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Wednesday, May 24, 2017

Portrait of a corrupt man

Dr. Pournelle puts us onto an employment history of former FBI Director James Comey. It is, to say the least, enlightening. And it is encouraging for those who are frustrated at the pace at which the God-Emperor is draining the swamp:
Comey was a minor assistant US attorney in the late 90’s.  He only gained power and money by being the DOJ official who “investigated” and cleared Bill Clinton of any wrong-doing in Clinton’s totally corrupt pardon (for huge payoffs) of criminal financier Marc Rich as Clinton was leaving the Presidency.  This is how Comey began his career as a creature of the “swamp” years ago, as a servant of the Clintons.

Comey provided “cover” for the Clintons in their gaining incredible power and wealth after leaving office through pardoning a billionaire money-launderer, arms dealer and criminal.  Comey was a key piece in how the Clintons upped their corruption game and gained incredible wealth through their foundation after leaving the White House.  A huge part of the scheme was giving Marc Rich a free pass when he should have spent life in prison, and that is what Comey covered-up for the Clintons.  This set up Comey to be part of the corruption machine, making him powerful and wealthy.

Immediately after doing the Clinton’s dirty work as a DOJ official, Comey resigned from the DOJ and took a position as the head attorney (Counsel) of the Lockheed Martin company, a huge military contractor.  While he was in that position Lockheed became a major contributor (millions) to the Clinton Foundation and its fake charity spin-offs.  In return for these payment to Clinton Inc., Lockheed received huge contracts with Hillary’s state department.  Comey was the chief legal officer of Lockheed throughout this period of contributions to Clinton Inc. in return for State Dept. contracts.

In late 2012, after overseeing Lockheed’s successful relationship with the Hillary State Department and the resulting profits, Comey stepped down from Lockheed and received a $6 million dollar payout for his services.

In 2013, the largest bank of England, HSBC Holdings, was deep into a scandal.  Investigations by federal authorities and law-enforcement had revealed that for years HSBC had been laundering billions of dollars for Mexican Drug Cartels, channeling money for Saudi banks who were financing terror, moving money for Iran in violation of the sanctions, and other major criminal activity.  HSBC’s criminality was pervasive and deliberate by the Bank and its officials.  HSBC was a huge Clinton Foundation contributor (many millions) throughout the “investigation” and Bill Clinton was being paid large personal fees for speaking at HSBC events (while Hillary was Sec of State).   Eric Holder and the Obama Justice Department did what they were paid to do, and let HSBC off of the hook for a paltry 1.2 Billion dollar fine (paid by its stockholders), and not one Director, officer or management member at HSBC was fired or charged with any criminal.  Exactly when everyone involved with HSBC Bank (including the Clintons and all of their “donors”) were being let off without penalty, and cover had to be provided to HSBC, Comey was appointed as a Director and Member of the Board of HSBC (in the middle of the fallout from the scandal).  He was part of the effort to cover up the scandal and make HSBC “respectable” again.

After about a year as HSBC director, despite his lack of any law enforcement experience, no DOJ leadership experience, and no qualifications for the job, Comey was appointed FBI director by Obama.  The only qualification Comey had was that the Clinton’s and their cronies knew Comey was in bed with them, was compromised and was willing to do their dirty work.  Comey was appointed to the FBI right when Hillary was leaving the State Department, and was vulnerable to the FBI because she had been using a private-server, mis-handling classified information, selling access to favors/contracts from the State Department to Clinton Foundation Donors (including Comey’s Lockheed Martin), and much more. Remember that this was about the time the Inspector General of the State Department found over 2 billion “missing” from the State Department finances during Hillary’s tenure.

The obvious conclusion is that Comey was appointed to the FBI (along with other reliable Clinton-Obama cronies)  to run interference for the Clinton’s and Obama’s at the nation’s federal law enforcement agency(in conjunction with a corrupt Department of Justice).  Comey was and is owned by the Clintons.  He owed all of his power and wealth to being part of their machine and providing them with cover.
Translation: the God-Emperor was in a weaker position than his supporters realized, because Comey was a Clinton-owned creature. Until he was safely removed - and it was clear that he was fired the way he was in order to take him by surprise and prevent him from destroying the evidence he'd been gathering and concealing - there was no way that the Trump administration could possibly make any headway against the Swamp.

And it is worth noting that the frantic RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA IMPEACH RUSSIA drumbeat has, with a few hysterical exceptions, observably begun to subside. This fits with the idea that it was Comey who was chiefly responsible for enabling it.

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191 Comments:

Blogger James May 24, 2017 8:16 AM  

I also remember the O'Rileys, Hannitys and Limbaughs that were promoting Comey as a "good guy" about the time he started looking into the dyke's e-mail problems. They were telling their followers that Comey could be trusted because he was a man of integrity and there was a good chance that the hildebeest would be taken down. The masses are lied to from the left and right and the liars become incredibly wealthy.

Anonymous Mark Auld May 24, 2017 8:18 AM  

May this be the lever that flips the top off this steaming pot of...

Anonymous Rocklea May 24, 2017 8:21 AM  

This really needs to lead to prosecutions rather than blackmail. Justice may the heavens fall.

Blogger Mark Cheek May 24, 2017 8:22 AM  

Damn!
Justice will be done; either in this life or the next.

Anonymous CloseHauled May 24, 2017 8:25 AM  

Comey played cover for HRC.

He kept Lynch's and Obama's hand clean by playing attorney general and deciding not to prosecute HRC after laying out her crime(s). I think this is what Lynch told Bill on the tarmac ... Comey's got this ... we are in the clear.

Blogger Bill Halsey May 24, 2017 8:26 AM  

Wow! Now I see.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales May 24, 2017 8:32 AM  

@6

And seeing is half the battle.

GI JOE!

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 24, 2017 8:36 AM  

After about a year as HSBC director, despite his lack of any law enforcement experience, no DOJ leadership experience, and no qualifications for the job, Comey was appointed FBI director by Obama.

I don't think Comey's work history supports this claim.

He started as a prosecutor in 1987 and was the deputy attorney general in 2005.

Anonymous Icicle May 24, 2017 8:38 AM  

O'Reilly's loofah-palooza incident and Limbaugh being pills-bury doughboy is small potatoes compared to this.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 24, 2017 8:43 AM  

We've experienced the greatest social mood mania in recorded history.

During such times, pervasive--reeking--rot, gangrene of nauseating stench is enabled to rise and spread. When people are collectively so fat, dumb and happy (exhibiting pathological levels of trust and openness) they simply do not see malfeasance and criminality even as it grows to threaten their very lives.

Recent revelations about Democrats in the House of Representatives using foreigners, an extended FAMILY of middle easterners(!! of all things!) for IT work, even doing so after ghost payrolling and questions about ESPIONAGE exploded, informs me that the rot has reached the Keystone Cops level of imbecility (h/t to Maxine Waters) along with the wax-museum level grotesque of Bill and Hillary Clinton's Graft, Inc.

Only a social mood mania of unheralded proportions could allow this level of open CRIME to fester into a pustule the size of a city.

I pray that the mania ends, and ends NOW! We desperately need to lance this boil, to perform emergency excision and debridement of this gangrenous wound to the political economy, and it won't happen until we're probably 80 or 90% of the way DOWN the total (initial) collapse.

I want to see Bill and Hill live to be dragged (literally DRAGGED) before a tribunal. If they survive long enough, I expect a Nuremberg-level of proceedings against them and those who joined their mafia-like criminal conspiracy.

But nothing, not one damn thing of significance, can occur until the mob's temporary, albeit long-lived BLINDNESS is finally stripped away, and that won't be the case until the the USS Pollyanna stops sailing the Bond Ocean and Wall Street.

Blogger Shimshon May 24, 2017 8:45 AM  

When will McCabe's number be up? Isn't he also a Clinton shill?

Blogger Johnny May 24, 2017 8:47 AM  

Maybe Comey's back and forth on Hillary's prosecution was an effort to signal to Trump that he would be the agent of the new corrupt potentate should Trump get elected. Otherwise keeping Comey on was a mistake. He should have been gone the first day.

I have been hoping that Trump could turn the table on the Washington establishment with a few well placed prosecution. Probably not the lead felons but some of the high ranking subordinates. After that it would be more prosecutions or implicit blackmail for cooperation. Could still happen, but at the moment Trump has to worry about keeping his head above the Swamp water more than draining the Swamp. That of course is what the foreign trip is. A president who loses too much popularity loses the ability to get things done.

Blogger great_o'rety May 24, 2017 8:47 AM  

The guy was also a diplomatic marvel: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32376463

Blogger Shimshon May 24, 2017 8:48 AM  

@8 "I don't think Comey's work history supports this claim."

I'm confused too. I read recently of Comey's "standing up" (in some meaningless way) to Bush 43 as Acting Attorney General. Nonetheless, his actions do suggest he truly is in the Clintons' pockets.

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 8:48 AM  

Perhaps I am being too dramatic before having coffee, but it would seem that the full details can't / won't come out as they would probably collapse much of the government. When you look at some of the key players implicated it hits all three branches of Gov deeply. If the full degree to which the government has been run as a banana republic was publically displayed I honestly believe you would trigger social instability.
To use the rusty bridge analogy from the other day. We all know the support structure is rotten to the core and completely unsound at this point. However, trying to remove or repair any one of the trusses causes the others to collapse. We are at a point where the best case scenario is that the coming impact can be buffered to some degree. It can’t be avoided.
The hope in trump is that he can reduce the coming impact velocity to something slightly more manageable. He can’t stop the impact, but he can allow the various American social structures to improve their local conditions. He can reduce the impacts of mass invasion forces by reducing / stopping the flood or diseases poor immigrants who are entirely antithetical the America.
Perhaps the best option is for there to suddenly be a fair number of “accidents” for the high level perps (heart attack for HRC, a few car accidents for others etc.) involved in the insipid corruption and lawlessness with a message to the lower levels, step back in line or else…. Causing serious social upheaval by shoving the poop into everyone’s face may be less constructive in the long run. In the “what about me” aspect, I say bring the chaos and shows trials followed by public hanging for all of them. But in the big picture view that may not be the best course.

Blogger TheMaleRei May 24, 2017 8:52 AM  

Man Alive, I had not heard a peep of this until now...
@1. You are right, I remember the bovine scat fed to us from the "conservative" pundits, and I downed it hook, line, and sinker...
Sickening, enraging...

Blogger dc.sunsets May 24, 2017 8:59 AM  

Jordan Peterson's (excruciatingly long) discussion with Joe Rogan mentions (often) the idea of "telling the truth," which is often painful because it requires each individual to confront how much of their persona, their self-image, is built on lies they incorporated (including lies they tell themselves.) Peterson calls this "buring off the dead wood" and suggests that for some people, it could be 95% of their self-image.

Peterson speaks of "telling the truth" as the only way to navigate and survive chaotic times (such as those we now experience.)

Our social mood mania is ultimately characterized by the embrace of a sea of lies so wide and deep that no maps for it exist. Our political economy is nothing but a vast network of interlinked lies, and we are all embedded in this matrix whether we like it or not because the masses of men are (always and naturally) enslaved to it by our very biological structures. Booms embed busts, but manias embed catastrophes.

Seen in this way, we simply cannot begin to imagine the hardship ahead when the mania ends and the "glue" sustaining people's ability to Live The Lie evaporates.

I strongly suspect that many of those who move from Lie-Matrix to epiphany will be literally unable to handle the psychological "burning away" of all that "dead wood." I think it will literally kill many people from the shock.

I begin to understand the foreshadowing metaphor represented by the popularity of the zombie genre.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore May 24, 2017 8:59 AM  

Just read the entire article. Yes, I get the whole "Take it with as little or as much salt as you deem appropriate" thing. After having read it, I think I just had a feeling identical to that of Richard Thornburg (the news reporter in Die Hard) when he saw the explosion at the Nakatomi building.

Anonymous Critically Bent May 24, 2017 8:59 AM  

@8
@14

Being a slimy LAWYER does not make you a good LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.

