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Friday, May 05, 2017

Not really a problem

Apparently we're all supposed to be terrified by "de-policing", or in other words, the police actually showing restraint rather than immediately shooting everything and everyone in the vicinity because someone made them feel a little nervous:
Such factors have “had the effect of ‘de-policing’ in law enforcement agencies across the country, which assailants have exploited.”

The report cited an example in which an officer was slammed to the ground and beaten but refused to shoot the assailant “for fear of community backlash.”

“The officer informed the superintendent that the officer chose not to shoot because the officer didn’t want his/her ‘family or department to have to go through the scrutiny the next day on the national news,’ ” the study said.
Once you understand that the police are neither there to stop crime nor protect you, your reaction to de-policing is pretty much the exact opposite of the one the media wants you to have.

It really isn't anyone's problem if a few more gang members shoot each other than they would have or not. The police are never going to solve that problem. It's like worry about whether someone else puts a band-aid on a gaping wound. Put the band-aid on or not, it's simply not going to make any difference in the end.

Crime or no crime, who is going into diversity city anyhow?

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200 Comments:

Anonymous veryfunnyminion May 05, 2017 10:06 AM  

Channeling Mel Brooks:

Why is diversity like cancer? Di more you have, di-verse it gets.

Blogger Salt May 05, 2017 10:08 AM  

Given the size of many of the protests, are the well armed police beginning to understand they are seriously outnumbered?

Blogger michaeloh59 May 05, 2017 10:15 AM  

You are putting a lot of trust in diversity-Americans restraining themselves when they are in MY hood. You are correct that most of the chimping Is not in my hood but there is a helluva lot of neighborhood integration in the US and zero prospects that's going to stop. And I suspect that it only takes a shooting or two to ruin a neighborhood for me and mine. Good hoods are fragile. I find it impossible to believe that raising a new generation of impulsive blacks with an even more powerful racial grievance against being held to white norms and a habit of confronting rather than submitting to authority is going to work out well in the long run. Its dyscivic AF.

Blogger Zaklog the Great May 05, 2017 10:15 AM  

Yes, but I have the misfortune to live in a town with a significant black population, and numerous circumstances would make moving a problem. I would like the police to feel free to deal with black criminals however they need to.

Blogger Old Ez May 05, 2017 10:17 AM  

If Depolicing is just another name for the Ferguson effect, then I'm all for it. Not because I think cops generally do more harm than good - I don't think that's true even while its obvious that current training standards are garbage - but because the communities affected by the Ferguson effect are degenerate communities anyway that deserve to swamped with crime. The more intolerable the "Urban Problem" gets, the closer we will be to implementing some sort of a solution. The cities need fumigated.

Anonymous Magus May 05, 2017 10:18 AM  

NWA was right? Fuck de-police? But I thought this was pro-de-policing post?

Seriously though, this contradiction is becoming very apparent in London. Everyone I speak to is still as opposed to citizens owning firearms as they ever were (despite the sharp rise in knife crime and, oh yeah, terrorist attacks), yet they don't bat at an eye at regular police wandering high-value areas with carbines strapped to their chests now.

Anonymous Reenay May 05, 2017 10:22 AM  

Holy shit, @3. Do you even realize how cucked you sound? If your hood has problems, why is your first thought "we need police"? Why do you need other people to solve YOUR damned problems?

This is the cancer killing America - people abandoning their own responsibilities and shoving them off onto others - like politicians that will gladly take on your problems because it's a great way to grab power over you.

In the old, great America, we solved feral problems with trees and rope. It worked pretty well for keeping problems out of your hood.

Nowadays, we have guns for that.

Anonymous Grayman May 05, 2017 10:22 AM  

OT,

For all of the poor none UHIQ plebs there is still hope!!!

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/woman-develops-iq-of-220-after-drinking-sperm-everyday-for-a-year/

Blogger JP May 05, 2017 10:27 AM  

Magus wrote:
Seriously though, this contradiction is becoming very apparent in London. Everyone I speak to is still as opposed to citizens owning firearms as they ever were (despite the sharp rise in knife crime and, oh yeah, terrorist attacks), yet they don't bat at an eye at regular police wandering high-value areas with carbines strapped to their chests now.


I'm not a Brit, and I've only spent a combined 10 days in London and Bristol in my entire life, so I don't know anything about you guys. But what is it that makes the average Brit so vehemently anti-gun? You don't have much of a "gun problem" like they have in certain "diverse" areas in the US*, so what gives? Has anyone ever shot anyone else when they shouldn't have?

Blogger roundeye May 05, 2017 10:31 AM  

Every gunshot wound goes to the trauma center. 100k minimum billed by the hospital.

Blogger michaeloh59 May 05, 2017 10:31 AM  

#5
Guess what the "solution" is? It's only been policy for decades. Integration. You, my racist friend will get a shiny new tax payer subsidized housing project in your hood. Or the Feds flood your town with Sec 8 vouchers until the complaining stops. Training up an even more hateful and impulsive grievance class of blacks is going to victimize everyone in America except the important people. This ain't gonna end well. Look for BLM's racist, discivic energy to turn towards hostility to the 2A as more citizens are forced to defend themselves against their new, racist as fuck and morally woke neighbors. The 2A and Castle Doctrine Laws will increasingly be framed as racist tools that benefit racist whites in the murder of gentle dindu nuffin bodies. Again, the important people don't need the 2A any more than they need public schools or harmonious middle class neighborhoods or good paying blus collar jobs. And what the important people don't need has a habit of disappearing.

Blogger michaeloh59 May 05, 2017 10:35 AM  

#7
Vigilantism is preferable to chaos, but far less preferable than an effective police force and criminal justice system. That really should be obvious. Trolling?

Blogger ZhukovG May 05, 2017 10:40 AM  

@JP: They had a mass shooting, bunch of kids killed. The Brits, forgetting 1000 years of courage and fortitude, panicked and banned guns.

Anonymous p-dawg May 05, 2017 10:42 AM  

@12 We don't have either of those. Effective police force? The murder clearance rate, nationwide, is 65%. That is barely more effective than just coin-flipping. Effective criminal justice system? Hah. 90%+ conviction rates argue against that. The government doesn't get *anything* right 90%+ of the time. So, while true that an effective police force and criminal justice system would be preferable, where will we get such things? Besides, the justice system promises possible justice at some future time. Vigilantism produces results right now.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer May 05, 2017 10:43 AM  

The police have a real problem. The white/asian community are starting to not care to support them. The main reasons for this are;

1.) corruption
2.) zealous enforcement of tyrannical laws against whites.
3.) Lack of real response to serious violent crimes committed by blacks.

What happens now is when the grievance industry claims police brutality whites don't care. In the past we would tend to defend them but they have carried out their work against us a little too zealously while ignoring the real problems.

Anonymous Poli_Mis May 05, 2017 10:43 AM  

Anything that gives pause to every soldier wanna be cop from skinning their trusty little smoke wagon at the drop of a hat is a very good thing. Every time and always.

Blogger dienw May 05, 2017 10:44 AM  

For all of the poor none UHIQ plebs there is still hope!!!

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/woman-develops-iq-of-220-after-drinking-sperm-everyday-for-a-year/


Revenge of the nerds? I live in a university town; how long before we nerds will be walking around with a permanent gin plastered on our faces?

Anonymous basementhomebrewer May 05, 2017 10:44 AM  

To add 1 thing as a member of the 2A community the other major issue with the police is the "officer safety" issue. Which amounts to the Police getting to make everyone else unsafe if it makes the officer themselves feel safe.

Blogger Ken Prescott May 05, 2017 10:47 AM  

I am going to fearlessly predict that the next American Civil War breaks out in Los Angeles County, as the two biggest Democrat demographics simultaneously decide to go for the Highlander Solution to how the pie gets divided up; "THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!"

Blogger Gary Eden May 05, 2017 10:50 AM  

Is this the start of sane police behavior or of straight up abandoning of policing certain areas?

Anonymous Broken Arrow May 05, 2017 10:51 AM  

The next step will be "protecting their own neighborhood and tribe" but it will be called something else.

Everyone will know where the LEOs live, and they will tend to work more locally, treat the neighbors well, and be relatively liked or at least tolerated. They will combine with neighborhood citizens watch/militias.

This isn't anything new is many small towns and rural areas already, the difference will be it taking place in large cities.

Anonymous Edjamacator May 05, 2017 10:56 AM  

Reenay wrote:Do you even realize how cucked you sound? If your hood has problems, why is your first thought "we need police"? Why do you need other people to solve YOUR damned problems?

Well, THAT'S one way to get police involved. They'll never pass up a chance to go after someone who makes them look potentially irrelevant.

Anonymous Magus May 05, 2017 10:58 AM  

@9 - JP

Fear and comfort, mostly. No one living today can remember a time when guns were legal, and no one sees the point in having them. Times aren't hard enough yet for people to feel the need for protection. And for all I might shit on them, our bobbies do a pretty good job. Our cities also aren't as vibrant as yours (and the black people we have tend to have aren't descended from slaves - i.e. genetically selected Low-IQs trapped in cycles of violence), so the crime rate is lower so, again, people just don't feel the pinch.

Also, the crime that occurs is invisible, as is the crime that might be deterred if Dindu thinks you might be carrying. What is very visible is the mass-shootings at schools in America, or the police shootings or just random gun violence that occurs in America. That sends everyone into a morally righteous panic here, and makes them double down on how much better we are.

Whenever I bring the topic up with people here, their response is
something along the lines of "What, so we can have our own Sandy Hook/Columbine/Aurora? No thanks!"

Anonymous Dan May 05, 2017 11:00 AM  

I live in the DC suburbs and I have had the chance to appreciate the D.C. police during the past 6 months.

G.E.T. got only 4% of the vote in DC and it was basically a hostile takeover. Antifa wanted to shut down the inauguration and was stopped. The attempted riots were stopped with a very strong police presence. The police never fired their weapon as far as I know, but they put thousands of their bodies between the rioters/disrupters and the Trump-supporting public and made hundreds of arrests of those that got violent. Almost no Trump supporters were harmed during the inauguration. They have also kept the President safe amid numerous death threats made by celebrities, mainstream media reporters and regular people.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 05, 2017 11:01 AM  

If only it were just ferals shooting ferals.

The ghetto is spreading out. Why? IDK, lots of theories. But where I live is no longer the safe little Whitopia it was 29 years ago when I moved in. What was once isolated to the 'hood way on the other side of a nearby city is oozing out to threaten in places I frequent.

Just last month an elderly couple minding their own business while driving home from a restaurant were the downrange backstop for two cars whose occupants went to war on each other.

The man was hit in the head through his car window and remains hospitalized in bad shape. The feral combatants disappeared.

This is, of course, the predictable path we will take on our way to reproducing the homogeneous neighborhoods, cities and regions of the future. Once life gets dicey enough, adding a hard-down i social mood will animate gunpoint-segregation.

Anonymous Grayman May 05, 2017 11:02 AM  

Is this the start of sane police behavior or of straight up abandoning of policing certain areas?

Already started... Baltimore, Memphis, Detroit, etc all have section the police avoid and basically just act as cleanup crew for bodies.

Anonymous karsten May 05, 2017 11:05 AM  

"In the old, great America, we solved feral problems with trees and rope. It worked pretty well for keeping problems out of your hood."

If we lived in the old, great America, then that would indeed be preferable to a strong police force. However, these days, anyone making even a bit of pushback against feral mobs would undoubtedly be incarcerated for much of the rest of his existence. Hardly a workable solution.

Your solution is downstream from bringing back the old, great America. Until the latter IS brought back, then it's not workable, not for anyone who doesn't want to spend the rest of his life in jail.


"Nowadays, we have guns for that."

See above.

