an earlier poster pointed out, it's the synergy, some mass appeal, and luck that all together make a band's career. Oh yeah, and we can't overlook sex appeal -- cute Japanese girls out front might help, too...

Blogger Were-Puppy May 04, 2017 8:00 PM  

@5 fop
That first guitar solo. Damn!
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That was a slippery lead

Blogger Were-Puppy May 04, 2017 8:04 PM  

Why do people feel it necessary to go on and on about how they don't like them. Skip the post. It's like the football post and you get a bunch of seagulls who want to nadder on about how the hate they nfl.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 04, 2017 8:06 PM  

There is something in the water in Japan. There is a flavor of the sound in Dynasty Warrior games with the way they do their dual leads. Heck, it might be some of the same people for all I know.

Blogger Matthew May 04, 2017 9:17 PM  

Almost every other band Vox has posted, I have ended up loving (Muse, Laibach, Twenty One Pilots).

But not these guys.

Anonymous chet May 04, 2017 9:42 PM  

And there are about 54,000 fewer people in attendance.

This should dismiss the notion, once and for all, that mere talent ever suffices.


I guess that makes ol' JSB a hack, since he never played for more than a few hundred people at a time, and his entire catalog was never recognized, let alone played, until many years after he died.

Anonymous Raw Cringe May 04, 2017 10:00 PM  

Great stuff, 8/10 would listen to while biking up a long hill

There's no use to be provincial in your tastes fellas, y'all need to be more COSMOPOLITAN ok then your minds will be full of treasures like mine is...

Disliking any kind of art (except immoral art) never improved my life in any way. Now I like everything and that is why I am so wise.

Anonymous RabidRatel May 05, 2017 1:39 AM  

Were-Puppy wrote:Why do people feel it necessary to go on and on about how they don't like them. Skip the post. It's like the football post and you get a bunch of seagulls who want to nadder on about how the hate they nfl.

Only sissie-boys play n1gg@rball. Real men play rugby. I mean, we gave up South Africa so we could play rugby!

Anonymous map May 05, 2017 8:09 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXN6fZOFegQ

A lot great music in this genre.

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