Blogger Nick S May 24, 2017 9:01 AM  

Wow. If verifiable, this is going to turn out to be a sure-nuff 55 gallon drum of whup-ass. "Everything is falling into place"

Blogger dc.sunsets May 24, 2017 9:08 AM  

@15 the full details can't / won't come out as they would probably collapse much of the government.

Forgive me, but this is like saying "markets can't possibly collapse 90% or more because it would destroy the economy."

This is the catastrophe to which I refer in @17 above. The mania allowed the rot in political government to rise to the level where it's nothing but a Jenga(tm) tower of lies and criminality.

This is very much like the old saw about "if you owe a bank a million dollars and you get into financial difficulty, YOU have a problem but if you owe the bank a hundred billion dollars and you get into financial difficulty, the BANK has the problem.

The USA as a (relatively) coherent political entity is the bank in the second case. There's already too much crime embedded for the state to continue. It's becoming incapable of functioning as anything BUT a criminal conduit (explaining why wages are stagnant for DECADES! while the 0.1% gets filthy rich) and public consent hangs on continuation of a social mood mania already multiple times the height and duration of any prior iteration.

What must fall WILL fall. It it had fallen earlier, the damage might have been fixable. That is no longer the case, probably not since at least 20 years ago.

There is no doubt in my mind that the USA today is analogous to the USSR in the 1970's or 1980's. Only the timing of its political and economic dissolution is a mystery.

Lies cannot pile higher forever. Truth is gravity.

Blogger Quilp May 24, 2017 9:09 AM  

I too remember the "conservative" pundits talking up Comey's reputation. But I will say (and I hate being put in the position of defending Limbaugh) that he chose his words carefully, always being careful to state clearly that "solid" reputation came from "other conservatives", Washington types, or used obvious sarcasm.

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 9:18 AM  

DC

A someone who is at least peripherally aware of the systemic dissonance I still have days struggling with playing the current day to day "game" versus "prep for the zombie hordes" mind sets

I cant even image the psychological shock the phase change will be for a large % of people.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 24, 2017 9:22 AM  

I'd bet that ever since the rise of the government-within-a-government of the CIA in the 1950's, graft was so enabled that it was just a question of time before the entirety of the USA's political economy was PLUNDERED by armies of individuals, feeding their own personal avarice unconstrained by the coherent morality of Christianity, each sought to maximize his or her wealth while collectively murdering the system on which their plunder depended.

The largest Tragedy of the Commons ever.

A few feral piggies on the island could get fat. But once an army of them landed, the rape of the island's capital structure of production was a foregone conclusion.

Comey is naught but one feral pig among millions, and the Debt-Supported orgy of the last 36 years witnessed the systematic rape and pillage of the very political, legal, economic, monetary and social systems that underpinned America's wealth in the first place.

These assholes metaphorically burned down the factory that produced our high living standards and peaceful communities in order to steal the change in the employee breakroom vending machines.

A French Revolution level of reprisal and slaughter seems likely in coming years.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey May 24, 2017 9:26 AM  

All of the goyim were jointly responsible for this unspeakable tragedy-- a very important diplomatic message for the world's sole superpower to promote. They must never forget.

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 9:27 AM  

DC

What must fall WILL fall. It it had fallen earlier, the damage might have been fixable. That is no longer the case, probably not since at least 20 years ago.

I agree, I'm suggesting more the mode of collapse. Collapse of the lies with most people in the dark about the why, they just see the external edifice fall apart into rubble without any real "why". Or throwing open the shades so they can see the profound corruption of the system as it comes down.

Put another way, do you tell the passengers the plane is going to crash event though there is nothing you can do about it or let them go about their activates until impact?

Blogger dc.sunsets May 24, 2017 9:30 AM  

@23 Grayman, from personal experience it is truly horrifying to confront in oneself the lies on which your own persona rests. It's like living daily with the pain of a fresh amputation.

This is why I believe we will see a massive rise in the pursuit of spiritual wealth. Only those who immerse themselves in a coherent, life-affirming meta-reality (like Christianity properly implemented) will physically survive the unavoidable excision of the personal lies that allow them to live in today's Matrix.

I, too, am trapped in a fugue state between living in Plan A (today, suppressing the primal scream generated by cog-dis) and scurrying about like a trapped mouse in a room full of cats.

Blogger ZhukovG May 24, 2017 9:30 AM  

This certainly brings into stark focus the enormity of the challenge facing our GE.

What is the saying?

'When you are up to your neck in alligators, it is hard to remember that the goal was to drain the swamp.'

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 9:36 AM  

DC

A French Revolution level of reprisal and slaughter seems likely in coming years.

Hence why one scenario is Bosnia x Rwanda! Your French scenario would also suggest a very real possibility of an American Vendee

Blogger dc.sunsets May 24, 2017 9:41 AM  

@26 Put another way, do you tell the passengers the plane is going to crash event though there is nothing you can do about it or let them go about their activates until impact?

For me, an inapt metaphor, because they won't listen to you until the impact occurs...because for all practical purposes, their collective realization (or loss of the network of rationalizations) IS the impact.

I liken it to a cliff dive. The level of the water doesn't change, only the height from which the dive commences. Decades ago that height had achieved an altitude such that hitting the ocean was already akin to hitting a concrete sidewalk.

My point: No one "sees" until they see, and no outside intervention (from you or nature or experience) changes that. In this case, visual ability is literally a state of mind far below the level of conscious thought. This is why Karl Denninger's rants get shriller by the month. He can't grasp that logic, reason and even mathematics simply don't change people's perceptions when their premises are dictated by pre-conscious herding behavior.

Nock got this right 81 years ago.

Vox Day, like all wise others, does not preach to the masses.
Isaiah, on the other hand, worked under no such disabilities. He preached to the masses only in the sense that he preached publicly. Anyone who liked might listen; anyone who liked might pass by. He knew that the Remnant would listen; and knowing also that nothing was to be expected of the masses under any circumstances, he made no specific appeal to them, did not accommodate his message to their measure in any way, and did not care two straws whether they heeded it or not.

Blogger Robert Divinity May 24, 2017 9:45 AM  

Mueller was Comey's alleged mentor and friend. Apparently the Special Counsel's main job will be to protect his pal and the police state apparatus they both directed. The Comey firing was a necessary, seminal moment.

Blogger SemiSpook37 May 24, 2017 9:47 AM  

I'm going to have to call BS on the punditry lauding of Comey from last summer. I think that entire press conference stunt he pulled was intended to sucker everyone into thinking he was somewhat competent in his efforts with the investigation. What he failed to understand, and what said pundits eventually realized, is that he stepped outside his authority and entered into a purely political situation and assumed that what he was doing was completely acceptable. It wasn't. Not even by a long shot.

Hence the reaction of the Dems when he spoke up again in late October. In both cases, he should not have said anything and kept himself out of the limelight. However, being heavily connected to the Clintons, he was only acting as he expected to based on their lead.

Anonymous Rocklea May 24, 2017 9:54 AM  

"A French Revolution level of reprisal and slaughter seems likely in coming years."

American steel for the guillotines.

"Peterson speaks of "telling the truth" as the only way to navigate and survive chaotic times (such as those we now experience.)"

Peterson covers a lot of ground in that interview, the truth is all consuming and you can tell he's pushing the limits of his abilities. At one point, Joe asks him how it's all gunna play out, IIRC is when he starts talking of chaos and Kek and the arrogance of "rational" people discounting religion and it's influence.

As I said earlier, Justice may the Heavens fall. The potbellied pedophiles have had their way with us for far too long.

Blogger Michael Neal May 24, 2017 9:56 AM  

fuck I feel like vomiting

Blogger praetorian May 24, 2017 9:58 AM  

I just come here for the dc sunsets posting.

Blogger VD May 24, 2017 9:58 AM  

Vox Day, like all wise others, does not preach to the masses.
Isaiah, on the other hand, worked under no such disabilities. He preached to the masses only in the sense that he preached publicly. Anyone who liked might listen; anyone who liked might pass by. He knew that the Remnant would listen; and knowing also that nothing was to be expected of the masses under any circumstances, he made no specific appeal to them, did not accommodate his message to their measure in any way, and did not care two straws whether they heeded it or not.


This is correct. There is no point. I see no need to dumb down, couch, or otherwise seek to popularize what I am saying. I only seek to understand and speak the truth, to the best of my ability. If the truth is unpopular, I will remain obscure. If more people seek it, my profile will grow.

I once tried to make my column more mass-appeal. That was a mistake and it failed.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 24, 2017 9:59 AM  

It's not called a "swamp" because it's a little damp. It's not called the "Deep State" because it's a surface problem and easily scraped away. It's not called the "establishment" because it was slapped together yesterday.

I too remember the "conservative" pundits talking up Comey's reputation.

It's like when you haven't had a date in years, and a smile from a check-out girl can make your day. So much losing makes them easily suckered.

Even when Comey supposedly reopened the email scandal a week before the election, that was a pro-Hillary move. Sure, it put the emails back in the news for a bit, but the Weiner stuff had already done that. But when he then "closed" it a couple days later (I know, he didn't really close it, but that's the way it was portrayed, and he knew it would be), the Narrative became, "Oh look, even when Trump's people on the inside try to help him, they can't come up with anything. She must be even more innocent than we thought." Since they couldn't have truly explored that quantity of data in that short a time, it was a setup from the start to take Weiner off the front pages through the election.

Blogger Felix Bellator May 24, 2017 9:59 AM  

@29 Grayman - "a very real possibility of an American Vendee"

Several of them.....

Anonymous Steve Canyon May 24, 2017 10:00 AM  

Don't know if Trump was the architect of this maneuver or if it was one of his staff (Mattis?). Whoever that person was, that was a very well executed operation from a tactical and strategic standpoint.

Anonymous Just another commenter May 24, 2017 10:10 AM  

A portrait of corruption. I'm sure the New York Times crack investigative journalism team will be all over this like like cheese on pizza......

Blogger Lazarus May 24, 2017 10:12 AM  

SemiSpook37 wrote:However, being heavily connected to the Clintons, he was only acting as he expected to based on their lead.

They should have told him they were using fake polls. Oh, the irony. Fake investigator faked out by fake polls.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl May 24, 2017 10:12 AM  

@29 Grayman

Regarding the Vendee: Long run, the Jacobin Terrorists were all executed and Napoleon (a traditionalist) came into power. And was far more popular than the Jacobins.

(Had the pesky British not continuously bankrolled wars against France, the world may be a little different today...but that's getting off topic...)

And then Napoleon cleaned house.

I think what the Left, the Swampies, SJWs, et al., don't seem to realize is that, yeah, the Terror and the Vendee War killed a lot of people. But when the *nation itself became mobilized, the Jacobins ended quickly.

And the latter were so hated, that before Robespierre was executed, they took the bandage off his shattered jaw (from being shot the day before). The people cheered when he screamed in pain, and rightfully so.

Anonymous fop May 24, 2017 10:16 AM  

the frantic RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA IMPEACH RUSSIA drumbeat has, with a few hysterical exceptions, observably begun to subside.

I had msnbc on in the background all day yesterday. They were autistic screeching RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA all freaking day. Occasionally they took a break to talk about 22 little girls who were blown to pieces, but then it was right back to RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA.

Anonymous BBGKB May 24, 2017 10:16 AM  

No coverage of Comey is complete without mentioning he was the one who put Martha Stewart in jail over an email from her boyfriend.

to Bush 43 as Acting Attorney General. Nonetheless, his actions do suggest he truly is in the Clintons' pockets

After both Hillary and Jeb were served as establishment choices do you still doubt the Pizzagate Uniparty? You knew about GWB's cocaine habit now we just need to know hot dogs or pizza.

I want to see Bill and Hill live to be dragged (literally DRAGGED) before a tribunal

You don't want to be on a plane with them and 50 women raped by Bill C.

Grayman, from personal experience it is truly horrifying to confront in oneself the lies on which your own persona rests.