Blogger michaeloh59 May 05, 2017 11:06 AM  

#14
We will never live in a world in which someone will not be able to say what you have said: the system sucks. Yea. So what? The question is simple- is it better than vigilantism? Or in other words is it better to live Ina white/NAM community of reasonably effective criminal justice or the ghetto with proportionally gigantic rates of vigilantism ( which badly skews the stats you complained about earlier) If you cant answer yes to that you Don't even take your own argument seriously.

Don't confuse self defense for vigilantism. Let the Libtards do that.

Blogger allyn71 May 05, 2017 11:07 AM  

The inhabitants are different but the no-go zones in Europe and the developing ones in the States are there for a reason. They are such shitty places that no cop is willing to risk his life in there. Further, the people don't want them anyways, they are Ghettos for a reason.

Wall them off and let them go Mad Max on each other, deal with them if they peak their head out.

Blogger VD May 05, 2017 11:09 AM  

You are putting a lot of trust in diversity-Americans restraining themselves when they are in MY hood. You are correct that most of the chimping Is not in my hood but there is a helluva lot of neighborhood integration in the US and zero prospects that's going to stop. And I suspect that it only takes a shooting or two to ruin a neighborhood for me and mine.

I'm not putting in any trust at all. And the neighborhood has already been ruined once it has been integrated. The shooting is only a matter of time.

Blogger allyn71 May 05, 2017 11:11 AM  

The shooting is only a matter of time.

Pretty much sums up the state of affairs for the majority of the Western World right now.

Blogger Giraffe May 05, 2017 11:14 AM  

My uncle was in the army several decades ago when some vibrant riots were occurring. He said "that could never happen where I'm from. We'd just shoot a few and they'd knock it off real quick" Apparently the diverse members found this shocking.

Things are looking up in certain respects. Antifa starts something, they get punched in the face and their pizza is stolen. Block a street, get run over. I have always thought that the problem of violence in black neighborhoods had to be solved by black neighborhoods.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer May 05, 2017 11:16 AM  

Already started... Baltimore, Memphis, Detroit, etc all have section the police avoid and basically just act as cleanup crew for bodies.

Got together with some friends for a couple of beers. One of them stated that he had stopped watching the news, even the local news. Another guy asked him how he was going to keep up with who was shooting who.

Anonymous Grayman May 05, 2017 11:16 AM  

DC

Say hello to HUD!

Guess what the "solution" is? It's only been policy for decades. Integration. You, my racist friend will get a shiny new tax payer subsidized housing project in your hood. Or the Feds flood your town with Sec 8 vouchers until the complaining stops.

Many states also have very aggressive "integration" programs, with the COAH program in NJ considered a template.
With COAH the state calculates how many poor/black Hispanic etc should be in a town and then uses various draconian enforcement to force the matter. Last I read most towns in the state of NJ are involved in law suits with the state over this.

I believe the claim is that even the poor illegal Mexican has a right to live in the fancy town where the minimum home price is 600K and lot sizes are 4+ acres.

Anonymous WinstonWebb May 05, 2017 11:17 AM  

Move all of the dindus to Louisiana. 100% of them. They can keep New Orleans and all of the casinos in Shreveport. They'll have a state of their own where they can make all of their own state & local laws, run their own state economy, keep up their own infrastructure and, BEST OF ALL, whitey can no longer oppress them. I'm sure it will be magnificent.

Just one more thing:
As the wall on the southern border gets built, just keep on going all the way around LA. To protect them from whitey ever trying to invade and destroy their chocolate paradise, you see.

Blogger Were-Puppy May 05, 2017 11:21 AM  

@35 WinstonWebb
Move all of the dindus to Louisiana.
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If you do that the next Katrina will surely take down New Orleans - unless they do it to themselves first

Anonymous WinstonWebb May 05, 2017 11:23 AM  

If you do that the next Katrina will surely take down New Orleans - unless they do it to themselves first

Not a bug...

Blogger allyn71 May 05, 2017 11:24 AM  

Many states also have very aggressive "integration" programs, with the COAH program in NJ considered a template.
With COAH the state calculates how many poor/black Hispanic etc should be in a town and then uses various draconian enforcement to force the matter.


Like Vox said it is only a matter of time till the shooting starts. These HUD projects will be targeted for arson like the refuge centers in Europe are. When people have nothing left to lose they lose it.

Anonymous Grayman May 05, 2017 11:24 AM  

For the most part traditional white/western cultures need minimal policing and in the US were often self-correcting at the local level. Blacks, hispanics, indians..... different story.
Once the police disengage enough the situation will improve in white neighborhoods. Do you really think the armed men in the conservative towns are going to tolerate an outside engaging or crime or attempting to molest or rape their daughters and wives???? And of course no one would know any thing about the unfortunate ,missing persons.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 05, 2017 11:24 AM  

It's beyond obvious to me that people will delegate responsibility whenever they can, and may tolerate crappy services for longer than seems wise, but that when something as essential as order breaks down enough, they'll enter DIY mode.

I note with interest when there's a chimpout somewhere. It's usually a big city and the worst of it is always where order was all but absent anyway.

There's no doubt at all in my mind that if the chimpout tries to move into a place where the residents EXPECT order, they'll either be stopped by the PD or mowed down like grass by the residents.

Disorder is onesy-twosy. It's the burglars or the occasional home invasion, the car-jacking or random rape. Above a certain LOW threshold, people will arm up and turn those occupations into death traps. Only true anarcho-tyranny can stop this (like when the political establishment uses the ferals as campaign workers and monopoly enforcers...as in Kirchner's Argentina.)

The USA is brimming with guns and ammo. The forces of order are always many times larger than disorder. If disorder rises too much due to mismanagement or malfeasance on the part of the state's agents, the public will simply return to site-of-crime executions until order is restored.

Anonymous FP May 05, 2017 11:25 AM  

@12

Yes, effective would be nice if we had it. As p-dawg says, how can I defend the cops when they can't/won't do their jobs properly? They say they have a right to come home safe at the end of their shifts but the citizen does not?

Dalrock has a post on the latest white knight cop manginas beating a man for non compliance of their "effective" order.

https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2017/05/04/another-case-of-duluth-working-as-designed/

Blogger bosscauser May 05, 2017 11:27 AM  

Why would anyone take the job? And no multicultural polyglot nation has ever survived without a police state!

Popcorn?

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

Blogger michaeloh59 May 05, 2017 11:27 AM  

#30
When you say 'It's (depolicing) not really a problem' you are then only referring to the ever decreasing number of neighborhoods that are sufficiently white? Because for the rest of us, it is most certainly a problem. BLM isn't about police restraint, it's about morally kneecapping whitey. And since it is mostly whitey with the levers of civilization that isn't working out well.

Anonymous BBGKB May 05, 2017 11:28 AM  

If Rotherham UK cops wont do anything to help 1400 little white being raped by turd world moslems what would they do for puffs?

Is this the start of sane police behavior or of straight up abandoning of policing certain areas?

I have seen the Ferguson Effect before Ferguson lost its Whitopia statis having 2 section 8 housing complexes shitted on them. There used to be a black radio host who complained about cops ignoring wetbacks ethnicly cleansing groids out of the neighborhood GWBush grew up in (Compton). In San Fran black/brown crime against gays cops get called names by both sides in an investigation, I can't really blame them for guarding the gluten free donut shop.

London...yet they don't bat at an eye at regular police wandering high-value areas with carbines strapped to their chests now

Your random black is still more likely to have a gun than a random UK law enforcement officer.

Hah. 90%+ conviction rates argue against that. The government doesn't get *anything* right 90%+ of the time

That's because they plead down everything but sure fire wins. Even black pack attack at 10' from a security camera can have a nigprocecuter say he can't tell one from the other.

The ghetto is spreading out. Why?

Section 8 on purpose even leftists regrettably noticed. Also you get stories like the didndus that went to white neighborhoods on christmass eve for raping around Philly.
http://www.mainlinemedianews.com/news/region/three-teens-charged-in-horrific-christmas-night-carjacking-sex-assault/article_fc6ef4fc-110e-51fe-9abe-9b7a90a20ed2.html

If you do that the next Katrina will surely take down New Orleans - unless they do it to themselves first

The problem is we need the port of New Orleans to be functional for all the river traffic, Kratman covered NO as a major asset if the US fell apart.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 05, 2017 11:30 AM  

Wall them off and let them go Mad Max on each other, deal with them if they peak their head out.

There's a two-part episode of Star Trek:DS9 called "Past Tense," which I never liked that much because it strayed into TNG-style contemporary social commentary, which DS9 refreshingly avoided most of the time. But I'm starting to wonder if it was prescient. It's a time-travel episode, and the backstory is that crime in the cities got so bad in the early 21st century that areas called "Sanctuary Districts" were walled off as a place for poor-but-law-abiding urban dwellers to live safe from the criminal elements on the street. But before long, the Sanctuary Districts themselves became hellholes, and the inhabitants began rioting to get out.

The show didn't try to explain why the Sanctuary Districts went bad. The story's focus was on the fact that the rest of the population didn't care -- out of sight, out of mind -- and those who did care didn't know what to do about it. But I think most of us know why they would go bad in that scenario.

Anonymous Grayman May 05, 2017 11:32 AM  

A fun example: My sister-inlaws town is suing the state of NJ over COAH, the state wants to require high density housing that would increase the town population by 60-80%, in a town in the middle of the woods where the ave home value is 700,000 and ave lot size is 3+ acres. There is no public transit and no real local employment besides the few local shops. That 60% increase would mostly be low to lower income families in high density apartments with multiple children.

Those peopel they want to import would not even come close to paying for the infrastructure improvements needed to support the traffic, and the school would almost double in size, with the increased student population being generally minority low performing students.

Blogger szopen May 05, 2017 11:32 AM  

Some effects of policing (including societal policing) and lack of policing are discussed in this awesome blog (about why English 1910 slums had lower criminality than modern slums, despite being arguably far more poorer?).

https://devinhelton.com/inequality-crime

Anonymous Athor Pel May 05, 2017 11:34 AM  

"23. Anonymous Magus May 05, 2017 10:58 AM
@9 - JP

Fear and comfort, mostly. No one living today can remember a time when guns were legal, and no one sees the point in having them.
..."


All of the adventuresome types have already emigrated off the island, never to return. Those left behind have never known real privation or blatant tyranny. Those that run the island now do it with a velvet glove.

Your neighbors don't see the point in having them because they are complacent and stupid.
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"Times aren't hard enough yet for people to feel the need for protection."

Funny how that works. Will be a real eye opener for everyone once we all start living on less than 2000 calories a day.
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"And for all I might shit on them, our bobbies do a pretty good job. "

Here's three failures.
Rotherham.
Lee Rigby
Palmira Silva
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"Our cities also aren't as vibrant as yours..."

Right....

Rotherham
Lee Rigby
Palmira Silva
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"... (and the black people we have tend to have aren't descended from slaves - i.e. genetically selected Low-IQs trapped in cycles of violence), so the crime rate is lower so, again, people just don't feel the pinch."

Snicker... You know jack shit about slavery. Please be to learn you for history.

Slaves are chosen for positive traits, not negative. Agricultural workers are chosen for physical robustness and having low IQ is actually bad. Stupid is expensive, it always costs you more money than not-stupid. Parts of Nothern Ireland know what a cycle of violence is. Middle of England has no bloody idea.

And,
Rotherham
Lee Rigby
Palmira Silva
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"Also, the crime that occurs is invisible, as is the crime that might be deterred if Dindu thinks you might be carrying."

Rotherham
Lee Rigby
Palmira Silva
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"What is very visible is the mass-shootings at schools in America, or the police shootings or just random gun violence that occurs in America. That sends everyone into a morally righteous panic here, and makes them double down on how much better we are."