I used to believe gays as a group paid more in taxes than they got in benefits. NYC & San Fran should replace their public libraries Drag Queen Story Time for kids and show them the Versace 2hr dateline special, "this is your face after drugs poisoned your liver"

Blogger Abdul May 24, 2017 10:21 AM  

Something tells me we're going to see a lot of televised trials in the future, a la Eichmann.

If you're going to be on television, you'd better buy a suit.

Anonymous Rfvujm May 24, 2017 10:24 AM  

All of this information about Comey has been public for quite some time, right? It wasn't as though it was top secret information that just became declassified.

For all the effort that the collective internet has put into debunking all the Hillary stories, I'm really surprised that all this information about Comey wasn't already known, at least in those circles. Or maybe it was known and I just missed it, but I think this would have been circulating over the past 9 months.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl May 24, 2017 10:30 AM  

@43 fop

Did you know that Trump and some of his supporters READ RUSSIAN NOVELS?

I think Trump mention RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA once or twice in the 1990s too, after RUSSSIA stopped being good guys in 1989.!>!

Blogger Nate May 24, 2017 10:30 AM  

i've never understood why people let the media get away with this whole "Comey is pristine!" narrative. It never actually occurred to me that folks didn't remember the clinton connection.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 24, 2017 10:31 AM  

DemonicProfessorEl wrote:@29 Grayman

Regarding the Vendee: Long run, the Jacobin Terrorists were all executed and Napoleon (a traditionalist) came into power. And was far more popular than the Jacobins.


The principle of alternation strongly suggests that the coming trend change will be characterized by the rise of the Right. The Left is a nihilistic movement of chaotic spasms of death and destruction. The Right is characterized by highly coherent programs of death and destruction (at least in my view.)

I'd rather the coherence of the Right. That doesn't mean I welcome death and destruction, only that if the Four Horsemen are due their time on stage, there be as little chaos to it as possible. Life is random enough all by itself.

Blogger Nate May 24, 2017 10:33 AM  

also... the comey clinton connection predates Bill's terms in office. He was helping them way back to arkansas.

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 10:36 AM  

@38 Felix @42. DemonicProfessorEl

In regards to the American vendee /s, its more of a personal warning. A vendee kicks off and a large number of people in a given region could be exterminated in a very short period of time. A very nasty "phase change". I doubt you could predict it but if you want o come out the other side we had all best be very aware of the possibility.
Playing the head in the sand card, "but I'm a noncombatant", "I'm a child", "I'm xxx" will not stop or slow your extermination in the least if you get caught in front of that wave!

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) May 24, 2017 10:38 AM  


I'm confused too. I read recently of Comey's "standing up" (in some meaningless way) to Bush 43 as Acting Attorney General. Nonetheless, his actions do suggest he truly is in the Clintons' pockets.


I wouldn't call stopping the NSA wiretapping program meaningless. He also wrote some good stuff on the risks of using torture.

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 10:41 AM  

After reading the responses to yesterdays very exciting threads. it would appear that a large # of people have little concept of the realities of war and that your personal "feelings" are meaningless in the conflict.
If Breviks action hurt so many feeling over "innocents" being harmed they need to do a deep dive on the history of war, they do not realize the hell on earth that real conflict brings and their cavalier attitude that it CANT happen only accelerates it.

Blogger Todd Everhart May 24, 2017 10:43 AM  

We may have saving grace in the newest generation. Zombie Boomers and their ilk cannot be saved nor change our current trajectory. But if we raise enlightened children, they can see the system for what is and act accordingly. Within a decade this will be possible and luckily we've been given 8 more years to prepare them.

Anonymous Rather, Not May 24, 2017 10:45 AM  

@ 51 Grayman

It is also worth noting that it was the good, Christian, agricultural, people of the Vendee that were slaughtered by the radical city folks.

Many rural folks take comfort in that their area (only very rarely they themselves) seem more self sufficient than cities ('Like Food? Thank a Farmer!' bumper stickers) without appreciating that the power of numbers.

If cut off from food, cities will not likely starve, they will conquer.

Blogger Ransom Smith May 24, 2017 10:49 AM  


If cut off from food, cities will not likely starve, they will conquer.


That would assume they have the means and motivation with which to conquer​

Cities aren't what they once were. The populations held within aren't soldiers as in history of time past.

Fighting mob style as antifa do is easy in close streets. But in the woods, hills and swamps? They'd be useless against hunters and other native residents.

Blogger Nick S May 24, 2017 10:50 AM  

I expect we'll have a good idea which way things are going to go within a couple weeks after the G7 meeting. My hope is this trip emboldens Trumps resolve and reinforces the confidence in his authority and ability to challenge and actually drain the swamp. I'm fairly certain the slithering swamp creatures have been taking home field advantage to creative new heights the last few months. I think getting out and getting a fresh perspective might be just what the doctor ordered.

Anonymous Rather, Not May 24, 2017 11:02 AM  

@ 57, not guaranteed cities win.

However, there seems to be a prevalent assumption that it will be unorganized urban rabble that the rural areas will face. And they will, but not exclusively. People forget that rural areas are culturally (relatively) individualistic and self sufficient people, and cities are full of people who are organizers, specializers and cooperators.

Historically, organizers are at least 9-1 against the self sufficient, and most of the real fights are between two different sets of organizers.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky May 24, 2017 11:07 AM  

Comey had lots of people snowed. I heard in backchannels from friends and associates who had worked with him that he was a stand-up guy, one of the few "good eggs" in Washington, and so forth. This was before July 5th, 2016 when he totally shattered that illusion. These same folks who were assuring me of his high character were stunned.

Nobody's in his corner now, not personally. The same guys who are feigning outrage over his firing today were calling for exactly that one month ago. He's got allies via political convenience alone, nobody trusts him anymore.

A reputation is a helluva thing to lose. You chose poorly, Comey, you pukeweasel.

Blogger Ransom Smith May 24, 2017 11:07 AM  

Historically, organizers are at least 9-1 against the self sufficient, and most of the real fights are between two different sets of organizers

It won't be gentle. And blood will be spilled. But as the past 250 years of war has taught, and efficient albeit disorganized army will always defeat a larger force if they adopt uniform combat.

The United States exists because of a handful of tree shooting backwoodsmen. Ignoring commonly accepted tactics.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 24, 2017 11:07 AM  

If cut off from food, cities will not likely starve, they will conquer.

It's probably good for them to think so.

Blogger VD May 24, 2017 11:13 AM  

I'm really surprised that all this information about Comey wasn't already known, at least in those circles.

It mostly was. Why do you think I never said anything good about Comey, except to note that he had a chance at redemption, which chance he spurned when he covered for Hilary again.

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Blogger dc.sunsets May 24, 2017 11:19 AM  

@61 The problem is that everything is a process...one process after another without end.

Early in the trip through the Valley, those who are rural and self-sufficient might be overrun. It might be that a particular farm, homestead, town or community might see two, three, four or more "residents," each displaced (probably killed) by a successor wave of chaos, until the waves emanating from the dying empire subside. I'm highly skeptical of the Mel Tappan theory of survival.

In one area of life after another, it's often not the first attempt to do something that succeeds. This may be true of what are ultimately successful means of weathering the next phase of the storm.

Throughout history we see those (businesses, polities, communities, individuals, etc.) who survived, but what is unseen are those who did the same thing as the survivors but who were one iteration too early. Often the latter outnumber the former by large amounts.

Blogger ZhukovG May 24, 2017 11:22 AM  

@ Ransom Smith: A romantic myth. Our revolutionary forces primarily used European tactics. We owe our victory to the tenacity of General Washington and the French Admiral DeGrasse. General Rochambeau and his 7000 French regulars helped a little as well.

Blogger tz May 24, 2017 11:26 AM  

@36, in this I only differ that some don't understand, so I might need different words to express the same truth.
The rest won't understand, but really they do understand but reject the Truth as the Pharisees rejected Jesus to the point of murder.

This is still the Flight 93 election, but the door is down, and the best fighter is attacking. Instead of questioning "why haven't you attacked the other hijacker", we should be helping.

This Comey article shows the 4D chess.

Trump was not a politician. Reagan was Governor first, and although he had to deal with politics, Trump wasn't at the center, inside. But he learns and corrects.

I was worried about Syria, but no further we're doing a 3rd quagmire. DACA can wait. I think Obamacare was a test of Ryan who failed.

And I don't have room to list the victories. Not tired of winning.

Anonymous A British Friend May 24, 2017 11:26 AM  

dc @17,

That whole comment of yours is a real eye-opener. I hope you don't mind me quoting it elsewhere.

Blogger bw May 24, 2017 11:27 AM  

CAF has done some homework

Blogger bw May 24, 2017 11:27 AM  

https://solari.com/blog/all-you-need-to-know-about-james-comey/

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 11:30 AM  

@65 Not entirely a myth even if romanticized. Francis Marion (The Swamp Fox) certainly played that role and had success with it. He wasn't the only one either.

Anonymous Jeff May 24, 2017 11:32 AM  

Joe Biden is apparently the least wealthy (i.e. least corrupt) politician in Washington.

Blogger tz May 24, 2017 11:37 AM  

Starving masses in gun free zones do not a conquering army make. Violence and theft (think Chicago gangs), yes, but the logistics are now heavily integrated and dependent on the grid.

A cyber attack could bring down Wal-Mart's too efficient supply chain. EBT? At least when they were "stamps" they worked off-line.

Our country is dependent on servers thousands of miles away and data links to connect them.

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 11:37 AM  

American Vendee's will certainly be different. if for no other reason then due to how heavily armed the general American population is. The meaning/impacts of the quantity of private arms and ammunition is grossly underestimated by many.
I would suggest that a Vendee could actually happen much faster but in a more concentrated area due to modern supply chains and the proliferation of modern arms throughout the population.
It could also go both ways, the rural striking at urban and urban striking at rural. A pre-emptive strike ( or retaliatory) at Manhattan by 20 to 50 determined individuals could make the island one giant death trap. A handful of well place incendiary devices and a little tainted food in the supply and you could have 1/2 to 3/4 of the Manhattan population dead 2 weeks or less.
Assuming the US military isnt involved in an organized manner I suspect the Vendee actions may be more like the rural striking the cities out of self preservation, to prevent a zombie horde overrunning them.

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 11:39 AM  

@71 WRONG,

He gets paid, just not in cash, in little girls.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 24, 2017 11:40 AM  

I wouldn't call stopping the NSA wiretapping program meaningless.

They didn't stop the domestic wiretapping program, they just made the NSA and FISA courts do some extra paperwork. Expanding FISA wiretaps and automated approval of warrants render the constitutional prohibition against warrantless searches meaningless.

And where were Comey's moral and legal objections when sick Obama was wiretapping TGE?

Blogger JWM in SD May 24, 2017 11:42 AM  

Charles Ortel discussed this very topic with Molyneux last weekend. This is what I've been referring to when I stated that Hitlery owes her political career to Comey...literally. Twice he interceded on her behalf and at least once in regards to a grand jury investigation of the CF back in the early to mid 2000's. Comey was the gatekeeper.

BURN THE WITCH....

Anonymous BBGKB May 24, 2017 11:43 AM  

If cut off from food, cities will not likely starve, they will conquer.

3rd worlders will not leave their territory until after consuming bad food/water. A single car accident can make most DieVerse Cities backed up for hours just think of what a few boxes of tacs can do.
Here is a cops breakdown https://survivalblog.com/letter-re-a-veteran-policemans/

I will admit even the best prepared for the Nigapocalypse has no chance of making as many black/browns take their last breath as Dr Kermit Gosnell did

Fighting mob style as antifa do is easy in close streets. But in the woods, hills and swamps?

That said putting up a sign that says "Book & Work Boot Store" won't protect you out in the sticks like it will in the city.

and cities are full of people who are organizers, specializers and cooperators.

A couple of bubbas with thermite take out some power poles and the organizers will be getting specialized cooperation from Shitavious. You also assume people will hand over their preps without poisoning them first. Also shitlibs are lazy so preppers can plan for "lines of drift"

Blogger Cail Corishev May 24, 2017 11:46 AM  

cities are full of people who are organizers, specializers and cooperators.

They have the very best hairdressers and telephone sanitizers. Everyone says so.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 24, 2017 11:50 AM  

If you turned over the entire modern agribusiness sector to average city dwellers without a fight, and kept the lights on and supply chains intact to help them out, they would starve before they figured out how to make it work.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 May 24, 2017 11:52 AM  

Jeff wrote:Joe Biden is apparently the least wealthy (i.e. least corrupt) politician in Washington.

Corruption doesn't always involve money.

And it's not always about how much money they have, but where their money is coming from. I could be a politician accepting kickbacks from corporate lobbyists but keep those kickbacks low and still be corrupt.

Next time you want to shill for a guy whose constituents were, until his VP position, a bunch Mennonite gamblers, try it somewhere else.

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 11:54 AM  

@79

Example: See nation formerly known as "Rhodesia"

Also not that is South Africa's future since they are well on their way to removing all whites who just happen to be the ones who runs the farms that feed the nation.

Blogger Stilicho May 24, 2017 11:54 AM  

@ josh, still no LE experience, limited DOJ leadership experience and his redemption is saying "illegal wiretapping is illegal when done at the behest of a Republican administration, but not when a Democrat administration (or me as FBI director) is involved". Not to mention all the Clinton coverups and payoffs. But hey, aside from all the roads, public sanitation, etc. What have the Romans ever done for us?

Anonymous Athor Pel May 24, 2017 11:56 AM  

"55. Anonymous Rather, Not May 24, 2017 10:45 AM
...
If cut off from food, cities will not likely starve, they will conquer.
"



And then what? Will city dwellers become farmers? Will the farmers become slaves to the city dwellers? Will the city dwellers even be able to find a real farmer? How will the city dwellers know what is edible and what is not if they've never tried to forage for themselves before or grow a garden?

Many in the cities don't even know where their food comes from. Show them a yam freshly dug from the ground and they will think it a rock. Even less likely they would know what the above ground portion looks like to even find the yam in the first place.

If food delivery stops suddenly there is at most two weeks of food in a typical American city. That city would then have two weeks from that point to find more food before they become too weak to work. If the majority of that city's food sources are beyond a few days march or more than a tank of gas away then that food may as well not exist. That city is going to starve. They will begin to eat each other and you know it.

Of course this also assumes the single hypothetical city is able to put a plan of conquest into motion within that four week time window. It also assumes they don't run into any competition from other nearby cities.

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 11:57 AM  

One more reason The Great Crusade is about to kick-off....

17-year-old girl from Denmark has been charged with crime for fighting-off an attacker attempting to rape her as he ripped her clothing
https://youtu.be/taSdGj44lE8

Anonymous Drummergirl May 24, 2017 11:57 AM  

"Vox Day, like all wise others, does not preach to the masses.
Isaiah, on the other hand, worked under no such disabilities. He preached to the masses only in the sense that he preached publicly. Anyone who liked might listen; anyone who liked might pass by. He knew that the Remnant would listen; and knowing also that nothing was to be expected of the masses under any circumstances, he made no specific appeal to them, did not accommodate his message to their measure in any way, and did not care two straws whether they heeded it or not."

Why I keep coming back to this blog - thanks Vox. Some of the truths brought to light here can be difficult to realize, but I figure, if we're not even strong enough to face the truth, how will we ever be strong enough to face the coming onslaught?

Blogger Johnny May 24, 2017 12:01 PM  

ZhukovG wrote:@ Ransom Smith: A romantic myth. Our revolutionary forces primarily used European tactics. We owe our victory to the tenacity of General Washington and the French Admiral DeGrasse. General Rochambeau and his 7000 French regulars helped a little as well.

Honorary credit should be given to General William Howe also. His not very aggressive tactics gave General Washington's army two years of life. He won battles but consistently failed to close the matter with an aggressive pursuit of the fallen enemy. And despite extensive resources he made no effort to trap Washington on Long Island or on Manhattan Island. And for some reason failed to send aid to General Burgoyne. And then along came the French.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 24, 2017 12:01 PM  

@84 He was merely trying to rape her, not kill her. Moderate muslim!

Blogger JWM in SD May 24, 2017 12:05 PM  

"For all the effort that the collective internet has put into debunking all the Hillary stories, I'm really surprised that all this information about Comey wasn't already known, at least in those circles. Or maybe it was known and I just missed it, but I think this would have been circulating over the past 9 months."

It's been out but requires some digging. Look up "Comey the Cleaner" on youtube. It's in two parts but it explains how Hitlery owes here career to Comey.

Blogger Johnny May 24, 2017 12:10 PM  

Something to take into consideration is that owing to us being a mature industrial society, we are more interdependent than any society in history that has fallen into anarchy. Consider farming:

Currently about 2% of the population, along with some hired help, feed all the rest of us. In a situation of social turmoil, how would one keep, say, a 2,000 dairy herd going when the farm is dependent on a whole range of supplies being available on an ongoing basis. That would be electricity, fuel, machine parts, and a local labor force of a few people who show up in a reliable way.

The answer is that lacking a stable society the whole thing would stop functioning. Even massive inputs of labor would not fix it because it is not setup for manual labor. Once things shut down the cattle would have to be let out into the wild or they would be dying.

So, pillage the place? Doing that to the general benefit of the population would take a level of organization that would not be in place. Plus it would terminate the operation as a food producing enterprise. And as it is with dairy, so it is with all other food production. The shear scale of it plus the fact that it is machine driven with a need for numerous outside inputs mandates a stable society for farming to continue to operate.

They estimate that an EMF attack, shutting down the electronic equipment, would cause about 90% of the current US population to die. I estimate that a true period of chaos would do about the same.

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 12:11 PM  

@83 Athor,

4 weeks is ONLY if the military enforces and protects the existing supply chain of food stocks. If they are not then the cities have 1 week.
Stores have about 24hrs of stock on hand for most items. first line distribution has about 1 weeks worth of goods and second line 1+ months (doesn't count for perishables). Without military enforcement those 1st line warehouses will be locked down or raided by those who know where they are and the actual value they represent.
As such many urban areas have 24 to 72hrs of food available if they lose first distribution. More than 3 days without ready access to food and any urban area will be completely feral with rapidly escalalting death rates.
The only way to reign any such urban area in is a full military lock down while supply chains and order are restored. A few well placed bullets by gangs or provocateurs and you have military vs urban ferals and it looks like Mogadishu.
If nothing else it will be fascinating to see how it unfold.

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 12:12 PM  

If you want to be really proactive..... do some research on where the regional food distribution warehouses are in your area for both cold chain and non-perishable. Then consider a plan for the scenarios you think most likely....

Blogger bosscauser May 24, 2017 12:13 PM  

James. Bush gang lied about ​Comey to us.
The Clinton Bush ties are deep!

By the way, Comey was on White Water investigation first..

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

Blogger Deadmau5 Patton May 24, 2017 12:20 PM  

@89 Johnny

That's why I think many 3rd world countries have an advantage in terms of longevity and stability. Sure, they live in filth, but consider how India simultaneously exists in about 10 different centuries.

There are strong local economies, manufacturing and transportation systems that are totally detached in many ways from the current system. Things we'd have displayed in a museum they're still producing and using.

There is a robustness and resilience to a system that can fall back far more quickly onto old technologies when the fragility of newer ones is exploited negatively.

Blogger frigger611 May 24, 2017 12:21 PM  

As I age, it becomes clearer to me that the devil indeed never sleeps and has played quite a hand in working toward our demise. Similar to how he introduced the vermin Bolsheviks into Russia, which outlawed faith and Christ and brought down that centuries old Empire.

So many 60s radicals in America who bombed and murdered, then got high paying tenured jobs as university professors, then on to government positions in the top tier or in the Deep State. (While if one was even just a smidgeon on the right, or a traditionalist, a half-point break on a mortgage might have sent you off to prison in disgrace).

I don't know how much more disgust with the status quo is manageable. In 50 short years the good people of middle America have been robbed of trillions in fortune and happiness, countless lives wasted.

Because our "elites" are always so sure they have figured out the right way (this time) to improve and to perfect Man.





Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright May 24, 2017 12:23 PM  

Very interesting. Thanks for posting. Sometimes, you have the only news worth reading.

I notice the RUSSIA thing is still going, though...yesterday I was in a store that was playing CNN and the former CIA director was testifying that he "had always been worried about Trump and Russia."

I am trying to imagine being in President Trump's shoes. You want to do a good job. You're accused of talking to Russia. You know you didn't do it. Russia knows you didn't do it. But it keeps getting in the way of getting work done.

It would be utterly frustrating. I think the president is holding up pretty well, under the circumstance.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett May 24, 2017 12:24 PM  

When people ask why I voted for Trump, I've started, the last few weeks, telling them it's because Pol Pot wasn't on the ballot.

Anonymous Crew May 24, 2017 12:44 PM  

If cut off from food, cities will not likely starve, they will conquer.

Did they let you out of school early today?

They will choke all the exits with abandoned cars within a day or so. Also, while those who live in cities can cooperate in corruption they are not so good at other forms of cooperative action.

The death toll will be large in the cities and maybe cannibalism will resurface.

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 12:48 PM  

DC and crew...

Think people will go zombie horde if a major disruption hits? Now consider how that gets magnified by the sudden lack of antidepressants!!!

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db76.htm

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl May 24, 2017 12:53 PM  

@90 Grayman

The really fascinating part, in the US anyway, is the auxiliary food distribution. If the Dirt People cut off food to American urban areas, it's likely a lot of food will be cut off to the rest of the world.

Africa and the ME will be a bunch of Mogadishus, unless China and Russia give them food (unlikely).

As for the Vendee and Rules of War re:Breivik - agreed. If I had to make a guess, the American Vendee would start in one of the Big Four Lefties - New York, California, Illinois, or Minnesota. But awareness of the act does help prepare overall.

And we can see that Breivik's actions were *bad, but he's declared war and retaliated to acts of war that he saw. I don't *like war, but agree with you that right or wrong, his actions make sense in the context of combat.

To him, to borrow from the Romans, "the ram has touched the wall."

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl May 24, 2017 12:58 PM  

@40 dc

Here, here. I think it was Henry Dampier who said that the Left's only aesthetic is destruction. Agree with him overall or not, that is a truth he found.

The Left's only philosophy is chaos and destruction. Their core value is Nihilism (and why I've been dusting off the ol' Nietzche and Spengler lately) and has only one real end - everyone loses.

I mean, who would have thought that "Atlas Shrugged" was really their end goal? I mean, come on!

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl May 24, 2017 1:00 PM  

@89 Johnny

The USA coughs, the rest of the world gets sick. If something happens to the US food supply, Americans in the Heartland would be okay overall. Africa, the ME, South America? Not so much. It would be a demographic catastrophe not seen since the 14th century. For better or worse ;)

Blogger Cail Corishev May 24, 2017 1:01 PM  

They will choke all the exits with abandoned cars within a day or so.

Pretty much The Stand, with less puking.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl May 24, 2017 1:02 PM  

@98

Hilarity ensues? Well, there'd be a lot of those "stupid car crash" and the like videos around. One of the best ones I saw was from Brazil where 20 hoodlums could steal an ATM, but couldn't open it.

Blogger Cetera May 24, 2017 1:03 PM  

At the risk of exposing arrogance and hubris, I'm going to quote myself from a few weeks ago:

Trump isn't A/B testing. He's rope-a-doping. He's alone, fighting the behemoth. He's dancing around faster than anyone in D.C. can understand, let alone hope to catch or pin down. Trump is building his infrastructure, and preparing the battlefield, while at the same time staying out of reach of any powerful blows to him.

...

This isn't a small problem to be solved. It is a battle for the survival of the U.S. and the Constitution. If you don't really think that Trump knows or understands what is going on, go back and listen to his speech in Palm Beach, talking about the last window of opportunity to save the country. Go ahead, I'll wait.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ_eV2TRlOg

...