You and your neighbors watch too much television and believe the lies promulgated by it. Also, there is no such thing as random violence, gun or otherwise. When it happens it is NOT random, it is very intentional. Random is a pair of dice and they have no volition. Guns also have no volition but need a human will to use them Because They're a TOOL.
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"Whenever I bring the topic up with people here, their response is
something along the lines of "What, so we can have our own Sandy Hook/Columbine/Aurora? No thanks!"


If the Nazis showed up on your shores today the British would serve them tea. In WW2 American citizens sent hundreds of thousands of personal weapons to Britain in order to help arm the home guard because you didn't own them yourselves and your government didn't have enough money to arm you. If the majority of Brits have ceased to care about their own self defense then neither can their national neighbors. We can't help you if you don't care about yourself. To spell it out for you, America arming a British Home Guard won't happen again.

Anonymous Carlen May 05, 2017 11:37 AM  

@21 Broken Arrow

That may be part of the problem right now. Most of the LEOs I know don't live in the area they patrol. The ones that do are either extremely civic-minded or avoid the public in their home area like the plague.

Blogger Matthew McDaniel May 05, 2017 11:41 AM  

Are you sure you're not secretly a libertarian? Or maybe this is your Pancho Villa riding grandfather's genes shining through.

Blogger SmockMan May 05, 2017 11:44 AM  

Sure, in the ideal society de-policing is the goal. But we live in America.

Blogger michaeloh59 May 05, 2017 11:44 AM  

#40
I don't have any quibble with that. But I think that folks far too often mistake something they believe to be inevitable, based on logic and history, with something imminent. Doesn't history persuade us that the most likely scenario is a continuation of current trends: increasing violation of white neighborhoods by taxpayer subsidized ghetto troglodytes whom are increasingly molded into hostile, anti- white, anti- police subversives who do not invade enmasse provoking the gigantic self defense scenario, but rather continue to ruin neighborhoods as they have always done; through crime, neglect of property and community standards of all sorts, and polar bear hunting in your schools and your streets. It has been going on for decades. Perhaps there are more decades to come until there is a revolution, or a surrender. And given that the cucks are in charge, who is more likely to surrender?

Anonymous Sam the Man May 05, 2017 11:46 AM  

New Jersey is literally a shit state now. The policies are bat-shit crazy and the folks in the state want it that way, much like New York south of West Chester county.

The signs in PA right over the bridges used to say :"America starts here", and they were correct.

While one cannot say what it coming, every one seems to fell that we are in a period of calm before some kind of real change: the system we are under is not sustainable. The contradictions with reality are too extreme. All attempts to evolve the system back to reality are being stymied. The only possible out is something bad, like a civil war.

I hate that idea, want no part of it but something bad this way comes.

Blogger Nick S May 05, 2017 11:51 AM  

The fewer arrests, the fewer the prosecutions and convictions. Presto, lower crime rates. If those pesky dispatchers would simply stop putting out calls to be on the lookout for approximately 6 feet tall black men in their mid twenties suspected of rape and/or armed robbery we wouldn't be having these problems.

Some of us are still going to have to deal with the inner city de facto parent grandmothers and single mother refugees fleeing the ganglands with their oh-so-innocent juvenile progeny.

Anonymous FP May 05, 2017 11:51 AM  

@23

"Fear and comfort, mostly. No one living today can remember a time when guns were legal, and no one sees the point in having them. Times aren't hard enough yet for people to feel the need for protection."

Magus, I like to ask Brits these days if they prefer Louisville Sluggers or Easton Aluminum. I was in the UK a couple of weeks after the 2011 riots, saw some of the anti-knife crime propaganda and had a good laugh. Amazon UK all of a sudden was doing quite the business in selling baseball bats. I guess cricket bats won't hold up compared to aluminum.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/09/technology/amazon_riot/

Anonymous p-dawg May 05, 2017 11:53 AM  

@28: "reasonably effective criminal justice" This is a false premise. We DO NOT have that. Call in a property crime if you don't believe me.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass May 05, 2017 12:05 PM  

OT: Venice is proceeding to remove kebab literally: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/05/venice-bans-kebab-shops-preserve-decorum-traditions-city

Blogger John rockwell May 05, 2017 12:06 PM  

What the hood needs is not only a cutoff of welfare but a Rodrigo Duterte to wipe out the criminals entirely.

Blogger Doom May 05, 2017 12:08 PM  

I was out last night. We can carry, even concealed, in our vehicles. However, without a permit (for now), carrying concealed off our property or out of our vehicle, is not allowed.

My concealment was beyond simple. No one could have spotted it. Even so, when I was in Walmart, the only time this has ever happened? A police officer showed up. Being 3:00, and without any issue, in uniform, and not seeming to be shopping or dealing with the staff? He ended up seeming to ignore me, if he ended up at the end of an aisle I was exiting, in a huge mostly empty store? He looked off at an angle from me, at least when I noticed him. But I think they have ways of telling if you are carrying, and then they alert the police. Just big stores? I don't know. I'm not sure if that was merely a warning, or if they decided I wasn't a usual suspect. I do wonder if they would have reviewed tapes to see which vehicle I arrived in, then checked the potential owner/driver? Or... maybe not.

But... depolicing? Only in the ghettos, bro. Watch yourself out there.

Blogger Koanic May 05, 2017 12:09 PM  

Very generous of HUD to ensure that all white people hate blacks this time.

The de-greasing is so pleasing;
so keep f*ck tha policing!

Blogger GracieLou May 05, 2017 12:11 PM  

The British attitude towards gun ownership is so strange. A commentor on my English friend's Fakebook once said, "Americans are so childish! You don't need a gun to protect your family."

I didn't get it. I literally--people say stupid stuff you disagree with but you get what they're saying. I didn't get this.

So...only children play with guns? It's adult to expect others to protect your family? Danger is make-believe? Adult women should be able to deter crime with their wits?

What kind of rainbow skittles and soda pop waterfall world are they living over there?

Also, it's kind of a myth that all British Americans voluntarily immigrated. See: The Highland Clearances. Very relevant reading for today. Basically oligarchs decided to depopulate an entire country's citizenry and replace with docile, harder working Germans (failed) and sheep (which also failed since the people they deported raised better sheep in NZ) leaving the country an empty wilderness wasteland vulnerable to vibrancy invasion. Also helps you understand why Scots/Irish American good ol boys are all about the guns, land, and anti-government.

Anonymous Magus May 05, 2017 12:15 PM  

@48 Yes Athor, you are so very smart and learned.

I'm aware of the police failures, as well as the scandals in particular boroughs. I'm not saying our police are perfect, I'm talking about how people here perceive them and why they don't feel the need to carry a gun. For one thing, most people actually aren't aware of stuff like Rotherham, or how the police were complicit in that. For another, what is a gun meant to do in that situation? Fathers who learned what was happening were prepared to go in there with melee weapons and get their daughters back, but were told that they'd be the one facing consequences if they did. So yeah, the police have some massive failures, for most white people here they mostly do their job well - police response times are pretty good, and people don't feel like they need any kind of weapon, let alone a gun.

The failure points are in isolated cities that've been taken over, or in isolated boroughs. The country as a whole is still 90% white, and when you except London and Birmingham (or even just specific boroughs in these cities), the ratio blanches further. So my point stands: most people don't have to deal with lots of black people, so their perception is that the police have a lid on things, that crime isn't an issue, and so they don't need guns. People feel safe, the left-wing media covers up danger, and the violent crime usually isn't happening to, or near, people you know, so it doesn't bother people.


I'm of the opinion that we have grown complacent as a culture and that, yes, we have lost most of our best people in World Wars and previous waves of emigration. But we're not exactly Sweden either, so I don't think softness is the main reason we don't have a gun lobby - people simply don't feel unsafe enough to demand them, and the media and schools do a good enough job of hiding what real dangers there are.

Anonymous kfg May 05, 2017 12:20 PM  

"No one living today can remember a time when guns were legal [in the UK]. . ."

Gladys Hooper was born in 1903, long enough before the 1920 Firearms Act to remember it. She is the oldest, but she is not alone.

The major restriction on guns did occur until after the Hungerford Massacre with the Firearms Act of 1988. .22 rimfire rifles were not affected.

The "full ban" did not occur until after the Dunblane Massacre with the Firearms Act of 1997.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 05, 2017 12:21 PM  

The "news" is always full of stories about people who
-went to stupid places
-hung around stupid people
-did stupid things

Since I don't do any of this, their anecdotes mean nothing to me. No lessons available to be learned.

AC recently reviewed a story about a husband and wife who, actively working to help convict the gang members who tried to rob their business, were executed by other gang members. The wife literally opened the front door to a stranger, a black man, even though they knew they'd been followed and been threatened.

(facepalm.) Nothing to learn that I didn't already know.

We're not there yet, but we're nearing the point where making our home's perimeters time-consuming to breach becomes something everyone does, like watering the lawn. Time = preparation, and it only takes a moment to pull the T-handle on America's Rifle.

National CCW now. (and while we're at it, remove all safety equipment, AKA "silencers," from the NFA 1934. STOP HEARING LOSS!)

Blogger Servant May 05, 2017 12:22 PM  

@grayman

Whole new definition of mansplaining.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 05, 2017 12:23 PM  

OT: Forgive me if you already saw and commented, but somehow Vox and the ilk are still under the radar of the MSM. Maybe feigned ignorance.

UnderstandingTheNewFarRight

Blogger dc.sunsets May 05, 2017 12:25 PM  

@61 While Larry Correia's blog post is good on this, Jeff Snyder's A Nation of Cowards remains IMO the pinnacle of insight on this subject.

It is irrefutable.

Blogger Servant May 05, 2017 12:25 PM  

Forgetting the powerful effect immediate reprisal has on behavior

Blogger allyn71 May 05, 2017 12:27 PM  

it only takes a moment to pull the T-handle on America's Rifle.

Why are you having to use the charging handle to ready the weapon? Real Men are always ready to go :)

Agree with the original premise though. Simple home preps to harden entry buy the time you need to protect you and yours.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 05, 2017 12:30 PM  

@69 joking aside, the only place I carry chambered/ready is where I can be utterly surprised by a threat. Deliberation is safety's friend.

Anonymous kfg May 05, 2017 12:36 PM  

" . . . America's Rifle . . ."

Winchester 1894 - Model 70?

Blogger Duke Norfolk May 05, 2017 12:38 PM  

Grayman wrote:the state wants to require high density housing that would increase the town population by 60-80%, in a town in the middle of the woods where the ave home value is 700,000 and ave lot size is 3+ acres.

This crap is a perfect example of the kind of thing Anonymous Conservative talks about in re: r/K theory. Nasty little rabbits (aka traitors) who instigate this crap need to be culled.

Anonymous Magus May 05, 2017 12:39 PM  

@63 - kfg. Sure, but when we commonly think of an armed populace we're talking about pistols or, more rarely, semi-auto rifles, which is what were banned to the point that most people today just aren't used to the idea of owning a gun.

The type of firearm that's always been less restricted here is the shotgun, the favoured weapon of farmers. So, even when the laws were more liberal, we're still not talking about any more than 10% of the population having a firearm, and most of these being a very specific demographic, who most people don't come in to contact with (except for when those cute farmer's daughters get sent off to Uni ;) and, interestingly, these girls and their dads tend to be Tories).

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 05, 2017 12:39 PM  

I always carry chambered. I can't think of a single incident I've heard of wherein a gun discharged without being manipulated. Even the recent mishaps with the Remington 700s required the safety being disengaged for the rifle to fire.