I submit to you that Trump has been working on this plan for a minimum of four years, and really probably much closer to 10. If you don't understand what he's doing, it's probably because you aren't on the inside, and don't have all the info. By this time next year, things are going to look a lot different.

Anonymous FP May 24, 2017 1:08 PM  

@55

"If cut off from food, cities will not likely starve, they will conquer."

You're assuming they aren't at each other's throats first in between starving as other commenters mentioned. In some cities/states you scenario is more likely than in others. Baltimore, Chicago, Atlanta, Memphis, SF and Oakland, LA? They'll eat each other alive.

It also wouldn't take that much hardware wise to siege modern cities as long as you have the will to do what is needed.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl May 24, 2017 1:13 PM  

@105 FP

The "cities will conquer" guy forgets that city compositions are much, much different now than they were in the 18th and even 19th centuries.

And it was French soldiers, not partisans, that did in the Vendee.

You're right though - those populations riot when a rapist gets shot by the police. Does he really think think the Eloi and Morlocks will band together (with few guns) and go after the places where there's lots of guns?

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 1:13 PM  

@105

It also wouldn't take that much hardware wise to siege modern cities as long as you have the will to do what is needed.

There is a small subset of people that will absolutely revel in this opportunity, whether as payback or simply out of lust for combat.

Blogger Chiva May 24, 2017 1:15 PM  

In a large modern city once the water pressure goes to zero then all bets are off.

Anonymous crew May 24, 2017 1:24 PM  

@89:

They estimate that an EMF attack, shutting down the electronic equipment, would cause about 90% of the current US population to die. I estimate that a true period of chaos would do about the same.

Correct. You start getting cascading failures so all of a sudden, everything stops working. Then the diverse ferals start doing their really feral stuff and it's pretty hard to come back from that and it takes a long while.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl May 24, 2017 1:29 PM  

@109 90% of certain demographics, for sure. One thing about the ferals is while we shouldn't underestimate their cunning sometimes, they're still feral.

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 1:34 PM  

@110 demonic

Its an interesting catch-22. The feral do the heavy lifting of eliminating 70% - 90% of their own population in short order. Unfortunately those who remain are very significant threats and should probably be considered lethal threats on sight.

So no, we dont have to remove 20 million invaders. They will "remove" 2/3+ of their own numbers. The new nations will then have to deal with the remainder

Blogger JWM in SD May 24, 2017 1:35 PM  

How did this thread get hijacked to a WROL discussion???

Blogger Johnny May 24, 2017 1:37 PM  

When the commies in the USSR screwed things up they did, effectively, pillage the countryside. And it worked for a while. But in the USSR the rural people were the majority and production was often primitive. The locals could go self sufficient if they had to, thus there was somebody from which one could requisition food by forceful methods.

The thing to keep in mind is that our rural population is tiny and production is industrial, not cottage industry. Us rural folk, of which I am one, are almost as dependent as the urban types. Nobody has a root cellar any more and how would a few hundred tons of wheat be turned into flower and the flour shipped to bakers and the bakers sell or allocate the bread to the consumer if the system quits functioning.

Rushing out to the countryside would gain nothing at all. What, a hundred different people try to get what they can from two or three farmers who themselves depend on the market to be kept fed, depend on fuel that comes by truck, and only have a big inventory for what--- feed for the pigs? --- and that will run out in a couple of weeks, if indeed the mechanical system for feeding the pigs can be bypassed.

Meanwhile there are no new crops being put in in the spring unless there is a working financial system and enough stability to implement.

As for the foreigners, Africa is a lost cause, really, overpopulated by foreign aid that has to keep coming in in greater quantity owing to expanding population. Bet ya the more wealthy Middle East countries can buy stuff one way or another. And at least some of the Latin Countries, I think, would be okay.

Blogger ZhukovG May 24, 2017 1:38 PM  

If something happens to interdict the food supply chain in the United States, a lot more than just city folk are going to starve.

The suburbs will starve and most of the rural areas will be hard hit too. All those starving people, many just as heavily armed and just as well trained as you will come calling.

It won't be just food that goes. There will be no medical care or medicine, no 911 operator, no gasoline, no volunteer fire department.

Even the best prepared in rural areas face long odds.

...and winter is always coming.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl May 24, 2017 1:38 PM  

@111 Grayman

Very true. I guess that's where the Breivik Happy Action Weekend Adventurs come in? Hypotheticall speaking, of course ;)

Anonymous Jeff May 24, 2017 1:39 PM  

@74 Grayman - Biden gets paid, just not in cash, in little girls

Very good point by you.

Anonymous Avalanche May 24, 2017 1:52 PM  

@16 "accidents” for the high level perps (heart attack for HRC, a few car accidents for others etc.) involved in the insipid corruption and lawlessness with a message to the lower levels, step back in line or else"

You mean, we / Trump/ America has to BECOME Clintons to 'get' Clintons?! We should get AS corrupt and murderous -- clandestinely, of course -- as they have been? So, um, DO massive evil to STOP massive evil?!

No thanks.

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 1:52 PM  

@114

The suburbs will starve and most of the rural areas will be hard hit too. All those starving people, many just as heavily armed and just as well trained as you will come calling.

It won't be just food that goes. There will be no medical care or medicine, no 911 operator, no gasoline, no volunteer fire department.

Even the best prepared in rural areas face long odds.


That is why one of the top priorities should be the building of local community connections, not just your personal connections but the interconnections within the overall community.
A connected community has a chance to overcome the challenges you point out. The lone prepper with a few like minds is probably toast. The prepper as part of a tight community has a chance.

Blogger tublecane May 24, 2017 1:52 PM  

@52-I think the above poster meant meaningless in an ultimate sense, as we haven't exactly escaped the threat of warrantless snooping by the NSA, have we?

Anonymous Belisarius May 24, 2017 1:56 PM  

Good grief, please educate yourself.

1. "Minor assistant US attorney"? The guy was the US Attorney for the SDNY, the most high profile US Attorney in the country. Who appointed him? BUSH!

2. Is there no one who remembers that Comey was Deputy Attorney General under Bush as well, and then acting Attorney General when Ashcroft had medical issues? He's been a Republican all his life. Or that he spoke out against the legality of the NSA wiretapping when Gonzalez tried to get it approved by bullying Ashcroft on his hospital bed?

Blogger tublecane May 24, 2017 1:58 PM  

@65-"We owe our victory to the tenacity of General Washington and the French Admiral DeGrasse"

Don't forget Benedict Arnold, who probably saved the revolution twice.

About European tactics, people are confused by the fact that we didn't win many large, set-piece battles. The Cowpens was unique. But actually, you don't need to win battles to win a war.

Anonymous Avalanche May 24, 2017 2:01 PM  

@22 "I too remember the "conservative" pundits talking up Comey's reputation. But I will say (and I hate being put in the position of defending Limbaugh) that he chose his words carefully, always being careful to state clearly that "solid" reputation came from "other conservatives", Washington types, or used obvious sarcasm. "

You CHOSE to put yourself in the position of defending that slimebucket -- and then write: "well, he LIED very VERY carefully, he prevaricated and allowed the horrendous criminals to go further and get worse." Oh now THERE is a recommendation!!

There IS no "defense" of ... well, I didn't say they WEREN'T criminals... I just carefully talked around their crimes (OH! Or are you recommending Rush for Comey's old job; since he, too, 'chose his words carefully"!?

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 24, 2017 2:05 PM  

"He's been a Republican all his life."

That's irrelevant in light of the flow of money and political influence that Dr. Pournelle has rehashed for us. Besides, the Bushes and Clintons are good friends. There is no noteworthy difference between them.

Blogger tublecane May 24, 2017 2:06 PM  

@86-That's what makes conspiracy theories about how the Whigs secretly let America secede plausible.

Blogger Gospace May 24, 2017 2:07 PM  

Rather, Not May 24, 2017 11:02 AM
@ 57, not guaranteed cities win.

However, there seems to be a prevalent assumption that it will be unorganized urban rabble that the rural areas will face. And they will, but not exclusively. People forget that rural areas are culturally (relatively) individualistic and self sufficient people, and cities are full of people who are organizers, specializers and cooperators.

Historically, organizers are at least 9-1 against the self sufficient, and most of the real fights are between two different sets of organizers.


It's rural areas that have volunteer fire departments, people self organized to help the community. It's rural areas that have volunteer EMT's and ambulance services. It's rural areas that still have functioning lodges of all kinds, with volunteers. All organization in cities is done by paid professionals. And with that, it's had to keep any "community groups" functioning.

Blogger Jonathan Bennett May 24, 2017 2:08 PM  

There are certainly some odd things afoot. The best case scenario is that Trump's people are building cases against some of the worst offenders, and waiting to spring the trap. The firing of Comey makes sense seen through that filter. I would *love* to see a bunch of the D.C. criminals hauled off to jail.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 24, 2017 2:14 PM  

Belisarius wrote:2. Is there no one who remembers that Comey was Deputy Attorney General under Bush as well, and then acting Attorney General when Ashcroft had medical issues? He's been a Republican all his life. Or that he spoke out against the legality of the NSA wiretapping when Gonzalez tried to get it approved by bullying Ashcroft on his hospital bed?
As if that were a statement of his virtue? The guy is a manipulator and he's dirty from way back.

Blogger ZhukovG May 24, 2017 2:16 PM  

@Gospace: I know a lot of those folks, almost all those rural volunteers shop for groceries at the same Walmart. Good luck with that.

I don't know how this thread got so far afield, but I do hope that our GE has cleared the decks enough to start cleaning house. It would be preferable, if our country does come apart, if it does so peacefully. Fools hope I know.

Blogger JWM in SD May 24, 2017 2:17 PM  

"There are certainly some odd things afoot. The best case scenario is that Trump's people are building cases against some of the worst offenders, and waiting to spring the trap. The firing of Comey makes sense seen through that filter. I would *love* to see a bunch of the D.C. criminals hauled off to jail."

Yes, it certainly does make sense and was the first thought I had after hearing the news. The fact that the MSM is still howling madly about it even two weeks later is testament to that. Comey was also holding out on investigating both the Rich and Awan Bros. matters. Those two stories are going to prime the pump on the swamp soon. With or w/out Hannity.

Blogger tublecane May 24, 2017 2:19 PM  

Guys, Washington outsider Paul Ryan said Trump is wrong: Comey isn't a "nut job!" So maybe we should rethink this whole thread.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 24, 2017 2:25 PM  

tublecane wrote:Washington outsider Paul Ryan said Trump is wrong: Comey isn't a "nut job!"
Since "nutjob" in DCspeak means "person who actually believes in something and acts from conviction", or, alternatively, "person who is not owned", I think we can all agree that Comey is not in that category.

Anonymous Avalanche May 24, 2017 2:29 PM  

@89 "Once things shut down the cattle would have to be let out into the wild or they would be dying."

Not a farm boy, eh? Milk cows CANNOT be "let out into the wild" because if they are not milked regularly (at least once a day), they get 'over-full' udders and get sick and die. They have been bred/created to BE milk-production machines, and without the milking, they malfunction. (The poor beasts!)

MEAT cows, not so much a problem: they don't need electricity and such. You might need to let them out of the pastures you kept them in were grazed too far, but they'd be okay, except for the bears and wolves.

Blogger Johnny May 24, 2017 2:32 PM  

tublecane wrote:Guys, Washington outsider Paul Ryan said Trump is wrong: Comey isn't a "nut job!" So maybe we should rethink this whole thread.

"nut job",

Trump speaks figuratively all the time, as do many people. If you really want to know where he is coming from, you can not read his statements like they are a lawyer building a case in a courtroom.

Anonymous Avalanche May 24, 2017 2:33 PM  

@90 "those 1st line warehouses will be locked down or raided by those"

Do any of y'all ever walk through Costco, ticking off on your mental list which racks you'd clear at gunpoint into your stolen rental truck? Some stuff is pure staples, some is wasted space in the truck. Some supplies are needed, some are just nice to have....

Or am I the crazy one?