But for a ready-to-go rifle I can see the argument for not keeping a round chambered. If a small child does somehow manage to get near it, they could potentially disengage the safety and fire the weapon, but they're probably not going to chamber a round.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 05, 2017 12:40 PM  

kfg wrote:Winchester 1894 - Model 70?
M1 Garand.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 05, 2017 12:42 PM  

@66 patrick kelly
OT: Forgive me if you already saw and commented, but somehow Vox and the ilk are still under the radar of the MSM. Maybe feigned ignorance.

That article is like some monkeys studying the space shuttle. You missed out.

Anonymous Lawyer Guy May 05, 2017 12:43 PM  

#48 "Funny how that works. Will be a real eye opener for everyone once we all start living on less than 2000 calories a day."


No, there is so much food in the US. Major chain stores on the edge of ghettos have so much cheap, great looking and tasting produce. If you had to, you could live on $100 per couple per week for food and eat well.

I just now was on the edge of the ghetto, at a major chain store that City convinced to be there by having police drive around in the lot and stand at the door desk where the greeter stands at white stores. I did have my pistol. Less than a dollar for perfect heads of lettuce, everything else was cheap and perfect. The only thing expensive and picked over were the strip/t-bone steaks and pork ribs. I did have to stand in line watching residents purchase frozen and packed food and paying for it with the bright orange welfare card.

The supermarkets throw out half the produce that arrives at their distro centers, and half the produce that makes it into their stores.

The majority of rice grown in the US goes to Bud to brew beer. Even with that, rice is crazy cheap.

Now the system to move food breaking down due to depolicing in major communities, I can see. However, once D'shaunda and D'niquia get a little hungry and burn down thirty-three blocks, the feds will seize the trucking companies and produce sorters and install called up guardsmen as in cab armed guards.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 05, 2017 12:43 PM  

@71 I know you're kidding, but I can't help it. I should have typed America's Rifle.

BTW, as most of us know, it's a buyer's market now. I've seen "after-rebate" prices on S&W Shields (9mm, 40 or 45) in the $225-$245 range and a perfectly serviceable AR15 with nitrocarburized barrel (far better than chrome-lining) can be had for <$500 if you buy the top and bottom separately (avoiding some excise tax.)

I consider the AR to be the Barbie Doll for men today...endless accessorizing available.

Even 22LR is becoming widely available again after at least five years of scarcity.

Blogger Old Ez May 05, 2017 12:47 PM  

Michaeloh59, anyone who uses the Trotskyist term "racist" unironically/uncritically has no moral authority to call anyone a cuck.

Anonymous Gen. Kong May 05, 2017 12:48 PM  

Zaklog the Great wrote:
Yes, but I have the misfortune to live in a town with a significant black population, and numerous circumstances would make moving a problem. I would like the police to feel free to deal with black criminals however they need to.

You might want to axe Officer Darren Wilson, formerly of Fergusdishu P.D. now working for Wal-Mart somewhere far from, about that.... Wonder if ol'Darren swallowed that red pill or if he still believes in Murika and muh-constitution? The badge-gang doesn't get it. Of course they can kill YT all they like and face zero consequences. It will be interesting to see what happens when YT decides he's been targeted enough and erases some badge-gangbangers - especially some of the Nation of Islam types who are allowed in the ranks. Oath-keepers my arse. The only oath they believe in is the one the Banksteins recite about their "precious" (30 pieces of pension), which is worth every bit as much as anything else coming from the mouth of a Talmudic Satanist.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 05, 2017 12:49 PM  

Difference today is that the Right is contesting the moral level of conflict whereas in the past the nutless cucks only feinted towards the moral level but only actually quibbled what intellectual level was still allowable.

If you don't have the moral level guns are next to useless, except for duck hunting till they tell you duck hunting is an ism, making you an ist because phobia or something.

A cold blooded point as a data point to my hypothesis, wife asks me if I heard about the guy who shot up some diversity at a condo complex, I said yes and good, she did not press the point but neither was it a national contrived scandal, point being too many people in this country are ready to call the bluff.

Anonymous kfg May 05, 2017 12:52 PM  

@73: " . . . when we commonly think of an armed populace we're talking about pistols or, more rarely, semi-auto rifles . . . ."

Who is this "we."

" . . . most people today just aren't used to the idea of owning a gun."

Sure, I don't dispute that. What I point out is that you lost your Right as Englishmen to keep and bear arms for your self defence, a right which goes back to 1181, was lost, not only within living memory, but relatively recently. There are, in fact, people alive today who can remember when they could go down to the post office, plop down their shillings, and to home with a pistol carry permit. The permit was only necessary to carry, not purchase and possess in your own home.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 05, 2017 12:52 PM  

@74 I know what you're saying. My notion stems from the fact that negligent discharges are a reality, and that they almost alway stem from absent-mindedness combined with a loaded chamber.

The "fix" for this IMO is to treat the loaded handgun & holster as a unit, they go on together, the come off together, and are never separated under anything less than Full Present-Mindedness.

If simply adhering to the rules of safe gun handling were sufficient, there would be no negligent discharges. The fact that they occur means that an additional layer of training/separation is merited. Carrying in rigid holsters (like the Edgeworks Incog) that securely clip on, but can be removed as a unit without constantly handling the loaded gun is one such approach. YMMV.

And inside the home, if I'm surprised then I already did something egregiously wrong. There's always time to rack the slide or op handle as my mind is spinning up to full.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 05, 2017 12:58 PM  

A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:@66 patrick kelly

OT: Forgive me if you already saw and commented, but somehow Vox and the ilk are still under the radar of the MSM. Maybe feigned ignorance.

That article is like some monkeys studying the space shuttle. You missed out.


Yeah, figured that out as I read the article. I was reacting to the map graphics at the top, had not seen it before. As soon as I started re-reading I recognized most of it from that thread.

Big doh on my part.

Blogger John Williams May 05, 2017 12:59 PM  

If Rotherham UK cops wont do anything to help 1400 little white being raped by turd world moslems...
What sets Rotherham apart from the rest of Britain is the clinic that documented the abuse of the children. Rotherham isn't the only place with a severe Muslim child rape problem, it is the place that documented & reported the Muslim child rape problem.

Blogger John Williams May 05, 2017 1:00 PM  

Not OT: just documenting how communities need firearms to police their neighborhoods because the authorities won't.

Anonymous Grayman May 05, 2017 1:04 PM  

DC KFG

A loud dog, preferably a big one, can't be beat for early warning. Also slows down intruders OODA loop even if the dog does nothing but bark. I'm partial to Cane Corso's myself.

Anonymous kfg May 05, 2017 1:04 PM  

@78: " I know you're kidding . . ."

No. I wasn't. Although I accept Snidley's inclusion of the M1 Garand and if I lived in spaces that were more wide open I might be more of a .30-06 aficionado.

Nor do I mean to diss the AR platform. Just to point out that it isn't necessarily the paragon of arms.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 05, 2017 1:07 PM  

@83 Agree 100% about holsters. They're an essential part of the carry system that, unfortunately, are often looked at as an afterthought.

But with a ready-rifle, one reason I like to keep a round chambered is stealth. If I can get to my rifle that's what I'm going for and I don't want the added noise of chambering a round.

Anonymous kfg May 05, 2017 1:09 PM  

Addendum: "There's always time to rack the slide or op handle as my mind is spinning up to full."

On this I tend to concur. Situational awareness, solid patterning, a steady mind and a smooth flow makes for practical speed.

Anonymous Loki7 May 05, 2017 1:13 PM  

!.IDF trained police restraint? Has the DEA cracked down on their list of docs giving them scrips for `roids and speed? @. @59. I can tell you don`t live in the deep south.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 05, 2017 1:13 PM  

@88 Ah so. No such thing as perfect.

I'm not a fan of the 5.56 unless one has an endless supply of 77gr OTM ammo for it. Then again, I'm not a fan of recoil, either, so 7.62 NATO (even in a 9lb gas-operated rifle) stopped being fun.

Everything is a compromise of one kind or another. The DI AR works pretty well for semi-auto use (the AK pattern is firstly a full-auto design) and the Army Marksmanship Unit swatted up a very nice improvement to the platform in the 6.8 SPC. The rifles available to civilians actually, IMO, run rings around what Uncle hands soldiers & Marines.

We in America are most fortunate to have a cornucopia of nifty choices from which to select, limited only by one's budget. Possibly only the Swiss have it better (I love their rifle ranges where the points are on one mountain, the targets on a different mountain, and a road runs through the valley between them.)

Anonymous Grayman May 05, 2017 1:14 PM  

Round chambered, DA only trigger, no safety... SIG

Blogger FALPhil May 05, 2017 1:16 PM  

@12 Vigilantism is preferable to chaos, but far less preferable than an effective police force and criminal justice system. That really should be obvious.

It's not obvious, and you have an assumption problem.

First of all, police exist for the sole purpose of implementing policy of the government. If the government cares solely for itself and not the governed, what makes an effective police force and criminal justice system more preferable to vigilantism? The results would be indistinguishable from a moral perspective.

Anonymous Athor Pel May 05, 2017 1:21 PM  

"62. Anonymous Magus May 05, 2017 12:15 PM
...
The failure points are in isolated cities that've been taken over,
...
the media and schools do a good enough job of hiding what real dangers there are.
"



To quote you again and bolded for emphasis, taken over.

Your description of things is a little surreal.
Everything is ok in most people's minds but just a few cities have been taken over.

Do you realize how bizarre that sounds?

Anonymous BBGKB May 05, 2017 1:22 PM  

Funny how that works. Will be a real eye opener for everyone once we all start living on less than 2000 calories a day

Perhaps you should check out davidthegood or Tree guilds or putting some 5 gallon buckets with rice/beans away.

"Our cities also aren't as vibrant as yours..."

Even faggots are complaining about all the 3rd world nigglets sucking up all the AIDS care services.

Slaves are chosen for positive traits, not negative.

If you are talking about Africa-US it was black moslems selling defeated rival pagan tribes & criminals as slaves to jewish owned ships, sold at jewish own slave markets.

"What is very visible is the mass-shootings at schools in America, or the police shootings or just random gun violence that occurs in America

Our TV also shows smart blacks saying 4 or less words per camera cut/edit. Have you ever meet a black as smart or a white leading man as stupid (((AsSEENonTV)))?

During the week of Cecil the Lion coverage a mexican was caught on video tossing the body of Maddie Middleton the 8yo white girl into a dumpster after he raped her to death but it was only a local story, similar to the black moslem serial killer of gays in 3 states Ali Mohamad Brown had online gays saying "I am from PA and I never heard of him" with PA & NJ being 2 of the states.

Sam the Man did you hear about the black moslem serial killer of gays in 3 states on the news?

LawyerGuy Now the system to move food breaking down due to depolicing in major communities, I can see. However, once D'shaunda and D'niquia get a little hungry and burn down thirty-three blocks, the feds will seize the trucking companies and produce sorters and install called up guardsmen as in cab armed guards

What will they do if a crack pipe burns down a bridge(as seen in Atlanta)or someone spills some thermite? The food stamp system went down on 10-12-2013 for 8 hours with major chimpouts. Given how every guard member I knew that went to Katrina went believing in equality and came back saying the Turner Diaries came true I don't think they will try that hard.

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Blogger Gospace May 05, 2017 1:30 PM  

61. GracieLou May 05, 2017 12:11 PM
Also, it's kind of a myth that all British Americans voluntarily immigrated. See: The Highland Clearances. Very relevant reading for today.


I don't know anyone educated who thinks that all the Brits came here as volunteers. Convicts were routinely transported to the colonies, notably the southern ones. The northern colonies is where most of the religious refugees seeking to escape the clutches of the Church of England went. And Canada, Prince Edward Island, where my Scottish ancestors were resettled, and Nova Scotia got the Highland clearance settlers.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 05, 2017 1:31 PM  

Given how every guard member I knew that went to Katrina went believing in equality and came back saying the Turner Diaries came true I don't think they will try that hard.

What did I read once about the difference in AFRICA between a tourist and a racist?

About two weeks?

Anonymous kfg May 05, 2017 1:47 PM  

@92: "The rifles available to civilians actually, IMO, run rings around what Uncle hands soldiers & Marines."

There ya go, although what is issued certainly does the intended job. There is, however, a current fad for glorifying military gear. I note that the needs of an army my be rather divergent from the needs of an individual and equipping yourself with military gear might be buying yourself short.

Whether it is still relevant might be argued (and certainly is), but Cooper's concept of the Scout Rifle was made in understanding of this and that understanding is certainly still relevant.

I'm old and suffer from Audrey Hepburn's disease (near fatal childhood malnutrition), so I've never been mechanically robust, and living in the northeast I have little need for 800 yard shooting other than for sport. If I could only have one arm I wouldn't feel "outgunned" with a Scout in .243.

Or, for that matter, an 1894 and Hornady ballistic tips.

The downside being the inability to scrounge ammo from the blue helmets who "don't need it any more."

Anonymous kfg May 05, 2017 1:49 PM  

"The northern colonies is where most of the religious refugees seeking to escape the clutches of the Church of England went."

Often paying their passage by indenturing themselves.

Anonymous Dan May 05, 2017 1:50 PM  

I find a lot of this police-bashing on this thread to be really uninformed. If you live and work in an un-crowded, leafy suburb or rural area among only high-time-preference people, good for you.

Some points:

(1) You cannot personally administer justice for many reasons. The biggest is that if you harm or kill someone even justifiably, you are in a legal tangle for a long time to come -- probably years at least. For police, it is their job and the criminal justice system understands that. The other big reason is that you lack the position of a neutral party. Imagine a drunk crashes into your car and then imagine their reaction when you try to citizen-arrest them.

(2) Yes it is true that police don't legally have to protect you. If that was a legal obligation, then the police department would be financially liable anytime someone hurts someone else. I could even have you punch me in the face so we could split the proceeds.

But police do their best to protect the public up to and including putting their life on the line because most of them are tremendously honorable people. Something close to 90% supported Trump and most are sincerely religious. They are usually straightforward people and are among the ones in society least infected with bizarre liberal mind-viruses. I would be honored if my daughter married a police officer, in most instances, even though he would be essentially blue collar and probably not an intellectual.


Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 05, 2017 1:55 PM  

The de-policing looks limited in geography. Just because cops in Chicago and Baltimore have backed way off doesn't mean the cops in Memphis or Denver have. So far the public effects are more murders in selected areas of selected cities, like Baltimore and Chicago.

Now that the White House isn't overtly siding with #OnlyBlackLivesMatter anymore, perhaps summer won't be the same as 2015 and 2016. Cops will remain unappreciated in black neighborhoods no matter what.

This would be a good place to mention Boston T. Party's book "You and the police". Some of it is dated, most still good info. It's available many places including eBay, but best bought direct from here .

Anonymous Sam the Man May 05, 2017 1:56 PM  

Few comments on Gun owning in the UK from a competitive shooter point of view:

1) Shotguns were not regulated , other than to limit ownership to those 14 and older prior to 1968. Post 1968 you got a shotgun permit, once you had it you could buy and sell without much restrictions until post 1997.

2) Permitting of rifled arms was rather strict, in as much as you were not allowed to own something unless you had justification for it. That rule existed from 1920 on.

3) In practical terms it limited rifle use for competition and for deer hunting.

4) Rifle competition never went past the stage of using bolt action rifles for NRA type prone shooting. Even though in 1960 you could buy a Belgian FAL, it was not eligible for use in full bore, until 1968 you had to use a Lee Enfield. After 1968 you still had to use a military bolt action rifle as a target rifle. The start of the ownership of self loading rifles did not take off until practical military rifle course, based on the MRC of Australia started to become popular in the early 1980s.

As a result in the 1988 ban, only 4,700 permitted rifles were affected in Scotland, England and Wales. Those owners were not sufficient to stop the ban, and the UK NRA just sat by.

In the case of pistols the last Home office guidance that technically allowed self-defense as a reason was in the late 1940s, though I have heard of that excuse being accepted until 1954. It was definitely not allowed after 1954, which incidentally coincide with the start of low cost surplus WWII pistols being dumped out of Weedon. Post 1954 collecting (of pre 1919) and competitive shooting were all that was allowed.

The 1997 ban affects a hug number of shooters, as there were a lot of folks that used them and owned them, by far most of the handguns being .22 cal.


UK/Commonwealth gun club shooters are a small fraternity, but some of the friendliest folks I know. My best overseas shooting trips have been with those folks, they define what shooter-gentlemen should be like.


Also as far as Switzerland being a gunny heaven, not so since 1999. Yes if you have legal residence and are approved for arms in your home county you can by so called "free weapons" (Bolt action and black powder), The use is highly regulated by custom and law. You do not go buy you K31 and then go buy a case of ammo for it to blast away at the local club, it is far more regulated than that. The events you can shoot at most rifle clubs are pretty much limited to prone, kneeling and standing ISSU type events, at strictly sized targets. Any ammunition you buy at the range must be expended at the range that very day.

The only exception is private clubs, but to get in is difficult for a Auslander and even there the allowed shooting, though more relaxed than the 3,000 Federally sanctioned ranges, would be akin to a US controlled hunting club range.

Post 1999: no concealed carry (except for very narrow limits) no new full auto, weapons permit required for each pistol/shotgun/lever action/slide action/self loading arm (permit valid for up to 3 arms). Get a DUI, lose possession. except for hunting, forget shooting off of a sanctioned range, do not expect to go to the wilds like in CA, or your backyard, set up a target had have fun. Excessive toll fees, AR is around 1,500 and up. Cost of every thing is very high. You can buy GP-11 cheaper in the US than in Switzerland from a commercial dealer. Yes GP11 is cheaper at the range, but walk off the range with it and it is a crime that will be punished, ever round is electronically tracked (on most but the very smallest club ranges).

The US Billy-Joe-Jim-Bob in his natural free and loose gun club environment would not find it to his liking.

Anonymous kfg May 05, 2017 1:59 PM  

"If you live and work in an un-crowded, leafy suburb or rural area among only high-time-preference people, good for you."

Hardly. I live in the old section of a small "vibrant" city whose police are sufficiently corrupt that it has required multiple interventions of the governor to protect The People from them.

"You cannot personally administer justice for many reasons."

Self defence is not "the administration of justice." It is self defence.

" . . . if you harm or kill someone even justifiably, you are in a legal tangle for a long time to come --"

As my small city is in the state of NY, one of the issues I have to face with regards to defending myself is that I'm not at all sure that being judged by 12 is superior to being carried by six. If I must use lethal force to defend my own life, my life is ruined and tortuous.

I've got to get out of this place.

Blogger DeploraBard May 05, 2017 2:00 PM  

Going to South Africa on deployment for 3 weeks this summer. Can give you a two week field report!

Anonymous Sam the Man May 05, 2017 2:03 PM  

BBKG

Sam the Man did you hear about the black moslem serial killer of gays in 3 states on the news?

Nope no such thing and I live in a border county next to NJ. Does not surprise me. was with the wife and kids on the Jersey shore when the Muslim bomber tied to blow up a bomb at a Military-charity run last September, then went up to NY and planted some bombs, one week after the event it was like it never occurred.

Every one I know does not trust the news, at work when we hear of "youth" doing something in Philly, the joke is that every one says "are they Amish?".

It is actually comical. The MSM is the Fake news now.

Blogger allyn71 May 05, 2017 2:05 PM  

And inside the home, if I'm surprised then I already did something egregiously wrong. There's always time to rack the slide or op handle as my mind is spinning up to full.

To each their own and far be it from me to say what preparations are necessary for an individuals own circumstances regarding responsible firearm ownership.

That said, it is well documented that fine motor skills go to shit in gun fighting situations. For me and my sons actuating the slide in that situation is not going to be a problem but for the women folk, while they are proficient with the technique required, they are more emotional and generally less likely to operate the weapon expertly under stress.

It is a fact, in this house at least, that the women are more likely to fuck up under stress. I would rather risk a negligent discharge to no discharge when one is needed by them. If they need it I want them to be able to grab the weapon, point it where it needs to be pointed and pull the trigger. Under stress that is about all they are going to manage. You can say they need more trigger time and I would agree, but while girls like guns, they rarely LIKE guns.

Anonymous Magus May 05, 2017 2:07 PM  

@kfg - maybe just a bias on my part and the people I speak to, either by age bracket or class. I don't know anyone for whom gun ownership was considered normal for them or anyone in their family. No one who can tell me about a family member who owns or ever owned a gun who wasn't out in the countryside.

You sound like you know more on how common it was than me, so I'll grant you that point here. I'm just not aware of anyone for whom the idea of being able to own a gun is something that is memorable to them.

By "we" I mean... well, again, probably my own perspective and the metropolitan people I know, but whenever I have these conversations, that's the kind of gun people are talking about, the examples they use - a pistol on your belt or a rifle in your home.

@Athor - it's not so surreal once you consider how tribal people are, especially once you get outside the major cities. If it's not happening to people you know, if you're not seeing it on your streets, and if the TV isn't talking about it, it isn't happening.

I'm not saying it's not small-minded but it's also very understandable. Why is a guy from Hull gonna march down to Rotherham and find out what's going on and sort it out? Why is a mother gonna care about knife crime in Streatham if she's safe in the leafy suburbs of Addigtin? Out of sight, out of mind. That's how this invasion has been able to progress so far as it has, and that's why white people dont feel the need to strap up.

Which is sort of the point Vox is getting at above, I think. You don't feel the need to start beefing up your security so long as you're removed from certain demographics, whether it be hiring more police or getting more guns. In our case people are happy to let the police gain a greater monopoly on the use of force, because it's still just in certain select, high value areas/targets, and they feel like the police must be doing a good job where they live (and entirely ignore that it's simply a matter of local demographics), negating any need for them to be personally protected.

Blogger allyn71 May 05, 2017 2:12 PM  

@102 Dan I find a lot of this police-bashing on this thread to be really uninformed. If you live and work in an un-crowded, leafy suburb or rural area among only high-time-preference people, good for you.

@105 kfg I've got to get out of this place.

Dan meet kfg, kfg meet Dan.

You both need to move. Or get ready if you don't. Alabama has some room I hear.

Anonymous kfg May 05, 2017 2:15 PM  

@109: "I'm just not aware of anyone for whom the idea of being able to own a gun is something that is memorable to them."

Exactly. Look at the attitudinal demographics of the Brexit vote. Those old enough to remember, out. Those so young that they know nothing but the Brussels Soviet, in, and screaming that the old people with the experience to contrast the two shouldn't be allowed to vote.

You are separated from the experiences of your community elders. This not an accident.

Anonymous Dan May 05, 2017 2:22 PM  

One reason I think why police stand down in places like Baltimore is that nobody calls them. It is much easier to for the cop to come when they get a complaint. Then they are aren't 'profiling' -- they are just responding and they can't be accused of racism or harassment. But if the locals have a no-snitch policy then the cops won't be called. I think the Baltimore and Chicago crime rates are the equilibrium that the locals are choosing.

Anonymous kfg May 05, 2017 2:27 PM  

@110: " Alabama has some room I hear."

Used to have an aunt who lived in a restored Victorian three miles from Talladega Speedway. Thousands of square feet she had no idea what to do with.

But she's doing the motorhome thing now, and I can't help being a Yankee. Vermont has its issues, but it has constitutional carry. If I really feel the need to get out of Yankeeland, I'm thinking Montana/Wyoming. Not that they appreciate Yankees there either, but it's the northern deciduous where I feel at home.