Anonymous Rather, Not May 24, 2017 2:37 PM  

For the off topic: I apologize for pulling on the Vendee thread. For those that seem determined to twist what I said, I don't mean cities automatically win. But history says they do most of the time. It takes something more than 'we have food!' to win. Many people seem to think food is some sort of miracle wunderwaffe that ensures victory. It is not.

Not only that, but I think most who assume it is are largely using it as a psychological defense mechanism, because (to tie the Vendee to Breivik) they know they are not willing to be as brutal as necessary to win a total war. People who think food will win for them do so because they aren't willing to bayonet the enemies babies, and know the enemy is willing to bayonet your baby. You don't want to face that means losing, so you go back to 'food means we win!' except it doesn't.

In the Vendee parallel, the equivalent of our side got damn close to genocided out of existence by city folk who rather notoriously tossed babies from bayonet to bayonet.

The cities may not successfully conquer, but they will damn sure try hard, and with huge numbers of people, and more organized and effectively than most give them credit for. The odds are against us, and if we pretend they aren't (because food!) we won't do the hard work of organizing and preparing to change the odds more to our favor.

I'm done for today. Back to Comey's corruption.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl May 24, 2017 2:41 PM  

For St. Comey - say what? He wasn't ordained by John the Baptist himself to lead the pure and integral FBI to the glories of Justice?

Without knowing his history, the fact that he publically opined on ongoing cases while exonerating known criminals is enough to know who he is. He didn't mind the destruction of evidence, obstruction of justice, or perjury from certain political figures. It's good though that more of his personal history comes to light.

@125 Gospace

You're right regarding those "cities organize!" thing. We have to keep in mind that most of the blue collar/working class people who form things like fire departments, police departments, etc., are largely on *our side. You think "Glen Lawson," industrial worker who voted for Trump, is going to suddenly side with a Monday (as they say) or some limp-wrist hipster? Unlikely. He and his family are more likely to flee the cities to join *us.

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 2:41 PM  

@134

Do any of y'all ever walk through Costco, ticking off on your mental list which racks you'd clear at gunpoint into your stolen rental truck?

Of course not!!! I walk down the isle estimating how many seconds each 2 man team has in each critical isle if you allow 10 minutes from breach to roll out and have at least three teams inside and a three man security team outside.


Anonymous Avalanche May 24, 2017 2:48 PM  

#137 Great planning, thanks for the tips! {wink}

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 2:48 PM  

I started the whole OT thing. I'll layoff, thanks for letting my sperg a bit VD :)

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 24, 2017 2:53 PM  

@130
Guys, Washington outsider Paul Ryan said Trump is wrong: Comey isn't a "nut job!" So maybe we should rethink this whole thread.

Well, that's good enough for me. Because if we can't trust a Washington outsider like Paul Ryan, who can we trust?

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 24, 2017 2:57 PM  

@135
For the off topic: I apologize for pulling on the Vendee thread.

You should, it's not a good example. The Vendee was a region in revolt against the revolution. Not at all the same as civil disorder.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer May 24, 2017 3:11 PM  

Grayman wrote:@134

Do any of y'all ever walk through Costco, ticking off on your mental list which racks you'd clear at gunpoint into your stolen rental truck?

Of course not!!! I walk down the isle estimating how many seconds each 2 man team has in each critical isle if you allow 10 minutes from breach to roll out and have at least three teams inside and a three man security team outside.




You guys are high risk/ low pay off types? The local Walgreens/ CVS and gas stations are smaller easier to control spaces that are less likely to attract huge numbers of people early on. Hit those places first because the perscription meds and gasoline/diesel are going to be worth more than all those 50 lb bags of rice you plan on pilfering.

Blogger Johnny May 24, 2017 3:14 PM  

Avalanche wrote:@89 "Once things shut down the cattle would have to be let out into the wild or they would be dying."

Not a farm boy, eh? Milk cows CANNOT be "let out into the wild" because if they are not milked regularly (at least once a day), they get 'over-full' udders and get sick and die. They have been bred/created to BE milk-production machines, and without the milking, they malfunction. (The poor beasts!)

MEAT cows, not so much a problem: they don't need electricity and such. You might need to let them out of the pastures you kept them in were grazed too far, but they'd be okay, except for the bears and wolves.


To continue way off topic,

Usually around 10% of the herd will not be lactating. And another 20% or so nearing the end of their cycle. That group, most of them, will get through non milking without damage, although a complete stopage would not be a good way of "drying" them up. The most common problem would be mastitis issues with the next lactation. The ones nearer the start of their lactation are apt to have serious issues, bag infection mainly, but I am unaware of any cow that has ever died from not being milked.

Where I live pasture is so unusual that there are no fences. Dairy cattle if left out will sort of stay around if you work at keeping them around. And I am guessing that if you can establish a feeding and watering station, most likely you could keep them with a little help. As for example, lacking electricity you can't feed them in the barn, but you can still fill a self unloading wagon. So you turn them loose and feed by running feed out onto the ground with your tractor towed wagon. Water can usually be done with a yea old cow water tank, if you can find a way to get water into it. I have a neighbor who had ideas about sucking water out of a river and into a bulk sprayer tank, but he never actually implemented. And to complete it, at night you chase them back in the barn so they don't forget where they live. All of this would be a holding operation, avoiding the immediate loss of the herd. In the winter, if they lay down of frozen ground, that will risk terminating the animal as a milk producer.

Whether the above would be practical for the guy with thousands of cows, I don't know. But most of the big producers can probably be self sufficient for a couple of weeks.

Bears and wolves?? Only in your imagination.

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 3:15 PM  

Sorry VD cant help myself, I'm weak....

@141

The Vendee was a region in revolt against the revolution. Not at all the same as civil disorder.

It is applicable. Urban areas are leftist strong holds there will be attempts by both sides to purge the other and that will only be intensified by civil disorder.

A leftist urban string hold sees the local rural outlands as a threat or as a resource to control there will be no hesitation at exterminating the current population except for those that may be needed by the machine.
You could easily have this sort of thing happen in California where the left right difference is extreme with little gradation.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 24, 2017 3:28 PM  

An abandoned laptop was found in the capitol area in DC that is part of the Arwan investigation. Debbie Wasserman-Shultz claims it is hers. She wants it back. Now. She wants it back bad enough to threaten the Capitol police chief in a Congressional hearing. Wonder why she wants it back so bad?

Anonymous CloseHauled May 24, 2017 3:32 PM  

Comey and his love of Howdy Doody and Epstein Island do not seem so far fetched anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWdTXTyyD04

Blogger dc.sunsets May 24, 2017 3:37 PM  

A British Friend wrote:dc @17,

That whole comment of yours is a real eye-opener. I hope you don't mind me quoting it elsewhere.


I don't mind, as I just largely plagiarize others in the first place. I do not consider myself an original thinker. Truly we DO stand on the shoulders of giants.

I enjoy places like Vox Popoli because it's like a large dialogue with bright people. I examine the puzzle pieces for those that fit in my larger picture, sometimes discarding entire sections of it when someone's superior insight compels it, other times just building out the edges.

I comment looking for (polite) criticism or notice that others think I'm on the right track. It's an entirely self-interested endeavor for me, seeking a higher level of understanding (for what purpose is a good question.)

I also find the humor here often laugh-out-loud funny.

But my situation humbles me. I'm unemployed, too old to get a decent job, too young to retire and too scared to open a business (and create my own work.) So I'm heading back to installing a new kitchen floor.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 24, 2017 3:39 PM  

@144
Sorry VD cant help myself, I'm weak....

@141
The Vendee was a region in revolt against the revolution. Not at all the same as civil disorder.

Grayman
It is applicable. Urban areas are leftist strong holds there will be attempts by both sides to purge the other and that will only be intensified by civil disorder.

No, it is not applicable. The French Revolutionary army was well supplied from other regions in France when it marched into the Vendee. It was a trained army with combat experience. The Vendeeards were mostly peasants with the little experience they had gained fighting small Revolutionary units. The remaining aristocrats and the Catholic rural people had common cause to resist the Revolution, while the army of the Revolution had orders to put down the Vendee counter-revolt using any force required.

The army of the Revolution brought food with it. It could call on other parts of France to supply it. That army could retreat, regroup and return. Supplies of weapons and powder were not plentiful for the Vendeeards, either.

In the civil disorder scenario urbanites with little to no training or organization with no resupply from any other part of the country will be pitted against suburbanites and ruralites with the same problems. Nobody will be following orders from someone else, there won't be any religious oppression issues, it will be more like Mob A vs. Mob B.

Do you see the difference? The Vendee was a particular situation in a specific time and place, it has no application to 2017. Trying to cram Current Year into an event over 200 years in the past is dumb.

A more accurate model would be Sarajevo in the 1990's. Or New Orleans after Katrina, only minus any outside help.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 24, 2017 3:42 PM  

All of that assumes the dairy farmer does nothing. First of all, most likely he has considerable hay and or silage on hand. Even modern giant farms don't really gain anything by putting off feed purchases. Storage is cheap, and after haying season, prices only go up. So he'll have weeks or even months to come up with a strategy. Feed will be available, although it may have to be transported. It's certainly not stored in the cities, where the rioting and chaos will be. Few rampaging mobs of urban foragers are going to steal hundreds of tons of alfalfa.

The dairyman will keep milking as long as he can. He's likely got a big generator, because line power is often unreliable in the countryside. If he thinks it's a temporary interruption, he'll keep milking even if he has to pour the milk out on his fields as fertilizer. He's got to keep the milk flowing to jump back into the market when it re-opens. If he doesn't anticipate the market being re-established, or if he sees the feed stock disappearing, he'll dry off the cows. Full stop. Dry milch cows don't need supplements, don't need grain, don't need nearly as much minerals. By drying them off, he protects his investment and his breeding program.

The real sticking point is money. Most big farmers are in hock up to their cow's eyeballs, and a couple of missed payments, due to civil disturbance means the sheriff is selling everything at auction.

To whom?

To whomever will buy. Small holders, meat packers, little producers who want to get bigger.

So, no, you won't have millions of cows suddenly dying in the abandoned barns of middle America. You will have a wave of bankruptcies, higher milk prices, and redistribution of productive assets.

If we're lucky, we'll see the suffocating regulation of dairy production relaxed, allowing small producers with 10 or 12 cows to sell their milk, and the breakup of the economically and environmentally disastrous industrial dairy farms. One can hope.

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis May 24, 2017 3:43 PM  

Regarding a social order breakdown -- the military DOES have plans for that. Yes they will deploy to protect and enable the supply chains: getting gasoline and diesel and fertilizer and pesticide to the farms, running convoy duty for trucks on the interstates, for trains, guarding warehouses, so on and so forth. Most of the country will be fine, and so will the outer rings of suburbs of big cities. The inner cities not so much - I suspect the military itself will blockade those off and let them starve.

Also remember most US cities are not like New York city. They are not anywhere close to being as large or useless.

Blogger Elder Son May 24, 2017 3:56 PM  

This isn't draining the swamp. It is plucking a few amoebas out of it.

The Deep State will still remain. As is evident of the 350 Billion arms package to Saudi Wahhabi Arabia. Ya know, for the greater Saudi Wahhabi Arabia Middle East/Persia.

Anyhow, we'll see in the next 4 years how many actually are put behind bars. Otherwise, it is all just entertainment and distractions. Which is actually part of the Deep States goal. Entertaining the plebes. Nothing to see over here, said the devil.

Anonymous BBGKB May 24, 2017 4:01 PM  

If food delivery stops suddenly there is at most two weeks of food in a typical American city

More like 3 days thanks to JustInTime deliveries.

A few well placed bullets by gangs or provocateurs and you have military vs urban ferals and it looks like Mogadishu

In Katrina gangbangers shot at medivac helicopters but afterwards family members of a 600lbs+ groid ,that needed machines to live,sued a hospital for not evacuating him before 600lbs of babies.

All organization in cities is done by paid professionals. And with that, it's had to keep any "community groups" functioning

Over 1/3 of NO cops abandoned their posts during Katrina, while rural people helped each other out. I have seen the costs for gay "charities" with people getting paid more than their full time jobs for less than 4 hours a month of "charity work"

Even the best prepared in rural areas face long odds.