Just a couple minutes into the Daniel Day-Lewis LotM I found myself saying to myself "that's not here." The underbrush was all wrong.

Anonymous Dan May 05, 2017 2:30 PM  

@allyn71 -- The idea of retreating, and the idea of ceding territory, is hateful to me. So much of the (once) best real estate has already been ceded.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 05, 2017 2:32 PM  

@108 That said, it is well documented that fine motor skills go to shit in gun fighting situations.

Even good training can replicate this and I doubt that even the best training is 1/10 as stressful as a gun fight. Those nice tight groups open up into big ugly ones and stupid mistakes happen. At this point many people will blame their equipment instead of recognizing effects of stress.

Blogger allyn71 May 05, 2017 2:34 PM  

@ kfg

I was mostly trying to get a rise out of our Southron brethren. Farthest south I have lived is Muncie, IN. Grew up in the east but left the Mississippi river in the rear view a long time ago. Montana and Wyoming are cold and windy in the winter. No one would want to live there.

Blogger allyn71 May 05, 2017 2:41 PM  

The idea of retreating, and the idea of ceding territory, is hateful to me. So much of the (once) best real estate has already been ceded.

I can respect that. If that is the case you better get personally ready because the blue badge gang at going to do it for you.

But police do their best to protect the public up to and including putting their life on the line because most of them are tremendously honorable people. Something close to 90% supported Trump and most are sincerely religious. They are usually straightforward people and are among the ones in society least infected with bizarre liberal mind-viruses. I would be honored if my daughter married a police officer, in most instances, even though he would be essentially blue collar and probably not an intellectual.

This is fairly true in areas that you should consider moving to but if you think they are going to make a stand for you in the diverse areas while you hold out on ceded ground, history teaches you will probably be wrong. Hope reality doesn't prove my point for you. Good Luck.

Anonymous kfg May 05, 2017 2:44 PM  

@Dan: "The idea of retreating, and the idea of ceding territory, is hateful to me."

There is that as well.

@allyn71: " Montana and Wyoming are cold and windy in the winter. No one would want to live there."

About the only place in the 48 colder and windier than where I am, so there would be an element of out of the fridge and into the freezer to it. The trick is to live in the lee of the mountains and not out on the plain.

Blogger allyn71 May 05, 2017 2:47 PM  

Ohh that is the trick :)

People that don't live with a lot of folks around then tend to like to keep it that way. Most of the good places to live in the country prefer if you think it is cold and windy in the winter.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus May 05, 2017 2:47 PM  

Let's face it - a major problem is the fact that because of "fairness," the police have basically taken to treating white commuters who speed or white homeowners who have an epileptic kid with seizures the same way they would drug dealing thugs in the inner city. In other words, people who really aren't the problem are treated as if they are. Thus, they stop supporting and stop caring. The police, then, get defensive and come down with an even heavier hand, which leads to more hatred from the people who should be the po-po's biggest supporters.

Vicious cycle.

Caused by "fairness," which is itself an offshoot of die-versity and democracy.

To solve the problem, we - as a society - would have to accept that the police *should not* treat everyone the same way. Blacks and hispanics *should* get more scrutiny, and sometimes more brutality, from the police than whites should get because reality says they're the ones causing more of the problem.

But this will, obviously, never happen.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl May 05, 2017 2:48 PM  

Good neighborhoods self-police.

Check out the Sheriff of Milwaukee and the Police Chief of Detroit - they say to own weapons to protect your homes and families.

And there we go :)

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 05, 2017 2:48 PM  

@109 Magus
@kfg - maybe just a bias on my part and the people I speak to, either by age bracket or class. I don't know anyone for whom gun ownership was considered normal for them or anyone in their family. No one who can tell me about a family member who owns or ever owned a gun who wasn't out in the countryside.

That's selection bias at work, in the dimensions of space and time.

“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
George Orwell

More here Is gun control Orwellian? Ask Orwell

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 05, 2017 2:51 PM  

@116
Montana and Wyoming are cold and windy in the winter. No one would want to live there.

My friends in Wyoming agree with you, and wish that more newbies in Jackson thought that way.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl May 05, 2017 2:54 PM  

@7 Reenay

Truth. I know in the US there are states (New York, California) that are less weapon friendly, but even those states have a form of Castle Doctrine. Some cities have duty to retreat, as do some HOAs (so I've heard), but really - protect your home first.

I understand his concern of neighborhoods going rough, but legally speaking in the US, in most places you can use force to repel an intruder.

Anonymous BBGKB May 05, 2017 2:58 PM  

Dan meet kfg, kfg meet Dan.You both need to move. Or get ready if you don't. Alabama has some room I hear

I hear it has magic dirt that makes blacks behave. Consider moving to the northwest redoubt, or if that's too far away move to coal country as section 8 has realized houses heated with coal can't be maintained by blacks. I think one of the reasons the ELITE have a special hatred of Mormons is their practice of having 1year or more of survival food will mess up the starve them out plan. They jewed down a lot of minor canning centers. http://modernsurvivalblog.com/food-storage-calculator-for-one-year-bulk-supply/

They are usually straightforward people and are among the ones in society least infected with bizarre liberal mind-viruses.

All first responders encounter reality that's different from SEEN ON TV

Anonymous TS May 05, 2017 3:01 PM  

"I would be honored if my daughter married a police officer..."

Yeah that would be a bad dad move Dan.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 05, 2017 3:09 PM  


All first responders encounter reality that's different from SEEN ON TV


Dude, those are second responders.

Blogger Chris Mallory May 05, 2017 3:16 PM  

WinstonWebb wrote:Move all of the dindus to Louisiana. 100% of them.

Be better to move them up North, say Massachusetts. The Yankees wanted to free them and then worked to destroy Jim Crow. So let the Yankees have them. Blacks and Boston, what a winning combination.

Blogger James Dixon May 05, 2017 3:16 PM  

> But this will, obviously, never happen.

Never is a long time. Things change.

Blogger Chris Mallory May 05, 2017 3:18 PM  

bosscauser wrote:Why would anyone take the job?

Because where else can a low IQ roid freak get a job with a bloated paycheck and platinum benefits that lets them retire after 20 years?

A person has to be morally defective and of suspect character to want to be a cop.

Blogger Jed Mask May 05, 2017 3:19 PM  

Hmmm...

Well, police should be psychologically, emotionally, mentally and physically well-trained enough to shoot at suspected suspects without taking the life of the suspect(s) in question.

The "killing" of a suspect of a crime should only be a last resort action.

All guilty/innocent suspects should be tried in court before being deemed for punishment or not. Amen.

~ Bro. Jed

Blogger Mocheirge May 05, 2017 3:24 PM  

Ah, a favorite phrase of cucks: "I would be honored if my daughter married a <socially undesirable type>" Admittedly not as popular as "Some of my closest friends are <dyscivic fiends>", but it gets good mileage in Churchian circles.

Blogger Whisker biscuit May 05, 2017 3:24 PM  

I come here to read Vox, I stay to read DC Sunsets. Waiting for your personal blog to add to my day trips.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 05, 2017 3:25 PM  

Mocheirge wrote:Admittedly not as popular as "Some of my closest friends are <dyscivic fiends>", but it gets good mileage in Churchian circles.
Most people hesitate to lie.

Anonymous kfg May 05, 2017 3:27 PM  

" . . . well-trained enough to shoot at suspected suspects without taking the life of the suspect(s) in question."

You need to pick a different universe to live in. Perhaps Marvel or DC would suit you better.

Blogger Chris Mallory May 05, 2017 3:29 PM  

GracieLou wrote:Also helps you understand why Scots/Irish American good ol boys are all about the guns, land, and anti-government.

The Scots-Irish Americans were not the Highlanders. They were Lowland/Border Scots and from Ulster. The Highland Clearances took place after the Scots-Irish had made their place in America.

Blogger Chris Mallory May 05, 2017 3:38 PM  

Dan wrote:(1) You cannot personally administer justice for many reasons.

It is not the job of the cops to "administer justice". That they try is one reason so many whites have turned against them.

Blogger owlish May 05, 2017 3:40 PM  

Chris Mallory wrote:WinstonWebb wrote:Move all of the dindus to Louisiana. 100% of them.

Be better to move them up North, say Massachusetts. The Yankees wanted to free them and then worked to destroy Jim Crow. So let the Yankees have them. Blacks and Boston, what a winning combination.


I hear Alaska is nice.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 05, 2017 3:47 PM  

Texas bill would penalize towns and police departments that don't comply with ICE requests

If this passes, no more sanctuary cities in Texas. We're looking at you, city of Austin and Travis County.

Under the legislation, which Gov. Greg Abbott has promised to sign, local law-enforcement officials could face criminal penalties if they don’t comply with requests from federal authorities to detain illegal immigrants.

The bill also permits police to inquire about the immigration status of suspects and prohibits municipalities from blocking the enforcement of federal immigration law.

Earlier this year, the Democratic sheriff of Travis County, Sally Hernandez, ordered her department to stop detaining illegal immigrants on behalf of federal authorities, a practice that would be barred under the bill. In response, Mr. Abbott, a Republican, stripped $1.8 million in state grants from the county, which includes most of Austin.

Anonymous Grayman May 05, 2017 3:50 PM  

Jed Mask wrote:Hmmm...

Well, police should be psychologically, emotionally, mentally and physically well-trained enough to shoot at suspected suspects without taking the life of the suspect(s) in question.

The "killing" of a suspect of a crime should only be a last resort action.

All guilty/innocent suspects should be tried in court before being deemed for punishment or not. Amen.

~ Bro. Jed



HOLLY SH$T ON A STICK!!!!!! You do NOT shoot to wound. If you are engaging a firearm your only purpose is to KILL. If you pull that trigger you had best not stop until the target is dead. Otherwise you have demonstrated that the target was not truly an immediate threat to yours or someone elses life.

You need some training, fast!!!


In case you still don't get it, a firearm is a lethal weapon, a lethal weapon has only 1 purpose..... to Kill. less than lethal force consists of batons, pepper spray, tasers etc.

You also need a reality check. The average private gun owner is better trained in marksmanship then the average cop who qualifies once a year on a range and that is it.

Blogger kennymac May 05, 2017 3:56 PM  

@107 another member of the VFM in Bucks County?!? Well whattaya know!

Anonymous kfg May 05, 2017 3:57 PM  

https://infogalactic.com/info/North_Hollywood_shootout

Anonymous Sam thre Man May 05, 2017 4:33 PM  

Kennymac,

Yup, north of Doylestown. member of BCF&G.

Wife and kids go to St. John the Baptist in Ottsville.

a certain relative of mine used to live at the Cuttalossa farm, the one who built it as it presently is and made it famous.

Blogger Jed Mask May 05, 2017 4:34 PM  

@135 (kfg) Talk all ya want, in many cases, people end up dead unnecessarily cuz a cop (or cops) doesn't know how to properly handle an intense situation without shooting to kill and not de-escalate and counter-defuse a standoff or physical assault.

Timid cops shouldn't be on the front line of duty with serious situations if they can't end a situation without killing someone unnecessarily.

@140 (Grayman) Okay, okay... even so a firearm shouldn't be used to kill a suspect unless absolutely necessary in a life-death situation.

To use a firearm to injury a suspect to take in captivity should be the usual case to using a firearm that just to simply "off" the target being confronted with no real effort in trying to "resolve" the situation with no deaths.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams May 05, 2017 4:41 PM  

@144 Jed Mask provides some insight into what appears to be terrible aim when blacks shoot other blacks.

Perhaps that's not the case at all. Perhaps all that bad aim is just a black trying to teach another black a lesson.

Yet more evidence of why segregation will come again.

Anonymous GrayMan May 05, 2017 4:49 PM  

@144 Jed

people end up dead unnecessarily cuz a cop (or cops) doesn't know how to properly handle an intense situation without shooting to kill and not de-escalate and counter-defuse a standoff or physical assault.

This I agree with. The police are currently trained in a soldier mentality and would therefore be expected to see anyone they engage as a potential threat, as opposed to training a cop as a peace officer.


To use a firearm to injury a suspect to take in captivity should be the usual case to using a firearm that just to simply "off" the target being confronted with no real effort in trying to "resolve" the situation with no deaths.

Wrong again. Once the situation has reached the point where you perceive a legitimate immediate threat to your life your goal should be to permanently end that threat as quickly as possible.
Some people can take 10 rounds and still be a physical threat, sometime a single round is lethal. In the heat of the moment there is no way to know what the case will be and hence you are either incompetent for not eliminating the threat or the threat was not "real" if you can casually disengage the confrontation.

In general police draw their weapon entirely too easily.
If police were held to the same standard as a private citizen for drawing a weapon on someone most police who have drawn their weapon would be in prison.

I do not have a personal issue with police. The responses they have been trained to engage in are highly problematic at best (trained as soldiers, not peace officers) and the selection process tends to select those whose personalities only exacerbate the issue.

A better system would be something like the UK where the average patrol man is a “peace officer” and any real violent conflict is engaged by SWAT with proper weaponry and tactics.

Anonymous kfg May 05, 2017 4:51 PM  

@144: "Talk all ya want . . ."

I do. I need no grant of privilege from you to do so.

"To use a firearm to injury a suspect to take in captivity should be the usual case . . ."

You are talking as if you are the sort of idiot who thinks that a cop can "de-escalate" a violent situation by shooting the gun out of the bad guy's hand, or some equally goofy comic book maneuver.

Protip: It only works in the comic books. In real life you shoot to hit and a hit is lethal force. If it isn't lethal force, you shouldn't be using a gun in the first place.

Smartin' up.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 05, 2017 4:54 PM  

@ Allyn71 It is a fact, in this house at least, that the women are more likely to fuck up under stress. I would rather risk a negligent discharge to no discharge when one is needed by them.

My wife is essentially never home without me, so she's the back-up plan anyway. Frankly, the way I prefer to approach it, if someone isn't intimately familiar with guns, I tend to prefer them to be even less close to "bang," not closer.

Could just be me. Anyhow, my wife can run what I own adequately, including the gross-motor skill of racking a slide on a typical pistol.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer May 05, 2017 4:55 PM  

Everyone. Idaho sucks stay away.

Anonymous kfg May 05, 2017 4:57 PM  

"The police are currently trained in a soldier mentality . . ."

They march down my quite residential street, bearing the colors, and chanting, "Issue me an M-16. Now I am a shooting machine!"

Leaving me to wonder just who,what and why, they are intending to shoot in a machine like manner. Better they should have their arms removed and distributed to the citizenry.

Anonymous Tyrone J. McVeigh May 05, 2017 4:57 PM  

The whole police thing is interesting.

On one hand you have incredibly lax police rules in some areas (suburbia), usually where Whites live. The police won't intervene even during Black riots.

On the other you have liberal castles like NYC where Stop & Frisk runs rampant.

Double standard.

The liberals will protect themselves, not you.

On a similar note https://tyronetrump.wordpress.com/2017/05/05/deconstructing-sodomo-zionist-semitic-ethnopsychology/

Anonymous BBGKB May 05, 2017 5:01 PM  

" . . . well-trained enough to shoot at suspected suspects without taking the life of the suspect(s) in question."

Shoot center mass there have been groids with 17 cop bullets in them that lived. You know it will be a moving target right?

kennymac another member of the VFM in Bucks County?!? Well whattaya know!

Next time I go to NYC I will have to mention it to see if anyone wants to meet up.

Perhaps all that bad aim is just a black trying to teach another black a lesson.

That little kids shouldn't be hanging around bangers?

Anonymous kfg May 05, 2017 5:01 PM  

"The liberals will protect themselves, not you."

Looks like a single standard to me. The King's guard is there to protect the King.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 05, 2017 5:05 PM  

You are talking as if you are the sort of idiot who thinks that a cop can "de-escalate" a violent situation by shooting the gun out of the bad guy's hand, or some equally goofy comic book maneuver.

Because they're not just cops. They're Supercops.

Blogger Last Redoubt May 05, 2017 5:16 PM  

"De policing" may also make it easier to deal with the antifa types who think it's oK to advertise they want to crush us.

http://gunfreezone.net/index.php/2017/05/04/war-is-officially-declared/

I followed up to the site - looks like it's legit Antifa commies, and yeah....

Anonymous Grayman May 05, 2017 5:29 PM  

BBGKB

NYC meetup and I'm in

Anonymous karsten May 05, 2017 5:35 PM  

"You cannot personally administer justice for many reasons. The biggest is that if you harm or kill someone even justifiably, you are in a legal tangle for a long time to come -- probably years at least"

This strikes me as a hitherto-unanswered (and I suspect unanswerable) rebuttal to those childishly libertarian "Why do you need other people to solve YOUR damned problems?" responses in this thread.

Until and unless solving one's own damned problems becomes legal, that's not a rational argument -- unless someone is really just trying to goad people into ending up in jail, losing their life savings on legal fees, or likely both. Or just talking tough.

Blogger michaeloh59 May 05, 2017 5:41 PM  

#77 "Now the system to move food breaking down due to depolicing in major communities, I can see. However, once D'shaunda and D'niquia get a little hungry and burn down thirty-three blocks, the feds will seize the trucking companies and produce sorters and install called up guardsmen as in cab armed guards."

More likely Uncle Sambo will just give La-a ( the dash don't be silent) a voucher so she and her youths can live comfortably in your hood and shop at your stores. Problem solved!

Blogger allyn71 May 05, 2017 5:45 PM  

Everyone. Idaho sucks stay away.

That is what I always say about the Gem State. Nothing to see, move along.

Blogger allyn71 May 05, 2017 5:49 PM  

My wife is essentially never home without me, so she's the back-up plan anyway. Frankly, the way I prefer to approach it, if someone isn't intimately familiar with guns, I tend to prefer them to be even less close to "bang," not closer.

Like I said everyone knows their own situation best. For me and mine there will be no doubt that they will go "bang" if they are needed to for self defense by anyone in the family and all the defensive firearms through the house are ready for immediate use.

Blogger michaeloh59 May 05, 2017 5:59 PM  

#94
"@12 Vigilantism is preferable to chaos, but far less preferable than an effective police force and criminal justice system. That really should be obvious."

"It's not obvious, and you have an assumption problem.

First of all, police exist for the sole purpose of implementing policy of the government. If the government cares solely for itself and not the governed, what makes an effective police force and criminal justice system more preferable to vigilantism? The results would be indistinguishable from a moral perspective."

When I read silly comments like this I can only guess that the writer has never lived in a country with truly average, which is to say truly poor policing. Our Police Departments, like our local schools and much else about America is visibly inferior to much of the America that middle aged folks can remember. Yet just a little bit of travel suffices to teach that we have a LOT of room for further regression to the world mean. In a discussion between adults my first statement is uncontroversial. Vigilantism is an African thing, and if it becomes necessary here it is because we have devolved to African levels of chaos in which fools who talked smack in the safety of a relatively peaceful society cower in fear of the random crime and mini-genocides.

Blogger Chiva May 05, 2017 6:33 PM  

"Vigilantism is an African thing"

Incorrect.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch May 05, 2017 6:58 PM  

VD: "Crime or no crime, who is going into diversity city anyhow?"

Poor whites who can't afford to get out.

Blogger Student in Blue May 05, 2017 7:32 PM  

@155. Last Redoubt

I looked into it after someone told me that Boston Antifa is actually satire, and apparently they're right.

https://www.therebel.media/gavin_mcinnes_april_7_2017

Anonymous Brick Hardslab May 05, 2017 7:58 PM  

Idaho was heaven when I was a boy. Now Coeur d'Alene is a Californian outpost.

Blogger kennymac May 05, 2017 8:10 PM  

Sam the Man,

I was just up in your area not too long ago, needed some work done on my banjo. I'm closer to I -95 myself.

BBGKB and Grayman, as much as I loathe traveling to NYC, especially now with Penn Station such a mess, I'd make an exception to meet up with you and Grayman.

Anonymous Sam the Man May 05, 2017 8:23 PM  

Kennymac

Guitar barn?

Not that far from me.

Anonymous Rocklea May 05, 2017 8:59 PM  

@Grayman
"http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/woman-develops-iq-of-220-after-drinking-sperm-everyday-for-a-year/"

Bill Clinton eat your heart out. It's just as well we are not praying mantis.

Blogger Koanic May 05, 2017 9:13 PM  

You do NOT shoot to wound. If you are engaging a firearm your only purpose is to KILL.

You're wrong. Hoodrats regularly shoot dealers in the legs as professional courtesy and to avoid police attention.

Now as to why a low-IQ black guy is more correct than a white guy with a stratospheric IQ... I leave that to you.

Anonymous Marvin Boggs May 05, 2017 9:30 PM  

@99: I know I posted that a few months back; heard it from some expats in a restaurant in Kampala (Uganda). My suggestion would be that it's far less than 2 weeks if you use an SJW-style definition of "racist".

Blogger Lazarus May 05, 2017 9:42 PM  

kfg wrote:They march down my quite residential street, bearing the colors, and chanting, "Issue me an M-16. Now I am a shooting machine!"



Where the hell do YOU live? It sounds like the description an elderly Jewish entertainment industry lawyer told me at lunch in the Wolfgang Puck restaurant at the Hotel Bel Air about his experience in Germany when the Brown Shirts marched in the streets.

(mic drop)

Blogger Lazarus May 05, 2017 9:59 PM  

Athor Pel wrote:"Times aren't hard enough yet for people to feel the need for protection."

Funny how that works. Will be a real eye opener for everyone once we all start living on less than 2000 calories a day.

__


Vote for socialism, lose the fat.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/venezuela-is-starving-1493995317

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 05, 2017 10:18 PM  

Tennor banjo?

Blogger Mountain Man May 05, 2017 10:27 PM  

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Blogger Mountain Man May 05, 2017 10:29 PM  

"Once you understand that the police are neither there to stop crime nor protect you, your reaction to de-policing is pretty much the exact opposite of the one the media wants you to have.”

This X 10.
As a young lad my pathway was leading to law enforcement... game warden specifically. Unanticipated circumstances put the kibosh to that plan. Its obvious, in hindsight, that most of life would have been spent trying to serve to two masters - being true to ones principles vs. enforcing the edicts of the State. Knowing that by acceding to the latter the trophy would have been a gold plated pension. However, in exchange, I would have ended up a shell of my former self.
Although life’s journey has been a bit tougher financially 25 years later there are still no regrets about my decision.

“ To thine own self be true”

Anonymous JAG May 05, 2017 10:34 PM  

GrayMan wrote:@144 Jed

people end up dead unnecessarily cuz a cop (or cops) doesn't know how to properly handle an intense situation without shooting to kill and not de-escalate and counter-defuse a standoff or physical assault.

This I agree with. The police are currently trained in a soldier mentality and would therefore be expected to see anyone they engage as a potential threat, as opposed to training a cop as a peace officer.


Our soldiers have much more strict rules of engagement with Muslim terrorist scum than our police officers do with average every day American citizens.

Anonymous Precious May 05, 2017 10:35 PM  

Now that Darren Wilson can look back on that day in Ferguson in hindsight, he sees the wisdom in waiting for backup before trying to force compliance and arrest someone who outweighs him by over a hundred pounds.