Mormons are commanded by god to store at least 1 year of storage food. Another reason for jews to hate them they can't be holodomored http://www.thefoodguys.com/foodcalc.html

There is a small subset of people that will absolutely revel in this opportunity, whether as payback or simply out of lust for combat

Make sure you paid cash for your folding oceangoing kayak

ticking off on your mental list which racks you'd clear at gunpoint into your stolen rental truck?...Or am I the crazy one?

You should have everything you need to ride out a die off ahead of time because SHTF day at warehouse stores will be worse than black Friday.

. Nobody has a root cellar any more Its not that hard to build one

I don't mean cities automatically win. But history says they do most of the time.

Argentina, Bosnia, and current Venezuela is the history you should be looking at as best case for DieVerse Cities, hint its not good. Selco survived the Balkans & Ferfal argentina
http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/selco-on-collapse-survival-nature-is-brutal-everyones-life-is-in-danger_12132013
http://www.themodernsurvivalist.com/archives/5104

Hit those places first because the perscription meds and gasoline/diesel are going to be worth more than all those 50 lb bags of rice you plan on pilfering

If you can't get your own stock of prescription meds you could do like some preppers and get fish meds for SHTF. Ethanol gas doesn't last long & you can store diesel with preservatives.

Water can usually be done with a yea old cow water tank, if you can find a way to get water into it

Lots of offgrid water plans here https://www.youtube.com/user/engineer775

But my situation humbles me. I'm unemployed, too old to get a decent job, too young to retire and too scared to open a business

Sue a moslem bakery for not baking a gay cake.

Anonymous Azimus May 24, 2017 4:13 PM  

37. Cail Corishev May 24, 2017 9:59 AM
Even when Comey supposedly reopened the email scandal a week before the election, that was a pro-Hillary move.


If you're right, that was an epically stupid move that flies in the face of all election wisdom. It's like the October surprise in reverse - even if Comey publically and loudly clears Hillary again, there is a large % of people that never hear the 2nd half of the message. The October surprise strategy depends on this. Maybe they thought they could beat the political law because internet? Don't know. I haven't heard a convincing argument yet for why this is anything but a betrayal if he was a lapdog of the Clintons. With the information out there, it is an irrational act if the lapdog angle is true.

Anonymous Sam the Man May 24, 2017 4:18 PM  

Every thing I have to say is about a half decade out of date, but here goes:

1) There will not be rampaging hordes of city dwellers coming out of the city, that is what the police, National Guard and various deployable army units are for. They will impose order on the slums very quickly. The worst you might have is a dangerous area in and around the slums.

2) There is an emergency management plan in place for evry state, and in the Cosplan is a lot of attention to disorder and how to nip it in the bud.

As proof of such, consider the outcome after Hurricane Sandy in late 2012. That did 75 Billion in damage, eliminated power from around 7.2 million folks in the PA, NJ, NY and CT area for up to 2 weeks (though the initial numbers dropped to 6 million in 2 days and down to 1.5 million in 6 days. Around 160 were killed in those states in the storm.

Guess what: The National Guard deployed and while there was some significant numbers of petty crime, there was no massive riots or brown swarm coming out of the cities. Nope, folks pulled together and fixed things up. Now the damage was severe, some of my friends were deployed for up to 90 days in rescue/safe-guarding missions and guess what, the NYNG was deployed without arms (for the most part). A few of my buddies were near shootings where the porch monkeys were off their porches, but no one was hit. The EMS crews were left alone and the emergency generators at the hospitals and TOCs worked. In NY not even 65% of the available DMNA resources were deployed, they actually had time to try to prioritize mobilizing folks who were unemployed to manage the relief centers/relief work.

Where I lives in PA,, just 30 miles north of Philly it was a mess and was a mess all the way in all directions. No looting, no cars full of desperados just folks tying to help each other. I set up generators in doctors offices 6 days out, so that folks could get back in and get their meds from the doctors, I was not unique I was one of many doing this.

Now things might be different if the super volcano at Yellowstone goes off or if Godzilla wakes up and comes to NYC as shown in the 1998 movie. But the folk thinking it is going to be like the walking dead are missing the following:

1) The productive folks have reasons to come together and fix things, fast.

2) There is more redundancy in the system than folks imagine, especially if the disaster is restricted to a 5 or less state event. Sandy hit 15 states, 7~8 of them seriously. Resources swept in from unaffected areas to help.

3) The useless eaters are just that useless, they have no initiative at all. Look at Katrina, they sat and did nothing. By the time they get off their butts it will be too late and they will die.

4) Every State DMNA has a Cosplan to deal with such problems, with across state lines personal/equipment lending agreements and support of FEMA/US military. The bad areas are marked for control. If the critters were organized they could overwhelm such, they are not and cannot. They are afraid of coming out.

Something to ponder, while you collect your cases of .223 and 5 year supply of rice and beans.

Blogger dienw May 24, 2017 4:25 PM  

If cut off from food, cities will not likely starve, they will conquer.
That would assume they have the means and motivation with which to conquer​
Cities aren't what they once were. The populations held within aren't soldiers as in history of time past.
Fighting mob style as antifa do is easy in close streets. But in the woods, hills and swamps? They'd be useless against hunters and other native residents.


Mayors and police chiefs get ordered by ruling elites to recruit and arm police auxiliaries from population and invade countryside: the city will be fed.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 24, 2017 4:29 PM  

Elder Son wrote:This isn't draining the swamp. It is plucking a few amoebas out of it.
The cabal of Clinton insiders at the FBI are the logjam that keeps the swamp from draining. Comey is the one timber that was keeping the logjam from breaking up. With Comey out of the way, and his records/papers/recordings available to investigators, the DOJ can root out the problem elements. If the FBI can be cleaned up, they can be deployed against the Clinton Foundation, the Soros NGOs and the deep state.

Comey was the lynchpin.

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 4:50 PM  

@148

Agreed. I took DC's reference to france and ran with vendee.
I agree that Sarajevo, Bosnia and Rwanda are all more likely to be accurate models. Its not mine, but there I have used the comment: we may see Bosnia x Rwanda.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 24, 2017 4:52 PM  

Dudes. The whole reason for prepping is so you don't have to resort to doing something nutty like raiding Costco when WROL hits, because that's where the savages are going to be ripping each other to pieces.

And if you had advance knowledge of when WROL was going to hit, you could get more supplies with less risk by just maxing out your credit cards.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 24, 2017 4:53 PM  

"Comey was the lynchpin."

Or the drain plug, if you prefer.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 24, 2017 5:06 PM  

It's like the October surprise in reverse - even if Comey publically and loudly clears Hillary again, there is a large % of people that never hear the 2nd half of the message.

I'm not saying he orchestrated the whole thing from start to finish. The Weiner emails came to light through a separate investigation, and that kicked off speculation that they would shed more light on the Clinton emails, or at least confirm that Wikileaks hadn't invented or altered them. Remember, too, the rumors that the NYPD wanted to push ahead with some kind of investigation at the time.

Then Comey stepped up and said, "Relax, everybody, we got this," and a couple days later he gave his "nothing new found" report that was reported as a clean bill of health for Clinton. In the meantime, it took the sails out of the growing accusations, because everyone figured it would be more convincing if it came from Obama's FBI. Some people who had been pushing Pizzagate on social media eased up, thinking it would be better to have people hear it from the "proper authorities" than social media rumor mongers.

It wasn't an ideal cover-up, but a pretend investigation and closure was better for the Democrats than letting the Weiner/Clinton/Podesta questions just hang around unaddressed through the election.

This reminded me of something else from those days: remember the rumors that lower-level investigators at the FBI pressured Comey into reopening it against his will, by threatening to go public? I never really bought that, but in light of his firing, who knows, maybe there was something to it.

Anonymous BBGKB May 24, 2017 5:11 PM  

Mayors and police chiefs get ordered by ruling elites to recruit and arm police auxiliaries from population and invade countryside: the city will be fed

Mayor Didndu the bridges are out & people are leaving bottles of rum with hemlock in them for the auxiliaries!!!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 24, 2017 5:31 PM  

Noah B The Savage Gardener wrote:Or the drain plug, if you prefer.
I was gonna use that, but it's just too mixed a metaphor, even for me.

More like Comey was the alligator sitting on the drainplug.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd May 24, 2017 6:06 PM  

L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright wrote:I am trying to imagine being in President Trump's shoes. You want to do a good job. You're accused of talking to Russia. You know you didn't do it. Russia knows you didn't do it. But it keeps getting in the way of getting work done.

If President Trump is not talking with Russia, I shall be very upset with him. He has a job to do, and that's part of it.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 24, 2017 6:16 PM  

@155
Mayors and police chiefs get ordered by ruling elites to recruit and arm police auxiliaries from population and invade countryside: the city will be fed.



What happens when a lot of cops just can't be found to carry out this order? Worse yet, what happens when that 1 / 10th of 1% of cops decide to fire their bosses?

What happens when the cops form their own gang in alliance with the sheriff's deputies?

This discussion is kinda retarded.

Blogger Gospace May 24, 2017 6:20 PM  

One other thing on food. From what I've seen, most city dwellers have 24-48 hours of food in their home/apartment. Most suburban people a week's worth or so. From what's in my pantry my family could eat well balanced meals for 2 weeks, and starch heavy diet for another 4. And we don't have a lot compared to others. Gas for the generator would be the sticking point. But I wouldn't run it 24/7. Enough to keep the fridge and freezer cold, and water running for daily showers.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents May 24, 2017 6:24 PM  

Comey's just the big alligator sitting in the swamp in the way of getting to the smaller gators. Now that he's gone it ought to be gigging time.

How to have fun with libtards: gently ping on them to see whether they are a 2016 Comey-cost-the-election hater or a 2017 Comey-is-a-martyr. Then quote libtard talking points on the opposite site. See how splodey you can make them.

"OMG I can't believe Trump fired Comey! Russians! gah!"
"Well, isn't it about time since Comey cost Hillary the election?"

Anonymous A.B. Prosper May 24, 2017 6:52 PM  

As to Comey, I always got the impression he's out for his career, playing both ends against the middle and switching sides as appropriate under the guise of civic nationalism

Don't think its working well against Trump though who seems to value loyalty above all else.

Now off topic. I don't think it would be very easy for the die-versity to use BBGKB's excellent term to take over the farms or force the entire brittle supply chain to work against any serious opposition . They don't govern well

If we get to the political state where Holodomor is an consider acceptable, we won't be able to calm anything down easily anyway and opposition will be fierce

Also some inspirational music Rhododendron Honey by Leslie Fish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPNv5e9Cu6w

Anonymous Steve May 24, 2017 8:00 PM  

Its hard to imagine Comey being in Clinton pocket and doing what he did .. a week before the election and he pushed it to Trump...i dont know what heck his deal was but its not for clinton.. mostly his own side.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 24, 2017 8:13 PM  

Its hard to imagine Comey being in Clinton pocket and doing what he did .. a week before the election

Then you should read the comment 8 ahead of yours, where I explained how it was a way to smooth over the Weiner/Clinton email thing as quickly as possible, so it wouldn't drag out through the election. Doesn't take much imagination at all, just some logic.

Also, you may recall (or you can go back and look) that the media universally portrayed Comey's "reopening" the case as a dirty trick by a Trump supporting Republican, with Clinton (and the democratic process) as an innocent victim. It's hardly clear that it was good for Trump, even before Comey dropped the other shoe by claiming they found nothing new.

Blogger JWM in SD May 24, 2017 8:21 PM  

"Its hard to imagine Comey being in Clinton pocket and doing what he did .. a week before the election"

Another theory I heard was it was done to "normalize" the polls that had Hitlery too far ahead to be realistic. I'm not sure I buy that but I've heard it more than once.

Anonymous Azimus May 24, 2017 9:04 PM  

160. Cail Corishev:
It wasn't an ideal cover-up, but a pretend investigation and closure was better for the Democrats than letting the Weiner/Clinton/Podesta questions just hang around unaddressed through the election.


I will say this much - you have a more coherent theory than I do. And the dems are pretty stupid... or at least, have far too much faith in their status as untouchable...

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 24, 2017 9:04 PM  

Glenn, you really should go talk to Correct The Record or Brock's shilling organization. They pay for this stuff.

Oh, wait, they probably have quality standards.

Never mind

Anonymous Azimus May 24, 2017 9:13 PM  

171. Glenn Donovan May 24, 2017 8:55 PM
Among other things, he led the prosecution of the Gambino crime family.


What a fellow you are. Wikipedia says the following about James Comey and "leading the prosecution of the Gambino crime family":

"Comey is an accomplished career public servant who helped prosecute the Gambino crime family"

I add that the Washington Post article from 2013 that wikipedia cites uses the exact same language - in the same sentence where it lists his "other accomplishments" - prosecuting Martha Stewart... well done James Comey!

Substituting the word "led" for the word "helped" is called lying. You have lost all credibility - and to think that was the purpose of your rant? You astonish me sir...


Blogger Mountain Man May 24, 2017 9:14 PM  

.... Enough to keep the fridge and freezer cold, and water running for daily showers.

If you live in a rural area and have access to a spring on your property ;hire a plumber with an excavator and hook it up to your main water line. Equip the line with a shut off valve so that it can be turned off when not needed. Lose electricity - flip the valve on - . Voila ..fresh water.
Cap the spring with a small concrete foundation..cover with a screened
A - frame “house” with a small door at one end. Due to the affects of the spring water it will remain an ambient temperature of around 35 in the winter and 45 in the summer. If it gets really hot - just place the most perishable items inside a plastic bucket and leave within the spring water itself. The food will last as long as if you had refrigeration.

Blogger Mountain Man May 24, 2017 9:22 PM  

@104

Can Confirm.......Based upon a recent conversation with someone I know who has regular communication with both the Emperor and his assistant.
The Emperor is very aware of the evil ! He’s also definitely not part of the club.
The next year is going to be very interesting !

Blogger Mountain Man May 24, 2017 9:29 PM  

"If we're lucky, we'll see the suffocating regulation of dairy production relaxed, allowing small producers with 10 or 12 cows to sell their milk, and the breakup of the economically and environmentally disastrous industrial dairy farms. One can hope.”


Amen to that.
I still think the Emperor should have offered Dept. of Ag. position to Joel Salatin.

Anonymous Marvin Boggs May 24, 2017 9:49 PM  

@84: Thanks for the link, I think (did nothing to improve my blood pressure).

When I see stories like that, I am [still] surprised that no one has [lost his mind | come to his senses] and started hunting these cretins.

Anonymous Avalanche May 24, 2017 9:57 PM  

@142 " those 50 lb bags of rice you plan on pilfering."

Rice, hell! I'm going for the canned meats and veg! (Already have (bought!) some 35 cans of the good tuna! Protein powder. (And coffee, lots of coffee!) Paper towels, toilet paper -- and clear out the pharmacy!

(Oh, er... not that I have EVER been thinking about this...)

Anonymous Avalanche May 24, 2017 10:03 PM  

@143 Wow, definitely a farm boy! Cool info.

However,
"Bears and wolves?? Only in your imagination. "

In Washington and Oregon, I doubt it's imagination... We had a black bear in our suburban cul de sac! (It was blackberry season and they'd come down to gorge...)

Anonymous Avalanche May 24, 2017 10:21 PM  

@152 "Water can usually be done with a yea old cow water tank, if you can find a way to get water into it"

Found a cool thing -- if you can see the S. coming for The Fan -- called a Water Bob. It's a plastic water container that fills your bathtub (on a ground floor, I would assume!) It is valved for, and made out of safe plastic for, potable water. Drop it in the tub, fill it, and it's some 100 gallons. (Neighbor/tribe member and I went in on a two-set,s o we each have one.

Anonymous Luke May 24, 2017 10:48 PM  

117. Avalanche May 24, 2017 1:52 PM
@16 "accidents” for the high level perps (heart attack for HRC, a few car accidents for others etc.) involved in the insipid corruption and lawlessness with a message to the lower levels, step back in line or else"

"You mean, we / Trump/ America has to BECOME Clintons to 'get' Clintons?! We should get AS corrupt and murderous -- clandestinely, of course -- as they have been? So, um, DO massive evil to STOP massive evil?!"

1) It's not evil if done in self-defense of family, race, and Western civilization.

2) No, we'll need to become harsher than anything the Left has done. We don't need an eternal stalemate. We need a decisive victory. Think of the ending of "Ender's Game" or "Independence Day" for an idea of how complete a victory we need.

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 11:07 PM  

I'm in the northeast and my town had a black bear who was health and very large take a donkey and a few goats from local farms..... the hunters took care of that, but the big ones are to be watched carefully.

Anonymous Mr. Rational May 24, 2017 11:19 PM  

Ransom Smith wrote:Fighting mob style as antifa do is easy in close streets. But in the woods, hills and swamps? They'd be useless against hunters and other native residents.
Correctamundo.  A couple years ago a major storm blew through here and brought a lot of trees down.  Some roads were still closed a couple of days later.  Power was out for considerably longer.

I've looked around at the roads and everything else and considered what would happen if the trees were sabotaged, some of the fallen ones booby-trapped, others protected by snipers.  If the power lines into the city were cut and towers downed to prevent reconnection.  If fires were started under strategic bridges to take out the main roads.  If natural gas lines were cut off by the simple expedient of turning off compressors and valves.  If water pumping stations were shut off.

City people don't think this way (I was one).  They wouldn't think to protect their essential resource corridors until they weren't there any more, and by then it would be too late.  They'd be fighting against slick woodsmen who strike at their repair crews and vanish while they were out of heat and potable water and rapidly running out of food and motor fuel.

Rifles make all the difference.  Any city that tolerated Antifa could be cut off to die a horrible death.  I can imagine shitlib cities suffering 80% casualties.  A counter-left force which kept lists of pols, academics, lawyers and other Marxist agents could probably get 95% of them before the dust settled.  If they got resistance moving into urban territory they could just burn it.  Without fuel, electricity or water, how would the city fight fires?  The whole place might burn down before the counter-left could even get there.

Anonymous Grayman May 24, 2017 11:25 PM  

If we are prepping, don't forget the mini still. Moonshinin will keep you very friendly with the locals and has a number of other uses!

Mr rational
Let's also step back and be rational. It's in everyone's interest to ensure nuke power plants are not disrupted, or we all have a very bad day.... that's a serious concern.

I see you found hurricane Sandy educational. I did as well....

Blogger Happy LP9 May 24, 2017 11:42 PM  

Wow, Dr. Pournelle like the outstanding staff/writers at Castalia House just garner so mush respect and attention.

Similar Rinso Preibus, I began following or noting this unknown Comey guy in 2005, I am aware of both parties (both person) misdealings (corruption). But I said nothing as I had no real proof just some contacts at the CDC in DC and in banking.

I thought by late 2016 into early 2017 Comey needed to go.

The Russian non narrative all failed even the left (this week) is (warning) telling its worshipers to stop thinking POTUS will be impeached.

POTUS Trump stands tall!

Blogger Happy LP9 May 24, 2017 11:43 PM  

Edit; Mush; Much respect.

Blogger ViciousCreep May 25, 2017 12:09 AM  

@151 I see Trump was quite amiable with the Saudis, a key engine of Islam's efforts to undermine western civilization. He took part in the inauguration of a "counter-radicalization" institute whose leader was an executive of one of the larger financiers of radical Islamism.

If Trump recognized the nature of the message the Saudis sent to their people, he gave no sign of it. I'm sure Trump knows the Saudi Kingdom is dangerous. (Unlike Justin "Trudeau" Castro). Nevertheless, the question raised in my mind is whether he see Jihad as violent threat for our times or as an eschtatological project. The saudis certainly understand this distinction.

Religions are organisms which are by nature resistant to human understanding and the operate on a scale incommensurable with human design. It is a nice thing for him to speak of eradicating Islamic terrorism in our lifetime, but I sincerely hope he doesn't really believe it.

@52 Grayman, On the subject of unfamiliarity of what is entailed by war...

Many people talk of rebellion against tyrants as though it would emerge from a sort of democratic consensus. Not many consider the likelihood that civil war can emerge precisely from the impossibility of such consensus.

Blogger Gospace May 25, 2017 1:39 AM  

Mountain Man May 24, 2017 9:14 PM
.... Enough to keep the fridge and freezer cold, and water running for daily showers.

If you live in a rural area and have access to a spring on your property ;hire a plumber with an excavator and hook it up to your main water line. Equip the line with a shut off valve so that it can be turned off when not needed. Lose electricity - flip the valve on - . Voila ..fresh water.
Cap the spring with a small concrete foundation..cover with a screened
A - frame “house” with a small door at one end. Due to the affects of the spring water it will remain an ambient temperature of around 35 in the winter and 45 in the summer.


Good idea if you have a spring or a water source ABOVE your house in elevation. Mine's a 15 foot dug well 500 feet from the house and 70 foot below in elevation. But, I do note in summer that after travelling to the house it's still only at bout 45-50 degrees. I've been meaning to build a new well house because getting into the existing one is hell on my back when the pump needs replacing. And the idea of prepping it as cold storage makes a lot of sense. As does the idea I've been toying with of putting an old fashioned hand powered piston pump down there. Just in case.

Blogger VD May 25, 2017 7:21 AM  

You're not allowed to comment here, "Glenn Donovan". Stop trying to do so.

Blogger dc.sunsets May 25, 2017 9:47 AM  

And if you had advance knowledge of when WROL was going to hit, you could get more supplies with less risk by just maxing out your credit cards.

There is no such thing as "advance knowledge."

Look at the subject of the OP;

I concur that Comey's actions last year were intended to get Anthony's Weiner off the front page and let Team Clinton get on with The Win.

Social forecasting is impossible if your goal is to know in advance which way the frog will jump.

The only utility I see (or hope for?) is the grasp of what is POSSIBLE when trends change.

For example, people go to war when social mood (measured easily by stock indexes) has declined significantly in time and amplitude. There won't be a Zombie Apocalypse anywhere near DJIA 20,000. It's simply not likely enough to worry about.

OTOH, should we see a significant washout, the odds of a widespread dislocation rise rapidly. A 90%+ decline in the DJIA will all but certainly set off a major war, either Red vs Blue or r vs K or Left vs Right (or take your pick.) Dictatorship is all but assured when AHBL. (All Hell Breaks Loose.) [My guess is that due to alternation, any "Holodomore" occurring in North America will land on the Left & its totems.]

We don't know WHEN something will happen, but we know what preconditions are necessary for different social outcomes. Right now, all signs point to CONTINUATION. We remain IN TREND, even though signs of POTENTIAL trend change have accumulated. The longer a trend remains in place, the more future chaos is embedded. [If a decline is long and deep enough, the same occurs; conditions favoring extreme cooperation, honor and hard work grow and grow, until the social mood uptrend begins and those conditions are leveraged to see a massive increase in well-being.]

If I had a dollar for every time I thought that potential trend change was guaranteed to turn REAL, I'd own my own Caribbean island.

It's always tempting, after watching someone flip heads 99 times in a row, to bet the farm on the next flip being tails. The trend, no matter how insanely extended, can enter a cusp of potential reversal and exit it in the same direction. That's the lesson of the last 22 years.

Mel Tappan died in the 1970's. The USSR outlived Mises. Trends that can't go on forever sometimes continue long enough that it might as well be forever from the standpoint of a single individual.

Anonymous Mr. Rational May 25, 2017 11:19 AM  

@184  This was just a line of severe thunderstorms.  I think we may still have dunes of wood chips left over from it, 2 years later; I'll have to look.

Come to think of it, a generator that ran on wood chips (especially wet wood chips) would be a mighty handy thing to have around here.  Never have a shortage of fuel for it....

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