Anonymous Avalanche May 05, 2017 11:04 PM  

@146 "The responses they have been trained to engage in are highly problematic at best (trained as soldiers, not peace officers)"

The police are *rightly* trained as soldiers because THEY are in a war! Only naifs believe there is NOT a low-level race war going on now, that has been going on for a number of YEARS! (Bro.Jed has CLEARLY never learned anything about self-defense or policing (perhaps even nothing about guns! Maybe go take some gun classes, esp. a self-defense class and learn about, not shooting the gun -- but when and how to DRAW the gun!)

People sitting safe in their leafy neighborhoods are unaware of what is really going on in the U.S. Police are the frontline soldiers in a war "we' pretend isn't actually happening -- or if it is, it's not happening anywhere near us!

Is it Van Creveld or Lind (or our own Kratman?) who says that: we don't get to 'decide' when a war starts or ends; the ENEMY GETS A VOTE! You can pretend all you want that it's all peaceful on the home front. You're 100% WRONG!

Blogger Mountain Man May 05, 2017 11:18 PM  

"But she's doing the motorhome thing now, and I can't help being a Yankee. Vermont has its issues, but it has constitutional carry. “

Vermont is a very expensive state to live in. If you have limited funds and don’t have a plethora of self sufficiency skills to draw from - it will vomit you out. This is coming from someone who spent most of his adult life in the state..at one time even living for six years in a hunting camp with no indoor plumbing or electricity. Over that time I saw the changes take place - not for the good. Its become filled with r- strategists and SJW “back to the land” types- mostly transplants from NJ and NYC.
Don’t ignore northern NH and western Maine. Predominately white, due to the harsh climate, they both have constitutional carry. These areas have also tended to be free from the hard left down-country types that have plagued Vermont. It just doesn’t have the cachet that Vermont has - yet its just as beautiful..just in a harsher and more rugged way.

Blogger Skyler the Weird May 05, 2017 11:55 PM  

The Brits banned guns cause unemployed WWI veterans in Berlin, Vienna, Budapest, and Petrograd were taking to the streets to fight the elites and they'd have none of that Bolshevism in Blighty.

Blogger Junior May 06, 2017 12:04 AM  

Hey I moved to the NoCal sticks to get away from big city problems. It worked. As far as cops backing off enforcement in enriched neighborhoods I feel for the honest people, but it seems like the logical thing to do.

Blogger Beau May 06, 2017 12:59 AM  

OT

Tonight on the courthouse lawn Chris and John gave up their syringes and heroin. John poured out a full forty dollar bottle of liquor on the ground after being saved and slain in the Spirit. Chris immediately sobered when the healing evangelist laid a hand on him.

Trisha from Christ's Church gave her first public address on post-abortion trauma counseling.

Jim dedicated a baby.

Thank you Jesus. I'm still hungry for more of God. Lord Jesus, prepare us for a great awakening.

Anonymous Mr. Rational May 06, 2017 1:21 AM  

michaeloh59 wrote:the most likely scenario is a continuation of current trends: increasing violation of white neighborhoods by taxpayer subsidized ghetto troglodytes whom are increasingly molded into hostile, anti- white, anti- police subversives who do not invade enmasse provoking the gigantic self defense scenario, but rather continue to ruin neighborhoods as they have always done; through crime, neglect of property and community standards of all sorts, and polar bear hunting in your schools and your streets.
I expect the response will be things like sniping of the dindus dribbling bakkabaws down the middle of the street, firebombing of the dindus' houses in the dark hours just before dawn, and strict enforcement of code and noise ordinances.

A little dindu gets violent with White kids in skoo and suddenly its fambly is homeless because the Section Ape palace burned?  So sad.  Such a pity these things are on the rise.  Just how DO Homes Go Bad, like the Streets Went Bad where the dindus came from?  A mystery.

And the fambly whose heat was turned off for non-payment gassing themselves trying to stay warm with a charcoal grill indoors.  Really, these things just happen.  Seven times last month.  But who can do anything?

Blogger michaeloh59 May 06, 2017 1:39 AM  

#177
"Now that Darren Wilson can look back on that day in Ferguson in hindsight, he sees the wisdom in waiting for backup before trying to force compliance and arrest someone who outweighs him by over a hundred pounds."

Yea. It was all Wilson's fault. But BLM does stupid a little better than you. After a thug assaults a cop sitting in his car and tries to disarm said cop, one would hope said cop would not wait for backup and possible escape of thug. Of course the risk of that is thug might get killed. And your problem is what?

Anonymous Precious May 06, 2017 2:45 AM  

@michaeloh59

Yea. It was all Wilson's fault.

Straw man argument. Most morons could figure out I didn't even imply such a thing.

But BLM does stupid a little better than you.

They do it much much better than I do, but you have managed to exceed their stupidity.

After a thug assaults a cop sitting in his car

That was Wilson's first mistake, though not the most critical mistake he made. He should not have allowed the thug to get so close while in a sitting position and a window that open.

one would hope cop would not wait for backup and possible escape of thug

If Brown escapes he gets picked up later at his house, dead or alive, with Swat doing it. What else is Brown going to do? Rob another store? Kill a few of his black neighbors? I tell you what he won't do, start a riot in Ferguson while he is alive.

of course the risk of that is thug might get killed.

Wrong idiot. The risk was a riot with 25 businesses burned down.

And your problem is what?

I don't have a problem, Wilson has a problem...he is living in hidden exile with his wife and child. If he had to do it over again, I bet you a hundred bucks he would let Brown go and wait for backup and Swat.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 06, 2017 2:46 AM  

Methodist high court rules lesbian bishop violates church law announced Friday.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 06, 2017 2:55 AM  

Well, good on them. I have a soft spot for Methodism, and this is seriously good news. I only hope they can stand firm, even in the face of a probable schism.

Anonymous Pug May 06, 2017 3:56 AM  

OT: and now we are waiting for the Cinco de Milo post. Suing Simon and Schuster, starting Dangerous Books! Tour is back! Free speech week at UC Berkley! Breaking news! Milo is back!

Anonymous Lawyer Guy May 06, 2017 10:13 AM  

"Check out the Sheriff of Milwaukee and the Police Chief of Detroit - they say to own weapons to protect your homes and families."


Detroit Chief Craig tells people to get their concealed pistol permits and get their guns out when pumping gas at night--the gas stations are really bad, multiple jackings and shootouts every month. He made it SOP in several areas of the city that every traffic stop is a felony stop.

They even tried to jack the chief.

Anonymous kfg May 06, 2017 10:20 AM  

@Mountain Man: "Vermont is a very expensive state to live in. If you have limited funds and don’t have a plethora of self sufficiency skills to draw from - it will vomit you out."

I grew up there on a dirt road up a mountain and on a clear day I can ride up out of the valley to the top of the ridge and see it from where I am. I know the lay of the land, the people and have the skills. I am also well aware of the expense and the problems that resulted from the influx of people from NY and NJ.

It's still a damned sight better than NY.

Blogger michaeloh59 May 06, 2017 10:50 AM  

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Blogger michaeloh59 May 06, 2017 10:54 AM  

#185"#185 "I don't have a problem, Wilson has a problem...he is living in hidden exile with his wife and child. If he had to do it over again, I bet you a hundred bucks he would let Brown go and wait for backup and Swat. "

More likely, he would not have approached Brown at all. And your 'fix' of having SWAT, or two cops, or three cops confront and possibly kill Brown instead of one doesn't solve the problem of blacks rioting in protest of being held to civilized norms. That problem is only going to be solved when folks reassert the moral authority of civilized-even if white-norms. Stop blaming Wilson (whose actions even you find no fault with except tactically) and start blaming Brown (whose actions should result in condemnation by all not-morally idiotic people). Giving moral cover to thugs is Making America Congo Again.

Anonymous Sam the Man May 06, 2017 11:54 AM  

192:

not a cop but frankly I see nothing wrong with what Wilson did. The cops/custom guys I have known all have a sixth sense when someone is up to no good. Wilson detected that brown was in a belligerent mood, walking down the middle of the street, looking for trouble. A peace officer keeps the peace, by stopping and having a chat he was trying to make sure the potential conflict was eliminated, simply by having Brown walk on the sidewalk. Brown attacked unprovoked.

Blogger liberranter May 06, 2017 2:09 PM  

I note with interest when there's a chimpout somewhere. It's usually a big city and the worst of it is always where order was all but absent anyway.

There's no doubt at all in my mind that if the chimpout tries to move into a place where the residents EXPECT order, they'll either be stopped by the PD or mowed down like grass by the residents.


Exactly. Anyone paying attention will see that chimpouts only occur where the primates are either a majority or a significant minority. There are no chimpouts in Cheyenne, Salt Lake City, Vegas, Boise, or even Phoenix for a reason: there would be a boon hunt and barbecue so swift and grand that peace would reign supreme for years afterward. Even simians have enough cerebral cortex sense to know that there is no strength in anything but huge numbers.

Blogger JP May 07, 2017 3:52 PM  

@Sam The point of the Swiss gun laws is for national defense. Why would they want foreigners to have the same gun rights as the locals? That defeats the purpose entirely.

Anonymous Precious May 08, 2017 7:54 PM  

Wilson followed his training and did what he is legally allowed to do...escalate a confrontation using whatever violence is necessary to subdue a suspect. But at some point after Brown attacked Wilson, they were separated and Wilson had the option of a tactical withdrawal. If he had done that, he wouldn't be blamed even if Swat had killed Brown later.

Now because Wilson followed the law and rules of engagement, he wasn't charged and put on trial. But the state won't let him ever be a cop again. If they won't back their own police when the police do what they were trained to do, why should the police put themselves on the line if they don't have to?

They shouldn't, they should kick the decision up the chain of command and let someone else take the heat if it goes wrong.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 10, 2017 10:45 AM  

@TS
"I would be honored if my daughter married a police officer..."

"Yeah that would be a bad dad move Dan"

Yeah. Police do a very necessary job, but that job tends to involve "getting on top of" situations using the threat of violence to ensure compliance. This training (propensity?) does not necessarily translate well to domestic situations.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 10, 2017 10:52 AM  

@Jed Mask

"Timid cops shouldn't be on the front line of duty with serious situations if they can't end a situation without killing someone unnecessarily."

That's very sexist of you.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 10, 2017 11:58 AM  

@Tyrone J. McVeigh

"On the other you have liberal castles like NYC where Stop & Frisk runs rampant.

Double standard."

Anarcho-tyranny. And tribal privilege, of course.

"On a similar note https://tyronetrump.wordpress.com/2017/05/05/deconstructing-sodomo-zionist-semitic-ethnopsychology/"

Kinda serious for the Tyrone Trump style, but an excellent piece. Never seen it explicated in quite this detail before. The frog and the scorpion. This, in part, is why MacDonald was memory-holed far more than he was demonized-- it's almost impossible to read "The Culture of Critique" without getting a strong sense of this difference, of an alien mode of thought at work.

It is also, as you note, a lot of the underlying reason for the promotion of "anti-racism" and other Blank Slate memes. It also explains the presentation of "radical Islam" rather than non-White immigration as a threat (when it is acknowledged at all). Islam comes to White countries, not as some ethereal mind virus, but contained within brains that are part of brown bodies we deliberately import. Yet the Tribe is always compelled to construct a narrative in which ideology, not identity, is determinative. The narrative must always deny, or at least obscure, the simple, obvious truth that identity > ideology.

It's also, of course, why accusations of "hypocrisy" or "double standards" don't even seem to register. It's not a valid point their model of the world.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 10, 2017 12:05 PM  

@Student in Blue

"I looked into it after someone told me that Boston Antifa is actually satire, and apparently they're right."

So is Beverly Hills Antifa (of course).

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